Bridgestone S21 Launch

[discotex]

http://www.mcnews.com.au/bridgestone-battlax-s21-tyre-launch/

I put on a set of these for the two dayer MotoTT at Taupo. Very impressed compared to the Pilot Power 3 I was on before. Haven't tried the S20 so can't compare.

These would be the most precise tyres I've ridden. I'd think where I wanted to be and they'd turn and track perfectly.

Grip is great too. Easily better than the PP3. In places the PP3 would normally start to spin the S21 was planted. In the end I didn't find the limit despite taking the piss on the gas few times.

[AllanB]

Good stuff. Looking at the tyres those fine sipes appear to be only a mm or less deep - just pretty graphics then as they will wear off in no time leaving the real tread. They may as well imprint images of naked women on the rubber.

[boman]

http://www.mcnews.com.au/bridgestone-battlax-s21-tyre-launch/

I put on a set of these for the two dayer MotoTT at Taupo. Very impressed compared to the Pilot Power 3 I was on before. Haven't tried the S20 so can't compare.

These would be the most precise tyres I've ridden. I'd think where I wanted to be and they'd turn and track perfectly.

Grip is great too. Easily better than the PP3. In places the PP3 would normally start to spin the S21 was planted. In the end I didn't find the limit despite taking the piss on the gas few times.

I have been running Michelin Pilot Powers and Pilot pures on my bikes for a number of years. My new bike came with Bridgestone S20 tyres. They would be the best tyre I have ridden on. Plenty of grip both wet and dry. If the S21 are an improvement, then I cannot wait to run a set.

[discotex]

Good stuff. Looking at the tyres those fine sipes appear to be only a mm or less deep - just pretty graphics then as they will wear off in no time leaving the real tread. They may as well imprint images of naked women on the rubber.

What pretty graphics? ;)

https://i.imgur.com/wda8tM1.jpg

[Tazz]

What pretty graphics? ;)

https://i.imgur.com/wda8tM1.jpg


<img src="http://www.aidacare.com.au/media/204713/msp418760.jpg" width="500"/>

[EJK]

What pretty graphics? ;)

https://i.imgur.com/wda8tM1.jpg

Beauty! :sunny:

[discotex]

<img src="http://www.aidacare.com.au/media/204713/msp418760.jpg" width="500"/>

That's from the last session of the day. Probably could go +1 PSI but I don't faff about with my pressures unless I'm obviously overheating or not building enough heat.

The fat part of the tyre is wearing perfectly and it's only the super-soft edge compound that is shedding. It's not a full blown hot tear or anything.

[AllanB]

What pretty graphics? ;)

https://i.imgur.com/wda8tM1.jpg

Killed them! Nice work. :niceone:

[discotex]

Killed them! Nice work. :niceone:

Yep they were gone pretty quick. They're purely cosmetic.

Just measured and I have taken 0.5mm off that side of the tyre over the two days. Not bad but definitely faster wear on track vs PP3's. I'm a bit scared to see what Hampton Downs does to them.

On the other hand, commuting is on the hard compound so may still last ok. If I get >5000km of commuting on top of 4-6 trackdays I'll be happy with the life vs grip.

[slofox]

I always loved the S20. Smooth as silk, very easy ride. Best tyre ever. Apart from wearing out too quickly. Even I could only coax about 7k out of a rear and the last of those k's were probably (definitely) illegal.

So financial constraints meant I needed a more durable option. Like Pilot Power III. Oh yes, they wear real well. (I just got the last front PP3 replaced today after travelling 16k on it.) But they always made the gixxer feel heavy in the back and nowhere near as nimble. Not at all like the S20.

So last week that front PP3 failed the warrant and was replaced today. With, of course, the S21. (I have to recoup finances before changing the rear to match). Which of course means I had the onerous task of "scrubbing it in" - whatever that means. The man in the shop reckoned "Raglan and back" would do it. So did I.

OK so the old front was triangulated and any properly round tyre would feel better but I thought it just instantly felt like the S20. Such an easy roll over, feeling really planted. Just as I had remembered. Even with the PP3 still on the back. Needless to say, the taking it easy bit didn't last long. (I wonder how I could recoup those finances real quick...)

Now to see how far these will go.

[Owl]

I'm loving them too. Rear lasted 5k on the 1290, but the extra grip/feel makes them worth every penny.

My last front was also a PP3 which lasted just short of 16k, but I'll know by the end of Summer how well the S21 front does. If I get 10k out of it, I'll be happy.:yes:

[Bassmatt]

I'm loving them too. Rear lasted 5k on the 1290, but the extra grip/feel makes them worth every penny.

My last front was also a PP3 which lasted just short of 16k, but I'll know by the end of Summer how well the S21 front does. If I get 10k out of it, I'll be happy.:yes:

I found my S21 front went off really quickly towards the end of its life. When I changed the rear it looked about 2/3 gone. It only lasted another 3-4 hundred k's.

[slofox]

Well the rear PP3 was replaced with the S21 on Wednesday last.

Today was the first chance I have had to take the now completed set for a wee run. Being as how it is Sunday, all the usual roads are full of traffic so I went through Rotowaro Rd to Waingaro Road (or whatever it is called). Some good corners and little traffic. Perfect tyre testing ground.

I forgot the tyre was new (and required "careful riding for a bit") after about five naonseconds - that riding on a rail feeling was there straight away. Bugger the careful bit. Somehow, they inspire total confidence.

I don't know how they go on other bike models, but as far as my GSX-R600 goes, these are the best tyres I have had on it. Along with the original S20 of course. If you got a gixxer 6, you owe it to yourself to ride on these tyres at least once. Stick it on your bucket list.

[kiwi-on-wheels]

Tempted to get a new set on my fz6r, im currently running pirelli angel gt's which are a good tyre, but are wearing a big square spot on the rear so will need replacing soon

[Moise]

Thanks for the write-up. Those roads would be a good place to test new tyres. It will be interesting to hear how they wear.

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[Owl]

I don't know how they go on other bike models, but as far as my GSX-R600 goes, these are the best tyres I have had on it. Along with the original S20 of course.

About how I feel also!

Second rear seems to be doing a little better than first as I have now already done 5k on it, so I may get 6k. Front still looks near new.:2thumbsup

[F5 Dave]

Tempted to get a new set on my fz6r, im currently running pirelli angel gt's which are a good tyre, but are wearing a big square spot on the rear so will need replacing soon
My Street came with some of those. Always felt the tyres were holding it back from steering properly. I rode a mates Street and yup, tyres Ihave are crap. Now worn a flat on the back with 2.7mm to go and with panniers on a trip combined to feel like a barge. I'll do boxing day trek then its some S21s I've promised it.

[roogazza]

I've managed just 5 K on a set of 20s' road pootling, hoping the 21s will be better for longer ? :confused::yes:

[AllanB]

I've managed just 5 K on a set of 20s' road pootling, hoping the 21s will be better for longer ? :confused::yes:

Strikes me as acceptable for a sport tyre on NZ roads.

[SVboy]

Just loving the S21s on my GSXR 600. So confidence inspiring. I would expect to get no more than 5 k out of them, if that.

[slofox]

I've managed just 5 K on a set of 20s' road pootling, hoping the 21s will be better for longer ? :confused::yes:


Just loving the S21s on my GSXR 600. So confidence inspiring. I would expect to get no more than 5 k out of them, if that.


If we can believe the publicity about the S21, we should get up to 30% more than an S20. So maybe 6500k.

[mossy1200]

Strikes me as acceptable for a sport tyre on NZ roads.

Im at 4.7 on super corsas spv2 and looks like they will reach 6+

[Ocean1]

My Street came with some of those. Always felt the tyres were holding it back from steering properly. I rode a mates Street and yup, tyres Ihave are crap. Now worn a flat on the back with 2.7mm to go and with panniers on a trip combined to feel like a barge. I'll do boxing day trek then its some S21s I've promised it.

From experience, if you wear a big flat on an S21 it'll be shit too.

Took me 3500k to do that, and you could probably do another 3000k wearing more flat if you continued trundling around the south in the rain.

It skated around a bunch in the wet, there I got to say. Not a problem if you ever feel the need to explore the side regions, it seemed to hold on quite nicely there. It's when you pull out to pass the tour buses it gets more interesting than might be strictly necessary.

[AllanB]

Im at 4.7 on super corsas spv2 and looks like they will reach 6+

Impressive. I got 5 out of my rear Corsa, fronts still on at 7.5.

[mossy1200]

Impressive. I got 5 out of my rear Corsa, fronts still on at 7.5.

I have the opposite. The front sides are the lowest and the rear seems to have a lot more life left.

[Owl]

Just fitted my 3rd S21 rear and did manage to break the 6k mark with the second.:yes:

[F5 Dave]

All mounted upbut its been raining today- Waaa! Waaa!

[F5 Dave]

Oooh. Swoopy.


Now is that the most concise tyre review ever?:msn-wink:

[Owl]

No but perhaps if you were reviewing parachutes:rolleyes:

[F5 Dave]

1\2 a tank of gas, I'm not exploring the limits of grip. But the profiles sure are a lot nicer than my buggered GTs.

And now its raining again.

[slofox]

2000km so far and I still love these tyres. No obvious wear yet. But then I am an ol' fart who only rides it to church on Sundays...:rolleyes: :devil2:

[F5 Dave]

I near!y got to a Norwegian church today (indeed a sunday) but turned back . I'll check it out on Googleto see if its worth the scout, out west of Morrisville Wairarapa.
Very happy with these tyres.

[nzspokes]

2000km so far and I still love these tyres. No obvious wear yet. But then I am an ol' fart who only rides it to church on Sundays...:rolleyes: :devil2:

Im on new Power3s on da sevenfiddy. Will try S21s next I think.

[slofox]

Im on new Power3s on da sevenfiddy. Will try S21s next I think.

I have used a few sets of p.power 3's. Awesome wear but not as nice on the 6 as the 20/21 series

[Bassmatt]

3 track days and around 7500 ks on the rear, maybe another 1000 left.
:niceone::niceone::niceone:

[roogazza]

3 track days and around 7500 ks on the rear, maybe another 1000 left.
:niceone::niceone::niceone:
I'd be real happy with that.

[Schematica]

If anyone from Christchurch is curious about price local

for 180/55R17 & 120/70R17 ( Cash and carry)

Avoncity Suzuki - 459
Budget motorcycle spares - 588
Traction - 537
Norjos' - 599

as you can see pays to shop around, Boyds had them online with free shipping for little more then avon city

[AllanB]

If anyone from Christchurch is curious about price local

for 180/55R17 & 120/70R17 ( Cash and carry)

Avoncity Suzuki - 459
Budget motorcycle spares - 588
Traction - 537
Norjos' - 599

as you can see pays to shop around, Boyds had them online with free shipping for little more then avon city

Avon City have been doing bulk buy in deals for some years now I got some T30's when they first came out for the Honda. I don't think they make F-all on the hoops, but it gets punters in the shop.

[Premature Accelerato]

I've been running Battleaxe 03s and 02s over the years on my trackday bike. Has anyone run the same as me and changed over to S21s. I am on my last tire now and am looking for a change. Loved the Battleaxes but from what I can make out, they have been discontinued or am I wrong on that. Thanks for any opinions.

[SVboy]

I have used 003s on track years ago. Great tyres. I suggest S21s are better.

[Corse1]

Had S20's on my 999. Loved them. RSV came with pilot powers which I immediately did not like. Just scored a set of S20 Evo's for $328. The 21's will have to wait until these are worn out. :yes:

[AllanB]

Meh - loving my Pirellis - fronts coming up soon, currently Rosso Corsa - going to go Rosso III. Went from Corsa rear to Rosso II rear a few thousand back, I've not noticed any difference between the two. Probably how I ride ......

Ducati & Pirelli - keeping the dream alive.

[SVboy]

Meh - loving my Pirellis - fronts coming up soon, currently Rosso Corsa - going to go Rosso III. Went from Corsa rear to Rosso II rear a few thousand back, I've not noticed any difference between the two. Probably how I ride ......

Ducati & Pirelli - keeping mechanics employed.

Edited to reflect reality!

[AllanB]

Edited to reflect reality!

Meh - nothing but oil and filters so far ;)

[mossy1200]

I just priced some super corsa sp replacements and at 800 plus fitting I might consider alternatives now. What are these s21 tyres worth a set?

[AllanB]

I just priced some super corsa sp replacements and at 800 plus fitting I might consider alternatives now. What are these s21 tyres worth a set?

Ouch!!!!

From the above post in Christchurch the S21 are:

for 180/55R17 & 120/70R17 ( Cash and carry)

Avoncity Suzuki - 459
Budget motorcycle spares - 588
Traction - 537
Norjos' - 599

You'll have a 190 at least on the back I presume.

[AllanB]

I just priced some super corsa sp replacements and at 800 plus fitting I might consider alternatives now. What are these s21 tyres worth a set?

Thought of the Rosso III if you like your Pirellis? For road use I reckon you'll be happy - TM shows a pair considerably cheaper than the Corsa SP. Similar to the Bridgestone S21 (well apart from the Avon Suzuki steal).

I'm thinking the S21's are very good for the sole reason I'm seeing a lot of them on bikes and for years NZ has had a wet dream relationship with Mitchelins.

TM shows the Pilot Power 3's are priced well.


Are we not blessed for excellent rubber?

[mossy1200]

Thought of the Rosso III if you like your Pirellis? For road use I reckon you'll be happy - TM shows a pair considerably cheaper than the Corsa SP. Similar to the Bridgestone S21 (well apart from the Avon Suzuki steal).

I'm thinking the S21's are very good for the sole reason I'm seeing a lot of them on bikes and for years NZ has had a wet dream relationship with Mitchelins.

TM shows the Pilot Power 3's are priced well.


Are we not blessed for excellent rubber?

Yeah. I think I have 1k left still. Sides of front are getting low. Rear in very good condition. 4800km so far. Rear is a 200 so some choices are not there.

[Owl]

Yeah. I think I have 1k left still. Sides of front are getting low. Rear in very good condition. 4800km so far. Rear is a 200 so some choices are not there.

Boyds have the S21 in 200/55-17 for $310. Front is $205 but prices include shipping if that helps.

[F5 Dave]

Go see TSS Mossy. Mid 400s for bare tyres. Well at least for my 180 rear. Taking rims in saves of course.

[SVboy]

I just loves the S21s. A hard ride on a hot day saw some obvious graining. Be interesting to see how they go on the track next weekend, weather willing.

[AllanB]

Boyds have the S21 in 200/55-17 for $310. Front is $205 but prices include shipping if that helps.

Do it Mossy - $800 for those Pirellis is nuts! You'll have $300 left for part of your rego .......:bleh:

[mossy1200]

Do it Mossy - $800 for those Pirellis is nuts! You'll have $300 left for part of your rego .......:bleh:

My rear rim is half inch wider than most so some of the price issue is 200 rear tyre so the price difference is reduced from the 180 prices due to the other 200 tyres also being dearer.
Next issue is that I do only 3k a year so that $800 equal to almost 2 years on the bike. If I was doing big km idd be forced to change.
Another factor for me is the tyre weight and the pir is 1kg lighter than all the other brands and front is about the same as others. Plus I would be going from a known handling performance which is superb to unknown assuming some tyres don't suit some bikes.

Next is that I can put the used rear on my track bike each time they get replaced and have 3 good track days from them.

I guess when I get it back from the shop after another warranty claim ill see what money is in my pocket at change over. havent even ridden it this year so the existing tyres are not wearing out.

Note. Dont hit me with the part time rider stuff. Im on the other bike a lot and its tyres last 25k.

[mossy1200]

Boyds have the S21 in 200/55-17 for $310. Front is $205 but prices include shipping if that helps.

That's a fair bit cheaper. Gives me an option.


Jay L at the bike shop has recommended either staying on sp or getting RS10s as a replacement if I want to keep the performance I already have.

[AllanB]

I guess when I get it back from the shop after another warranty claim ill see what money is in my pocket at change over. havent even ridden it this year so the existing tyres are not wearing out.


Ah - what's in in for this time. Ypu know you can't claim tyre wear under your warranty!

[mossy1200]

Ah - what's in in for this time. Ypu know you can't claim tyre wear under your warranty!

Just no brakes again and steering damper let the oil out.

[Owl]

Just no brakes again and steering damper let the oil out.

Nothing serious then?:laugh:

[mossy1200]

Nothing serious then?:laugh:

Nah its claim 8 I think. Back brakes might be 5th or 6th time. New master cylinder might fix it. I think the parts are on the way but its hard to tell.

[AllanB]

Nah its claim 8 I think. Back brakes might be 5th or 6th time. New master cylinder might fix it. I think the parts are on the way but its hard to tell.

Brembo fancy monobloc units and radial master cylinder (front anyway) on that beast surely? And the damper - Ohlins?

[mossy1200]

Brembo fancy monobloc units and radial master cylinder (front anyway) on that beast surely? And the damper - Ohlins?

crc damper. Only the rr version has ohlins electronic damper. Nissan front master and brembo brakes but front is all good.
Rear brake issues failing every 700km ends up full of air. Brembo rear master in a very hot location.

[AllanB]

crc damper. Only the rr version has ohlins electronic damper. Nissan front master and brembo brakes but front is all good.
Rear brake issues failing every 700km ends up full of air. Brembo rear master in a very hot location.

Italians! Bet it looks really nice though :niceone:

Lookout - some bugger will pipe wrap it, and recover your seat in vintage brown leather.

[mossy1200]

Italians! some bugger will pipe wrap it.


This may happen in the area that goes past the master if problem continues out of warranty.

[Owl]

Just fitted my 3rd S21 rear and did manage to break the 6k mark with the second.:yes:

Ok nearly 6k out of third rear and 12k from the front. PP3's next, but only because they were cheap.

[Ocean1]

Ok nearly 6k out of third rear and 12k from the front. PP3's next, but only because they were cheap.

I'll be interested to see what you think of them, in terms of carcass stiffness they're at the opposite end of the spectrum from the OE Dunlops.

[Owl]

Familiar with the PP3 front (16k), but the rear is a bit unknown. Michelin do have the advantage they're nice and easy to fit, but I think I'll be dialing back the right hand a little compared to the S21's.

[Ocean1]

Familiar with the PP3 front (16k), but the rear is a bit unknown. Michelin do have the advantage they're nice and easy to fit, but I think I'll be dialing back the right hand a little compared to the S21's.

I changed from a PP2 on the 1125 to a PP3. Was quite a bit squirmier, wasn't keen, it let go nice and progressively but I didn't feel as well connected if that makes sense.

Have only run an S21 and 2 of the original Dunlop Sportsmax on the KTM. The S21 is wearing well but I may still go back to the Dunlop next. Having first saved up the extra hundred bux and remembered to give the shop plenty of time to find one for me.

[Moise]

I changed from a PP2 on the 1125 to a PP3. Was quite a bit squirmier, wasn't keen, it let go nice and progressively but I didn't feel as well connected if that makes sense.
.
I ran a set of PP3 on the ZZR1200. The front was fine, but the rear felt squirmy, and also slid too easily when the road surface was changeable. Finally, it managed to squirm, spin and slide all at the same time, really scaring me. So it came off, even though it was only half worn.

The front was much better.



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[roogazza]

Ok nearly 6k out of third rear and 12k from the front. PP3's next, but only because they were cheap.

Where do you buy in Palmy Nth Owl ? thought I might try some PP3s myself. :confused:

[Ocean1]

I ran a set of PP3 on the ZZR1200. The front was fine, but the rear felt squirmy, and also slid too easily when the road surface was changeable. Finally, it managed to squirm, spin and slide all at the same time, really scaring me. So it came off, even though it was only half worn.

The front was much better.



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Yeah, I think the 1125 weighed 174Kg, I can imagine a PP3 rear would be a bit unnerving on a heavier bike. Not sure which way the later PPs have gone, I seem to recall someone said they'd pulled back a bit from the very light construction, I know you get more options with the Pilot Roads nowadays.

[Moise]

A bit unnerving ... It was the worst moment I've had on a bike for 30 years!

I tried the SportSmart after that, best tyres I've ever run on that bike. They've done 7000 kms and the rear will probably last another 1000 or so.

There is now the Power RS, which is getting good reviews so far.

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[Owl]

Where do you buy in Palmy Nth Owl ? thought I might try some PP3s myself. :confused:

I don't buy in Palmy. Boyds have sets on special in 3 sizes (180/55, 190/50, 190/55) for $419 delivered.

http://www.boydmotorcycles.co.nz/store/ProductDetails.aspx?n=Road-Tyre-Set-Michelin-Pilot-Power-3-(Radial)-120-70-17-180-55-17&p=108582&t=4&c=71141

[roogazza]

I don't buy in Palmy. Boyds have sets on special in 3 sizes (180/55, 190/50, 190/55) for $419 delivered.

http://www.boydmotorcycles.co.nz/store/ProductDetails.aspx?n=Road-Tyre-Set-Michelin-Pilot-Power-3-(Radial)-120-70-17-180-55-17&p=108582&t=4&c=71141

Boyds , cheers for the reply Owl.

I popped into the Honda shop Palmy and was quoted S20s for $464 (S21s dearer again).
Seems a new owner in there too, Scott Newton from Shannon . That was a surprise !

[Owl]

Seems a new owner in there too, Scott Newton from Shannon . That was a surprise !

Had heard it was coming, so that's good. Wasn't a fan of the Carian's.

[slofox]

Took the 2000km old S21's through the lower Coro loop today (Paeroa, Waihi, Whangamata, over Kopu to Thames.) Last few times have been on PP3's.

That sort of road really shows up the benefits of the S21 (well, on my particular bike anyway) - I've said it before but it's like riding on a rail. Through those tight corners they just tip over and over and keep going as long and as deep as you want. Even on the wet* I didn't feel anything go wandering at any time. Certainly a nice experience.

Anyway I love those tyres and am pleased to see few signs of wear as yet.


* If you head north from Whangamata, there is a hill just before SH25a goes left off SH25. An excellent hill to ride, 'cept that every time I fucking ride it, there's a lone shower cloud hanging over it pissing rain. What the hell?

[nzspokes]

Yeah, I think the 1125 weighed 174Kg, I can imagine a PP3 rear would be a bit unnerving on a heavier bike. Not sure which way the later PPs have gone, I seem to recall someone said they'd pulled back a bit from the very light construction, I know you get more options with the Pilot Roads nowadays.

Im pretty happy with the PP3s on the Sevenfiddy. Ive had no moments on them even on the track. But nothing like the torque etc of ya KTM.

[caspernz]

PP3s on my Busa, no problem as long as you keep decent pressures in them. Ditto for the S20s I've had on previously. Might try S21s at some point, just for research purposes haha!

[Moise]

Took the 2000km old S21's through the lower Coro loop today (Paeroa, Waihi, Whangamata, over Kopu to Thames.) Last few times have been on PP3's.

That sort of road really shows up the benefits of the S21 (well, on my particular bike anyway) - I've said it before but it's like riding on a rail. Through those tight corners they just tip over and over and keep going as long and as deep as you want. Even on the wet* I didn't feel anything go wandering at any time. Certainly a nice experience.

Anyway I love those tyres and am pleased to see few signs of wear as yet.


* If you head north from Whangamata, there is a hill just before SH25a goes left off SH25. An excellent hill to ride, 'cept that every time I fucking ride it, there's a lone shower cloud hanging over it pissing rain. What the hell?

Never rains when I ride it, must be you!

It's a great section of road, isn't it. I can't decide whether I prefer uphill or down.

The M7RR feel the same as you describe. So much fun trail braking into those corners and then leaning the bike way over.

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[Verzent]

Have a set of S21's on my hornet and love them. Done around 2000kms and look barely worn.

[OddDuck]

Had a flat on my rear S21 yesterday - had to ride Castlepoint to Masterton on 20-ish psi.

These are brilliant tyres but I've just gone out and bought a CO2 + hand pump for the emergency kit... the tyre went from 5/6th's new to just barely WOF legal in that one stretch of road. Very, very rapid wear, gobs of rubber coming off. A crying shame but there wasn't any alternative.

[george formby]

Had a flat on my rear S21 yesterday - had to ride Castlepoint to Masterton on 20-ish psi.

These are brilliant tyres but I've just gone out and bought a CO2 + hand pump for the emergency kit... the tyre went from 5/6th's new to just barely WOF legal in that one stretch of road. Very, very rapid wear, gobs of rubber coming off. A crying shame but there wasn't any alternative.

I did a few k's on a flat rear T30. What a mess, the ultimate track day refugee. Big balls of rubber hanging off everywhere. Mind you, it's still going strong 7000km's later. Tough tires.

[slofox]

Had a flat on my rear S21 yesterday - had to ride Castlepoint to Masterton on 20-ish psi.

These are brilliant tyres but I've just gone out and bought a CO2 + hand pump for the emergency kit... the tyre went from 5/6th's new to just barely WOF legal in that one stretch of road. Very, very rapid wear, gobs of rubber coming off. A crying shame but there wasn't any alternative.

I have a SCA "thunder" compressor - runs on 12v, compact and does a great job on tyres. I carry it around in a tail bag. Use it for all pressure adjustments. Had it a while now and it is yet to explode.

Funny thing though - haven't had a flat since I bought it...

[nzspokes]

So my front RS10 is toast on the CBR, should I go S21 front and near new RS10 rear?

Not thinking its a great idea.

[Owl]

Not thinking its a great idea.

As long as you're aware, what's the problem?

I've just fitted a new Power RS to the rear of mine and still running a PP3 up front. Not dumping a tyre with 10k of life left.

[SVboy]

So my front RS10 is toast on the CBR, should I go S21 front and near new RS10 rear?

Not thinking its a great idea.

Piece of string question-for the road sure-for the track, no. Also-getting colder now and these tyres are not the best without a bit of heat in them, if road riding is your intention. Your rear would be more of a liability on the road this time of year.

The set on my GSXR are coming to the end of their life and have not put a foot wrong. Kms-about 5500kms-perhaps another500kms still left. Both ends have maintained a great profile and i still have the confidence to push, in good conditions. I am commuting on them atm in the wet and slime; they seem fine. In saying that, I am a slow and cautious rider in the wet. Frankly, I love them and a new set will be on this bike ready for next summer.

[nzspokes]

Piece of string question-for the road sure-for the track, no. Also-getting colder now and these tyres are not the best without a bit of heat in them, if road riding is your intention. Your rear would be more of a liability on the road this time of year.

The set on my GSXR are coming to the end of their life and have not put a foot wrong. Kms-about 5500kms-perhaps another500kms still left. Both ends have maintained a great profile and i still have the confidence to push, in good conditions. I am commuting on them atm in the wet and slime; they seem fine. In saying that, I am a slow and cautious rider in the wet. Frankly, I love them and a new set will be on this bike ready for next summer.

I live in Auckland. Dont get that cold up here.

S21 is on the front now, commuted across town just fine. :laugh:

[slofox]

The set on my GSXR are coming to the end of their life and have not put a foot wrong. Kms-about 5500kms-perhaps another500kms still left. Both ends have maintained a great profile and i still have the confidence to push, in good conditions. I am commuting on them atm in the wet and slime; they seem fine. In saying that, I am a slow and cautious rider in the wet. Frankly, I love them and a new set will be on this bike ready for next summer.

That sounds about what I got from S20's when I ran them. Tried to push that out a bit once and ended up riding on steel mesh...:eek5:

Current set of S21's have done 5k front and 4k rear. Shapes are still pretty good but the rear profile is bending a little about now. Front still pretty good. Still reckon they were made for gixxers - best tyre ever on mine. But then I ride like a doddering grampa anyway these days so what the fuck?

[riffer]

If my $0.02 is worth anything...

I'm working on the principle of finding a front tyre I love, and putting something round and black on the rear.

My 2005 RSV Tuono R is running an S21 front/T30 Evo combination. The Tuono tends to rip up the rears a bit, but I can get about 12,000kms out of a T30 - well I did on the last one. In that time I went through 2 Pirelli Diablo Rosso IIs, and had my share of front end slides in the wet.

I've not had any slides in the front since moving to the S21 front, and the only slides I've had in the T30, apart from a couple of wiggles on diesel spots on wet roads, have been totally intentional.

If you're doing a few lazy kms and are interested in tyre longevity it's worth a look.

TSS Red Baron were happy to break a couple of sets to do a set for my bike.

[roogazza]

Just threw on another set of S20s, (mainly cos the price was good) but they're good and warm up is too. I know I can get 5-6000 out of them as well.(but the rear is really fucked by then).
Winter now,so won't be doing much till Oct.:(

[lenzod3]

Had a set of S21's and had no problems. Right now, I have the Dunlop Q3's that I got at 4WO|Truck Parts (http://4wheelonline.com) & Motorcycle. To me, S21 is better for street use and Q3 is better for trackdays.

[nzspokes]

S21s on the CBR now. 200k ride today and they are scrubbed in nice. Predictable, seem good. Minimal chicken strip must mean they feel ok for the first ride.

[slofox]

Looks like I might have to replace the 4500km old rear S21.:ar15:

A month or so ago I noticed a slow leak in the back tyre. Had to pump it up before I went out - which was not that often recently due to diseases brought home by grandchildren, shit weather and total laziness on my part. Then it was losing 12psi per day with a bit of use.

So I had it fixed - bit of wire stuck through it - but it kept going down still, albeit more slowly. Took it back for another go (no charge for this one thanks to Boyds :niceone:). Better results but there is still some bubbling when tested with spit or soapy water. Very slow this time - no measurable drop per 24 hours so far. But it does leak.

At 4500, the tyre is beginning to lose shape but has plenty of central tread yet. Don't really want the cost of changing it. But I think I will anyway because I am never too happy on a leaky tyre. Who knows when it will leak real fast one day. In a corner. With a truck and trailer coming the other way. On your side of the road. On a narrow wet road with crap surface. And a wild sheep in your path. You know the deal.

Might hafta cough up.

[nzspokes]

Thinking of chucking one on the front of me 1250 Bandit. Could be good for summer.

[F5 Dave]

Just put some Goodyear Cargos on the van. Perhaps those would be more suited?

Just jammed a new 21 on rear of 675. Mileage. . . Never recorded. Seemed ok last 2700 was touring SI with panniers.

[AllanB]

Running Rosso III's on the Ducati. 1000 kms passed now on the pair.

Previous rears (Rosso Corsa and Rosso II) had died at 5k each - stock front Corsa did 9k.

It's taken a bit of experimenting with tyre pressures on the front Rosso III to get the right 'feel' but I'm now happy. Only 1k down on the rear so far but given the 'D' logo imprinted in the centre maybe 0.5mm tops has just dissolved last weekend early signs are the rear will outlast the previous pair. Time will tell.

Stick really well, and now I've played with front pressures the feedback is good.

[nzspokes]

Just put some Goodyear Cargos on the van. Perhaps those would be more suited?

Just jammed a new 21 on rear of 675. Mileage. . . Never recorded. Seemed ok last 2700 was touring SI with panniers.

Hope they have improved Goodyears, last ones I had were crap. But that was good a few years back...

Ended up fitting a metzeler interact 01.

[Owl]

I'm back with a set of S21's again. After back to back comparisons the S21, PP3 and Power RS, I much prefer the S21. I got 6k out of each rear, but longevity may just go to the RS as it was in slightly better condition when removed.

[Ocean1]

I'm back with a set of S21's again. After back to back comparisons the S21, PP3 and Power RS, I much prefer the S21. I got 6k out of each rear, but longevity may just go to the RS as it was in slightly better condition when removed.

Just put PR4s on both ends of the SDR. Wasn't particularly impressed with the S21 rear on tour last year, and there's another trip south pending.

[Owl]

Wasn't particularly impressed with the S21 rear on tour last year, and there's another trip south pending.

Yeah a friend of mine wasn't overly impressed with the rear (S1000RR) until he fitted a front. Then reckoned it transformed the bike and he's sold on them now.

I wasn't a fan of the PR4, but got 10k out of the rear. That front will last a lifetime if my 16k out of a PP3 is anything to go by.

[Ocean1]

Yeah a friend of mine wasn't overly impressed with the rear (S1000RR) until he fitted a front. Then reckoned it transformed the bike and he's sold on them now.

I wasn't a fan of the PR4, but got 10k out of the rear. That front will last a lifetime if my 16k out of a PP3 is anything to go by.

Had a matching pair. No problems with the front, and to be fair touring on very aggressive roads in the wet isn't what they're designed for. My reasoning in buying sprots tyres for mixed riding duties was that they would perform better "at need" across the board at some costs in terms of longevity, but the back let go dramatically several times in straight line in the wet. Not immediately or hugely dangerous but not confidence inspiring.

So with more touring planned I went the more sensible way. I loved both PP2s and PR2s, didn't like the soft squirmy carcasses in the PR3 but the 4 feels a lot better. If not for the tour I'd still go for the original OE Dunlops.

Having said all that I'm convinced that most perceptions of performance is down to the few wee niggles you get with any given tyre that are mostly unrelated to the tyre itself. But it's hard to have confidence in a tyre you've had some bad results with, no matter the cause.

[slofox]

New S21 on the back on Saturday.

Old one leaks, albeit slowly, and is losing shape anyway. Just checked the distance that one has gone - 6400km.

Be nice to have a new hoop.

[Owl]

Yeah I think I'll be ordering another rear next week. Only fitted the last one on the 30/11 and already clocked up 4500km.:facepalm:

[Owl]

Ok just fitted a new rear this morning. Best yet from the old one with 6500km on it and still just road legal with minimum tread at 1.5mm.

Need a new wheel nut though as this one has broken teeth where the locking wire fits. Already replaced the axle nut on the other end when a bearing failed, damaging the nut. Think they might be shit metal?:(

[F5 Dave]

Yeah I'd replaced my rear but its wearing well sitting in the garage whilst the X30 is taking one for the team.
On the dirt. . .

[Berries]

Im on new Power3s on da sevenfiddy. Will try S21s next I think.
Did you?

Need to replace the OE BT16s on my 750 and have three options, Power 3's, S21's and T31's. Was heading for the Michelin but can get a deal on the Bridgestones. No track days but all weather road riding which includes a few wet days (it's not Auckland) quite a lot of cold days and a few too many sub zero days. Would like to just swap with BT16's as I have been happy with them but not available in NZ apparently. Never gone past Metzeler on previous bikes due to wet weather confidence which is a biggie for me. After reading this thread I am not as sure about the S21's so wondering how you got on, and how were the Power 3's?

[SaferRides]

Did you?

Need to replace the OE BT16s on my 750 and have three options, Power 3's, S21's and T31's. Was heading for the Michelin but can get a deal on the Bridgestones. No track days but all weather road riding which includes a few wet days (it's not Auckland) quite a lot of cold days and a few too many sub zero days. Would like to just swap with BT16's as I have been happy with them but not available in NZ apparently. Never gone past Metzeler on previous bikes due to wet weather confidence which is a biggie for me. After reading this thread I am not as sure about the S21's so wondering how you got on, and how were the Power 3's?
I can highly recommend the M7RR. In the last year or so, they have handled everything from Coromandel on a hot summers day to Northland during a storm without even a hint of drama. A rear lasts about 7000 km on the R1.

They aren't cheap though, about $550 for a 190/55 set is the best I have found.

[Owl]

After reading this thread I am not as sure about the S21's so wondering how you got on, and how were the Power 3's?

S21 is the far superior tyre IMHO, though PP3 front will outlast S21 front. New T31 could be an interesting option?

[Berries]

New T31 could be an interesting option?
Starting to lean that way but not seen any honest reviews to base my decision on.

I know it is just sales bullshit but not quite getting the second bullet point below from the Bridgestone website -

Recommended for:
● Riders who enjoy riding on winding road with a touring motorcycle.
● Riders who enjoy riding a super sports bike with touring tires.
● Riders who want high performance in wet conditions.
● Riders who want to ride safely even when caught in unexpected rainfall

Not sure that riding beyond the tyres ability is actually a good thing, which seems to be the implication there.

[AllanB]

The new Michelin Road 5 looks interesting.

[Blackbird]

The new Michelin Road 5 looks interesting.

Several of my mates have them and are pretty impressed. My Roadtec 01's are coming up for replacement and I'm chewing over the Road 5's too. A recent Ride magazine blind test still put the 01's at the top closely followed by the 5's. Most top of the line tyres are way beyond what I need anyway. It's more about "feel" and turn-in rate.

[SaferRides]

Several of my mates have them and are pretty impressed. My Roadtec 01's are coming up for replacement and I'm chewing over the Road 5's too. A recent Ride magazine blind test still put the 01's at the top closely followed by the 5's. Most top of the line tyres are way beyond what I need anyway. It's more about "feel" and turn-in rate.
How are the 01's wearing? I've read a couple of reviews where the front has worn unevenly.

I'm looking at touring tyres for the R1 next time because even at 7000 km for a rear, the M7RR's are an expensive habit. Not sure I want to quit just yet though.

[Blackbird]

How are the 01's wearing? I've read a couple of reviews where the front has worn unevenly.

I'm looking at touring tyres for the R1 next time because even at 7000 km for a rear, the M7RR's are an expensive habit. Not sure I want to quit just yet though.

The rears last around 12k, about the same as the PR4's I had. The OEM D214 rear lasted 3700km - terrible things. I did a write-up on the first set of 01's here:
http://geoffjames.blogspot.co.nz/2017/05/metzler-roadtec-01-end-of-life-review.html .

[nzspokes]

Did you?

Need to replace the OE BT16s on my 750 and have three options, Power 3's, S21's and T31's. Was heading for the Michelin but can get a deal on the Bridgestones. No track days but all weather road riding which includes a few wet days (it's not Auckland) quite a lot of cold days and a few too many sub zero days. Would like to just swap with BT16's as I have been happy with them but not available in NZ apparently. Never gone past Metzeler on previous bikes due to wet weather confidence which is a biggie for me. After reading this thread I am not as sure about the S21's so wondering how you got on, and how were the Power 3's?

Yes I did and like em. But keep in mind its a dry day bike.

Ive run the back to the edges and it feels good. Not run them on track though.

[nzspokes]

The rears last around 12k, about the same as the PR4's I had. The OEM D214 rear lasted 3700km - terrible things. I did a write-up on the first set of 01's here:
http://geoffjames.blogspot.co.nz/2017/05/metzler-roadtec-01-end-of-life-review.html .

It will be interesting to see how these wear with your new suspension setup. The photos show that rebound issue.

[SaferRides]

The rears last around 12k, about the same as the PR4's I had. The OEM D214 rear lasted 3700km - terrible things. I did a write-up on the first set of 01's here:
http://geoffjames.blogspot.co.nz/2017/05/metzler-roadtec-01-end-of-life-review.html .Thanks, most interesting. You're not the first person to wear an 01 front like that.

[Blackbird]

Thanks, most interesting. You're not the first person to wear an 01 front like that.

There are earlier photos on the blog of my PR4's which had a similar wear pattern. Not exclusive to 01's!

[SaferRides]

There are earlier photos on the blog of my PR4's which had a similar wear pattern. Not exclusive to 01's!There are a lot of grooves in both front tyres, which probably doesn't help.

It could also be a front suspension issue. My front has worn more evenly since replacing the fork oil last year.

[nzspokes]

There are a lot of grooves in both front tyres, which probably doesn't help.

It could also be a front suspension issue. My front has worn more evenly since replacing the fork oil last year.

Coving can be caused by out of control rebound.

[Blackbird]

There are a lot of grooves in both front tyres, which probably doesn't help.

It could also be a front suspension issue. My front has worn more evenly since replacing the fork oil last year.

My suspension has just been set up by Dave Moss and is hugely better, even though the rear shock Is a budget OEM one and getting a bit tired. Yep, good suspension makes a huge difference to tyre life. Got on average another 2000 km from a set when I upgraded the front and rear on the Blackbird. I'd sooner spend money on suspension every time than on a noisy can and pretty farkles.

[SaferRides]

I replaced the worn out shock on the R1 last year. Tyre life is the same, probably because I can get the power down and corner faster! But the tyre wear looks much better now.

[nzspokes]

though PP3 front will outlast S21 front.

Just looked at my front S21 and noted the sides are quite worn.

[AllanB]

Just looked at my front S21 and noted the sides are quite worn.

The worst I've had that happen on was the factory Metzellers on the new Hornet 900 back in 05. Stuck like glue but carved away the sides and cupped like shit. PR2 was better but still hard on the sides, on the same bike this did not happen to other brands.

I think the most confident inspiring front I had on that bike was a Conti Road Attack 2. It just stuck to the road, period.

[Berries]

So I went with the Bridgestone T31's.

I know that you need to take a bit of care on new tyres but christ, it was the profile that nearly got me. I suspect I could have parked the bike on its old tyres without needing the side stand given the difference when tipping it in. No doubt the result of a year of boring commutes and very few rides just for the hell of it, which are getting less and less these days.

Spent some time setting up the suspension when I first got the bike and so far have not felt the need to fiddle with it due to these new tyres. Building confidence with them as well. Last night I think I was braking harder in the wet than ever before on my back road commute home and was fair shaking my head at the combined performance of the bike, the brakes and the tyres.

So far so good.

[george formby]

So I went with the Bridgestone T31's.

I know that you need to take a bit of care on new tyres but christ, it was the profile that nearly got me. I suspect I could have parked the bike on its old tyres without needing the side stand given the difference when tipping it in. No doubt the result of a year of boring commutes and very few rides just for the hell of it, which are getting less and less these days.

Spent some time setting up the suspension when I first got the bike and so far have not felt the need to fiddle with it due to these new tyres. Building confidence with them as well. Last night I think I was braking harder in the wet than ever before on my back road commute home and was fair shaking my head at the combined performance of the bike, the brakes and the tyres.

So far so good.

Pertinent. I need to replace my T30 rear but only have the option of a T30 evo or T31. Any great minds here care to comment on which will be the best match for the T30 front? The T31 is $9 cheaper...

Your comments on wet braking sum up why I like Bridgestones, ever since I started with BT021's. To date they have never let go in the wet, a wee bum wriggle now and again to indicate I should pull my head in is about it.
Even 4 finger braking with my eyes closed was shrugged off.:sweatdrop

[SVboy]

I am very happy with my T30 EVO front and T30 EVO gt rear on the Busa. I think T31s are a great call.

[Owl]

Well another pair of S21's worn out and another pair fitted. Mileage getting better over time or I'm getting softer, but 13.3k from the front and 6.8k from the rear.

Just doing a count up and that's 17 tyres I've consumed over the last 3 years on the SDR. Oh and 3 chain/sprocket sets.:laugh:

[slofox]

Well another pair of S21's worn out and another pair fitted. Mileage getting better over time or I'm getting softer, but 13.3k from the front and 6.8k from the rear.

Just doing a count up and that's 17 tyres I've consumed over the last 3 years on the SDR. Oh and 3 chain/sprocket sets.:laugh:

Sounds about right.

[roogazza]

Well another pair of S21's worn out and another pair fitted. Mileage getting better over time or I'm getting softer, but 13.3k from the front and 6.8k from the rear.

Just doing a count up and that's 17 tyres I've consumed over the last 3 years on the SDR. Oh and 3 chain/sprocket sets.:laugh:

Something to do with being V twin ??
My record is weird, bike has done 40 odd Kms tyres (S20s) every 6kms, I have NEVER adjusted the chain but lube it every second ride. Still original !
Must be the way I ride,I wear the tyres but must be smooth on the gas ??? :confused:

[SaferRides]

Something to do with being V twin ??
My record is weird, bike has done 40 odd Kms tyres (S20s) every 6kms, I have NEVER adjusted the chain but lube it every second ride. Still original !
Must be the way I ride,I wear the tyres but must be smooth on the gas ??? :confused:Maybe, I get about 7k from the rear M7RR but adjust the chain once a year.

[Owl]

I have NEVER adjusted the chain but lube it every second ride. Still original !


That's good going and yeah, mine could be partially the V-twin thing. In saying that, chain 3 died in 10k due to worn damper assembly. Have now fitted a DID ZVM-X chain, so curious as to how that will fare compared to the first two.

[SaferRides]

That's good going and yeah, mine could be partially the V-twin thing. In saying that, chain 3 died in 10k due to worn damper assembly. Have now fitted a DID ZVM-X chain, so curious as to how that will fare compared to the first two.
I fitted a DID VX to the R1, very happy so far. Adjusted twice in 25,000 km and doesn't have a noticeable tight spot yet, unlike the last 2 EK chains.

Even more surprising is the ally AFAM rear sprocket. The hard anodizing wore through on the leading edge of the teeth a while ago but still almost no wear.

[Owl]

Oh I'm excited.:drool:

Was just wondering when the next generation of Bridgestone sports tyres were coming out. Looked at their site and the S22 is listed.

Come on White's, I'll be needing a rear soon.:yes:

[Danger Dave]

Oh I'm excited.:drool:

Was just wondering when the next generation of Bridgestone sports tyres were coming out. Looked at their site and the S22 is listed.

Come on White's, I'll be needing a rear soon.:yes:

Hello

These are due to arrive on the 31st of this month so will be available from Feb onwards.

[Owl]

Hello

These are due to arrive on the 31st of this month so will be available from Feb onwards.

Cool that should tie in nicely.:niceone:

[SaferRides]

No S21 Evo then?

[Danger Dave]

No S21 Evo then?

No, straight to a S22 this time

[SaferRides]

No, straight to a S22 this timeMight be some cheap S21's around later in the year. :)

I nearly went for the S21 last time as they were $100 cheaper than the M7RR, but got a good deal on a set from Moto1.

[AllanB]

Bastards need to do a 180/60/17 rear for dem darn Ducatis.

[Owl]

Bastards need to do a 180/60/17 rear for dem darn Ducatis.

Or Ducati just need to stop coming up with silly tyre sizes?

[AllanB]

Or Ducati just need to stop coming up with silly tyre sizes?


Yes, I have that thought every 5k ........ I'm pretty sure the new V4 runs a 20/60/17 - another odd size?

They are in bed with Pirelli who supply stock tyres.

At least Michelin are selling the Power RS in NZ otherwise if you want to stay 'stock' sizing it's Pirelli.

Not all Ducatis wear rears in this size - they have seen the light on a number of models what wear 180/55 now.

[F5 Dave]

Shirley just run a 55 and add 3mm more preload?

[AllanB]

Shirley just run a 55 and add 3mm more preload?

Yeah can do, actually the lower seat height would be welcome if I left the rear preload and dropped the fork tubes a few mm.

Traction control probably needs adjusting a number after as well. Side stand might need work .......

I do like the profile of the 60 - which is why it's there apparently. Maybe some Italian couldn't get the clearance they wanted on the front end so bumped up the rear tyre! Or it's just a wanky marketing thing running a 'race' size.

Meh. Italian stuff. Never had that on the Honda ;)

[SaferRides]

It's a common profile for race tyres. Makes more sense than the 50 profile that is often found on litre plus Jap bikes.

[Owl]

Ok just replaced my first rear S22 with another. Really nice tyre, but I'm not sure longevity will exceed the S21 as I ended up with 5k from it. I was getting anywhere between 5k and 6.5k from the S21 rear.

Probably fit an S22 front in the next month.

[Drew]

Yes, I have that thought every 5k ........ I'm pretty sure the new V4 runs a 20/60/17 - another odd size?

They are in bed with Pirelli who supply stock tyres.

At least Michelin are selling the Power RS in NZ otherwise if you want to stay 'stock' sizing it's Pirelli.

Not all Ducatis wear rears in this size - they have seen the light on a number of models what wear 180/55 now.200/60 is fairly normal these days.


Shirley just run a 55 and add 3mm more preload?
Fuck that noise.

If you think you are going to be hampered by the ride height change, even it back up at the front end.


No. The traction control will cope just fine with the change in rolling radius, otherwise you couldn't change brands of tyre. Theu all have a different size carcass.

[SaferRides]

Ok just replaced my first rear S22 with another. Really nice tyre, but I'm not sure longevity will exceed the S21 as I ended up with 5k from it. I was getting anywhere between 5k and 6.5k from the S21 rear.

Probably fit an S22 front in the next month.I was going to say that 5k isn't very exciting, then I looked at your profile...

[Owl]

4k from the last S22 rear, so have now gone back to S21.

[roogazza]

4000 kms jeeezus I'm due a new set for Summer but still on the S20's !!!!!!!
I keep the pressures high and ride like the grandad I am, almost 10,000 kms now but they're doubtful for a WOF, I'm happy !

Today I'm looking in Palmy for a new set, but have an open mind as to what I get.
Round and black I suspect !! ??:rolleyes:

[Danger Dave]

I'm at 5500 on mine on a zx10r including a trip around the south island, Is your suspension working correctly?

[Owl]

I'm at 5500 on mine on a zx10r including a trip around the south island, Is your suspension working correctly?

You on S21 or S22? Rear suspension is pretty sound and serviced 3k ago by KSS. Front is very kind to tyres and S21 usually lasts 12k+.

[slofox]

I got 7500k on the last S21 rear.

[Danger Dave]

You on S21 or S22? Rear suspension is pretty sound and serviced 3k ago by KSS. Front is very kind to tyres and S21 usually lasts 12k+.

I'm running the S22

[roogazza]

You on S21 or S22? Rear suspension is pretty sound and serviced 3k ago by KSS. Front is very kind to tyres and S21 usually lasts 12k+.

cheers Owl, you know or seen the pirellis on sale at Honda shop Palmy , might be old stock but they are only about 300 bucks a set ? don't even know if they are multi compound ?

[Owl]

cheers Owl, you know or seen the pirellis on sale at Honda shop Palmy , might be old stock but they are only about 300 bucks a set ? don't even know if they are multi compound ?

Yeah the Pirelli deal is everywhere I think and covers the 180/55-120/70 Diablo set. AFC have different wording where you buy the rear and get the front free, because everyone wants something free lol. I believe the 190/55 is extra, but not a set I'd fit to the KTM.

[roogazza]

Scrubbed in a set of those Pirellis yesterday ($299 too good to miss ? with a 190 for the rear in that price.)
Got a new WOF as well and the tester at VTNZ said I'd done 4000 kms in the last 12 months !!!!
Will tune in with how long the tyres last,but man new rubber feels sooooo good ! :laugh: :Punk:

[F5 Dave]

S22 went on front along with a T31 on the back for my SI tour. S22 rear went on yesterday, I bought all 3 at once and got a decent discount. T31 goes under house for next tour November.

But as I slink up stairs at TSS S22 pair $422. Gahhh! Oh well.

[SaferRides]

S22 went on front along with a T31 on the back for my SI tour. S22 rear went on yesterday, I bought all 3 at once and got a decent discount. T31 goes under house for next tour November.

But as I slink up stairs at TSS S22 pair $422. Gahhh! Oh well.

TSS? That's a very good price.

[Drew]

S22 went on front along with a T31 on the back for my SI tour. S22 rear went on yesterday, I bought all 3 at once and got a decent discount. T31 goes under house for next tour November.

But as I slink up stairs at TSS S22 pair $422. Gahhh! Oh well.
Saw that this morning on the bookcase. Good buying.

[F5 Dave]

If it's not raining I'll try out the pair for the first time in the weekend. Supposedly easier turn in. I wont be recording mileage as that bores me. At least this time my brand new sport tyres didn't have to go 2600km on SI roads with panieers which starts s flat section early.

[Owl]

Can't say I'm overly impressed with the longevity on the S22 and I'm going back to the S21, stocks permitting.

[F5 Dave]

Stocks wont permit.

I'm enjoying my 22s. But not enough ks to question mileage. Not that I really take note.

[Owl]

Stocks wont permit.

You may be right. Ordered an S21 front off Moto1 through TM and they've sent me the 22.:angry:

[F5 Dave]

Had a spirited ride from Tiehappy over gentle-annie and they felt very confidence inspiring esp near the top where it is tight as and steep. Fun.