Got given a bike with no WOF and no reg as a courtesy bike [Archive]

jonnyk5614

15th March 2016, 21:51

Checked the 'Busa into CycleSpot today for its service. No loan bikes available. "No worries - the boys in sales will sort you out with something."

Rock upstairs and the sales dude goes "Oh, got a brand new CBR300 you might like" sees me cry inside and goes "just kidding, let's choose you something fun."

Gives me an Aprilla Dessiduro 1200 - mean!

I head back into the city and promptly get pulled over by the cops on Queen Street.
"What have I done?"
"No WOF or Reg mate - it's been out for a year. Don't tell me you didn't know...."
"Shit seriously? It isn't my bike - I'm so sorry...
"Yeah, well responsibility is with the rider to ensure all is good - etc..."

I explained it was a courtesy bike, mine was having a service and he wasn't too convinced. He asked if worked for CycleSpot. I showed him my Facebook post "check out my courtesy bike for the day" and he said fair enough and said he'd let me off. He'd pretend we never met but couldn't make any guarantees if I chose to carry on riding.

Had it not been a courtesy bike though, or I'd been a knob, he would have stung me for No Reg ($200 an 20demerits), No WOF ($200), cut down number plate ($100 and 25 demerits) and probably pink stickered it too for being so far out of WOF (over a year).
Another day and the registration would lapse completely.
As it was he complemented me for exemplary riding!

CycleSpot weren't bothered. "Well done for talking your way out of it - nice job"....

Can't say I'm very impressed. I know I should check it out but the salesman game me the keys to a bike in his showroom. I assumed his paperwork was up to date...

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jonnyk5614

15th March 2016, 21:53

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Great bike though - hilariously noisy and gallons of fun instant torque.

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EJK

15th March 2016, 21:55

If you don't like it, I'll have it.

The End

15th March 2016, 22:05

Pretty shit service of them.

And I'm sure if you did get tickets, they wouldn't reimburse you in any way.

Plus you'd probably have for fork out cash for getting their loaner bike back to them after being stickered.

Or they might've paid it all and apologised profusely...who knows.

Moral of the story, Facebook saves the day.

jonnyk5614

15th March 2016, 22:17

The guy went "Oh it's fine - we'd be the ones that got fined".
Er nah, not how it works bro.

I told him as a courtesy that the bike would be deregistered at midnight if he didn't sort it and he tried arguing. I just went, look I really don't care - I'm just telling you what the cop said.

They're gonna have a fun time when they sell it and then have to stall some punter while it gets re-vinned and he wonders why the plate changes.

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Gremlin

15th March 2016, 22:18

jonnyk5614

15th March 2016, 22:26

1. Aprilia Dorsoduro
2. Your responsibility to make sure the vehicle you're driving/riding is legal
3. You only get one set of demerits (the highest) from a set of infringements.

Loan bikes cost dealerships (or they hide that charge in the invoicing to you). You could have had the 300 couldn't you? I'm just happy to get a set of wheels to get away from the dealership and return (rather than messing with transporting the bike or sorting a lift). Occasionally you get lucky with something nicer...

Yeah, I know it is my responsibility - I'd still expect better from a reputable dealer.

And I wouldn't have moaned - he was just being nice finding something nice for the guy that dropped $16k on a bike a month earlier there. I'd have been happy on a GN - as long as it was faster than a bus!

I'd spin it round and say that loaning a bike is a great way to get the word out about different models. The experience aside, I found it to be an exceptionally fun bike to ride and my post here would be "had a go on a Dorsoduro - here is why I love it".
The guy at Cycletreads gave me the 2016 R1 for a couple of hours last time I was in. I told him I couldn't afford it and he said "I don't care, it is called advertising - I want you to tell your mates how awesome it is."

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Ender EnZed

15th March 2016, 22:48

3. You only get one set of demerits (the highest) from a set of infringements.

Is that a hard and fast rule or just up to the discretion of the cop writing the tickets?

Gremlin

15th March 2016, 23:05

Is that a hard and fast rule or just up to the discretion of the cop writing the tickets?
I believe it's a hard and fast rule... but I'm foxed trying to find reference... I'm sure I came across it somewhere, ie, lets say you've been a bad boy, picking up multiple infringements (speeding, breach of licence conditions etc) at one stop and you get 20, 20, 30, 45 or something similar, you don't get all of them, just the highest set.

Ender EnZed

15th March 2016, 23:43

I believe it's a hard and fast rule... but I'm foxed trying to find reference... I'm sure I came across it somewhere, ie, lets say you've been a bad boy, picking up multiple infringements (speeding, breach of licence conditions etc) at one stop and you get 20, 20, 30, 45 or something similar, you don't get all of them, just the highest set.

It rings a bell for me too, just not a very authoritative one. A quick google didn't clear it up for me either.

It would be rather handy if it were the case though. It would make riding with rego on hold a much smaller risk if the demerits from that infringement didn't apply when you've been pulled over for a speeding ticket, which is probably the only situation most people ever get stopped for.

Drew

16th March 2016, 06:13

Vehicles registered to LMVD automatically go onto exemption status. The plate is not going to lapse.

Which the cop knew since he threatened with demerit points. Reg not current is just a fine, on hold incurs demerits.

Shouldn't this be common knowledge ?

AllanB

16th March 2016, 06:28

I'm with you - I'd probably never even check the bike was current in either if supplied as a loaner.

Good on the police though. A good bastard.

Mike.Gayner

16th March 2016, 07:55

I'd be pissed. I can't believe some people are blaming the customer here.

Drew

16th March 2016, 08:00

I'd be pissed. I can't believe some people are blaming the customer here.

Blame is the wrong word, but it is the vehicle operator's responsibility.

jonnyk5614

16th March 2016, 09:54

Like I say, I totally realise that it is my responsibility.

Just as it is my responsibility to take 10 mins before I nip up to countdown to do all of the pre ride checks in the owners manual. Some things in life you just assume though.....

As an aside, they probably shouldn't be doing 82kph in a 50kph on a testride either but I'm on a 'Busa so I'm hardly going to be one to preach :laugh:

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sidecar bob

16th March 2016, 11:01

The whole thing demonstrates a casual attitude towards the law & clients alike. It doesn't inspire confidence in the provider at any other level either.
Well maintained, legal & insured vehicles specifically for the purpose of loaning to clients is the life blood of a successful vehicle repair business.

Voltaire

16th March 2016, 11:41

OP, out of interest did they " just hand over the keys" or make you sign forms with implications if you damage the vehicle?, excess and so on.

Drew

16th March 2016, 12:06

Having a non current reg is not as simple as just a fine because you have to pay reg back as far as when it expired too hence why many put it on hold.

Failure to display current vehicle license. That charge is just a fine.

Use of a vehicle with licence exemption. Demerits and a fine.

jonnyk5614

16th March 2016, 12:37

OP, out of interest did they " just hand over the keys" or make you sign forms with implications if you damage the vehicle?, excess and so on.

Signed the form which detailed the insurance excess and "you pay the speeding tickets" guff on it.

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Erelyes

16th March 2016, 12:51

Cop should have just issued a set of stationary vehicle infringements (200 no wof, 200 no rego). Parking tickets have no demerits or name to them.

And told you to hand the tickets to the bike shop when you return the loaner and they can sort it out...

pritch

16th March 2016, 13:15

The shop where I get my bike serviced usually puts a dealer plate on the loaner. Maybe that idea hasn't reached the North Shore yet? :whistle:

Voltaire

16th March 2016, 13:57

Signed the form which detailed the insurance excess and "you pay the speeding tickets" guff on it.

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So they covered themselves and offered you a courtesy vehicle that did not have a current rego and wof.....:facepalm:

Tazz

16th March 2016, 16:03

I had a similar situation a few years ago with a trailer hire. Didn't get a ticket either and always check WOF's and regos on rentals and loaners now as a result.

Bit slack of the dealer but mistakes happen and at the end of the day it all ended well, so easy life lesson and all that..

spanner spinner

16th March 2016, 19:24

The shop where I get my bike serviced usually puts a dealer plate on the loaner. Maybe that idea hasn't reached the North Shore yet? :whistle:

Sorry not legal, see the rules below for the use of dealer plates, bet you they didn't give you any paperwork to go with the plate. Most shops get away with doing this as the rules are not well know.

In limited cases, you can use trade plates to drive a vehicle that is uncertified and unregistered.
Trade plates let you drive a vehicle to and from testing stations, specialist repairers and garages in order to bring it up to the appropriate standard. Vehicle repairers can also use trade plates on a registered but unlicensed vehicle that doesn't have a warrant of fitness or certificate of fitness, where the vehicle can't be licensed until the repairs are completed.

Staying within the law

You must have a valid trade plate fitted to the vehicle.

Also, you have to be driving the vehicle for one of these reasons, which must be within the purpose you were granted the trade plates:
•demonstration of the vehicle
•delivery of the vehicle
•completion of construction of the vehicle
•repair or modification of the vehicle
•road testing in connection with inspection and certification of the vehicle
•evaluation or testing of the vehicle.
Before you drive the vehicle you must also:
•complete a conditional permit and carry this with you when driving
•complete a safety checksheet and carry this with you when driving.
You can only drive the vehicle to or from one of the addresses listed on your conditional permit.

Conditional permits
You need to complete a conditional permit before driving vehicles not certified for use on the road. You complete the permit, sign it and date it yourself and then keep it with you to hand over if you're stopped by the NZ Police or one of our compliance officers.

The permit consists of:
•annex A (external link) – you list where you can drive the vehicle
•annex B (external link) – your promise that you've carried out the safety check and that you'll only drive the vehicle for the purpose you're allowed to drive.
You need to complete annex A and B if you're driving the vehicle no more than 50km from your business premises. If you want to drive a light vehicle further, you must tow or transport it or get it certified.

If you're planning to drive a heavy vehicle (over 3500kg gross laden weight) more than 50km from your business premises you need to visit one of our licensing agents. The agent will inspect the vehicle and issue an annex C form.

Safety checks

You must:

•carry out a safety check on the vehicle before it's driven anywhere – use the check sheets linked below
•transport or tow the vehicle everywhere if it doesn't pass
•sign the safety check form if the vehicle passes
•keep the safety check form in the vehicle.
Signing the safety check form makes you responsible for the vehicle's condition. If you don't have enough experience and skill to carry out the safety check, we strongly recommend you use someone who does.

IkieBikie

16th March 2016, 20:31

I head back into the city and promptly get pulled over by the cops on Queen Street.

Any reason in particular they pulled you over??

AllanB

16th March 2016, 20:50

So if no WOF, possibly a insurance out - so if you'd dropped it and the insurance company declined cover you'd be in the clear as it was not insured thus document irrelevant :-)

The shits should have checked it first - not you!

RGVforme

16th March 2016, 22:06

So you had a blood rush to your lower brain at getting a free ride on a cool bike so burnt off down the road on a unfamiliar steed without checking brakes tyres fluid levels or any looking at it first?.....On a bike that has not needed a wof inspection in a year or a spanner on it in god knows when.

Now that's what I call trust in your bike dealer.:facepalm:

jonnyk5614

19th March 2016, 08:31

Any reason in particular they pulled you over??

They'd been behind me for about a minute when I ducked down a little side road looking for parking. It looked dodgy though as it was a dead end road so they ran my plate.

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jonnyk5614

19th March 2016, 08:35

Sorry not legal, see the rules below for the use of dealer plates, bet you they didn't give you any paperwork to go with the plate. Most shops get away with doing this as the rules are not well know.

In limited cases, you can use trade plates to drive a vehicle that is uncertified and unregistered.
Trade plates let you drive a vehicle to and from testing stations, specialist repairers and garages in order to bring it up to the appropriate standard. Vehicle repairers can also use trade plates on a registered but unlicensed vehicle that doesn't have a warrant of fitness or certificate of fitness, where the vehicle can't be licensed until the repairs are completed.

Staying within the law

You must have a valid trade plate fitted to the vehicle.

Also, you have to be driving the vehicle for one of these reasons, which must be within the purpose you were granted the trade plates:
•demonstration of the vehicle
•delivery of the vehicle
•completion of construction of the vehicle
•repair or modification of the vehicle
•road testing in connection with inspection and certification of the vehicle
•evaluation or testing of the vehicle.
Before you drive the vehicle you must also:
•complete a conditional permit and carry this with you when driving
•complete a safety checksheet and carry this with you when driving.
You can only drive the vehicle to or from one of the addresses listed on your conditional permit.

Conditional permits
You need to complete a conditional permit before driving vehicles not certified for use on the road. You complete the permit, sign it and date it yourself and then keep it with you to hand over if you're stopped by the NZ Police or one of our compliance officers.

The permit consists of:
•annex A (external link) – you list where you can drive the vehicle
•annex B (external link) – your promise that you've carried out the safety check and that you'll only drive the vehicle for the purpose you're allowed to drive.
You need to complete annex A and B if you're driving the vehicle no more than 50km from your business premises. If you want to drive a light vehicle further, you must tow or transport it or get it certified.

If you're planning to drive a heavy vehicle (over 3500kg gross laden weight) more than 50km from your business premises you need to visit one of our licensing agents. The agent will inspect the vehicle and issue an annex C form.

Safety checks

You must:

•carry out a safety check on the vehicle before it's driven anywhere – use the check sheets linked below
•transport or tow the vehicle everywhere if it doesn't pass
•sign the safety check form if the vehicle passes
•keep the safety check form in the vehicle.
Signing the safety check form makes you responsible for the vehicle's condition. If you don't have enough experience and skill to carry out the safety check, we strongly recommend you use someone who does.

I test road 12 bikes when choosing this one, most on a dealer plate.

The only time I got given any dealer plate paperwork was for a new Daytona from Experience Motorcycles. He handed me back a copy of the "insurance form" which when I emptied my pocket later I found also had the dealer plate stuff.
The 50km was news to me. Took the R1 I rode 250km!

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spanner spinner

19th March 2016, 14:21

I test road 12 bikes when choosing this one, most on a dealer plate.

The only time I got given any dealer plate paperwork was for a new Daytona from Experience Motorcycles. He handed me back a copy of the "insurance form" which when I emptied my pocket later I found also had the dealer plate stuff.
The 50km was news to me. Took the R1 I rode 250km!

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perfectly legal for test rides especial if they gave you the dealer plate paperwork, as it says in the rules can be used to demonstrate an unregistered vehicle. The 50km limit is as the crow flies from the dealership so a pretty big area.

The only proviso is that you cant fit it to a bike that is registered but has either a lapsed licence (rego sticker) or has the rego on hold, but this happens all the time as most people don't understand the rules around dealer plates.

as for being outside the 50km limit this is only a problem if you get pulled and the police officer knows where the shop is, I have only heard of one person getting pinged for this. The shop was in Napier and they where picked up just north of wellington, they picked up they new bike on Saturday morning after much pestering but in the days when you couldn't register things on the weekend only Monday to Friday. they where told the bike wouldn't be ready to be picked up till Monday but they couldn't wait so the dealer lent them the plate for the weekend so they could at least take their new toy home. They where told the rules and to bring the bike back Monday to be registered, decided to go for a little ride to run it in and got pinged for speeding. The cop also uplifted the plate which caused a few problems and a trailer bound retrieval of said new bike. The shop was not impressed come Monday morning as no dealer plate and they have to apply to get a new plate with a please explain letter as to why they should get it back.

Crasherfromwayback

19th March 2016, 15:35

Vehicles registered to LMVD automatically go onto exemption status. The plate is not going to lapse.

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Not quite right Bro. Even an MR2A has a limited lifespan. And fuck me...what a thread. The OP would be crying his eyes out if he wasn't given a bike, and is still doing so when he was. I've sent a bike out on a test ride and forgotten to attach a *D Plate*, the guy picked up a $400.00 ticket. I paid it, and by that, I mean personally. If I hadn't have, my boss would've. But it was my bad...I get to pay.

I hope you guys can see why more and more dealerships will simply say they haven't got one avail eh. Hardly worth the hassle, shit slinging and gen crap you get, when genuinely trying to help someone out.

Crasherfromwayback

19th March 2016, 16:03

I'd be pissed. I can't believe some people are blaming the customer here.

Seeing as you repped me calling me a *Twat* let me explain here and now, that's it's actually *Twats* like you, that stop hard working honest people, giving decent folk loaner bikes. You fucking dickhead. Work it out.

Gremlin

19th March 2016, 17:10

Mike.Gayner

19th March 2016, 17:10

Seeing as you repped me calling me a *Twat* let me explain here and now, that's it's actually *Twats* like you, that stop hard working honest people, giving decent folk loaner bikes. You fucking dickhead. Work it out.

Wow, some twats are really affected by fake internet points.

Twat.

edit: I can't even get my head around your point - someone rightly complains that they were given an illegal bike as a loaner, and somehow it's the complainants fault that bikes can't offer legal loaner bikes? Wellington logic, eh?

Crasherfromwayback

19th March 2016, 17:43

- someone rightly complains that they were given an illegal bike as a loaner, and somehow it's the complainants fault that bikes can't offer legal loaner bikes? Wellington logic, eh?

Can you try again using English?

Fuckhead Logic, eh?

Crasherfromwayback

19th March 2016, 17:43

Nooooo, we're going to complain about getting loaners... then complain when we can't get loaners :brick:

Lol. You know it!

Moi

19th March 2016, 17:56

Can you try again using English?...

Good Lord Man!!

You are expecting a great deal from this forum! :eek5:

Maha

19th March 2016, 18:19

Good Lord Man!!

You are expecting a great deal from this forum! :eek5:

I am trying to incorporate ''unneedingly'' where I can...priceless and it doesn't come much better.

jonnyk5614

20th March 2016, 23:13

Not quite right Bro. Even an MR2A has a limited lifespan. And fuck me...what a thread. The OP would be crying his eyes out if he wasn't given a bike, and is still doing so when he was. I've sent a bike out on a test ride and forgotten to attach a *D Plate*, the guy picked up a $400.00 ticket. I paid it, and by that, I mean personally. If I hadn't have, my boss would've. But it was my bad...I get to pay.

I hope you guys can see why more and more dealerships will simply say they haven't got one avail eh. Hardly worth the hassle, shit slinging and gen crap you get, when genuinely trying to help someone out.

The dealer didn't "forget" to attach a D plate. He forgot to get his paperwork in order, and for a long time at that.

In any case, a D plate doesn't cover a courtesy bike. Sure, the guy might have said "just say you're on a test ride" if you get pulled over and I would have been "no worrie".

I wouldn't be "crying my eyes out not to get a bike" but I would be annoyed. I had booked the service 2 weeks in advance and also booked a loan bike as I needed to get to work. Come the service, "oh shit, we're out of loaners - no worries, sales will sort you out with something".

I freely accept it was my job to check WOF and REG. But then again, I'd not long ago bought a bike from, and therefore built a relationship with, the salesman who lent my the bike. I'm not gonna go "cheers for the bike, just give me 5mins to double check you haven't been a lazy knob and forgotten to do your paperwork?".

bogan

21st March 2016, 07:43

I got a loaner bike once, oh wait, no I didn't. Thanks a fucking lot Mike Dot Gayner :finger:

I am trying to incorporate ''unneedingly'' where I can...priceless and it doesn't come much better.

I think unneedingly irredundant terms will be, irregardlessly, unheeded.

Crasherfromwayback

21st March 2016, 08:02

The dealer didn't "forget" to attach a D plate. He forgot to get his paperwork in order, and for a long time at that.

In any case, a D plate doesn't cover a courtesy bike. . I had booked the service 2 weeks in advance and also booked a loan bike as I needed to get to work. ".

Didn't say anything about a d plate as to your particular loaner. I'm quite aware of what they cover and don't.

But seeing as you had booked a loaner, then for sure they should've had one ready. Bet it was a case of left hand not knowing what the right hand said.

Maha

21st March 2016, 08:22

I think unneedingly irredundant terms will be, irregardlessly, unheeded.

White flag moment..here catch my towel :corn:

gjm

21st March 2016, 08:59

Glad to see you weren't penalised as a result of this.

I had a ticket (in the UK) for speeding in a hired van - I was travelling at 55mph in a 60mph zone. apparently, the size van I was driving is limited to 50mph in those areas... I had no idea. And given that minutes before I was being 'pushed', while at 55-56mph, by a 40+ ton articulated lorry, I'd not given it a second thought.
Sadly the officer who stopped me subscribed to the 'ignorance is no excuse' school of thought. Oh well. My bad. One of those suck-it-up and learn from it scenarios.

Does seem a little odd that a well-known dealer would let the bike off the forecourt without up to date paperwork, though. I nearly got caught in a similar situation after an accident, when I found a loan car had rego expiring the following day. The garage hadn't noticed, so this sort of thing m,ay well not be uncommon. It's up to us to check, of course.

Woodman

21st March 2016, 11:55

Is this KBs biggest ever storm in a teacup?

Maha

21st March 2016, 12:11

Is this KBs biggest ever storm in a teacup?

You mean apart from one about the Plane V Buildings large cup of tea without milk and Stevia?

Woodman

21st March 2016, 12:14

You mean apart from one about the Plane V Buildings large cup of tea without milk and Stevia?

Well, yeah but thats just entertainment.

mashman

21st March 2016, 13:18

Is this KBs biggest ever storm in a teacup?

Nah, that's the jew one.

jonnyk5614

21st March 2016, 18:17

Crasherfromwayback

21st March 2016, 21:03

Not the same scenario - you are claiming ignorance of the road rules themselves which is your fuck up.

Not knowing the speed limits is a pretty basic driving fail.

You won't pass the theory test if you don't learn them for starters...

k

And there you have it. You're a pedantic fuck that should never ever be given the PRIVILEGE of a loaner bike. Take the time, to work out, how many *jobs* a particular bike shop may be doing in any given day. Then think about the ease of which, a mistake may well be made, trying to sort out every single person that wants something for nothing. Have you made the shop aware of this thread?

I think you owe it to them! And every other shop in your lovely city. Warn them.

RGVforme

21st March 2016, 21:08

And there you have it. You're a pedantic fuck that should never ever be given the PRIVILEGE of a loaner bike. Take the time, to work out, how many *jobs* a particular bike shop may be doing in any given day. Then think about the ease of which, a mistake may well be made, trying to sort out every single person that wants something for nothing. Have you made the shop aware of this thread?

I think you owe it to them! And every other shop in your lovely city. Warn them.

Wow and you do or did sell motor vehicles with this very 'understanding of different opinions' attitude....:crazy:I bet your kept your opinions to yourself when it came to a sale.

Drew

21st March 2016, 21:16

Wow and you do or did sell motor vehicles with this very 'understanding of different opinions' attitude....:crazy:I bet your kept your opinions to yourself when it came to a sale though.

Bet he fucken didn't.

Crasherfromwayback

21st March 2016, 21:25

Wow and you do or did sell motor vehicles with this very 'understanding of different opinions' attitude....:crazy:I bet your kept your opinions to yourself when it came to a sale.

Yeah. I sold bikes (and continue to do so) with a 100% straight up, no lies, no bullshit attitude. Been doing it for a very long time. But don't take my word for it. Ask anyone that's bought a bike from me. But I'm not here to sell bikes. I'm here (like you), to have my own opinion on various things. You can do it without any recourse, so can the OP. I'll live by mine.

On the flip side...this here, is a site for people to put the knife into hard working people, that more often than not, don't even realize, that a so called *good/reg* customer, is doing so.

Work that out.

Ps: Your grasp of the Queens English is pretty fucking average for a trainspotter.

RGVforme

21st March 2016, 22:40

Yeah. I sold bikes (and continue to do so) with a 100% straight up, no lies, no bullshit attitude. Been doing it for a very long time. But don't take my word for it. Ask anyone that's bought a bike from me. But I'm not here to sell bikes. I'm here (like you), to have my own opinion on various things. You can do it without any recourse, so can the OP. I'll live by mine.

On the flip side...this here, is a site for people to put the knife into hard working people, that more often than not, don't even realize, that a so called *good/reg* customer, is doing so.

Work that out.

Ps: Your grasp of the Queens English is pretty fucking average for a trainspotter.

Lol you may want to Google Queens English at some point and then re read your own comments....Hypocrisy at its finest...."A site for people to put the knife into hard working people"How you ever sold a bike with this kind of "no bullshit attitude is well beyond me.Im glad you have found an E outlet to vent your true feelings though as I suspect that showing this on the shop floor may effect your sales somewhat...The anonymity of the net aye....:tugger:

Ps if im a trainspotter then im looking at a wreak...

RGVforme

21st March 2016, 22:53

Bet he fucken didn't.

Everyone on KB knows full well which way your bets lay Drew......Usually with popular opinion.

WristTwister

21st March 2016, 22:58

Check the warrant and registration of any rental or loaner bikes.

RGVforme

21st March 2016, 23:07

Check the warrant and registration of any rental or loaner bikes.

Don't trust Dealers.....;)

Berries

21st March 2016, 23:23

Ps if im a trainspotter then im looking at a wreak...
Were you trying to prove the point on purpose?

Drew

22nd March 2016, 05:26

.The anonymity of the net aye....:tugger:
...He is Pete McDonald, worked at Wellington Motorcycles for about a hundred years. Every cunt knows him, and knows better than to drink the coffee he offers you fucking idiot.

Everyone on KB knows full well which way your bets lay Drew......Usually with popular opinion.
I'm not sure your playing with a full deck.

Madness

22nd March 2016, 06:35

What the fuck is a wreak anyway?

Katman

22nd March 2016, 06:46

What the fuck is a wreak anyway?

I think it's a bad smell.

Crasherfromwayback

22nd March 2016, 06:49

Lol you may want to Google Queens English at some point and then re read your own comments...

Ps if im a trainspotter then im looking at a wreak...

Ohhhh...you got me good there! Must book an appointment with my Dr. 'What's wrong Pete?" "I'm a wreak!!!":weep:

Drew

22nd March 2016, 07:34

Ohhhh...you got me good there! Must book an appointment with my Dr. 'What's wrong Pete?" "I'm a wreak!!!":weep:

Was gonna suggest you take a shower last time I saw you.

bogan

22nd March 2016, 07:38

Lol you may want to Google Queens English at some point and then re read your own comments....Hypocrisy at its finest...."A site for people to put the knife into hard working people"How you ever sold a bike with this kind of "no bullshit attitude is well beyond me.Im glad you have found an E outlet to vent your true feelings though as I suspect that showing this on the shop floor may effect your sales somewhat...The anonymity of the net aye....:tugger:

Ps if im a trainspotter then im looking at a wreak...

Mate, you're wreaking the shit out of your own post there. Use a spelunker or some form of auto-carrots at least...

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Maha

22nd March 2016, 07:45

Is this KBs biggest ever storm in a teacup?

Check the warrant and registration of any rental or loaner bikes.

There is a bottom to that tea cup and it has been found, anything else pertaining to this topic is now just subjective bullshit.

Crasherfromwayback

22nd March 2016, 08:26

There is a bottom to that tea cup and it has been found,

Don't bother offering loaner bikes to people that'll slag you off on a forum if you make a mistake?

Maha

22nd March 2016, 08:30

Don't bother offering loaner bikes to people that'll slag you off on a forum if you make a mistake?

Possibly, but I would suggest that'll be difficult to spot.... this bit ''Check the warrant and registration of any rental or loaner bikes''.

jonnyk5614

22nd March 2016, 08:44

Ps: Your grasp of the Queens English is pretty fucking average for a trainspotter.

- Queen's English

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Crasherfromwayback

22nd March 2016, 10:17

- Queen's English

Quite correct. My bad.

jasonu

22nd March 2016, 10:30

Take the time, to work out, how many *jobs* a particular bike shop may be doing in any given day.

.

But they booked the guy a loaner. Therefore it was there job and responsibility to make sure there was a properly prepared and road legal one available as promised. If they can't handle all the many *jobs* they take on in a day maybe they should hire more or better organized staff.

If they were any fucking good they sure as shit wouldn't have let a bike with no WOF or rego out the door. Pete I bet you would have done things a bit differently....

Crasherfromwayback

22nd March 2016, 10:43

But they booked the guy a loaner. Therefore it was there job and responsibility to make sure there was a properly prepared and road legal one available as promised. If they can't handle all the many *jobs* they take on in a day maybe they should hire more or better organized staff.

If they were any fucking good they sure as shit wouldn't have let a bike with no WOF or rego out the door. Pete I bet you would have done things a bit differently....

Yep, have mentioned if they booked (well, were meant to have booked) him one, then they should've had one for sure. But we all make mistakes, and at least they still gave him one. Yeah, not having it wof'ed etc is a balls up. But seriously...is it worth slagging the poor cunts off here? I certainly don't think so. It's certainly not something I'd ever do. And when I drop my ute off for work, I always arrange my own way home/back to work/ back to pick it up. Maybe I'm just a weird cunt.

Moi

22nd March 2016, 11:52

I do wonder if all involved in the "courtesy / loan" vehicle business are to blame... both givers-of-vehicle and takers-of-vehicle?

Used to drop car off and get someone to pick you up, or drop car off at garage near work and walk [if you were lucky they might drop you there], or drop car off and catch public transport. Then someone decided that they'd offer a courtesy vehicle and now every man and his dog expects a loaner even when they just drop the vehicle in to have the presets on the radio done!

Nowadays, everyone expects this... and when it doesn't work then... [you can insert whatever phrase you like to finish that statement!]. It seems to have moved from "that was nice of them to do that" to "why haven't I got one too?"

Perhaps once it might have given a dealer / garage an advantage, but with everyone doing it do you get sufficient advantage to warrant the expense - in all ways - of providing a courtesy / loan vehicle?

Just a few thoughts...

awa355

22nd March 2016, 12:19

It amazes me that panelbeaters have loan cars for people who have just smashed up their own. :wacko:

RGVforme

22nd March 2016, 12:42

Ohhhh...you got me good there! Must book an appointment with my Dr. 'What's wrong Pete?" "I'm a wreak!!!":weep:

A sure sign that you have nothing else to add to a debate is to focus on a typo.

RGVforme

22nd March 2016, 12:46

He is Pete McDonald, worked at Wellington Motorcycles for about a hundred years. Every cunt knows him, and knows better than to drink the coffee he offers you fucking idiot.

I'm not sure your playing with a full deck.

Thanks for that.I know who to avoid now....:niceone:

Gremlin

22nd March 2016, 12:53

It amazes me that panelbeaters have loan cars for people who have just smashed up their own. :wacko:
Every time I see one of those vehicles I think... better avoid it. Of course, some could be the victim... but some aren't :shit:

RGVforme

22nd March 2016, 13:24

Every time I see one of those vehicles I think... better avoid it. Of course, some could be the victim... but some aren't :shit:

Even Victims are a bit of a worry.....A good friend has been the victim of 3 crashes now and is a shocker behind the wheel all nervous slow and over to the left when cars are coming(2 crashes were head on when the other car was corner cutting).Like a form of PTSD aye.

Tazz

22nd March 2016, 13:50

Like a form of PTSD aye.

I hear ya. Mum rolled her car onto the beach after hitting unmarked gravel/repairs or something on the way home to Akaroa a good few years back and has been a shit driver ever since. She used to love dropping the hammer on SH75 for years without incident (well, bar the beach one :laugh:) and now she gets so nervous sometimes she gives way to people halfway around a roundabout.

jasonu

22nd March 2016, 13:53

Yep, have mentioned if they booked (well, were meant to have booked) him one, then they should've had one for sure. But we all make mistakes, and at least they still gave him one. Yeah, not having it wof'ed etc is a balls up. But seriously...is it worth slagging the poor cunts off here? I certainly don't think so. It's certainly not something I'd ever do. And when I drop my ute off for work, I always arrange my own way home/back to work/ back to pick it up. I'm just a total cunt.

The one and only time I had a loaner was last century. I had bought an XR500 from (coincidently) Cycle Spot. It blew up within a week so they took it into the workshop to check it out and loaned me an old beat up GS or CB 350 (or summat like that, can't remember the exact model) until the next day. I was heading west along Krd and did a right onto (I think) Albert st when some cunt in an
on coming car did a right turn across my path. I t boned him just in front of his front wheel and ended up on his bonnet looking right at him. I called him a cunt and a few other things, he said he was sorry, I told him to get fucked. Cops said it was his fault. Broke my scaphoid and it still hurts today.
Cycle Spot weren't too happy about it but I think they got over it....

Crasherfromwayback

22nd March 2016, 14:12

A sure sign that you have nothing else to add to a debate is to focus on a typo.

Ummmmm...aren't you the clown that used the word hypocrisy? And there's a big difff between a typo and incorrect spelling from a retard.

Crasherfromwayback

22nd March 2016, 14:13

Thanks for that.I know who to avoid now....:niceone:

Thank Christ. As I get older, I struggle with fuckwits more and more.

sidecar bob

22nd March 2016, 16:05

Thanks for that.I know who to avoid now....:niceone:

Yeah, Better to deal with Boyle's if you want to avoid the cunt.

jonnyk5614

22nd March 2016, 17:30

My Mum dropped her car in at the panel-beaters a while back (someone had assumed that she wasn't going to stop at a stop sign and gone into the back of her).
The next day, she finished work and went back to the courtesy car to find it parked 20m further up Great North Road! Turned out someone had "fallen asleep" while drunk and high and driven into 5 cars.

Never stopped getting shit from the panel beaters for 2 rear ends in a week.

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nzspokes

22nd March 2016, 17:40

Crasherfromwayback

22nd March 2016, 18:09

Checked the 'Busa into CycleSpot today for its service. No loan bikes available. "No worries - the boys in sales will sort you out with something."

Rock upstairs and the sales dude goes "Oh, got a brand new CBR300 you might like" sees me cry inside and goes "just kidding, let's choose you something fun."

Gives me an Aprilla Dessiduro 1200 - mean!

Can't say I'm very impressed. I know I should check it out but the salesman game me the keys to a bike in his showroom. I assumed his paperwork was up to date...

The dealer didn't "forget" to attach a D plate. He forgot to get his paperwork in order, and for a long time at that.

In any case, a D plate doesn't cover a courtesy bike. Sure, the guy might have said "just say you're on a test ride" if you get pulled over and I would have been "no worrie".

I wouldn't be "crying my eyes out not to get a bike" but I would be annoyed. I had booked the service 2 weeks in advance and also booked a loan bike as I needed to get to work. Come the service, "oh shit, we're out of loaners - no worries, sales will sort you out with something".
".

Pity you didn't mention in your original post you'd *booked* a loaner I guess. Kinda like you've added that in after the fact sort of thing eh? As some customers tend to do, because they're all so straight up and honest with bike shop staff 100% of the time eh?

jasonu

22nd March 2016, 18:14

jonnyk5614

22nd March 2016, 18:21

Pity you didn't mention in your original post you'd *booked* a loaner I guess. Kinda like you've added that in after the fact sort of thing eh? As some customers tend to do, because they're all so straight up and honest with bike shop staff 100% of the time eh?

I booked the loaner lol.
I booked the service (and loaner) a fortnight in advance.
Apologies, I may have forgotten to mention I just did a really good poo.
Full disclosure from now on.

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trufflebutter

22nd March 2016, 18:30

I booked the loaner lol.
I booked the service (and loaner) a fortnight in advance.
Apologies, I may have forgotten to mention I just did a really good poo.
Full disclosure from now on.

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....a really good poo in the the shape of..? details, any online thread is a waste of time without details.

Crasherfromwayback

22nd March 2016, 18:44

Full disclosure from now on.
k

That's the story!

Drew

22nd March 2016, 19:01

Thanks for that.I know who to avoid now....:niceone:

You write like some authority on all things motorcycle, are you someone we should know or something?

Madness

22nd March 2016, 19:06

I poo in the mornings, almost always just before I shower. Can't poo in public toilets, that's just fucking weird. Motel & Hotel toilets, yeah no problem but gas stations? Fuck that.

Big Dog

22nd March 2016, 19:09

I booked the loaner lol.
I booked the service (and loaner) a fortnight in advance.
Apologies, I may have forgotten to mention I just did a really good poo.
Full disclosure from now on.

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Pics or it didn't happen.... :sick:

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ellipsis

22nd March 2016, 19:10

...ya all full o shite...

Moi

22nd March 2016, 19:28

Pics or it didn't happen...

You'll need one of these then...

http://www.icbe.org/pics/german_shelf_toilet.jpg

RGVforme

22nd March 2016, 20:02

You write like some authority on all things motorcycle, are you someone we should know or something?

320623

Seems fitting....

Crasherfromwayback

22nd March 2016, 21:23

Don't trust Dealers.....;)

Until you want something from them eh? Like free time...information, experience and their years of knowledge for nothing, when the interweeeeeeb can't fix your bike for you.

Crasherfromwayback

22nd March 2016, 21:25

320623

Seems fitting....

I'd say for you...every single time you look in the mirror.

Berries

22nd March 2016, 22:20

Apologies, I may have forgotten to mention I just did a really good poo.
Did you post a picture on Facebook like you did of the loan bike?

jonnyk5614

23rd March 2016, 01:45

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Drew

23rd March 2016, 09:42

Seems fitting....There's irony here.

I asked you a question. Since you have incorrectly assumed that Pete likes to type with anonymity and pointed it out in a fashion indicative that you're against such behaviour, I thought you might enlighten us as to who you might be.

That's a fence line irony/hypocrisy in all.

Erelyes

23rd March 2016, 10:08

What the fuck is a wreak anyway?

It's the sound my brain made after reading some of the posts in this thread.

RGVforme

23rd March 2016, 11:37

There's irony here.

I asked you a question. Since you have incorrectly assumed that Pete likes to type with anonymity and pointed it out in a fashion indicative that you're against such behaviour, I thought you might enlighten us as to who you might be.

That's a fence line irony/hypocrisy in all.

Asked me a question did yah....That's nice.

You incorrectly assumed that EVERYBODY on KB knew who this Pete chap was..Is that the irony in this.

RGVforme

23rd March 2016, 11:42

Until you want something from them eh? Like free time...information, experience and their years of knowledge for nothing, when the interweeeeeeb can't fix your bike for you.

Yep....Not everybody relies on a Dealership now to keep their bike running.I hate to think how much the Internet has hurt dealership sales of bikes and parts for sure.:clap:

Maha

23rd March 2016, 12:07

Asked me a question did yah....That's nice.

You incorrectly assumed that EVERYBODY on KB knew who this Pete chap was..Is that the irony in this.

Everyone knows who Pete is... come on...it's Pete! you know.... Pete, everyone knows Pete, It's Pete....PETE! Just think harder, you must know who Pete is?

Crasherfromwayback

23rd March 2016, 12:19

Yep....Not everybody relies on a Dealership now to keep their bike running.I hate to think how much the Internet has hurt dealership sales of bikes and parts for sure.:clap:

And just how much money has been made by dealerships, after total fucking morons that think they know everything, fuck it up because they learnt it on the interweeeeeeb.:msn-wink:

RGVforme

23rd March 2016, 12:39

Everyone knows who Pete is... come on...it's Pete! you know.... Pete, everyone knows Pete, It's Pete....PETE! Just think harder, you know you know Pete.

Lol Its quite a concern that im not in this 'KB circle of Peter McDonald' for sure Maha......Drew seems quite smitten to the point of unbridled defence and suggesting showers when the see each other.:drool:.......I wonder if they do threeways?.:lol:

PrincessBandit

23rd March 2016, 12:41

Well I must say I'm pleased I found this thread because I've always assumed that when I've been given the use of a loaner that all the legalities are sorted before I ride away. I think the OP was a little unlucky if he was "targeted" because he looked dodgy slipping down a no-exit road.
Since I've only had loan bikes from Haldanes (originally) and then Colemans I'd like to think that they have a reputation to uphold and wouldn't put a rider in the position of being on a, technically, un-roadworthy bike.

Maha

23rd March 2016, 13:00

Lol Its quite a concern that im not in this 'KB circle of Peter McDonald' for sure Maha......Drew seems quite smitten to the point of unbridled defence and suggesting showers when the see each other.:drool:.......I wonder if they do threeways?.:lol:

Ohhhhhhhhhhh the stories that have been told around many a campfire :shifty:

bogan

23rd March 2016, 13:40

Ohhhhhhhhhhh the stories that have been told around many a campfire :shifty:

Weren't they story's about his Old man?

Irreverently, the bloke might not have got to that stage of his education to hear that one yet.

sidecar bob

23rd March 2016, 14:18

Lol Its quite a concern that im not in this 'KB circle of Peter McDonald' for sure Maha......Drew seems quite smitten to the point of unbridled defence and suggesting showers when the see each other.:drool:.......I wonder if they do threeways?.:lol:

Well hes not a fuckin idiot, if that helps.
Drew is also a fairly well rounded individual that calls it like it is, he also installs heat pumps for beer, I like that in a man.

Maha

23rd March 2016, 14:30

Well hes not a fuckin idiot, if that helps.
Drew is also a fairly well rounded individual that calls it like it is, he also installs heat pumps for beer, I like that in a man.

Shouldn't really post things 'you like in a man' on a predominantly male biker forum, it may invoke the return of some very unsavory members from times past.

Drew

23rd March 2016, 16:34

Asked me a question did yah....That's nice.

You incorrectly assumed that EVERYBODY on KB knew who this Pete chap was..Is that the irony in this.

You gutless cunt. You had a dig and said Pete was a keyboard warrior (essentially), now that you're called on it you don't nut up...and won't fucken shut up either.

Grow some balls.

Crasher is a handsome man, but he's a bit scrawny for my taste.

Maha

23rd March 2016, 16:40

Drew

23rd March 2016, 16:41

What kind man do you like the taste of?

Not too salty.

Maha

23rd March 2016, 16:43

Not too salty.

Hence the Pete thing, I have seen what he stirs his coffee with....:sick:

jasonu

23rd March 2016, 18:42

Crasher is a handsome man, but he's a bit scrawny for my taste.

What kind man do you like the taste of?

Not too salty.

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Crasherfromwayback

23rd March 2016, 19:04

10 characters

Lol. May I ask why you have this pic in your *collection*? And I'm way fatter than that!:headbang:

RGVforme

23rd March 2016, 19:59

You gutless cunt. You had a dig and said Pete was a keyboard warrior (essentially), now that you're called on it you don't nut up...and won't fucken shut up either.

Grow some balls.

Crasher is a handsome man, but he's a bit scrawny for my taste.

"Fairly well rounded" you say Sidecar bob.....:confused:....

Name calling another sign of someone who has the debating skills of a chocolate fish.....Keep going though lil buddy your doing great.

Is this like a Charlotte Dawson type deal where no matter how much the opinions of another upset you you still cant help but read and reply even though its your choice to do so and you were not even the object of the "Dig" in the first place.

Its all very Homoerotic...:scratch: but hey what ever puckers your rusty bullet hole.