Norton Dominator SS

[iwilson]

Just picked her up today. First one on the road in NZ of four allocated. Feeling the love.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/iwilson/Norton/image_zpslyxjbgby.jpeg

Megaphones are apparently insanely loud (which are included), so have left the stock pipes on till I hear one of the other bikes.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/iwilson/Norton/image_zps4wwwagkv.jpeg

With the stock pipes, not as bad in the flesh as I thought they may be.

[old rig]

Just picked her up today. First one on the road in NZ of four allocated. Feeling the love.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/iwilson/Norton/image_zpslyxjbgby.jpeg

Megaphones are apparently insanely loud (which are included), so have left the stock pipes on till I hear one of the other bikes.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/iwilson/Norton/image_zps4wwwagkv.jpeg

With the stock pipes, not as bad in the flesh as I thought they may be.
I heard one at the Isle of man

You will change them 😊

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[Akzle]

not my style, but fokken sikk oi.

[iwilson]

I've listened to the first 20secs of this vid 100 times.


http://youtu.be/MPSRiLp1lps

Apparently that's not close to real world. Next bike is being assembled with them and I've have asked to be there for 'first noise'.

[carbonhed]

Outstanding! You lucky sod.

[skippa1]

Just picked her up today. First one on the road in NZ of four allocated. Feeling the love.


Megaphones are apparently insanely loud (which are included), so have left the stock pipes on till I hear one of the other bikes.


With the stock pipes, not as bad in the flesh as I thought they may be.
that is sex on wheels....jealous

[nodrog]

why don't you just put the pipes on to have a listen?

[AllanB]

Very nice. Two fingers to Triumph aye.

Hmmm maybe I'll pull the db killers out of my Termis or chop them down further to the current modification I have done ....

[Mike.Gayner]

Officially jealous.

[iwilson]

why don't you just put the pipes on to have a listen?

Because it's at least a 3 hour job. Pegs move back, new gear and brake linkage etc. Here's the packing list. Everyone has warned me they are beyond 'Harley' loud. I asked the factory direct and got this back...


With regards to the noise, i think you might be surprised at how loud they actually are ! If memory serves me right i think we measured north of 130db when we first fitted the Megaphone style exhaust.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/iwilson/IMAG0033_zpsb2cf8px5.jpg

[nodrog]

Because it's at least a 3 hour job.....

yeah it looks like a big job.

[iwilson]

Very nice. Two fingers to Triumph aye.

Hmmm maybe I'll pull the db killers out of my Termis or chop them down further to the current modification I have done ....

Norton told me they're possibly bringing out db killers with a new engine map. So I'll probably wait a few months and see if anything eventuates. Norton has recently bought out an in between set which are apparently about right in the noise stakes, but weren't available when my bike shipped. I still prefer a tamed version of the megaphones.

Here's a regular Dominator with them fitted.

http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a449/glb1231/2015-11-19%2014.22.22_zpsdrbaigwr.jpg

[boman]

Wow. That is a stunning bike.

Congratulations. I am jealous.

[AllanB]

130db is ear splitting!

A decent exhaust fabricator would be able to make up some tidy db killers that will knock it back to a rowdy hundy .......

[tri boy]

Noice:love:

[DamianW]

Lovely bike, congratulations.

[Drew]

That's fucken gorgeous!




yeah it looks like a big job.


I'm with the cracker^^^^ on this one. Looks like 20 minutes work each side max.

[Big Dog]

That's fucken gorgeous!






I'm with the cracker^^^^ on this one. Looks like 20 minutes work each side max.
Dunno... might just gave to pull up a seat and admire the damn thing at least that long before even lifting a spanner.

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[iwilson]

That's fucken gorgeous!






I'm with the cracker^^^^ on this one. Looks like 20 minutes work each side max.

If it was I'd have done it! The 3 hours was from the mechanic at Cyclespot who fitted them to one of the other bikes. And he wasn't looking for business. Into day three now 130km on the clock, body going through a painful transformation period - local physio must be rubbing his hands together. Got rained on yesterday so can't be accused of being a sunny Sunday only rider! Going to get some of the shiny bits vinyl wrapped this week before they start to scratch up.

Just got a call from the dealer. They started up the first bike with the megaphones last night. At a modest 3,000rpm the bike could easily be heard several streets away. At 8,000rpm windows would break, etc. But going to ride up this afternoon (in the rain) to get a listen.

[nodrog]

Another successful sales brochure sale.

[iwilson]

Another successful sales brochure sale.

Best kind... No demo bikes in any case. 250km now and feeling pretty comfortable.

Shot a quick vid with the megaphones on. About what I expected, liked them alot but you'd get way too much attention. Fine up to about 3k, painful at 4k which is as far as they took it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKjTB5DACHw

In regard to fitting, turns out I could've pulled the old ones and just hung the megaphones to get a listen. But was a good excuse to get a few more k's knocked off.

[carbonhed]

Yeah. Ridiculously loud.

With a bike that gorgeous you don't need to be a twat about it.

[RoscoP]

Congatulations, it's an awesome looking (and sounding) bike. I look forward to seeing you out there sometime although I doubt that my bike will be able to keep up :brick:

[AllanB]

Silly loud. Is there any 'muffling' in the pipe?

Tell you what would suit is the Spark muffler - be a lot quieter and has a removable db killer. Need to be custom fitted with a link of some type most likely.

Almost got a couple to custom fit to my Ducati but then the dealer had a Xmas special on Termis with the Ducati performance ECU ......


http://www.fastbikegear.co.nz/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=872_3100_1639&products_id=5386

[iwilson]

Silly loud. Is there any 'muffling' in the pipe?

Tell you what would suit is the Spark muffler - be a lot quieter and has a removable db killer. Need to be custom fitted with a link of some type most likely.

Almost got a couple to custom fit to my Ducati but then the dealer had a Xmas special on Termis with the Ducati performance ECU ......


http://www.fastbikegear.co.nz/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=872_3100_1639&products_id=5386

No baffles just straight through. I had thought of going to Custom chambers in East Tamaki and getting another set made up. He's already done a 2 into 1 for a Commando.

http://www.customchambers.co.nz/bikes/european/norton_commando_961_02.jpg
http://www.customchambers.co.nz/bikes/european/norton_commando_961_01.jpg

[AllanB]

I like the pair of mufflers. Did the megaphones come with the bike as race options? Custom Chambers would be able to make a noise reducer for the ends.


Bloody nice bike - hows it ride? No doubt very smile producing.

[admenk]

Lovely, lovely, lovely, and once again, lovely :niceone:

[EJK]

Don't think KB had a decent thread since 2008. Very nice bike! :niceone:

[iwilson]

I'm doing my best to keep this thread interesting. Does anyone know if Norton still uses Lucas for electrics?

Just wondering as I sit here in the boonies somewhere on SH22, without a functioning fuel pump or starter motor. It would explain a lot...

[Trade_nancy]

[QUOTE=AllanB;1130941688]Very nice. Two fingers to Triumph aye.

That would depend at least in part on PRICE - how muchee to get two fingers worth over Bloor? I may wait to see the NZ shipment of 1200cc Thruxtons...before giving anyone the fingers.

[iwilson]

I like the pair of mufflers. Did the megaphones come with the bike as race options? Custom Chambers would be able to make a noise reducer for the ends.


Bloody nice bike - hows it ride? No doubt very smile producing.

Megaphones came with it. Will chew the fat for a bit before I decide what to do.

Going to come clean here - I don't have much in the way of yardsticks to measure it against. I only recently got back into bikes. Grew up riding a load of my Dads motley collection of BSA's Jawas etc. Spent a few years on a cafe racered Yammy RD400 which seemed insanely powerful at the time. I bought the Norton because if I didn't the opportunity might not come again. For what its worth suspension seems a little to track focussed (I do a lot of trackdays in a tin top so have some idea in that area), front ok but back hops around on bad seal/undulations. Seems to tip in quite nicely and no problems with quick changes of direction. Steering lock is hopeless but not surprising. Riding position aggressive of course and you'd struggle if you weren't in shape or getting a bit long in the tooth. But loving every minute or at least I was till this afternoon.

As you may have guessed from my previous post the ghost of Lord Lucas the Prince of Darkness himself reached out and struck me down in the middle of nowhere.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=319168&d=1454052223

A quick stop for a scenic shot you may be thinking...

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=319170&d=1454052240

ah no... Ironically a few years ago I attempted to cross the USA in a small British sports car - I did make it, eventually... But clearly didn't learn my lesson!

[sidecar bob]

I'm doing my best to keep this thread interesting. Does anyone know if Norton still uses Lucas for electrics?

Just wondering as I sit here in the boonies somewhere on SH22, without a functioning fuel pump or starter motor. It would explain a lot...

Did you actually ride it? There's the problem. I have a Norton, but only for looking at, the BMW is for riding.:bleh:

[iwilson]

Did you actually ride it? There's the problem. I have a Norton, but only for looking at, the BMW is for riding.:bleh:

Ding, just pulled out the f*cking manual. In big bold letters on pg. 1

Display model only

My bad, nothing to see here folks.

[Drew]

Don't think KB had a decent thread since 2008. Very nice bike! :niceone:

Fuck off, my sidecar build thread is awesome.

[Voltaire]

Nice around the Tuakau bridge part of SH22, did you see my Ducati 600ss rearset around there, it fell of a year or so back?

Lord Lucas is long gone....what you need to do is what the Classic Bike mags call 'Fettling"

I don't know Sidecar Bob....I'd rather be broken down on my Norton than ride a BMW :innocent:

[sidecar bob]

I don't know Sidecar Bob....I'd rather be broken down on my Norton than ride a BMW :innocent:

I'll remember to set the auto wave to two waves as I ride by:niceone:

[iwilson]

I'll remember to set the auto wave to two waves as I ride by:niceone:

http://cdn3.whatculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Nazi-Salute.gif

[pete376403]

Lovely bike (apart from the breakdown) but that number plate holder... Really?

[Voltaire]

I'll remember to set the auto wave to two waves as I ride by:niceone:

is that waves or bursts..?
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/89/02/45/8902456a1a2319d1546a2737c16436fb.jpg

[iwilson]

Lovely bike (apart from the breakdown) but that number plate holder... Really?

Yeah truly awful, hence sticking to back roads to hide the shame. Waiting for a square plate to arrive, then will get something fabricated so I can hang with the cool kids. Go to a showroom and you'll find most new bikes have the plate there. It's just that there's often an aftermarket solution ready to go. With the Norton the numbers are so tiny no one has bothered to my eternal shame!

[nodrog]

Rofllecopter!!!

[jonbuoy]

Nice around the Tuakau bridge part of SH22, did you see my Ducati 600ss rearset around there, it fell of a year or so back?

Lord Lucas is long gone....what you need to do is what the Classic Bike mags call 'Fettling"

I don't know Sidecar Bob....I'd rather be broken down on my Norton than ride a BMW :innocent:

Lucas are still going I doubt if any Lucas parts are lurking inside that Norton. Least they kept some of the original character (or unreliability as some people unkindly refer to it).

Usually are a few glitches with anything produced in small numbers. More like working prototypes than production models.

[sidecar bob]

Good on Norton for making it just like the olden days though.
It's probably equipped with an electronic shutdown in the ECU to turn the bike off at random intervals set anywhere between one day & one year, depending on the mood of the guy at the factory that was in charge of programming that Paticular unit just to make the British bike expierence that much more authentic.

[Voltaire]

For those who want a proper motorcycle not designed by someone from Mattel or reads Marvel comics.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/tourers/auction-960165458.htm
http://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/428446304.jpg

These will be turning up soon.
http://i.imgur.com/f7o02Oa.jpg

[sidecar bob]

These will be turning up soon.
]

Oh cool, the Triumph is still using Amal Monobloc's :innocent:

[Voltaire]

Oh cool, the Triumph is still using Amal Monobloc's :innocent:

Monojectors....:lol:

I wondered why it was a 270 crank....but imagine a 1200cc 360 degree parallel twin.
Guessing it will be a tad more than the previous 15K Thruxton....guessing mid 20'S

[eldog]

Good on Norton for making it just like the olden days though.
It's probably equipped with an electronic shutdown in the ECU to turn the bike off at random intervals set anywhere between one day & one year, depending on the mood of the guy at the factory that was in charge of programming that Paticular unit just to make the British bike expierence that much more authentic.

Are they still using 6 volt electrics?

I do like the look of the bike. But there is something that could be done under the bikes seat looks unfinished.

[Owl]

Guessing it will be a tad more than the previous 15K Thruxton....guessing mid 20'S

Good guess.:msn-wink:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/tourers/auction-1019567013.htm

[Voltaire]

Good guess.:msn-wink:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/tourers/auction-1019567013.htm

or the BMW R9T
http://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/409096577.jpg

As a sort of BMW/Norton/Guzzi fan I'm leaning towards the Thruxton.... not that I'm looking.

[sidecar bob]

or the BMW R9T
[/IMG]

As a sort of BMW/Norton/Guzzi fan I'm leaning towards the Thruxton.... not that I'm looking.

Closet BMW fag, you're worse than me, but you're trying to make me look like the bad one.:bleh:

[Voltaire]

Closet BMW fag, you're worse than me, but you're trying to make me look like the bad one.:bleh:

I'm horizontally opposed to that statement...Does the BMW have Bingjectors...

[sidecar bob]

I'm horizontally opposed to that statement...Does the BMW have Bingjectors...

No, they faced up to the fact that no new BMW buyer worth having gives a shit what modern technology looks like, as long as it does what it says on the packet.

[Grumph]

No, they faced up to the fact that no new BMW buyer worth having gives a shit what modern technology looks like, as long as it does what it says on the packet.

Saw an article on design years back, the German attitude is that they're selling modern technology - and it should look like it.
British version would appear to be selling memories. Yanks are selling a lifestyle....Italians are just selling style.

[sidecar bob]

Saw an article on design years back, the German attitude is that they're selling modern technology - and it should look like it.
British version would appear to be selling memories. Yanks are selling a lifestyle....Italians are just selling style.

Indians are selling transport, they're the only smart ones that haven't lost sight of the object of the exercise.

[Voltaire]

No, they faced up to the fact that no new BMW buyer worth having gives a shit what modern technology looks like, as long as it does what it says on the packet.

What did it say on the VW Diesel Packet?:innocent:

[AllanB]

$26k on the road eh?

I still cannot find the info I'd want if purchasing - weight, power and a actual ride review (all I have read a rehashed marketing bullshit).

$26,000, just reconfirmed I got a great deal on the Ducati and glad I did not wait to see what happened with the Triumph in 2016.


I do want to see the new Bonnie in the flesh - something is not gelling for me in the photos - it looks too fat around the engine or something. Reminds me of my old 1982 Kawasaki 750 twin - that was a huge lump of a alloy engine (of note it produced the same hp figures as the 'new' base 900 Bonnie about to be released ..... progress aye).

[skippa1]

Indians are selling transport, they're the only smart ones that haven't lost sight of the object of the exercise.
I can just see the new Mahindra motorcycle taking off here lol

[Voltaire]

$26k on the road eh?

I still cannot find the info I'd want if purchasing - weight, power and a actual ride review (all I have read a rehashed marketing bullshit).

$26,000, just reconfirmed I got a great deal on the Ducati and glad I did not wait to see what happened with the Triumph in 2016.


I do want to see the new Bonnie in the flesh - something is not gelling for me in the photos - it looks too fat around the engine or something. Reminds me of my old 1982 Kawasaki 750 twin - that was a huge lump of a alloy engine (of note it produced the same hp figures as the 'new' base 900 Bonnie about to be released ..... progress aye).

They are a bit coy on weight, some of the US Norton guys went to the show and the bikes were there to sit on but they were on fixed stands.
I've yet to see an independent review.
I would have thought they would have more power, but the target market is probably the 50-70 age group. On a light bike I only need about 50-60 HP to have fun, porkers need more.

[Owl]

porkers need more.

Yeah and I got that:laugh:

[deeknow]

Ding, just pulled out the f*cking manual. In big bold letters on pg. 1
Display model only
My bad, nothing to see here folks.

LOL .. absolutely gorgeous bike dude, well done. I'm sure you'll love it.

[sidecar bob]

I can just see the new Mahindra motorcycle taking off here lol

Yeah, looks like shit, I'd rather have a Hyosung. ;)
http://www.mahindraracing.com/our-bikes-gp-125.aspx

[iwilson]

Update: fault was a loose connection to the fuel pump relay. Proving once and for all this is a small and tiny world. A Kiwi mate living in Europe dropped by a couple of days ago. A mate of his has a son who's an apprentice at the Norton factory. He'll find out who assembled my bike and extract the urine.

Bike will be back tomorrow after getting paint protection film applied to the blingy bits.

[nudemetalz]

What a beautiful machine. Just love that Norton !!!!

I'm in the process at the moment with building up some loud mufflers for my Guzzi. The sound has given me some inspiration.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v677/turbo_NZ/imageV11_zpslaqpyx1q.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/turbo_NZ/media/imageV11_zpslaqpyx1q.jpg.html)

[iwilson]

The skill of a good fabricator is truly a wondrous thing. Here's a set of Guzzi pipes Custom Chambers in NZ made up. Not my cup of tea but good skills!

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/iwilson/Norton/Clipboard01_zps90v4bhay.jpg


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/iwilson/Honda%20conversion/Yettobesorted064.jpg
But taking it to a whole new level was this manifold made for my track day car. Talk about an orgy of snakes - it really should have gone straight into in a museum!

[nudemetalz]

Sheezus!!
Those twisted headers on that Daytona are rather extreme...not my cuppa either but I appreciate the craftsmanship that's gone into them.

[del-solider]

The skill of a good fabricator is truly a wondrous thing. Here's a set of Guzzi pipes Custom Chambers in NZ made up. Not my cup of tea but good skills!

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/iwilson/Norton/Clipboard01_zps90v4bhay.jpg


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/iwilson/Honda%20conversion/Yettobesorted064.jpg
But taking it to a whole new level was this manifold made for my track day car. Talk about an orgy of snakes - it really should have gone straight into in a museum!

Nice! K20'd lotus?

[iwilson]

Well spotted. Got sick of getting monstered on the straight bits. So was one of the first to fit the Honda. First one went bang not long after but second has been thrashed for 10 years and still going strong.

Here's a lap of my fav circuit Spa not long after I did the conversion - just love the sound of that engine!


http://youtu.be/AY0kfHAyZLU

[sidecar bob]

Well spotted. Got sick of getting monstered on the straight bits. So was one of the first to fit the Honda. First one went bang not long after but second has been thrashed for 10 years and still going strong.

Here's a lap of my fav circuit Spa not long after I did the conversion - just love the sound of that engine!


That's funny when the tacho hits the stop & it keeps on revving for a few seconds.

[iwilson]

Yeah original engine redlined at about 6.5 and tachometer went to 8k. Honda red lines at 8,600rpm lol

I shipped the Lotus to Florida and did a bit of a road trip to LA when I moved back to NZ - managed to squeeze in a track day at Laguna Seca and more bike orientated did the Tail of the Dragon in Tennessee which some of you may have ridden or heard about.

Anyway managed at one point to pin both needles - taking a picture was not a smart move at the time and the resulting speed wobble focused the mind!

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/iwilson/speed.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/iwilson/Dragonstailsmall.jpg

[iwilson]

Bike was returned Friday afternoon. CycleSpot were chuffed to bits with the job the paint protection film guy had done. Only thing was he had forgotten to refit the rear tyre hugger. Something I noticed but no one else had... Wasn't fussed and told them to just courier it out. But good on them they sent one of their boys out to make the 100km round trip. Arrived at 7pm and even fitted it for me. In fact I came out well ahead when they bunged me an official Norton t-shirt for my trouble.

Removed the standard mirrors today and fitted some bar ends - much improved imho. The plate is doing my head in. Ordered a square plate but really struggling to find somewhere to fit it. No way will it fit under the tail unless horizontal. Tried side mounting to the swing arm but not convinced. Options are to suck it up with the stock location. Go back to a rectangular plate, which might just fit depending on max suspension travel. Or get a smaller 'show' plate made up - any recommendations?

Next up are the pipes, something similar to the megaphones but not stupidly loud.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/iwilson/Norton/IMAG0053_zpspcrnwizu.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/iwilson/Norton/IMAG0049_zpssmhuqcfo.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/iwilson/Norton/IMAG0056_zpsdc8owjsy.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/iwilson/Norton/IMAG0059_zpsswhw814z.jpg

[eldog]

Here's a lap of my fav circuit Spa not long after I did the conversion - just love the sound of that engine

awesome thread dude.
loved the detail on the pipes - so smooth
enjoyed the lap around Spa - great to get that sort of perspective, did sound good too
nice work on the wrap of the bike - good idea

excellent all round job.:Punk:

[nzbrownie]

Hi Guys im the owner of the bike in this video i presume. Yup its loud. I have a contact that norton gave me who has made a number of baffels for these megaphone pipes so will get some made and fitted here. Watch this space...

[Voltaire]

How did lardy old Moto Guzzi's get in a thread about cool bikes?:gob:

[GrayWolf]

How did lardy old Moto Guzzi's get in a thread about cool bikes?:gob:

:spank: cheeky shyte, that's a classic motor, belongs full well in that company :argue:

[Voltaire]

:spank: cheeky shyte, that's a classic motor, belongs full well in that company :argue:

I can only think of two.:rolleyes:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Moto_Guzzi_V_7_Sport_1972.jpg

http://www.bikez.com/pictures/moto%20guzzi/1976/10542_0_2_3_750%20s%203_Submitted%20by%20anonymous %20user..jpg

[GrayWolf]

I can only think of two.:rolleyes:

Pffff the motor 2 valve is now the longest running engine in production, HD changed with the EVO in the 80's.
Mind you, have to admit as much as I have a huge soft spot for Guzzi's, that Thruxton looks damn sexy, if I decide to go back to a big twin???

[nzbrownie]

320600320600320600

[iwilson]

Nice, how does it sound in comparison? Mine is currently getting a new system fabricated, essentially a replica of the megaphones but retaining the O2 sensors and improving the ground clearance a bit. Should be ready in a couple of days.

[sidecar bob]

look what I found.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/SearchResults.aspx?searchString=norton+domiracer&type=Search&searchType=all&user_region=100&user_district=0&generalSearch_keypresses=10&generalSearch_suggested=0&generalSearch_suggestedCategory=

[iwilson]

look what I found.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/SearchResults.aspx?searchString=norton+domiracer&type=Search&searchType=all&user_region=100&user_district=0&generalSearch_keypresses=10&generalSearch_suggested=0&generalSearch_suggestedCategory=

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/iwilson/image_zpskzyrmlvu.jpeg (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/iwilson/media/image_zpskzyrmlvu.jpeg.html)



Nice - big update coming tomorrow... There's been some downs and some up's...

[iwilson]

A lot and nothing has happened over the past month or so...

At the beginning of March the bike went in for its first service. I'd been told this would take a few hours and since I was travelling up from Pukekohe to the North Shore it made sense to hang around. Unfortunately this was based on an assumption by the service department, an assumption that was immediately proven wrong by the Norton technician who said it would take at least a day since the head had to be re-torqued and this could only happen when the engine was stone cold. Bugger, missus phoned, negotiations take place which end up costing me an expensive lunch at the waterfront. Got a mate to drop me off the following week and rode her back to Pukekohe.

Pull up at work and am immediately engulfed in a cloud of smoke.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwB47lqR34M

Oil is leaking from the airbox. CycleSpot is called and they come down to pick the bike up the following day. This is a known issue, something to do with the crankcase breather arrangement. I'd assumed it had been sorted by now but clearly not (and odd I'd had no issues up to this point). CycleSpot inform me there is a fix from Norton and it's been ordered. Two weeks go by and I've had enough of waiting. So I decide to try and get something positive from the situation. I get CycleSpot to transport the bike to Peter at Custom Chambers in East Tamaki to get a custom exhaust system fabricated. I don't like the stock system both for looks and noise. The megaphones are just stupidly loud. I ask Peter to fabricate a replica of the megaphones but with enough baffling to sound good without pissing everyone off. I also want to retain the O2 sensors to help with part throttle fuelling - the factory megaphones have no O2 sensor bungs.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/iwilson/Norton/DSC00124_zps2pokrbij.jpg


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/iwilson/Norton/DSC00125_zpsyafpdyhb.jpg

O2 sensors nicely hidden from view.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/iwilson/Norton/9b0df5d7-a6af-4218-b7ba-39c64a9e176d_zpswlseyw5n.jpg

The finished product.

Shot a quick vid - note, the camera mic picks up to much engine noise it sounds way better in real life.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYynNYzfaJM

I haven't heard a peep from CycleSpot all this time, but my gaze is now very much turning in their direction...

More to follow...

[sidecar bob]

How awfully quaint, re torquing a head.
Great looking system though, well done.:niceone:

[nzspokes]

Thats a really nice set of pipes.

[Banditbandit]

Thats a really nice set of pipes.

Yes ...

(+ 10 fucking characters)

[iwilson]

Anyone played around with a GoPro on their bike? Video is fine but the audio is utter shite. Clearly need an external mic, have ordered a GoPro external mic adapter will play around with it next week.

Mucked around with it today.


http://youtu.be/qxkpDdFbyFI

[iwilson]

I took the bike up today to Brett Roberts at B.R.M well known in the community for tuning. There was a couple of reasons I wanted to do this:


Ensure the air fuel ratio (AFR) was within safe limits.
Compare the megaphones to the stock system.


Due to the prevalence of modern computer controlled engine management systems there is very little you can do other than observe without spending large amounts of money. I know most of you are up to speed technically but for those who are not - the ECU controls fueling via two methods.


Closed loop - using data from the O2 sensor/s to constantly adjust the AFR to hit a programmed target. Mostly at part throttle steady state throttle settings.
Open loop - generally at wide open throttle positions, the ECU relies on pre-programmed fuel maps. It is operating blind, with the fuel/ignition map developed around a certain intake/exhaust configuration.


By changing from the stock pipes to the megaphones the AFR would be affected in open loop conditions and it was important for me to ensure that the engine was still operating within safe limits. Some may be surprised to hear that the megaphones were down 4hp compared to the stock system - no doubt this is gutting for all the backyard tuners who think louder must be faster lol. Although it was slightly higher in the mid-range. This all comes down the fuel and ignition maps within the ECU. The bike runs a bit richer with the megaphones at the top end and therefore produces less power. Lower down the fuelling is a little more optimum for the megaphones. With access to the ECU it would be relatively simple to alter the mapping to suit the new megaphones and probably gain another 10hp or so. Manufacturers are generally conservative when developing maps for obvious reasons. The numbers below are at the wheel so add on approx. 12% to get a flywheel number.

Anyway here's a quick edited video of some of today's action (we did three runs on each exhaust system).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liNvdgOgZTo

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/iwilson/Norton/961%20torque_zpsdiyn0xzu.png

HP vs. Torque curve

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/iwilson/Norton/961_zps23ngpjdm.png

HP vs. AFR curve

[Ssr]

Hello yestarday I finally got my Dominator ss #72 and I have the mega phones installed and the sound level is too much for me,I also lost torque.

Oem exhaust with cats are horrible for this great bike,so I just found this threat and it was very usefull for me !

Now I know I have to install a db killer or baffle and also reconect the lambda sensors.

I will do several mods to this bike but this issue is just ridiculous and I have to solve it asap.

Cant believe nowbody has a super nice inox perf exh ready to install to offer for sale.

[AllanB]

Who's selling theirs?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=1070723682

[iwilson]

Who's selling theirs?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=1070723682

Not me! I know the owner, I think he's been tempted back to the 'Red side', after a ride on the new 959.




Cant believe nowbody has a super nice inox perf exh ready to install to offer for sale.

Not enough bikes to justify an aftermarket supplier being interested. I'm getting the megaphone map installed this week. There's no guarantee that the O2 sensors will work since the factory megaphones don't have them installed by default but I'll find out soon enough.

[Ssr]

How can I reflash my ecu?

[iwilson]

How can I reflash my ecu?

Take it to your dealer. I've posted a load more specific info on the Access Norton forum here:

Access Norton (http://www.accessnorton.com/dominator-owner-journey-t23522.html)

[iwilson]

Thought I'd post a quick update... Bike has had its ups and downs. The downs have been primarily electrical in nature and specifically the f*%ing fuse box cover vibrating off, followed shortly there after by a relay or fuse. Solved by tie wrapping the bastard cover on. Thwarted only by the dealer removing the tie wrap, thereby leading to another break down in the middle of nowhere... :facepalm:

Anyhow, it's British, it's rare, expensive and somewhat unreliable. Get it on track I hear you all say. Done a hundred on four wheels but never one on a bike. I think the Nortons the perfect machine to pop that cherry. :2thumbsup


https://youtu.be/buzVGSzsJME

[nzspokes]

Are you bottoming the forks under braking? That looks real close.

[iwilson]

No, 20mm left below the rubber band marker.

[CrisCst]

Hi, I just joined this forum and the Norton world. On n’y way to get à Dominator Naked and questioning about noise and fitting baffle. Finally Iwilson, your new pipes look great. Is the nose more acceptable - no complain ? And for how much did you got the pipes. ? For those who get baffle fitted, did it made it ?
Thanks !!

[pritch]

Hi, I just joined this forum and the Norton world. On n’y way to get à Dominator Naked and questioning about noise and fitting baffle. Finally Iwilson, your new pipes look great. Is the nose more acceptable - no complain ? And for how much did you got the pipes. ? For those who get baffle fitted, did it made it ?
Thanks !!

Cris, this thread is two years old. You might try using the private message option to contact him. He might then get an email advising him of your message.

Good luck.

[iwilson]

Hi, I just joined this forum and the Norton world. On n’y way to get à Dominator Naked and questioning about noise and fitting baffle. Finally Iwilson, your new pipes look great. Is the nose more acceptable - no complain ? And for how much did you got the pipes. ? For those who get baffle fitted, did it made it ?
Thanks !!

Still here! Yes noise is great. The bike came with factory megaphones, which were insanely loud. I had a local fabricator make up an identical set with baffles. Custom Chambers (https://www.customchambers.co.nz/) His design actually improved on the original by using rubber mounts to the frame to stop them from cracking with the vibration. My bike sounds a lot better today, I replaced the stock ECU with a programmable ECU, other than more power, a better idle I get some nice pops and bangs on over run. Are you a member of Accessnorton yet? If not you should be, loads of info.

[Laava]

There was one at the NZSRA drags on sat just gone in Meremere with the megaphones and my god it was loud! Even the straight pipe harleys seemed quiet in comparison...

[Bonez]

There was one at the NZSRA drags on sat just gone in Meremere with the megaphones and my god it was loud! Even the straight pipe harleys seemed quiet in comparison...Holey thread nacra. Running out of content Laava. You are repeating yourself lately. Of course $150 EMGO Dunstall replicas would quieten the bike without payiing an arm and a leg.

[Laava]

I repeat something once and some pedantic little puppy dog, following me around, starts humping my leg! Down boy, down! Bad dog!

[Bonez]

You mean I'm not on ignore deary?

Here's how it works gorgeous. If someone makes a post some one is likely to reply. Going back 5 months is a bit umm how shell I put it, ahh deserate, that's it.

And in case you haven't figured it out yet the helpful Mods are responsable on whether that content stays or gets shifted to PD.

Did that sink in?

[Laava]

My post was on topic. Not sure what your fascination is with trying so deperately to troll me. Small minded at best

[Bonez]

My post was on topic. Not sure what your fascination is with trying so deperately to troll me. Small minded at bestMy remark about EMGO mufflers was valid sweety pie. Not only Dunstall reps but reverse cone, shorty cafe, BMW rep , bafled megaphone as well as others. They last as well the reverse cone on the 550 is over 20 years old. Paid $98 for it.

[Laava]

Bro there is nothing valid about putting shitbox Emgo mufflers on a top end motorcycle.
And can you stop hitting on me? Nobody likes a moustachio'd creep calling them pet names, it is not the Blue Oyster Club you know! Back on ignore you go you obsessive little creep.

[Bonez]

Bro there is nothing valid about putting shitbox Emgo mufflers on a top end motorcycle.
And can you stop hitting on me? Nobody likes a moustachio'd creep calling them pet names, it is not the Blue Oyster Club you know! Back on ignore you go you obsessive little creep.Awesome. Btw I'm not little. It's been illuminating communicating with you.

You obviously don't know EMGO at all. They distribute a whole range of spares for British shitters and metrics.