Police crackdown on unsafe helmets

[admenk]

Hey folks, apologies if this link has been posted elsewhere:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/74323844/Police-crack-down-on-unsafe-helmets

just so you know ;)

[rastuscat]

$10 head $10 helmet. Just sayin.

[Motu]

I have a $10 head - it goes with my $10 jacket, gloves, boots and trou....and compliments my $10 motorcycle. You don't have to buy into the expensive logo to be safe.

Back when helemts first came in the cops loved to check our helmets. We got stopped one day, I was pillion with a crate on beer on my lap, and the cop started going on at my mate for his cheap and nasty ''unsafe'' helmet - it was actually exactly the same as the white helmet the cop was wearing, just painted matt black. They don'y know shit.

[admenk]

The question is, is this campaign about safety or revenue? :innocent:

[rastuscat]

The question is, is this campaign about safety or revenue? :innocent:

For Fuchs sake.

The revenue argument is so fucking naff.

If it was about revenue the quickest way to make the dosh is to stake out a junction and tag anyone who doesn't indicate.

Helmet enforcement doesn't cut it for revenue. It's to meet some well meaning, corporate goal.

If everyone wore decent helmets there'd be no need for it.

Grrrrrrrr.

[Scuba_Steve]

The question is, is this campaign about safety or revenue? :innocent:

why the answer's right there in the post

"Keen said it was more about educating riders than punishing them for minor infringements.
...
Police will be on the look out for motorcyclists and will be checking licences, gear and registration between November 20 and December 20."

it's about $aftey

[admenk]

why the answer's right there in the post

"Keen said it was more about educating riders than punishing them for minor infringements.
...
Police will be on the look out for motorcyclists and will be checking licences, gear and registration between November 20 and December 20."

it's about $aftey

Have to admit, that thought crossed my mind as well. Maybe i'm just an old cynic.

[Scuba_Steve]

For Fuchs sake.

The revenue argument is so fucking naff.

If it was about revenue the quickest way to make the dosh is to stake out a junction and tag anyone who doesn't indicate.

Helmet enforcement doesn't cut it for revenue. It's to meet some well meaning, corporate goal.

If everyone wore decent helmets there'd be no need for it.

Grrrrrrrr.

People should have the choice to wear helmets or not, aint gonna hurt you if they don't...
also why would you think the avg popo would know shit all to anything about helmets??? Sure they can look for stickers but past that I wouldn't trust them to hold my helmet let alone know if it was safe; so really once they see a label like Shoei, Arai, HJC, etc etc they should just wave through... you know if this were really bout helmet safety

[scumdog]

People should have the choice to wear helmets or not, aint gonna hurt you if they don't...
also why would you think the avg popo would know shit all to anything about helmets??? Sure they can look for stickers but past that I wouldn't trust them to hold my helmet let alone know if it was safe; so really once they see a label like Shoei, Arai, HJC, etc etc they should just wave through... you know if this were really bout helmet safety

Classic KB whinger......:rolleyes:

[nzspokes]

People should have the choice to wear helmets or not, aint gonna hurt you if they don't...
also why would you think the avg popo would know shit all to anything about helmets??? Sure they can look for stickers but past that I wouldn't trust them to hold my helmet let alone know if it was safe; so really once they see a label like Shoei, Arai, HJC, etc etc they should just wave through... you know if this were really bout helmet safety

Fucked if Im going to let a police officer muck about with my helmet. So I agree.

If they drop it who will end up paying for it?

[Rhys]

For Fuchs sake.

The revenue argument is so fucking naff.

If it was about revenue the quickest way to make the dosh is to stake out a junction and tag anyone who doesn't indicate.

Helmet enforcement doesn't cut it for revenue. It's to meet some well meaning, corporate goal.

If everyone wore decent helmets there'd be no need for it.

Grrrrrrrr.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/73911406/lower-hutt-police-to-crack-down-on-drivers-who-fail-to-signal-at-roundabouts

[Ender EnZed]

I'm fairly sure this article is just a rephrasing of the standard summer campaign they've run for the past few years.

Call me cynical, but I don't recall hearing about this sort of thing in national news before demerit points were added to riding a bike with the rego on hold.

[nzspokes]

For Fuchs sake.

The revenue argument is so fucking naff.

If it was about revenue the quickest way to make the dosh is to stake out a junction and tag anyone who doesn't indicate.

Helmet enforcement doesn't cut it for revenue. It's to meet some well meaning, corporate goal.

If everyone wore decent helmets there'd be no need for it.

Grrrrrrrr.

So how many riders have died due to unsafe helmets?

[Nurse Ratched]

I didn't realise how unsafe my previous helmets were until I bought my latest. Had it fitted properly by the retailer and it was scary to think that I'd been riding around with what were effectively useless bits of tin on my head. The first helmets were gifts and I knew squat about fit...thought I was ok simply because I had a helmet on.
Lesson learned ...so I say good on the cops for doing checks if they can find fools like me and save a life.

[admenk]

The question is, is this campaign about safety or revenue? :innocent:

Apparently i'm red repped and a homo for asking this :buggerd:

[tigertim20]

sounds like a reasonable initiative if its really about safety and education. but i suppose theyll still do all the other checks - licence rego etc etc anyway . . .:tugger:

what guidelines are these popo using to deteine between a good helmet and a shit one though? surely half the fore have never had to wear one so what the fuck would they know?

the comment All helmets have to comply to New Zealand safety standards but just because they have safety sticker doesn't mean they are safe says it all really. if thats the case, then wouldnt they be better off making legislative changes to the minimum standards of helmet that can legally be sold in NZ in the first place?

[Moise]

Nice idea but ... What does the average cop know about helmets? How will they know if it's unsafe?

In reality, its probably just another excuse to harass gang members.

[Mike.Gayner]

Good thing all the real crime has been resolved so they can put all their effort on this stuff.

[Racing Dave]

People should have the choice to wear helmets or not, aint gonna hurt you if they don't...

You do have a choice, no-one can make you wear a helmet. Just be prepared to suck up the consequences - either financially when you get a ticket, or physically when you bang your silly head on the ground.

[Berries]

There are so many serious crashes where people don't even have a helmet on, a quick blat around the campsite on a mates MX bike or trip around the block after a couple of beers on a nice summers evening. You won't catch those people until they smack their head against a tree or a kerb and then Darwin takes over.

I see plenty of riders with WW2 style helmets. Some might be motorbike helmets although I suspect most are actually WW2 helmets and will offer fuck all protection when you bounce down the road. If you have any kind of full face helmet on I am guessing you will be left alone, just look at the photo on the link.

Luckily after the 20th of next month I can get my pith helmet on again for the summer according to the report.

[Waihou Thumper]

What are your rights to have the helmet inspected, handled and potentially dropped thus making it no longer fit for purpose?
Can I refuse? Just say " by the way, do you know what EN, ANSI standards or otherwise this meets?"
What do you look for Mr Plod?
Huh? ........I spend time and money to ensure my PPE is safe to use, is fit for purpose and will not hurt me if worn correctly. What do you know? really?....
Just a thought...

[Gremlin]

I think you need to look at the entire range of helmets. Most of us don't wear scratched up tin hats. It sounds like that's what they're after.

If you present with a non-scratched full face / flip face etc, I doubt there will be an issue.

If they dropped my helmet, well, they can pay the replacement cost, cost to transport bike home etc... Yes, the average cop may not know much about helmets, but there are plenty of officers that ride in their own time, without being motorcycle cops.

[rambaldi]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/73911406/lower-hutt-police-to-crack-down-on-drivers-who-fail-to-signal-at-roundabouts

Fucking Mike Noon, you are the fucking AA. If you reckon your members and drivers aren't educated about the road rules pull your thumb out of your arse and do something about it. You have magazines and a bunch of other means at your disposal to educate people, don't bitch and moan that not enough is being done.

[RDJ]

For Fuchs sake. The revenue argument is so fucking naff. If it was about revenue the quickest way to make the dosh is to stake out a junction and tag anyone who doesn't indicate.

I don't believe that assumption is correct. That would only work in the very short term. And even the AA, who are notoriously motorcycle-unfriendly, are "pleading with" (their words) the police to "target high risk activities not the safer motorways" (where people go faster). Last year, 80,000+speeding tickets were issued every month compared to 55,000 per month five years earlier. That increase was despite police(spokespeople) saying that average speeds have fallen. If you reward behaviour you get more of it. If you punish behaviour you get less of it. Punishing people for driving slower seems assbackwards.

[Grubber]

A mate of mine crashed into the front of a car after slipping in some diesel one day. Badly injured he was. When the Police turned up (not Tansport guys) they told him to hide the helmet in the ambulance so the transport guys didn't see it.
It had scratches over it but was intact. He painted it and carried on wearing it again. It was not an approved helmet by the way, hence why he was told to hide it.
He rode with it again even though a couple of us said chuck it and get a decent one. But no, he reckons it was his favourite one.
Guess what, he got snotted by another car some 5 months later and hit his head real bad, helmet disintergrated and he suffered some major trauma to the head.
5 years later he still cant ride and cant remember something that happened yesterday.

Give me a good helmet anyday.

[RDJ]

A mate of mine crashed into the front of a car after slipping in some diesel one day. Badly injured he was. When the Police turned up (not Tansport guys) they told him to hide the helmet in the ambulance so the transport guys didn't see it.
It had scratches over it but was intact. He painted it and carried on wearing it again. It was not an approved helmet by the way, hence why he was told to hide it.
He rode with it again even though a couple of us said chuck it and get a decent one. But no, he reckons it was his favourite one.
Guess what, he got snotted by another car some 5 months later and hit his head real bad, helmet disintergrated and he suffered some major trauma to the head.
5 years later he still cant ride and cant remember something that happened yesterday.

Give me a good helmet anyday.

Yep on the spectrum of minimum protection a helmet comes very high indeed. Much else will heal, or stabilize with time, or can be grafted, or can be artifically replaced, but not the brain. And it doesn't take much at all - remember Indian Larry. In, uh, 38 years (sheesh, had to stop and do the math for a minute there) I've yet to treat a surviving (fullface) helmet wearer whose primary problem was a broken skull or a closed head injury.

[Paulo]

People should have the choice to wear helmets or not, aint gonna hurt you if they don't...
also why would you think the avg popo would know shit all to anything about helmets??? Sure they can look for stickers but past that I wouldn't trust them to hold my helmet let alone know if it was safe; so really once they see a label like Shoei, Arai, HJC, etc etc they should just wave through... you know if this were really bout helmet safety

yeah Nah , I'm not so keen on my taxes paying to keep some brain damaged idiot in care for the rest of his spoon fed life because he was too cool to wear a helmet. Given the junk helmets sold on TM I think a little educations a good thing.

[haydes55]

http://i.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/73378031/Wellington-man-dead-after-motorcycle-crash

He died looking so cool.

[Scuba_Steve]

yeah Nah , I'm not so keen on my taxes paying to keep some brain damaged idiot in care for the rest of his spoon fed life because he was too cool to wear a helmet. Given the junk helmets sold on TM I think a little educations a good thing.

Your taxes are doing that now BECAUSE of helmets; making them optional would potentially see less brain damaged cabbages... cause they'd be dead.
Remember safety devices save people (just not always in good condition)

[F5 Dave]

Complete loser morons aside, ie scuba steve.
Perhaps they should prosecute fools with those come apart 2 piece numbers that ride along with them open so as to make breaking their neck that more likely.

am I my brothers keeper? When he's too stupid to know better, then yes, sadly yes I am.

[jellywrestler]

People should have the choice to wear helmets or not, aint gonna hurt you if they don't...
more head injuries mean more fucking acc levvies on my bike so it does hurt me...

[AllanB]

Fatting around recently I have had several good sized bugs die under force against my visor (full face) each time my inner voice asks how those buggers in open face lids cope (ouch). No helmet. At speed. Fark that mate.

[oneofsix]

Perhaps they should prosecute fools with those come apart 2 piece numbers that ride along with them open



but ... that would be the motorcycle cops :crazy:

[Gremlin]

Fatting around recently I have had several good sized bugs die under force against my visor (full face) each time my inner voice asks how those buggers in open face lids cope (ouch). No helmet. At speed. Fark that mate.
Seeing them in the USA... they park up under overbridges when it's raining. :lol:

I did one ride with no helmet but wore sunnies to see what it was like (fucken weird when you're used to a helmet). Copped a bug to the forehead on the interstate, fuck that hurt :weep:

[AllanB]

am I my brothers keeper? When he's too stupid to know better, then yes, sadly yes I am.

Unfortunately if you pay income tax, then YES you are by way of your taxes contributing to public medical care etc of the stupid. Thus you are welcome to comment.

[mulletman]

In Kaikoura Tues gone and theres a shit load of Greasy Dogs about (didnt know they existed) some had helmets, some had full face with of course no visor, others non descript lids.
Local ? cops didnt seem too interested inspecting their helmets.

[F5 Dave]

but ... that would be the motorcycle cops :crazy:

So you spotted my deliberate hook.

Scooby steve gave me some green rep. Another fan.

[RDJ]

In Kaikoura Tues gone and theres a shit load of Greasy Dogs about (didnt know they existed) some had helmets, some had open face with of course no visor, others non descript lids.
Local ? cops didnt seem too interested inspecting their helmets.

Generally I have noticed in life that the cops are far more focused and enthusiastic about inflicting enforcement on the generally law-abiding middle-class than on the blatantly law-breaking lower class... One can see their point of view, but it doesn't mean we have to to agree with it.

[oneofsix]

So you spotted my deliberate hook.

Scooby steve gave me some green rep. Another fan.
Hard to resist such taste bait [emoji2]

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[Daffyd]

Helmets are compulsory here in the Philippines; they have to be DOT approved. Most riders in Manila wear them, but as you get further out of town you see more and more riders without them. Here, in Batangas City it's about 50/50.

However, the things that get me are, 1) Riders very seldom do up the straps. I dished out a 10 minute lecture to the mid 20's buyer of my daughter's Kawasaki for this very thing. 2) Even worse, every day I see riders with a full face helmet 'perched' on top of their head with the chin bar resting on their forehead. 3) Pillion passengers not wearing them. (I think the law states that riders must but doesn't mention the pillion.)

These three things seem to be quite acceptable to the TP who do nothing about it. Hell, probably half of them don't even wear one.

The law seems to say, "Wear a helmet but you don't have to wear it so that it saves you in a 'bingle'."

I could write a book, (and prolly will) about the traffic here.

[pritch]

$10 head $10 helmet. Just sayin.

The last cop who wanted to look at my helmet had no idea what he was looking at, and he was no junior woodchuck. It was a Shoei in good condition but he couldn't find any certification, but then he didn't know where to look. I would be very reluctant to hand my more expensive lids a klutz like that.

[F5 Dave]

Generally I have noticed in life that the cops are far more focused and enthusiastic about inflicting enforcement on the generally law-abiding middle-class than on the blatantly law-breaking lower class... One can see their point of view, but it doesn't mean we have to to agree with it.
Who would you rather spend your time with?

My wife used to be a bit of a magnet for luggage checks while going through customs. Back when we could afford that lifestyle. . .

[R650R]

Generally I have noticed in life that the cops are far more focused and enthusiastic about inflicting enforcement on the generally law-abiding middle-class than on the blatantly law-breaking lower class... One can see their point of view, but it doesn't mean we have to to agree with it.

I live near a busy intersection and often see people getting pulled over and tickted outside my house. There seems equal road traffic offences across all demographics.

One year I saw a highway patrol on SH2 bravely turn and chase a large pack of one percenters on their way to a major gathering, didn't bother me but they were doing the usual thing of lane splitting at 100k in busy weekend traffic and he or someone else obviously seen it. Anyway he pulled three riders up off the back of the pack and had his ticket book out when I went past in truck.
There's a good meme going around about 'police harrassment' that shows how their just too busy to be picking on any one particular group or individual and its 99% true most of the time. (like any argument you can pick holes in it).

But hey people wearing dodgy looking old cheap helmets.... sounds like your local feral bike theif too. In my view good probably cause for them to stop possibly stolen bikes....
A lot of us got into biking because it was perceived as cheapo transport along with the fun, but at some stage you need to accept your gear is a consumable item.
And if a cop drops your helmet, awesome their going to be buying you a new one just like any other accidental damage case, let your insurance company chase them.

[Jin]

more head injuries mean more fucking acc levvies on my bike so it does hurt me...
On the contrary no helmets could lead to more fatalities which would lower acc leavies.

[tigertim20]

For helmet prices I have noticed a price difference of $900 or more so there must be quite a large difference in the safety of brand new helmets which maybe needs looking into. I am guessing with the very cheapest helmets they would have risk of weakening in sunlight overtime like a plastic bucket.

you should stop guessing and try researching before showing your ignorance.

start by googling sharp.

[DamianW]

The popo might as well ping helmet less and helmet clad cyclists too - for educational purposes, to be sure.

[swbarnett]

more head injuries mean more fucking acc levvies on my bike so it does hurt me...
Your ACC levy is not to pay for others head injuries. It's to pay YOUR freedom to ride, climb, fly or whatever else you feel like doing that gives your life meaning but MIGHT put you at risk of injury.

By your logic the rest of society hurts you just by living.

[F5 Dave]

When I'm in a queue just that thought occurs to me.

[Jin]

Your ACC levy is not to pay for others head injuries. It's to pay YOUR freedom to ride, climb, fly or whatever else you feel like doing that gives your life meaning but MIGHT put you at risk of injury.

By your logic the rest of society hurts you just by living.
Fascinating. Have you told ACC this?

[jellywrestler]

Your ACC levy is not to pay for others head injuries. It's to pay YOUR freedom to ride, climb, fly or whatever else you feel like doing that gives your life meaning but MIGHT put you at risk of injury.

By your logic the rest of society hurts you just by living.

no it's like seat belts, cunts that don't wear them cost society more as it's a proven fact that they save lives, yip, there's been the odd person killed by a seat belt but overall the stats say they save.

they made up the stats for m/c rego via the so called costs of accidents and what it cost per accident etc.
so can you explain how if there's a few more head injury cases which are expensive and can put the average cost up compared to a stubbed toe how this doesn't translate through?

[swbarnett]

it's like seat belts, cunts that don't wear them cost society more as it's a proven fact that they save lives,

It's also a proven fact that if no-one drove then no-one could die in a driving accident.

It's also a proven fact that if no-one climbed Everest then no-one would die on the mountain.

Does this mean that we should outlaw driving or mountain climbing? Of course, not. What ACC is supposed to do is provide a system that enables all of us to partake in the activities that sustain life and those that give our lives meaning.

For some that means riding a motorcycle or climbing a mountain. For some not being constrained by a seat belt or feeling the wind in their hair does it for them.

Who are you or I to tell someone that they must remove some of the joy from their lives just because it hits us a tiny bit more in the back pocket? How would you feel if TPTB decide that motorcycling is just not a necessary part of life?



they made up the stats for m/c rego via the so called costs of accidents and what it cost per accident etc.
so can you explain how if there's a few more head injury cases which are expensive and can put the average cost up compared to a stubbed toe how this doesn't translate through?
So we have to pay a tiny bit more so that someone else can have a life of meaning. As far as I'm concerned it's money well spent. After all the rest of the country is doing that for us.

[swbarnett]

Fascinating. Have you told ACC this?
I hear ya. They have definitely need a nudge in this direction.

[Scuba_Steve]

no it's like seat belts, cunts that don't wear them cost society more as it's a proven fact that they save lives, yip, there's been the odd person killed by a seat belt but overall the stats say they save.

they made up the stats for m/c rego via the so called costs of accidents and what it cost per accident etc.
so can you explain how if there's a few more head injury cases which are expensive and can put the average cost up compared to a stubbed toe how this doesn't translate through?

So what you're saying is we need to ban motorbikes; they're too dangerous burden on tax payers & many lives could be saved if people were protected by a cage

... don't worry they're headed this way, it's only time

[2smokes]

For helmet prices I have noticed a price difference of $900 or more so there must be quite a large difference in the safety of brand new helmets which maybe needs looking into. I am guessing with the very cheapest helmets they would have risk of weakening in sunlight overtime like a plastic bucket.

Cassina, I suspect you have been sent from a galaxy far, far, away. You do not understand human nature. Here is the lesson. A new Corolla costs around $20k. A new RS6 costs around $220k. Is the RS6 $200k safer? No you Muppet, the RS6 owner thinks it's $200k cooler than the Corolla. Same with helmets.
Fuck me sideways.

[Grumph]

In Kaikoura Tues gone and theres a shit load of Greasy Dogs about (didnt know they existed) some had helmets, some had full face with of course no visor, others non descript lids.
Local ? cops didnt seem too interested inspecting their helmets.

word must have got down the line that they were coming....South side of Timaru, there was about 15 police cars and matching personnel lined up for a pullover session. Wife didn't get stopped, saw one bike pulled over. Later saw and heard the mob go through Oamaru.

[Scuba_Steve]

So your belief is a $125 helmet is just as safe as a $1000 one and those that buy the $1000 one just do it for pose value? I feel you are the one off the planet and if you hit your head wearing your cheap helmet your thinking may be different. I have actually looked at some cheap helmets and the build quality is just not there but maybe the cheap cost is more important to you.

All certified helmets have to meet minimum requirements, some might go beyond this but this isn't necessarily what you're paying for when you go more expensive; Usually what you pay for is weight reduction, comfort, features & better tech (which usually leads to 1 & 2)

[2smokes]

So your belief is a $125 helmet is just as safe as a $1000 one and those that buy the $1000 one just do it for pose value? I feel you are the one off the planet and if you hit your head wearing your cheap helmet your thinking may be different. I have actually looked at some cheap helmets and the build quality is just not there but maybe the cheap cost is more important to you.

No you don't get it. Is the Corolla unsafe? No Muppet. It has the same safety rating by the same test organisation as the RS6. Concentrate.
Why isn't there a button on my keyboard that electrocutes people that are a liability to the rest of us.

Lets make it simple for the simple. How much did you pay for your bike? I bet the average person bought their bike because in their mind it was cool. I also bet there is a substantially cheaper bike on the market that will do exactly the same job. Poser value? Maybe, maybe not. I like cool stuff. I'm in a position in my life where I can afford cool stuff.

If you honestly believe a $900 helmet is 3 times better/safer than a $300 helmet, then I can't save you from yourself.

[TLDV8]

The link in the first post has this picture in the news article.

317549

I don't think Arai or Shoei make those sort of helmets which I can only imagine would give little protection in a road accident, perhaps they would offer some resistance in a industrial hard hat dropped from above object type thing or if you were to head butt a lamp post.

Since the thread seems to have derailed quickly, when I was looking for a new off road helmet with a visor it came down to the Arai XD3, Arai have had a good name for a long time so you pay for the extra technology.
It seems I had a $470 dollar head because that is what a brand new XD3 cost from the USA to my door, if I had purchased the same helmet locally it seems my head would have increased in value to $799 so all things are not equal even when it comes to safety.
Even helmets are targeted by the unscrupulous in the name of profit it seems...

[scumdog]

word must have got down the line that they were coming....South side of Timaru, there was about 15 police cars and matching personnel lined up for a pullover session. Wife didn't get stopped, saw one bike pulled over. Later saw and heard the mob go through Oamaru.


Cos they had already been pulled over half a dozen times by then.

Any more stops by the cops and they would be whinging on KB...:rolleyes:

[oneofsix]

I actually spent just over $300 on my last helmet and not $1000 as I based my decision on my riding style which is not for example participating in high speed group rides or cornering.

shouldn't have to last too long if your planned riding doesn't include cornering, also puzzled as to how you intend to get home again or is the point that you don't?


:corn:

[rastuscat]

all certified helmets have to meet minimum requirements, some might go beyond this but this isn't necessarily what you're paying for when you go more expensive; usually what you pay for is weight reduction, comfort, features & better tech (which usually leads to 1 & 2)

alert alert alert.......

Someone's using skoobers account to talk sense!!!!!!

[tigertim20]

Do you have a consumer magazine report you can post then on the safety of different priced helmets? Sorry I dont see any connection by just googling the word "Sharp"


So your belief is a $125 helmet is just as safe as a $1000 one and those that buy the $1000 one just do it for pose value? I feel you are the one off the planet and if you hit your head wearing your cheap helmet your thinking may be different. I have actually looked at some cheap helmets and the build quality is just not there but maybe the cheap cost is more important to you.

for fuck sakes are you lazy or stupid?

plenty of info out there showing that in fact many $100 helmets meet, and often exceed the safety ratings of $900 helmets.

if you arent intelligent enough to string together a combination of a few words like sharp, safety, helmet, ratings then you are beyond the help Im qualified to give

[pritch]

If you honestly believe a $900 helmet is 3 times better/safer than a $300 helmet, then I can't save you from yourself.

True. Once helmets meet the safety standard they must be safe, the gubbermint said so. More expensive lids should be more comfortable and may be quieter. They may be more stable at speed or they may be lighter. Then the fancy paint jobs cost more, some of them lots more.

It is extremely unlikely though that a $1500 hat is five times safer than a $300 hat.

[bogan]

You may not be able to see any quality difference but I can.

Perhaps your propensity for testing helmet durability is not a good thing, is it not? :scratch:

[tigertim20]

You may not be able to see any quality difference but I can. How would you know the accuracy of a safety rating on a real cheap helmet anyway and manufacturers do falsify labels which is far less likely to happen with a more expensive widely known brand. Just respect that I prefer to buy on a balance of price and quality and I will respect you prefer to buy on the cheapest price with a label equivalent to that of more expensive helmets irrespective of build quality.

glad you could clarify for me that you are in fact stupid, and not just lazy.

the sharp ratings are independent.

and my most recent helmet purchase, within the last month in fact was around $700. not because of some falsely conceived idea of its superiority, but because it is a nicer fit for my skull.

Now go crawl back in your hole.

[Topes]

Fucking Mike Noon, you are the fucking AA. If you reckon your members and drivers aren't educated about the road rules pull your thumb out of your arse and do something about it. You have magazines and a bunch of other means at your disposal to educate people, don't bitch and moan that not enough is being done.

I think this is the dumbest road rule ever. Why do you have indicate that you're going straight. I'd rather be keeping an eye up and out for hazards then worry about my indicator because I'm not crossing the path of another vehicle.

If a roundabout has two lanes the outside is for straight through only and the inside is straight or right turn..

That other dumbest idea and that round about in Lower Hutt is a prefect example is putting pedestrian crossing where you can put a car at risk by making it stop in the round about.


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[James Deuce]

SHARP isn't a standard, it's a rating system and arguably a flawed one at that. The following article neglects to mention that unlike DOT, Snell, and ECE the SHARP system doesn't use a head form that simulates hair and scalp, both of which have a significant effect on helmet rotation during an oblique impact. SHARP also uses much lower energy direct and oblique angle anvil impacts.

http://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/helmet-safety-ratings-101

Underlying every production standard is the need to compromise affordability and capability so we can actually afford a helmet.

[swbarnett]

Why do you have indicate that you're going straight.
But you're not going straight. I assume you're not in the habit of going over the center of the roundabout?

[haydes55]

I think this is the dumbest road rule ever. Why do you have indicate that you're going straight. I'd rather be keeping an eye up and out for hazards then worry about my indicator because I'm not crossing the path of another vehicle.

If a roundabout has two lanes the outside is for straight through only and the inside is straight or right turn..

That other dumbest idea and that round about in Lower Hutt is a prefect example is putting pedestrian crossing where you can put a car at risk by making it stop in the round about.


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Regardless of your exit, in a round about you must always indicate to exit. It's simple. Takes less thought than scratching your balls. Only indicate right if you're turning right. Shit that's easy.

People struggle with the simplest things, makes me wonder how difficult it would actually be to be a brain surgeon.

[nzspokes]

SHARP isn't a standard, it's a rating system and arguably a flawed one at that. The following article neglects to mention that unlike DOT, Snell, and ECE the SHARP system doesn't use a head form that simulates hair and scalp, both of which have a significant effect on helmet rotation during an oblique impact. SHARP also uses much lower energy direct and oblique angle anvil impacts.

http://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/helmet-safety-ratings-101

Underlying every production standard is the need to compromise affordability and capability so we can actually afford a helmet.

Agreed. Cheaper helmets are designed to pass whatever standard is relevant for that country.

Quality helmets will pass standards but also last a lot longer, be lighter, be more stable at speed, have decent warranties and have spare parts available.

I have read the Sharp testing system a while back, at the time I thought it was a budget testing system.

[F5 Dave]

SHARP isn't a standard, it's a rating system and arguably a flawed one at that. The following article neglects to mention that unlike DOT, Snell, and ECE the SHARP system doesn't use a head form that simulates hair and scalp, both of which have a significant effect on helmet rotation during an oblique impact. SHARP also uses much lower energy direct and oblique angle anvil impacts.

http://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/helmet-safety-ratings-101

Underlying every production standard is the need to compromise affordability and capability so we can actually afford a helmet.
Interesting, I'd scoffed at Sharp when I learnt it didn't rate my Arai of the time as best pick. I then read it and came away fairly impressed that it was making a good stab of it. But that article shows that it only rates helmets that pass ECE and has 5 steps thereafter. Everything is compromise. Even that article has quite a bias. No sticker is a novelty helmet that offers no protection it slurs. Or hasn't been tested.

[pritch]

Regardless of your exit, in a round about you must always indicate to exit. It's simple. Takes less thought than scratching your balls. Only indicate right if you're turning right. Shit that's easy.

People struggle with the simplest things, makes me wonder how difficult it would actually be to be a brain surgeon.

In Taranaki the roundabouts tend to be miniatures. Some in Hawera are just painted in the middle of ordinary intersections. The indicators need to be operated as fast as you can possibly work them and people do just drive straight over them.

As for how difficult it is to be a brain surgeon, that's topical and a good question considering the dumb shit Ben Carson comes out with.

[nerrrd]

Wonder what they'd say about my "super-visor" which is attached via clips stuck to the ordinary visor, it's pretty lightweight plastic but probably counts as an illegal modification?

317553

Can identify with the smaller roundabout issue, the gears on my current bike are so tall I have to feather the clutch and work the indicators at the same time, bit of a challenge for my limited co-ordination skills.

[nodrog]

So while my debate was not about standards you do confirm that not only with higher priced helmets do you get better build quality but they will likely be safer too
if they have a different rating to the Sharp testing system. From the attachment posted all the other standards are not rated perfect either so if in doubt the thinking would be to buy the most expensive
helmet you can afford for the sort of riding you do if its a good fit. Looking at the model/brand helmet that racers wear would be a good indication of a top helmet if you dont want
to buy on whatever the testing standard of a helmet is. I douubt racers would wear $125 dollar new helmets despite the claim they are just as safe as $1000 ones.

its called ergonomics dumbarse.

a bucket full of sand on your head would probably pass a helmet test, but its not going to be very comfortable is it?

[rastuscat]

I think this is the dumbest road rule ever. Why do you have indicate that you're going straight. I'd rather be keeping an eye up and out for hazards then worry about my indicator because I'm not crossing the path of another vehicle.

If a roundabout has two lanes the outside is for straight through only and the inside is straight or right turn..

That other dumbest idea and that round about in Lower Hutt is a prefect example is putting pedestrian crossing where you can put a car at risk by making it stop in the round about.


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There are a lot dumber rules, don't worry.

And clearly you have no idea what you are supposed to be doing.

The person sitting opposite you on a roundabout is wondering if they have to give way to you. Once you are on the roundabout, you have left the straight road you are on, and have entered a separate control area. If you indicate your exit, everyone knows what you are doing, and it just make traffic flow better. Less waiting.

Of course, the subtleties of such traffic flow issues escape many, who cant see past the needs of the person in their mirror.

[eldog]

If you indicate your exit, everyone knows what you are doing, and it just make traffic flow better. Less waiting.

Of course, the subtleties of such traffic flow issues escape many, who cant see past the needs of the person in their mirror.

Many = 90 % of Aklders, who have to beat the person in front to gain in the race on the road. And those in bright shiny new cars which have the indicators painted on. :brick:

[eldog]

No matter what the item there is always a price/performance ratio.

A shit item can still be sold at a high price if the customer is prepaid to pay.

But generally a decent item is a higher price, pays to look around and compare.
I saved for a couple of months to buy my helmet, it was a higher price item, but I feel it was worth it.

When I brought my helmet I researched what is available to get an idea of things that mattered.

Safety - I read as much as I could
Performance - did it incorporate the things I saw as a necessity - built in sun visor
Useability - If its nice and easy to use - I will use it, if its hard I will give up
Comfort/fit - does it fit snugly/tight all over my head? I tried lots of helmets most don't fit my noggin
Air flow/Pinlock - I am a heavy breather so tend to fog up everything, air flow through helmet was important
I have fogged up the Pinlock on several occasions completely and had to stop, even with the visor cracked open
Noise - a decent Neck roll eliminates a fair amount of noise
Visibilty - I wanted a colour that was visible
Removeable liner - helps cleaning.
Full Face - A mate of mine, face planted once, lucky it was only grass....
Price - I got a good deal.

Sure I looked at helmets that looked cool, where light, but those didn't meet my criteria.

Yes I have ridden without a helmet and it feels great, but I know shit can happen, so I wear a decent helmet.
Its not the one I wanted but the seller pointed me to another different model which I am very happy with.

Laws/standards are supposed to help the average user be 'safe'

In the last month or so I have been stopped 4 times (alcohol check points) I didn't feel targeted

Its upto the individual - your attitude and displayed behaviour - helps a lot

[nzspokes]

So while my debate was not about standards you do confirm that not only with higher priced helmets do you get better build quality but they will likely be safer too
if they have a different rating to the Sharp testing system. From the attachment posted all the other standards are not rated perfect either so if in doubt the thinking would be to buy the most expensive
helmet you can afford for the sort of riding you do if its a good fit. Looking at the model/brand helmet that racers wear would be a good indication of a top helmet if you dont want
to buy on whatever the testing standard of a helmet is. I douubt racers would wear $125 dollar new helmets despite the claim they are just as safe as $1000 ones.

The "Racer" point is worthless. Yes they are going faster but the have a lot less to hit. Dont tend to be cars and trees on the race track.

Pretty obvious a more expensive helmet is better quality.

[rastuscat]

The "Racer" point is worthless. Yes they are going faster but the have a lot less to hit. Dont tend to be cars and trees on the race track.

https://youtu.be/VruWHHEnZGw?list=PLDaHaa4FE8sQ8NZHSOQ2H2tlgcwLSAuw N

[Gremlin]

Of course, the subtleties of such traffic flow issues escape many, who cant see past the needs of the person in their mirror.
Stop assuming they're even considering the person in the mirror (or looking at the mirrors) :crazy:

[rastuscat]

Stop assuming they're even considering the person in the mirror (or looking at the mirrors) :crazy:

I was referring to the bathroom mirror. And to folk who only have concern for the Visage they see in it.

I'm not a big fan of the NZTA Drive Social campaign but I do like to consider the effect my riding has on others.

[Kickaha]

While racers may have less to hit they do have other riders in closer proximity than traffic on the road travelling at the same speed or higher. So while they have less to hit the chances of them having a hit are far greater due to them having far less stopping distance (if they are out to win).

You obviously know nothing about racing

[Scuba_Steve]

There are a lot dumber rules, don't worry.

And clearly you have no idea what you are supposed to be doing.

The person sitting opposite you on a roundabout is wondering if they have to give way to you. Once you are on the roundabout, you have left the straight road you are on, and have entered a separate control area. If you indicate your exit, everyone knows what you are doing, and it just make traffic flow better. Less waiting.

Of course, the subtleties of such traffic flow issues escape many, who cant see past the needs of the person in their mirror.

but you can't see the person opposite you as the NZTA in their astounding retardness has decided people shouldn't be able to see shit at roundabouts... cause somehow that's "safe"
And all this rule has done is made roundabouts so, so much worse, it's had the complete opposite effect of what the claimed intent was, it's a fucking mess... luckily most people have just stuck with the old system & for the most part shit still works

[rastuscat]

Interesting the comparison between road and track. I personally see the track as safer than roads, for the following reasons.

Everyone is going mostly in the same direction. No intersections, no crossing and turning crashes, no conflicting contract flows.

Mostly, there isn't a massive speed differential, as found on roads. Speed itself isn't the thing, it's speed differentials on the road that cause the biggest problems.

If you bin on a track it's a safer place to slide to a stop. Sand traps, run off areas, if only roads had those.

I repeat. $10 head, $10 helmet.

Just sayin.

[pritch]

$10 head, $10 helmet.



The last time I said that to somebody he replied that it was OK 'cause the helmet wasn't for him. It was for his wife.

[tigertim20]

You obviously know nothing
fixed that for ya mate.


Interesting the comparison between road and track. I personally see the track as safer than roads, for the following reasons.

Everyone is going mostly in the same direction. No intersections, no crossing and turning crashes, no conflicting contract flows.

Mostly, there isn't a massive speed differential, as found on roads. Speed itself isn't the thing, it's speed differentials on the road that cause the biggest problems.

If you bin on a track it's a safer place to slide to a stop. Sand traps, run off areas, if only roads had those.

I repeat. $10 head, $10 helmet.

Just sayin.

track analogy is dead on. went to teretonga for midweek trackday on wednesday this week.
The friend I went down with lost the front exiting the sweeper - doing around 130. had a wee slide across the track, over the grass and stopped in the gravel pit. rider good as gold, leathers scuffed on the bum, head did not contact anything due, in part to it being a flat smooth surface to glide across.

Had he been on a road he would have likely hit a kerb then a fence / lamp post / letterbox / whatever and would have required an ambulance, if not a hearse.

[nzspokes]

fixed that for ya mate.



track analogy is dead on. went to teretonga for midweek trackday on wednesday this week.
The friend I went down with lost the front exiting the sweeper - doing around 130. had a wee slide across the track, over the grass and stopped in the gravel pit. rider good as gold, leathers scuffed on the bum, head did not contact anything due, in part to it being a flat smooth surface to glide across.

Had he been on a road he would have likely hit a kerb then a fence / lamp post / letterbox / whatever and would have required an ambulance, if not a hearse.

I also agree. No friggin big steel things coming the other way.

[F5 Dave]

You are the one that knows nothing about racing and I suggest you look at some race crash videos to educate yourself.
That's like telling the pornstar that you know a bunch about sex cause you've seen it on TV.

But because you're hard of thinking I'll explain that Kick has been racing for a very long time. So he might have a clue.

[Kickaha]

So he might have a clue.

What a cunt, you take that back

[jellywrestler]

i wonder done here in the capital how many cops will get tickets then for riding with their flip top helmets open....

[Tazz]

There are a lot dumber rules, don't worry.

And clearly you have no idea what you are supposed to be doing.

The person sitting opposite you on a roundabout is wondering if they have to give way to you. Once you are on the roundabout, you have left the straight road you are on, and have entered a separate control area. If you indicate your exit, everyone knows what you are doing, and it just make traffic flow better. Less waiting.

Of course, the subtleties of such traffic flow issues escape many, who cant see past the needs of the person in their mirror.

See, in theory that sounds fantastic and makes complete sense. In reality unless you have x-ray vision and can see through the car to the indicator on the opposite side, it is redundant. For obvious reasons indicators are not designed to be seen from the opposite side of a vehicle :facepalm:

The right indicator blinking or the lack of a right indicator blinking and your speed are what really lets other drivers know what is happening, not the redundant flick of the left indicator when you're already clearly on the way off the round about anyway. You can't start it earlier otherwise you are going to get people from the first intersection pulling out in front of you, and then in the case of cars when your wheels are to the right the left indicator won't stay on because the auto off mechanism is in the wrong position almost every time, until your wheels are straightening and it's clear you are leaving the roundabout anyway.

It is a useless rule for all but the absolutely massive of roundabouts.

[rambaldi]

See, in theory that sounds fantastic and makes complete sense. In reality unless you have x-ray vision and can see through the car to the indicator on the opposite side, it is redundant. For obvious reasons indicators are not designed to be seen from the opposite side of a vehicle :facepalm:

The right indicator blinking or the lack of a right indicator blinking and your speed are what really lets other drivers know what is happening, not the redundant flick of the left indicator when you're already clearly on the way off the round about anyway. You can't start it earlier otherwise you are going to get people from the first intersection pulling out in front of you, and then in the case of cars when your wheels are to the right the left indicator won't stay on because the auto off mechanism is in the wrong position almost every time, until your wheels are straightening and it's clear you are leaving the roundabout anyway.

It is a useless rule for all but the absolutely massive of roundabouts.

It seems to work for a lot of circles around where I live, they aren't micro roundabouts obviously but it works. You flick them on just past the last exit and then others can get on as you are getting off. All these are 50 km/h ones so obviously you are moving pretty slowly through them rather than hooning.

[Tazz]

It seems to work for a lot of circles around where I live, they aren't micro roundabouts obviously but it works. You flick them on just past the last exit and then others can get on as you are getting off. All these are 50 km/h ones so obviously you are moving pretty slowly through them rather than hooning.

Flick it on as you are straightening up/not turning because you're past the apex of the roundabout and on the way off you mean? ;)

Glad you find it handy though. I can't think of one roundabout I've used (I travelled a fair bit but haven't spent much time in Auckland so probably haven't used the ones you do) in NZ where you couldn't tell what the driver was doing before seeing their left hand indicator going to show they were exiting or not.

[rambaldi]

Flick it on as you are straightening up/not turning because you're past the apex of the roundabout and on the way off you mean? ;)

Glad you find it handy though. I can't think of one roundabout I've used (I travelled a fair bit but haven't spent much time in Auckland so probably haven't used the ones you do) in NZ where you couldn't tell what the driver was doing before seeing their left hand indicator going to show they were exiting or not.

I would like to think that were the case but with some of the muppets I have seen we can do with all the help we can get :p

[Tazz]

I would like to think that were the case but with some of the muppets I have seen we can do with all the help we can get :p

haha I'd definitely agree with that =)

[Ender EnZed]

i wonder done here in the capital how many cops will get tickets then for riding with their flip top helmets open....

Nolan starting making one a couple of years ago that was still certified with the face up. Haven't heard anything about other manufacturers doing the same though.

[Tazz]

Nolan starting making one a couple of years ago that was still certified with the face up. Haven't heard anything about other manufacturers doing the same though.

Shark and LS2 have ones you can do that with. I think Shark did it first with their Evoline model?

[oneofsix]

Nolan starting making one a couple of years ago that was still certified with the face up. Haven't heard anything about other manufacturers doing the same though.


Shark and LS2 have ones you can do that with. I think Shark did it first with their Evoline model?

add Caberg to the list of helmets certified when up or down.

[F5 Dave]

What a cunt, you take that back
Oh yeah? Well in time honoured internet fashion, I'm going to compare you to Hitler.

He had better dress sense.

[caseye]

My wife rides her own bike, has done for a few years now,we ride together most of the time, we do a number of charity rides ( group rides) and take part in a lot of FBMC, LOR and other runs for different charities etc, as well as going down country with friends for a few days at a time. We've both recently, last 4 months, ended up with Bell lids, with the new fangled auto tinting visors, these are the bees knees, no need for another visor, they really do work, from clear to tinted in about 2-3 seconds. Small click forward setting allows air in, no fogging, No actual pin locks, these literally don't need them, great helmets.
they're also not 100 Bucks and normally they retail at about 7-900 hundy.
Got em from Moto Mail a couple of months ago on special with the visors thrown in, because we bought their basic colour range ones for just 5 hundy apiece.
Feel very good and safe, less noise, less buffett, less weight, an improvement on the old ones we've hung up on the garage wall.
Also Bells, but old technology.
I don't rate sharps as a tell all, doing the right thing sort of an outfit, but I do know what feels right, safe and proper, have never owned a 1 hundy helmet and never would, can't always afford the most expensive but always make sure my baby wears the best we can afford while having the most of the important things a helmet should provide.
I can't believe IT's been here this long and doesn't know who rides, who races and who simply talks shit around here.

[Swoop]

for fuck sakes are you lazy or stupid?

Conclusive evidence proves the verdict of "stupid".

[RDJ]

A lot of the time helmet choice, IMO, defaults to the manufacturer that makes a helmet that meets minimum standards and fits our required head shape comfortably for long rides. For 10+ years I always bought an Arai Signet because it fitted well and was comfortable - then Arai discontinued it and I moved on to a Shoei Multitec. Then Shoei brought out a Multitec II which had an altered shape, dammit... so I bought 2x Multitec Mk I's for future use... I'm on the second thereof...

[James Deuce]

Conclusive evidence proves the verdict of "stupid".
Don't forget "Overwhelmingly conclusive".

[Big Dog]

Half the post is missing. Can't be fucked typing it again.

[skippa1]

Just another bullshit bacon excuse to pull motorcyclists over. Cunts

[AllanB]

Just another bullshit bacon excuse to pull motorcyclists over. Cunts

Nah mate - helmets should be checked with your WOF - they are a safety item - just like a cars seat belt. Old and worn. Replace it.

[skippa1]

Nah mate - helmets should be checked with your WOF - they are a safety item - just like a cars seat belt. Old and worn. Replace it.
Fucken bullshit.....pigs dont announce they are going to pull every car over to check the seatbelts.

[bogan]

Fucken bullshit.....pigs dont announce they are going to pull every car over to check the seatbelts.

Why would you, if you are quick enough stopping the first one, the cars behind will 'self test' theirs :bleh:

[scumdog]

Just another bullshit bacon excuse to pull motorcyclists over. Cunts

Enjoy!:niceone:

[scumdog]

Fucken bullshit.....pigs dont announce they are going to pull every car over to check the seatbelts.

Just random ones, probably with you in them.

Again, enjoy!:msn-wink:

[skippa1]

Enjoy!:niceone:


Just random ones, probably with you in them.

Again, enjoy!:msn-wink:


The name for a group of pigs depends on the animals' ages. A group of young pigs is called a drift, drove or litter. Groups of older pigs are called a sounder of swine, a team or passel of hogs or a singular of boars

[AllanB]

Fucken bullshit.....pigs dont announce they are going to pull every car over to check the seatbelts.

Actually I do believe they have announced on more than one occasion a blitz on seat belt wearing.

Ditto txting while driving (try that shit on your motorcycle).



We are way too precious as motorcyclists. You'd only be annoyed if you have some 20 year old piss-bowl of a helmet or some daft arse supposedly hard-man German helmet that does not meet any code.

[scumdog]

The name for a group of pigs depends on the animals' ages. A group of young pigs is called a drift, drove or litter. Groups of older pigs are called a sounder of swine, a team or passel of hogs or a singular of boars






Unlike, say a bore like you??<_<

[skippa1]

Actually I do believe they have announced on more than one occasion a blitz on seat belt wearing.

Ditto txting while driving (try that shit on your motorcycle).



We are way too precious as motorcyclists. You'd only be annoyed if you have some 20 year old piss-bowl of a helmet or some daft arse supposedly hard-man German helmet that does not meet any code.
Again.....fucken bullshit. I have been detained in the side of the road on more than one occassion while they "check" licence, wof, rego with no reason to pull me over other than "legitimate checks"

last pig wanted to know where i was going and where i had come from? WTF?

every time i am legit and no ticket....fucken police state

cunts cant attend when i call in a shithead tagging the school though

[skippa1]

Unlike, say a bore like you??<_<
Whatcha squeeling about?

[Ender EnZed]

Why would you, if you are quick enough stopping the first one, the cars behind will 'self test' theirs :bleh:

Something like this? (Nothing interesting happens after the first 15 seconds)

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/wfPFgdS1ofE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[scumdog]

Whatcha squeeling about?


Just you and your whining sniffling....

[skippa1]

Just you and your whining sniffling....
Getting on your wick is it?

[scumdog]

Getting on your wick is it?


Hey leave my 'wick' out of it - and it's a hawser sonny, not a wick.

So stop whining...

[skippa1]

Hey leave my 'wick' out of it - and it's a hawser sonny, not a wick...
Dont kid yourself, such sensitivity, its got to be a vagina

[scumdog]

Dont kid yourself, such sensitivity, its got to be a vagina

Welll fuuuuckk yoouuuu....:bleh:

[gsxr]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/74557572/teenager-dies-in-motorbike-crash-on-mothers-wedding-day

That saucepan without a handle didnt save his life

[rambaldi]

Actually I do believe they have announced on more than one occasion a blitz on seat belt wearing.

Ditto txting while driving (try that shit on your motorcycle).



We are way too precious as motorcyclists. You'd only be annoyed if you have some 20 year old piss-bowl of a helmet or some daft arse supposedly hard-man German helmet that does not meet any code.

Wish they would crack down on texting and fbing again. So many muppets doing that around here.

[admenk]

That saucepan without a handle didnt save his life

Do we know if any different type / make / cost / style of helmet would have helped in this case?

[scumdog]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/74557572/teenager-dies-in-motorbike-crash-on-mothers-wedding-day

That saucepan without a handle didnt save his life

So he died of head injuries?

[nzspokes]

Wish they would crack down on texting and fbing again. So many muppets doing that around here.

I see 10+ a day on my 10 mins of motorway riding. But that would require actual work to hop on a bike and go get these people. Guess the fine is not high enough value.

[James Deuce]

Actually I do believe they have announced on more than one occasion a blitz on seat belt wearing.

Ditto txting while driving (try that shit on your motorcycle).



We are way too precious as motorcyclists. You'd only be annoyed if you have some 20 year old piss-bowl of a helmet or some daft arse supposedly hard-man German helmet that does not meet any code.
Seatbelt wearing and checking that the seatbelt meets the design standard(s) are two different things. They most assuredly do not single out a specific brand and model of car to check seatbelt wearing or standards compliance either. However if you see a bike you can stop it and subject the rider to any number of indignities, because it is a motorcycle and you are a motorcyclist. Bugger all cops know the difference between a 20 year old BMW K100LT and a 2015 Harley Davidson Road King and the type of rider they attract. The profiling finishes at "fuckwit riding fucking death machine".

[AllanB]

Car seatbelt compliance (tag) and condition (fraying and/or not retracting properly can fail them) are checked each WOF (six months/year as applicable).

Motorcycle crash helmets are not.

So when they do a seatbelt wearing blitz the police check you are wearing the belt first, that will lead to a WOF ticket check, rego, license, if you bong is visible on the seat they will continue their search ......



Stop being so precious.


Buy a decent helmet, someone who cares for you may appreciate it one day.

[awayatc]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/74557572/teenager-dies-in-motorbike-crash-on-mothers-wedding-day

That saucepan without a handle didnt save his life

He was a teenager who worked for a living and rode a bike.....
he overcooked a corner.
something we all have done at least once.....
this young man does unfortunately not get a chance to learn from it...

A bit more sympathy and respect wouldnt be out of place.....
condescending old fuck....

[RDJ]

He was a teenager who worked for a living and rode a bike.....
he overcooked a corner.
something we all have done at least once.....
this young man does unfortunately not get a chance to learn from it...


He's earned respect for earning his way. And indeed yes, which of us has not gone into a corner too hot, or followed too close, or overtaken when we shouldn't have? Everyone rolls the dice one way or another, on 2 wheels, or 4... and in other situations. Most of the time we get away with it. Often we learn from it...

R.I.P. young fella.

[willytheekid]

He was a teenager who worked for a living and rode a bike.....
he overcooked a corner.
something we all have done at least once.....
this young man does unfortunately not get a chance to learn from it...

A bit more sympathy and respect wouldnt be out of place.....
condescending old fuck....

+1 :yes:

...well said mate (ill thought comment pissed me off too)

[James Deuce]

Car seatbelt compliance (tag) and condition (fraying and/or not retracting properly can fail them) are checked each WOF (six months/year as applicable).

Motorcycle crash helmets are not.

So when they do a seatbelt wearing blitz the police check you are wearing the belt first, that will lead to a WOF ticket check, rego, license, if you bong is visible on the seat they will continue their search ......



Stop being so precious.


Buy a decent helmet, someone who cares for you may appreciate it one day.

At the WoF - not the side of the road. As I said, I've NEVER seen a cop check a seatbelt for standards compliance or condition. Ever. And who the FUCK are you to assume I don't have a decent helmet you small-minded Government apologist?

[AllanB]

Typical response James. Try the same attitude with the police when they pull you over for a 'document inspection' let me know how it goes.

Oh and they do also do random 'document inspections' for car drivers too - been pulled over several times for them.


So lets make it real easy - turn up for a WOF and if your helmet is not coded correctly then no WOF. No roadside inspections infringing on your 'rights' .


Surely you could not complain about that? After all the rest of NZ has to ensure their vehicles pass similar inspections (ie seat-belts being legal).

[J.A.W.]

Typical response James. Try the same attitude with the police when they pull you over for a 'document inspection' let me know how it goes.

Oh and they do also do random 'document inspections' for car drivers too - been pulled over several times for them.


So lets make it real easy - turn up for a WOF and if your helmet is not coded correctly then no WOF. No roadside inspections infringing on your 'rights' .


Surely you could not complain about that? After all the rest of NZ has to ensure their vehicles pass similar inspections (ie seat-belts being legal).


Bloody coppers should never have been permitted to pull "random" stops of people exercising their right to freely traverse the Queens highway..
.. blatantly spearfishing for revenue.. its an abuse of authority..
& "probable cause" ought to be a minimum standard - such as in places where a citizen has fundamental written constitutional rights - under law.

Cops it seems, have always been able to throw their weight around far too readily, & usually in the absence of specific ability to properly appraise
such technical matters in a scientifically valid way, yet 'guilty until proven otherwise' appears to be the norm.. & is getting steadily worse..

[RDJ]

Took the bride's car to go shopping before my shift started. Got pulled over, so they can quote "have a good look at my warrant & registration." Whisky Tango? probable cause? there were about seven of us in the queue...

[AllanB]

Cops it seems, have always been able to throw their weight around far too readily, & usually in the absence of specific ability to properly appraise
such technical matters in a scientifically valid way, yet 'guilty until proven otherwise' appears to be the norm.. & is getting steadily worse..

Valid point regarding ensuring satisfactory training or qualification for inspection (too loud apparently is enough to instruct you to have it tested at your expense.

Helmet compliance inspection. Should be a piece of piss really - print out the relevant accepted safety requirements - laminate and issue to Po-Po. Helmet should have one in/on it. How they are qualified to determine if it is suitably damaged etc may raise issues.

Link to 'stickers' here - DOT comment at the bottom interests - is it saying it is or is not accepted?

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/motorcycle-road-code/you-and-your-motorcycle/wearing-the-right-gear/

[skippa1]

Bloody coppers should never have been permitted to pull "random" stops of people exercising their right to freely traverse the Queens highway..
.. blatantly spearfishing for revenue.. its an abuse of authority..
& "probable cause" ought to be a minimum standard - such as in places where a citizen has fundamental written constitutional rights - under law.

Cops it seems, have always been able to throw their weight around far too readily, & usually in the absence of specific ability to properly appraise
such technical matters in a scientifically valid way, yet 'guilty until proven otherwise' appears to be the norm.. & is getting steadily worse..
Dont make me agree with you.....cunt

[Big Dog]

Valid point regarding ensuring satisfactory training or qualification for inspection (too loud apparently is enough to instruct you to have it tested at your expense.

Helmet compliance inspection. Should be a piece of piss really - print out the relevant accepted safety requirements - laminate and issue to Po-Po. Helmet should have one in/on it. How they are qualified to determine if it is suitably damaged etc may raise issues.

Link to 'stickers' here - DOT comment at the bottom interests - is it saying it is or is not accepted?

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/motorcycle-road-code/you-and-your-motorcycle/wearing-the-right-gear/
DOT is acceptable provided the helmet was manufactured and sold in the us.
It is relatively useless though because all it means is the manufacturer wrote a letter to the right person saying they believe the helmet is safe. Unless it has changed in the last 4 years there is no burden of proof... unless someone comes a cropper and can prove the helmet defective and contributed to the injury.

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[G4L4XY]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/73911406/lower-hutt-police-to-crack-down-on-drivers-who-fail-to-signal-at-roundabouts

About 90% of people don't even do this, I've even seen cops who don't indicate when exiting round a bouts. Some people like to turn right from the outside lane which isn't legal. Too many muppets out there.

[AllanB]

I never agreed with the signal out if going straight through change. Also seemed obvious that if you were going straight through the roundabout no need to signal, turning 'around' signal.

I see too many now either doing nothing, signaling wrong (the right indicator flash as they head straight) and the people entering the roundabout presuming they are signaling correctly .....

Interestingly my daughter is learning to drive - first time straight through one when I tell her she has to flash the 'turn' on a straight through she asks why - I'm not turning. First lesson for her - don't expect common sense to any other driver on the road!

[Berries]

Interestingly my daughter is learning to drive - first time straight through one when I tell her she has to flash the 'turn' on a straight through she asks why - I'm not turning. First lesson for her - don't expect common sense to any other driver on the road!
Second lesson should be to tell her she is turning.

[5ive]

DOT is acceptable provided the helmet was manufactured and sold in the us.
It is relatively useless though because all it means is the manufacturer wrote a letter to the right person saying they believe the helmet is safe. Unless it has changed in the last 4 years there is no burden of proof... unless someone comes a cropper and can prove the helmet defective and contributed to the injury.

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Hey bud, saw you at the petrol station Friday arvo on the way home. I've never been tooted at before by a biker, and it took me a couple of seconds to register it was a bike, and someone that knew me :msn-wink:

I've seen you off of your bike, and your bike without you on it quite a lot, but I have to say, gear on and riding, that helmet looked very legal :Police:

[swbarnett]

Interestingly my daughter is learning to drive - first time straight through one when I tell her she has to flash the 'turn' on a straight through she asks why - I'm not turning. First lesson for her - don't expect common sense to any other driver on the road!
You need to go back to school and study basic geometry.

Tell me again how the black line below is straight?

317713

[Scuba_Steve]

You need to go back to school and study basic geometry.

Tell me again how the black line below is straight?


You're usually better than this... how would you explain someone to take that path???
"turn into the roundabout & turn out on the side directly opposite"??? No! you'd say "head straight through the roundabout"
Just like it's considered going straight on windy roads or anytime you're not pulling off the road... The road doesn't have to be physically straight for someone to travel straight along it

[Berries]

Straight through at a roundabout -

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[AllanB]

You're usually better than this... how would you explain someone to take that path???
"turn into the roundabout & turn out on the side directly opposite"??? No! you'd say "head straight through the roundabout"
Just like it's considered going straight on windy roads or anytime you're not pulling off the road... The road doesn't have to be physically straight for someone to travel straight along it

What he said.

Conceptually straight then.......

If the bloody roundabout was not there you would be travelling 'straight' through a intersection between two (or more) roads.


Christchurch's large double lane roundabouts are shockers - I do not enjoy travelling on them. There was a truck and trailer lying on it's side in one a week back guess he got his knee down too low.

[swbarnett]

how would you explain someone to take that path???
"turn into the roundabout & turn out on the side directly opposite"??? No! you'd say "head straight through the roundabout"
Yes and no. You could also tell someone to take the second exit.


Just like it's considered going straight on windy roads or anytime you're not pulling off the road... The road doesn't have to be physically straight for someone to travel straight along it
True when there's no intersection involved. I see it the same as any other intersection on a bend. The "straight-through" in this case is to stay on the bend.

When all is said and done it's really only about courtesy for the vehicle waiting to enter.

[nerrrd]

What he said.

Conceptually straight then.......

If the bloody roundabout was not there you would be travelling 'straight' through a intersection between two (or more) roads.

Trouble is, once you're on the roundabout you have the right of way, whether turning or going straight through; in a normal intersection you have to stop and give way to other traffic if turning right (and until recently left as well), which is where the confusion arises IMHO.

So it's best to keep the other traffic informed of what you intend to do, ie indicate when leaving the roundabout, simple as that.

[Moi]

You turn onto a roundabout and turn off a roundabout - hence the need to signal...

You signal so others have an indication - why those flashing amber lights are called indicators - of what you intend to do...

You do it because you've been told to do it...

You do it to prove your car has indicators fitted as standard equipment, rather than as optional extras...

You do it to confuse those of lesser intelligence...

You do it so you can advance to bigger and better roundabouts (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wHgRN70_aU)...

You do it so you don't piss-off those waiting to enter the roundabout...

You just do it!

[eldog]

You do it to prove your car has indicators fitted as standard equipment, rather than as optional extras...

It has been proven that modern cars and SUVs have painted on indicators.
they are just there for looks.:brick:


Liked the bigger and better roundabouts - been there OMG but it works, walked to the center under the Arc, watching the mayhem.

[eldog]

When all is said and done it's really only about courtesy for the vehicle waiting to enter.

True dat.
Most people don't think about anyone else and if they do they have to beat them on the road, even if its just one car length and if it causes a slow down for those vehicles behind 'f**k those idiots'

seen it all.

rather ride by myself in the country, unfortunately country drivers don't know how to corner on THEIR side of the road. esp in Franklin.:brick:

[J.A.W.]

DOT is acceptable provided the helmet was manufactured and sold in the us.
It is relatively useless though because all it means is the manufacturer wrote a letter to the right person saying they believe the helmet is safe. Unless it has changed in the last 4 years there is no burden of proof... unless someone comes a cropper and can prove the helmet defective and contributed to the injury.

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Yeah, just recently, on this side of the ditch, where state roads authorities still make shit up as they go along, the 2 most populous
states (NSW & Vic) have finally agreed to accept Euro standard helmets as 'legal' - along with the already approved Au/NZ & DOT (US) stuff.

[AllanB]

All correct, but what I liked about the original system was that if you were in the RB and going 'straight' (lets agree on that term) then by not 'indicating your intention to go around' by default you were going through. Anyone with a turn signal on was going 'around' in some form.

Pet hate and it appears to be the over 60's - going 'straight' indicate right then left !!!! Covering all options!

And SUV's - by shear size they can ignore any road courtesy and do WTF they like!

And tradie vans in Christchurch - best to presume they have no idea what they are doing as a disturbing percentage of them appear to be driving stoned ....... (recent paper article expressed concern over tradie and drug use in CHCH).

[Gremlin]

The road rules... you need to know them and apply them in order to get your licence. You can't pick and choose which ones you deem suitable, and by breaking them, there is a penalty (well, if caught anyway)...

Not sure how this is hard to comprehend?

[pritch]

Pet hate and it appears to be the over 60's - going 'straight' indicate right then left !!!! Covering all options!



That's possibly a failure to communicate by officialdom, I'm sure I can recall that being promulgated as the correct procedure.
Still, as long as the oldies don't indicate left when they're going straight through it shouldn't cause too many problems.

[AllanB]

The road rules... you need to know them and apply them in order to get your licence. You can't pick and choose which ones you deem suitable, and by breaking them, there is a penalty (well, if caught anyway)...

Not sure how this is hard to comprehend?

No argument there.


But don't we just do that every day...... pretty sure I traveled at over 104 this morning ..... but I was not in a roundabout, and I had a Snell approved helmet on.


Anyone get a helmet inspection today?

[swbarnett]

All correct, but what I liked about the original system was that if you were in the RB and going 'straight' (lets agree on that term) then by not 'indicating your intention to go around' by default you were going through.
The problem I had with this is that you had to see which road a vehicle came in from to know where they would leave.

[skippa1]

Anyone get a helmet inspection today?
I had a quick look at mine this morning, i might get the misses to take a closer look in the morning

[swbarnett]

Getting back to the original topic for a moment...

I checked both mine and my wife's helmet this morning and could not find a safety standard sticker anywhere. Not one. I even pulled out the cheek pads and other inner padding.

They're both Shoei (Qwest and GT-Air) so I know they comply. Does the absence of a sticker mean anything legally?

[Scuba_Steve]

Getting back to the original topic for a moment...

I checked both mine and my wife's helmet this morning and could not find a safety standard sticker anywhere. Not one. I even pulled out the cheek pads and other inner padding.

They're both Shoei (Qwest and GT-Air) so I know they comply. Does the absence of a sticker mean anything legally?

no, but if the popo was to harass you over it the following should be noted

In proceedings for an offence of breaching this clause, proof that a safety helmet worn by the defendant did not bear a standard specification mark or a registered trademark is, until the contrary is proved, sufficient evidence that the helmet was not of an approved standard.

[nzspokes]

Getting back to the original topic for a moment...

I checked both mine and my wife's helmet this morning and could not find a safety standard sticker anywhere. Not one. I even pulled out the cheek pads and other inner padding.

They're both Shoei (Qwest and GT-Air) so I know they comply. Does the absence of a sticker mean anything legally?

Guess thats what happens when you buy your gear on Ebay.

You will fail a road side inspection.

[Ender EnZed]

Getting back to the original topic for a moment...

I checked both mine and my wife's helmet this morning and could not find a safety standard sticker anywhere. Not one. I even pulled out the cheek pads and other inner padding.

They're both Shoei (Qwest and GT-Air) so I know they comply. Does the absence of a sticker mean anything legally?

Just had a look at my GT-Air. There were a couple of labels about not piercing it or soaking it in acid around the place but the potential safety standard sticker I found was attached to the right hand chin strap, under the sheath bit. It had E6 in a circle and a few other numbers around the edges.

[admenk]

.....so, a sticker "proves" your helmet is safe to wear :innocent:

In the article, in fairness to them, they say just the presence of a sticker does not mean a helmet is safe, but how does your average policeman make that judgement?

[Flip]

.....so, a sticker "proves" your helmet is safe to wear :innocent:

In the article, in fairness to them, they say just the presence of a sticker does not mean a helmet is safe, but how does your average policeman make that judgement?

The rozza are not here to make judgements, not their job. The rozza are only here to prosecute.

[Berries]

I checked both mine and my wife's helmet this morning and could not find a safety standard sticker anywhere.
You bloody Wellingtonians and your modern ways.

[swbarnett]

Guess thats what happens when you buy your gear on Ebay.
Big assumption. The GT-Air was bought locally.

[swbarnett]

Just had a look at my GT-Air. There were a couple of labels about not piercing it or soaking it in acid around the place but the potential safety standard sticker I found was attached to the right hand chin strap, under the sheath bit. It had E6 in a circle and a few other numbers around the edges.
Thanks, I saw that but at the time hadn't realised how to make it visible. I just had another look and yes, The E6 is there once I push the comfort cover back out of the way.

The same is trie for my Qwest.

[swbarnett]

You bloody Wellingtonians and your modern ways.
I'm closer to Auckland than Wellington. About 10 times closer.

[AllanB]

Dot and Snell approved stickers on the outside back of my HJC with a decent Snell label inside under the padding. You'll definately need to have you lid off to prove it complies.

[J.A.W.]

Dot and Snell approved stickers on the outside back of my HJC with a decent Snell label inside under the padding. You'll definately need to have you lid off to prove it complies.

Over here, a cop'll tell you that your helmet visor also requires a plainly readable compliance label..

I might buy a Nazi-style helmet, but then I'd probably be at risk of being busted - for 'impersonating' - a bloody cop..

[bmws1r]

Just ask the cuntstable if he/she has the correct training/course to clearly ID an ISO standard motorcycle safety device, as stickers can come off with wear and tear.And remember they can only fuck you around for 15mins from the time they stop you, if nothing happens within that waste of your time, just leave as you are within your rights to do so.(they will chase after you, stop you, they may arrest you, but when it is heard in a court the judge will scald the popo like a 13 year old boy caught wanking off in the girls locker rooms, you will walk free with a smug look on face, finger raised to popo.)

[scumdog]

Just ask the cuntstable if he/she has the correct training/course to clearly ID an ISO standard motorcycle safety device, as stickers can come off with wear and tear.And remember they can only fuck you around for 15mins from the time they stop you, if nothing happens within that waste of your time, just leave as you are within your rights to do so.(they will chase after you, stop you, they may arrest you, but when it is heard in a court the judge will scald the popo like a 13 year old boy caught wanking off in the girls locker rooms, you will walk free with a smug look on face, finger raised to popo.)

Cool story bro!<_<

[Big Dog]

Getting back to the original topic for a moment...

I checked both mine and my wife's helmet this morning and could not find a safety standard sticker anywhere. Not one. I even pulled out the cheek pads and other inner padding.

They're both Shoei (Qwest and GT-Air) so I know they comply. Does the absence of a sticker mean anything legally?
The exact standard used to be on a white bit of cloth stitched to the strap for the market they were manufactured for.
If imported by the nz importer there should also be a snell sticker to the left of centre at the back.

The only person I have known to be ticketed for this was ticketed for not having the sticker.
He was in at the bike shop trying to buy a "replacement" sticker for his Web sourced helmet. None too happy we couldn't provide such a thing.

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[swbarnett]

The exact standard used to be on a white bit of cloth stitched to the strap for the market they were manufactured for.
If imported by the nz importer there should also be a snell sticker to the left of centre at the back.

The only person I have known to be ticketed for this was ticketed for not having the sticker.
He was in at the bike shop trying to buy a "replacement" sticker for his Web sourced helmet. None too happy we couldn't provide such a thing.
Neither my web sourced (fc-moto) or my wife's locally bought Shoei have the sticker. They both have the tag on the chin strap though.

[Big Dog]

I reckon unless you were being a dick in the first place it is unlikely you will ever get checked for either of the helmets you list.
If you were checked it would be a a proper dick that didn't accept the sewn in tag.
Customer in question failed the attitude test if you ask me.

I was told the stickers are only put on for helmets destined to be sold in countries that require them. I suppose that doesn't mean that even still happens. I last worked in a bike shop 5 years ago.
My last Shoei had a gold and transparent sticker.

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[Paul in NZ]

Awesome home business opportunity selling 'replacement' stickers... My financial future is assured...

On a more serious note...

I have seen many replica 'novelty' helmets with DOT approved stickers and even advertised as such.. Hmmm... I'll be a sack full of wet weasel buttocks these helmets have never been tested... Or at least tested beyond not falling to bits until the customers cheque has cleared...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/helmets-clothing-footwear/helmets/auction-994882927.htm

[flashg]

Awesome home business opportunity selling 'replacement' stickers... My financial future is assured...

On a more serious note...

I have seen many replica 'novelty' helmets with DOT approved stickers and even advertised as such.. Hmmm... I'll be a sack full of wet weasel buttocks these helmets have never been tested... Or at least tested beyond not falling to bits until the customers cheque has cleared...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/helmets-clothing-footwear/helmets/auction-994882927.htm


Yeah that clip looks strong and won't disintegrate when my head hits the ground, Tui moment right there. No thanks

[Scuba_Steve]

On a more serious note...

I have seen many replica 'novelty' helmets with DOT approved stickers and even advertised as such.. Hmmm... I'll be a sack full of wet weasel buttocks these helmets have never been tested... Or at least tested beyond not falling to bits until the customers cheque has cleared...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/helmets-clothing-footwear/helmets/auction-994882927.htm

DOT doesn't require testing that's most the problem with it... see below

The Dept. of Transportation, part of the Federal Govt., sets safety standards for motorcycle helmets. Manufacturers are not required to submit helmets to independent testing labs, or even test them themselves to any particular level, only to certify that their helmets meet the standard. And then they are allowed to put a sticker on the helmet that says 'DOT'.

There are little 'beanie' helmets sold in bike shops that have a little warning on them that they are not to the DOT standard and therefore not technically legal. But they come with a DOT sticker in the box, and you are allowed to put this sticker on yourself! This doesn't make the helmet legal but the idea is to fool the cops. Believe it or not, thats 'legal'.

[Big Dog]

I got given a nz aus approved German helmet. F knows how it meet any standard... I dropped it from about head height onto concrete by accident and was very grateful it was not on my head. Fracture about 2 inches long on each of the 3 "legs" .

Just to be sure I thought that fucked it let's see what our will take to thoroughly destroy it.
It seems a 3 iron takes 3 strokes to reduce it to unrecognizable.

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[Big Dog]

That was a fiberglass one. The polycarbonate ones last better but still little better than a cycle helmet.

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[admenk]

It seems a 3 iron takes 3 strokes to reduce it to unrecognizable.

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...so, you'll be fine in one as long as you stay away from the golf course :innocent:

[Big Dog]

To be fair, if you only strike one object and only with the top or back of your head you should be good... just don't do any sliding... and stay off the fairways.

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[Paul in NZ]

That was a fiberglass one. The polycarbonate ones last better but still little better than a cycle helmet.

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Dunno about that... I use one of these and Vicki has similar... https://www.torpedo7.co.nz/products/BEHLMN6S3/title/bell-2016-super-2-mips-helmet Trust me its a LOT better than some of those novelty helmets...

[Grubber]

Awesome home business opportunity selling 'replacement' stickers... My financial future is assured...

On a more serious note...

I have seen many replica 'novelty' helmets with DOT approved stickers and even advertised as such.. Hmmm... I'll be a sack full of wet weasel buttocks these helmets have never been tested... Or at least tested beyond not falling to bits until the customers cheque has cleared...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/helmets-clothing-footwear/helmets/auction-994882927.htm

I actually questioned that one. Check the reply, very vague!

[Gremlin]

I actually questioned that one. Check the reply, very vague!
That's likely the bullshit the cops want to stamp out. Guy brings in something that barely passes as a pudding bowl and sells as a helmet and shrugs that it may or may not be legal.

Shops on the other hand get hauled over the coals for anything close to that...

[Big Dog]

Goes back again to dot standard is only valid on our roads if the helmet was manufactured and purchased in the us.

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[nzspokes]

Awesome home business opportunity selling 'replacement' stickers... My financial future is assured...

On a more serious note...

I have seen many replica 'novelty' helmets with DOT approved stickers and even advertised as such.. Hmmm... I'll be a sack full of wet weasel buttocks these helmets have never been tested... Or at least tested beyond not falling to bits until the customers cheque has cleared...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/helmets-clothing-footwear/helmets/auction-994882927.htm

Thats a bicycle helmet. And the picture is of 2 different ones at that.

Commerce Commission would be interested in looking at that.

[Scuba_Steve]

Goes back again to dot standard is only valid on our roads if the helmet was manufactured and purchased in the us.


even then it shouldn't be, the DOT standard is guarantee of nothing more than the helmet has a sticker

[RDJ]

Thats a bicycle helmet. And the picture is of 2 different ones at that.

Commerce Commission would be interested in looking at that.

the straps on that thing would surely come off at anything over a walking pace?

[rastuscat]

Just thought I'd stoke the fires of the discussion by including some facts.

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2004/0427/latest/DLM303630.html?search=ts_act%40bill%40regulation%4 0deemedreg_road+user+rule_resel_25_a&p=1

[Tazz]

Just thought I'd stoke the fires of the discussion by including some facts.

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2004/0427/latest/DLM303630.html?search=ts_act%40bill%40regulation%4 0deemedreg_road+user+rule_resel_25_a&p=1

Does this count as a roll cage?


<img src="https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Yd_pIe5X9aQ/maxresdefault.jpg"/>

[Big Dog]

even then it shouldn't be, the DOT standard is guarantee of nothing more than the helmet has a sticker
I agree. Pretty sure it has to with not wanting to turn away tourist dollars.

When I started riding in the 90's DOT was the main standard. Very few helmets met the AUS/NZ Standard and only the very expensive meet Snell. My first helmet was a NZ standard FFM and some who thought they knew ridiculed me for not having a DOT helmet. By my second Snell was cheaper by my third or fourth euro was all the rage and DOT was only valid if purchased in the US.

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[Paul in NZ]

Thats a bicycle helmet. And the picture is of 2 different ones at that.

Commerce Commission would be interested in looking at that.

No way would I wear that on my mountain bike....

[AllanB]

Just thought I'd stoke the fires of the discussion by including some facts.

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2004/0427/latest/DLM303630.html?search=ts_act%40bill%40regulation%4 0deemedreg_road+user+rule_resel_25_a&p=1

Darn facts!

Points 6 & 7 make interesting reading.

[admenk]

Just thought I'd stoke the fires of the discussion by including some facts.

Now look, there's no place for those here....:nono:

[scumdog]

Darn facts!

Points 6 & 7 make interesting reading.


I know - now he's gone and shattered all the myths posted on this thread, geeze, whata grinch!:blink:

[eldog]

I would have thought 8 and 9 would have been more of interest here.

All those new KB Sihks doing 49 kph on their HDs or Sprotbikes.

[rambaldi]

I would have thought 8 and 9 would have been more of interest here.

All those new KB Sihks doing 49 kph on their HDs or Sprotbikes.

The only ones I have seen seem to drive for Pizza Hut, certainly not limiting themselves to 49 kph though like most delivery drivers.

[eldog]

The only ones I have seen seem to drive for Pizza Hut, certainly not limiting themselves to 49 kph though like most delivery drivers.

Every few months or so I see the local Sihk on his Royal Enfield (at least that is what I think it is)
He goes past so fast :whistle:

[eldog]

Does this count as a roll cage?

Cool roll cage.....

[Berries]

All those new KB Sihks doing 49 kph on their HDs or Sprotbikes.

Every few months or so I see the local Sihk on his Royal Enfield (at least that is what I think it is)
Pardon my ignorance, but what is a Sihk? Is it one of those things that kids get to go down stairs?

[eldog]

Pardon my ignorance, but what is a Sihk? Is it one of those things that kids get to go down stairs?

Sikh, bloody Dxlesyia and spelling....... it will be the death of me yet or down the plug hole (sink)

Thanks for pulling me up on that one:spanking:
no spell checker on here.

Why is Dxlesyia (and i probably splet that wrong too) have such difficult spelling? you would a thought it would be something like AAAA, ABBA or BBB symdrome something thats easy to spell.
AAA is already taken I supose

Myself I got a decent good fitting helmet, that has all the bits and pieces, I would trust myself with a POS even if it looks good.

[pritch]

As a result of reading this thread I checked the helmet I used yesterday. It had a largish Dot Snell sticker on the outside at the back.

As an afterthought I just checked some other helmets. Lots of info re sizing and helmet care but standards appear to be a mystery. With the exception of the above-mentioned helmet which was purchased from the USA, the helmets were bought locally: Arai, AGV and Shoei. The Shoei has a cryptic tag which could refer to a standard - or not.
Interesting because according to the information provided by rastus you are guilty until proven innocent.

[swbarnett]

Does this count as a roll cage?
Depends which way you roll.

[swbarnett]

Just thought I'd stoke the fires of the discussion by including some facts.

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2004/0427/latest/DLM303630.html?search=ts_act%40bill%40regulation%4 0deemedreg_road+user+rule_resel_25_a&p=1

In sub-clause 6:

a standard specification mark or a registered trademark
Does this mean that the "SHOEI" on the back of my helmet is sufficient proof of standard compliance?

[Scuba_Steve]

Interesting because according to the information provided by rastus you are guilty until proven innocent.
You say it as if it's new news for you?


In sub-clause 6:

Does this mean that the "SHOEI" on the back of my helmet is sufficient proof of standard compliance?

Yea, it would appear so

[pritch]

You say it as if it's new news for you?


Well in Godzone we're supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, although the prisoners on remand may wonder about that. Tax law is a major exception IIRC.

In as far as this too is an exception, it may come back to the fact that the best and brightest of each years law graduates tend not to be queuing to work for the Government?

[Scuba_Steve]

Well in Godzone we're supposed to be innocent until proven guilty


Supposed to be, yes!!! but having the law obeyed by the criminals running it is... well... just don't expect it