Smart meters. What's all the fuss about?

[98tls]

Got a leaflet in the mail today re all the supposed bad things that go with the new "smart meter" inclusive of making you crook/bigger bills etc.Am supposing these things are already in use in the big citys and i havent heard any new articles etc about them.Just a group wanting to save the planet or is there any truth to there ramblings about sickness etc.Surely if the things gave people a rise in the power bills there would be an uproar,there claiming some farmers have had price hikes of 200-400% and when complained were told there old meters must have been inaccurate.

[Mike.Gayner]

The anti smart metre brigade are the weirdest crazies out there, with the most bizarre reasoning and crazy weirdo pseudo-science. Personally I'm looking forward to having a smart meter.

Have a look here to have a laugh at these nutcases:
http://www.stopsmartmeters.org.nz/


There are two basic health concerns with “smart” or “advanced” meters.
1) They use radiofrequency radiation in the microwave spectrum to transmit data about electricity use. (In NZ, according to the Electricity Authority the main frequencies used are the 900MHz or 1800 MHz bands.*)
2) “Smart meters” in use overseas have been shown to produce significant amounts of “dirty electricity” that is, high frequency spikes and harmonics. As this “dirty electricity” can travel through the wiring in a home or other building and radiate out up to two meters away from the walls, this can be a significant cause of electropollution in people’s living or working environment. (NB: “Smart meters” are not the only electrical devices that can produce “dirty electricity”; many other appliances do this including some computers, compact fluorescent light bulbs etc.).


Of course anyone with two brain cells to run together sees right through this loony nonsense.

[george formby]

Of course anyone with two brain cells to run together sees right through this loony nonsense.

We declined to have one installed purely because of the likelihood of meter readers being laid off. Most of the benefit from smart meters seems to be for the power companies.

[oldrider]

I have lived in the electrical generation and supply industry for most of my working life and have been subjected to all of the EMF dangers! [stop]

Now you know what the problem is - don't yah! :lol:

I have a smallish malignant growth on my left ear lobe - thought it may have been from having to use the telephone against that ear most of that time!

Turns out other family members have had the same but not exposed to any EMF's etc. - some shit just happens!

I am too looking forward to my impending smart meter installation and keeping better track on my power usage which by comparison is wayyyy cheaper than Spark!

[Akzle]

they fuck bees up. And if the bees fuck off, you all die.

Rf also fuck up your cells. But most people bathe in it every day. Fact is, the ghz frequencies havent been in use long enough to observe any impacts (presumably negative) on any population.

Probably no worse than having another cellphone/wifi router bolted to your wall.
Afaik, they operate as a mesh network for reporting back to teh co, burst transmissions once or twice a day.

Big brother is watching. They can now get a closer reading on whats plugged in during what hours, inductive or resistive loads, etc. To what use this meta data goes......

[Akzle]

The anti smart metre brigade are the weirdest crazies out there, with the most bizarre reasoning and crazy weirdo pseudo-science. Personally I'm looking forward to having a smart meter.

Have a look here to have a laugh at these nutcases:
http://www.stopsmartmeters.org.nz/



Of course anyone with two brain cells to run together sees right through this loony nonsense.

wrt to that "dirty electricity", it exists now. The main thing *with the new implementation is piggybacking frequencies (think EoP) to snoop shit, and the ripple control spikes they already push through (hwc control)

if you want to see how much electricity you're absorbing, check your capacitive coupling to earth, ground one end of a multimeter, and grab the other, volts ac.


*etc

[mashman]

Ontario Pulls Plug on 36,000 Rural ‘Smart’ Meters: Is Big Energy Imploding? (http://www.collective-evolution.com/2016/01/20/ontario-pulls-plug-on-36000-rural-smart-meters-is-big-energy-imploding/)... I guess they found a willing buyer :shifty:

[Paul in NZ]

Most smart meters we have in NZ are actually the cheapest least smart meters you can buy...

[TheDemonLord]

I tested a Smart Meter once...



it couldn't tell me what the answer to life, the universe and everything was.

I didn't think it was very smart.

[Drew]

I have lived in the electrical generation and supply industry for most of my working life and have been subjected to all of the EMF dangers! [stop]

Now you know what the problem is - don't yah! :lol:

I have a smallish malignant growth on my left ear lobe - thought it may have been from having to use the telephone against that ear most of that time!

Turns out other family members have had the same but not exposed to any EMF's etc. - some shit just happens!

I am too looking forward to my impending smart meter installation and keeping better track on my power usage which by comparison is wayyyy cheaper than Spark!
Grew up down the street from this rooster. No on in my family have any cancer at the minute...but we all smoke and drink a lot. Mibbee HT lines are good for ya?

Edit. Work high tension for a while, would have thought 'bonding on' would be as bad as you could get, but here I am.

[Grumph]

Well for once I'm safe...we're in a dead spot and can't have a smart meter.

It is a bit of a pain having to escort the reader in past the dogs though - but it's now one of my few social interactions so i suppose it's good for me....

The cockies who got bigger bills I'd guess were those whose meters hadn't been read for years and had been getting estimates...karma will catch up eventually. Doesn't matter how many dogs you put out to stop access, they'll get a reading eventually.

[pritch]

When I was with Genesis they installed smart meters. Then I found out that Genesis were the most expensive power company bar none, so I switched. The new company doesn't have the equipment to read the meter from outside so I'm back to getting visits. It's a minor piss-off because I had the house rewired before the switch and it would have been relatively inexpensive to move the meter outside the house then.

There was an uproar about high prices at one stage, in the central North Island I think. When the company, whichever it was, installed the new metres they would look at each customers usage and then charge the whole month at the most expensive rate used by that customer during the month. I'm sure the company thought that was a brilliant idea but if there's any justice the bright bastard who dreamed it up is now sweeping streets for the local council. I've heard nothing since the TV3 news item maybe three or four years ago so assume somebody saw sense.

Smart meter or not, my last power bill was about $74 and change from memory which doesn't seem outragious.

[caseye]

Got a leaflet in the mail today re all the supposed bad things that go with the new "smart meter" inclusive of making you crook/bigger bills etc.Am supposing these things are already in use in the big citys and i havent heard any new articles etc about them.Just a group wanting to save the planet or is there any truth to there ramblings about sickness etc.Surely if the things gave people a rise in the power bills there would be an uproar,there claiming some farmers have had price hikes of 200-400% and when complained were told there old meters must have been inaccurate.

I walked the streets reading meters for a wee while a year or two ago, the old ones aren't great, but the electric companies love the new "smart ones" No one who had one installed got their power any cheaper, in fact without fail they ended up paying more. I refused to let them onto the property to install the new one.

[haydes55]

My place has a smart meter. 2 bedroom unit, 2 of us living here. Paying weekly, our biggest bill so far was $12 last week.

If smart meters are more expensive, what would I be paying for an old school meter?

[jonbuoy]

Ionising vs non Ionising radiation. Gotta love the people that panic about a wifi router or cellphone tower near their bedroom but knock back litres of neurotoxic carcinogenic liquids on a weekend. Don't think anyone's ever had a hangover from using their cellphone?

[Drew]

I walked the streets reading meters for a wee while a year or two ago, the old ones aren't great, but the electric companies love the new "smart ones" No one who had one installed got their power any cheaper, in fact without fail they ended up paying more. I refused to let them onto the property to install the new one.
Lets break this down. You believe it's you right to use innacurately measured power and pay by the unit, because it works in your favor. If the shoe was on the other foot (and it will be at some point in the future), I bet you'll feel a tad different.

[Akzle]

Ionising vs non Ionising radiation. Gotta love the people that panic about a wifi router or cellphone tower near their bedroom but knock back litres of neurotoxic carcinogenic liquids on a weekend. Don't think anyone's ever had a hangover from using their cellphone?

acute toxicity vs chronic toxity, dumbass.

Also, enlighten me what's carcinogenic.

[Drew]

Also, enlighten me what's carcinogenic.
Everything! Absolutely everything.

[caseye]

Lets break this down. You believe it's you right to use innacurately measured power and pay by the unit, because it works in your favor. If the shoe was on the other foot (and it will be at some point in the future), I bet you'll feel a tad different.

No Drew I don't believe it's my right to use inaccurately measured power, the old meters recorded all that the electric co wanted it to and some, they always erred on the side of the "house so to speak". But the new smart ones measure more accurately they say and yes it was my experience and that of many customers that the new ones got the electric co more money.

[rambaldi]

Meh. I always liked that the bills are consistent month to month rather than tiny every second month as the "estimate" and then huge the following to compensate.

[jonbuoy]

acute toxicity vs chronic toxity, dumbass.

Also, enlighten me what's carcinogenic.

Science vs Psuedoscience. Fucking hell you pretend to be an expert on every subject on the planet but just spout drivel and pollute every thread.

[jellywrestler]

and when complained were told there old meters must have been inaccurate.

i'm a sparky and have had a few people whose power bill climbed a bit. the new ones are accurate, the older ones would have a margin of error in them a bit like ya speedo, as the power companies didn't want to get caught with one overreading they erred on the side of caution. only thing is once we all have them and they recover the margin of error, they make more profit and won't pass it back to us as a user...

[jellywrestler]

I have a smallish malignant growth on my left ear lobe

Turns out other family members have had the same but not exposed to any EMF's etc. - some shit just happens!

sounds like you're from Gore...

[Akzle]

Science vs Psuedoscience. Fucking hell you pretend to be an expert on every subject on the planet but just spout drivel and pollute every thread.

your right. Noones ever done any study on anything to show any negative effects of rf or emf.
:facepalm:

you forgot to answer the question, but thats ok, im an expert on everything and know the answer already :laugh:

fuckwit.

[jonbuoy]

your right. Noones ever done any study on anything to show any negative effects of rfor emf.
:facepalm:

you forgot to answer the question, but thats ok, im an expert on everything and know the answer already :laugh:

fuckwit.

Alcohol. I've been working with RF transmitters Radar and high voltage for over 20 years so I´ve been on a fair few safety courses. Remind what it is you do again - other than sitting on the internet spitting dribble over your keyboard?

[husaberg]

Alcohol. I've been working with RF transmitters Radar and high voltage for over 20 years so I´ve been on a fair few safety courses. Remind what it is you do again - other than sitting on the internet spitting dribble over your keyboard?

It would be a huge laugh, if he quoted that report on Cancer ill health and EMF that was done in the states by Wertheimer and Leeper.
It was basically a phone poll with no quantifiable data.
it was totally discredited.
Most peoples clock radio next to peoples bed gives off more gauss than a 110KV line in a backyard does.

[Akzle]

Alcohol. I've been working with RF transmitters Radar and high voltage for over 20 years so I´ve been on a fair few safety courses. Remind what it is you do again - other than sitting on the internet spitting dribble over your keyboard?

interesting on that alcohol and cancer thing. Though in my 30 seconds of giving a shit about it the terms i find are "an increased risk factor" not "a known carcinogen"

ahh radar, that ghz band// wait. What?

So, what frequencies do you work with? What are your sops? Daily exposure limits? Cumulative/annual exposure limits?
Do you sleep with it beside your head? Have you done this over a statistically relevant time period against a control guy?
Truly, im fascinated.

Im not sure why you bring hv into it. Thats some irrelevant distracto bullshit. Unless you install hv smart meters?
Have you tried measuring your voltage intake while standing near a transformer?

What i do? Pretty much whatever the fuck i want.

[pritch]

Meh. I always liked that the bills are consistent month to month rather than tiny every second month as the "estimate" and then huge the following to compensate.

Both companies I have used operate in the opposite direction. The estimate is higher than normal so that when the meter is read you get a cheap month.
Actually "estimate" seems too flash a description for what they do.

[Banditbandit]

The anti smart metre brigade are the weirdest crazies out there, with the most bizarre reasoning and crazy weirdo pseudo-science. Personally I'm looking forward to having a smart meter.

Have a look here to have a laugh at these nutcases:
http://www.stopsmartmeters.org.nz/



Of course anyone with two brain cells to run together sees right through this loony nonsense.

Yeah .. but put all the bullshit aside (We had a smart meter installed - turns out it transmits data back to the power company via Vodafone - and we get no Vodafone reception at home .. Haha ...)

We now have a flashing red light on the meter that runs all the time - using power ...

Smart meters use more power than the old analogue meter ...

Someone has to be paying for that extra power use .. Guess Who !!!


PS .. we still get an "estimate" power bill .. then a top up big bill after three months, when they come to read the smart meter (how smart is that?) .. but my wife reads the meter and only pays for what we use ... In the past we have had a largish bill for two months - then a third month bill which was in credit because their "estimates" were bullshit. Happened more than once. The power company said they were happy for us to pay for what we thought we had used, rather than the amount on the bill.

However the dopey shits have never changed their estimate to something based on what we actually use - rathrer than what they think the average NZ household uses ...

[oldrider]

Smart meter information Q&A fact sheet. https://www.meridianenergy.co.nz/assets/For-Home/Current-customers/Smart-meters-information-for-households.PDF

[TheDemonLord]

Smart meters, Dumb companies

and the reciprocal:

Smart meters, Dumb customers.

[Grumph]

PS .. we still get an "estimate" power bill .. then a top up big bill after three months, when they come to read the smart meter (how smart is that?) .. but my wife reads the meter and only pays for what we use ... In the past we have had a largish bill for two months - then a third month bill which was in credit because their "estimates" were bullshit. Happened more than once. The power company said they were happy for us to pay for what we thought we had used, rather than the amount on the bill.

However the dopey shits have never changed their estimate to something based on what we actually use - rathrer than what they think the average NZ household uses ...

Problem with paying for what you read is that they'll never give you a prompt payment discount as it will very seldom be the full amount asked for...

What can be done if there are difficulties reading the meter is to arrange to phone the reading through so they can charge on that basis. This gets you eligible for the discount in a way their systems can understand. We worked on this basis for a couple of years cos the reading contractors couldn't find us due to the supply co's fuckup. They had us living in a road of the same name 80km away....
They've finally found us, buggerit.

[Big Dog]

We know roughly what we use per annum and pay 1/12 of that each month. I check my bill to be sure I have covered the discount amount.
It means we overpay in the summer but it means we have a surplus to eat away at over the winter.
It means no worries except checking the bill is not outrageous.
We specifically built our fence around making sure the meter reader can read it without running foul of the dog. Since then we got put on a smart meter, but someone comes to check on the meter every 6 months or so. They don't seem to check the neighbours so maybe or bill is too low for their liking?

Only difference we noticed on the smart meter was that we don't get double billed on the months a meter reader didn't come out.

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[jonbuoy]

interesting on that alcohol and cancer thing. Though in my 30 seconds of giving a shit about it the terms i find are "an increased risk factor" not "a known carcinogen"

ahh radar, that ghz band// wait. What?

So, what frequencies do you work with? What are your sops? Daily exposure limits? Cumulative/annual exposure limits?
Do you sleep with it beside your head? Have you done this over a statistically relevant time period against a control guy?
Truly, im fascinated.

Im not sure why you bring hv into it. Thats some irrelevant distracto bullshit. Unless you install hv smart meters?
Have you tried measuring your voltage intake while standing near a transformer?

We work on safe distances during transmit - either it's safe to be at that distance or it's not. Not done it times, you can't peek inside a waveguide for 5 seconds and balance that by never looking down one again . Either you get burnt or you don't.

What i do? Pretty much whatever the fuck i want.

Exposure limits to non ionising RF? Your getting confused with ionising radiation. Unless I'm staring down a waveguide or transmitting without a load there is no direct exposure. Voltage intake?? Yeah I try not to put my knife and fork anywhere near high voltage terminals.

RF exposure is generally done by safe distances, you don't have to be too far away for a lot of the power to have been dissipated. Either it's safe to be that close during transmit or its not. It's not like you can peek down a waveguide for 2 seconds and then never do it again to balance out your exposure. It's like being too close to a heat source - either you burn or you don't.

[huff3r]

Past two houses ive owned have had smart meters. Makes moving house a lot easier, electricity company just needs a date and they grabbed the final reading and initial reading for me. Also never had a high power bill, except when my flatmate was using a fan heater to heat his room for 3-4hrs daily.

I'm very happy to not have the meter reader come around every second month. The meters seem pretty fair and accurate to me.

[Akzle]

Exposure limits to non ionising RF? Your getting confused with ionising radiation. Unless I'm staring down a waveguide or transmitting without a load there is no direct exposure. Voltage intake?? Yeah I try not to put my knife and fork anywhere near high voltage terminals.

RF exposure is generally done by safe distances, you don't have to be too far away for a lot of the power to have been dissipated. Either it's safe to be that close during transmit or its not. It's not like you can peek down a waveguide for 2 seconds and then never do it again to balance out your exposure. It's like being too close to a heat source - either you burn or you don't.

you're the only one mentioning ionising radiation. i'm not confused at all. if i wanted any IR i'd eat a smoke alarm and end up a badass ninja with superpowers.

"no direct exposure"... interesting, i would think, since you mention radar, you'd deal with ELF shit, which isn't hugely directional. (except, obviously the sweepy beam shit, but I imagine, also, theres a fair bit of splash perpendicular to those woks.)

you dont need to put anything "near HV terminals" - you, as a conductive carcass filled with conductive water, are a capacitive inductor. srsly measure yourself.

and, as said, it's all a bit fuckn irrelevant since this is Giggitty Hertz.

[jonbuoy]

you're the only one mentioning ionising radiation. i'm not confused at all. if i wanted any IR i'd eat a smoke alarm and end up a badass ninja with superpowers.

"no direct exposure"... interesting, i would think, since you mention radar, you'd deal with ELF shit, which isn't hugely directional. (except, obviously the sweepy beam shit, but I imagine, also, theres a fair bit of splash perpendicular to those woks.)

you dont need to put anything "near HV terminals" - you, as a conductive carcass filled with conductive water, are a capacitive inductor. srsly measure yourself.

and, as said, it's all a bit fuckn irrelevant since this is Giggitty Hertz.

Irrelevant? Have you noticed that the higher you go in frequency the more damaging the emmissions are? Have you noticed that they haven't managed to crack wireless recharging for your phone and laptop over any meaningful distances yet? Its very difficult to get any meaningful amounts of power to travel through the air.

The amount of power they are using to wirelessly send meter data is negligible. Safe distance from a 250 watt MF/HF transmitter is basically don't touch it. Since the Titanic radio operators have been living and sleeping in MF/HF transmitter rooms. Your dribbling on about long term effects but there are no long term effects from those frequencies at the sort of power levels your talking about.

[eldog]

the name TESLA springs to mind - regarding power transmission

[Akzle]

Irrelevant? Have you noticed that the higher you go in frequency the more damaging the emmissions are?
uhhh, q.e.d...


Have you noticed that they haven't managed to crack wireless recharging for your phone and laptop over any meaningful distances yet? Its very difficult to get any meaningful amounts of power to travel through the air.
incorrect, tesla had this shit down-pat a long long time ago.

the limiting factor is size, at the currents/voltages required, the antenna/ induction loop needs to be bigger than "mobile"

srsly. measure yourself right now. them go barefoot in the cuntry and measure again. your voltage is above earth.


The amount of power they are using to wirelessly send meter data is negligible.
i dont believe i argued otherwise. infact i even said that it's analgous to having another router/cellphone bolted to your wall.


Safe distance from a 250 watt MF/HF transmitter is basically don't touch it. Since the Titanic radio operators have been living and sleeping in MF/HF transmitter rooms. Your dribbling on about long term effects but there are no long term effects from those frequencies at the sort of power levels your talking about.

the term hasn't been long enough to observe.
again LF-HF ≠ GHz

there's a bajillion frequencies out there, man made or no. humans havent been subjected to those in question for long enough to KNOW.

perhaps some reading on EMF sensitivity may awaken you to a perspective other than your own...

[jonbuoy]

uhhh, q.e.d...


incorrect, tesla had this shit down-pat a long long time ago.

the limiting factor is size, at the currents/voltages required, the antenna/ induction loop needs to be bigger than "mobile"

srsly. measure yourself right now. them go barefoot in the cuntry and measure again. your voltage is above earth.


i dont believe i argued otherwise. infact i even said that it's analgous to having another router/cellphone bolted to your wall.



the term hasn't been long enough to observe.
again LF-HF ≠ GHz

there's a bajillion frequencies out there, man made or no. humans havent been subjected to those in question for long enough to KNOW.

perhaps some reading on EMF sensitivity may awaken you to a perspective other than your own...

Still spouting bollocks - measure myself with what exactly?

[Akzle]

Still spouting bollocks - measure myself with what exactly?

no counter argument huh? :niceone: jackass.

See post 6.

[jonbuoy]

no counter argument huh? :niceone: jackass.

See post 6.

Counter argument to what? Your posts are barely coherent - you can hardly string a reasonable scentence together.

So not actually measuring anything harmful to humans then - like ionising radiation for example- the cosmic rays ripping through you, natural radiation?

[Tazz]

Past two houses ive owned have had smart meters. Makes moving house a lot easier, electricity company just needs a date and they grabbed the final reading and initial reading for me. Also never had a high power bill, except when my flatmate was using a fan heater to heat his room for 3-4hrs daily.

I'm very happy to not have the meter reader come around every second month. The meters seem pretty fair and accurate to me.

Moving was always easy, you just give them your final reading over the phone.

The no spikes in bills due to very optimistic estimates is nice though. They must get a pretty penny in interest from our money pulling that one.

[Akzle]

So not actually measuring anything harmful to humans then - like ionising radiation for example- the cosmic rays ripping through you, natural radiation?

i'll say it agin, for the teminably fucken retarded:
IT HASNT BEEN AROUND LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW.

And i covered the other thing in post #39. Do try to keep up geezer.

[slofox]

... i'd eat a smoke alarm and end up a badass ninja with superpowers.

Dammit Akzle, I thought you already were a badass ninja with superpowers...fucking wrong again huh...disappointing.

[jonbuoy]

i'll say it agin, for the teminably fucken retarded:
IT HASNT BEEN AROUND LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW.

And i covered the other thing in post #39. Do try to keep up geezer.

No evidence non ionising radiation is harmful. Plenty of evidence that alchohol is harmful. Do try and keep up with the rest of the scientific community.

[Akzle]

No evidence non ionising radiation is harmful. Plenty of evidence that alchohol is harmful. Do try and keep up with the rest of the scientific community.

irrelevant distracto bullshit. Give up. Fuck off.

[Maha]

No evidence non ionising radiation is harmful. Plenty of evidence that alcohol is harmful. Do try and keep up with the rest of the scientific community.

Don't dis the pro walker ...you may be banished to a room full of dead people.

[jonbuoy]

irrelevant distracto bullshit. Give up. Fuck off.

Distracting from what? It was my original point that you so gleefully jumped on. Do you still think your wifi router is doing you more harm than that bottle of booze?

[Akzle]

Distracting from what? It was my original point that you so gleefully jumped on. Do you still think your wifi router is doing you more harm than that bottle of booze?

quote me where i said that.

quote also where anyone other than you has said the words "non/ionising radiation"

quote also where alcohol became relevant to smart meters.

[jonbuoy]

they fuck bees up. And if the bees fuck off, you all die.

Rf also fuck up your cells. But most people bathe in it every day. Fact is, the ghz frequencies havent been in use long enough to observe any impacts (presumably negative) on any population.

Probably no worse than having another cellphone/wifi router bolted to your wall.
Afaik, they operate as a mesh network for reporting back to teh co, burst transmissions once or twice a day.

Big brother is watching. They can now get a closer reading on whats plugged in during what hours, inductive or resistive loads, etc. To what use this meta data goes......

"RF fucks your cells up". Except it doesn't because it's non ionising radiation . That's the difference between non ionising radiation and ionising radiation. One fucks your cells and dna up the other doesn't. I used alchohol as a comparison because some people chug down litres of the stuff on a daily basis but panic about a cellphone tower over the street or a wifi router under the bed.

[Akzle]

so, you're unable or unwilling to do any of the three things in my previous post

[jonbuoy]

so, you're unable or unwilling to do any of the three things in my previous post

You mean like quote you as above? Do you think RF "fucks up" your cells? And I mentioned ionising radiation as you don't seem to know the difference between harmful and harmless radiation.

[Akzle]

still no, huh?

[R650R]

The fuss about smart meters is they are more complicated than is needed for mere billing purposes and have an inbuilt ability to control WHEN you have electricity for a specific device.
Imagine a future when some green nutters get control of the govt and restrict electric use for various reasons.
Perhaps there is a generation shortfall due to excessive demand from electric car recharging, the system will prioritise consumers usage. It will decide NO you cant use your tig welder to fix your bike frame the night before a race meet as your hipster neighbour needs to recharge his prius.
It will decide NO your stereo will not operate after 1am and the sub woofer disabled from 9pm onwards etc........
Eventually perhaps there will be real time billing and leaving the lights on will literally be dollars pouring through the floorboards.
There' have been a few stories out of the states 9bigge rpopulation) of these things causing fires too.

You have to ask why/how can your power company afford to install thes expensive meters with there own cell connections... when there was a system in place that was already 99% effective.

Our house was one of the first ones here to have one just by luck.... no issues yet...

[huff3r]

The fuss about smart meters is they are more complicated than is needed for mere billing purposes and have an inbuilt ability to control WHEN you have electricity for a specific device.
Imagine a future when some green nutters get control of the govt and restrict electric use for various reasons.
Perhaps there is a generation shortfall due to excessive demand from electric car recharging, the system will prioritise consumers usage. It will decide NO you cant use your tig welder to fix your bike frame the night before a race meet as your hipster neighbour needs to recharge his prius.
It will decide NO your stereo will not operate after 1am and the sub woofer disabled from 9pm onwards etc........
Eventually perhaps there will be real time billing and leaving the lights on will literally be dollars pouring through the floorboards.
There' have been a few stories out of the states 9bigge rpopulation) of these things causing fires too.

You have to ask why/how can your power company afford to install thes expensive meters with there own cell connections... when there was a system in place that was already 99% effective.

Our house was one of the first ones here to have one just by luck.... no issues yet...


A bit paranoid don't you think? It isn't connected in such a way that it can control specific devices. Merely whatever circuits it is attached to, turn off your hot water yes, but turn off your stereo without turning off your entire house, not happening.

[Akzle]

A bit paranoid don't you think? It isn't connected in such a way that it can control specific devices. Merely whatever circuits it is attached to, turn off your hot water yes, but turn off your stereo without turning off your entire house, not happening.

know how ethernet over power works?

How smart are your smart devices?
For your convinience, of course.

[jonbuoy]

still no, huh?

Yeah you still won't answer a direct question.

It's probably handy for them to be able to shed load remotely in a more controlled manner and bring things back online gradually after a blackout. Easier ways to get access to an internet connected device than through the power lines.

[WristTwister]

I for one, welcome our new Smart Meter overlords.:not:

[Akzle]

Yeah you still won't answer a direct question.

me??

:laugh:
you are just-too-muchery. :laugh::laugh::laugh:
(and, by all observation, a fucking idiot.)

I will if you do. :p

[huff3r]

know how ethernet over power works?

How smart are your smart devices?
For your convinience, of course.

I'm a Network Engineer, none of my devices are "smart". If I want it to be smart i'll do so on my terms, with a PC or micro-pc running it.

I also know that ethernet over power barely works at all. Pretty much the worst network infrastructure in existence.

[Akzle]

I'm a Network Engineer, none of my devices are "smart". If I want it to be smart i'll do so on my terms, with a PC or micro-pc running it.

I also know that ethernet over power barely works at all. Pretty much the worst network infrastructure in existence.

but, enough to collect meta data, or initiate remote collection and line it up for sendage over the wireless eh. enough to log who whan and when eh. They dont need to stream your 5k porn, just know that you are.
Enough to open a 33.8baud session into the backdoors in your uefi, or droid rd eh.

just because im paranoid doesn't mean theyre not out to get me, eh.

[Akzle]

also, got any thin clients spare? I want 3.

[jonbuoy]

me??

:laugh:
you are just-too-muchery. :laugh::laugh::laugh:
(and, by all observation, a fucking idiot.)

I will if you do. :p

Your a sad "Internet" expert who pretends to know everything but has little to no real world education or knowledge. Your only source of entertainment seems to be trolling a motorcycle forum - despite the fact you don't ride a bike - can you even ride?

I guess being an internet troll is all you will ever amount to in life- sad really. You deserve pity and sympathy and probably a mental health checkup.

[Akzle]

Your a sad "Internet" expert who pretends to know everything but has little to no real world education or knowledge. Your only source of entertainment seems to be trolling a motorcycle forum - despite the fact you don't ride a bike - can you even ride?

I guess being an internet troll is all you will ever amount to in life- sad really. You deserve pity and sympathy and probably a mental health checkup.

still no, huh?

:laugh:
dont bother replying fuckstick, im done with ya.

Ax > you.

[jonbuoy]

still no, huh?

:laugh:
dont bother replying fuckstick, im done with ya.

Ax > you.

Done with what - acting like a 14 year old with no social skills on the Internet?

[Akzle]

:yawn: .

[Akzle]

well, you had the last word. feel like a big boy now?

[Laava]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnTmBjk-M0c&sns=em

[R650R]

The end is nigh... dear god its way worse than I thought... skynet has gone live...

And with all the cars and bikes having led headlamps now I expect they will upgrade to camera and mic that will self report your driving style to cops....


http://www.blacklistednews.com/States_are_using_%22smart%22_lighting_systems_to_s py_on_our_faces%2C_conversations_and_vehicles/50133/0/38/38/Y/M.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kSEnSVFD5o

[Grumph]

The end is nigh... dear god its way worse than I thought... skynet has gone live...

And with all the cars and bikes having led headlamps now I expect they will upgrade to camera and mic that will self report your driving style to cops....


Relax - NZ can't afford it. According to Bill English tonight the cops have had to get a loan to cover wages as they've fucked up their holiday pay...

[R650R]

Relax - NZ can't afford it...

We're talking about govt here, that's never stopped them in the past, sensible budgeting and spending *snigger* lol.....
Why do you think they are paying for the national superfast broadband rollout, existing ordinary broadband is plenty fast enough for streaming/downloading HD movies.
Just like people thinking they have to have the latest smartphone many people will pay ofr thes enew lights and the rest will be mandated to buy them under green emmisions laws like the fireplace saga....

[oldrider]

Recognise any of "these guys" honing their egos on KB?: (Clip courtesy of Laava post)

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