Where do you want to see bucket racing go in the next 10 years?

[mr bucketracer]

Tell us a little about your self and how you got involved in the sport (friends, seen at a car park etc , type of bike you like ( 2 or 4 stroke ) and why , what keeps you in the sport , and what would pee you of if rules changed , do you like bulding your own bike .frame ,engine etc , or just the riding . i may add more to this later , will post my thoughts later . thanks

[TALLIS]

I first got into buckets in 2011, going past kaitoke kart track on a road ride up the rumatakas. Call in for a look and a chat with a few of the locals (thanks koba) the next week I had brought a bucket on tm. An awesome loncin powered tzr250. As I rated myself as a road rider at the time, I thought It was going to be easy (haven't we all seen that before) as soon found out it was anything but. I have had a array of bikes and different combinations. I would always recommend an fxr150 to anyone wanting to buy a bike. No question the best bike, with the most scope with ease. The thing I would like to see most is strong fields of young riders, as you learn so much from buckets with a low budget. I don't think changes to the "bucket" rules will encourage more young riders as I believe if they were keen to do it, they would be doing it already. There dose need the be a push to "advertise" somewhat to the riders of the future, maybe a sub class where there are a super stock type, so these riders can compete on very similar machines. Not buckets, but a new type of class run with us.

[ajturbo]

I Started back in the mid 80's on a worked TS100.. blew up a few times, then a DT100.. blew that up a few times..
Had a break and came back in the mid 2000's on a GT125 twin... blew that up a few times..
had an RG50.. that thing never died,,, as far as i know it is still going today..(we never changed the oil.. )
arrived in Chch just after the earthquakes.. good friend sold me her FXR, stock std.. raced that for 3 years before bolting on a larger carb...
still suck at the racing thing.. but have a lot of fun.!
in 10 years time?

I hope that there are some sort of replacement for the FXR's... I would NOT like to see the cc's increased...
would be nice to get back on a go-kart track...

[Grumph]

Never raced one but built many.
agreed with AJT, would not like to see buckets CC get any bigger. Most classes have crept bigger - and it hasn't helped them.
We did run a "stock" buckets class here many moons back, the first SI Cup was actually won by a stock bucket thanks to the scoring system. Max points over all rounds, match that on a superbike, lol....

I'd really like to see the NI run on big tracks more often. The kart tracks are producing a specialised bucket which ultimately won't be like the SI bikes which reduces the opportunities for interisland competition.
The rising costs of running a meeting on the NI permanent big tracks offers an opportunity to get on with other classes. It's been found down here that if you offer other classes/clubs a chance to run you increase numbers and it becomes economically more viable to hire the circuit.
From what I hear the chances of getting back on the main SI kart tracks are very slim...

[F5 Dave]

I'd like to see RM250 engines in RG50 chassis raced on small tracks. Mainly for giggles.

Tyres.

What is the future of tyres?

[Yow Ling]

I'd like to see RM250 engines in RG50 chassis raced on small tracks. Mainly for giggles.

Tyres.

What is the future of tyres?

The future of tyres is you will need to buy new ones

[F5 Dave]

The future of tyres is you will need to buy new ones
Imported from aus for a couple of years? Then what? Kendas.

[jasonu]

Tell us a little about your self and how you got involved in the sport (friends, seen at a car park etc , type of bike you like ( 2 or 4 stroke ) and why , what keeps you in the sport , and what would pee you of if rules changed , do you like bulding your own bike .frame ,engine etc , or just the riding . i may add more to this later , will post my thoughts later . thanks

I see the class turning into something it was never meant to be if people keep trying to fuck with the rules to suit themselves. The class works well as it is. Don't fuck with it.

[cotswold]

I started bucket racing when I bought a Buell from John Steer, I spotted his bucket and casually mentioned that I had raced in the UK for over a decade mostly on 125's but also LC's, a 600 (which I hated) and sidecars, side and front. He told me to turn up on the saturday and have a go on his spare bucket, I went ok so got invited to the race on Sunday, I won a couple of B grade races and was hooked.
I see buckets in 10 years as having 50's as the premier class with so many of the little bastards out there that MNZ insists they have to be run as a National series with a pukka GP run on a full circuit involving european and kiwi riders. :niceone:

[ellipsis]

I just wanted to hang out with the cool bunch who looked like they might be able to pick up chicks by just mentioning that they rode a bucket.

[sidecar bob]

I just wanted to hang out with the cool bunch who looked like they might be able to pick up chicks by just mentioning that they rode a bucket.
Yeah. . nah, that's not going to work for you.:no:

[nodrog]

Yeah. . nah, that's not going to work for you.:no:

Because of his good looks, or because they are all virgins?

[chrisc]

Brian Steffensen and I were in the same uni class and rode bikes (mine a CG110, him a CBR250). We chatted about bikes (obviously) and he invited me to have a go on the club bike the next meeting.
I had never raced before, only just ridden the CG. I did far better than I expected and was over the moon addicted. Instantly looked for a bike online and bought my current FXR from Kel which is still (somehow) going to this day. I've had a NF4 chassis in my possession, threatening to become a running bike forever now because I think I've gone just about as far as I can on my FXR.

The spirit of buckets
Buckets gave me the grounding necessary to step onto a '98 Honda RS125 and be comfortable in racing it hard very quickly. I had never raced anything except my FXR bucket before then. It would have taken me years to learn those core skills and gain the confidence needed to get onto a grand prix bike by only riding a proddy 250 at Hampton. Most novice to intermediate skilled big track riders should also ride a bucket.

I want buckets to be 2 things at the same time. 1) An incredibly cheap and easy way to go racing, e.g. FXR150 with factory chassis etc; 2) wide open for competitive development within simple rules e.g. GP or home made frame and frankenstein engines. I would love to see a production type sub class and an open type sub class form within the F4 grid.

It's important for me to be able to develop as a rider through the FXR150 and then move onto a more sophisticated machine like an 'open' bucket. This then opens the door for learning bike setup, tuning, advanced riding skills etc. The class should recognise achievements of racers winning on both types of bikes.

Rules status
For an open sub class bucket, I would really like to see water cooled 2 strokes limited to 85cc but with allowance for MX engines, aftermarket cylinders and open engine development. Production 4 strokes at give or take 160cc with open engine development too I think is reasonable given the strengths, weaknesses and tradeoffs for each type of engine. I feel that slightly larger capacity for old 2 valve engines is a good idea too, if you were so inclined, why not? I believe there is comparable amount of effort required to tune a 85cc 2 stroke or a 160cc 4 stroke into the high powered engines we see around. Chassis' and parts should be open.

I don't think water cooled 2 strokes at 110cc is fair against 158cc FXR engines. I don't think there should be allowance for an arms race and I want racers to feel satisfied that with the right setup, regardless of the type of bike they choose to race, that they could win if they pull it together.

Racing
I'd like to see more bucket racers at north island series events! I'd also like to see more North Islanders in the SI and vice versa. Such a good crew down south!

[kel]

Either we stay "non competition engine" based or we go full open, BUT WAIT we could even combine the two -

85cc water cooled 2 strokes - open
150cc 4 strokes - open
180cc or there abouts single cylinder 2 valve 4 strokes - open
and because you should never throw the baby out with the bath water ...
104cc water cooled two strokes - non competition (and I mean non competition, none of this over the counter bolt up race parts nonsense)
125 air cooler 2 strokes - non competition (carb restriction can go too :Punk: )
Fuel as per MNZ current rules.
There we go, all the current bikes are catered for plus lots of new engines to play with :sunny:

And racing on big tracks from time to time!

[mr bucketracer]

for me , started at 17 , how i found out about it was dad seeing it at the pdc car park, but mainy a friend of mine frazer that started work with me had been doing it , first bike , A rd50 from the wreaking yard 24years ago , had no idea what i was doing ,bit more com, bigger reed and carb , and dads 1960s leathers lol and got dead last in all racing , meet f5 dave and first thing he said was is that les's 80 , i said no but dont think he beleved me (-; .. went away like oh man .. week or 2 later picked up a other rd 50 ,from peter sales , even though it had been sitting for awail and bought not all of it , it went good , all second places at the feilding rail yards in b grade ,(-; another bike after that a cb125 , next meet the espernard...spell that better later, won half the races with peter king , well hooked my then, the first gp was like holy hell , what cool stuff , water cooled tf 100s , rgv 100 , rg100 - ke stuff, year after neals 4 clyinder 100 , was told it was 4 weed eater motor bolted together lol but was somthing way bether , was told before the meeting so out to the lawn mower shops buying up or given parts to make one lol , for me it been the building off stuff that does it , even though coping and at gp's when every gp the heads and barrels came of , i was looking to see inside them lol(-; , years later after saying a would do no other sport i started racing f3 , when they started pissing with rules i chucked it in, but was fun and helped with racing , gave up racing from 2001-2002 with just the odd meets , 3-4 years ago meet up with brent and bang back into it , will carry on later lol

[F5 Dave]

My first bucket was an A50. Had a buggered main and bought the matching one from a mate with a mullered top end. Turned the bars round and painted it with house paint. Found a source of minarelli pistons from a bargain house in town. $4 piston kit, $2 just rings, got spares. Somehow they fitted but had to be bored about 4mm. Read the rules? The fuck I had.

I was a kid and we had no way of transportation to Ohakea anyway. Much time passes. Next step bought an RD50 from same clueless mate that tried to tune it to govt vehicle methanol mix. Guess they didn't read the rules either. Put in petrol and then burnt the pipe out. Then it ran great. Sold that too when I bought an mb50 that had actually been raced. Had a borrowed tank on it. Think I had to give that back at some stage.

All my mates had bought RG50s. Actually went to my first meeting when i was about 21. They kicked my arse. Fell off repeatedly till I got folding pegs welded on. Raced with cheapo jeans over my road leathers to protect them, and with a scarf as I always did on the road. Gee this is hot work. Well duh.

Borrowed a RG50 for my first GP, heaven. Still only got 13th in 50s, but I wasn't last by several bikes. They prized down to, would you believe 13th?

Met Dave Diprose and he gave me some tips on hotting the MB up to be faster than a STK RG. Still didn't handle.

Couldn't afford an RG, kept buying old mb engines which blew up. Loopy Lynda said she'd clean up my $60 race leathers I'd bought (more like a leather sack with arms and legs). They came back with DNF DAVE inscribed on the back. Oh how we did larf. At me.

With no money for new parts the cycle repeated till I finally rebuilt my now fast engine with a new aftermarket Long brand rodkit. I'd won my first race mostly by luck and speed. Rod snapped. New std parts and it never did it again. Now other parts broke. I spent so much time chasing my tail I never had time to learn to ride.
The RG changed all that but heck I was in my mid twenties by then.

Sheesh.

[mr bucketracer]

My first bucket was an A50. Had a buggered main and bought the matching one from a mate with a mullered top end. Turned the bars round and painted it with house paint. Found a source of minarelli pistons from a bargain house in town. $4 piston kit, $2 just rings, got spares. Somehow they fitted but had to be bored about 4mm. Read the rules? The fuck I had.

I was a kid and we had no way of transportation to Ohakea anyway. Much time passes. Next step bought an RD50 from same clueless mate that tried to tune it to govt vehicle methanol mix. Guess they didn't read the rules either. Put in petrol and then burnt the pipe out. Then it ran great. Sold that too when I bought an mb50 that had actually been raced. Had a borrowed tank on it. Think I had to give that back at some stage.

All my mates had bought RG50s. Actually went to my first meeting when i was about 21. They kicked my arse. Fell off repeatedly till I got folding pegs welded on. Raced with cheapo jeans over my road leathers to protect them, and with a scarf as I always did on the road. Gee this is hot work. Well duh.

Borrowed a RG50 for my first GP, heaven. Still only got 13th in 50s, but I wasn't last by several bikes. They prized down to, would you believe 13th?

Met Dave Diprose and he gave me some tips on hotting the MB up to be faster than a STK RG. Still didn't handle.

Couldn't afford an RG, kept buying old mb engines which blew up. Loopy Lynda said she'd clean up my $60 race leathers I'd bought (more like a leather sack with arms and legs). They came back with DNF DAVE inscribed on the back. Oh how we did larf. At me.

With no money for new parts the cycle repeated till I finally rebuilt my now fast engine with a new aftermarket Long brand rodkit. I'd won my first race mostly by luck and speed. Rod snapped. New std parts and it never did it again. Now other parts broke. I spent so much time chasing my tail I never had time to learn to ride.
The RG changed all that but heck I was in my mid twenties by then.

Sheesh.lol good wright up

[kel]

My first bucket was an A50.
Sheesh.

Very entertaining BUT you missed the first question "Where do you want to see bucket racing go in the next 10 years?"

[F5 Dave]

I answered that in post 5

[Rick 52]

2009 I welded a sub frame on a KTM 50 for a guy and his son rode Mini pocket bikes at Mt Welly, He asked to call in and have ago on the practice Saturday, I was blown away by the fun to be had, I hung around and talked to the Bucket people, so helpful and encouraging that I had a crashed damaged FXR the following weekend....I had built the bike for the following meeting and rode the Saturday until I was dizzy !

Sunday was the Mt Wellington cup (B Grade cup) qualified on pole and won my 1st race .....Hooked for life !!

Big Thanks to Tim Fraser and John Conner, Traveling around the country meeting Bucket people has been fantastic for me and the family, always feel welcome .

Going Forward 10yrs, I would like to see more racers traveling to different tracks, I would also like MNZ to recognise Buckets as the best starter class in NZ and not as a "Ginger step child "
I can see rule changes as a necessity to keep the sport growing, but fear some rules have been changed to help a few and not the majority!
Still lots of FXR 150 for sale and god knows how many TF125 engines are about for peanuts .

Long Live Port On The Corner :drinknsin

[wildman]

Ran my road MB50 at the meeting run in Manukau city carpark early ninties i think, then ran Suzuki AC50 and GT 50. BIGGEST CLAIM TO FAME , How many times i could fall off at one race meeting, boy i was crap, also brought a bucket sidecar from Hugh Roland and ran it a couple of times before selling it back to him. Went and did some other things for a while and came back in 2011 with Bucket Sidecar and i'm still crap, nothing changes much. I like the fact that you can still build something yourself and run it in Buckets and it's still cheaper than any other motorsport. There are a lot of people out there who have amazing engineering skills and i think we should encourage them and not stiffle their creativity, progress and rising costs in Buckets is going to be on going but like i said it's still cheaper than other motorsports.

[Henk]

I got involved with an old shitter because I wanted to turn up, pay and ride as a break from running events for another club.
Then got an FXR and now don't do the dirt bike thing anymore.

In ten years I'd like to see it as easily accessible and low key as it is now. I'd also like to see it as easy on the organisers as it was a year ago. Lately I've been about ready to throw in the towel because one or two people with agendas have been making it not fun.
The people that run this sport are doing it because nobody else wants to, with an investment in time and energy that isn't insignificant and with real risk, they aren't an easily replaceable resource. Please remember that.

[seymour14]

About self- do engineering for a living, wasn't my first choice in life, but have proven I can think outside the square occasionally.

How involved- On the coat tails of Dad and brothers, probably in and around 1998.

Not fussed on which bike I ride, prefer the Sidecar, no expectations but to have some fun.

As to staying on, would dearly love to see us win an F4 title just the once, don't like seeing money become the be all and end all of the sport, nor do I like watching rule changes effectively out-mode people's (including others) hard work.

Prefer the sidecar, all my best memories of buckets are associated with it, even the crashes...

Not sure I will be on the scene that much longer, life is about trying different stuff, and if something becomes more about bashing your head against a brick wall then enjoying it, that's probably the cue to jump ship and look for another adventure. Have told Dad that I am not going to dedicate my life to rust either, so his restorations are his and his alone!:lol:

[timg]

Well, after doing a Honda Riders Club track/training day and raving about it to a drunk ginga at a rally he suggested I should give bucket racing a go. Yeah, sure like I can afford to race! He reckoned I could buy a bike and have a seasons racing for $1k. So I turned up at a bucket meeting to check it out - turned out to be the BOB run in snow on the B track :cold: Soon after I had an old CB125t and started playing at the back of the field for a while before graduating to the mighty FXR :banana:


For me F4 is FUN! The camaraderie is fantastic. I'm a competent mid-field racer out there for my enjoyment. I'm not a mechanic or engineer hence my choice of the ever reliable FXR (& Ducati 400 Pre'89 postie). I enjoy tinkering and learning what I can about improving both my bike and riding.


I don't have the riding, mechanical/engineering or financial ability to be any more than mid field but enjoy trying to make the best out of what I have and take a bit of pride in turning out on well presented machinery - F4/F5 needs to drop the bucket of shit mentality if we want to be taken seriously. There's nothing smart about turning up at machine examination in a scruffy, dirty & non compliant bucket....


As for the future, I don’t want changes :baby: What we have works pretty well. If I wanted more cc I’d do the 250 development/proddie/Hyosung thing or something else. Still plenty of FXR’s out there and 2t’s too. It ain’t broken and doesn’t need fixing. Cheers.

[Askor]

I'm an electrical engineering student at the university of canterbury, and I've always loved riding/working on bikes. I had heard of bucket racing from a mate in highschool and never really gave it a second thought..until in late 2014 I saw a shitty AX100 at a second hand store for $250 and suddenly buckets came to mind.
I had a look in the buckets section of KB and thought hey this looks awesome, so I made a post expressing my interest in giving it a go. Buddha and Yow Ling stepped up to the plate and offered rides on their spare machines. I ended up riding Buddha's son's old FXR at a CAMS meet and had so much fun I bought a very sickly FXR off Yow Ling the next week.
I built up the engine with a bit of guidance, and have been racing it ever since! (well, until I crashed in November and broke my collarbone..it's currently in bits while I'm looking for some more horsepower).

I also have a 1980 Suzuki GP125 I let mates use/have a go on. It's also currently in bits :facepalm:

The FXR is the reliable workhorse, the GP is a crash course in 2 stroke tuning. I also have another GP125 engine that will be going in an RG50 frame..

I like buckets because it's cheap, safe (slow), and how much development goes into the bikes.

I think the rules are pretty dam good as they are, regarding capacity/engine origins/etc. However I don't think the 24mm carb rule is really necessary. How many 125 2t bikes are racing and winning on the big tracks?
It would be interesting to introduce a sub-class that includes 85cc MX engines though, I would like to see how much power could be pushed out of one of those little motors with (some) reliability.

Must get around to getting my medical clearance and putting my bike back together....I'm having withdrawls..

[rodg]

Got in to buckets in 2013. Worked with Tim Fraser who’d been suggesting for two years that I have a crack at it. Loved it from the beginning (once stopped using rear brake to slide in to corners like my 2 stroke MX background). Bought a well prepared FXR which Terrene and I shared (A and C grade). Came 4th in Auckland 2 hour in 2013 with Tim Fraser – fastest lap 30.4. Kept falling off and breaking bike so Terrene told me to find my own. Found an Aprilia 50 bucket. Dude had a TZ125 chassis under a sheet in back of shed also. Cool – bought them both. Have spent last two years slowly and badly trying to build and get my 2 stroke GP chassis machine to be faster than my FXR (has always been way more fun which is why we ride!). Lots of help and advice from smart people generous with their knowledge. Came third in the 2015 2 hour with Chris Cain – fastest lap 30.4. Two years more experience and ‘better’ bike and only just now going faster. Still can’t ride my TZ as fast as Tim could ride my FXR. Still haven’t won a race at Mt Wellington.

Why buckets? Great group of people, new people starting all the time, low cost, get to ride lots.

Hopes for future of buckets? Great group of people, new people starting all the time, low cost, get to ride lots.

[TZ350]

I had always been interested in racing and got into Buckets when a friend suggested it. My friend's son had given him an old Suzuki GP125 so I got one too as I didn't want to hear any excuses when I trounced him and wanted to beat him on equal machinery.

As it turned out my friend was the better rider but he gave it all away pretty quickly and I continued. I am a better builder and tuner than rider. I ride to see whether the ideas worked or not, actually I enjoy a bit of riding too.

The big thing is the camaraderie of the people that make Buckets so enjoyable.

The FXR's saved traditional Buckets and I guess Buckets will continue to evolve as the need arises and suitable machines come along.

I would like to see it stay a simple cheap(ish) formula class that is fun and friendly, with a minimum of rules so that those that like to ride can continue to race with a minimum of bike building fuss and those that like to build and tune bikes can continue to do so and get to enjoy their creations.

[jasonu]

I would like to see it stay a simple cheap(ish) formula class that is fun and friendly, with a minimum of rules so that those that like to ride can continue to race with a minimum of bike building fuss and those that like to build and tune bikes can continue to do so and get to enjoy their creations.

Tru dat Sista!!!!!

[mike61]

Hi all my son really wants to get into bucket racing but cant find a fxr150 racer anywhere has anyone got one for sale or know someone who has??

Thanks in advance ..

[timg]

Hi all my son really wants to get into bucket racing but cant find a fxr150 racer anywhere has anyone got one for sale or know someone who has??

Thanks in advance ..They crop up on trademe regularly. I've bought them ranging from $600 to $1200. Keep an eye on this and the other racing forums too. Cheers.

[mike61]

Thanks for that , we have been looking on Trademe but they seem to be mostly in the South Island, there are some standard ones around for the 1500 mark is that viable to convert and not blow big money?

[Buttman18]

Hi all my son really wants to get into bucket racing but cant find a fxr150 racer anywhere has anyone got one for sale or know someone who has??

Thanks in advance ..

if this is where buckets is heading we are in trouble


http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1045000903.htm

[Henk]

if this is where buckets is heading we are in trouble


http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1045000903.htm
And strangely enough for a bike being sold on the shore I don't think I've ever seen it. I think I may have missed one meeting in the last five years.
Having said that for all those that think a bucket should still cost $300 I think I'd struggle to build one for under two grand these days with two sets of wheels and a reasonably stock motor.

[kiwi-on-wheels]

Have recently stumbled across the madness that is a bike, let alone buckets. I have a cbr250r 4cyl I am debating over turning into a track bike, but it may be too old to be reliable. Thats why its in my garage atm hahaha

This bucket thing looks mental. Want to pop along to a meet or a practice. Looks addictive!!!!

[husaberg]

Have recently stumbled across the madness that is a bike, let alone buckets. I have a cbr250r 4cyl I am debating over turning into a track bike, but it may be too old to be reliable. Thats why its in my garage atm hahaha

This bucket thing looks mental. Want to pop along to a meet or a practice. Looks addictive!!!!

If pull the plug leads on two cylinders, Pop out the two plugs, its then bucket legal.

[kiwi-on-wheels]

Ooohh, can confirm,runs like poo HAHAHAHHA

[husaberg]

Ooohh, can confirm,runs like poo HAHAHAHHA

Speedpro did it with a FZR A bit more involved though he removed all the extra bits.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/68694-6?p=1130631005#post1130631005
There is plenty of 600/turned into 450 F3 racers

[kel]

if this is where buckets is heading we are in trouble


The seller does state "it has given us a lot of laughs", I think he maybe trying for one more with that price. Bloody awesome colour though!

[jasonu]

if this is where buckets is heading we are in trouble


http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1045000903.htm

I think it is a bargain. Here is a bike you can buy on Friday and ride on Saturday and potentially do quite well on right out of the box.
Try building a bike capable of winning or at least being competitive for less $'s. I bet you can't.

[F5 Dave]

Shit I wouldn't expect to get 1/2 that for my bikes, which jokes aside even the 50 would smash that thing with a decent rider.

[Autech]

I think it is a bargain. Here is a bike you can buy on Friday and ride on Saturday and potentially do quite well on right out of the box.
Try building a bike capable of winning or at least being competitive for less $'s. I bet you can't.

I just picked up a tickled fxr for 1500...
Askor built his fxr for a total of 1500 bike included I think.

Cool colour though! Plus spare rims which would be nice to have, but 2800? Dreaming! Unless it has a 21p secret up its sleeve.


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[cotswold]

Shit I wouldn't expect to get 1/2 that for my bikes, which jokes aside even the 50 would smash that thing with a decent rider.

I'll give you half that for your 50 ;)

[Bert]

if this is where buckets is heading we are in trouble
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1045000903.htm



Having said that for all those that think a bucket should still cost $300 I think I'd struggle to build one for under two grand these days with two sets of wheels and a reasonably stock motor.


I think it is a bargain......
Try building a bike capable of winning or at least being competitive for less $'s. I bet you can't.


I just picked up a tickled fxr for 1500...
Askor built his fxr for a total of 1500 bike included I think.
Cool colour though! Plus spare rims which would be nice to have, but 2800? Dreaming! Unless it has a 21p secret up its sleeve.
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I would have thought the 2800 is on the high side, but not unreasonable give the time that has been put in (looking at it).
Let's cost out what's there:
Basic low mileage bike (you would hope). 1100-1500
Wheel sets plus (tires and likely machining). $400-600
Seat. $180
Fairings. $120
Powder coating $100-200
Clipons. 100-120 ($20 grips).
Exhaust (plus headers) $140 (assuming bending and welding)
Throttle and cable $80
Paint (looks professional) ~$100
New battery $60 (general requirement)
Carb (doesn't look standard) $80-150
New chain 60-120

The general costs add up: if you can't do the work yourself it gets quite expensive.
2800 gives a solid foundation - likely a very good Bgrade bike (or Agrade with a good rider).


Now let's cost out if it had engine work done
Cams 120-250
Piston 40-250
Machining piston 60-120
Porting & rebore... A bit
Crank rebuild.... A bit more..

Interesting that the oldies (the ones that have been around a while) are more realistic about the price of building bikes (Henk & Jason)....

[TALLIS]

Minimum wage at 15.25 and the dole at record heights, you boys are crying about a couple of grand, peasants..... anyway, we all know the young guy you sell a good bike to cheap, so they can get out there. Bike never to be seen again. At least if they have to pay abit more, they might actually use it.

[TZ350]

if this is where buckets is heading we are in trouble.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1045000903.htm

The vendor describes himself in his Trademe profile as a motorcycle dealer, so he probably has researched the market a bit. Being a dealer trying to maximise the sale price the Bike is probably more flash paint job than go. Basic workmanship looks good though, but still a bit pricy compared to other suitable units seen on Trademe. Whichever way you cut it, a ready made Bucket is a good way to get into racing and much cheaper than building one from scratch.

[jasonu]

Shit I wouldn't expect to get 1/2 that for my bikes,.

That's because your bikes are all shit piles...:niceone::niceone::niceone:

[jasonu]

Interesting that the oldies (the ones that have been around a while) are more realistic about the price of building bikes (Henk & Jason)....

OI!!! Cheeky young wipper snapper. Who are you calling old???
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[Autech]

I agree the bike looks more show than go. If it has engine work than maybe it is a good price. But still up there considering I just bought a fxr with cams, carb, lithuim batt, fairings, slicks, etc etc.

Brings about the age old question, should you pass on the build costs to the purchaser?

But you are 100% right, I have not yet built a bucket of my own so can only go off what others have said the cost is. Ya old buggers!


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[mr bucketracer]

Minimum wage at 15.25 and the dole at record heights, you boys are crying about a couple of grand, peasants..... anyway, we all know the young guy you sell a good bike to cheap, so they can get out there. Bike never to be seen again. At least if they have to pay abit more, they might actually use it.15.25 , i need to get a job:drool:

[F5 Dave]

I would have thought the 2800 is on the high side, but not unreasonable give the time that has been put in (looking at it).
Let's cost out what's there:
Basic low mileage bike (you would hope). 1100-1500
Wheel sets plus (tires and likely machining). $400-600
Seat. $180
Fairings. $120
Powder coating $100-200
Clipons. 100-120 ($20 grips).
Exhaust (plus headers) $140 (assuming bending and welding)
Throttle and cable $80
Paint (looks professional) ~$100
New battery $60 (general requirement)
Carb (doesn't look standard) $80-150
New chain 60-120

The general costs add up: if you can't do the work yourself it gets quite expensive.
2800 gives a solid foundation - likely a very good Bgrade bike (or Agrade with a good rider).


Now let's cost out if it had engine work done
Cams 120-250
Piston 40-250
Machining piston 60-120
Porting & rebore... A bit
Crank rebuild.... A bit more..

Interesting that the oldies (the ones that have been around a while) are more realistic about the price of building bikes (Henk & Jason)....
Hmm, they look like fxr rims. And the spare silver set, well I'll leave that to the obvious.

[Yow Ling]

15.25 , i need to get a job:drool:

Just gone up to 15.75, the govt did it to make bucket racing more affordable

[mr bucketracer]

Just gone up to 15.75, the govt did it to make bucket racing more affordablefeel like the million dollar man on that:Punk:

[kel]

Just gone up to 15.75, the govt did it to make bucket racing more affordable
Are you offering a top up i.e. the revised rate from April at $15.25, plus another 50 cents from Mr Ling if you're a bucket racer? Bloody decent of you I say :niceone:

[Yow Ling]

You guys must be accountants or something. Looks like they are just going to have to do it hard

[ellipsis]

I'm hard now and I don't even know where my bucket is...

[Bert]

I agree the bike looks more show than go. If it has engine work than maybe it is a good price. But still up there considering I just bought a fxr with cams, carb, lithuim batt, fairings, slicks, etc etc.

Brings about the age old question, should you pass on the build costs to the purchaser?


No - not the majority of the build costs. But the cost of the bike needs to reflect that it is ready race (which does add some value).

[Pumba]

Brings about the age old question, should you pass on the build costs to the purchaser?

If someone wants to pay for those build costs then take the money and run. Anything is only worth what someone is willing to pay (auckland house prices anyone?).

But if anyone shows this add to my Mrs you are dead, if she thought my collection was worth anything like that she would just start listing shit left right an centre.

[Bert]

If someone wants to pay for those build costs then take the money and run. Anything is only worth what someone is willing to pay (auckland house prices anyone?).

But if anyone shows this add to my Mrs you are dead, if she thought my collection was worth anything like that she would just start listing shit left right an centre.

Tell me about it....
Good thing about having everything pulled apart she doesn't know what's what.

Though, she found my TZ250 manual (in Japanese) and tried to be help and Google me an English version... But she could help herself and looked on EBay.... Now she expects another holiday....:nono::nono:

[Autech]

Mine controls the money in the house. She knows what everything's worth :D


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[Sketchy_Racer]

That FXR150 on Trademe is not "worth" $2800. (Well maybe it is to Aucklanders who think some little shit box to live in is worth paying a million dollars for :stupid: )

The fact of the matter is that bike hasn't really got any performance advantage over a bone stock FXR150 with a set of slicks on. Stock motor, stock wheels and suspension...

If you think that a wanky paint job is worth that amount of money then sure, knock you socks off!

[BelindaS]

Tell us a little about your self and how you got involved in the sport (friends, seen at a car park etc , type of bike you like ( 2 or 4 stroke ) and why , what keeps you in the sport , and what would pee you of if rules changed , do you like bulding your own bike .frame ,engine etc , or just the riding . i may add more to this later , will post my thoughts later . thanks

Hi Mr Bucketracer

New to the "sport" of Bucket racing. And I was excited to get involved in buckets. But I have grave reservation as to weather to get into the sport now or not. As should anyone else who is thinking about getting involved.

I don't like what I have been hearing and have witnessed as well, which I think is very sad, as I considered buckets as a steeping stone to other fields of motorbike racing. (Well I mean road / track racing.)

My background in motor bikes has been more from a farming background. My riding started with a DS80, but mostly Honda XL's and XR's of different sizes. I have also ridden a verity of road bikes as well.

"what keeps you in the sport'
Certainly not the shenanigans that has been going on at the moment. Which has affected my family and friends as well. I am seriously considering as to why to get involved at all!!

"and what would pee you of if rules changed"
Well I'm sorry to inform you, the rules have changed!! Mid season!! With no consultation or discussions with competitors within the bucket community.
To me. How this came about is pure bullying at its worst! Which at the moment it looks as though it is supported by MNZ

You may ask what am I referring to. Well it's this message left on my friends answer phone
by Brian Steffensen My friend dose not know who he is and Brian Steffensen did not leave a contact number to discuses the issue.


("Just letting you know that to reduce any further confusion we have added a new supplementary
regulation to all of our events going forward and that is.
Pit bikes such as but not limited to Forza Thumpster and Pitsta Pro are not eligible.
And the final discussion as to what does and doesn't constitute a pit bike is at the discretion of the steward of the meeting and the machine examiner.")

What alarms me the most, as it should you, is the finale sentence.

So basically, it doesn't matter if your bike complies with the rules. If they don't like you because you are Male,Female,Black or White, Guy or Straight. They can exclude you by simply referring to your bike as a pit bike and you do not have any recourse what so ever.

Cheers
Belinda

I will post this on the thread.
Rule change submissions close 1 March 2016 - be in to win.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/177791-Rule-change-submissions-close-1-March-2016-be-in-to-win/page27

[seymour14]

For the good of the sport going forward, we need to use this forum more openly for rule changes or potential rule changes. That way there is less likelihood of the final "dash for cash" that happens with rule change applications right at the point that rule changes dates are about to close.

And rule changes that may prove good still need to be talked over with the ones who it affects most. We all have a stake in the sport.

In saying that, I have put in for mandatory pub stops at the halfway point of any given race...in hindsight I should have run it past any tee totallers amongst us.;)

[TZ350]

"and what would pee you of if rules changed" Well I'm sorry to inform you, the rules have changed!! Mid season!! With no consultation or discussions with competitors within the bucket community.

Hi Belinda, actually the rules have not changed midseason, pit bikes have always been excluded by the non competition rule, they by definition are not eligible now or have ever been eligible for F4 or F5, but some people like them and a few would like to race them.

I see you are from Auckland, Bucket racing at Mt Wellington has always tried to accommodate pit bikes one way or another in a common sense sort of way. They have bent over backwards controversially letting them race in F4 and as numbers grew offering to run their own class if they could field six or more.

From what I have seen most pitbike riders graduated to Bucket legal bikes but a die hard pitster having been allowed to ride is now behaving as if it is their right, well it is not. It looks like a case of give an inch and they demand a mile.

The situation has been discussed at some length by the committee and generally by the riders in the pits.

I understand the pitsters side had been put forcefully to Mel an organiser (Also Brian's partner) at several meetings. I guess the pitsters have pushed the point far enough that a definitive decision and a clear statement had to be made.

If this is upsetting you and your family you may need to look at what part they have played.

But as it is, pitsters are not an eligible bike so are not going to be allowed to run in F4 or F5 but I understand if you can field six or more the organisers are open to running a class specifically for you and the other riders are happy to give up some of their track time, now how much fairer than that do you want it to be????

[TZ350]

I have put in for mandatory pub stops at the halfway point of any given race...in hindsight I should have run it past any tee totallers amongst us.;)

Bit of a tea totaller myself, but would be happy for a cup of tea and a lay down mid race.:laugh:

[cotswold]

Bit of a tea totaller myself, but would be happy for a cup of tea and a lay down mid race.:laugh:

TZee if you lie down mid race they disqualify you.......

[TZ350]

TZee if you lie down mid race they disqualify you.......

Only if the handlebars of my mustache touch the ground.

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[Yow Ling]

Hi Mr Bucketracer

New to the "sport" of Bucket racing. And I was excited to get involved in buckets. But I have grave reservation as to weather to get into the sport now or not. As should anyone else who is thinking about getting involved.

I don't like what I have been hearing and have witnessed as well, which I think is very sad, as I considered buckets as a steeping stone to other fields of motorbike racing. (Well I mean road / track racing.)

My background in motor bikes has been more from a farming background. My riding started with a DS80, but mostly Honda XL's and XR's of different sizes. I have also ridden a verity of road bikes as well.

"what keeps you in the sport'
Certainly not the shenanigans that has been going on at the moment. Which has affected my family and friends as well. I am seriously considering as to why to get involved at all!!

"and what would pee you of if rules changed"
Well I'm sorry to inform you, the rules have changed!! Mid season!! With no consultation or discussions with competitors within the bucket community.
To me. How this came about is pure bullying at its worst! Which at the moment it looks as though it is supported by MNZ

You may ask what am I referring to. Well it's this message left on my friends answer phone
by Brian Steffensen My friend dose not know who he is and Brian Steffensen did not leave a contact number to discuses the issue.


("Just letting you know that to reduce any further confusion we have added a new supplementary
regulation to all of our events going forward and that is.
Pit bikes such as but not limited to Forza Thumpster and Pitsta Pro are not eligible.
And the final discussion as to what does and doesn't constitute a pit bike is at the discretion of the steward of the meeting and the machine examiner.")

What alarms me the most, as it should you, is the finale sentence.

So basically, it doesn't matter if your bike complies with the rules. If they don't like you because you are Male,Female,Black or White, Guy or Straight. They can exclude you by simply referring to your bike as a pit bike and you do not have any recourse what so ever.

Cheers
Belinda

I will post this on the thread.
Rule change submissions close 1 March 2016 - be in to win.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/177791-Rule-change-submissions-close-1-March-2016-be-in-to-win/page27

Do you sell Pit bikes maybe ?

[mr bucketracer]

Hi Mr Bucketracer

New to the "sport" of Bucket racing. And I was excited to get involved in buckets. But I have grave reservation as to weather to get into the sport now or not. As should anyone else who is thinking about getting involved.

I don't like what I have been hearing and have witnessed as well, which I think is very sad, as I considered buckets as a steeping stone to other fields of motorbike racing. (Well I mean road / track racing.)

My background in motor bikes has been more from a farming background. My riding started with a DS80, but mostly Honda XL's and XR's of different sizes. I have also ridden a verity of road bikes as well.

"what keeps you in the sport'
Certainly not the shenanigans that has been going on at the moment. Which has affected my family and friends as well. I am seriously considering as to why to get involved at all!!

"and what would pee you of if rules changed"
Well I'm sorry to inform you, the rules have changed!! Mid season!! With no consultation or discussions with competitors within the bucket community.
To me. How this came about is pure bullying at its worst! Which at the moment it looks as though it is supported by MNZ

You may ask what am I referring to. Well it's this message left on my friends answer phone
by Brian Steffensen My friend dose not know who he is and Brian Steffensen did not leave a contact number to discuses the issue.


("Just letting you know that to reduce any further confusion we have added a new supplementary
regulation to all of our events going forward and that is.
Pit bikes such as but not limited to Forza Thumpster and Pitsta Pro are not eligible.
And the final discussion as to what does and doesn't constitute a pit bike is at the discretion of the steward of the meeting and the machine examiner.")

What alarms me the most, as it should you, is the finale sentence.

So basically, it doesn't matter if your bike complies with the rules. If they don't like you because you are Male,Female,Black or White, Guy or Straight. They can exclude you by simply referring to your bike as a pit bike and you do not have any recourse what so ever.

Cheers
Belinda

I will post this on the thread.
Rule change submissions close 1 March 2016 - be in to win.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/177791-Rule-change-submissions-close-1-March-2016-be-in-to-win/page27not very happy to here this. :angry:Will post later

[Bert]

not very happy to here this. :angry:Will post later


I won't say I told you so, but....
AMCC let them in (as too welly). One to offer up track time, the other result of low numbers/providing an opportunity).
So the cat is out of the bag.
What both clubs did was actually good, the problem was not enough actually turned up.
AMCC obviously decided to clean up their house and did the right thing and notified those affected.
Clubs and committees do have the right to do this, in the interest of the wider membership.


Like F3 and motards: pit bikes do create a small issue on track (those around me long enough will remember a few issues...)... I hold some really strong view on pit bikes and buckets - but I'm not going into this.
So they really need their own class and be done with it.

Not really convinced there should be so much concern around the engines (applying the performance/race rules: means race spec pit bike engines can't enter).
As too, bolt on performance parts.
4 speed means it will never be any better than a good Bgrade motor (even with 20Hp).
It's the frame design, that's the kicker.
The class is called "miniature road racing" (buckets being the slang term).
The intent is road racing motorcycles (not motards)..
I'm sure years ago something was written in the opening paragraph about this.

I'd personally go as far to say, the rules resolve the issues, pull the motors out and chuck them into a frame that represents/meets the intent of the class and go for it....
The pitbike/mini-Motard frames do have the potential to cause a significant amount of track damage. Every one I've seen (Auckland, welly and on the north island series rounds) have issues with pegs, bars, axles. Don't forget how senceative the actual track owners actually are...

BelindaS, not quite sure why you are attacking mr bucketracers thread and why you are so aggressive towards AMCC: whom have been accomodating in the past (and have done all the hard work getting racing organised). The only way forward really is to be positive and proactive (not aggressive) and work with AMCC or organise your own events (sorting out hireage, insurance and facilities).

[steamroller]

I won't say I told you so, but....
AMCC let them in (as too welly). One to offer up track time, the other result of low numbers/providing an opportunity).
So the cat is out of the bag.
What both clubs did was actually good, the problem was not enough actually turned up.
AMCC obviously decided to clean up their house and did the right thing and notified those affected.
Clubs and committees do have the right to do this, in the interest of the wider membership.


Like F3 and motards: pit bikes do create a small issue on track (those around me long enough will remember a few issues...)... I hold some really strong view on pit bikes and buckets - but I'm not going into this.
So they really need their own class and be done with it.

Not really convinced there should be so much concern around the engines (applying the performance/race rules: means race spec pit bike engines can't enter).
As too, bolt on performance parts.
4 speed means it will never be any better than a good Bgrade motor (even with 20Hp).
It's the frame design, that's the kicker.
The class is called "miniature road racing" (buckets being the slang term).
The intent is road racing motorcycles (not motards)..
I'm sure years ago something was written in the opening paragraph about this.

I'd personally go as far to say, the rules resolve the issues, pull the motors out and chuck them into a frame that represents/meets the intent of the class and go for it....
The pitbike/mini-Motard frames do have the potential to cause a significant amount of track damage. Every one I've seen (Auckland, welly and on the north island series rounds) have issues with pegs, bars, axles. Don't forget how senceative the actual track owners actually are...

BelindaS, not quite sure why you are attacking mr bucketracers thread and why you are so aggressive towards AMCC: whom have been accomodating in the past (and have done all the hard work getting racing organised). The only way forward really is to be positive and proactive (not aggressive) and work with AMCC or organise your own events (sorting out hireage, insurance and facilities).

looks like all the talk to get young mx boy there on 85 was never going to happen as that would be a motard bike would they not??

[F5 Dave]

Hi Mr Bucketracer

New to the "sport" of Bucket racing. And I was excited to get involved in buckets. But I have grave reservation as to weather to get into the sport now or not. As should anyone else who is thinking about getting involved.

I don't like what I have been hearing and have witnessed as well, which I think is very sad, as I considered buckets as a steeping stone to other fields of motorbike racing. (Well I mean road / track racing.)

My background in motor bikes has been more from a farming background. My riding started with a DS80, but mostly Honda XL's and XR's of different sizes. I have also ridden a verity of road bikes as well.

"what keeps you in the sport'
Certainly not the shenanigans that has been going on at the moment. Which has affected my family and friends as well. I am seriously considering as to why to get involved at all!!

"and what would pee you of if rules changed"
Well I'm sorry to inform you, the rules have changed!! Mid season!! With no consultation or discussions with competitors within the bucket community.
To me. How this came about is pure bullying at its worst! Which at the moment it looks as though it is supported by MNZ

You may ask what am I referring to. Well it's this message left on my friends answer phone
by Brian Steffensen My friend dose not know who he is and Brian Steffensen did not leave a contact number to discuses the issue.


("Just letting you know that to reduce any further confusion we have added a new supplementary
regulation to all of our events going forward and that is.
Pit bikes such as but not limited to Forza Thumpster and Pitsta Pro are not eligible.
And the final discussion as to what does and doesn't constitute a pit bike is at the discretion of the steward of the meeting and the machine examiner.")

What alarms me the most, as it should you, is the finale sentence.

So basically, it doesn't matter if your bike complies with the rules. If they don't like you because you are Male,Female,Black or White, Guy or Straight. They can exclude you by simply referring to your bike as a pit bike and you do not have any recourse what so ever.

Cheers
Belinda

I will post this on the thread.
Rule change submissions close 1 March 2016 - be in to win.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/177791-Rule-change-submissions-close-1-March-2016-be-in-to-win/page27
Dear Belinda. I've been involved in the sport for over 25 yrs. It has been great fun and good sport. You sound tedious. I hope never to meet you. Try something else, maybe pony shows. Get a lawyer and complain loudly. Are you from Auckland? Sure sounds like it.

[mr bucketracer]

I won't say I told you so, but....
AMCC let them in (as too welly). One to offer up track time, the other result of low numbers/providing an opportunity).
So the cat is out of the bag.
What both clubs did was actually good, the problem was not enough actually turned up.
AMCC obviously decided to clean up their house and did the right thing and notified those affected.
Clubs and committees do have the right to do this, in the interest of the wider membership.


Like F3 and motards: pit bikes do create a small issue on track (those around me long enough will remember a few issues...)... I hold some really strong view on pit bikes and buckets - but I'm not going into this.
So they really need their own class and be done with it.

Not really convinced there should be so much concern around the engines (applying the performance/race rules: means race spec pit bike engines can't enter).
As too, bolt on performance parts.
4 speed means it will never be any better than a good Bgrade motor (even with 20Hp).
It's the frame design, that's the kicker.
The class is called "miniature road racing" (buckets being the slang term).
The intent is road racing motorcycles (not motards)..
I'm sure years ago something was written in the opening paragraph about this.

I'd personally go as far to say, the rules resolve the issues, pull the motors out and chuck them into a frame that represents/meets the intent of the class and go for it....
The pitbike/mini-Motard frames do have the potential to cause a significant amount of track damage. Every one I've seen (Auckland, welly and on the north island series rounds) have issues with pegs, bars, axles. Don't forget how senceative the actual track owners actually are...

BelindaS, not quite sure why you are attacking mr bucketracers thread and why you are so aggressive towards AMCC: whom have been accomodating in the past (and have done all the hard work getting racing organised). The only way forward really is to be positive and proactive (not aggressive) and work with AMCC or organise your own events (sorting out hireage, insurance and facilities).after some ringing about there is way more than meets the eye happing here (bullying) is the right word , engines are the key to get ride of them ,not frames it seems .. ok that counts out prombly 6 -7 out the north island .. great guys . thought we just get on and fun out there ( more the merra ) most in b grade and only race for chocolate fish ! if your getting ya ass kicked in A ...well (go faster) , raced with them , never had a promblem ,,not like there doing a 180k on a big track, i'v meet the guys concered , real nice guys

[mr bucketracer]

Dear Belinda. I've been involved in the sport for over 25 yrs. It has been great fun and good sport. You sound tedious. I hope never to meet you. Try something else, maybe pony shows. Get a lawyer and complain loudly. Are you from Auckland? Sure sounds like it.nasty.....

[F5 Dave]

Probably, but I'm known as a nice guy, because largely I am, but talk about bleating.we don't need this.

[Bert]

Jump on Bert time, by team mates.


looks like all the talk to get young mx boy there on 85 was never going to happen as that would be a motard bike would they not??

No - conversion was the plan if you recall. Wheels, clipons etc.
Or a seperate class. But slightly different with numbers and track size.


after some ringing about there is way more than meets the eye happing here (bullying) is the right word , engines are the key to get ride of them ,not frames it seems .. ok that counts out prombly 6 -7 out the north island .. great guys . thought we just get on and fun out there ( more the merra ) most in b grade and only race for chocolate fish ! if your getting ya ass kicked in A ...well (go faster) , raced with them , never had a promblem ,,not like there doing a 180k on a big track, i'v meet the guys concered , real nice guys

There is likely more than meets the eye on the decision.
P.s. Not saying the guys aren't nice and more the merrier.
But you're right.

[mr bucketracer]

Probably, but I'm known as a nice guy, because largely I am, but talk about bleating.we don't need this.in a nut shell ,a heap of guys have been told not to race in buckets again because ?someone knows the true:Police:

[kel]

Are you from Auckland? Sure sounds like it.
Steady on. We're not so bad :confused:

[FastFred]

Yes we are ...... :lol:

[jasonu]

after some ringing about there is way more than meets the eye happing here (bullying) is the right word , engines are the key to get ride of them ,not frames it seems .. ok that counts out prombly 6 -7 out the north island .. great guys . thought we just get on and fun out there ( more the merra ) most in b grade and only race for chocolate fish ! if your getting ya ass kicked in A ...well (go faster) , raced with them , never had a promblem ,,not like there doing a 180k on a big track, i'v meet the guys concered , real nice guys

Except if the forzas are allowed to participate in any form what about a couple of scooters or the odd RM85 or my mates xr200...

[jasonu]

nasty.....

But appropriate... Some people don't get it unless you really spell it out to them real slow with small words...

[jasonu]

Steady on. Where not so bad :confused:


Yes we are ...... :lol:

Kel definitely is...<_<

[TZ350]

still called a troll. Brilliant! Cheers B
At the last Mt Welly meeting when you and your mate were pushing the pitbike case you were advised to take it to MNZ.

I understand the MNZ Road Race Commissioner has got involved and ruled that pitbikes are ineligible for F4.

Now nobody anywhere can run their pitbikes in an MNZ sanctioned F4 race.

That is it, its finished. I expect you will need to bring something else to Mt Wellington now.

If its true Belinda, then pitbikes are finished in Buckets, I guess trying to browbeat the race organizers and possibly running to MNZ did not workout that well, should have fronted with six or more pitbikes and had your own race.

[mr bucketracer]

Except if the forzas are allowed to participate in any form what about a couple of scooters or the odd RM85 or my mates xr200...hay , they support the north island series witch is a dam lot better than most do ! and how often do they 6 sidecar at mt welly to have there own class , not offten going off mylaps

[husaberg]

Hi Mr Bucketracer


"and what would pee you of if rules changed"
Well I'm sorry to inform you, the rules have changed!! Mid season!! With no consultation or discussions with competitors within the bucket community.
To me. How this came about is pure bullying at its worst! Which at the moment it looks as though it is supported by MNZ

You may ask what am I referring to. Well it's this message left on my friends answer phone
by Brian Steffensen My friend dose not know who he is and Brian Steffensen did not leave a contact number to discuses the issue.


("Just letting you know that to reduce any further confusion we have added a new supplementary
regulation to all of our events going forward and that is.
Pit bikes such as but not limited to Forza Thumpster and Pitsta Pro are not eligible.
And the final discussion as to what does and doesn't constitute a pit bike is at the discretion of the steward of the meeting and the machine examiner.")

What alarms me the most, as it should you, is the finale sentence.

So basically, it doesn't matter if your bike complies with the rules. If they don't like you because you are Male,Female,Black or White, Guy or Straight. They can exclude you by simply referring to your bike as a pit bike and you do not have any recourse what so ever.

Cheers
Belinda

I will post this on the thread.
Rule change submissions close 1 March 2016 - be in to win.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/177791-Rule-change-submissions-close-1-March-2016-be-in-to-win/page27


Hi Belinda, actually the rules have not changed midseason, pit bikes have always been excluded by the non competition rule, they by definition are not eligible now or have ever been eligible for F4 or F5, but some people like them and a few would like to race them.

I see you are from Auckland, Bucket racing at Mt Wellington has always tried to accommodate pit bikes one way or another in a common sense sort of way. They have bent over backwards controversially letting them race in F4 and as numbers grew offering to run their own class if they could field six or more.

From what I have seen most pitbike riders graduated to Bucket legal bikes but a die hard pitster having been allowed to ride is now behaving as if it is their right, well it is not. It looks like a case of give an inch and they demand a mile.

The situation has been discussed at some length by the committee and generally by the riders in the pits.

I understand the pitsters side had been put forcefully to Mel an organiser (Also Brian's partner) at several meetings. I guess the pitsters have pushed the point far enough that a definitive decision and a clear statement had to be made.

If this is upsetting you and your family you may need to look at what part they have played.

But as it is, pitsters are not an eligible bike so are not going to be allowed to run in F4 or F5 but I understand if you can field six or more the organisers are open to running a class specifically for you and the other riders are happy to give up some of their track time, now how much fairer than that do you want it to be????


If its true Belinda, then pitbikes are finished in Buckets, I guess trying to browbeat the race organizers and possibly running to MNZ did not workout that well, should have fronted with six or more pitbikes and had your own race.

Right as its the MNZ that made the call I guess it was as a result of the rule they in force on all the street circuits.
I went and had a look in the entry forms for a few street races.

PORT NELSON STREET RACES : SATURDAY 2nd January 2016 MNZ Permit # 15788
Supplementary Regulations: Motards are only eligible to enter the Motard Class. No cross entering will be allowed. This is in the interest of safety.

Paeroa Battle of the Streets Motorcycle Street Race Sunday FEBRUARY 21st 2016 Permit No 15873
Supermoto machine shall elect to ride in one of the following classes, BEARS (if eligible) or Supermoto. Final eligibility decision rests with the organiser whose decision shall be final. They are banned from Superlite

METHVEN MOUNTAIN THUNDER STREET RACE 2016 SUPPLEMENTARY RULES.
SUPERMOTARDS: as per MNZ rules. Motards are only eligible for the Motard class

GREYMOUTH MOTOR CYCLE STREET RACE SUNDAY 27TH OCTOBER 2013 (LABOUR WEEKEND) PERMIT 14575
Due to the tight nature of our circuit Supermotard machines can not cross enter into any other class.