Glad I didn't overtake! [Archive]

rocketman1

21st December 2015, 07:32

Was out riding west of Hamilton the other day.
Rounded a bend slowed down behind a Holden car, in front of that was a milk tanker.
They were travelling probably 60-70km/hr, so I slowed for a while
Rounding the next bend was a bit of a straight bit of road, nothing coming the other way.

So we do we bikers do ...OVERTAKE aye.

I indicated to over take the Holden, then saw the milktankers brake lights flick on for a split second.
This put a wee bit of doubt in my mind, so I held back.
A couple of seconds later a large dual wheeled tractor turned right, out from in front of the milktanker, straight across the road into a farm entrance.

I had no idea this tractor was there.
Any vehicle (car or motorbike) overtaking this milk tanker would have been toast.

I said to myself in my helmet "well I wasnt expecting that"

I hope at least one other person can learn something from this, as well as me.

I thank the milktanker driver who flicked on his brake lights.
Thanks buddy whoever you are.

Ulsterkiwi

21st December 2015, 07:43

thanks for sharing. A good example of why its helpful to give yourself enough of a following distance that you can see whats ahead of you.

Easiest thing in the world to sit up the ass of whatever is front of you getting ready to overtake. Sounds like you were well clued in to the warning signs!

carbonhed

21st December 2015, 09:24

Oooof! Easy to get sucked into something like that.

Seen a couple of mates launch themselves down a big row of cars only for the horse float at the front to turn right.... i couldn't watch.

haydes55

21st December 2015, 11:27

Look cassina! A magic future seeing rider who avoided an unavoidable accident by using their spidey sense!

scumdog

21st December 2015, 13:21

Had almost the same thing happen to me - only the tractor turned left into a driveway and the tanker moved to the right to get around it so I ended up on the narrow bit between the fog-line and the gravel verge at a great rate of knots as I passed the tanker.:shutup:

I had followed the tanker for a few km so its driver SHOULD have realised I was (a) there and (b) was in the process of passing him just before the tractor peeled off into the drive.

EJK

21st December 2015, 14:01

Funny I had a similar situation this morning in Prebbleton on my commute to Lincoln.

Was stuck behind a centipede of cars on an open road which were all behind a granny behind the wheel. Had a thought of overtaking them but decided not to cause I felt lazy and I was near Lincoln anyways. Soon later a car pulled out to right from Robinsons road because he saw how slow the granny was traveling.

Good call I said to myself and pat myself on the back for avoiding an unnecessary risk.

Jin

21st December 2015, 15:32

Glad you are okay

AllanB

21st December 2015, 19:39

Holden - that was the problem.

An alternative could have been if you had initially nailed it past them into hyperspeed you would have been past the tractor before it pulled out......

But, I think you did the right thing :niceone: been in similar situations recently where not nailing it past has been the right decision.

rocketman1

20th January 2016, 19:34

Yes After years of riding we tend to think we know it all aye.
Its situations like this that really wake you up to question your mortality.
I have thought about this a bit more, and figured had I been on my old GSXR I would have probably tried to pass the truck.
Its just the bike I was on was not quite as fast. Could have saved my bacon.

RGVforme

20th January 2016, 20:06

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Look cassina! A magic future seeing rider who avoided an unavoidable accident by using their spidey sense!

:killingme now that's pure gold....

Banditbandit

21st January 2016, 10:08

Yeah .. shit can happen in an instant ... the decision NOT to pull out when the tanker touched the brakes was the right one - good road awareness on your part ... that was not luck - that was well done on your part ..

OddDuck

21st January 2016, 13:02

Good call. Blind sight lines and shooting gaps - gotta be aware of what you can't see as well as what you can...

OddDuck

24th January 2016, 15:38

Near miss today - coming up to traffic lights, three lanes. Left lane is a mandatory turn left, there's a pickup truck in it indicating left. Car in the right lane. Middle lane's empty and going straight ahead.

Straight ahead is where I want to be, so that's what I aim at. Lights change to green, but only for straight ahead. Still a red arrow for turning left. I'm a car length behind the pickup and about to accelerate the gap when the dumb fuck at the wheel takes off and moves a lane right so he can go straight ahead.

No checking behind. No indication. He just did it. If I'd shot the gap I'd have been collected by his flank - or run into the corner of the tray - almost certainly an off, possibly into following traffic.

Following this incident I decided to take it easy the whole way home, which lasted about half the way home. Didn't stop me from noticing that a few car drivers really do drive as if they won their licenses from a box of cornflakes about two decades ago... some of them really are just fucking idiots!!

Glad I didn't overtake.

BTW: Ute driver was a mid-fifties white male tradie type, I didn't have a word. He knew he'd fucked up. I could see it. Decided a while ago that I was only going to do positive reinforcement on the roads, so far it's working out very well for me.

Drew

24th January 2016, 16:00

Toast? Sounds quite definite. Wish I could see into the future.

How fast did you intend on traveling by the time you reached the front of the tanker? Sounds to me like you were gonna ride like a fuckwit and thankfully thought better of it.

Duncan74

24th January 2016, 17:51

Glad I didn't overtake.

BTW: Ute driver was a mid-fifties white male tradie type, I didn't have a word. He knew he'd fucked up. I could see it. Decided a while ago that I was only going to do positive reinforcement on the roads, so far it's working out very well for me.

See, those blimin' foreigns are getting tricky now. After the key seizing of last year then they're avoiding campervans and 'juicy' rental cars in favour of stealth utes.

But seriously, good call by the OP, not jsut for avoiding the accident but using it as something to start a discussion here that may just help others.

Moise

24th January 2016, 20:21

Rural roads. So many hazards, especially in dairy farming regions. Milk tankers especially, because of their length and need to use the width of the road to turn into farm driveways.

WristTwister

24th January 2016, 21:16

When I see a second car behind another slow car in front, I like to give the second car a bit of space to over-take the car in front themselves, rather than pass both of them. There is always the chance the second car may decide to over-take at the same time as you and that could turn nasty.

gsxr

25th January 2016, 00:14

Many many years ago I had a situation that to this day has made me more aware of situational awareness on every ride.
Was a Ch Ch to Auckland ride useing state highways only when necessary. Well prior to GPS so all I needed to know was that I was heading north on my detours
I ended up on some windy hill road in central North Island (dont know where ) stck behind a logging truck for some time .I dropped back a little so i could see past it further up the hill for an opportunity to pass,
Road was clear from opposing traffic so I overtook only to confront a logging truck pulling out of a forestry road on the right going in the opposing direction.
My arse slammed shut harder than the pressure I had on the brakes.
That one experience taught me to expect the unexpected

Banditbandit

25th January 2016, 09:50

racingtothecafe

25th January 2016, 16:28

Road was clear from opposing traffic so I overtook only to confront a logging truck pulling out of a forestry road on the right going in the opposing direction.
My arse slammed shut harder than the pressure I had on the brakes.
That one experience taught me to expect the unexpected

One bad habit most drivers have (including yours truly) is turning left without fully looking what's there. We all do the cursory glance but the mind is mainly focused on the right because that's where the traffic flow is coming from. I'm pretty sure that's what happened to the oncoming trucky as well.

During a recent country drive, I was overtaking a slow classic car on a long stretch of straight. Plenty of visibility and dotted lines all along. However, halfway through, I realised that there is a driveway on the right. And I thought about the exact same situation that you've described.

What if a car came out of that driveway, turned left, and drove straight into me? Would've been a major suck. But given the nature of the road, I'm hardly going to be the last person to overtake on that spot. So I was wondering if the person living there has really really absolutely learnt to look left before turning onto the road, for the sake of many lives. It also reminded me that I should really force myself to look left in any case on any road, just as a good habit.

OddDuck

26th January 2016, 10:33

One bad habit most drivers have (including yours truly) is turning left without fully looking what's there. We all do the cursory glance but the mind is mainly focused on the right because that's where the traffic flow is coming from. I'm pretty sure that's what happened to the oncoming trucky as well.

During a recent country drive, I was overtaking a slow classic car on a long stretch of straight. Plenty of visibility and dotted lines all along. However, halfway through, I realised that there is a driveway on the right. And I thought about the exact same situation that you've described.

What if a car came out of that driveway, turned left, and drove straight into me? Would've been a major suck. But given the nature of the road, I'm hardly going to be the last person to overtake on that spot. So I was wondering if the person living there has really really absolutely learnt to look left before turning onto the road, for the sake of many lives. It also reminded me that I should really force myself to look left in any case on any road, just as a good habit.

All too true. The only wipeout I've had on the Ducati so far (fingers crossed) was exactly this. I was heading to the shops, leaving my street, turning left on a give way sign. I was halfway through the turn when I checked left, and lo and behold, there's a fucking cyclist right in the way. I emergency turned hard left, lost grip on the front, and promptly dropped the bike.

The cyclist was on the wrong side of the road, going the wrong way, shooting an intersection from behind a hard-edged fence. No visibility whatever. Absolutely retarded thing to do... I have never got so angry so fast in my life.

We had a conversation. It went like this:

"Are you OK?" (this from her, while I'm under the bike, in the gutter)

"WHAT THE FUCK WERE YOU DOING THERE?!" (I wasn't feeling very diplomatic)

The cops were called, at my request, and two cars were sent. Must've been a slow day... Anyway, we both ended up in separate cars getting a talking to. I don't know what they said to her. I do know that her reason for doing what she was doing was that it was a strong on-shore wind, waves were breaking at the edge of the road (it's by the sea), and she was nervous so she was riding on the inland side of the road. Older woman in her sixties.

I was gobsmacked to be cautioned for failure to give way, and was left with the bill for a broken windshield. The cops sent her on her way, allowing her to ride on the footpath and on the wrong side of the road to boot.

It was just shit.

swbarnett

26th January 2016, 12:12

I was gobsmacked to be cautioned for failure to give way,
While I sympathise this is exactly what I would've expected. Until you are fully through the give way you are not entitled to use the lane. There are any number of reasons that a cyclist could legitimately use the "wrong side" of the road. From your description it sounds like she was entitled to view her side of the road as blocked. In which case she was entitled to use the other side as long as it was clear, which it was.

OddDuck

26th January 2016, 12:28

While I sympathise this is exactly what I would've expected. Until you are fully through the give way you are not entitled to use the lane. There are any number of reasons that a cyclist could legitimately use the "wrong side" of the road. From your description it sounds like she was entitled to view her side of the road as blocked. In which case she was entitled to use the other side as long as it was clear, which it was.

Well said. Everyone I spoke to had the same reaction... the cyclist was 100% at fault... but that's custom, not the law.

The law was quite clear: on a give way, you give way. Full stop. What other traffic is doing doesn't come into it. The incident aside, I actually quite like that, it's crystal clear. Shame to find out about it that way, though.

varminter

27th January 2016, 20:39

Almost the same thing happened to me, got to the end of my street and some fucking retard on a pushey shot round the corner on my side of the road, I grabbed a handful and he just made it round me. I'm sure he was chemically enhanced. This is the reason we are not allowed guns.

rastuscat

31st January 2016, 21:35

Kornholio

1st February 2016, 11:24

rocketman1

6th February 2016, 09:59

I think it is good to push the safety videos on tv.
But most are around speeding, ie slow down, while that is a great start, I think more could be shown on how to prevent accidents in the MANY areas that cause death that are incidents ie involving changing lanes, vehicles turning left out of driveways without looking left for overtaking cars.
I could write a list of 100 items quite easily. This would help teach alot of new drivers...EXPERIENCE.

Speed kills but so do alot of dumbarse drivers doing silly inexperienced things, lets all learn from the mistakes, tv's a good start.
Why not spend some of the gathered ACC taxes on this sort of education.

A few years ago I remember seeing a tv documentary , expect the unexpected, where these drivers on a closed road had various hidden obstacles to avoid. One shot was videoed from inside the car as it passed a truck at the intersection, when they pushed a fullsize cardboard cutout of a car out from behind the truck into the path of the car as it approached. I nearly shat myself watching on tv, let alone being the driver of the car. Certainly had an effect on my driving through intersections for many years afterwards.

TV can be very powerful, we dont use its influence enough for vehicle safety videos.

buggerit

6th February 2016, 11:02

Maize will be coming off at the end of the month, so there will be tractors trucks and harvesters on the roads in numbers.

Being a driver of one of these tractors near misses are unfortunately are a daily occurrence(Not just bikes but cars, trucks, buses etc)

K band on your radar detector safety device can give you an early warning of larger tractors , as a lot have ground radar to measure
speed over ground without wheel slippage interfering in the calcs

Kornholio

6th February 2016, 11:10

K band on your radar detector safety device can give you an early warning of larger tractors , as a lot have ground radar to measure
speed over ground without wheel slippage interfering in the calcs

Did not know that, Yes all of our tractors and the Harvester has those

swbarnett

6th February 2016, 12:26

I think it is good to push the safety videos on tv.
They are a big waste of money. Even if they have a point (I can't think of one off hand that isn't blatantly wrong), the only people that take any notice of them are those who already have a safety focus. The intended audience is completely closed to this type of social engineering.

But most are around speeding, ie slow down, while that is a great start,
They do more harm than good. If they achieve anything it's to make already slow drivers terrified, and even slower.

Speed kills
Physics states quite clearly that this is absolutely untrue.

russd7

8th February 2016, 19:33

Physics states quite clearly that this is absolutely untrue.

personally have never heard of anyone that has died from excessive speed on the road, coming to an abrupt halt has done it to a few tho. as for the add that appears to lay the blame on a guy going a few KMs over the posted limit rather than the guy who pulled out of the intersection :doh:

russd7

9th February 2016, 18:43

You are dicing with death attempting a multivehicle overtake on a bike anyway as if any of the cars in front decide to overtake without seeing you coming up behind you will get hit.

ffs do you never actually ride, i do multi vehicle pass on most rides, yes i have had cars come out on me, most times i can slow up a little and tuck in behind but a couple of times i have been three abreast but never has it ever been close to being hit because i have seen what is happening and taken action either slowing down a little or gunning it and changing road position.
i have also twice this year already had oncoming traffic pull out to pass and have had to take evasive action buy scrubbing speed off and changing road position, i tend to ride with my eyes open so i can see what is happening around.

ahhh fuck i have just been trolled haven't I

granstar

9th February 2016, 19:50

Always been cautious to ensure plenty of distance in front and behind with passing truck and trailer units or rows traffic since an incident (unexpected lesson) years ago.
Was passing a t and t unit when the bike started to miss badly and a bit of evasiveness needed to keep safe before a head on. Plug leads had rattled out of the coils, and the fix was a tube of silicone, a later fix was buy a modern bike.:rolleyes:

But yep agree you need to be situationaly alert with any passing maneuver and read the road and traffic movement ahead and close. Good idea to suss out ahead of the vehicle intending to pass for unexpected like wind gust, tractors etc, if it's clear and room to get in safely why not go?
With my super powers I can predict that any traffic in front, are dickheads and so vigilantly watch for signs of any pulling out when passing, as then as well any dumb shit who pulls out to try to pass from behind when you have already indicated and started the move i.e a pre-planned escape route. Patience is a good thing.

Berries

9th February 2016, 22:13

You are dicing with death attempting a multivehicle overtake on a bike anyway as if any of the cars in front decide to overtake without seeing you coming up behind you will get hit.
Not if you ride with your eyes open and your brain engaged, something you really don't seem to be able to comprehend.

Banditbandit

15th February 2016, 13:02

So are you saying then that all the guys who die on multivehicle overtaking group rides only do so because they ride with their eyes closed?

Yes - and brain disengaged ...

PrincessBandit

16th February 2016, 16:35

Multi vehicle overtaking is just like any other risk - the level of risk varies situation to situation. If you can't be aware of your bubble and focus only on the blinkered tunnel in front of you you're not going to last long - whether multi car overtaking or not.

Banditbandit

17th February 2016, 11:20

I would say their eyes are very much open and brain focussed but only on trying to keep up.

Yeah .. "trying to keep up" is one of the things I would put under "brain disengaged" ... that's just stupid .. not worth the risk ..

baffa

17th February 2016, 14:31

Speed Kills

Physics states quite clearly that this is absolutely untrue.

I think you'll find that Physics demonstrates quite clearly how momentum and energy have a serious relationship with speed.

What you may have meant is physical speed is a very small factor, when allowing for accelleration, grip, road surface, conditions, attentiveness, colour of underwear etc.

(Proving you wrong to prove you right since 1983)

swbarnett

17th February 2016, 14:40

I think you'll find that Physics demonstrates quite clearly how momentum and energy have a serious relationship with speed.

What you may have meant is physical speed is a very small factor, when allowing for accelleration, grip, road surface, conditions, attentiveness, colour of underwear etc.

(Proving you wrong to prove you right since 1983)
What I meant is that a constant speed is quite safe. There's a number of astronauts that can attest to that after a few earth orbits.

What kills is a rapid acceleration greater that the body can withstand.

PrincessBandit

17th February 2016, 15:36

The risk increases with the number of vehicles you are trying to pass though as more of your time is spent on the other side of the road. That is the point I am trying to get across.

I'm sure even the idiots here understand that the longer you spend in the oncoming lane the greater the chance you'll meet something comin' at ya'.
On the other hand if you can see the way is clear for a long way then you're all good :) No risk if the lane is long, straight and clear. Make that "minimal" risk if the lane is long, straight and clear.

Banditbandit

18th February 2016, 09:55

The risk increases with the number of vehicles you are trying to pass though as more of your time is spent on the other side of the road. That is the point I am trying to get across.

Yes that is true. How does that change things?

scumdog

18th February 2016, 15:53

I'm sure even the idiots here understand that the longer you spend in the oncoming lane the greater the chance you'll meet something comin' at ya'.
On the other hand if you can see the way is clear for a long way then you're all good :) No risk if the lane is long, straight and clear. Make that "minimal" risk if the lane is long, straight and clear.

....with no driveways or gates on either side.

Kornholio

18th February 2016, 16:18

....with no driveways or gates on either side.
...with hedges and/or tree-lines.

PrincessBandit

18th February 2016, 16:51

....with no driveways or gates on either side.

:msn-wink: Must admit my thinking was more along the lines of highways or stretches of road without gates or drive ways. My brain doesn't comprehend why people would multi-pass in residential areas (which often have speed restrictions - and multi-overtaking often requires, ahem, greater than the speed limit to do).

FJRider

18th February 2016, 16:54

...with hedges and/or tree-lines.

I've seen plenty who have pulled out (turning left) on to a street/highway from a driveway (often their own) ... and not looking for traffic on their left. Only checking to their right.

How many people here do/have done exactly that from their own driveway ... ?? (City OR rural)

As always ... to be seen on the wrong side of the road/street .. they have to look for you there.

FJRider

18th February 2016, 17:03

swbarnett

18th February 2016, 17:05

:msn-wink: Must admit my thinking was more along the lines of highways or stretches of road without gates or drive ways. My brain doesn't comprehend why people would multi-pass in residential areas (which often have speed restrictions - and multi-overtaking often requires, ahem, greater than the speed limit to do).
Coming in to Tuakau there is a 70kph that often has people doing 50 with a queue behind. I've been known to pass up to three cars at a time on the 100kph stretch immediately before that for that reason. And yes, there is a driveway on the right and a school on the left. I won't do it if there are kids or other vehicles about.

Driveways are not a big deal if you're aware of them and prepared for the inevitable.

Today I pulled out to pass said three cars. Got past two and the front one put their right indicator on to go into said driveway. No drama. Because I was alert (not like someone here I could mention who shall remain cassina) I braked and pulled nicely in behind and passed them on the left.

Which brings me to another point. If one is going to pass more than one car make sure that there is an out between each pair of cars just in case. Stood me in good stead today.

swbarnett

18th February 2016, 17:08

I've seen plenty who have pulled out (turning left) on to a street/highway from a driveway (often their own) ... and not looking for traffic on their left. Only checking to their right.

How many people here do/have done exactly that from their own driveway ... ?? (City OR rural)

As always ... to be seen on the wrong side of the road/street .. they have to look for you there.
We were taught in school to look "right, left, right" before crossing the road. To me it was blindingly obvious when I learned to drive that it matters not a jot whether you're walking or driving.

FJRider

18th February 2016, 17:26

We were taught in school to look "right, left, right" before crossing the road. To me it was blindingly obvious when I learned to drive that it matters not a jot whether you're walking or driving.

I made NO mention of CROSSING the road ...

I did mention the turning LEFT onto a road ... which is not actually crossing the road.

eldog

18th February 2016, 17:43

I made NO mention of CROSSING the road ...

I did mention the turning LEFT onto a road ... which is not actually crossing the road.

Good to see FJRider is back:headbang:

rambaldi

18th February 2016, 17:52

I made NO mention of CROSSING the road ...

I did mention the turning LEFT onto a road ... which is not actually crossing the road.

When checking left and right you are checking for the initial section of the road. You are checking again when you come to the second lane. The check isn't the only check you should be doing when you cross all the way. At least that was how I was taught, but it has been a long time since I was last in a kindy :p

The reason you need to check there, when going across the whole street or just into the first lane is to make sure there aren't muppets there (either cutting a corner or over taking or a number of other issues) bah

FJRider

18th February 2016, 18:50

When checking left and right you are checking for the initial section of the road. You are checking again when you come to the second lane. The check isn't the only check you should be doing when you cross all the way. At least that was how I was taught, but it has been a long time since I was last in a kindy :p

The reason you need to check there, when going across the whole street or just into the first lane is to make sure there aren't muppets there (either cutting a corner or over taking or a number of other issues) bah

I was thinking more along the lines of a two way street or road. Not multi lane.

What checks should be done ... and checks that ARE done ... vary considerably ... (regardless of the intended direction of travel) but the turning LEFT onto a street or open road (from a driveway) ... usually gets fewer checks to the left.

rambaldi

18th February 2016, 19:06

I was thinking more along the lines of a two way street or road. Not multi lane.

What checks should be done ... and checks that ARE done ... vary considerably ... (regardless of the intended direction of travel) but the turning LEFT onto a street or open road (from a driveway) ... usually gets fewer checks to the left.

So was I, just using the term other lane to refer to the bit of the road going way opposite to the bit of the road you cross first.

FJRider

18th February 2016, 19:21

So was I, just using the term other lane to refer to the bit of the road going way opposite to the bit of the road you cross first.

if you are turning left onto a road ... you do no cross any lane.

This thread is about the risks of overtaking. And what you may encounter whilst overtaking.

Vehicles (usually locals) pulling out to the left from (hidden or not) driveways is always a risk ..

eldog

18th February 2016, 20:21

And what you may encounter whilst overtaking. Vehicles (usually locals) pulling out to the left from (hidden or not) driveways is always a risk ..

Farmers on trikes are good at appearing from behind hedges up our way, they head straight out onto the road often crossing the median in order to turn left.

Had also items like tractors turn right without indication or a car in front of large vehicle suddenly stop and turn right when they are out of sight in front of the vehicle I am following.

When overtaking I often see muppets on the other side turn left without looking - so bad is their driving they need to cross the median into my line of traffic, it pays to be aware.

Undertaking or Overtaking on a multilateral road can be fun too when the drag strip narrows to one lane less.

swbarnett

18th February 2016, 20:23

I made NO mention of CROSSING the road ...
Indeed, you are correct. The salient point I saw in that wisdom (which I omitted to mention) was crossing the threshold from footpath to road (or driveway to road, one road to another, lane to lane etc..)

I did mention the turning LEFT onto a road ... which is not actually crossing the road.
Again you are most definitely correct. However, as stated above, it does come under the category of "crossing the threshold".

swbarnett

18th February 2016, 20:27

Vehicles (usually locals) pulling out to the left from (hidden or not) driveways is always a risk ..
Don't think you'll get much argument there. I'll just add that it doesn't have to be left. I've had someone pull out of a driveway on the left side of the road and turn right across the traffic I was overtaking - right in to my path.

Daffyd

18th February 2016, 20:31

This was sent to me by a Facebook friend. The rider survived...

https://www.facebook.com/boykalbo/videos/10206929243524040

This happened north of Manila on, (I think) Valentine's day.

PrincessBandit

18th February 2016, 21:40

Just because you can't see a gateway or driveway ... doesn't mean there wont be one there ... :whistle:

The less time spent on the wrong side the better ... right .. ??? regardless of your speed ... right .. ?? or have I got it wrong ... again .. ??? :innocent:

Yes dear. :shutup:

The reality is that bikes are going to continue to pass multiple vehicles for the same reason dogs lick their balls - just because they can (as well as due to some strangely compelling need to sometimes). The safety or otherwise of this activity varies in different situations. The twats who do it "dangerously" are probably wired to do other riding stuff in this manner as well.

FJRider

19th February 2016, 16:09

Farmers on trikes are good at appearing from behind hedges up our way, they head straight out onto the road often crossing the median in order to turn left.

Had also items like tractors turn right without indication or a car in front of large vehicle suddenly stop and turn right when they are out of sight in front of the vehicle I am following.

When overtaking I often see muppets on the other side turn left without looking - so bad is their driving they need to cross the median into my line of traffic, it pays to be aware.

Undertaking or Overtaking on a multilateral road can be fun too when the drag strip narrows to one lane less.

The first three are common on deserted rural roads ... because they've done it so often ... it's just the usual driving behavior. They know where they're going ... so you should know as well ... they do it every day.

Even two lane roads ...with a 100 metres of straight road ... everyone wants a go at getting past. Even if the horsepower they have makes it a struggle. (or their position in the queue makes it difficult to achieve safely)

russd7

19th February 2016, 18:07

spent last week up in the BOP. had the misfortune to have to fly in to auck and rent a car and drive down then back, i was impressed tho by the motorcycle lanes in the middle of the roads tho i didn't see anyone actually using them. i particularly like the ones that had yellow lines on either side of the lane. :rolleyes:
wasn't at all impressed to see shiny new cheese cutters along the side of some of the newer sections of expressway, there were no hard objects on the other side of the cheese cutters for anything to hit so only served to stop muppets from driving in to the rather deep water table i guess.