Signs of big changes that you might want to pay attention to

[flyingcrocodile46]

3 Stories That Prove the Markets Have Changed Forever
By James Corbett
Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore. Heck, we're not even on the map.
In case you haven't noticed, things are starting to get crazy out there. Not just economically (with
another global contraction already well under way) or financially (with teetering European banks leading global
stocks into volatile territory) or monetarily (with the global currency war reaching a rate-slashing crescendo) or
geopolitically (with new Iranian/Iraqi/Russian cooperation in Syria throwing the NATO powers off balance), but
even socially (with a sea change taking place in the American electorate, not to mention Europe, Latin America
and elsewhere).
Let's take a look at three stories that show clearly that this craziness isn't just a bit of turbulence, but a
sign that we're moving into a new paradigm altogether.
1) Negative interest rates
This week Sweden's Riksbank became the latest central bank to surprise people with a negative
interest rate slash. But this time, they weren't going from a positive rate to a negative rate, but from a negative
rate (-0.35%) to an EVEN MORE negative rate (-0.5%).
Welcome to the new normal, where banks have to pay money to park their reserves at the central bank.
And where Japan can assure the world that they have no plans to go negative...right before going negative.
And where a Spanish bank which had pegged its mortgages to the (now negative) Swiss Libor had to pay
customers for borrowing from them. Or where the Fed insists they're not planning to go negative...even while
secretly stress testing banks for the possibility and confronting the (il)legality of such a move.
For those still trying to wrap their heads around this idea, here's the skinny: central banks lower rates to
encourage people to borrow (and money to circulate) when the economy is stagnating or contracting. So what
do you do when you've been at or near zero percent interest for years (or, in Japan's case, decades) and
you're still stagnating? Well there's only one way to go: negative!
Or at least that's the official line. But as you might have guessed there is a deeper agenda at work here,
and you don't have to dig very hard to find it.
As Washington's Blog recently pointed out, Richard Werner, the economist who coined the term and
the concept of quantitative easing, argues that negative rates are about driving small banks out of business
and eliminating cash:
As readers know, we have been arguing that the ECB has been waging war on the ‘good’ banks in the
eurozone, the several thousand small community banks, mainly in Germany, which are operated not for profit,
but for co-operative members or the public good (such as the Sparkassen public savings banks or the
Volksbank people’s banks). The ECB and the EU have significantly increased regulatory reporting burdens,
thus personnel costs, so that many community banks are forced to merge, while having to close down many
branches. This has been coupled with the ECB’s policy of flattening the yield curve (lowering short rates and
also pushing down long rates via so-called ‘quantitative easing’). As a result banks that mainly engage in
traditional banking, i.e. lending to firms for investment, have come under major pressure, while this type of ‘QE’
has produced profits for those large financial institutions engaged mainly in financial speculation and its
funding. The policy of negative interest rates is thus consistent with the agenda to drive small banks out of
business and consolidate banking sectors in industrialised countries, increasing concentration and control in
the banking sector.
It also serves to provide a (false) further justification for abolishing cash.
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Conspiracy theory? Nope, just conspiracy fact. As Zerohedge notes, Morgan Stanley's head of EMEA
equity, Huw van Steenis, recently gave a presentation which contained the following quotation attributed to an
unnamed "policy-maker" at Davos this year:
"We should move quickly to a cashless society so that we could introduce negative rates well below
1%."
Cripple the banksters' competition and stop the difficult-to-track and hard-to-control cash economy all in
one step? You betcha. Hence we have central bank after central bank turning rates negative or about to turn
them negative for the first time in history.
But wait, there's more...
2) End of the petrodollar
I've been talking about the breakdown of the petrodollar system for some time at The Corbett Report,
both in the pages of this column and in my various interviews and radio appearances. But it's one thing to hear
it from me, it's another to hear it from the (Rothschilds') horse's mouth: the revered Financial Times.
"The petrodollar age is no more but with it go old certainties" blares the dramatic headline over top of a
no less dramatic op-ed from Philip Stephens, associate editor and chief political commentator for the City of
London's favorite salmon pink news rag. In it, Stephens points out that not only has conventional wisdom about
the economic boon of falling oil prices and turmoil in the Middle East propping up prices been upended in the
current downturn, but a third rule (that prices may fluctuate but will always trend upwards) is also being broken:
The accumulating evidence points to a structural shift that will keep prices relatively low. During the
century before the great price shock of the early 1970s the real cost of a barrel of oil was between $10 to $40.
Economists at Llewellyn Consulting in London make a convincing case that this trading range offers a rough
template for the future.
What is happening with this current oil price plunge, many argue, is no mere blip on the radar, but a
fundamental shift that is taking place in the oil markets now. And as we've talked about before, that's not
merely significant for the oil companies but the entire monetary system, which for the last few decades has
been propping up the international monetary order via the "petrodollar." With America moving from a net
importer to a net producer of oil and the Saudi-American axis in the Middle East showing signs of strain, it is
entirely possible that we are about to see a severing of the Saudi petrodollar recycling system that has helped
to undergird the US dollar since Nixon took the country off the gold standard.
So what does this mean, exactly? No one knows...yet. But given the machinations that Kissinger
undertook (at the behest of his boss, David Rockefeller) to create the petrodollar system in the first place, it
would be naive to think that some new system isn't being devised right now. It would also be naive to think that
whatever system comes along to take its place will be founded on peace, harmony and happiness.
So the average Joe Sixpack and Jane Soccermom may have no idea what's going on in the
international oil markets or its relation to geopolitics, but they do know something's wrong, which means...
3) The old political order is collapsing
That we are heading into a new political order should not be surprising to followers of this column.
Heck, it's becoming difficult for even the most brainwashed of the brainwashed to deny that a fundamental sea
change is taking place in American politics, or European politics, or Latin American politics, or East Asian
politics, or...
But once again it's one thing to hear about this change from James Corbett of The Corbett Report, it's
quite another to hear it straight from the horse's mouth. Or the horse's pollsters, as it were.
Last week The Huffington Post published a remarkable piece by Patrick Caddell, a top Democratic
pollster and strategist, and Bob Perkins, a top Republican strategist. The subject of their post? The results of
the Iowa caucuses.
You might be able to guess that old establishment party hacks would be a bit confused, perhaps even
perturbed by the rise of populist forces in this election cycle and the dead-on-the-vine nature of "presumed
nominees" Jeb "cold tuna sandwich" Bush and Hillary "exciting as a glass of warm water" Clinton, but that
doesn't even begin to explain the tone of this piece. They start by quoting an exchange between Louis XVI and
one of his ministers where the king asks if the storming of the Bastile is a revolt and the minister replies it is a
revolution. Things only get gloomier from there.
"Gloomy" from the perspective of the two-party duopolists, that is:
"The upheaval and the explosion of discontent that have provided a launch-pad for outsider candidates
from Donald Trump and Ted Cruz to Bernie Sanders are not, as so many establishment pundits suggest, just
another episode in the long history of ad-hoc populist moments of discontent sure to fade away. Our survey
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data shows that the United States is in the midst of an evolving political revolution of historic proportions. In
fact, this election could mark the beginning of the end of two-party duopoly in the United States."
They then go on to back up that assertion with a series of data from a half dozen surveys that have
taken place over the last three years. The result of those surveys a nothing short of startling:
 84% of Americans believe political leaders are more interested in protecting their power and privilege
than doing what is right
 75% believe that powerful interests, from Wall Street to unions to interest groups, have used campaign
and lobbying money to rig the system for themselves.
 72% blame the stagnation of the American economy on corruption and crony capitalism in Washington
 67% hold that the US government is not working in the interests of the people
 78% agree that both parties are too controlled by special interests to create meaningful change
 75% agree that the two party system is flawed and it's time to vote in new political parties with new
ideas
Now, none of these statements should be at all surprising or controversial to my regular readers. If
anything, they're a bit weak in their critique of the current system. But the startling thing is that this is not a poll
of International Forecaster readers or alternative media acolytes. This is a poll of Americans of all stripes
across the meaningless left/right party lines.
It is becoming more and more apparent by the day that the lie that we've been sold for decades -- that
we're a marginalized, fringe minority and will never be taken seriously -- is just another lie that's been sold to
the public through the PR vehicle of the mainstream news. In fact, the vast majority of Americans are
completely fed up and are looking for fundamental change. Suddenly Sanders and Trump don't seem like
minor blips on the political radar so much as the expression of a growing resolve by the American people to
change the way the game is played.
And this is by no means a solely American phenomenon. The migration crisis in Europe is causing a
similar seismic shift in political discourse and sentiment across the continent. Merkel has gone from "Person of
the Year" to fighting for her political life in record time. The inevitable reaction to political correctness and
enforced pan-European multiculturalism is taking place right now and unleashing populist forces that are
threatening to decimate the political order in Europe and perhaps the European Union itself.
Latin America has likewise seen a profound shift taking place in recent months with the disintegration of
what was left of the Chavez regime in the Venezuelan meltdown, the swing to the right in the Argentinian
presidential election and the destabilization of Rouseff in Brazil. In fact, with the Middle East even more of a
tinderbox than usual and the Asia-Pacific continuing to heat up along new economic and political fault lines, it's
difficult to find an area of the globe where the political order is not at risk of being upended.
Now this in and of itself is neither good news nor bad news. When the towers of the existing political
order are toppled, revolutions tend to revolve back to the same spot one way or another and the "populist"
forces that are being released have more than a slight stink of authoritarianism to them. All it takes is the right
strong man to come along and galvanize public opinion for the political order to coalesce into something even
more tyrannical. And in such revolutionary moments there is always the specter of the New World Order from
chaos which has always been part of the plan of the globalists.
But that this revolutionary moment is here is becoming more and more difficult to deny. The old political
order is dissolving. The only question is what will take its place.
No, we're not in Kansas anymore, but we're not over the rainbow, either. There's no Good Witch of the
North to help us on our way and no Ruby slippers to whisk us back home. We're in a new reality, and unless
we get to work making it into a reality we actually want to live in we're going to be in a lot of trouble.

[bogan]

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Yes, if in doubt, get that shit checked out.

[Berries]

Feel the walls of your rectum.
You or your partner will insert the index finger into your rectum. Turn the finger in a circular motion to feel for any bumps or lumps that could indicate cancer, tumors, or cysts along the walls of your rectum. If no abnormalities are present, the walls should be smooth with a consistent shape.[9]
Use gently pressure.

[mashman]

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[jonbuoy]

Economics simplified : boom, bust, boom, bust, boom, bust. Bigger the boom bigger the bust. Bigger the bust bigger the boom. Get ready to ride that next wave.

[Voltaire]

Three Things to Note This Summer:
Weather is warm.
Great Selection of Craft Beers available
Petrol is cheap.

Could not find anything to back this up of a youtube clip to bore with :msn-wink:

[TheDemonLord]

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[Grumph]

Three Things to Note This Summer:
Weather is warm.
Great Selection of Craft Beers available
Petrol is cheap.

Could not find anything to back this up of a youtube clip to bore with :msn-wink:

And for those of you who may need more than the above from life, try Depression.org.nz for help......

[Banditbandit]

And for those of you who may need more than the above from life, try Depression.org.nz for help......

Oh God .. I do not need to be preached at by an ex-sports star .. that woud have to be the most depressing thing ever ...

"Oh dear .. I was famous as a sports star - I am so depressed. I made shot loads of money - how depressing. I got to travel the world as a sports star - I am so depressed ... I have a beautiful Italian wife and children ... fuck I'm depressed."

http://depression.demotivationalposters.org/image/demotivational-poster/1008/depression-depression-demotivational-poster-1282771371.jpg

So it's not PC to laugh at depression .. DILLIGAF ...

[bogan]

So it's not PC to laugh at depression .. DILLIGAF ...

To be fair, Grumph made a joke about it, which at least some of us laughed at. You just did a ranty insult to those who suffer from it; which is somewhat lacking in PCness, and empathy...

[Banditbandit]

To be fair, Grumph made a joke about it, which at least some of us laughed at. You just did a ranty insult to those who suffer from it; which is somewhat lacking in PCness, and empathy...

Maybe .. It was meant as a joke ..

[bogan]

Maybe .. It was meant as a joke ..

I don't get it, is it supposed to be funny due to the lack of understanding of depression you portrayed? Or is it more insult and laugh at people for their mental disorders?

It's kinda like the difference between a racist joke, and a racial slur, wouldn't you say?

[Banditbandit]

I don't get it, is it supposed to be funny due to the lack of understanding of depression you portrayed? Or is it more insult and laugh at people for their mental disorders?

It's kinda like the difference between a racist joke, and a racial slur, wouldn't you say?

Read the last part ... DILLIGAF

[puddytat]

Someone needs to lay off the anal pills.

[bogan]

Read the last part ... DILLIGAF

Well, it sure does from where I'm sitting :laugh:

[Grumph]

Maybe .. It was meant as a joke ..

It was meant as a serious antidote for the original post - I read through that and thought, Fuck, anyone reading this and buying all of it, is going to need help...

Then i saw Volty's response and thought, yeah, that should be enough for anyone, but for those who need it,here's a help line...Use it or not, your call.

[sidecar bob]

It was meant as a serious antidote for the original post - I read through that and thought, Fuck, anyone reading this and buying all of it, is going to need help...

Then i saw Volty's response and thought, yeah, that should be enough for anyone, but for those who need it,here's a help line...Use it or not, your call.

Fuck yeah, it must absolutely suck rectum to be the OP, what's the fuck with searching down the most depressing propaganda on the internet & trying to on feed it to reasonably positive individuals.
Imagine living in the bubble of trying to drag others into your dark horrible place so as not to feel so alone with your negativity.

[Woodman]

Fuck yeah, it must absolutely suck rectum to be the OP, what's the fuck with searching down the most depressing propaganda on the internet & trying to on feed it to reasonably positive individuals.
Imagine living in the bubble of trying to drag others into your dark horrible place so as not to feel so alone with your negativity.

Its basic laziness. Its just easier to drag others down. There is a few here on KB that spend time looking for bad shit:tugger:. If bad shit wants to find you it will, but looking out my window right now I can't see anything to worry me except maybe the shed needs painting next year or so.

[Katman]

There is a few here on KB that spend time looking for bad shit:tugger:.

And then there's a few here on KB who haven't managed to figure out that no-one is forcing them to read it.

[Woodman]

And then there's a few here on KB who haven't managed to figure out that no-one is forcing them to read it.

Princess................

[sidecar bob]

And then there's a few here on KB who haven't managed to figure out that no-one is forcing them to read it.

Oh I didn't read it, I saw the posters name & the wall of arse traffic, picked out a few key words, called bullshit, took the piss & moved on.

[bogan]

Someone needs to lay off the anal pills.

I think you'll find the term is 'suppository', and the jiggly ones make me feel good and prevent arse cancer.


And then there's a few here on KB who haven't managed to figure out that no-one is forcing them to read it.

Given the way this thread is tracking; I tend to think the non-essentiality of reading the op's post has been very well figured out indeed :laugh:

[Woodman]

Oh I didn't read it, I saw the posters name & the wall of arse traffic, picked out a few key words, called bullshit, took the piss & moved on.






Given the way this thread is tracking; I tend to think the non-essentiality of reading the op's post has been very well figured out indeed :laugh:


Surely nobody read it?

[Voltaire]

Back to the important world issues, can you have too much hops in a IPA? I think not.
anyone tried Hop Zombie, now that's a beer I would have to hand as the apok o lips arrived.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBIsyaqpHH8

[Akzle]

Back to the important world issues, can you have too much hops in a IPA? I think not.
anyone tried Hop Zombie, now that's a beer I would have to hand as the apok o lips arrived.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBIsyaqpHH8

yes. I'm really nor a fan of the style, especially now that craft beer happens, and i'm less a fan of mega hoppy.

Try bouncing czech for a cheap too-hopped fix.

[oldrider]

The Walking Dead–Donald Trump as an enemy of ‘Greater Israel’ living every day of his candidacy in Netanyahu’s crosshairs

By
Mark Glenn

Just as thunder, lightning, and wind announce an impending storm, likewise, certain political rumblings oftentimes dictate likely futures, and one of those very-likely ‘tomorrows’ figuring powerfully in world events may very well be a short speech by Sen. Marco Rubio following the assassination of one Donald J. Trump that might sound something like this–

‘There are no words, no condolences that suffice in expressing the grief that all Americans feel tonight at the terrible tragedy that’s taken place…On a political level, yes, Donald was my adversary, but there is no doubt that he was also a true American who believed in his country, and in the end, he paid the ultimate price for doing so. I for one will not allow his death to go in vain, but instead vow to all of you, the great people of America, that as President I will continue the work that Donald sought to accomplish in repairing this great country of ours. May Donald rest in peace and may God bless the United States of America…’

Trump’s assassination would (of course) be ‘officially’ tagged on the usual one-size-fits-all suspects within the ‘clash of civilizations’ paradigm that seems to predominate in all upheavals today–some ‘Islamic’ group incensed at his recent statements concerning Muslim immigration into the U.S. as well as his fictitious assertion concerning the ‘thousands of Muslims’ celebrating in Jersey City, New Jersey on the morning of 9/11.

His real killers however will not be ISIS, ISIL, Al Qaeda or some other variant of artificially-created Islamic terrorism that’s been cooked up in some spy kitchen in Langley, Tel Aviv, London, Riyadh or wherever. Rather, Trump’s demise will be the handiwork of radicalized followers of that other backwards, intolerant cult hailing out of the Middle East who have adjudged him to be an infidel, a blasphemer deserving of death and someone who poses a clear and present danger to the existence of their long-dreamed of Caliphate…

Not jihadists from the ‘Islamic’ State, but rather Juhadists from the Jewish state…

Anyone watching the dramatic–or rather, ‘jramatic’–political events taking place as of late involving Donald Trump would had to have been schnoozing away in some barely-conscious state of existence to avoid noting that an open, no-holds-barred war has been declared against his candidacy on the part of those organized Jewish interests in the West who see the money, military might, and moxie of America as rightfully theirs by virtue of Judaic eminent domain. Unlike anything witnessed in recent political history, both sides of the right/left Zionist matrix have put aside whatever minor differences exist between them and have joined forces in preventing at all costs Trump from becoming the next occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, Washington D.C. Similar to the biblical warlord Joshua and his Israelite army assailing the walled city of Jericho with trumpet blasts and shouts prior to its invasion, destruction and then incineration, likewise not a day goes by where the world is spared the ear-splitting noise generated by the Jewish mainstream media, both in America and throughout the West, working in tandem to bring down Trump’s campaign. Hatchet pieces intimidating his being an incestuous child molestor, that he would ‘nuke Denmark’ to threats from powerful Israeli operatives such as WIlliam Kristol that Trump’s nomination to the Republican ticket would would result in the ‘Grand Old Party’–a mainstay in American politics now for almost 200 years–being wiped off the political map, the organized assault against his candidacy resembles some Old Testament plague that is seemingly unstoppable and inescapable.

In understanding how politics in the US works–and particularly those politics dominated by ‘special interest’ groups whose sole ‘special interest’ is the well being of another country, Israel–Trump, politically-speaking, was a dead man walking before he had even hiccuped his intention to run for the Presidency. His independent wealth (making him a free agent and beyond the reach of Jewish money and its paralyzing influence) his independent opinions, his willingness to say or do whatever needs to be said or done in ‘sealing the deal’ meant/means that his chances of securing the blessings of La Kosher Nostra for this particular business venture were as likely to materialize as a leopard changing its spots. Given that the end result of this regularly-scheduled beauty contest in American politics taking place every 2, 4, and 6 years directly affects the fate of Israel, all can be assured that long before the various contestants came strutting down that political catwalk that the self-appointed/self-anointed ‘Judges’ of that contest spent years–even decades–studying their lives, affections, predilections, etc in gauging how useful Mr. or Miss America would be in furthering the interests of the Jewish state.

As it pertains to Trump, it was decided decades ago in the aftermath of various business dealings and engagements involving him, both on Wall Street and within a New York real estate market that is as kosher as Manischewitz that in any political position he would not be ‘good for Israel’. Both his independent coin and independent compass meant that he was beyond their reach, a point he himself acknowledged when he recently addressed the Republican Jewish Coalition and (rightly) attributed their cold reception to his candidacy to his not wanting their money and thus being beyond their control.

Just as all can be assured that there is a concerted effort on the part of the Judean Peoples’ Front to prevent Trump getting enough shareholders’ votes to ascend as Chairman of the Board, likewise all too can be assured that Trump–savvy business operator that he is who keeps his ear to the ground, listens attentively to the talk on the street and knows how the PJF operates–also knew a long time ago the forces that would be arrayed against him and is therefore playing his own game against them as well.

The reason it will be Rubio making ‘the big speech’ in the aftermath of Donald’s demise is because–just as his name ‘Rubio’ translates en español–he is indeed ‘the golden boy’ as far as Netanyahu and his fellow Likud members are concerned. Like a prostitute listing off the various services he or she is willing to render and for how much, Rubio has made clear how far he is willing to go in fulfilling all of Netanyahu’s fantasies concerning a ‘revitalized’ U.S./Israeli relationship with the former assuming the supine position in the face of the latter’s demands, to say nothing of all the war in the Middle East and beyond which Netanyahu has–with his own blood–jotted down on his ‘to do’ list. Rubio has promised that as el Presidente he will see to it that Iran is put back in the American crosshairs, that Russian jets flying over Syria will be shot down and that Israel will be given a free hand whenever feeding time for the beast rolls around and she engages in one of her periodic blood binges, be it in Gaza or wherever.

‘I get by with a little help from my friends…’

All can be assured that on 21 November 2015, when presidential hopeful Donald Trump announced at a campaign rally in Birmingham, Alabama that he personally witnessed ‘thousands of Muslims’ celebrating in Jersey City, New Jersey on the morning of 9/11, tidal waves of panic swept through the organized Zionist community both in America and in Israel.

Not because such a statement was 100% factually bankrupt with no truth to it whatsoever. Those at the top of the Zionist interests food chain, including but certainly not limited to groups such as ADL, the American Jewish Committee, AIPAC, to say nothing of Mossad itself–understood immediately the documented and historical significance associated with Jersey City, New Jersey and the ‘Middle Easterners’ whose celebratory activities taking place on the morning of 9/11 led to their arrest, detainment, and 2 months of intensive questioning by the FBI.

Nor was this panic based on concerns that such statements–taking place in the midst of what is now an inferno of Zionist-engineered anti-Islamic hysteria gripping much/most of the West–would inevitably lead to increased hatred of/violence towards Muslims. After all, organized Jewish groups–and especially their parent corporation, the Jewish state–have profited nicely off of the ‘clash of civilizations’ between several billion Christians and Muslims that began almost immediately after 9/11, a fact stated unequivocally by none other than Benjamin Netanyahu himself when he spoke of the ‘immediate sympathy for Israel’ that would be generated by all the death, destruction, and human misery that took place that day.

Rather, this panic on the part of those enchanters and spellbinders tasked with keeping the American mind intoxicated and entranced in favor of Israeli interests was due entirely to their knowing what would be the inevitable result of such statements being made by a man like Trump, whose every word is attentively heard and weighed by tens (hundreds?) of millions of Americans on a daily basis. Given that this strange meme–the ‘celebrating Muslims of New Jersey on 9/11’–has never been discussed before, amidst all the millions of words spoken about the events of that day covering a time span of 15 years means that introducing such a LOUD and controversial statement into the political discourse at this moment can have but one result–extreme curiosity on the part of those hearing it for the first time.

More dangerous to Israel than the curiosity itself however is what must surely to take place as a result of that interest, where in this, the ‘information age’, hundreds of millions of fingers would begin typing away at various internet search engines, using words such as ‘911’ ‘New Jersey’ ‘dancing’ ‘celebrating’, etc, which then–through the algorithmic process known as SEO or ‘Search Engine Optimization’–opens a very problematic door for a certain group of individuals desperate to keep Americans in the dark about some of the lesser-known events of that day, and especially those events described in news stories with problematic titles such as ‘Were the Israelis Detained on Sept. 11 Spies?’ that was published by ABC News and which read in part, to wit–

‘Millions saw the horrific images of the World Trade Center attacks, and those who saw them won’t forget them. But a New Jersey homemaker saw something that morning that prompted an investigation into five young Israelis and their possible connection to Israeli intelligence.

Maria, who asked us not to use her last name, says she saw three young men kneeling on the roof of a white van in the parking lot of her apartment building. The men were taking video of themselves with the World Trade Center burning in the background, she said. What struck Maria were the expressions on the men’s faces. “They were like happy, you know…They didn’t look shocked to me. I thought it was very strange,” she said.

She found the behavior so suspicious that she wrote down the license plate number of the van and called the police. Before long, the FBI was also on the scene, and a statewide bulletin was issued on the van.

The plate number was traced to a van owned by a company called Urban Moving. Around 4 p.m. on Sept. 11, the van was spotted on a service road off Route 3, near New Jersey’s Giants Stadium. A police officer pulled the van over, finding five men, between 22 and 27 years old, in the vehicle. The men were taken out of the van at gunpoint and handcuffed by police.

The arresting officers said they saw a lot that aroused their suspicion about the men. One of the passengers had $4,700 in cash hidden in his sock. Another was carrying two foreign passports. A box cutter was found in the van. But perhaps the biggest surprise for the officers came when the five men identified themselves as Israeli citizens.

According to the police report, the driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers, “We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem.” The other passengers were his brother Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari.

When the men were transferred to jail, the case was transferred out of the FBI’s Criminal Division, and into the bureau’s Foreign Counterintelligence Section, which is responsible for espionage cases. One reason for the shift, sources told ABCNEWS, was that the FBI believed Urban Moving may have been providing cover for an Israeli intelligence operation.

The FBI searched Urban Moving’s offices for several hours, removing boxes of documents and a dozen computer hard drives. The FBI also questioned Urban Moving’s owner. His attorney insists that his client answered all of the FBI’s questions. But when FBI agents tried to interview him again a few days later, he was gone.

Three months later 2020’s cameras photographed the inside of Urban Moving, and it looked as if the business had been shut down in a big hurry. Cell phones were lying around; office phones were still connected; and the property of dozens of clients remained in the warehouse.

The owner had also cleared out of his New Jersey home, put it up for sale and returned with his family to Israel.

Steven Gordon, the attorney for the five Israeli detainees, acknowledged that his clients’ actions on Sept. 11 would easily have aroused suspicions. “You got a group of guys that are taking pictures, on top of a roof, of the World Trade Center. They’re speaking in a foreign language. They got two passports on ’em. One’s got a wad of cash on him, and they got box cutters. Now that’s a scary situation.”

The five Israelis were held at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, ostensibly for overstaying their tourist visas and working in the United States illegally. Two weeks after their arrest, an immigration judge ordered them to be deported. But sources told ABCNEWS that FBI and CIA officials in Washington put a hold on the case.

The five men were held in detention for more than two months. Some of them were placed in solitary confinement for 40 days, and some of them were given as many as seven lie-detector tests.

Since their arrest, plenty of speculation has swirled about the case, and what the five men were doing that morning. Eventually, The Forward, a respected Jewish newspaper in New York, reported the FBI concluded that two of the men were Israeli intelligence operatives.

According to Vince Cannistraro, former chief of operations for counterterrorism with the CIA who is now a consultant for ABCNEWS, many people in the U.S. intelligence community believed that some of the men arrested were working for Israeli intelligence. For the FBI, deciphering the truth from the five Israelis proved to be difficult. One of them, Paul Kurzberg, refused to take a lie-detector test for 10 weeks — then failed it, according to his lawyer. Another of his lawyers told us Kurzberg had been reluctant to take the test because he had once worked for Israeli intelligence in another country.

The men denied that they had been working for Israeli intelligence out of the New Jersey moving company, and Ram Horvitz, their Israeli attorney, dismissed the allegations as “stupid and ridiculous.”

Mark Regev, the spokesman for the Israeli Embassy in Washington, goes even further, asserting the issue was never even discussed with U.S. officials.

“These five men were not involved in any intelligence operation in the United States, and the American intelligence authorities have never raised this issue with us,” Regev said. “The story is simply false.”

Many U.S. government officials still believe that some of them were on a mission for Israeli intelligence.

As to what they were doing on the van, they say they read about the attack on the Internet, couldn’t see it from their offices and went to the parking lot for a better view. But no one has been able to find a good explanation for why they may have been smiling with the towers of the World Trade Center burning in the background.

According to ABCNEWS sources, Israeli and U.S. government officials worked out a deal — and after 71 days, the five Israelis were taken out of jail, put on a plane, and deported back home.

While the former detainees refused to answer ABCNEWS’ questions about their detention and what they were doing on Sept. 11, several of the detainees discussed their experience in America on an Israeli talk show after their return home.

Said one of the men, denying that they were laughing or happy on the morning of Sept. 11, “The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event.”

That Trump’s statement concerning the ‘thousands of Muslims’ in New Jersey cheering the events of 9/11 touched a raw nerve was apparent from the beginning. The same Jewish mainstream media in America that never misses an opportunity to throw buckets of gasoline on the already-out-of-control inferno known as Islamophobia in America immediately lept into action, denouncing Trump as a bigot and castigating his ‘celebrating Muslims’ assertions as outrageous and baseless. Salvo after salvo was launched, Op Eds and news pieces were blasted across both the print and electronic media, all of which obviously aimed at shooing away otherwise curious eyes from the internet-based ticking time bombs just waiting to go off in the minds of the American people curious to know more about just who was ‘celebrating’ on the morning of 9/11.

Besides the obvious panic on the part of the JMSM, other indicators as well suggested that indeed Trump’s statement was having the dreaded effect Israel’s supporters feared. When it was obvious that Trump was not going to back down from his statement, despite the organized screeching campaign being waged against him and that the cat was already out of the bag so to speak, pro-Israel websites then flooded the internet with stories ‘proving’ Trump was right and that indeed ‘Muslims’ were celebrating in New Jersey on the morning of 9/11. The stories and Op Eds ‘proving’ Trump was right–aimed at stopping people dead in their tracks from digging any deeper–were sewn together from a small number of pieces written immediately after the attacks that day but which then received no follow-up coverage in the days, weeks, and months that followed.

Nevertheless, indeed curious eyes were flocking to the internet and researching Trump’s allegations, as evidenced by none other than the front page of the abcnews.com website itself, which, a mere few days after Trump’s initial statement and all the hullaballu that it created, listed the Israeli espionage story as the #3 most read piece for that day, which is quite telling in and of itself, given that the story is almost as old as 9/11 and not likely to be such a popular item some 15 years after its initial publication.

But of all the noise generated in the aftermath of Trump’s statement concerning the monkey-business taking place in Jersey City, New Jersey on the morning of 9/11, the one piece of commentary indicating that indeed he had struck gold in terms of Judaic angst came from no less than the ADL itself, considered the domestic arm of Israel’s intelligence service Mossad with tentacles spread throughout the world and who responded to Trump’s statement in part to wit–

“It is unfortunate that Donald Trump is giving new life to long-debunked conspiracy theories about 9/11…This seems to be a variation of the anti-Semitic myth that a group of Israelis were seen celebrating as the Twin Towers fell…His comments are irresponsible, not to mention factually challenged.”

So, in other words, the ADL recognized IMMEDIATELY the ‘connection’ between Trump’s assertion and what actually took place on the morning of 9/11 involving ‘the 5 dancing Israelis’ who later that day–AFTER BEING SEEN BY WITNESSES CHEERING AND CELEBRATING–were indeed arrested, held for over 2 months and subjected to intensive questioning by the FBI. Recall as well that according to the piece published by ABC–as well as similar pieces appearing in publications no less ‘mainstream’ than the Jewish Daily Forward–the ‘conspiracy theories’ about Israelis ‘celebrating as the Twin Towers fell’ that the ADL claims have been ‘debunked’ have in fact been confirmed and substantiated by the most powerful law enforcement agency operating within the United States, the FBI.

It is a proven fact that the ADL is an opportunistic entity that is constantly sticking its big nose into places where it doesn’t belong. It attempts to masquerade the fact that it is for all intents and purposes a spy agency in the service of a foreign government–the Jewish state–by periodically attaching itself to ‘domestic’ issues dealing with racism, bigotry, etc.

In this case however, the ADL was not running to the defense of innocent Muslims unfairly accused of cheering at the destruction that took place on the morning of 9/11 as much as it was running to the obfuscation of the Israeli spies who were in fact arrested that day, and, attempting once again to keep this problematic information out of sight and therefore out of mind as far as the American people were concerned.

This was not the first time that ADL marshaled its resources in stifling public awareness of this very same subject. In a piece written by freelance investigative journalist Christopher Ketcham for Counterpunch entitled What Did Israel Know in Advance of the 9/11 Attacks?, Ketcham writes that in the wake of 9/11 and the devastating 4-part series Fox News broadcast dealing with Israeli spying in America and its direct ties to 9/11, that then-president of the ADL Abraham Foxman directly intervened to have this ‘conversation’ stopped dead in its tracks and the problematic information contained therein scrubbed from Fox News’ archives, described in part by Ketcham to wit–

‘Abraham Foxman, telephoned executives at Fox News’ parent, News Corp., to demand a sit-down in the wake of the Cameron reportage. The source said that Foxman told the News Corp. executives, “Look, you guys have generally been pretty fair to Israel. What are you doing putting this stuff out there? You’re killing us”.

Ketcham then writes that within 4 days of this meeting, the transcripts disappeared, replaced by the message, “This story no longer exists”.

That the ADL, the most powerful Zionist advocacy group in America outside of AIPAC, would insert itself into this little ‘jrama’ on behalf of the Islamic community when the JMSM, both in America and throughout the West, is working overtime in denigrating Islam as much as possible in the interests of furthering the same ‘clash of civilizations’ that Netanyahu all but gigglingly discussed with American media right after 9/11 reveals the extent to which organized Jewish groups viewed the entire ‘Muslims celebrating in New Jersey’ meme as a ticking time bomb that could have disastrous results for the Jewish state if not contained. Clearly, the various entities that work day and night in keeping the American mind properly-poisoned in such a way that Israel’s interests are furthered understood that Trump’s statement had just set in motion something that could have all sorts of systemic and sustained problems for Israel and for the chokehold that she maintains over the American political process. Americans finding out that for 15 years there was an entire chapter of the 9/11 narrative dealing with a group of Israeli spies cheering at the deaths of 3,000 Americans on 9/11, deaths that resulted in–

1. America embroiling herself in several senseless, needless wars that have all but destroyed the American economy,

2. The deaths of tens of thousands of American men and women serving in the U.S. Armed Forces,

3. The U.S. being put in a confrontational posture with a nuclear-armed Russia over the issue of Syria,

–And that later, these spies were later sent back to Israel, where shortly thereafter they appeared on a television program and revealed that they were sent by their government to ‘document the event’ of 9/11, indicating clear foreknowledge on the part of ‘America’s only ally in the Middle East.’

In other words, what the Zionist apparatus in America feared as a result of the sudden Trump-generated public interest vis a’ vis 9/11 was the political equivalent of large, dangerous animal waking up from some previously-administered anesthetic keeping it manageable, and upon waking, would then tear to pieces all those in its immediate environment attempting to capture and imprison it. The obvious result of such an awakening would be something akin to 9/11 itself, where the seemingly indestructible structures making up the ‘special relationship’ between the US and the Jewish state would come crumbling down.

And especially if the ‘celebrating Muslims in Jersey City, New Jersey’ meme was just one of several ‘surprises’ that Trump was capable of pulling out of his black bag of political magic tricks. After all, given his momentum and his seemingly impossible-to-contain public support, how difficult would it be for him to begin other discussions–as LOUD and as controversial as the previous one–around events such as Israel’s attack on the USS LIBERTY, the Lavon Affair, the assassinations of 2 brothers named Kennedy, the bombing of the Murrah federal building in Oklahoma City, Jonathan Pollard, Monica Lewinsky, etc, etc, etc?…

…or, better yet, even for him to offer a retraction and an apology, something along the lines of–

‘I, Donald J. Trump, do hereby retract my original statement that there were ‘thousands of Muslims’ celebrating in Jersey City, New Jersey on the morning of 9/11. My staff, after looking into the matter and speaking with law enforcement officials who were involved directly with the events of that day, have learned that in fact it was not Muslims who were celebrating that day, but rather 5 Israeli intelligence officers who were then arrested, held for questioning for more than 2 months and then sent back to Israel, after which time they admitted on Israeli TV that they were sent to America to ‘document the event’. I sincerely apologise if my comments offended anyone in the Islamic community.’

And all can be assured that something along these lines was precisely what Trump was prepared to do, and that in some fashion–back door or otherwise–he let those goombahs making up the organized Jewish power structure know that this might be the next ‘surprise’ coming out of his black bag of political magic tricks if certain concessions favorable to him were not met.

All can abandon the notion that Trump somehow found himself in the midst of some ‘senior moment’ and that he ‘misremembered’ hearing that Muslims were celebrating on the morning of 9/11. The possibility that in the midst of this terrible event taking place on 9/11–IN TRUMP’S BACKYARD no less–and that with all the well-connected and influential people that he knows, from police to intelligence to military, along with with his access to ‘inside’ information not readily available to the average Joe 6-Pack on the street, that somehow, amidst all the kibitzing that had to have taken place in the hours, days, weeks, and months following that he did not hear with his own ears some variation of ‘Did you hear about the 5 Israelis arrested on the morning of 9/11 in Jersey City, taking pictures of the Twins and joking about it?’ lies somewhere between the improbable and the impossible.

Indeed, Donald Trump, a big shark in a tank full of other big sharks, a man who makes sure to know from A to Z the particulars of a business venture long before he commits himself to any investment, knew when he stood on that stage in Birmingham, Alabama on 21 November 2015 that the ‘cheering Muslims’ in New Jersey on the morning of 9/11 were in fact not Muslims at all, but rather Jews working for Israeli intelligence, a skeleton which Israel and her supporters desperately need to keep hidden away in that closet.

The obvious question that must be asked therefore is–why would he do such a thing? Why set in motion ‘jrama’ such as this, knowing what kind of noise and controversy something like this must by its very nature create?

The question basically answers itself–controversy, or better yet, scandal. The topic of the ‘5 dancing Israelis’ arrested on 9/11 is the stuff of coercion and of gaining concessions from an uncooperative adversary but doing so in such a way that the general public is unaware of the fact that a gang war is taking place right in their midst.

Politics, and especially today, where powerful Jewish interests figure so prominently–is nothing more than ‘civilized’ gangsterism. ‘Business’ takes place in the atmosphere of threats, innuendo, betrayal, blackmail, sabotage, subterfuge and, when necessary, violence. The notion that the good of the country is decided upon after long, careful consideration by selfless civil servants working in close cooperation and who have only the best interests of the country at heart is as much rooted in reality as are the stories involving the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny. Nor is there any respect for notions of fair play or ‘may the best man win’. It’s not as much survival of the fittest as it is survival of the fiercest, a situation where whatever must be done to win will be done and with no apologies offered before, during, or after.

Having said this, what America–and indeed the entire world–witnessed with the entire ‘celebrating Muslims on 9/11’ debacle was a shot across the bow from Trump & co towards those powerful Jewish interests chewing away day and night at his chances for winning the presidency. By ripping open the old wound of 9/11 and using the ‘celebrating Muslims’ motif as the dull, rusty, scalpel for doing so, what Trump & co were saying to the Kristols, Krauthammers, Adelsons, Singers, et al who are indeed working in close cooperation with each other and with other as-of-this-moment unnamed individuals, both in the US and Israel, in making sure he does not win is that there are all sorts of skeletons in the political closet that Israel would really rather not be made part of the public discourse, and that with a mouth like his and with the hundreds of millions of ears who are glued to it, he could bring down the whole house of cards faster than these jermites who are gnawing away at the American political structure can get on a plane and head back to Israel, where their true allegiance lies.

Other evidence suggesting that indeed a very serious yet nuanced gang war is taking place between Trump and the organized Jewish power structure out to scuttle his presidency has been manifested in other ways as well.

Exactly 1 month after Trump’s now-infamous ‘celebrating Muslims’ comment in Birmingham, a protestor at a rally in Michigan who managed to make his way to the front row confronted Trump and shouted from a mere few feet away that it wasn’t Muslims who were arrested on 9/11, but rather 5 Israeli Jews.

Predictably, the crowd reacted as virtually all Americans have been programmed to react when anything untoward is uttered about ‘America’s only ally’ in the Middle East, which is to shout down the accuser like a pack of hyenas, but Trump’s reaction was very curious and–all can be assured–unnerving to the powerful pro-Israel interests who heard what he said as the protestor was being escorted out of the rally–

‘Be nice to him…He’s one of us…’

Any other candidate faced with the same situation would have–for the sake of their own political neck–roused the crowd to fits and to fury, denounced the heckler as an anti-Semite, a neo-Nazi, a conspiracy theorist, and put as much distance between themselves and such ideas as possible.

Trump’s response was ‘Be nice to him, he’s one of us’, saying in a very nuanced way that the heckler’s statement was not in conflict with Donald Trump or his campaign and that it was ok for others to adopt the same kinds of theories if they wanted to.

Which brings this conversation around to the next level in what is an already multi-level and complicated operation, which is that in all likelihood, Trump’s use of the word ‘us’ has more meaning to it than some would imagine, something much deeper and which involves more than just the superficial and overly-simplistic plural 1st person pronouns most people would assume.

The first thing that curious watchers of the Trump phenomenon should consider is that there is more to this thing than simply Donald J. Trump. And no, not just in the sense that he has campaign workers, friends, family members, millions of supporters, etc, but rather that he has ‘friends’ in very high places who have as much–if indeed not more–a vested interest in him becoming President as he does.

Although there has been no public mention of it yet per se, nevertheless it can be safely assumed that given his money, his contacts all over the business world (that overlap with the politics of various nations, especially in the Middle East) and his ability to read/engage with people on a very high-stakes level that someone of Trump’s caliber would had to have been approached at some point by one or more branches within the American intelligence community, most notably the CIA. A country such as the U.S., that strives to maintain full-spectrum dominance in world affairs, where the American military and the American dollar wield equal influence in maintaining the status quo for Pax Americana means that someone such as Trump would be seen as an indispensable set of eyes and ears in getting a better picture of what goes on in far-away places. After all, why go to the trouble, with all the associated risk, of tasking the NSA with eavesdropping on the phone conversations of various world leaders when they can get a first-hand account from someone who was in the room while the conversation was going on?

Having said this, and despite whatever denials may ensue from Team Trump as a result, it is not irresponsible or unrealistic speculation to wonder whether or not at some point in the future, the beans will be spilled in some memoir, written either by Trump himself, some close business associate or even one of his children, who will scribble something therein along the lines of ‘Daddy used to do things for the C.I.A. but never talked about it.’

This is not to say or even suggest that Trump is a full-fledged agent/officer of the CIA, that he graduated from ‘the Farm’ in Langley, carries a gun, has a set of skeleton keys and a hollow tooth containing cyanide to be used if he is captured and fears being tortured for classified information. Intelligence agencies maintain all sorts of ‘irregular’ relationships with persons of varying backgrounds who are utilized in certain ways that contribute towards meeting the needs of whatever a particular situation demands. Given his influence, his travels, and his international contacts with people operating at the very top of the food chain in terms of business, finance, politics, media, etc, Trump is exactly the kind of ‘go to’ guy that an agency such as the CIA would ‘go to’ in various circumstances, and in return for his ‘consultation services’, would be thrown a bone or two in the form of inside information that might help him with a particular business deal he happens to be negotiating in some locale somewhere.

This being the case, it is also by no means any stretch to speculate as to what kinds of friends in high places are assisting Trump with his Presidential campaign while remaining comfortably out of public sight in the shadows.

That there is a contingent of people working within the US intelligence community who know full well what really took place on 9/11 and who understand that if drastic measures are not taken soon that the US will become a footnote of history is now an established fact. In the aforementioned piece appearing in Counterpunch, Christopher Ketcham writes of what his sources told him concerning the ‘mood’ of those US intelligence agencies tasked with investigating 9/11, to wit–

“There is a lot of frustration inside the FBI about this case…They feel the higher echelons torpedoed the investigation into the Israeli New Jersey cell. Leads were not fully investigated”. Intelligence expert and author James Bamford described similar frustration within the CIA: “People I’ve talked to at the CIA were outraged at what was going on. They thought it was outrageous that there hadn’t been a real investigation, that the facts were hanging out there without any conclusion.”

One of the first indications that such a wrinkle had developed and that there was some pushback against Likud’s hijacking of the U.S. presidency in the wake of 9/11 was the release of the National Intelligence Estimate in 2007. To the surprise of many, and certainly to the fury of Netanyahu and his Likud party who recognized the implications associated with the release of this official statement–the 16 intelligence agencies tasked with putting together up-to-date intelligence estimates on certain hot-button topics stated clearly that Iran was not working towards the development of Nuclear Weapons.

The political earthquake this document caused was something along the lines of an 11 on the Richter scale, even though strictly speaking it is supposed to go no higher than a 10. The moment this official finding was made public, Netanyahu, Likud, and all those jermites–spies and saboteurs working in the American media, tasked with conjuring up the black magic needed for seducing (again) the collective American mind into going to war for Israel’s benefit–now found themselves with a formidable adversary–none other than the US intelligence community itself, or at least certain sectors of it.

Yes, all can be confident of the fact that within the US intelligence community, there are persons–powerful individuals with pull and with resources–who know exactly what took place on 9/11, and, more importantly, who know where it is all headed. More than anyone else, they are fully aware of the fact that 9/11 was an act of arson meant not just to incinerate the Islamic world, but as well the United States, Europe, Russia, China, and anyone else Israel has deemed must be ‘wiped off the map’ as a preparatory step to bringing about the long dreamed-of Caliphate which Netanyahu and his fellow juhadists refer to as ‘Greater Israel’.

And it is these individuals operating within the inner sanctum of not just US intelligence but also the US military who understand just how serious the stakes are, who recognize that 9/11 was the trigger for a bigger scheme in seeing certain countries and civilizations destroyed in some modern recreation of the biblical tales recounting the destruction of Egypt and Persia and who are waging their own private war against it.

Put another way, as stated by U.S. Admiral William Fallon, former Commander of CENTCOM, revealing that he was just one amongst a larger group of powerful individuals working in close cooperation in preventing the next phase of a period of overt American hostilities in the Middle East–‘There are several of us trying to put the crazies back in the box.’

And the reason why at this time Trump no doubt has help from these kinds of powerful forces ‘trying to put the crazies back in the box’ can be summed up in 2 words–Marco Rubio.

Again, as indicated earlier, Rubio is clearly the ‘Golden boy’ and the favored son in terms of Likud’s plans for re-capturing the White House after 8 difficult years under Barack Obama. Rubio has garnered the affections of virtually the entire Neocon/Likud establishment in the U.S., from Jewish billionaires like Sheldon Adelson and Paul Singer to the uber-vocal support of the same jermites responsible for engineering the election of George W. Bush in 2000 and in steering his administration into launching the present wars in the Middle East that were originally cooked up in the infamous 1996 policy paper ‘A Clean Break’ written for then-Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Rubio, in all his statements and policy positions, from his slavish, prostitute-esque willingness to engage in whatever greasy, sleazy task is demanded of him from ‘Big daddy’–meaning Israel, including but not limited to war against Iran and even war against nuclear-armed Russia, has made Kristol clear the fact that he is a creature of Likud, and on this basis, all can be confident of the fact that the moment he strolls into the White House, the United States and indeed the entire world will step into a time machine of sorts and be transported back to the good ol’ days of George W. Bush, the man once-described by Russian President Vladimir Putin as a maniac waving a razor blade in peoples’ faces. The present ‘Arab Spring’–The Neolib mechanism of destroying the Middle East for Israel’s benefit through the covert use of proxies–will be replaced with the overt use of American military power, and the world will watch in horror as the U.S. resumes its previous silver screen role as Lord High Executioner of millions of Syrians, Iranians, Lebanese, and just about every other group of persons Israel has decided needs to be massacred.

And as hard as it is to imagine, given the immensity of the American-wrought death and destruction that’s taken place in the Middle East over the last 25 years with both the collusion and cooperation of the Intelligence and Military establishments in the US, nevertheless there are semi-sane persons within both institutions who recognize the nature of the game being played, who have calculated the trajectory to all of it and who for reasons related to their own self-preservation have decided that it has to stop. Doing the same kind of numbers game that Trump himself would do in overseeing a particular business venture, these same types understand that the mathematics involved in the 2016 election are very simple and yet very serious, namely that Marco Rubio + 1600 Pennsylvania Ave = the dissolution of the United States.

It is for this reason therefore that intelligent watchers of the present political drama can rightly speculate that indeed there is more to the candidacy of one Donald J. Trump than meets the eye…That at the vortex of this contest is a massive power struggle taking place, albeit in ways which seem to elude the notice of the average Joe 6-pack, and that in terms of human history, nothing in the past can compare in terms of the high stakes that are now involved. It must be remembered that the types likely helping Trump along in this endeavor are professionals, types who understand human psychology like a master chef understands spices and recipes and who know exactly how to tickle, tweak, tantalize, and titillate the raw emotions of large groups of people in order to get the reaction needed for certain geo-political aims. It is these types therefore likely coaching Trump on certain positions he has taken, from the ‘celebrating Muslims on 9/11’ to halting Muslim immigration to his contrarian statements on the destruction of Iraq and Libya to keeping Assad in power and of repairing relations with Russia.

Trump–A Clear and Present Danger to ‘Greater Israel’

All of which of course can have but one result as far as ‘America’s only ally’ in the Middle East is concerned–Fury, rage, panic, paranoia and everything in between on the part of Benjamin Netanyahu and his extended Likud family, who are now looking at the prospect of another 4 (8?) years of intransigence, obfuscation and humiliation due to yet another American president who refuses to ‘get with the plan’.

And it is for this reason therefore that these types, driven by the mad, maniacal, messianic operating system on their mental hard drives, have–as evidenced in the news coverage and daily commentary taking place everyday–‘downgraded’ Trump’s status as a potential Presidential candidate. Day by day, like a pack of hyenas surrounding a lion, they nip at his heels in attempting to wear him out and drive him off of the Pridelands. Never before in US history–save for the Likud-engineered cacophony surrounding the Monica Lewinsky affair–has a politician or someone running for public office been subjected to the kind of relentless, open, no-holds-barred evisceration on the part of organized Jewish interests as witnessed as of late involving the candidacy of Donald Trump.

More importantly, as far as Trump, the United States and indeed an entire world standing on the precipice of an Israeli-engineered nuclear war are concerned, the ‘Teflon Don’ has been declared not just persona non grata, but indeed, the walking dead. All of his positions, including his heretical statements concerning an ‘undivided Jerusalem’ (which Netanyahu & co view as the capital of their future Caliphate) coupled with his positions regarding Syria, Iraq, Libya, Iran, Russia, China, etc, have made clear to Netanyahu & co that the mathematics involved in the 2016 election are–as far as their thousands-of-years-old designs are concerned, very simple and yet very serious-

Donald Trump + 1600 Pennsylvania Ave = the dissolution of ‘Greater Israel’

…For if indeed, as speculated here, there is a concerted effort on the part of well-placed and well-resourced individuals to put a halt to the present ‘clash of civilizations’ that threatens to bring about the very Apocalypse that has been the predictive stuff of prophets and prognosticators for thousands of years, it may very well be not just a minor interruption for a period of 4 or 8 years, but rather a dismantling of the entire nightmare, brick by brick, not one stone being left upon another, until finally, not a moment too soon, the nightmare of Zionism and of Jewish power is brought to an end in a modern day re-creation of Rome’s destruction of Judea in 70 A.D.

And it is for this reason then that Trump lives everyday of his candidacy in the crosshairs of Netanyahu, the man who characterized the death and destruction taking place on 9/11 as ‘good’ in that it would generate ‘immediate sympathy for Israel’.

Remember as well, that as far a Netanyahu and his extended family in Likud are concerned, the ‘Caliphate’ known as ‘Greater Israel’ is not considered something transitory or trivial. It is nothing short of the will of Yahweh, the ‘god’ of the Jews, who made it Kristol clear thousands of years ago the nature of this particular real estate deal known as Israel–

‘On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abraham, saying “To your descendants I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river Euphrates”…–Genesis, 15:18

And the only distinction that exists amongst those who adhere to particulars of this property deed is whether the piece of property in question starts at the Nile and moves eastward to the Euphrates, encompassing almost the entirety of the Middle East, or whether it begins at the Nile and moves westward tens of thousands of miles until it meets up with the Euphrates, encompassing almost the entire earth.

Either way, that Donald Trump lives everyday of his life with a Judaic curse on his person is no longer some wild eyed/anti-Semitic conspiracy theory. Applying the same reasoning that the Judaic leadership used in maneuvering and marshaling the forces under their control at the time in having a pesky rebel named Jesus of Nazareth removed from the political scenery, so too have the great, great grandchildren of yesteryear’s Kosher Nostra Godfathers met in secret today, asking with obvious panic–

‘What are we to do with this man’?

–only to receive as a response–

‘You fools, you know nothing. Is it not better that one man die than that an entire nation perish?’

[Jin]

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[Akzle]

tl:dr

your niggaz really need to get morgan freeman to narrate this shit if you want people to hear it.

[5ive]

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[TheDemonLord]

tl:dr

your niggaz really need to get morgan freeman to narrate this shit if you want people to hear it.

Or make short concise points, referencing Articles/Other Blog posts and not posting a giant Wall o' Text.

That works too.

[Katman]

With the amount of debt NZ is in only fools would believe a monetary crash will never happen. We can either spend our lives worrying about it or carry on as normal and hope it wont happen during our lifetime which is the thinking of most people.

Or we could try to effect change now so that it's not fucked up for future generations.

(And this from someone who has no intention of having kids).

[Woodman]

Or we could try to effect change now so that it's not fucked up for future generations.

(And this from someone who has no intention of having kids).

Or this.............

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[Voltaire]

yes. I'm really nor a fan of the style, especially now that craft beer happens, and i'm less a fan of mega hoppy.

Try bouncing czech for a cheap too-hopped fix.

Bit over hopped me thinks ( stokes beard, adjusts glasses) , try the Macs Green Beret also economically priced.:niceone:

[Katman]

So whats your solution then to get the country out of debt? Personally I think you are dreaming if you as an individual think you can change the world and the way its going.

It's going to take lots and lots of individuals to make a change.

But it's happening.

[Akzle]

So whats your solution then to get the country out of debt? Personally I think you are dreaming if you as an individual think you can change the world and the way its going.

collective consciousness. Shit's got power. Just look at what a belief in governance and money has got everyone!

Now imagine they believed in abundance and freedom and peace and baungs instead...

[Akzle]

So when are you and your followers going to have a revolution then?

why do you assume people need to be lead?

[Akzle]

Bit over hopped me thinks ( stokes beard, adjusts glasses) , try the Macs Green Beret also economically priced.:niceone:

i think all IPA is.
Except tui, which as far as i know is just pahiatua's sewerage with the lumps taken out.

[carbonhed]

(And this from someone who has no intention of having kids).

Oh I imagine you're pretty safe on that score........................................

[Katman]

Oh I imagine you're pretty safe on that score........................................

I've been married for 15 years to the same woman I've been with for 30 years.

Can you say the same?

[mashman]

So whats your solution then to get the country out of debt? Personally I think you are dreaming if you as an individual think you can change the world and the way its going.

Puny Human.

[Brian d marge]

I like the corbet report ,open source news

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[sidecar bob]

So whats your solution then to get the country out of debt

Well my solution today was to bust my ass doing what it is I do, along with a team of willing staff, keep a portion for myself & pay the rest in tax, which is a fuckload more than most posters in this thread did today for the same cause. I know that simply by their post count between the hours of 8am & 5pm.
It's a shame that they talk the talk (mainly a load of fuckin shit) but don't walk the walk.

[bogan]

Well my solution today was to bust my ass doing what it is I do, along with a team of willing staff, keep a portion for myself & pay the rest in tax, which is a fuckload more than most posters in this thread did today for the same cause. I know that simply by their post count between the hours of 8am & 5pm.
It's a shame that they talk the talk (mainly a load of fuckin shit) but don't walk the walk.

What, are you finished work already? :bleh:

[Akzle]

Well my solution today was to bust my ass doing what it is I do, along with a team of willing staff, keep a portion for myself & pay the rest in tax, which is a fuckload more than most posters in this thread did today for the same cause. I know that simply by their post count between the hours of 8am & 5pm.
It's a shame that they talk the talk (mainly a load of fuckin shit) but don't walk the walk.

im retired...

[carbonhed]

I've been married for 15 years to the same woman I've been with for 30 years.

Can you say the same?

Nope.

I've been married for for 33 years to the same woman I've been with for 36 years.

Guess that makes you runner up in a field of two.

[sidecar bob]

im retired...

Why weren't you volunteering at the Red Cross shop then?
Seriously, no excuse for not doing your bit for your community.
Is that "retired"on the care my tax is providing?

[Akzle]

Why weren't you volunteering at the Red Cross shop then?
Seriously, no excuse for not doing your bit for your community.
Is that "retired"on the care my tax is providing?

i volunteer at multiple different localities. Not today though.
Today i was working. Not paying tax though. That seems like a fucking silly thing to do with 50% of your effort.

No im retired on the tax that was swindled from me and my forbear's

[Akzle]

not as it's any of your business, nor a social or moral obligation, that i should volunteer/ do shit for free. Cos y'know, fuck whitey and jewgold.

[Ocean1]

So whats your solution then to get the country out of debt? Personally I think you are dreaming if you as an individual think you can change the world and the way its going.


Well my solution today was to bust my ass doing what it is I do, along with a team of willing staff, keep a portion for myself & pay the rest in tax, which is a fuckload more than most posters in this thread did today for the same cause. I know that simply by their post count between the hours of 8am & 5pm.
It's a shame that they talk the talk (mainly a load of fuckin shit) but don't walk the walk.

Or, to put it in words a fuckwit's got some chance of understanding: Pay your off your debts. Don't spend any more of other people's money. That'll do it every time.

[puddytat]

: Pay off your debts. Don't spend any more of other people's money. .

Thats rule number one....

[Woodman]

Or, to put it in words a fuckwit's got some chance of understanding: Pay your off your debts. Don't spend any more of other people's money. That'll do it every time.

And protect your assets.

[Moi]

Or, to put it in words a fuckwit's got some chance of understanding: Pay your off your debts. Don't spend any more of other people's money. That'll do it every time.

or as Dickens said...

Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen pounds nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds nought and six, result misery.

[Brian d marge]

Well my solution today was to bust my ass doing what it is I do, along with a team of willing staff, keep a portion for myself & pay the rest in tax, which is a fuckload more than most posters in this thread did today for the same cause. I know that simply by their post count between the hours of 8am & 5pm.
It's a shame that they talk the talk (mainly a load of fuckin shit) but don't walk the walk.
Im work in Japan...for a well known motorcycle maker

I dream of work the half arsed hours , 9 to 5 ..... that's part time work

As for Flying Croc original post a very good post .... but , I know sheep aren't the brightest

I mean ..ya lost ya state houses , china and the poms own Auckland

And a quite a fair chunk of the rest of the country
And ya are a slave to debt , student etc...
User pays, has turned an egalitarian society , once called godzone , into a selfish polluted poverty stricken
Me me me ....area 51 ( ya go there to visit ...but ....if ya need to pay your student loan off , better to move to a place where actual money is paid ....

And many other examples in between

ALL of the current woes , are the direct result of sheep using the one gift the good lord gave them .....the ability to mimic the frog in the warming water ....

Cant remember who said ; but with freedom comes responsibility, the responsibility to be educated and check ( as a normal part of democracy ) the Government of the day
In all of my years , ( and I was there at Lancaster park) I have never seen kiwis get off their arse and actually do something ...

Springbok tour , fk me west ham on Sunday morning has more gumption

Thats why they chose to sign the TPPA　in Auckland

Now there is a perfect shit storm heading your way ... EVEN the 　MAINSTREAM media are saying so

But back in baa baaa land ..... the man with the nice smile still reigns supreme

( even the Japanese are protesting ...check out our media controls ...minister the other day with a gag in her mouth telling the media where to buy them and how to use em )

You/ we have some absolute psychopaths running the show , wanting a "new world order" and wanting a war so they can get that massive change

Oh well rant ,,sort of over

Good luck

In the camps ( work)



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[Woodman]

I mean ..ya lost ya state houses , china and the poms own Auckland



I don't live in Auckland.......

[Shane M]

At least we have good roads to ride

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[Ocean1]

Im work in Japan...for a well known motorcycle maker

We've never had it so good. This is paradise.

And all the more enjoyable for the lack of whining fucks like you.

[Woodman]

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[Brian d marge]

We've never had it so good. This is paradise.

And all the more enjoyable for the lack of whining fucks like you.
Us negatives are the only people doing something

Say thank you

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[bogan]

Us negatives are the only people doing something

Say thank you

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Elon Musk does more in a minute than you'll do in a lifetime, unless you're talking about whinging, then the scales would be reversed of course.

[Brian d marge]

Elon Musk does more in a minute than you'll do in a lifetime, unless you're talking about whinging, then the scales would be reversed of course.
Who the fk is elon musk
And how do u know what I do

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[RGVforme]

Well my solution today was to bust my ass doing what it is I do, along with a team of willing staff, keep a portion for myself & pay the rest in tax, which is a fuckload more than most posters in this thread did today for the same cause. I know that simply by their post count between the hours of 8am & 5pm.
It's a shame that they talk the talk (mainly a load of fuckin shit) but don't walk the walk.

An 8am to 5pm job??

Where do your work sidecar bob In the 80s ? :weird:

Not everyone works standard hours or does not have access to the internet via work or cell phone these days.

Pity your sad KB stalking of other users post counts and times didn't tell you that speculation never makes a good basis for assumptions.:tugger:

[Katman]

Elon Musk does more in a minute than you'll do in a lifetime, unless you're talking about whinging, then the scales would be reversed of course.

Oh dear.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2016/02/10/elon-musk-just-lost-33b-double-whammy/80086284/

[bogan]

Who the fk is elon musk
And how do u know what I do

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Yet...

Oh dear.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2016/02/10/elon-musk-just-lost-33b-double-whammy/80086284/
... I still stand firmly behind that statement.

[Katman]

Yet...

... I still stand firmly behind that statement.

I'm sure you do.

:killingme

[Brian d marge]

Yet...

... I still stand firmly behind that statement.
There is a time delay .so posts are usually posted before i get a chance to reply

Some of us are still working

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[bogan]

There is a time delay .so posts are usually posted before i get a chance to reply

Some of us are still working

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You seem to find a lot of time to post here during your form of 'working'...

[Brian d marge]

You seem to find a lot of time to post here during your form of 'working'...
The marvels of modern tech

Computers an shyt dog has em

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[bogan]

The marvels of modern tech

Computers an shyt dog has em

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Indeed, though during working hours, workers tend to use them for work...

[Brian d marge]

Indeed, though during working hours, workers tend to use them for work...
Yeah right

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[Brian d marge]

Yet...

... I still stand firmly behind that statement.
Home now
Musk
Solar panals
Last year the utilities in the u s of an a
Complained of china dumping solar panels on the market

On investigation turns out that the big investors ..had , through a German company invested heavily
In solar tech

Then sold all stock either to said German company or American

Long story short the big boys inflated then dumped solar at a minimum of three years ago

To be holding stocks in solar would be a Luke warm activity at best

Me thinks there's more to this telsla story than meets the eye

After all ya don't want electrical shit to work if ya sell gasoline ..


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[Brian d marge]

Or, to put it in words a fuckwit's got some chance of understanding: Pay your off your debts. Don't spend any more of other people's money. That'll do it every time.
Only us poor smucks do that

Other piss others money up against the wall
And when it goes pear shaped we bail them out again

Times have changed baggy. Get with the new beat ....

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[Brian d marge]

And protect your assets.
I live in Japan ..... Most assets are not as big as in NZ

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[Brian d marge]

or as Dickens said...

Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen pounds nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds nought and six, result misery.
And the character who said that ended up on Australia ....after a stint in the fleet

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[Brian d marge]

We've never had it so good. This is paradise.

And all the more enjoyable for the lack of whining fucks like you.

Snip ,,,from your favorite Stuff....

Plunging inflation expectations could lead to interest rates being cut to a record low within a month.
On Tuesday the Reserve Bank released its quarterly survey of expectations, which showed expectations for inflation over the next two years plunging to a 22-year low.


baaahhahahahahahahahahahaha how will they pay the evil ones baaahhhhaaaaa never had it so good ....

Seriously , the bridge has had a new coat of paint , only ever get driven on , weekday mornings ,,and some evenings by very careful Chinese drivers

See my agent and its yours for a very reasonable price

[sidecar bob]

An 8am to 5pm job??

Where do your work sidecar bob In the 80s ? :weird:

Not everyone works standard hours or does not have access to the internet via work or cell phone these days.

Pity your sad KB stalking of other users post counts and times didn't tell you that speculation never makes a good basis for assumptions.:tugger:

LOLs, well lucky for me, I have a life outside those hours & manage to earn enough in between them to enjoy my life very much with an intelligent & vibrant spouse.
Shame some need to work far harder at odd hours in order to make it stick, but good luck with that anyway.
Oh, and I'm genuinely interested in others views, so I'm not sure how looking through their posts makes me a stalker, but great if feeble attempt at a put down though.

[mashman]

im retired...

Lord Bichard, an ex-chief of the Benefits Agency, said the elderly should get rewards and fines to make sure they are taking a more active part in the world (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9630862/Elderly-should-do-community-work-or-lose-pension-peer-says.html)... roll up roll up, come and get your wet dream right whingers :tugger:

[Ocean1]

Snip ,,,from your favorite Stuff....

Plunging inflation expectations could lead to interest rates being cut to a record low within a month.
On Tuesday the Reserve Bank released its quarterly survey of expectations, which showed expectations for inflation over the next two years plunging to a 22-year low.

So, which is it; inflation is the result of poor policy and will kill the economy? Or deflation is the result of bad management and will kill the economy?

Only, it seems like you can't make up your mind, and that it's more likely that as it's in the 0-2% range policy dictates then your ideas about that are just more ill informed whining.

[bogan]

Home now
Musk
Solar panals
Last year the utilities in the u s of an a
Complained of china dumping solar panels on the market

On investigation turns out that the big investors ..had , through a German company invested heavily
In solar tech

Then sold all stock either to said German company or American

Long story short the big boys inflated then dumped solar at a minimum of three years ago

To be holding stocks in solar would be a Luke warm activity at best

Me thinks there's more to this telsla story than meets the eye

After all ya don't want electrical shit to work if ya sell gasoline ..


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Wow, I talk about a guy who is making a difference, who is more focused on the technology we need than what is profitable; and you go in search of its negative aspects. Talk about tall poppy syndrome, given how often you lament others for not doing this sort of thing you should be ashamed. So given that, I don't think it would even need to be a busy minute for him...

[Katman]

Wow, I talk about a guy who is making a difference, who is more focused on the technology we need than what is profitable; and you go in search of its negative aspects. Talk about tall poppy syndrome, given how often you lament others for not doing this sort of thing you should be ashamed. So given that, I don't think it would even need to be a busy minute for him...

And I could claim that Ken O'Keefe does more for mankind than 10 Elon Musks.

I'm sure you would argue that point though.

[TheDemonLord]

And I could claim that Ken O'Keefe does more for mankind than 10 Elon Musks.

I'm sure you would argue that point though.

you could claim that.

But you'd be wrong - which seems to be a pattern for you.

[mashman]

you could claim that.

But you'd be wrong - which seems to be a pattern for you.

It's true. 1 Ken is more likely to change the world than 10 Elons that just invent stuff.

[TheDemonLord]

It's true. 1 Ken is more likely to change the world than 10 Elons that just invent stuff.

Because no one has ever heard of Tesla (bonus Pun Points), Bell, Da Vinci, Oppenheimer, Turing, Babbage, Edison, Wright, Whittle etc. And none of those people who 'just invent stuff' have ever changed the world.

Who is Ken again?

Oh and Katman - Love your butthurt Rep. I must have hit a nerve by insulting your idol.

[mashman]

Because no one has ever heard of Tesla (bonus Pun Points), Bell, Da Vinci, Oppenheimer, Turing, Babbage, Edison, Wright, Whittle etc. And none of those people who 'just invent stuff' have ever changed the world.

Who is Ken again?

I doubt any of those you list who see what we have become would claim any of their inventions :laugh:

He's on the same scale as those you've listed. Much cognitive bias you have towards what you consider unimportant, mmMMmm.

[Brian d marge]

Wow, I talk about a guy who is making a difference, who is more focused on the technology we need than what is profitable; and you go in search of its negative aspects. Talk about tall poppy syndrome, given how often you lament others for not doing this sort of thing you should be ashamed. So given that, I don't think it would even need to be a busy minute for him...
The article was about his investments ....

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[Brian d marge]

So, which is it; inflation is the result of poor policy and will kill the economy? Or deflation is the result of bad management and will kill the economy?

Only, it seems like you can't make up your mind, and that it's more likely that as it's in the 0-2% range policy dictates then your ideas about that are just more ill informed whining.
Poor policy. Poor management

What ya talking about whillis ?

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[Ocean1]

Who is Ken again?

Whiny arsed yank who's never actually produced anything of value.

[Katman]

Whiny arsed yank who's never actually produced anything of value.

See, that's your problem.

You only see value in money.

[Brian d marge]

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Thx 1138 reporting for duty



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[Brian d marge]

So, which is it; inflation is the result of poor policy and will kill the economy? Or deflation is the result of bad management and will kill the economy?

Only, it seems like you can't make up your mind, and that it's more likely that as it's in the 0-2% range policy dictates then your ideas about that are just more ill informed whining.
Right ...
Explain to me how a non existent middle class...the tax base
And a non productive as in producing value ..Economy can in this global environment pay back the predatory debt ...which seems to crept up
I'm all ears.... oh wise one

PS do remember that I've half of the people recipients are on the pension and only around 14 percent are lazy unemployed solo mothers with ten kids and a limp



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[RGVforme]

LOLs, well lucky for me, I have a life outside those hours & manage to earn enough in between them to enjoy my life very much with an intelligent & vibrant spouse.
Shame some need to work far harder at odd hours in order to make it stick, but good luck with that anyway.
Oh, and I'm genuinely interested in others views, so I'm not sure how looking through their posts makes me a stalker, but great if feeble attempt at a put down though.

More Assumptions nice one.Old habits aye.I understand

Thank you`i think my 'feeble attempts at posting crap skills' have come along way with the help of watching others on here.:apint:

[Banditbandit]

Jeez .. more pages of boring drivel ... bored bored bored ...

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[bogan]

Who is Ken again?

Again? who was he the first time?


The article was about his investments ....

The point was about his contributions. Talking about his investments is just more whiny, negative, misdirection bullshit.

[Swoop]

what's the fuck with searching down the most depressing propaganda on the internet & trying to on feed it to reasonably positive individuals.
Imagine living in the bubble of trying to drag others into your dark horrible place so as not to feel so alone with your negativity.
Careful. That is SuckMyCockMan's area of expertise.


i volunteer at multiple different localities.
That's an interesting description of PD... Oops! "Community work".:oi-grr:

[Brian d marge]

Jeez .. more pages of boring drivel ... bored bored bored ...

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Hello Vivian

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[TheDemonLord]

I doubt any of those you list who see what we have become would claim any of their inventions :laugh:

He's on the same scale as those you've listed. Much cognitive bias you have towards what you consider unimportant, mmMMmm.

If hes on the same scale - name one invention of his that I or anyone else use everday.

[TheDemonLord]

See, that's your problem.

You only see value in money.

Really? Without money, Electricity and the ability to manipulate it is still a world changing invention, Same with a Computer, same with Nuclear power/weapons.

So I'll ask again - what has Ken invented?

[Katman]

So I'll ask again - what has Ken invented?

Is it only inventors that contribute to the betterment of mankind?

[mashman]

If hes on the same scale - name one invention of his that I or anyone else use everday.

We're all on the same scale dickhead. You're just too much of a moron to be able to figure that out. Chur for the chuckles tho bro :niceone:

[mashman]

Is it only inventors that contribute to the betterment of mankind?

Hush now, else he sacrifice a chicken to the great god science and see you pox'd for all eternity <_<

[sidecar bob]

So anyway, serious question, what have all you fuckin whingers actually achieved today for the betterment of mankind except preach about it on the 'net?

[Katman]

So anyway, serious question, what have all you fuckin whingers actually achieved today for the betterment of mankind except preach about it on the 'net?

Perhaps you'd feel more at home in the 'What bike should I buy next' threads.

[mashman]

So anyway, serious question, what have all you fuckin whingers actually achieved today for the betterment of mankind except preach about it on the 'net?

I'm retired. Why would I do anything?

[Brian d marge]

So anyway, serious question, what have all you fuckin whingers actually achieved today for the betterment of mankind except preach about it on the 'net?
Thx 1138 has

2 hour meeting about streamling the ordering at HRU
Nowt to do with me but I needed to kept in the loop

Ate lunch

Now typing up my schedule in order that my work will be covered when on holiday next month

New Zealand one will be in you

IF I get a chance I may save the whales , nom nom nom

Finally may pretend to work in order to get me dinner ticket after 8 pm ,

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[Brian d marge]

[QUOTE=mashman;1130948477]Hush now, else he sacrifice a chicken to the great god science and see you pox'd for all eternity
Mmmm nom nom nom chicken.

[Katman]

Hush now, else he sacrifice a chicken to the great god science and see you pox'd for all eternity <_<

Yeah, what did that useless fuck Nelson Mandela ever invent?

[mashman]

Yeah, what did that useless fuck Nelson Mandela ever invent?

The Nissan Main Dealer joke and Morgan Freeman.

[sidecar bob]

I'm retired. Why would I do anything?

Cool, so you have a portfolio sufficient to provide you with several thousand dollars a week of passive income. Awesome, well done you!
I'm also encouraged that "retirement" means I don't have to do anything. . . . I really look forward to that :yawn:

[bogan]

Cool, so you have a portfolio sufficient to provide you with several thousand dollars a week of passive income, awesome!
I'm also encouraged that "retirement" means I don't have to do anything. . . . I really look forward to that :yawn:

I don't think she answers to the name 'portfolio'...

[Brian d marge]

I'm retired. Why would I do anything?
Can I use my American express for a few ounces?

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[Madness]

Can I use my American express for a few ounces?

I thought we covered this earlier? Be fucking choice if the Winnie Gold Card entitled the bearer to a tinnie-a-day though. I'd vote for that shit.

[mashman]

Cool, so you have a portfolio sufficient to provide you with several thousand dollars a week of passive income. Awesome, well done you!
I'm also encouraged that "retirement" means I don't have to do anything. . . . I really look forward to that :yawn:

WTF do I need thousands of $ per week for? I'm only 45.
I have a boring life. It's oh so boring. It's so hard to derive any joy out of anything anymore :D

[mashman]

Can I use my American express for a few ounces?

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If you can wait until it's free, I'd appreciate it :D

[Ocean1]

See, that's your problem.

You only see value in money.

No, that's not my problem at all.

It's not even all you whiny arsed pricks that blame every other cunt for all your problems, (including a bunch of imaginary ones).

It's the fact that you think the whining makes you as good as any normal, productive Kiwi.


Here's a wee test you can do to evaluate who's providing value for their country, who matters: Say you kill all the inventors, entrepreneurs and producers. We still good here? Still quietly sucking on our cold beer in the sunshine? No?

Now, say you kill off all the whiney arsed pricks that don't actually do anything of value. You see where this is heading?

[mashman]

No, that's not my problem at all.

It's not even all you whiny arsed pricks that blame every other cunt for all your problems, (including a bunch of imaginary ones).

It's the fact that you think the whining makes you as good as any normal, productive Kiwi.


Here's a wee test you can do to evaluate who's providing value for their country, who matters: Say you kill all the inventors, entrepreneurs and producers. We still good here? Still quietly sucking on our cold beer in the sunshine? No?

Now, say you kill off all the whiney arsed pricks that don't actually do anything of value. You see where this is heading?

Yeah... Hyperinflation.

[Ocean1]

Right ...
Explain to me how a non existent middle class...the tax base
And a non productive as in producing value ..Economy can in this global environment pay back the predatory debt ...which seems to crept up
I'm all ears.... oh wise one

PS do remember that I've half of the people recipients are on the pension and only around 14 percent are lazy unemployed solo mothers with ten kids and a limp



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"Predatory debt" Don't make me laugh.

Why don't you ask them? They're the ones that borrowed the money. And swore on a stack of contracts they were all good to repay them.

You figured out that inflation doom / deflation doom shit yet?

[Voltaire]

So anyway, serious question, what have all you fuckin whingers actually achieved today for the betterment of mankind except preach about it on the 'net?
started at 7:30 and got home at 6:00.... almost no time whining on the net today, leave that to the unemployed, retired and part timers :laugh:

[TheDemonLord]

Is it only inventors that contribute to the betterment of mankind?

I'm so glad you agree that Ken hasn't done anything of note (because if he had - you would raise it)

[TheDemonLord]

We're all on the same scale dickhead. You're just too much of a moron to be able to figure that out. Chur for the chuckles tho bro :niceone:

Keep tell yourself that - but we don't remember the millions of nameless faceless everymen - yet centuries later, we still remember the likes of Da Vinci.

[TheDemonLord]

Yeah, what did that useless fuck Nelson Mandela ever invent?

He invented a way to unite a divided South Africa.

If you had half a brain - you would realize that all original thought is an Invention of sorts - and so my point about Inventors stands - they are the ones who contribute to the betterment of Society, be they technical inventions with a patent or a philosophical or abstract invention.

[Katman]

He invented a way to unite a divided South Africa.

If you had half a brain - you would realize that all original thought is an Invention of sorts - and so my point about Inventors stands - they are the ones who contribute to the betterment of Society, be they technical inventions with a patent or a philosophical or abstract invention.

Thanks for proving my point.

[Berries]

Yeah, what did that useless fuck Nelson Mandela ever invent?
He was shit hot at knitting.

[TheDemonLord]

Thanks for proving my point.

Do you even know what you original point was or is your brain so full of Conspiracy that you forget what you post?

(Hint - this is what you said):


Is it only inventors that contribute to the betterment of mankind?

To which the answer is Yes (in a manner of sorts) which gives me full right to ask - What has Ken contributed? The answer is nothing, because he's a useless bag of bigoted hot air. Then you try and say that he is worth 10 Elon Musks.....

I dare say, I am starting to understand why you believe in half the retarded shit that you do, because if your ability to comprehend Maths and Reality is that badly skewed.....

[husaberg]

I don't think she answers to the name 'portfolio'...

I think her name is STEVE AKA Katphlegm
319677

[Brian d marge]

"Predatory debt" Don't make me laugh.

Why don't you ask them? They're the ones that borrowed the money. And swore on a stack of contracts they were all good to repay them.

You figured out that inflation doom / deflation doom shit yet?
Inflation deflation I understand ...more so than you

But wtf you were on about ...no idea

Predatory lending ..... About time you thought big

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[Brian d marge]

I think her name is STEVE
Spelt with a " ph "

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[Katman]

What has Ken contributed?

Well he was on board the MV Mavi Marmara for a start.

Disarmed a couple of murdering Israeli commandos while he was at it.

What has Elon Musk done other than pursue a never-ending quest to further line his own pockets?

[husaberg]

Spelt with a " ph "

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Correct:niceone: a few people think is a Fl but is clearly a Ph in PHlegm

[mashman]

Keep tell yourself that - but we don't remember the millions of nameless faceless everymen - yet centuries later, we still remember the likes of Da Vinci.

T'was kinda my point.

[TheDemonLord]

Well he was on board the MV Mavi Marmara for a start.

Whoop-de-fucking-do.


Disarmed a couple of murdering Israeli commandos while he was at it.

According to Whom? Ken himself? and was it 2 (http://warincontext.org/2010/06/06/all-i-saw-in-israel-was-cowards-with-guns/) or 3 (http://www.intifada-palestine.com/2010/07/us-marine-hero-kenneth-okeefe-speaks-gaza-flotilla-raid-disarming-commandos/)? Sounds like someone can't get their Story Straight....


What has Elon Musk done other than pursue a never-ending quest to further line his own pockets?

Tesla - Getting the Electric Car to Critical Mass (where there will be enough people driving them to promote business to invest in the infrastructure needed to support them)
SolarCity - to try and meet the US demand for Solar Power (and lesson the reliance on conventionally generated Electricity)
SpaceX - Private Space flight with a long term goal of Mars Colonization (the next biggest leap in Human Expansion)
And then a couple of theoretical ideas (such as the Hyperloop)

[Brian d marge]

Which one is going to kick off first
West ham v Blackburn
China v Zion
Ukraine v NATO
Turkey v Syria away at the house of saud


Taking bets now


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[Katman]

Whoop-de-fucking-do.
Yeah, because getting aid and supplies to the Palestinians of Gaza was such a self-serving thing to do.

What about Mother Teresa?

What did she ever 'invent'?

[mashman]

Yeah, because getting aid and supplies to the Palestinians of Gaza was such a self-serving thing to do.

What about Mother Teresa?

What did she ever 'invent'?

She proved that style never goes out of fashion.

Betterment = cool stuff by cool people. All discernment goes straight out of the window.

[yokel]

He invented a way to unite a divided South Africa.

If you had half a brain - you would realize that all original thought is an Invention of sorts - and so my point about Inventors stands - they are the ones who contribute to the betterment of Society, be they technical inventions with a patent or a philosophical or abstract invention.

What you're saying he "invented" a way of killing hundred and thousands of people in a nice socially expectable way?

https://homemculto.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/1452086_556844487724968_1986307297_n.jpg

[Brian d marge]

Thx1138 reporting for duty again

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[Banditbandit]

Yeah, because getting aid and supplies to the Palestinians of Gaza was such a self-serving thing to do.

What about Mother Teresa?

What did she ever 'invent'?

Sainthood .. ???

[Katman]

Sainthood .. ???

Hardly.

I think there were a few before her.

[Brian d marge]

Hardly.

I think there were a few before her.
I'm still here

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[Banditbandit]

I'm still here

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http://www.hipsterpig.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/fc550x550navy64.jpg

[Brian d marge]

http://www.hipsterpig.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/fc550x550navy64.jpg
Hahahaaaa. Didn't see that one coming

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[Voltaire]

Who says BMW's are not cool....:innocent:
http://www.saint.org/images/bmw-r100rs/ogilvy-bmw-girls-grayscale.jpg

[Brian d marge]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160218/8587b7fab34b89fdddfa6ea56c37787e.jpg

Not a bmw

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[Katman]

Not a bmw

More to the point......

'S ain't really on topic.

[TheDemonLord]

Yeah, because getting aid and supplies to the Palestinians of Gaza was such a self-serving thing to do.

Surely he wouldn't be Showboating would he - I mean he stopped 2 (or was it 3) Armed commandos with his Bare hands, it must be such a mundane and common occurrence for him that he can't remember how many.

However - does it compare (in terms of Bettement for Humanity) to a program with the end goal of Colonizing another Planet? Because I'd say that is more likely to help all of Humanity (in case this planet suffers a catastrophic mass extinction event).

But I know you won't agree - the Tint on your Rose Glasses is just too high.

[Voltaire]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160218/8587b7fab34b89fdddfa6ea56c37787e.jpg

Not a bmw

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Probably in boxes and ice cream containers where most British bikes live.

Back on Topic WW3 starting in a couple of weeks.

Non mainstream media says so...:facepalm:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ihU39ANFm4

[puddytat]

However - does it compare (in terms of Bettement for Humanity) to a program with the end goal of Colonizing another Planet? Because I'd say that is more likely to help all of Humanity (in case this planet suffers a catastrophic mass extinction event).

.

I think the money would be better spent on this planet....
If such a thing was to come about I would send the telephone hygienists & hairdressers first...





seeing as we're talking shit.

[Katman]

Surely he wouldn't be Showboating would he - I mean he stopped 2 (or was it 3) Armed commandos with his Bare hands, it must be such a mundane and common occurrence for him that he can't remember how many.

Well if you'd actually comprehended the words that you listened to you'd understand that he disarmed 2 and that the group he was with had a total of 3 disarmed Israeli commandos under their control.

He never claimed to have disarmed all 3 himself.

[TheDemonLord]

Well if you'd actually comprehended the words that you listened to you'd understand that he disarmed 2 and that the group he was with had a total of 3 disarmed Israeli commandos under their control.

He never claimed to have disarmed all 3 himself.

In one interview:


We overpowered three Israeli commandos.

And in another:


I was directly involved in the disarming of two Israeli Commandos.

He used the word 'We' - indicating involvement - I don't think he has got his story straight, which makes me doubt what he has to say.

But how is this for Irony - If this was a MSM article - you would be all over the difference claiming it as proof of conspiracy, but when it is done by one of your Apostles - well, you know better than to Question the Cult of Conspiracy Dogma.

[TheDemonLord]

I think the money would be better spent on this planet....
If such a thing was to come about I would send the telephone hygienists & hairdressers first...





seeing as we're talking shit.

I'll answer the first comment seriously - that is actually an interesting Debate, should we invest in things like the Space Program, when there are other issues that could be addressed with the Money spent. Me personally, I take the stance that eventually we will outgrow this planet (unless something drastic happens) and at that point, our ability to extend our reach to other planets will be key in whether Humanity survives or is just another blip on the cosmic radar.

As for the second comment - I think we should send 21 of each....

[Katman]

He used the word 'We' - indicating involvement - I don't think he has got his story straight, which makes me doubt what he has to say.

Dude, your autism is getting the better of you again.

Sounds like you lined up for one vaccination too many.

[TheDemonLord]

Dude, your autism is getting the better of you again.

Sounds like you lined up for one vaccination too many.

Uh Huh - I love how you keep trying to shift the focus away from how hopelessly wrong you are - with insults and attempts to change the subject. But keep it up - maybe the overlords at the Conspiracy Cult will reward your blind obedience.

[Brian d marge]

Nowt to do with Tesla ....spaceships ...saints or even long stroke commandos ...
There's a perfect shyt storm coming your way ... Line up the empire needs cannon fodder again

BTW ....does anyone find it strange how people in high places in the US of an a keep dropping dead ... With pillows over their faces ..

Funny that.




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[Katman]

BTW ....does anyone find it strange how people in high places in the US of an a keep dropping dead ... With pillows over their faces ..

Nah.....must be just coincidences.

[bogan]

BTW ....does anyone find it strange how people in high places in the US of an a keep dropping dead ... With pillows over their faces ..

Name and dates for 3? lets see if you're posting things that actually are...

[Brian d marge]

Nah.....must be just coincidences.
And right before me holiday they start ww3
Bloody fantastic ....
Looks like it Bognor Regis again then
Mind you Milton Keynes seems interesting..




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[oldrider]

BTW ....does anyone find it strange how people in high places in the US of an a keep dropping dead ... With pillows over their faces .. Funny that.

There sure is a lot of it about :yes: - not that you would know much about it from MSM reporting though! :whistle:

Heart attacks and/or suicide by shooting themselves in the back of the head multiple times seems to be popular of late. :scratch:

[Katman]

Name and dates for 3? lets see if you're posting things that actually are...

Antonin Scalia for one.

[Katman]

Dare I make a prediction on Bernie Sanders? :shutup:

[Akzle]

I'll answer the first comment seriously - that is actually an interesting Debate, should we invest in things like the Space Program, when there are other issues that could be addressed with the Money spent. Me personally, I take the stance that eventually we will outgrow this planet (unless something drastic happens) and at that point, our ability to extend our reach to other planets will be key in whether Humanity survives or is just another blip on the cosmic radar.

you mention interesting things. Like how "money" limits this shit. Wait. Thats not interesting. It's ironic.

You also speak as though we actually have a choice/chance against the planet.
"outgrow" it? Please. There is a ballance that will be achieved. Just like the fleas on my ballsacks, there can only be a certain population living comfortably.
"humanity" is fucked enough as is. And since it's likely to be rich folk first, it's unlikely we'd be exporting much humanity anyway.



Dare I make a prediction on Bernie Sanders? :shutup:

can i vote for john key to be on the list?

[Katman]

can i vote for john key to be on the list?

Why bother voting?

Just chuck him in the goods wagon.

[bogan]

Antonin Scalia for one.

Just rounding up the whole natural causes thing to suffocation then, and rounding up the one to three. That's your attempt fucked, wonder* if stephen will do any better.

*figure of speech, I know he is up to fuck all as well.

[Banditbandit]

Nah.....must be just coincidences.

Pillows can be randomly viscious ...

[TheDemonLord]

you mention interesting things. Like how "money" limits this shit. Wait. Thats not interesting. It's ironic.

Okay if you want to be pedantic - Money is a convenient metric to measure Finite things such as Manhours and Resources.


You also speak as though we actually have a choice/chance against the planet.
"outgrow" it? Please. There is a ballance that will be achieved. Just like the fleas on my ballsacks, there can only be a certain population living comfortably.

And how is such a balance achieved? either by Internal pressure (War/Social policy) or external Pressure (Pestilence, Geological event, Other). We might not have a chance against the planet at the moment, but people once said that we didn't have a chance against the Colorado River....


"humanity" is fucked enough as is. And since it's likely to be rich folk first, it's unlikely we'd be exporting much humanity anyway.

When have Rich Folk ever been the first to Colonize a new frontier? Typically the first to go are the desperate, Entrepreneurs, people escaping persecution etc.


can i vote for john key to be on the list?

You can vote for whoever you like....

[Brian d marge]

Pillows can be randomly viscious ...
It must have fallen from the wardrobe
...

sent for a divine source

[Brian d marge]

Just rounding up the whole natural causes thing to suffocation then, and rounding up the one to three. That's your attempt fucked, wonder* if stephen will do any better.

*figure of speech, I know he is up to fuck all as well.
Thx1138 is reporting again for duty ....

sent for a divine source

[Brian d marge]

Name and dates for 3? lets see if you're posting things that actually are...
Bob the builder

Winnie the poo

And little red riding hood

The 3rd of octember 1862

sent for a divine source

[Swoop]

Pillows can be randomly viscious ...

Quite rightly so. They are making up for all the times when they have been bitten.

Obviously, the tinfoil-hatters have inflicted a lot of the biting...

[bogan]

Bob the builder

Winnie the poo

And little red riding hood

The 3rd of octember 1862

sent for a divine source

Yeh, figured the claim was a work of fiction. Still, interesting to note how quickly KM got behind it despite its 'questionable' veracity.

[Katman]

Yeh, figured the claim was a work of fiction. Still, interesting to note how quickly KM got behind it despite its 'questionable' veracity.

Well you could always take a closer look at the cases of Philip Marshall and Michael Hastings if you were inclined to.

You probably won't though.

[bogan]

Well you could always take a closer look at the cases of Philip Marshall and Michael Hastings if you were inclined to.

You probably won't though.

Didn't we already cover Philip Marshall? and jokingly suggest you morons would come up with some sort of conspiracy theory for his shit :facepalm:

Irregardlessly, shit's got nothing to do with "people in high places in the US of an a keep dropping dead ... With pillows over their faces" so you're off on a wee distraction after being shown up as a sheeple again... Oh dear :facepalm:

[Katman]

Didn't we already cover Philip Marshall? and jokingly suggest you morons would come up with some sort of conspiracy theory for his shit :facepalm:


I take it from that that you're not going to bother taking a closer look.

[bogan]

I take it from that that you're not going to bother taking a closer look.

Of course not, you're just saying or agreeing with things that are unfounded, then when that is pointed out, or you are asked to provide evidence; you just change the subject and say more things that are unfounded. It's quite sad really; I'm sure you weren't always like this, but I'm guessing when you used to try and debate the point you were proven wrong so often you've developed this method of distraction to hide from the truth, it's probably got so bad you can't even see it yourself.

[TheDemonLord]

BREAKING NEWS!

Fat People with a history of High blood pressure in High stress jobs are dieing!

CON-FUCKING-SPIRACY!

[Akzle]

BREAKING NEWS!

Fat People with a history of High blood pressure in High stress jobs are dieing!

CON-FUCKING-SPIRACY!

several, actually.

[Katman]

several, actually.

Happy days ahead.