According to New Zealand police spokeswaffles, we deserve to have our stuff stolen

[RDJ]

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503462&objectid=11560090

Apparently it's our fault thieves are thieves.

This is simply politically-correct evacuated content of bulls' colons.

Where there is a will there is a way and a shiny new car with lots of goodies can be too much of a temptation for an enterprising thief. The reason I am raising this issue is that a spate of carpark thefts have left police concerned and prompted a warning to people to "lock it or lose it". Hawke's Bay Police have told us they have seen an expected increase in thefts from cars as the weather heats up and people leave vehicles parked in scenic-spot carparks.

Pure Nonsense on Stilts. Just because something is visible, should not mean that it is offered up to be stolen. Thieves steal people's time, the time we spent working to buy what was stolen. Thieves should be sentenced to serious jail time because they have stolen people's time. The fact the police see fit to warn the people who own what is stolen, rather than spend time warning and catching the people who steal, speaks volumes of how politically correct and impotent the NZ police Hierarchy are. (Except when trying to frame up the innocents - Thomas, Watson, etc.)

I'm sure the representative Police Hierarchy Tongue-bathers will be out in force shortly to repudiate this post. Fine, bring it on.

[bogan]

Stop whinging, it's not like there is a 'theives today' where they can advise theiving cunts to stop nicking your shit, so why not advise the potential nickees to smarten up.

Lock it or lose it is shit advice for many spots anyway, few areas of HB where it's better to leave shit unlocked so you don't get a smashed window to add to the nicked goods. Mind you, still worth locking if you are in a soup kitchen prone area.

[RDJ]

Stop whinging, it's not like there is a 'theives today' where they can advise theiving cunts to stop nicking your shit, so why not advise the potential nickees to smarten up.

Lock it or lose it is shit advice for many spots anyway, few areas of HB where it's better to leave shit unlocked so you don't get a smashed window to add to the nicked goods. Mind you, still worth locking if you are in a soup kitchen prone area.

Well, you were very quick to prove my point. There is no possible logical reason why people should feel free to steal stuff without severe sanctions being imposed by both the police and the courts. You're demonstrating a very advanced case of Stockholm syndrome. Completely expectedly.

[bogan]

Well, you were very quick to prove my point. There is no possible logical reason why people should feel free to steal stuff without severe sanctions being imposed by both the police and the courts. You're demonstrating a very advanced case of Stockholm syndrome. Completely expectedly.

Of course not. But do you want to go door-knocking around flaxmere telling anyone who looks a bit shifty to stop nicking shit? Or have you come up with some other fantastic way to stop shit getting nicked out of car parks? Some people whinge about the state of things without doing fuck-all, while others will attempt to redress the problem from whatever angle they can; I'm happy about the group I fall into, are you?

[R650R]

Apparently it's our fault thieves are thieves.



Wellllllllllllllll if you REALLY feel you have the right to leave your wallet, ipad, phone and laptop on the front seat of your car in remote areas where from the carpark the thieves have a great view of if anyone is coming.... then be my guest.
I'd rather your car get broken into than mine.
Even the army/NZDF practice this mantra with leaving barracks or premises unsecure be regarded as equally low as thieving itself.

Most of what they are talking about happens in school holidays during which times I avoid many of these popular walkways. Feral late teens on welfare will smash your windows if it looks like something is in there, your dealing with the lowest common demoninator. Meanwhile the rest of us are paying for your laziness sin higher insurance premiums.

[RDJ]

Of course not. But do you want to go door-knocking around flaxmere telling anyone who looks a bit shifty to stop nicking shit? Or have you come up with some other fantastic way to stop shit getting nicked out of car parks? Some people whinge about the state of things without doing fuck-all, while others will attempt to redress the problem from whatever angle they can; I'm happy about the group I fall into, are you?

Yes, I'm happy with the group I fall into. I pay my way, and regard the people who don't as parasitic excrescences on the body politic. If you want to redress the problem about people stealing things, tackle the thieves not the people stolen from.

[jonbuoy]

Of course not. But do you want to go door-knocking around flaxmere telling anyone who looks a bit shifty to stop nicking shit? Or have you come up with some other fantastic way to stop shit getting nicked out of car parks? Some people whinge about the state of things without doing fuck-all, while others will attempt to redress the problem from whatever angle they can; I'm happy about the group I fall into, are you?

You mean something like a hidden speed trap at the bottom of a hill? Say a car left with a bag on the back seat in in a known area? Or a patrol car to swing by the hot spots every few hours? Are you mad? You know it will cost the government money to prosecute anyone they catch - no point in fining arresting someone who doesn't have any money.

[RDJ]

Wellllllllllllllll if you REALLY feel you have the right to leave your wallet, ipad, phone and laptop on the front seat of your car in remote areas where from the carpark the thieves have a great view of if anyone is coming.... then be my guest.
I'd rather your car get broken into than mine.
Even the army/NZDF practice this mantra with leaving barracks or premises unsecure be regarded as equally low as thieving itself.

Most of what they are talking about happens in school holidays during which times I avoid many of these popular walkways. Feral late teens on welfare will smash your windows if it looks like something is in there, your dealing with the lowest common demoninator. Meanwhile the rest of us are paying for your laziness sin higher insurance premiums.

I'm not lazy, I'm productive. I prefer not to subsidize the lazy, but since I am perforce paying taxes for the police, I expect them to enforce society's prohibitions against theft, not to encourage the ferals by advising their potential victims that it is the fault of people possessing stuff should they leave it visible. If you do not understand that concept, you are part of the problem and not part of the solution.

[bogan]

Yes, I'm happy with the group I fall into. I pay my way, and regard the people who don't as parasitic excrescences on the body politic. If you want to redress the problem about people stealing things, tackle the thieves not the people stolen from.

Does that mean you don't want to? Is all you are doing whinging about the state of things?

Edit: sorry that is not quite correct, I forgot to mention you're also whinging about how others are trying to help fix the state of things.


You mean something like a hidden speed trap at the bottom of a hill? Say a car left with a bag on the back in in a known area? Are you mad? You know it will cost the government money to prosecute anyone they catch - no point in fining arresting someone who doesn't have any money.

There we go, that's getting more constructive. But it's all policy change, I'd vote for it if it ever comes up, but what can we do in the meantime?

[RDJ]

I fully expected some to come out of the woodwork and say it is the fault of those who worked hard for material goods, to have made them available for people to steal. Predictable.

Any of you who have gone to a big bike rally in the US, will know that there are bait bikes out there with police watching to see who tries to steal them. A very good idea. IMO.

Of course, those of you who want to signal your virtue by feeling sorry for feral thieves and blaming the victims, will be unpersuaded. As the rest of us expect from low information voters.

[Ender EnZed]

People shouldn't pull out in front of motorcycles that have the right of way.

I guess in order to support this notion I'll go ahead and stop covering the brakes or paying any attention to vehicles approaching from side roads.

[tri boy]

Sharp machete, chopping block. Nuff said.

[P38]

Blunt machete, chopping block. Nuff said.

There fixed it for you Tri Boy.

Cheers
;pete

[yokel]

Sharp machete, chopping block. Nuff said.

Yo, you Muslim?

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[mashman]

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[Littleman]

Under the Prevention First model of Policing it's about saving as much money as possible. Outsourcing the work to the public/victims was always the easy option. Trying to teach or train common sense (such as hiding ones valuables out of sight) was always going to be a futile excersise.

Well done senior management in the NZ Police.

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[neels]

There will always be a percentage of the population who are fucktards that want to steal other people's stuff, as evidenced by the fact that a shithole like Australia has anyone living there, why would anyone have started an existance in such an inhospitable place unless they had been exiled for being a thieving prick.

Pretty simple rule in life is to be in control of your own destiny, such as not leaving shiny things where the inevitable scumbag thieves will want to steal it, it's easy to say they shouldn't steal much like it's easy to say that drunk slappers in short skirts shouldn't end up having sex with dubious consent, the reality is that it happens in the world so it's up to the individual to minimise their exposure to such things.

The police have better things to do than hang around to see if your wallet that you left in plan sight gets stolen.

[J.A.W.]

& over here in the former penal colonies/current police states, you will be fined for not locking your cage! I shit you not..

Now, the Islamites would have you hide your females away under lock & key when unescorted by their responsible men..
..but you wont hear the coppers upset Kiwi feminazis by suggesting a similar approach to avoid unwanted accostings of the distaff crowd, will ya..

[Tazz]

Some people whinge about the state of things without doing fuck-all, while others will attempt to redress the problem from whatever angle they can; I'm happy about the group I fall into, are you?

I'm not happy with how biased the popo are towards highway patrolling, however I mostly agree. You can never stop anyone stealing your stuff if they really want it, but you can slow them down or deter them.

Also, people say prostitution is the oldest profession, but I think stealing shit would have to out date that, shirley, so it's not a new problem.

[pritch]

Different way of stealing but... This guy is too thick to be a thief.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/75152064/man-sold-nonexistent-firearm-on-facebook

[Virago]

A while back Dunedin City Council decided to engage their parking wardens to put big "reminder" notices on the windscreens of unlocked cars, or those with visible valuables. They eventually caved into public pressure to can the idea, when it was pointed out that they were making life easier for thieves, who simply had to cruise around looking for the notices.

[husaberg]

Anyone see Seven sharp, I am not one for badmouthing the pollies but seriously how much more info do they need.............

[RDJ]

A while back Dunedin City Council decided to engage their parking wardens to put big "reminder" notices on the windscreens of unlocked cars, or those with visible valuables. They eventually caved into public pressure to can the idea, when it was pointed out that they were making life easier for thieves, who simply had to cruise around looking for the notices.

Precisely. The same retarded philosophy favours putting up signs saying 'gun free zones' so crims know where they can go and shoot and not get hurt themselves.

And do the people who favour this "hide everything and it won't get stolen" really believe that the crims don't read the same publicity - they will still break in and do damage looking for what has been hidden?

To deter thieves, catchment and punishment work; challenging them to a game of hide and seek where you can lose your valuables but they don't lose anything except time, doesn't work.

[bogan]

Precisely. The same retarded philosophy favours putting up signs saying 'gun free zones' so crims know where they can go and shoot and not get hurt themselves.

And do the people who favour this "hide everything and it won't get stolen" really believe that the crims can read the same publicity and still break and do more damage looking for what has been hidden?

To deter thieves, catchment and punishment work; challenging them to a game of hide and seek where you can lose your valuables but they don't lose anything except time, doesn't work.

One of the many things you are overlooking, is it's a lot easier to catch a thief if they are preoccupied playing hide and seek. Thus it is also a deterrent to the thieves to start playing hide and seek to begin with.

Also, you're jumping to some pretty piss-poor conclusion if you think we favor it over enforcement. As said earlier, problems can be approached from many different directions. Unfortunately for you, bitching about other people's approaches is not generally accepted as a meritable form of problem solving :laugh:

[R650R]

I'm not lazy, I'm productive. I prefer not to subsidize the lazy, but since I am perforce paying taxes for the police, I expect them to enforce society's prohibitions against theft, not to encourage the ferals by advising their potential victims that it is the fault of people possessing stuff should they leave it visible. If you do not understand that concept, you are part of the problem and not part of the solution.

But this is the level of dumbness you are dealing with http://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503462&objectid=11562119

Do you think tools like this are going to smash the windows of cars with nothing on display or go for the ones with shit clearly visible on front seats etc.....

Your analogy is like having a spunky trophy wife for a missus, getting her pissed up drunk and expecting to leave her in a meatmarket bar/niteclub while you go off ten pin bowling with your mates and not expect to come back three hours later and find her bent over the bonnet of someones car.... If you provide temptation someone lower down the food chain will bite.
Its like not leaving poisons and soappowders under the sink cupboards as you know your toddlers might be tempted to eat it thinking its food. I wonder if the defective parents who still let this happen are the same people who leave valuables in plain site....
Sometimes the simplest actions can prevent tragedy and curb other bad things such as petty theft which is prob contributing to someones p-habit.

Do you leave your bike unlocked because its your right to leave it unlocked?

[Banditbandit]

I'm not lazy, I'm productive. I prefer not to subsidize the lazy, but since I am perforce paying taxes for the police, I expect them to enforce society's prohibitions against theft, not to encourage the ferals by advising their potential victims that it is the fault of people possessing stuff should they leave it visible. If you do not understand that concept, you are part of the problem and not part of the solution.

It is not the police's job to enforce prohibitions against theft - it is the police's job to catch the people who break those prohibitions - this is not the same thing.

If you are stupid enough to ignore the commonly known fact that there are theaves in our communities and leave your stuff out ... then you're just demonstrating a blindness to a known risk ...

[RDJ]

It is not the police's job to enforce prohibitions against theft - it is the police's job to catch the people who break those prohibitions - this is not the same thing.

If you are stupid enough to ignore the commonly known fact that there are theaves in our communities and leave your stuff out ... then you're just demonstrating a blindness to a known risk ...

By all means, argue 'ad hominem' it can be entertaining.

But you may wish to consider for a moment the possibility that many of us are fully aware that leaving stuff visible to thieves is completely consistent with believing that potential thieves should be so terrified by the possibility of being caught and condignly punished by the crime and punishment system that they leave other people's stuff alone and spend some of their time on earth earning their own.

A novel concept, but one which perhaps you could embrace? I.e., stuff you spent your time working to buy, you could keep.

Try it out sometime, as a possibility.

[Ocean1]

By all means, argue 'ad hominem' it can be entertaining.

But you may wish to consider for a moment the possibility that many of us are fully aware that leaving stuff visible to thieves is completely consistent with believing that potential thieves should be so terrified by the possibility of being caught and condignly punished by the crime and punishment system that they leave other people's stuff alone and spend some of their time on earth earning their own.

A novel concept, but one which perhaps you could embrace? I.e., stuff you spent your time working to buy, you could keep.

Try it out sometime, as a possibility.

This is 2015. They start out not having to cut their hair 'cause that rule don't apply to them. Not only does dad say so but his lawyer says so.

Interpolate from there.....