The start of the GSXR 450 build

[Shaun Harris]

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[Shaun Harris]

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Bit of silicone, and bobs your aunty or your uncle. I cannot race my 10 year old bike against the current boys, due to the head port and polish work done too it. It is not faster than them, just a lot closer with it it done, but it is not allowed in the 600 class for the NZ champs.

[ellipsis]

Bit of silicone, and bobs your aunty or your uncle.

...Bob's not here man...

[Shaun Harris]

...Bob's not here man...


Bugger, have to call Bar bar ra then

[sidecar bob]

I cannot race my 10 year old bike against the current boys, due to the head port and polish work done too it. It is not faster than them, just a lot closer with it it done, but it is not allowed in the 600 class for the NZ champs.

Well thank fuck that novel approach is finally starting to catch on. :msn-wink:

[Shaun Harris]

Well thank fuck that novel approach is finally starting to catch on. :msn-wink:


Haha Bar- Steward

[merv]

What about your mate Robert Taylor, is he ever going to risk popping up again? We miss his wordy inputs on the forum.

[Shaun Harris]

What about your mate Robert Taylor, is he ever going to risk popping up again? We miss his wordy inputs on the forum.


No idea man, email him direct and ask him. I would be surprised if he did though, he spent shit loads of time on here awnsering questions, and that is not the norm for a m,an running a business

[AllanB]

Bob's the oil guy

[Shaun Harris]

Bob's the oil guy
He might be the slimy fuker, but TOTAL is my Oil guy! Nothing better

[Shaun Harris]

Motor Finished. Now out with the spray cans for the correct number board colour

[Mental Trousers]

I thought you were going to be old and slow?

[Shaun Harris]

I thought you were going to be old and slow?


I am, that is why Im going to the easy class. When Im really old and fuked, I will start racing those 3 wheel things again

[Mental Trousers]

I am, that is why Im going to the easy class. When Im really old and fuked, I will start racing those 3 wheel things again

If you can get close to those 5 that were battling toe to toe from start to finish at the Suzuki Series you'll find it's not the easy class, it only looks easy.

[Shaun Harris]

If you can get close to those 5 that were battling toe to toe from start to finish at the Suzuki Series you'll find it's not the easy class, it only looks easy.


I Will man. It depends on the grunt my bike puts out, which I believe will be good enough

[Mental Trousers]

I Will man. It depends on the grunt my bike puts out, which I believe will be good enough

You'll need 88hp from a triple to play with those guys.

[jellywrestler]

I am, that is why Im going to the easy class. When Im really old and fuked, I will start racing those 3 wheel things again

top three guys at Cem CCt on those three wheel things went under old lap record, apart from classic record being bettered no solo class did so, best you re think this...

[Shaun Harris]

top three guys at Cem CCt on those three wheel things went under old lap record, apart from classic record being bettered no solo class did so, best you re think this...



rrrrr, re think what dude?

[Shaun Harris]

You'll need 88hp from a triple to play with those guys.


Ill be fine thanks

[Drew]

I am, that is why Im going to the easy class. When Im really old and fuked, I will start racing those 3 wheel things again

Oh good. We'll have two cunts called Harris to tell to fuck off.

[Shaun Harris]

Oh good. We'll have two cunts called Harris to tell to fuck off.



Cool eh lol

[Kickaha]

Oh good. We'll have two cunts called Harris to tell to fuck off.

And fucken neither of them will listen

[jellywrestler]

Oh good. We'll have two cunts called Harris to tell to fuck off.

great skills, you've been round sidecars for five minutes and making enemies of the old boys already....

[Drew]

great skills, you've been round sidecars for five minutes and making enemies of the old boys already....

Nah, just can't be arsed listening to him.

[richban]

How much does it weigh yah think?

[scrivy]

great skills, you've been round sidecars for five minutes and making enemies of the old boys already....

Fuck off. It took Drew 4 seconds with most others.... :bleh::shutup:

[Shaun Harris]

How much does it weigh yah think?

No idea mate

[Shaun Harris]

Just did a wee test ride on the road, Nice and slow for safety obviously lol. Sure feels different, be interesting to see what it is like with a load of revs going on.

[Shaun Harris]

After riding her at Ruapuna today I am impressed! On track a great wee bike to ride. I still have not had this bike on a Dyno, and know it is quite lean down low and rather rich up top, but it still responds fine on the throttle, just a tad flat in places

[Mental Trousers]

A couple of good races so far Shaun, well done.

The backend grip of the 450 with your weight and bike set up is your big advantage as you're pulling meters on everyone including the SVs on the exit of corners.

[FROSTY]

If you can get close to those 5 that were battling toe to toe from start to finish at the Suzuki Series you'll find it's not the easy class, it only looks easy.
How do those words taste matey? :innocent:
gremlin like me cut his racing teeth on strokers. Clearly it all came back to him.

[Drew]

How do those words taste matey? :innocent:
gremlin like me cut his racing teeth on strokers. Clearly it all came back to him.
Love how you include yourself in that. The gremlin actually has some talent to go with what he rides.

[FROSTY]

Love how you include yourself in that. The gremlin actually has some talent to go with what he rides.
Do you actually have a point in that comment or are ya just wanting to get a reaction ?
I guess I just cheated the last time I raced and won club champs in superlite

[Mental Trousers]

How do those words taste matey? :innocent:

I was glad to see him do well.

However this weekend doesn't compare well with the Suzuki Series. Gav was there but didn't look like he was firing at all, Jacob blew an engine so Greg had to put the tired old one in (I think it's his original 450 engine from 5 years ago), I think Steve is out of hospital now but nowhere near riding yet, I don't know if Leigh has found another engine to replace his broken one and Sketchy wasn't there.

It'll be interesting to see how it all goes once they get to Hampton Downs (I'll be there for that one, trying not to finish last in my 2nd ever NZSBK weekend)

[Shaun Harris]

A couple of good races so far Shaun, well done.

The backend grip of the 450 with your weight and bike set up is your big advantage as you're pulling meters on everyone including the SVs on the exit of corners.



That is what you may think in a world of theory dude, it comes down to suspension set up " ALL DONE BY ME" and knowing when to twist the throttle. Gavs SV has a shit load more tourque than my 450, as proven of the start line each time, but I carry higher corner speed, and brake later.

[Shaun Harris]

That is what you may think in a world of theory dude, it comes down to suspension set up " ALL DONE BY ME" and knowing when to twist the throttle. Gavs SV has a shit load more tourque than my 450, as proven of the start line each time, but I carry higher corner speed, and brake later.

Thanks for the compliment though. And I will not get into a wanker on line fight with ya dude, over all that shit on this place. now FUK of DREW. A championship is about taking points every where, and some times good and bad luck helps make the final decision, we are a long way away from hom yet, but I am happy how things have started, considering I had never had this race bike on a track untill last thursday, and it still has not been on a Dyno, as said a few posts back by me " I am fine dude"

[Mental Trousers]

Thanks for the compliment though. And I will not get into a wanker on line fight with ya dude, over all that shit on this place. now FUK of DREW. A championship is about taking points every where, and some times good and bad luck helps make the final decision, we are a long way away from hom yet, but I am happy how things have started, considering I had never had this race bike on a track untill last thursday, and it still has not been on a Dyno, as said a few posts back by me " I am fine dude"

You'd have to do better than that if you want a fight online with me ;)

[Shaun Harris]

You'd have to do better than that if you want a fight online with me ;)

Appoligised to ya face to face a wee while ago for calling you a dick on here re some of your " Theory Comments" Shane, I will not be calling you nothing to start a fight or leave bitter memories dude. Peace out.

[Drew]

Do you actually have a point in that comment or are ya just wanting to get a reaction ?
I guess I just cheated the last time I raced and won club champs in superlite

Seemed you thought him doing what you did is a perfect recipe for success. My point was that you're not in the same league (by a very long shot), as Shaun.

[Shaun Harris]

Seemed you thought him doing what you did is a perfect recipe for success. My point was that you're not in the same league (by a very long shot), as Shaun.


He is a good bugger, great sponsor, but has no idea how long a piece of string is LOL- Dam car sales men

[Mental Trousers]

Appoligised to ya face to face a wee while ago for calling you a dick on here re some of your " Theory Comments" Shane, I will not be calling you nothing to start a fight or leave bitter memories dude. Peace out.

Mate, you take things on here a bit seriously. You might think you had something to apologize for but I didn't. It's all good.

[Autech]

I was glad to see him do well.

However this weekend doesn't compare well with the Suzuki Series. Gav was there but didn't look like he was firing at all, Jacob blew an engine so Greg had to put the tired old one in (I think it's his original 450 engine from 5 years ago), I think Steve is out of hospital now but nowhere near riding yet, I don't know if Leigh has found another engine to replace his broken one and Sketchy wasn't there.


As the saying goes though "That's racing", a race lost in the pits is still a race lost. When it comes to a championship Sean has given himself a good buffer I would think after one weekend. Anything can happen though.
Lets hope Sean gets that bike on a dyno, it certainly was getting through the corners rather well and wasn't hanging about on the straights.

[Mental Trousers]

As the saying goes though "That's racing", a race lost in the pits is still a race lost. When it comes to a championship Sean has given himself a good buffer I would think after one weekend. Anything can happen though.
Lets hope Sean gets that bike on a dyno, it certainly was getting through the corners rather well and wasn't hanging about on the straights.

Shaun is now the odds on favourite to take out the Superlite title no question. You can't beat a great start to a campaign and he's only dropped 5 points of 75 and given his experience, knowledge of the tracks and ability to set up a bike you've got to say he's the favourite.

His weight, the back end grip a 450 triple gets, his set up of the bike and he knows when to open throttle so he was getting out of corners really well.

[Shaun Harris]

As the saying goes though "That's racing", a race lost in the pits is still a race lost. When it comes to a championship Sean has given himself a good buffer I would think after one weekend. Anything can happen though.
Lets hope Sean gets that bike on a dyno, it certainly was getting through the corners rather well and wasn't hanging about on the straights.


No Dyno, it turned out they did not have the soft where to do it, so the same bike as last round, but that is cool, as I am not riding it as well as I can yet, so it will make me try harder this weekend. I know I should have gone at least 1.1 seconds a lap faster last weekend according to my written de brief too myself on saturday night aftyer the 1st race. But after 12 years of not leeding a race, it is bloody hard to stay focused and concentrate on the main job, rather than thinking where is every body, which naturally makes you ride slower and make little mistakes, as your focus is now being shared rather than focused on one job at a time.

[Shaun Harris]

Shaun is now the odds on favourite to take out the Superlite title no question. You can't beat a great start to a campaign and he's only dropped 5 points of 75 and given his experience, knowledge of the tracks and ability to set up a bike you've got to say he's the favourite.

His weight, the back end grip a 450 triple gets, his set up of the bike and he knows when to open throttle so he was getting out of corners really well.


I will be changing bikes to the SV650 for the nth Island rounds Shane, and running a Nitron shock and Nitron fork kit, so that will need a bit of set up time for my own liking. My settings are normally rather different than what the book suggests, due to my experience and history of suspension set up. And turning the 450 back into a F2 600 for Paeroa and then back into a 450 as a spare for the final NZ Champs round. Only the cost of a head gasket or 2 and a bit of time to re fit and remove valves etc, easy really.

[Muzzab]

Well done at Ruapuna Shaun, all the best for the next rounds.

Cheers
Muzza

[gsxr]

[QUOTE=Muzzab;1130937692]Well done at Ruapuna Shaun, all the best for the next rounds.

Cheers
Muzza[/QUOTE

Agree and all the best Shaun

But how are any of the younger guys going to win a GP if you old cunts with all the experience keep getting in front of them

Must be about time Stroudy gave it away as well Fuck I remember racing against him 3 decades ago .

[Drew]

Agree and all the best Shaun

But how are any of the younger guys going to win a GP if you old cunts with all the experience keep getting in front of them

Must be about time Stroudy gave it away as well Fuck I remember racing against him 3 decades ago .[/QUOTE]

I dunno if that's quite the right way to think about it. The new talent should have a good pace to strive for.

[ellipsis]

...the younger riders like Baillie and Matt Hoogie were pushing them thar more mature? riders to the limit...the youth in our game need this experience to chase and learn...one of the best ding dongs all weekend was between Baillie and Dennis, with youth stamping their mark...love them all, it's looking good for the future of the sport...

[Dreama]

I dunno if that's quite the right way to think about it. The new talent should have a good pace to strive for.[/QUOTE]

I agree with that as well ...... except perhaps if the old riders are taking the meagre sponsorship $ that are available away from genuine talent that don't have PR clout behind them and thus fade away.
It's a debatable issue though, the sport intrinsically is so fucking selfish that it's every man for himself when it comes down to it.
I have no idea if that's actually the case (the sponsorship bit that is ... the selfish bit is undeniable !!), it certainly doesn't seem to be so with Shaun.
I hope Andrew Stroud keeps going for a long time yet cos he brings a unique twist to NZ racing ... it just didn't seem right when he wasn't there.
On top of that, both Andrew and Tony (Rees) are doing an awesome job of bringing through their sons whilst still performing themselves which, as anyone that's dabbled in racing will know, is an exceptional achievement.

[Grumph]

Historically, when dad retired, the son(s) got the resources of the shop dad founded on his racing success put behind them. It paid dad as the name got publicity as did the brand he sold - and he didn't have to pay the riders...This went multi - generational in at least one instance i know of.
Now we have a scenario i've never seen before where the kids start at a much earlier age and dad keeps racing much longer.
I'd assume that if dad can attract good sponsorship money, at least some of that will rub off on the kids too.

Having the oldies still reasonably race fit and riding is a good thing as until you've seen up close some of the tricks of the trade, it's damm hard to go that quick.

[sugilite]

I feel it is important for old fast guys to be there. For the most part sponsorship is so minuscule out there, esp for the smaller capacity classes that it should not be seen as a issue. Shaun has always been a black belt 12th dan when it comes to getting sponsorship - a real gift of his that many a racer has envied. Though he took it too far in my opinion when he approached my then friend/sponsor and told him to drop me and spend his money on his guy. That was a dick move Shaun and yes, that side of your personality is cuntish in the extreme.
But back to faster old guys, the young can learn plenty, and how can they say they have made it if they do not beat everyone.

[Mental Trousers]

I will be changing bikes to the SV650 for the nth Island rounds Shane, and running a Nitron shock and Nitron fork kit, so that will need a bit of set up time for my own liking. My settings are normally rather different than what the book suggests, due to my experience and history of suspension set up. And turning the 450 back into a F2 600 for Paeroa and then back into a 450 as a spare for the final NZ Champs round. Only the cost of a head gasket or 2 and a bit of time to re fit and remove valves etc, easy really.

A spare bike is a necessity for NZSBK.

Are you going to run in F2 and F3 at Paeroa or not risk the SV?

[roogazza]

I feel it is important for old fast guys to be there. For the most part sponsorship is so minuscule out there, esp for the smaller capacity classes that it should not be seen as a issue. Shaun has always been a black belt 12th dan when it comes to getting sponsorship - a real gift of his that many a racer has envied. Though he took it too far in my opinion when he approached my then friend/sponsor and told him to drop me and spend his money on his guy. That was a dick move Shaun and yes, that side of your personality is cuntish in the extreme.
But back to faster old guys, the young can learn plenty, and how can they say they have made it if they do not beat everyone.

Lol I don't know bud,listening to Bert and Ernie on the CTAS thingy,the endless quoting of sponsors make it seem like everyone is getting free shit right thru the Grid. :yes:

Is this true ? or are they just quoting the different products as what are being used ?

I always remember a mate (Dave Hissy) saying to me once,"I ain't putting that on my leathers,they don't pay me" ! We were talking about Bell Helmet badges at the time.

[Drew]

Lol I don't know bud,listening to Bert and Ernie on the CTAS thingy,the endless quoting of sponsors make it seem like everyone is getting free shit right thru the Grid. :yes:

Is this true ? or are they just quoting the different products as what are being used ?

I always remember a mate (Dave Hissy) saying to me once,"I ain't putting that on my leathers,they don't pay me" ! We were talking about Bell Helmet badges at the time.

Most of it is just discounted shit through a deal from a wholesaler and shop. Fuck all free stuff for most riders.

[sugilite]

Lol I don't know bud,listening to Bert and Ernie on the CTAS thingy,the endless quoting of sponsors make it seem like everyone is getting free shit right thru the Grid. :yes:

Is this true ? or are they just quoting the different products as what are being used ?

I always remember a mate (Dave Hissy) saying to me once,"I ain't putting that on my leathers,they don't pay me" ! We were talking about Bell Helmet badges at the time.
Pretty much what Drew said, bugger all free stuff, mostly wholesale prices - which is still handy! I do not blame the industry, as they would not get much back on their investment due in part to the lack of mainstream coverage of NZ racing.

[FROSTY]

The sponsorship question comes up this time of year every year.
I'd suggest the question that needs to be asked is -why would a sponsor want to pour money into an unknown?
Im not being cruel here because the answer might well get that "unknown" some sponsorship.

Personally I feel its about fostering relationships and MAINTAINING those relationships. sometimes there is little or no immediate gain from it for the rider.

[FROSTY]

Pretty much what Drew said, bugger all free stuff, mostly wholesale prices - which is still handy! I do not blame the industry, as they would not get much back on their investment due in part to the lack of mainstream coverage of NZ racing.
Ya know I agree with you there BUT mainstream media is far from the only way of spreading the news.
Repeating a comment I made a year or two back. Nicko (nick odomatt) was grand master at letting his sponsors know how he was doing.
Shaun makes a point of reporting what he;'s doing. Sometimes that's all a sponsor needs.

[Shaun Harris]

A spare bike is a necessity for NZSBK.

Are you going to run in F2 and F3 at Paeroa or not risk the SV?


Both at Paeroa, and a spare bike is NOT a necessity at all, good planning and care of your bike is the only necessity

[Shaun Harris]

I feel it is important for old fast guys to be there. For the most part sponsorship is so minuscule out there, esp for the smaller capacity classes that it should not be seen as a issue. Shaun has always been a black belt 12th dan when it comes to getting sponsorship - a real gift of his that many a racer has envied. Though he took it too far in my opinion when he approached my then friend/sponsor and told him to drop me and spend his money on his guy. That was a dick move Shaun and yes, that side of your personality is cuntish in the extreme.
But back to faster old guys, the young can learn plenty, and how can they say they have made it if they do not beat everyone.



That was how many years ago dude? I am a different person to then, but you are welcome to drag trash out of the can if it makes you feel better :msn-wink: And note I was trying to get the support for another rider, not for my own racing! Business is business buddy, and that is what this game is, shame more do not treat it as such, it would be more professional, rather than a club scene that it is

[Shaun Harris]

Ya know I agree with you there BUT mainstream media is far from the only way of spreading the news.
Repeating a comment I made a year or two back. Nicko (nick odomatt) was grand master at letting his sponsors know how he was doing.
Shaun makes a point of reporting what he;'s doing. Sometimes that's all a sponsor needs.


Exactually buddy, my personel and world wide sponsors / supporters know all by the very next day

[sugilite]

Ya know I agree with you there BUT mainstream media is far from the only way of spreading the news.
Repeating a comment I made a year or two back. Nicko (nick odomatt) was grand master at letting his sponsors know how he was doing.
Shaun makes a point of reporting what he;'s doing. Sometimes that's all a sponsor needs.
I agree, a rider can spread the news many ways, and good on the riders that do!
What I'm talking about is will the average sponsor on the NZ scene, that gives away products, ever make that money back (and then some) due to the extra exposure gained? Very unlikely imo. Sponsors in NZ do it for the love and passion for the sport for sure. And good on them! On the whole sponsorship in NZ for commercial prosperity is a dead duck.

[sugilite]

That was how many years ago dude? I am a different person to then, but you are welcome to drag trash out of the can if it makes you feel better :msn-wink: And note I was trying to get the support for another rider, not for my own racing! Business is business buddy, and that is what this game is, shame more do not treat it as such, it would be more professional, rather than a club scene that it is
This is the first time I have ever talked about this on KB.
So you say you are different and then try to justify what you did in the next sentence.
Since you tried to justify it, you have left the door wide open for me to reply. You knew we were just a couple of mates doing it for the love and fun of it. So don't fucking try and make out it was anything to do with business. You were just trying to be the big hero and get your guy $$$, and trying to justify it as being "just business" just proves you are still a cunt underneath it all.
As mentioned earlier, sponsors do it for the love and passion in this country. That is why your "business offer" was politely declined.

[Drew]

This is the first time I have ever talked about this on KB.
So you say you are different and then try to justify what you did in the next sentence.
Since you tried to justify it, you have left the door wide open for me to reply. You knew we were just a couple of mates doing it for the love and fun of it. So don't fucking try and make out it was anything to do with business. You were just trying to be the big hero and get your guy $$$, and trying to justify it as being "just business" just proves you are still a cunt underneath it all.
As mentioned earlier, sponsors do it for the love and passion in this country. That is why your "business offer" was politely declined.

He's doing his best to not let on how big of a cunt he is, some people are buying it...most of us just humour him though.

[Shaun Harris]

I agree, a rider can spread the news many ways, and good on the riders that do!
What I'm talking about is will the average sponsor on the NZ scene, that gives away products, ever make that money back (and then some) due to the extra exposure gained? Very unlikely imo. Sponsors in NZ do it for the love and passion for the sport for sure. And good on them! On the whole sponsorship in NZ for commercial prosperity is a dead duck.


Bang on. it is done for good will PR, and because the person with the product or the cash likes you Only. Trying to find the ROI is like finding a needle in the hay stack

[Shaun Harris]

He's doing his best to not let on how big of a cunt he is, some people are buying it...most of us just humour him though.


Thanks for that Bro

[gsxr]

Until the sport is actively promoted and advertised then sponsers will be only ones with a love of the sport.
If meetings and series were advertised and reported more in the media then the gate takings would increase and a larger following of the sport paying for advertising cost and a better return through more exposure for sponsors. Just saying

[Shaun Harris]

Until the sport is actively promoted and advertised then sponsers will be only ones with a love of the sport.
If meetings and series were advertised and reported more in the media then the gate takings would increase and a larger following of the sport paying for advertising cost and a better return through more exposure for sponsors. Just saying


It is a club scene run by clubs, it is not treated as business, so will never grow. 20 600 bikes on the grid add up to how much? That is a business write there, but people just do not look at it that way sadly. I sent a letter to every single MNZ Road race licence holder years ago, and got fuk all replies from the pre paid envelope included, Nz Racers are basically a bunch a soft cock whingers, who are always looking for an excuse and some one else to blaim for there own failings, it has been that way since the day I started here, and not to mention the tall poppy syndrome, which was not so apparent untill the internet, some thing David Bowie said would be a killer way back when. We actually have some fukin awsome young talent here currently, and luckily for them and us, there families are in behind them, other wise they would also be whinging about lack of sponsorship and promotion.

[jasonu]

Anyone in NZ motorcycling that receives ANY sort of sponsorship should think themselves bloody lucky. It is not like (for example) Colemans will be inundated with extra customers all wanting to buy a brand new GSXR on Monday that saw a Colemans sticker on a race bike on Sunday. Most if not all motorsport sponsors in NZ do it for love, fun, interest... and get buggar all back for their money/product/discounted items.

[scott411]

It is a club scene run by clubs, it is not treated as business, so will never grow. 20 600 bikes on the grid add up to how much? That is a business write there, but people just do not look at it that way sadly. I sent a letter to every single MNZ Road race licence holder years ago, and got fuk all replies from the pre paid envelope included, Nz Racers are basically a bunch a soft cock whingers, who are always looking for an excuse and some one else to blaim for there own failings, it has been that way since the day I started here, and not to mention the tall poppy syndrome, which was not so apparent untill the internet, some thing David Bowie said would be a killer way back when. We actually have some fukin awsome young talent here currently, and luckily for them and us, there families are in behind them, other wise they would also be whinging about lack of sponsorship and promotion.

most nz racers are not "soft cock whingers" they are guys and girls that love racing motorcycles, they have no need or desire to go race the world and win, and a few that do, and they will find the way, i dont think you can make a path for them as such, as there is no defined path to the top, you have to take the oppurtunites you get, and win,

as for sponsoring motorsport in NZ, its an emotional decision, and can be very rewarding in that way when someone you support wins a major race, a NZ Championship or a world championship can be pretty dam awesome, but if you are looking at getting a ROI off it then you are pretty much dreaming, and that can be said for dam near every motorsport in NZ, no just bikes,

as for approaching someone elses sponsors, and trying to steal them, its a pretty low thing to do, but not that uncomman either, I knew someone that raced a NZ V8 and got sponsorship out of a pretty big NZ company that he spent alot with, part of the deal was that no signage was to go on the car, as all it did was create work for someone that was in the marketing dept dealing with poeple trying to get money,

[FROSTY]

changing the subject back to young guys VS old guys. If you raised the suggestion that older guys should step aside for young guns in any other sporting arena you would be laughed out of the room.
If the young guys want to win then put in the hard yards and effort it takes to get there and push to win.