big thumbs up for the cops

[WINJA]

ITS GOOD TO SEE SOME COPS DOING THE MORAL THING FOR ONCE ,WHEN THEY PUT OUT THAT PAMPHLET ABOUT THAT KIDDY FIDDLER WITH HIS PHOTO AND LOCATION THEY GOT SOME CRED BACK IN MY BOOKS , A COP SOME COP SAID FUCK THE LAW FUCK THE RULES LETS SAVE SOME KIDS , AND HE DID , I HOPE THE REST OF THE SYSTEM CAN DO THE MORAL THING NOW AND NOT GIVE HIME THE $50,000 HES AFTER IN COMPENSATION .
UNFORTUNATELY FOR US THE BIGGEST CUSTOMERS OF BONDAGE PARLOURS ARE JUDGES AND LAWERS , UNBALANCED PEOPLE BEING JUDGES SUX.
IF I WERE A JUDGE ID TELL HIM TO FUCK OFF , THAT PEDOPHILE DESERVES THE RANDOM BEATINGS HE GETS , HE SHOULD BE UNCOMFORTABLE, HE SHOULD BE LOOKING OVER HIS SHOULDER , IF HES KEPT BUSY KEEPING ALIVE HE HAS LESS TIME TO DO WRONG .
I HOPE THE COMMUNITY RALLIES ROUND THE COP RESPONSIBLE AND GIVES HIM THE SUPPORT HE NEEDS TO CONTINUE THIS SORTA WORK WHICH WILL ENCOURAGE OTHER COPS TO DO THE RIGHT THING

[John]

I am with you big guy.

[marty]

maybe the fathers/brothers of the kids this guy has interefered with could knock on his door and ask for their kid's compensation.

[Waylander]

If someone like you can get behind the cop for his actions WINJA, I'm sure the comunity will do so in no time

[Sniper]

Good call Winja

[WINJA]

maybe the fathers/brothers of the kids this guy has interefered with could knock on his door and ask for their kid's compensation.
THIS FUCKER NEEDS A BULLET , HES FAILED REHABILITATION 3 TIMES, NOT THAT I BELIEVE IN REHAB FOR THESE TYPES.
THE OFFENDER OWNS NOTHING , CANT READ OR WRITE ,HAS NO JOB AND LIVES IN A FREE HOUSE , HE AT LEAST NEEDS PREVENTITIVE DETENTION

[Storm]

Ditto to that. Promote that man. Thats one copper who sleeps the sleep of a clean conscience

[soundbeltfarm]

why waste a bullet when a few hammer blows will cost nothing but a little energy...

[myvice]

why waste a bullet when a few hammer blows will cost nothing but a little energy...
Don’t think I could stop at a few... Being the nice person I am I would want to keep him alive and conscious for as long as possible, could be weeks!

[Lou Girardin]

I'm not defending the fiddler at all.
But it sounds like you all would like to give the Police the right to enter anyone's property at any time without a warrant.
Just remember that what applies to paedophiles also applies to everyone else.
That's why it's called one law for all.

[vifferman]

I'm not defending the fiddler at all.
Yeah, me neither (I am a parent, and would hate for my kids to be molested).
However, you are wrong, WINJA. The cops job is to uphold the law, not interpret as they see fit. What next? We don't like the look of that WINJA guy and his roof is unpainted, so let's lock him up in the cells for a few days for disturbing the peace.
These bloody sprotsbike riders are a blardy nuisance speeding around the backroads. Let's make an example of a few - say we caught them at 160km/h in that 70 km/h zone near the country hall, and impound their bikes. Oh yeah - and they resisted arrest, so we had to give them a wee truncheoning/pepperspraying and lock them up to cool down.

[Sniper]

lock them up to cool down.

All this talk about locking people up to cool down. I would just prefer a glass of cold water :whocares:

[Postie]

Yeah, me neither (I am a parent, and would hate for my kids to be molested).
However, you are wrong, WINJA. The cops job is to uphold the law, not interpret as they see fit. What next? We don't like the look of that WINJA guy and his roof is unpainted, so let's lock him up in the cells for a few days for disturbing the peace.
These bloody sprotsbike riders are a blardy nuisance speeding around the backroads. Let's make an example of a few - say we caught them at 160km/h in that 70 km/h zone near the country hall, and impound their bikes. Oh yeah - and they resisted arrest, so we had to give them a wee truncheoning/pepperspraying and lock them up to cool down.

The colour of a roof or speeding is hardly in the same category as child molestation.
Kids are defenceless against evil fuckers like this.

[Lou Girardin]

The colour of a roof or speeding is hardly in the same category as child molestation.
Kids are defenceless against evil fuckers like this.

Everyone is equal under the law.
I know that's what I said in my earlier post, but you didn't seem to pick up on the concept.

[bugjuice]

that prick won't get anything..
but for fuck sake - who gave him that TelstraClear hat? :oi-grr:

[idb]

UNFORTUNATELY FOR US THE BIGGEST CUSTOMERS OF BONDAGE PARLOURS ARE JUDGES AND LAWERS , UNBALANCED PEOPLE BEING JUDGES SUX.

That's a mighty big assumption there buddy.
I wish it to be known that I'm neither a judge or a lawyer.

[Patrick]

I'm assuming he was dealt with in open court, open to the public, results open to the public, so a member of the public advises other members of the public of the results...just like any member of the public can do, but in this case it's a copper (who when I last looked, is also a member of the public...).

Unsure what the problem is here... good on him... Invite him to your place to play with your kids Lou, since you support him so much...

[thehollowmen]

That's a mighty big assumption there buddy.
I wish it to be known that I'm neither a judge or a lawyer.

And people into BDSM aren't usually pedophiles either...

[Patrick]

And people into BDSM aren't usually pedophiles either...

Too true... at least they know what they like, with "consenting" adults...

[Fart]

ITS GOOD TO SEE SOME COPS DOING THE MORAL THING FOR ONCE ,WHEN THEY PUT OUT THAT PAMPHLET ABOUT THAT KIDDY FIDDLER WITH HIS PHOTO AND LOCATION THEY GOT SOME CRED BACK IN MY BOOKS , A COP SOME COP SAID FUCK THE LAW FUCK THE RULES LETS SAVE SOME KIDS , AND HE DID , I HOPE THE REST OF THE SYSTEM CAN DO THE MORAL THING NOW AND NOT GIVE HIME THE $50,000 HES AFTER IN COMPENSATION .
UNFORTUNATELY FOR US THE BIGGEST CUSTOMERS OF BONDAGE PARLOURS ARE JUDGES AND LAWERS , UNBALANCED PEOPLE BEING JUDGES SUX.
IF I WERE A JUDGE ID TELL HIM TO FUCK OFF , THAT PEDOPHILE DESERVES THE RANDOM BEATINGS HE GETS , HE SHOULD BE UNCOMFORTABLE, HE SHOULD BE LOOKING OVER HIS SHOULDER , IF HES KEPT BUSY KEEPING ALIVE HE HAS LESS TIME TO DO WRONG .
I HOPE THE COMMUNITY RALLIES ROUND THE COP RESPONSIBLE AND GIVES HIM THE SUPPORT HE NEEDS TO CONTINUE THIS SORTA WORK WHICH WILL ENCOURAGE OTHER COPS TO DO THE RIGHT THING


VOTE WINJA FOR MINISTER OF JUSTICE !

:done: :headbang:

[Lou Girardin]

I'm assuming he was dealt with in open court, open to the public, results open to the public, so a member of the public advises other members of the public of the results...just like any member of the public can do, but in this case it's a copper (who when I last looked, is also a member of the public...).

Unsure what the problem is here... good on him... Invite him to your place to play with your kids Lou, since you support him so much...

What is it with our pro-Police members, that they only see what they want to? Read the post Patrick, especially the first line.
They entered his house without a warrant and photographed him. Apart from that I don't have a problem with the rest of what they did
I know it's stupid of me, but I expect cops to obey the law too, not just enforce it.

[**R1**]

why do kiddy fidlers have rights??? in my book they gave any rights they had away when they offended....fuck the law in this case i say....nb: this is just my opinion...


if i had my way they wouldnt be around long enough to re-offend....ta da no problem....

[Ixion]

I'm not defending the fiddler at all.
But it sounds like you all would like to give the Police the right to enter anyone's property at any time without a warrant.
Just remember that what applies to paedophiles also applies to everyone else.
That's why it's called one law for all.

While I agree with you on the general point, perhaps one might distinguish on the basis that the prson in question is a convicted felon?

There is a prevalent opinion that if a person has done a Very Bad Thing, and been sent to gaol, then when they are released all is forgiven and they are on the same footing as a person who has never offended. I do not agree with that opinion.

IMHO a person who has been convicted of crimes like kiddie fiddling forfeits some of their rights to privacy and such like even after release. In the same way , if someone has been convicted of embezzlement, they would not , and should not, expect to be able to be employed in a position of financial trust after release.

Note that I am not saying that this is the law. Just that it bought to be

[Lou Girardin]

IMHO a person who has been convicted of crimes like kiddie fiddling forfeits some of their rights to privacy and such like even after release. In the same way , if someone has been convicted of embezzlement, they would not , and should not, expect to be able to be employed in a position of financial trust after release.

Note that I am not saying that this is the law. Just that it bought to be

So where do you draw the line? Which crimes are so heinous that you forfeit certain rights? Effectively becoming an outlaw.
Do you remember when a mans home was his castle?
Right now in NZ, some crimes are so bad that the Police have the power of road side punishment without trial. Would you like that extended?

[scumdog]

What is it with our pro-Police members, that they only see what they want to? Read the post Patrick, especially the first line.
They entered his house without a warrant and photographed him. Apart from that I don't have a problem with the rest of what they did
I know it's stupid of me, but I expect cops to obey the law too, not just enforce it.

I missed this item on the news (or whatever programme) so who said the Police entered his house without a warrant and photographed him?
Seems a little odd (and waste of time) given the Police would already have his photo on the computer system.

[Waylander]

Right now in NZ, some crimes are so bad that the Police have the power of road side punishment without trial. Would you like that extended?
Only problem I see with that is that thier priorities are fucked. Offences that are meaningless get severe punishment while more sever offences get meaningless punishment.

[TonyB]

It's a tricky one eh? But I reckon the cop who did this would have done it out of desperation. He'd know that his career was on the line, although he probably didn't think the slime bag would take him to court. I don't know the full story, but this pedophile was reoffending while on parole, right? If thats the case then the cop would have been desperate to stop him from ruining some other kids life. If that's the case then while maybe the cops methods left a bit to be desired, his intentions were admirable. The system was failing the victims- could you sit back and watch it happen again?

IMHO, if someone commits a henious crime like that against an innocent child, then they have to expect to loose some of their basic rights. Children should be protected from 'people' like this guy at all costs. The children are innocent, the pedophile is an evil subhuman piece of pond scum, who ruins innocent lives for his own sexual gratification or power trip or whatever the fuck it is that makes these scum do what they do. Maybe there'd be less of them if they KNEW that wherever they went, and whatever they did, everyone around them would know who they are, what they are, and what they've done.

[Ixion]

So where do you draw the line? Which crimes are so heinous that you forfeit certain rights? Effectively becoming an outlaw.
Do you remember when a mans home was his castle?
Right now in NZ, some crimes are so bad that the Police have the power of road side punishment without trial. Would you like that extended?

Line seems easy. What used to be called felony. Used to be a thing called being a "notorious felon", also.

Don't agree with road side punishment as a general principle. But if the police stop someone for DIC . He's disqualified, and has a record of gaol time for similar offences. Don't reckon he's entitled to the same treatemnt as someone who's never before fallen foul of the law .

What I'm saying is that after doing the time and being released from gaol , they're still criminals. Convicted felons. And I don't reckon that criminals should have the same rights as honest folk.

And for the avoidance of doubt, by criminal I mean someone who's done a major crime.Not speeding, no WOF etc. (Those used to be called misdemeanours) .

[Lou Girardin]

Felonies and misdemeanours are Merkin concepts, we've never used the terms.
But the question still stands, which crimes are so heinous as to warrant unforgiveness..
When does a criminal finally expiate their guilt?
If a child is innocent, what about a harmless hitch hiker?
If you're severly provoked and accidentally commit manslaughter , when will you stop paying for it?
I'd be very, very careful about supporting the removal of anyones rights, it's just a small step to doing it to us.

[TonyB]

The thing is a child is absolutely innocent when it come to sex. They don't even understand what is happening. They couldn't possibly think "oh this guy might be a bit dodgy- is he befriending me because he wants to rape me?" They trust adults without question- sure they are taught about 'stranger danger' but it's been proven that even a supposedly wise kid can be tricked into getting into a car with a nice old man and lady, or befriended by a 'nice' man. They are taught to do what adults tell them. TV teaches them that 'nasty' people LOOK nasty- if the guy offering them lollies looks and acts nicely, they probably don't suspect a thing.

I can see where your coming from Lou, but the fact is that kids aren't worldly enough to deal with a preditory pedophile. The rights and safety of kids should ALWAYS be put before those of a convicted pedophile.

[Ixion]

Felonies and misdemeanours are Merkin concepts, we've never used the terms.
But the question still stands, which crimes are so heinous as to warrant unforgiveness..
When does a criminal finally expiate their guilt?
If a child is innocent, what about a harmless hitch hiker?
If you're severly provoked and accidentally commit manslaughter , when will you stop paying for it?
I'd be very, very careful about supporting the removal of anyones rights, it's just a small step to doing it to us.

Nope, felony is an English legal construct. We had them too, until the passing of the Criminal Code Act 1893.

When do they expiate their guilt ? Never. You can't unbreak an egg.
You can forgive a person their ill deeds. Doesn't mean you should trust them in similar circumstances. Same logic applies to all crimes, but the EFFECT of the taint differs. Someone convicted of embezzlement ? No worry aropund children, but should not be able to take a position of financial trust (would you want to trust your saving to someone who just came out of jail for embezzlement ? Don't you think you should have the right to know?) . Kiddy fiddler , yeah OK to get a job as accountant - but don't let him near schools. Murdered a hitchhiker - probably depends on why , but would you want to go for a ride with him once he's released?

I am in general very jealous of legal rights. But a convicted criminal by definition loses those rights on conviction.So it not " a small step" to applying it to the rest of us - the rest of us would have to be convicted of a "serious" (ie = felony) crime, first.

[Lou Girardin]

I know what you're saying. But I find it difficult to accept that say, a 19 year old convicted once of serious assault should always, for the rest of his life, be penalised by society for that one offence.

[spudchucka]

I missed this item on the news (or whatever programme) so who said the Police entered his house without a warrant and photographed him?
Seems a little odd (and waste of time) given the Police would already have his photo on the computer system.
Exactly what I was thinking too. If they needed a photo wouldn't you just take it covertly with a telephoto lens? I can't see any reason why the person who created the flyer would have to enter the guys house in order to snap a photo.

[spudchucka]

I know what you're saying. But I find it difficult to accept that say, a 19 year old convicted once of serious assault should always, for the rest of his life, be penalised by society for that one offence.
He's not and if you imply that he is or will be then you are scare mongering.

[NC]

THIS FUCKER NEEDS A BULLET , HES FAILED REHABILITATION 3 TIMES, NOT THAT I BELIEVE IN REHAB FOR THESE TYPES.
THE OFFENDER OWNS NOTHING , CANT READ OR WRITE ,HAS NO JOB AND LIVES IN A FREE HOUSE , HE AT LEAST NEEDS PREVENTITIVE DETENTION
I thought they chemically castrated them?

[NC]

that prick won't get anything..
but for fuck sake - who gave him that TelstraClear hat? :oi-grr:
I had a responce to that, but I'm sure people wouldn't like it :psst:

[Ixion]

He's not and if you imply that he is or will be then you are scare mongering.

Well, in some areas he is . Overseas travel for instance, if he has to apply for a visa. And some jobs - like the police ?

Guess there can be an argument made that a veil should be drawn over past transgressions after the offender has PROVED he's turned over a new leaf. But that means going for a goodly number of years without reoffending, not immediately he's released on parole.

[Phurrball]

WINJA, good sir, there is such a thing as due process, and the rule of law. I doubt you would like it if the police made up the rules as they went along if you were in the gun.

We are judged as a society by how we treat the lowliest pond-scum.

[DevoDave]

The colour of a roof or speeding is hardly in the same category as child molestation.
Kids are defenceless against evil fuckers like this.
Then work towards getting the law changed. No one likes a perverted bastard like that so to ensure they are kept off the streets work within the law and get it changed

[Ixion]

Then work towards getting the law changed. No one likes a perverted bastard like that so to ensure they are kept off the streets work within the law and get it changed

I agree. These evil perverts painting their roofs unapproved colours are a threat to the integral fabric of our decent society, and an offront to all right thinking people. To protect the interests of mainstream New Zealand, the rusty roofers must be locked away for life. Then we'll move on to the weirdos who don't keep their lawns properly trimmed.

[Deano]

WINJA, good sir, there is such a thing as due process, and the rule of law. I doubt you would like it if the police made up the rules as they went along if you were in the gun.

We are judged as a society by how we treat the lowliest pond-scum.

Police have always been making up there own rules when it suits some situations.

Perhaps we should be judged as a society by how we treat the victims ?


The cops job is to uphold the law, not interpret as they see fit.

These bloody sprotsbike riders are a blardy nuisance speeding around the backroads. Let's make an example of a few - say we caught them at 160km/h in that 70 km/h zone near the country hall, and impound their bikes. Oh yeah - and they resisted arrest, so we had to give them a wee truncheoning/pepperspraying and lock them up to cool down.

This is already happening - we have heard from KBer's having done a runner to be knocked off the bike after stopping, manhandled to the ground etc. Is that really necessary or lawful ?

Rough justice has probably been going on since the first Police force.

Paedophiles are unrepentant and I for one don't have any qualms about the cops letting the community know. Entry without search warrant is perhaps another matter.

[SPman]

All "felons" should be given the chance to prove they can or have, turned their lives around, after they have served their sentence.

If they don't, won't, or can't, in serious cases like this, I see nothing wrong with them being quietly taken, to some out of the way spot and being dropped down a deep rocky hole, head first - no fuss, no drama, no publicity - and only by those directly connected to the serious offences - word would get around......

BUT!

You'd need to be bloody sure of your facts!

Howling mobs of self righteous, medially offended people, are a worse nightmare, than a judicial system that fucks up occaisionally!

If this nonlife has offended again whilst on parole - then he deserves everything that's coming to him!

[justsomeguy]

Anybody got a link to the story?? What are the facts??

So is this cop in trouble?? Why - is it now illegal to be a hero??

As for the garbage pile fiddler..... well....we should invite him on a ride.:whistle:

Also extend the invitation to whichever lawyer is representing him too....

[justsomeguy]

Entry without search warrant is perhaps another matter.


Uh - this wasn't just entry without a warrant was it - according to this thread - this was an entry without a warrant into a house of a repeat offender who was re-offending while on parole.... bit different init??

[Skyryder]

ITS GOOD TO SEE SOME COPS DOING THE MORAL THING FOR ONCE ,WHEN THEY PUT OUT THAT PAMPHLET ABOUT THAT KIDDY FIDDLER WITH HIS PHOTO AND LOCATION THEY GOT SOME CRED BACK IN MY BOOKS , A COP SOME COP SAID FUCK THE LAW FUCK THE RULES LETS SAVE SOME KIDS , AND HE DID , I HOPE THE REST OF THE SYSTEM CAN DO THE MORAL THING NOW AND NOT GIVE HIME THE $50,000 HES AFTER IN COMPENSATION .
UNFORTUNATELY FOR US THE BIGGEST CUSTOMERS OF BONDAGE PARLOURS ARE JUDGES AND LAWERS , UNBALANCED PEOPLE BEING JUDGES SUX.
IF I WERE A JUDGE ID TELL HIM TO FUCK OFF , THAT PEDOPHILE DESERVES THE RANDOM BEATINGS HE GETS , HE SHOULD BE UNCOMFORTABLE, HE SHOULD BE LOOKING OVER HIS SHOULDER , IF HES KEPT BUSY KEEPING ALIVE HE HAS LESS TIME TO DO WRONG .
I HOPE THE COMMUNITY RALLIES ROUND THE COP RESPONSIBLE AND GIVES HIM THE SUPPORT HE NEEDS TO CONTINUE THIS SORTA WORK WHICH WILL ENCOURAGE OTHER COPS TO DO THE RIGHT THING


Another good call Winj. That is untill they put 'your' photo in the letterbox by mistake.


Skyryder

[WINJA]

Another good call Winj. That is untill they put 'your' photo in the letterbox by mistake.


Skyryder
THE COP IN THIS CASE WAS 100% SURE HE GOT THE RIGHT MAN , THE DUDE ADMITTED IN COURT IT WAS HIM

[WINJA]

I'm not defending the fiddler at all.
But it sounds like you all would like to give the Police the right to enter anyone's property at any time without a warrant.
Just remember that what applies to paedophiles also applies to everyone else.
That's why it's called one law for all.
THE COP HAD NO RIGHT TO ENTER HIS HOUSE , WHAT THE COP DID BORDERS ON ILLEGAL, MY MAIN POINT IS HE DID THE MORAL THING, THE COP HAD ONE AGENDA AND THAT WAS TO STOP MORE KIDS GETTING HURT BY A REPEAT OFFENDER WHO WILL PROBABLY REOFEND AGAIN

[Skyryder]

THE COP IN THIS CASE WAS 100% SURE HE GOT THE RIGHT MAN , THE DUDE ADMITTED IN COURT IT WAS HIM

So were some others....................but they got the wrong person.

Skyryder

[WINJA]

And people into BDSM aren't usually pedophiles either...
AGREE, BUT MY POINT IS THAT BONDAGE IS NOT NORMAL BEHAVIOUR YET A LOT OF JUDGES INDULGE , IM QUESTIONING THE JUDGES MORALS , THE SAME JUDGES THAT ARE LETTING THESE SICKOS OFF LIGHTLY

[WINJA]

So were some others....................but they got the wrong person.

Skyryder
CAN ARGUE ALL YOU LIKE BUT IN THIS CASE THE COP GOT THE RIGHT GUY , I KNOW MISTAKES HAPPEN , I KNOW COPS LIE AND CHEAT AND STEAL . I KNOW THEY FABRICATE EVIDENCE AND OMMIT IT ON PURPOSE. ALL THAT ASIDE THIS COP GOT THE RIGHT GUY AND I TRUELLY BELIEVE HES SAVED SOME KIDS A LOT OF GRIEF.
THIS GUY MIGHT HAVE DONE HIS TIME BUT ITS ONLY THE CRIMES WE KNOW ABOUT HE WAS JUDGED FOR . OUT OF EVERY 10 OR SO KIDS MOLESTED ONLY 1 CASE WILL GO THRU COURT AND GET A CONVICTION , SAME WITH RAPES.
THIS PRICK DESERVES REGULAR BEATINGS FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE

[TLDV8]

The colour of a roof or speeding is hardly in the same category as child molestation.
Kids are defenceless against evil fuckers like this.

But strangely enough the system will try to rehabilitate the offender at all costs and the victim's are forgotten about,it is almost like the offender is the victim...I am in no doubt that POS will get the $80000 compensation...There are crimes against society where the line that is crossed goes beyond redemption,molestation is one...

[eliot-ness]

Also extend the invitation to whichever lawyer is representing him too....

This is the first mention of the guy who's causing all the shit. The bloody lawyer who's advising him. The peadophile isn't bright enough to have figured this out for himself. He's being led by what appears to be an opportunist lawyer out to make a few grand with no thought for the moral issues. Maybe he should be taking some of the flack too

[Roadrash]

You have to be careful what doors you open up, He may have been right in this case but next time the outcome could be different, i hate them as much as anybody but vigilantes are dangerous and and sometimes blind to the facts, thats why we have a Justice system, i'm not saying he did something
wrong but next time a memeber of the public might of heard from a friend about the new guy down the street and next thing you know some poor innocent dude is getting the crap kicked out of him for nothing just because some twot thought he was doing the right thing :calm:

[Deano]

Uh - this wasn't just entry without a warrant was it - according to this thread - this was an entry without a warrant into a house of a repeat offender who was re-offending while on parole.... bit different init??

I don't know the full story about the entry, that's why I didn't really comment on it, more the decision to issue the pamphlet.

[Macktheknife]

I can see where your coming from Lou, but the fact is that kids aren't worldly enough to deal with a preditory pedophile. The rights and safety of kids should ALWAYS be put before those of a convicted pedophile.[/QUOTE]
While I agree in principle, the problem comes when someone is wrongly accused or convicted of such a crime. In todays world just the accusation without any proof is enough to ruin career/ marriage/ friendship etc. Obviously this guy is scum and should be charged for continuous oxygen theft, but it is dangerous to set a precedent that can come back to bite you.
I think the real injustice will be if he gets any compensation for this 'infringement of his rights'.

[Macktheknife]

This is the first mention of the guy who's causing all the shit. The bloody lawyer who's advising him. The peadophile isn't bright enough to have figured this out for himself. He's being led by what appears to be an opportunist lawyer out to make a few grand with no thought for the moral issues. Maybe he should be taking some of the flack too

Do you know why sharks dont eat lawyers???


professional courtesy!

[Patrick]

What is it with our pro-Police members, that they only see what they want to? Read the post Patrick, especially the first line.
They entered his house without a warrant and photographed him. Apart from that I don't have a problem with the rest of what they did
I know it's stupid of me, but I expect cops to obey the law too, not just enforce it.

What is it with the anti Police brigade, that they only see what they want to? Don't believe everything you read... why enter his house without warrant to photograph him? His photo is on computor. I agree, no problem with the rest but I doubt they would enter as claimed. Then again, I might be wrong, that happens a lot. Cops who break laws get dealt with and reamed by bosses from great heights, no matter how trivial the indiscretion may be... kiss ya job goodbye is a regular.

[Deano]

Cops who break laws get dealt with and reamed by bosses from great heights, no matter how trivial the indiscretion may be... kiss ya job goodbye is a regular.

I'm not anti Police, but I'd suggest the only time they get "reamed" is when the issue becomes public.

[tracyprier]

Well I still say that there is too much concern for the perpetrators of such crimes.

What about this guys victims? You can bet that they will be suffering from and trying to deal with the effects of his attack for, well potentially their whole lives. Hey, if I was supreme ruler this M-F**ker wouldn't have made it as far as jail.

that's better, got that off my chest.

[Lou Girardin]

He's not and if you imply that he is or will be then you are scare mongering.

If you're not following the discussion, keep up or keep out.

[spudchucka]

Well, in some areas he is . Overseas travel for instance, if he has to apply for a visa. And some jobs - like the police ?

Guess there can be an argument made that a veil should be drawn over past transgressions after the offender has PROVED he's turned over a new leaf. But that means going for a goodly number of years without reoffending, not immediately he's released on parole.
There's the clean slate bill in force now. If you have made a mistake in your past but not reoffended then your convictions are concealed. A minor assault or fighting charge probably wouldn't prevent you from being recruited into the police if you met all the other requirements. A serious assault charge would certainly prevent you from being recruited and rightly so in my opinion.

[Lou Girardin]

Uh - this wasn't just entry without a warrant was it - according to this thread - this was an entry without a warrant into a house of a repeat offender who was re-offending while on parole.... bit different

There was no re-offence. He moved into a new area. The Police Officer entered his house using the "ways and means" Act to take his photo. The paedophile is also retarded, he didn't know to refuse entry to the cop.
Once again, without defending these scum, they can no more resist their urges than anyone else can resist their sex drive. It's very powerful motivator. Look at Graeme Capill he's showing no remorse for the kids at all. He's complaining about his treatment in jail now and may be appealing his conviction. He still believes he was entitled to abuse those kids.
Even chemical castration can be nullified. Viagra is one way.
There is only one way to guarantee no re-offending.

[Lou Girardin]

THE COP IN THIS CASE WAS 100% SURE HE GOT THE RIGHT MAN , THE DUDE ADMITTED IN COURT IT WAS HIM

A mob in Manchester (I think) were sure they had the right person when they beat up a paediatrician.
Around the same time another innocent person was beaten to death, because it was thought he was a paedophile.

[Lou Girardin]

This is the first mention of the guy who's causing all the shit. The bloody lawyer who's advising him. The peadophile isn't bright enough to have figured this out for himself. He's being led by what appears to be an opportunist lawyer out to make a few grand with no thought for the moral issues. Maybe he should be taking some of the flack too

The first thing we do, kill all the lawyers.

Bling to the first correct attribution.

[spudchucka]

AGREE, BUT MY POINT IS THAT BONDAGE IS NOT NORMAL BEHAVIOUR YET A LOT OF JUDGES INDULGE , IM QUESTIONING THE JUDGES MORALS , THE SAME JUDGES THAT ARE LETTING THESE SICKOS OFF LIGHTLY
Care to offer any proof as to the judges indulgence.............. otherwise I'll assume you are just talking shit or making a huge generalisation.

[spudchucka]

I'm not anti Police, but I'd suggest the only time they get "reamed" is when the issue becomes public.
Wrong. Plenty of matters are dealt with in-house. An adverse report on your file can pretty much screw your career. There are lot of assumptions made about policing, assumptions made in more or less total ignorance of the facts.

I don't mean any dissrespect to you in saying that, its just my observation.

[spudchucka]

If you're not following the discussion, keep up or keep out.
Act your age dickhead!

[Deano]

Wrong.
I don't mean any dissrespect to you in saying that, its just my observation.

So it never happens ? I'd be very surprised. It's my observation that it does, but you could be right, I could be wrong.

I bet if I complained to a senior cop about the way I was once treated (being detained without arrest and poked in the face by a detective) it would have been swept under the carpet, unless maybe I had a video or tape recording and went public. Just my opinion.

Like I said, I'm not anti Police - but I wouldn't automatically assume they can all be trusted.

[scumdog]

So it never happens ? I'd be very surprised. It's my observation that it does, but you could be right, I could be wrong.

I bet if I complained to a senior cop about the way I was once treated (being detained without arrest and poked in the face by a detective) it would have been swept under the carpet, unless maybe I had a video or tape recording and went public. Just my opinion.

Like I said, I'm not anti Police - but I wouldn't automatically assume they can all be trusted.

It could be that YOU saw no action taken but even so that file would be resting pretty heavily on the relevant officers personal file.

No satisfaction to you but it's a 'blot' on the officer file.

[Lou Girardin]

A complaint about the driver of a Police car (possibly not a cop) to the Roadwatch website was dealt with 'in-house'.
In fact it was so deep in-house that they convieniently 'lost' the complaint.
You give them a chance to have a quiet word with the driver and instead they play games.
I guess the only way to deal with piss poor Police driving is go straight to the PCA.

[Patrick]

So it never happens ? I'd be very surprised. It's my observation that it does, but you could be right, I could be wrong.

I bet if I complained to a senior cop about the way I was once treated (being detained without arrest and poked in the face by a detective) it would have been swept under the carpet, unless maybe I had a video or tape recording and went public. Just my opinion.

Like I said, I'm not anti Police - but I wouldn't automatically assume they can all be trusted.

There are occasionally some out there that are dodgy but they get weeded out real quick.. might have been swept away a while ago but no this day and age, full enquiry, likely charges of assault, but, there is two sides to the story, isn't there?

[Patrick]

A complaint about the driver of a Police car (possibly not a cop) to the Roadwatch website was dealt with 'in-house'.
In fact it was so deep in-house that they convieniently 'lost' the complaint.
You give them a chance to have a quiet word with the driver and instead they play games.
I guess the only way to deal with piss poor Police driving is go straight to the PCA.

If it was lost, resubmit it...unless ya forgot what it was about in the first place? A "word" often works well, called discretion, which is used regulalry out there on the roads and streets of this Police state......did you want them hung, drawn and quartered? Probably find the driver got a ticket, just like any other member of the public would get one...but we digress... recidivist paedophiles is what this is about, not a minor traffic indiscretion. BIG difference. Kiddies screwed up for life, these "things" do their time and all is forgiven??? Does your cardigan zip up or button up???

Where is my Tui???? Yeah, right....

[Lou Girardin]

If it was lost, resubmit it...unless ya forgot what it was about in the first place? A "word" often works well, called discretion, which is used regulalry out there on the roads and streets of this Police state......did you want them hung, drawn and quartered? Probably find the driver got a ticket, just like any other member of the public would get one...but we digress... recidivist paedophiles is what this is about, not a minor traffic indiscretion. BIG difference. Kiddies screwed up for life, these "things" do their time and all is forgiven??? Does your cardigan zip up or button up???

Where is my Tui???? Yeah, right....

Read the post Patrick. They lost the complaint, can't find the details, vanished into the ether, dematerialised, beamed to some parallel universe.
Caught on yet?
And, trusting soul that I am, I assumed that an emailed complaint would be traceable.
BTW. An explanation and possible apology is all I sought from this driver.
There are other cops that need hanging, drawing and quartering.

[Deano]

but, there is two sides to the story, isn't there?

Yes, but which one will a judge believe between a 19 year old and a sworn officer (say 15 years experience on the force), with absolutely no other evidence ??

[mikey]

Police have always been making up there own rules when it suits some situations.
This is already happening - we have heard from KBer's having done a runner to be knocked off the bike after stopping, manhandled to the ground etc. Is that really necessary or lawful ?
Rough justice has probably been going on since the first Police force.

.


yeah.
bastards knocked this guy off his bike after hed done his runner.
must of been one cool cat doing the runner! must of had visions. of ways to get off dangerous driving charges an failing to stop. twice.

yeah.
one cool cat

i bet it was spudchucka who knocked him off to

[spudchucka]

Like I said, I'm not anti Police - but I wouldn't automatically assume they can all be trusted.
Your previous post suggested that cops only get reamed by their bosses when matters become public, I'm telling you thats not the case. I don't recall trust of individual cops being an issue in the context of that post.

Complaints against police are the same as any complaint, they need to be verified as true or at least credible before any action could be taken. Witnesses help a lot but they aren't all that often available or credible. If its just one persons word against another then the complaint won't progress too far, however if a cop continually attracts complaints it will very much become a performance issue for him / her and they will have to modify their performance if they want their career to progress.

[Patrick]

Read the post Patrick. They lost the complaint, can't find the details, vanished into the ether, dematerialised, beamed to some parallel universe.
Caught on yet?
And, trusting soul that I am, I assumed that an emailed complaint would be traceable.
BTW. An explanation and possible apology is all I sought from this driver.
There are other cops that need hanging, drawing and quartering.

1. Did read it. 2. Things do get lost, have you never lost anything? 3. Caught on...yeah, whatever... read what i suggested...resubmit it (that is, "send it in again") 4. Yes, i assume Email is traceable...you would have a copy of the sent item? Resubmit it... ("again...") 5. Explanation and apology is fair enough, not exactly serious crime of the year by the sounds of it if that was all that needed doing. Probably got put at the bottom of the "to do" list of priorities......or under the donut box. 6. Yes, they do get caught out soon enough and bamboo shoots are driven in under their fingernails in the beating/confessional room...

[Patrick]

Yes, but which one will a judge believe between a 19 year old and a sworn officer (say 15 years experience on the force), with absolutely no other evidence ??

Tough one to call there...still gotta prove beyond reasonable doubt. Much easier to put in "doubt" or lame excuses to walk off free... Never arrested an "innocent" in my 20 years though...have better things to do than waste everyones time.

[Deano]

I don't recall trust of individual cops being an issue in the context of that post.


I think it is quite contextual actually - trust, honesty, justice etc - maybe only in a perfect world.

Guess well have to agree to disagree on this one.

[spudchucka]

I think it is quite contextual actually - trust, honesty, justice etc - maybe only in a perfect world.

Guess well have to agree to disagree on this one.
It just seemed a big leap to go from suggestions that the internal disciplinary processes are self serving and only result in cops being disciplined when matters become public to a discussion of trust of police in general.

I can see your point however and I don't necessarily dissagree with you except for the issues regarding internal discipline, which in my experience are quite sound and strictly adhered to.

[Lou Girardin]

1. Did read it. 2. Things do get lost, have you never lost anything? 3. Caught on...yeah, whatever... read what i suggested...resubmit it (that is, "send it in again") 4. Yes, i assume Email is traceable...you would have a copy of the sent item? Resubmit it... ("again...") 5. Explanation and apology is fair enough, not exactly serious crime of the year by the sounds of it if that was all that needed doing. Probably got put at the bottom of the "to do" list of priorities......or under the donut box. 6. Yes, they do get caught out soon enough and bamboo shoots are driven in under their fingernails in the beating/confessional room...

Tell me how to resubmit information that is entered on the Roadsafe website and is not saved when sent and I'll do it.
That's the catch Patrick and they know it. That's why the complaint got 'lost'.
And, if the Roadsafe managers have other Police dutes and priorities, perhaps they should disband the service.
I thought I'd try this complaint system to see how it works.
It doesn't.

[zjet]

All i can say to this one ..

If this was my brothers or sisters it happened to i would be the one going to Jail.

Nuff said

[Patrick]

Tell me how to resubmit information that is entered on the Roadsafe website and is not saved when sent and I'll do it.
That's the catch Patrick and they know it. That's why the complaint got 'lost'.
And, if the Roadsafe managers have other Police dutes and priorities, perhaps they should disband the service.
I thought I'd try this complaint system to see how it works.
It doesn't.

Unsure about the website situation... a direct phone call to the O/C station gets a quicker instant result. Ask for the O/C's his/her name at the time too, so you know who to ask for if you hear nothing. Done this way, you would hear, usually that same day...with a result.

Roadsafe managers undoubtedly have other duties than watching/acting on the website. Don't we all?

Prioritising is necessary. This "sounds" very minor (wanted a slap on the hand with a wet bus ticket?)

But maybe I'm wrong there. If not, more serious matters would be looked at first...this one last...thenmore serious matters come in...still last...etc...etc...etc...catch my drift?

[marty]

I missed this item on the news (or whatever programme) so who said the Police entered his house without a warrant and photographed him?
Seems a little odd (and waste of time) given the Police would already have his photo on the computer system.

might have been mentioned in the other 3 pages, but they did a door knock at his house, he let them in, and they asked if they could take a photo of him, which he allowed. it wasn't a prisoner photo, they didn't need a warrant, and quite frankly, i think it was just good preventative policing. there are restrictions on the use of images held by the police fior using in this manner, but it covers those taken as evidential shots, not 'casual' ones.

(edit) and if he didn't know that he didn't have to let the police in, too fucking bad.

[Patrick]

might have been mentioned in the other 3 pages, but they did a door knock at his house, he let them in, and they asked if they could take a photo of him, which he allowed. it wasn't a prisoner photo, they didn't need a warrant, and quite frankly, i think it was just good preventative policing. there are restrictions on the use of images held by the police fior using in this manner, but it covers those taken as evidential shots, not 'casual' ones.

(edit) and if he didn't know that he didn't have to let the police in, too fucking bad.

BLOODY OATH... Protect our kids at all costs I say.... take a photo? Big deal... send a pamphlet around the neighbourhood? Big deal...

Protect this recidivist kiddie molester or protect the kiddies in your neighbourhood?

NOT A HARD CHOICE..... Job well done. That man deserves a DB (or whatever it is he would like to drink).

[spudchucka]

Even if the bastard gets his $80,000 I'd say it was money well spent on keeping local kids safe from a local predator.