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swbarnett

30th November 2015, 14:22

the Truck driver needs to be shot
Actually, no. This is a rural road and needs to be treated with appropriate respect.

One lane is simply not wide enough for a truck. It was damn near in the ditch as it was.

- Can anyone point out why he was hugging the Centreline when there was no need to?
Exactly. And they did the same on the next corner.

The rider should've been hard to the left to maximise visibility around the corner.

rastuscat

30th November 2015, 14:33

Bloody near dead.

Surely enough reason to stay away from the centre line.

At 3 seconds it appears the bike was either on or over the centre line himself. And incredibly, 17 secs as well, after the scare.

I understand his reaction, but dear me, both driver and rider could have prevented that.

TheDemonLord

30th November 2015, 14:42

Actually, no. This is a rural road and needs to be treated with appropriate respect.

One lane is simply not wide enough for a truck. It was damn near in the ditch as it was.

I'm not so charitable - if your vehicle can't safely traverse a stretch of road and stay in your lane, then it should be illegal for that vehicle to drive on that road - looking back at the video - he looks to have about 1-2 feet of free space on his left (which is about equal to the amount that he was over the Centreline)

ukusa

30th November 2015, 15:24

And if the truck came around the bend to find a bicycle or scooter in front of him, his swerve would take him well and truly onto the wrong side of the road. Those narrow country roads can be damn dangerous for all.

EJK

30th November 2015, 15:29

Meh. Weekly encounters over Akaroa Highway.

awa355

30th November 2015, 15:30

And it's no good hiding behind a tree either:http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/mid-canterbury-selwyn/74533866/three-flown-to-hospital-after-van-trapped-under-tree-near-arthurs-pass

"It was understood their van left the left side of the road and smashed into a tree, causing it to fall. The tree was about 20 metres high.".

Gee!, the van did that, all by itself??? :gob: Doesn't look like much of a tree. They're lucky it wasn't a 80 year old bluegum. :shit:
I guess the airbags would have come in handy.

Tazz

30th November 2015, 15:42

+1 to the both being dodgy camp.

One lane is simply not wide enough for a truck. It was damn near in the ditch as it was.

BS. Easily enough room to not have to be over the center line. Take another look.

Erelyes

30th November 2015, 15:53

And that's what you get for turning into the apex about 6 years before you can see the corner exit.

swbarnett

30th November 2015, 18:12

I'm not so charitable - if your vehicle can't safely traverse a stretch of road and stay in your lane, then it should be illegal for that vehicle to drive on that road
Ever traveled through Northern Italy? They take full size tour buses on roads hardly wider than the bus. The locals don't have a problem with it and patiently wait while two of them do "million-point turns" in order to pass each other.

- looking back at the video - he looks to have about 1-2 feet of free space on his left (which is about equal to the amount that he was over the Centreline)
I see what you're getting at but either way the rider would still have been in the line of the truck.

When all is said and done this is a perfect example of why a right-hander is approached from the left.

leathel

30th November 2015, 18:19

Yup the truck could have been further left.....but being on a bike on roads like that...... if you want to stay alive keep left as "its the trucks fault" don't cut it when you are dead

Gianz

30th November 2015, 19:01

Ever traveled through Northern Italy? They take full size tour buses on roads hardly wider than the bus. The locals don't have a problem with it and patiently wait while two of them do "million-point turns" in order to pass each other.

you are wrong. I'm from northern Italy, and the difference is that if buses have to invade the other side, they do so slowly making sure not to hurt anyone. This trucky was just a dick. If you can't drive change job.

AllanB

30th November 2015, 19:23

He must be new to motorcycling. That shit happens all the time.

And a motorcyclists has never cut a corner ..............

Hugged the center line .............

TheDemonLord

30th November 2015, 19:53

Ever traveled through Northern Italy? They take full size tour buses on roads hardly wider than the bus. The locals don't have a problem with it and patiently wait while two of them do "million-point turns" in order to pass each other.

I see what you're getting at but either way the rider would still have been in the line of the truck.

When all is said and done this is a perfect example of why a right-hander is approached from the left.

Not yet, but if they do it there, I still don't accept it as right or acceptable - plenty of countries do things that in NZ we would consider dangerous/idiotic/regressive etc.

As for the rest of it - I agree - bad lines from the Motocyclist, poor road craft and lucky he only escaped with hair raising footage and a story to tell.

Tazz

30th November 2015, 20:18

if buses have to invade the other side, they do so slowly making sure not to hurt anyone.

The problem is with our small population in NZ 99 corners out of 100 or more on a rural road will have nothing coming the other way, so IMO drivers get complacent and used to taking horrible lines in or on any vehicle because they get away with it so often it's not even considered a bad or dangerous habit.

Also there is a bit of impatience built into our driving culture.

swbarnett

30th November 2015, 22:25

you are wrong. I'm from northern Italy, and the difference is that if buses have to invade the other side, they do so slowly making sure not to hurt anyone.
When we was there in the late '90s (we lived in Switzerland at the time) we drove on roads that were hardly wide enough for two cars, let alone two tour buses. I would repeatedly pass oncoming traffic with only an inch or two between the mirrors and the same on the other side.

I agree that the driving standard was better there than it is here. I think that may well be due to the heightened risk due to having more traffic on some very narrow, winding roads.

The story of the "million-point" turn was from a friend who sat and waited for twenty minutes while the buses passed on a hair-pin bend.

Black Knight

1st December 2015, 08:23

Meh. Weekly encounters over Akaroa Highway.

Or the back road to Russell,but here,along with fully laden logging trucks with trailers, it is tourists gazing at the scenery while they move to your side,or livestock heading to where the grass is greener,or the odd wild pig charging out of the bush at you and then the boy racers!!!
Still,a bloody good ride.

george formby

1st December 2015, 08:51

Or the back road to Russell,but here,along with fully laden logging trucks with trailers, it is tourists gazing at the scenery while they move to your side,or livestock heading to where the grass is greener,or the odd wild pig charging out of the bush at you and then the boy racers!!!
Still,a bloody good ride.

Yeah, that sums up most of our local roads. The white line is an optional guide and on the twisty gravel (Waikare / Karetu etc) some drivers have gone beyond one way system to my way system, using the whole bloody road and failing to move. I had to ride off the road side twice on Monday to avoid 4wd's being driven to fast on the right hand side of the road on left hand bends (for them). Would have been a much betterer vid if I had had the go pro
As somebody posted, crossing the centre line is average, to be expected. I don't have a lot of sympathy for the bloke in the vid, not exactly setting himself for success and no, I'm not stressed in the least. Something similar happens at least once every time I ride. I often see vehicles drifting over the center line on open stretches of road regardless of oncoming vehicles never mind something resembling a corner. Lights on, nobody in. It seems the centre line has a magnetic attraction for some.

Oh, you forgot milk tankers, house moving trucks, caravans and fish tailing trailers, my personal fav. :sweatdrop

leathel

1st December 2015, 11:44

It amuses me when people seek out the tight twisty roads..... then proceed to try and straiten them out by cutting all the corners :rolleyes: :laugh:

EJK

7th December 2015, 11:21

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12321473_10153787562198033_1250816601816722933_n.j pg?oh=8e9f68b21987dd22a9cb68de07a5d9db&oe=56F0BED7 (https://www.facebook.com/248330508672335/videos/vb.248330508672335/489382044567179/?type=2&theater)

https://www.facebook.com/248330508672335/videos/vb.248330508672335/489382044567179/?type=2&theater

Tazz

7th December 2015, 12:32

Fuckin morAn.

Moi

7th December 2015, 13:21

Fuckin morAn.

Sir, to whom do you refer?

Tazz

7th December 2015, 13:27

Sir, to whom do you refer?

Fine fellow, I of course refer to the downstanding genitalman wearing last nights dessert bowl on his scone while overtaking on an S bend that has clear visibility ahead and to the right, yet is still fucking it up by passing like a sheep behind his mate instead of using his owner peepers.

The sheep part is assumption, the moran part is definitely fact.

Toodle pip!

Muftin_

7th December 2015, 19:17

A bit more on the poor fellow

https://www.reddit.com/r/motorcycles/comments/3vmp1z/had_a_tractor_on_the_wrong_side_of_the_road/

Moi

7th December 2015, 19:29

sil3nt

7th December 2015, 19:34

A bit more on the poor fellow

https://www.reddit.com/r/motorcycles/comments/3vmp1z/had_a_tractor_on_the_wrong_side_of_the_road/
http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120921164818/dragonage/images/thumb/2/2a/Anchorman-well-that-escalated-quickly.jpg/500px-Anchorman-well-that-escalated-quickly.jpg

Gremlin

7th December 2015, 20:01

Did I miss the announcement? [in response to 'Had a tractor on the wrong side of the road through a blind corner'

The announcement about no longer having to ride so you can stop within the distance you can see ahead?
Is it the same guy again? Sheesh. I mean, I had a tractor in the back blocks yesterday, the road so narrow it was pretty much taking the whole thing. I found a handy section of shoulder and pulled over, let it pass and we gave each other a wave.

I mean, I should evidently have yelled, screamed and ridden into it? Yeah, doesn't sound like a plan for longevity...

buggerit

7th December 2015, 20:20

Is it the same guy again? Sheesh. I mean, I had a tractor in the back blocks yesterday, the road so narrow it was pretty much taking the whole thing. I found a handy section of shoulder and pulled over, let it pass and we gave each other a wave.

I mean, I should evidently have yelled, screamed and ridden into it? Yeah, doesn't sound like a plan for longevity...

A lot of the large tractors now have ground radar to measure speed over ground with wheel slippage etc, which I
pick up on K band on the radar detector, which means its a safety device:shifty:

Hubris

8th December 2015, 10:00

Suffice to say, the safe riding line through a blind corner on a rural road, is generally not the racing line.

leathel

8th December 2015, 15:49

https://www.facebook.com/248330508672335/videos/vb.248330508672335/489382044567179/?type=2&theater

Is it normal for those sport bike boys to have the ass of the seat on such a mild corner?

Moi

8th December 2015, 15:57

Is it normal for those sport bike boys to have the ass of[f] the seat on such a mild corner?

Stop asking those difficult questions...

I'm still trying to work out why there was two-way traffic on a race track? :crazy::wacko::eek5:

Erelyes

8th December 2015, 18:36

Fuckin' wish all these cager cunts would get outta my way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ClPFl_wC-k

nzspokes

8th December 2015, 18:40

Is it normal for those sport bike boys to have the ass of the seat on such a mild corner?

He needed to fart.

But yeah I wondered the same.

Erelyes

8th December 2015, 18:50

Fuckin' wish all these cager cunts would get outta my way

And the same dude. Fuckin' wish all these guardrails would get outta my way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sGve-GXMO0

He's pretty keen... breaks his mirror on a guardrail and still nails it WOT out of the corner.

SVboy

8th December 2015, 20:57

There possibly would have been a much safer gap if he did not have his bum over so far but maybe if the other rider had done the same he may have got a tighter line and not crossed the centre line.

Thanking you, Keith Code, all is clear now.....

Laz

8th December 2015, 21:23

Not me stolen from here: https://www.reddit.com/r/motorcycles/comments/3unujj/first_time_using_a_camera_on_my_bike_and_i_almost/

Without sound:
http://gfycat.com/ScalyPoisedArcticwolf

:baby:

It's a country road. Treat them like the Bogey Man is waiting around every corner and keep LEFT. (From someone brought up on country gravel roads)