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Phleep
23rd December 2015, 08:52
Hi Guys,
I only have one key & fob for my VFR800 and have investigated duplicating them myself. Blank HISS keys seem to be about $15 dollars on ebay and the cable to perform the task is about $50.
I have several questions:
Has anyone in the Wellington region already have the tools and blanks that I may borrow/buy?
Which would be the cheapest dealer to have them do it?
Where do you get the fobs from? I can't find them anywhere *yet*.
If I was to purchase the cables and blanks myself is anyone else interested in duplicates?
Cheers,
Phil
Phleep
24th December 2015, 19:50
With the assistance of a couple of guys on Facebook I have determined what I have is the Honda Averto Alarm. Now I just have to figure out how to make it do my bidding. I have also found where to duplicate my key/rfid and Averto fob.
AllanB
24th December 2015, 20:13
Any decent key-cutter will supply a matching key. Honda dealer will code it for you
MarkH
25th December 2015, 07:26
My previous ST1300 only came with 1 key, it seems risky not having a spare so I got Honda Hamilton to order me in a new HISS blank key. I took it to a key cutter to have it cut to match the existing key, it worked fine for turning the ignition after that. Then I took it back to Honda Hamilton to have them program the bikes computer to accept that 2nd key.
I can't remember what this cost, sorry.
My suggestion would be to go to a Honda dealer and ask about getting the key & fob, they should be able to tell you the price & availability.
bmws1r
27th December 2015, 07:27
Had one done couple of years ago, was $60 that was a new key, cut and programed ,could be a bit more now though.
Phleep
27th December 2015, 19:35
With Motomart not sounding very sure I may buy a couple of ID46 RFIDs and matching keys off e-bay if I muster up the courage. Otherwise I'll mish out to Palmy and get the Honda dealer there to sort it - he is definitely familiar.
If I do the former I'll put the result here for others. Should make it only cost ~$30 for a couple of keys to be coded.
Moi
27th December 2015, 20:31
I, too, had to get a spare key for the Honda [what is it with Honda owners, can't they keep the spare key safe??] and bought a blank, had it cut by a locksmith and had it programmed by a local Honda dealer. Can't remember the cost but that's irrelevant when you consider the cost involved if you lose the key...
Much easier than following the instructions for do-it-yourself programming - which I have somewhere...
Jacksonvfr
19th July 2016, 12:23
Pleep..
How did you go with this? As im currently in the same situation.
AllanB
19th July 2016, 20:57
Pleep..
How did you go with this? As im currently in the same situation.
Don;t know how he got on but a Honda Hornet HISS key and reprogram was something pushing $200 last year. Cheaper than losing the only remaining key though!
Phleep
20th July 2016, 00:05
Pleep..
How did you go with this? As im currently in the same situation.
I am intending to play it safe and go to the guys in Palmy but haven't quite got around to it - although I have driven there several times recently.
Still tempting to construct the wiring to do it myself but I think my wife would do nasty things if I managed to reset it entirely and lose the use of my current key.
Bike is worth more than our car so get a little paranoid. :drool:
I had a new key coded at motomart a couple of years ago - cracked CB900F key.
No issues, wasn't wildly expensive and pretty quick - I had the key pre cut.
Phleep
1st August 2016, 18:14
OK. I now have two aftermarket keys cut with ID46 rfid inside. I also have the cable required to perform the programming.
Unfortunately my battery just decided to die so the result will have to wait.
Assuming it turns out as easy as I expect it is far cheaper, and potentially quicker, than getting it done at a bike shop. The only issue I had was that since Mister Minit didn't have the same keys they refused to cut them in case it was done wrong. Beveridge Locksmiths agreed to under the caveat that if they did it wrong it was on me. I checked and they confirmed they had keys in stock that would work fine although lacking the rfid. This means if you need more keys you can get them from Beveridge Locksmiths and then purchase the ebay id46 rfids (available in packs of ten (http://www.ebay.com/itm/10PCS-High-Quality-ID46-Blank-Key-Transponder-Chip-for-Honda-Nissan-NXP-7936-/272148038667?hash=item3f5d49840b:g:ZBAAAOSwG-1W0Uqu&vxp=mtr)) which could then be glued to the key or fob.
Big Dog
1st August 2016, 18:28
I just bought one of these:http://m.ebay.com/itm/331915663835 from a guy in Poland with good rep.
Chip + key and free cutting from your tag ID.
According to my manual, you only need the programming cable if you don't have a working key.
I'll let you know how I get on if and when my key arrives.
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Phleep
1st August 2016, 21:32
I just bought one of these:http://m.ebay.com/itm/331915663835 from a guy in Poland with good rep.
Chip + key and free cutting from your tag ID.
According to my manual, you only need the programming cable if you don't have a working key.
I'll let you know how I get on if and when my key arrives.
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Ahh, I found him the first time I looked but couldn't find him when I went back to actually do it. Yeah, he would be a good option too.
My impression is that the cable is needed since you must put the ECU in programming mode (through the crank angle sensor connection I think) to add additional keys. You can't do it if you don't have at least one functional key beforehand. In saying that - Let me know how you get on, of course.
spanner spinner
1st August 2016, 22:41
Ahh, I found him the first time I looked but couldn't find him when I went back to actually do it. Yeah, he would be a good option too.
My impression is that the cable is needed since you must put the ECU in programming mode (through the crank angle sensor connection I think) to add additional keys. You can't do it if you don't have at least one functional key beforehand. In saying that - Let me know how you get on, of course.
Yes you are right you need the cable to put the ECU into programming mode so it will recognize the new keys.
Phleep
7th August 2016, 15:46
I can now safely say the process for adding keys to the bike is very straight forward. My only difficulty was due to the bike alarm (Averto) daisy chaining to the Pulse generator with different wire colours. Once I was confident that the white and yellow cabled red female plug was correct it went as planned. I followed provided instructions and referred to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db0ee6u7CjQ to clarify.
In case anyone is interested, here is the process:
Ensure you have your remaining key ready as well as the additional keys cut to match and tested in the ignition. The new keys will have to have ID46 RFID chips or they could be in an adjacent fob. You also need a cable with the same male connector as the pulse generator ECU connector on one end and red and black crocodile clips at the other.
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Unbolt the petrol tank with 8mm and 10mm sockets and raise it up to provide access underneath.
Locate the red plug with yellow and white wires and replace the male connection with the config cable.
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Now connect the crocodile clips to the battery.
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It should now look like this:
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With your original key turn the ignition to ON and ensure the HISS light stays lit. This indicates Diagnostic Mode.
Leaving it ON, disconnect the red crocodile clip for a few seconds, reconnect and ensure the HISS light flashes 4 times. This indicates Registration Mode.
At this point, the only key registered to the ECU is the one in the ignition.
To add more keys - turn ignition to OFF, remove key and move the key and its RFID away from the bike, insert new key and turn ignition to ON. After HISS flashes four times you can remove the key and repeat with additional keys.
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Now turn the ignition to OFF, remove the cabling and plug the pulse generator cable back in.
Attempt to start the motorcycle with the new keys.
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