Are you a 'Kiwi' or a New Zealander?

[Stylo]

Too often I'm watching, hearing or reading from the media that a 'Kiwi' has been involved in some sort of issue meaning a person from New Zealand. The adjective version ' He did it the Kiwi way !' implies to me that he must be blind and stupid.

Seems very prevalent and more so these days, 'Be proud you're a Kiwi !'

I was born here and resent being called a 'Kiwi' . Seems no other country in the refers to it's people after an animal, excepting on the sports arena of course. Wallaby's, Puma's etc. That's cool, no worries.

The Kiwi is possibly the most stupid avian species in the world, good for nothing excepting it's still survived. Cant see, can't fly and only good for grub hunting on the forest floor in the middle of the night. Useless.

Don't call me a Kiwi.

I'm a New Zealander.

[Katman]

That's lovely dear.

[Mike.Gayner]

You must be a very unhappy person, letting such a benign matter bother you so much.

[russd7]

rather be refered to as a kiwi than a pakeha although when ya think about it, both terms refer to some mans dinner

[willytheekid]

http://m.memegen.com/4da502.jpg





ps....:blink:...:whocares:

[98tls]

Too often I'm watching, hearing or reading from the media Therein lies your problem.

[granstar]

New Zealander , descendant from Orkney Isles and Northern Ireland stock 4 generations back when forefathers landed here and supervised the build of the rail main line from Riverton to Gore, then 3 generations of a butcher shop, 2 generations fighting for the freedom of this country, I feel it only respectful to call myself a New Zealander. European Pakeha is only relative to that wee corner of the flag we all love to pieces ( apart from John), and Kiwi is a boot polish.

[Stylo]

You must be a very unhappy person, letting such a benign matter bother you so much.

Happy man mate, thought it timely to throw something different in the ring...

Just resent being called an avian version of a rat.

That's pretty much what a Kiwi is. You've obviously missed the point, cool ...

[oldrider]

Old saying from wayyy back at school - "sticks and stones may break our bones but names can never hurt us" - call me what you will. :bleh:

The only way anybody else can give you grief is because you let them - especially applicable to keyboard warriors like that dumb cunt bogan - now there is a loser! :innocent:

[Stylo]

New Zealander , descendant from Orkney Isles and Northern Ireland stock 4 generations back when forefathers landed here and supervised the build of the rail main line from Riverton to Gore, then 3 generations of a butcher shop, 2 generations fighting for the freedom of this country, I feel it only respectful to call myself a New Zealander. European Pakeha is only relative to that wee corner of the flag we all love to pieces ( apart from John), and Kiwi is a boot polish.

Nice comment mate, you're not a Kiwi and neither am I.

[Akzle]

and i shall rather call you: dodo.

[Stylo]

and i shall rather call you: dodo.

Always someone to fuck it up with some inane comment.

Time for your tablets 'Akzle'. Take them as prescribed aye, you're special mate.

Electric blanket on '2' then head off for the pillow mate.

We're all looking after you

[Akzle]

Always someone to fuck it up with some inane comment.

Time for your tablets 'Akzle'. Take them as prescribed aye, you're special mate.

Electric blanket on '2' then head off for the pillow mate.

We're all looking after you

im not sure what noise a dodo would make, it probably wasn't moo, so... Go fuck yourself.

(ps, the inane commentary started in post #1)

[nerrrd]

The Kiwi is possibly the most stupid avian species in the world, good for nothing excepting it's still survived. Cant see, can't fly and only good for grub hunting on the forest floor in the middle of the night. Useless.


Just resent being called an avian version of a rat.

Kiwis are unique, and oh so cute...so I agree, probably not you.

Plus some not very scientific googling reveals that whether you like it or not, you're 96% the same as a chimpanzee, 90% the same as a cat, 80% the same as a cow, 75% as a mouse and 60% as a chicken, genetically speaking. Congratulations!

[Madness]

Duuuh duh duh duuh!

[98tls]

All good to call yourself a New Zealander on the net mate but stand up in public and say the same thing if your skins pale and within a week there will be a bunch of beggars knocking on the door with a piece of paper demanding 1/2 of what you grafted for.

[Mike.Gayner]

All good to call yourself a New Zealander on the net mate but stand up in public and say the same thing if your skins pale and within a week there will be a bunch of beggars knocking on the door with a piece of paper demanding 1/2 of what you grafted for.

What?

[10 char]

[Grumph]

This brings back a faint memory of a Census many years back where there were multiple options for ethnicity - and luckily a line for "other"

I think I wrote in "New Zealander" as it was not an option on that Census....

[TheDemonLord]

Neither. I'm English.

[bogan]

Then you must be looking for www.newzealanderbiker.co.nz

Now, pakeha is a label to to cause volatile conditions outside of a teacup...

[Mike.Gayner]

This brings back a faint memory of a Census many years back where there were multiple options for ethnicity - and luckily a line for "other"

I think I wrote in "New Zealander" as it was not an option on that Census....

Such anarchy.

[puddytat]

I think its just splitting hairs.....I see myself as both a New Zealander & a Kiwi...its one and the same to me.

I wouldn't be to worried about beggars taking half of what ''we've" got....we are selling our souls , our country as fast as we can to anyone seemingly.
http://act.sumofus.org/go/231557?t=7&akid=18479.1801867.-g0E5Z
http://act.sumofus.org/go/231558?t=8&akid=18479.1801867.-g0E5Z

[98tls]

I think its just splitting hairs.....I see myself as both a New Zealander & a Kiwi...its one and the same to me.

I wouldn't be to worried about beggars taking half of what ''we've" got....we are selling our souls , our country as fast as we can to anyone seemingly.
http://act.sumofus.org/go/231557?t=7&akid=18479.1801867.-g0E5Z
http://act.sumofus.org/go/231558?t=8&akid=18479.1801867.-g0E5Z

:laugh:At least theres a monetary return,in case you didnt notice we have been giving our country away for decades :sick:

[puddytat]

Yeah, like 3cents a litre.....

[SPman]

I don't care what I'm called - as long as it's not late for dinner!

[swbarnett]

Get a life. What's wrong with being referred to by one of our national symbols?

Also, you obviously have absolutely no appreciation of the value of bio-diversity.

[Akzle]

:laugh:At least theres a monetary return,in case you didnt notice we have been giving our country away for decades :sick:

monetary return!
"our" country!

Fuck sake!

[Voltaire]

My Sister in Law lives 6 months on a canal boat in France, she was really wound up about the flag and being confused for Aussies....oh dear.

I don't care when I travel overseas as long as no one thinks I'm American.:laugh:

[skippa1]

Always someone to fuck it up with some inane comment.


You started it

[Maha]

A lot of New Zealanders can't see or fly and eat what they can manage to scrounge up.

[P38]

I don't mind being called either a Kiwi or a New Zealander and are quite proud of either term.

When travelling I've found most people (except Americans) understand the term Kiwi and I quite often introduce myself as a Kiwi.

However I do resent being referred to as European, Caucasian or even worse Pakeha.


Cheers
Pete

[Oakie]

I'm a New Zealander on official forms. I'm a Kiwi at most other times. The only term I object to is Pakeha ... which is why I'm a NZer on official forms. Happy to be a 'NZer' alongside all my white, yellow and brown NZer brothers and sisters rather than be sorted by skin colour.

Apart from that, 'kiwi' is also a way to describe how we do stuff so it has become an adjective as well as a noun.

FUN FACT: Did you know that the kiwi bird has the shortest beak of all birds? TRUE!
In zoological terms, a bird's beak is measured from it's nostrils to the end of it's beak. Of course in most birds, the nostrils are where the beak meets the birds head, but on a kiwi, the nostrils are right at the tip of the beak ... hence the kiwi bird having the shortest distance between nostril and beak tip ... has the shortest beak.

You're welcome.

[Woodman]

Being called a Kiwi or a New Zealander doesn't matter to me, but we need a name for us that doesn't need the word "a" in front of it. Every other country has one that I can think* of e.g. That man is Australian, American, Canadian, English, Irish, Iranian, Samoan, German, Danish, French, Italian, etc.

What are we New Zealandish? New Zealandian?


* Didn't think very long.

[Akzle]

Being called a Kiwi or a New Zealander doesn't matter to me, but we need a name for us that doesn't need the word "a" in front of it. Every other country has one that I can think* of e.g. That man is Australian, American, Canadian, English, Irish, Iranian, Samoan, German, Danish, French, Italian, etc.

What are we New Zealandish? New Zealandian?


* Didn't think very long.

yes but if you look to the vernacular it becomes
a chink, a nigger, a spic, a gook, a cannuck, a yank
etc.

[Ocean1]

I think its just splitting hairs.....I see myself as both a New Zealander & a Kiwi...its one and the same to me.

I wouldn't be to worried about beggars taking half of what ''we've" got....we are selling our souls , our country as fast as we can to anyone seemingly.
http://act.sumofus.org/go/231557?t=7&akid=18479.1801867.-g0E5Z
http://act.sumofus.org/go/231558?t=8&akid=18479.1801867.-g0E5Z


:laugh:At least theres a monetary return,in case you didnt notice we have been giving our country away for decades :sick:

There's a waterary return, too, they were replacing every 40 litres with 60.

You have to not notice that bit if you need to get really upset about someone else making money.

[mada]

Obviously you don't like watties... :shit:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qazPkHH74L8

[Moi]

Try writing "Kiwi" on an immigration form where it asks for Nationality...

[MarkH]

I don't mind being called a kiwi or New Zealander or Caucasian or Pakeha, none of those terms are derogatory and I fit the definition of any of them.
European is wrong though, I was born & raised in NZ, not in Europe.
'New Zealander of European decent' is fine, but rather unwieldy IMO.
I understand that I have English, Scottish & Irish heritage, but I definitely think of myself as a New Zealander or Kiwi.
The only problem with Caucasian or Pakeha or NZer of Euro decent is that for most purposes my race isn't particularly important, at least Kiwi or New Zealander doesn't suggest any negative or positive values based on my race. Not that saying I'm of European decent is any more insulting than saying a person of Maori decent is a Maori.

It seems to me that some people want to take offence and choose to take offence even when referred to by rather benign names.
Someone called you a Kiwi, what! Have you never been called worse than that?

[Voltaire]

yes but if you look to the vernacular it becomes
a chink, a nigger, a spic, a gook, a cannuck, a yank
etc.

There is a song about that..:laugh:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F67JhKT5bxU

[Tazz]

You get 4th+++ generation Americans and Australians calling themselves Greek, Italian or what have you, so technically in the minds of many you are neither a Kiwi nor New Zealander :bleh:

Doesn't bother me either way personally. Still better than being called Bruce.

[Mike.Gayner]

Why do so many people here have an aversion to the term "pakaha" or "European New Zealander"? It's a descriptive term. Whether you chose to define yourself that way or not is up to you, but it's demographically useful for a variety of obvious reasons.

[sidecar bob]

Why do so many people here have an aversion to the term "pakaha".

It's Pakeha, it's a Maori word & although the pretend it isint, it's a very derogatory term.
As a descendant of Dutch & Danish immigrants born in NZ, I do not accept a Maori word to describe my ethnicity.

[Woodman]

yes but if you look to the vernacular it becomes
a chink, a nigger, a spic, a gook, a cannuck, a yank
etc.

Reminds me of that old joke:

What do you call 5 Japanese, 1 Chinese, and 3 African Americans standing on your front lawn?

A sprinkler.

Nip Nip Nip Nip Nip, Chink, Nigger Nigger Nigger.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Voltaire]

It's Pakeha, it's a Maori word & although the pretend it isint, it's a very derogatory term.
As a descendant of Dutch & Danish immigrants born in NZ, I do not accept a Maori word to describe my ethnicity.

Might be just an urban myth.

At the risk of being a cut and paste know nothing Rant and Raver...:laugh:



Is it insulting to be called a 'pakeha'?


27 September 2012, by Gavin White



We asked SAYit panel members whether or not they thought that 'pakeha' was originally used by Maori as an insulting term for European settlers. A clear majority believe that it was, including a substantial proportion of Maori.
•66% of New Zealanders believe that 'pakeha' was originally an insulting term, including 44% of Maori
•Under 30 year olds (70%), Aucklanders (70%) and Cantabrians (68%) are relatively likely to believe that this was the case, while Wellingtonians (56%) and other people living in the lower half of the North Island (56%) were less likely to.

I asked this question in late 2011, not long after I'd had a heated discussion with someone who was adamant that 'pakeha' originally meant 'white pig'. I argued that this was exceptionally unlikely, particularly as (as far as I can tell) there were no pigs in New Zealand before Europeans arrived (e.g. http://www.kunekune.info/en/history/history.php suggests that Kune Kune pigs were introduced by European whalers and sealers while the origin of 'Captain Cookers' is implied in the name).

After I asked this question, I thought it'd be useful to consult an expert in the Maori language. I spoke to Associate Professor Rawinia Higgins, from Victoria University's School of Maori Studies. Her response was:

“There is no evidence that ‘pakeha’ was originally used by Maori as an insulting term. The word originates from Pakehakeha, which means 'Imaginary beings resembling men, with fair skins' (Williams Dictionary pg: 252). At the point of contact with Maori it would make sense that these strangers could be described in such a manner. However, what people take issue with is that there are multiple meanings of the base words of pakeha and of course it is easier to sensationalize the more derogatory meanings rather than the original intention.”

This article supports Associate Professor Higgins' view: http://maorinews.com/writings/papers/other/pakeha.htm, while other articles (e.g. http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/1966/maori-pakeha-pakeha-maori/2 and http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-SmiMaor-ti-body-d1.html) indicate that 'Pakehakeha' was a name for a type of pale-skinned sea god.



I suspect part of the reason people have come to the conclusion that 'pakeha' was insulting is the nature of the Maori language. From my limited understanding it seems to be something of a 'portmanteau' language - meaning that smaller words are often combined to become longer words. Just as in English the words 'goal' and 'keeper' have been combined to become 'goalkeeper', in Maori we see words like 'wai' and 'tangi' combined to become 'Waitangi'. That's compounded by the fact that some simple Maori words have multiple meanings - http://www.maoridictionary.co.nz, for example, shows that 'pa' can mean to touch or hit, to obstruct, a village and a group. It does not mean 'white' or 'pale' (as many of us will remember the song from school - 'ma is white').



The same dictionary gives three meanings for the word 'keha' - 'flea', 'turnip' and 'ulcer'.



The fact that 'pakeha' is shorter than 'pakehakeha' is of limited importance - plenty of other words have been shortened in regular usage (e.g. 'bike' and 'pram').



So basically we're left with a choice - we can either believe that Maori first referred to Europeans as 'fair skinned beings resembling men' (with a possible connection with the sea) or as 'a group of turnips'. Given that Europeans arrived by sea, were comparatively pale skinned, and possessed technology which must have seemed magical to the first Maori to encounter them, I tend to think that the former is more likely.



Of course, none of that matters if people FEEL insulted to be called pakeha. I'm fine with it, but know that many are not. Feel free to comment below, or there's a Facebook poll running at http://www.facebook.com/sayitnz asking people whether they feel comfortable with the term.

[WNJ]

Neither. I'm English.

Same, but don't care if someone calls me pakeha as long as there not offended being called, coco, sa,nigger, coon, hori, gook,chink,yarpi ,fob in reply :shutup:

[Scuba_Steve]

I'm both depending on if we're talking formal or slang. what I am not is a NZ European
Good to see more and more forms are including New Zealander as an option nowadays, not all of us just arrived in country, quite a few of us were born here.

[russd7]

seems to me tha "Pakeha" is no more or no less insulting or derogatory than the likes of blacks, niggers, spooks, coconuts, saffers, nips, chinks, golliwogs or any number of words used to denote ethnicity.
I don't like it, was taught at a very young age from older Maori that it meant White Pig and was coined because our flesh tasted like pig meat.

funny thing when i read articles that claim to not finding any written evidence of its meaning, Maori had no written language before modern European landed on these fair shores

[russd7]

don't mind being called Kiwi, eats, roots and leaves

[Akzle]

seems to me tha "Pakeha" is no more or no less insulting or derogatory than the likes of blacks, niggers, spooks, coconuts, saffers, nips, chinks, golliwogs or any number of words used to denote ethnicity.
I don't like it, was taught at a very young age from older Maori that it meant White Pig and was coined because our flesh tasted like pig meat.

funny thing when i read articles that claim to not finding any written evidence of its meaning, Maori had no written language before modern European landed on these fair shores

no, that's palangi.

pakeha is generally taken to mean "not maori" the french, dutch and even crackerass jew motherfuck english, are all pakeha.

[Tazz]

Maori had no written language before modern European landed on these fair shores

Nor pigs...?

[tigertim20]

You get 4th+++ generation Americans and Australians calling themselves Greek, Italian or what have you, so technically in the minds of many you are neither a Kiwi nor New Zealander :bleh:

Doesn't bother me either way personally. Still better than being called Bruce.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e91v1hC6__Y

Pakeha = non maori. useful only in terms of asserting that one is not Maori. pretty fucking useless in terms of defining someones actual ethnicity.

kiwi, european new zealander, doesn't matter what you call yourself, theres people out there calling you much worse, so who cares?

[Oakie]

Why do so many people here have an aversion to the term "pakaha" or "European New Zealander"? It's a descriptive term. Whether you chose to define yourself that way or not is up to you, but it's demographically useful for a variety of obvious reasons.

For me it's because I'd rather just be a member of one big collective (New Zealander) than be broken down into a subset depending on where my great great grandparents came from.

[TheDemonLord]

Might be just an urban myth.

At the risk of being a cut and paste know nothing Rant and Raver...:laugh:

Interesting article:


A clear majority believe that it was, including a substantial proportion of Maori.
•66% of New Zealanders believe that 'pakeha' was originally an insulting term, including 44% of Maori
•Under 30 year olds (70%), Aucklanders (70%) and Cantabrians (68%) are relatively likely to believe that this was the case, while Wellingtonians (56%) and other people living in the lower half of the North Island (56%) were less likely to.

Surely, if the people calling you something believe it to be offensive, and the you believe it to be offensive, then regardless of the original definition of the term, it can be considered by both relevant parties to be offensive.

[Akzle]

Surely, if the people calling you something believe it to be offensive, and the you believe it to be offensive, then regardless of the original definition of the term, it can be considered by both relevant parties to be offensive.

well, if everyone concerned is a fucken townie and/or ignorant racist cunt, their opinions ar a bit irrelevant anyway. innit.
wait, who started this thread again?

[Tazz]

Surely, if the people calling you something believe it to be offensive, and the you believe it to be offensive, then regardless of the original definition of the term, it can be considered by both relevant parties to be offensive.

You're forgetting the fact that people are stupid and like to be offended so they have something to feel self important and complain about :bleh:

[Big Dog]

Complicated further by not having a common language until Te Reo.
Each of the "7 canoes" had their own dialect with some cross over but not the same.

When I was at school Maori was compulsory up to 4th form. No one ever mentioned Te Reo until the late 80's. We were taught the version of Maori spoken by the teacher with a lot of emphasis placed on those words that were post European influence. Counting, spelling, prayer etc.

Result? While palangi and pakeha may be disrespectful in some tribes it is not in others.

Having been born of two families that go back to the 1840s in New Zealand I don't identify with my European sides.
I relate with being a New Zealander.
I don't mind being called a kiwi, pakeha or palangi. These words only carry the significance you assign to them.

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[Tazz]

English isn't exactly what it was 100+ years ago either.

[TheDemonLord]

You're forgetting the fact that people are stupid and like to be offended so they have something to feel self important and complain about :bleh:

Don't worry - I'm not forgetting that, I have an intense dislike of Offend-a-trons. The key is that whether the person who uses the comment intends to cause offense by it.

[Big Dog]

English isn't exactly what it was 100+ years ago either.
Exactly.

Words carry the meaning and importance you assign to them.

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[Tazz]

The key is that whether the person who uses the comment intends to cause offense by it.

And if they do intend offence then/so what? Handbags out? For what purpose? How does being offended by something enhance any ones life?

[TheDemonLord]

And if they do intend offence then/so what? Handbags out? For what purpose? How does being offended by something enhance any ones life?

Depends on the offense - there are some things I would be willing to fight over what was said/done, others I would not bat an eyelid at.

[Woodman]

And if they do intend offence then/so what? Handbags out? For what purpose? How does being offended by something enhance any ones life?

Exactly, Personally I don't think I have ever been offended by something someone has said to me, intentionally or not.

[Oakie]

When I was at school Maori was compulsory up to 4th form. No one ever mentioned Te Reo until the late 80's. We were taught the version of Maori spoken by the teacher with a lot of emphasis placed on those words that were post European influence. Counting, spelling, prayer etc.
.

The only timed I ever laughed out loud in a library was a few years ago at the New Brighton library. The had labelled a few things in Te Reo to be nice and PC (Reception, Toilet etc) with the one that got me was the sign for 'Photocopier' which also had it's Te Teo counterpart under. Just got a mental image of Wiremu back in the day photocopying on the Marae while the wahine made baskets etc.

[Tazz]

The only timed I ever laughed out loud in a library was a few years ago at the New Brighton library. The had labelled a few things in Te Reo to be nice and PC (Reception, Toilet etc) with the one that got me was the sign for 'Photocopier' which also had it's Te Teo counterpart under. Just got a mental image of Wiremu back in the day photocopying on the Marae while the wahine made baskets etc.

They were invented (along with the Engrish name for them) in the 60's so the Wahine was probably doing what everyone else worth their salt back then was doing and seeing if they would make usable copies of LSD tabs :laugh:

[granstar]

It's Pakeha, it's a Maori word & although the pretend it isint, it's a very derogatory term.
As a descendant of Dutch & Danish immigrants born in NZ, I do not accept a Maori word to describe my ethnicity.

My wife's Opa emigrated in the 60's so with you there "Tulip muncher". Before anyone (pun ) scoffs! at that, when you hear the true stories from this era who as kids growing up in the Netherlands running from Germans who impoverished the food supply from their peaceful neighbours to keep war troops on the go, they were starving and ate anything to keep alive. So validity albeit cheeky behind that handle. Even today he walks into supermarkets and is in awe at the shelves of food.
Us Kiwi's, er New Zealanders we ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYvMeT2GC14

[Ocean1]

Might be just an urban myth.

At the risk of being a cut and paste know nothing Rant and Raver...:laugh:


Of course, none of that matters if people FEEL insulted to be called pakeha.

Sorta like African Americans FEEL insulted by the N word meaning "black"?

[Voltaire]

Sorta like African Americans FEEL insulted by the N word meaning "black"?

That's more to do with how America leapt forward from the early 1700's rural economy to the Civil War in the 1960's from the sweat of African Slaves, and has treated them poorly

in the intervening 100 odd years that the actual word itself.

[Ocean1]

We were taught the version of Maori spoken by the teacher with a lot of emphasis placed on those words that were post European influence. Counting, spelling, prayer etc.

When I were a nipper, in the deep south, I had a Maori friend called Charlie. He lived up the road a bit, in an old rundown farmhouse.

I was 4 or 5, and Charlie was about 80, and believe it or not he spoke less English than I did. Never stopped us talking from the time I escaped the house until Charlie walked me home for dinner.

Much later, long after Charlie stopped being able to walk me home, and well after he stopped answering his doorbell I learned that what Charlie and I spoke was mostly Maori. Or so the old dear in the shop half way between where Charlie and I lived told my mother. When my mother asked her to speak to me, so that she could hear me speak it the old dear said that she couldn't. Or wouldn't. She thought that what Charlie spoke was quite different to what she used with her family, from quite some way away. My mother told me she seemed also to believe that there was something almost disrespectful in her even attempting to speak to me as Charlie had.

I remember Charlie vividly to this day, can even hear and understand him. And yet I can't speak more than a couple of dozen words of "Maori".

[Ocean1]

That's more to do with how America leapt forward from the early 1700's rural economy to the Civil War in the 1960's from the sweat of African Slaves, and has treated them poorly

in the intervening 100 odd years that the actual word itself.

Then why are they also offended when non-Americans, (who've never treated them anything let alone poorly) call them black?

[Voltaire]

Then why are they also offended when non-Americans, (who've never treated them anything let alone poorly) call them black?

Offended is an over used word, what does it actually mean?

I could say I'm offended every time I see or hear Kanye West, but what I really mean is his noise hurts my ears.

I think the last time I was offended was when my MIL called me a common tradesman.:laugh:

[Oakie]

I think the last time I was offended was when my MIL called me a common tradesman.:laugh:

How rude!

10 chars

[Ocean1]

Offended is an over used word, what does it actually mean?

I could say I'm offended every time I see or hear Kanye West, but what I really mean is his noise hurts my ears.

I think the last time I was offended was when my MIL called me a common tradesman.:laugh:

I suspect it's similar to what I feel when I see people being offended by everyday words used across several languages and hundreds of countries and bearing not the slightest trace of insult or denigration in any of them.

But I've always known that what I get offended by is just weird shit.

And I think perhaps re Kanye West you're getting confused between offense and outrage.


Also, was the MIL offended enough by the source of your income to decline the use of it at any stage?

[Drew]

What a fucken let down this is.

Mibbee you should be labeled 'whinging fucken bitch from New Zealand'. Seems the most fitting.

[ellipsis]

...there are, amongst the irreverant tags put on races that, incidentally, like us were a conglomerate of interlopers, slaves or lost souls occupying some one else's turf at some point in history and staying...Wops, Gooks, Coons, Ockers, Poms, Boongas, Pakis, Curry Munchers, Slant Eyes, Chinks, Yanks, Redskins, Sandniggers, Paddys, Jocks, Norfies, continue your own list if you wish...I'm 1st gen on my paternal side, 1856 on the maternal, am mainly of a bastard mix of Irish, Welsh, Scots, some transported through Tasmania...I am lucky to be here...you obviously need to get out more...

[Big Dog]

The only timed I ever laughed out loud in a library was a few years ago at the New Brighton library. The had labelled a few things in Te Reo to be nice and PC (Reception, Toilet etc) with the one that got me was the sign for 'Photocopier' which also had it's Te Teo counterpart under. Just got a mental image of Wiremu back in the day photocopying on the Marae while the wahine made baskets etc.
Not impossible given Te Reo is only 30-40 years old.

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[Akzle]

Remember going to a bar in London back in '87 ...

Ordered a beer and the Aussie barman asked me where I was from, I said New Zealand and added the acronym 'Keen Individual With Integrity'

KIWI.

He paused , served another customer then poured my beer and said sounds like a mistake there mate, I'd call you a Keen individual without intelligence judging by the way the All Blacks have been getting on lately.

Good bloke, didn't charge me for the beer.

fuck. Your absolutely right. Mind if i call you jesus?
One should judge someone elses intellect by the performance of the favoured sports team of the country theyre from. :doh:

[Big Dog]

When I were a nipper, in the deep south, I had a Maori friend called Charlie. He lived up the road a bit, in an old rundown farmhouse.

I was 4 or 5, and Charlie was about 80, and believe it or not he spoke less English than I did. Never stopped us talking from the time I escaped the house until Charlie walked me home for dinner.

Much later, long after Charlie stopped being able to walk me home, and well after he stopped answering his doorbell I learned that what Charlie and I spoke was mostly Maori. Or so the old dear in the shop half way between where Charlie and I lived told my mother. When my mother asked her to speak to me, so that she could hear me speak it the old dear said that she couldn't. Or wouldn't. She thought that what Charlie spoke was quite different to what she used with her family, from quite some way away. My mother told me she seemed also to believe that there was something almost disrespectful in her even attempting to speak to me as Charlie had.

I remember Charlie vividly to this day, can even hear and understand him. And yet I can't speak more than a couple of dozen words of "Maori".
Yep.
To me is stories like that stuff need to be a bigger part of our heritage.
Not he called me a name that if I try heard enough I can be offended by.
Much of the language throughout the Pacific was written down and formalised into a language by the same group of missionaries so it is little surprise there are common words... Albeit sometimes with different intent.
Palangi in most languages of the Pacific is a respectful word.
30 years ago I remember the Maori of Ngongotaha reserving ther word for pakeha with deserved mana, veterans, police, ministers etc. Some time in the 80's the word was used a lot during protests in a far more irreverent tone. Since then I have only heard it uttered by ferals trying to offend.

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[Drew]

uttered by ferals trying to offend.

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Is that a different approach from you calling them 'ferals'?

I'm a moron, and I can see the fucken stupidity in what you're saying. So shut your hole pakeha.

[Stylo]

fuck. Your absolutely right. Mind if i call you jesus?
One should judge someone elses intellect by the performance of the favoured sports team of the country theyre from. :doh:

Call me anything you want you mate, never been called Jesus though ...Hmmm

[Big Dog]

Is that a different approach from you calling them 'ferals'?

I'm a moron, and I can see the fucken stupidity in what you're saying. So shut your hole pakeha.
What term would you have me apply?
Not all the people I mean are Maori.

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[Drew]

What term would you have me apply?
Not all the people I mean are Maori.

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If you think they're being derogatory, replying in kind makes you no better.

Race never entered into it.

[Madness]

Call me anything you want you mate...

Honkey Kiwi.

[ellipsis]

Race never entered into it.

...I only came because of the racing bit...

[Tazz]

Call me anything you want you mate

Then what's this all about then mate :laugh:

[James Deuce]

Old saying from wayyy back at school - "sticks and stones may break our bones but names can never hurt us" - call me what you will. :bleh:


Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never quite describe the pain.

[Woodman]

Remember going to a bar in London back in '87 ...

Ordered a beer and the Aussie barman asked me where I was from, I said New Zealand and added the acronym 'Keen Individual With Integrity'

KIWI.

He paused , served another customer then poured my beer and said sounds like a mistake there mate, I'd call you a Keen individual without intelligence judging by the way the All Blacks have been getting on lately.

Good bloke, didn't charge me for the beer.

Didn't the ABs win the world cup in 1987?

[Akzle]

Didn't the ABs win the world cup in 1987?

the "without intelligence" part at least was rather apt.


...for a fucken strayan.

[Akzle]

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never quite describe the pain.

let me tune my fucking violin...

People are cunts. Your choices are pretty much limited to: accept it; deal with it; or kill yourself.

Anyone who defines themself by someone elses opinion of them is an evolutionary anomaly. (and should die) and, no doubt, a fucken boring cunt. Who started this thread again??

[ellipsis]

...de-evolution means that at some point some we will end up an algal bloom it seems...it has been prophesized that with the addition of a couple of vowels and a couple of consonants, the 'meerkats', will inherit the earth...luckily we probably share a paranoic state of attention to the world, so therefore the basic tenet of humanity is forwarded in the genetic evolution...maybe when we revisit in some other eon we will be doomed to repeat our fuckups...

[Akzle]

...de-evolution means that at some point some we will end up an algal bloom it seems...it has been prophesized that with the addition of a couple of vowels and a couple of consonants, the 'meerkats', will inherit the earth...luckily we probably share a paranoic state of attention to the world, so therefore the basic tenet of humanity is forwarded in the genetic evolution...maybe when we revisit in some other eon we will be doomed to repeat our fuckups...

like humans are yet the pinnacle of evolution...
We revisit??

[Big Dog]

If you think they're being derogatory, replying in kind makes you no better.

Race never entered into it.
Maybe that is the difference? I didn't intend to offend anyone or be derogatory, only offer a descriptor.

Just as when I use the term faka-palangi (speaking in Tongan) I am being respectful and describing things, tradition and language in English.

A couple of years ago we trimmed some dangerous branches, cut what we could into firewood and put it out by the roadside with a "free" sign.
As they were collecting the last load we got "fuck you palangi! Sieg heil!"
I may be wrong but i think they intended to cause offence.

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[ellipsis]

like humans are yet the pinnacle of evolution...
We revisit??

..the supreme being dictates what transpires...whether that being is of three elephant heads or of the nailed type, humans need Disneyland...it's in our 'wantbox'...irrespective...paranoic delusions or denial are the common denominator to our passage...

[F5 Dave]

You get 4th+++ generat Americans and Australians calling themselves Greek, Italian or what have you, so technically in the minds of many you are neither a Kiwi nor New Zealander :bleh:

Doesn't bother me either way personally. Still better than being called Bruce.
Or maybe Daniel. Why do parents do that to their kids?

[Akzle]

As they were collecting the last load we got "fuck you palangi! Sieg heil!"
I may be wrong but i think they intended to cause offence.


-or- someone has a firm grasp of irony.

[Voltaire]

When non Americans say" Buddy"........I find that mildly irritating or worse "Bud":innocent:

[Akzle]

When non Americans say" Buddy"........I find that mildly irritating or worse "Bud":innocent:

aaaaawwwwwwww mmmmaaaaaaaattteeeee

[russd7]

Nor pigs...?

no, but pigs were introduced very early in modern European settlement

[Akzle]

no, but pigs were introduced very early in modern European settlement

... So were europeans :facepalm:

[russd7]

yup and this is goin round in circles

[Akzle]

yup and this is goin round in circles

why can't i vote for the pigs?

[Katman]

why can't i vote for the pigs?

Fuck the pigs.

[Madness]

Fuck the pigs.

If you don't, Ethan will.

[mr bucketracer]

rather be a kiwi than a silver fern:laugh:

[F5 Dave]

So, when was bacon invented?

[mashman]

So, when was bacon invented?

First time someone tried to start a fire by rubbing two of them together.

[russd7]

So, when was bacon invented?

about the roman era, pre 1600's

[granstar]

Yup 1537 to be precise http://public.media.smithsonianmag.com/legacy_blog/Sea-Swine-56.jpg

Medieval times the raiders ran pigs under castles and set fire to them so to evict or eradicate the occupants- nice. As pigs are full of greasy fat they burnt well and so did the castle. They stopped the practice of doing this when they realised the aroma coming from them was delicious smelling, and being soldiers of war needed a good feed.

The castles located near the sea coasts made the pigs a lot saltier than usual and along with the timber of the day used in castle building ( hickory, Manuka, etc) when burning, those flavours imparted and combined and wahla! ...BACON :corn:Hence a lot of castles have survived that fate, oh well truth and a good story. :wari:

So from here on, it is not round in circles at all, but completely off topic :violin:

[TheDemonLord]

why can't i vote for the pigs?

Because all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.

[Berries]

So, when was bacon invented?
Be them fucking Jews no doubt whenever it was.

[SuperMac]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/search.php?searchid=11284399

433 threads referring to 'pommie' . . . Doesn't work both ways, then? ;)

[granstar]

Pommie comes from the war Prisoners of Mother England ( the bastard added likely by Germans and owners of British bikes with Lucas electrics), Limey comes from when Brit sailors added lime juice to their daily rum ration to help ward off scurvey and that was called "grog", where as Kiwi has no history of interest...it's just a native bird :woohoo:

[jonbuoy]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/search.php?searchid=11284399

433 threads referring to 'pommie' . . . Doesn't work both ways, then? ;)

You clearly don't know NZ history - the settler POMs were repsonsible for all the negatives in NZ settler history. Modern New Zealanders spontaneously appeared out of thin air and are in no way desendants of any immigrants. :laugh:

[Voltaire]

Be them fucking Jews no doubt whenever it was.

Oh no, they were deemed unfit to eat by the Jews and the Muslims too.

If you could not have bacon a few beers and some bloke hacked the end of your todger off you'd be an angry too

[James Deuce]

let me tune my fucking violin...

People are cunts. Your choices are pretty much limited to: accept it; deal with it; or kill yourself.

Anyone who defines themself by someone elses opinion of them is an evolutionary anomaly. (and should die) and, no doubt, a fucken boring cunt. Who started this thread again??
Err, throwaway surrealism doesn't really require comment...

[Voltaire]

Quote Originally Posted by Akzle View Post
let me tune my fucking violin...

People are cunts. Your choices are pretty much limited to: accept it; deal with it; or kill yourself.

Anyone who defines themself by someone elses opinion of them is an evolutionary anomaly. (and should die) and, no doubt, a fucken boring cunt. Who started this thread again??


If it wasn't for threads like this you would have nothing to do :laugh:

Its not like you can go for a motorcycle ride is it :msn-wink:

[Tazz]

no, but pigs were introduced very early in modern European settlement

Chicken, egg?
Pakeha, pig?
42?

These are the big questions.

Out of all my Maori friends I can't think of one that would rather try insult someone with the subtlety that is implied by believing Pakeha is an insult than just straight up to your face tell you exactly what they think of you, negative or otherwise.

[Oscar]

Yup 1537 to be precise http://public.media.smithsonianmag.com/legacy_blog/Sea-Swine-56.jpg



Step away from the bong.

That is the mythical Sea Swine, a creature reported by sailors hundreds of years ago.

The Romans had a type of bacon called petaso 2000 years ago.

[granstar]

Kiwi's eat a diet of small invertebrates, seeds, grubs, and many varieties of worms.

So it must be a New Zealander that does this for brekkie http://i.imgur.com/kC5bguR.jpg

So where is Old Zealand anyway?

[Voltaire]

So where is Old Zealand anyway?

Holland, rather nice area from memory...Mittlelsburg I think.:niceone:

May have been where Abel Tasman came from?

Googlespert will be along soon to tell us.

[TheDemonLord]

Holland, rather nice area from memory...Mittlelsburg I think.:niceone:

May have been where Abel Tasman came from?

Googlespert will be along soon to tell us.

Zealand (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeeland)

(a while I was curious about if there was a New Zealand, where the original Zealand was - cause at that point, I'd never heard of it!)

[sidecar bob]

Zealand (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeeland)

(a while I was curious about if there was a New Zealand, where the original Zealand was - cause at that point, I'd never heard of it!)

When I was a kid dad often referred to Zealand, pronounced zayland when telling stories of Holland, where he was born.
I never made the connection until much later.

[Stylo]

When I was a kid dad often referred to Zealand, pronounced zayland when telling stories of Holland, where he was born.
I never made the connection until much later.

I heard from some time ago that the explorer, Tasman, referred to it in his travels as 'the new land from from the sea' or 'New Sea land'

Tell me I'm wrong ..... I probably am ...

Need some clarification here

[sidecar bob]

I heard from some time ago that the explorer, Tasman, referred to it in his travels as 'the new land from from the sea' or 'New Sea land'

Tell me I'm wrong ..... I probably am ...

Need some clarification here

That would have made it Nieuw zee land, plausible I guess.
The Dutch location is called Zeeland, not Zealand, so I spelt it wrong earlier, not sure how we arrived at the zea version of the spelling.

[Grumph]

That would have made it Nieuw zee land, plausible I guess.
The Dutch location is called Zeeland, not Zealand, so I spelt it wrong earlier, not sure how we arrived at the zea version of the spelling.

Just the poms version of it - if the frogs had got the flag up an hour or two earlier, it would probably still be Seeland...

[Voltaire]

I think he popped over to Aussie and gave it an equally imaginative name of New Holland, wasn't New York called New Amsterdam....they sure liked Newing things.

So boils down to do we like being called after a fat chook like bird that can't fly or a place named after where some Dutch Explorer probably had a shag once.:laugh:

[nodrog]

The really important question is, why the fuck is there a Maori name for computer?

The natives weren't exactly going down to Hori Normans and ticking up laptops back in the day. And considering the computer was invented well after New Zealand was colonised, surely the Maori word for computer should be computer.

Or can you just make up a native language as you feel like it?

[Oakie]

The really important question is, why the fuck is there a Maori name for computer?

Te tapitapi?

[F5 Dave]

Ahh ya kafellapop.

OK the making up bit seems convenient. Or grassygrassy myshikavitss.

[Stylo]

Ahh ya kafellapop.

OK the making up bit seems convenient. Or grassygrassy myshikavitss.

Exactly .......

[Voltaire]

The really important question is, why the fuck is there a Maori name for computer?

The natives weren't exactly going down to Hori Normans and ticking up laptops back in the day. And considering the computer was invented well after New Zealand was colonised, surely the Maori word for computer should be computer.

Or can you just make up a native language as you feel like it?

Why are there English words for stuff that happened before English was bodged together from a mix of Froggie, kraut and Viking?

[TheDemonLord]

The really important question is, why the fuck is there a Maori name for computer?

The natives weren't exactly going down to Hori Normans and ticking up laptops back in the day. And considering the computer was invented well after New Zealand was colonised, surely the Maori word for computer should be computer.

Or can you just make up a native language as you feel like it?

I dunno - it worked for the Klingons....

[nodrog]

Why are there English words for stuff that happened before English was bodged together from a mix of Froggie, kraut and Viking?

I think the answer has something to do with that before word you used.

[pete376403]

The really important question is, why the fuck is there a Maori name for computer?

The natives weren't exactly going down to Hori Normans and ticking up laptops back in the day. And considering the computer was invented well after New Zealand was colonised, surely the Maori word for computer should be computer.

Or can you just make up a native language as you feel like it?

They can - and we non-maori have to be really careful about pronouncing these recently made-up words correctly lest we give grievous insult to their culture.

[Tazz]

The really important question is, why the fuck is there a Maori name for computer?

What about the French name for computer, or German, or Japanese, hell was it even an Engrish word/invention to start with?

That's some pretty fucked up logic man :scratch:

[Tazz]

They can - and we non-maori have to be really careful about pronouncing these recently made-up words correctly lest we give grievous insult to their culture.

Do you speak more than one language?

[mashman]

"According to David R. Wilton, management consultant and amateur etymologist, the origin and evolution of the word computer is rather straightforward. Computer derives directly from the Latin computus and computare. Both Latin words mean the same as the English verb compute: to determine by mathematical means."

[Tazz]

"According to David R. Wilton, management consultant and amateur etymologist, the origin and evolution of the word computer is rather straightforward. Computer derives directly from the Latin computus and computare. Both Latin words mean the same as the English verb compute: to determine by mathematical means."

So English stole yet another Latin word and changed it just enough to avoid copyright infringements. Typical.

[Akzle]

I heard from some time ago that the explorer, Tasman, referred to it in his travels as 'the new land from from the sea' or 'New Sea land'

Tell me I'm wrong ..... I probably am ...

Need some clarification here

zea land. New land. Latin and shit.

[Oakie]

What about the French name for computer, or German, or Japanese, hell was it even an Engrish word/invention to start with?
:

The Electrical Numerator Integrator and Calculator (ENIAC) circa 1946 in USA
There was Mr Babbidge's device too but it was mechanical. ENIAC had no moving parts.

[Akzle]

The Electrical Numerator Integrator and Calculator (ENIAC) circa 1946 in USA
There was Mr Babbidge's device too but it was mechanical. ENIAC had no moving parts.

babbage's (french, irc, for those counting) was still a computational machine, or differential engine. Cant remember.
I want a pie.

[nodrog]

What about the French name for computer, or German, or Japanese, hell was it even an Engrish word/invention to start with?

That's some pretty fucked up logic man :scratch:

exactly.

but how come the English word for overcooked food that tastes like dirt has to be Hangi?

[Tazz]

exactly.

but how come the English word for overcooked food that tastes like dirt has to be Hangi?

Because no one has taken the time to grab some modified Latin word to use instead :laugh:

I hear ya though. Gotta cringe every time a bunch of leftover shit from the fridge is thrown on dough and we're forced to call it pizza, or any time you put something between two buns it's a hamburger (or prison sentence. Mind the tacos too), then there's those kebabs. And that sushi shit, poor mans food wrapped in poorer mans food with just enough of something else in the middle to say there's a filling. It's out of control.


https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTQe2okmBE3_axNzpVMgK0FsngG6ePmd SFFc02Q_LulVsFPGZBh

[Oscar]

Turing Machine.

[Tazz]

babbage's (french, irc, for those counting) was still a computational machine, or differential engine. Cant remember.
I want a pie.

And the abacus, which was probably Chinese.

[Akzle]

And the abacus, which was probably Chinese.
i cant eat an abacus

Turing Machine.
if
!!=true
do if

Because no one has taken the time to grab some modified Latin word to use instead :laugh:

I hear ya though. Gotta cringe every time a bunch of leftover shit from the fridge is thrown on dough and we're forced to call it pizza, or any time you put something between two buns it's a hamburger (or prison sentence. Mind the tacos too), then there's those kebabs. And that sushi shit, poor mans food wrapped in poorer mans food with just enough of something else in the middle to say there's a filling. It's out of control.


"Must Spread..."

@nodrog, O snap, you fuken racist cunt.

[mashman]

So English stole yet another Latin word and changed it just enough to avoid copyright infringements. Typical.

Yeah, but it's learned behaviour as they were just following the crowd. I mean, where did the Latins get their language from? Smoke and mirrors Bruce, smoke and mirrors.

[Ocean1]

I mean, where did the Latins get their language from? Smoke and mirrors Bruce, smoke and mirrors.

The wops stole your language too?

Fuck me, is there no end to the conspiracy?

[mashman]

The wops stole your language too?

Fuck me, is there no end to the conspiracy?

It's all Greek to me.

No, and no... but there was a beginning.

[James Deuce]

And today's proverb is: You can lead a horse to water. You can lead a horse into the water. You can swim around and have fun with the horse.

[Banditbandit]

zea land. New land. Latin and shit.

Zeeland - province in the Netherlands where Abel Tasman came from)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeeland

[Akzle]

Zeeland - province in the Netherlands where Abel Tasman came from)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeeland

zealand, a danish island where danish people come from.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zealand

(whats your point)

[oldrider]

Our history is fact - good or bad it's our history - it's who and what we are - I like it and will defend it - those who don't like can fuck off! - :bye:

Historically I identify as a New Zealander - if Maori want to refer to me as Pakeha s'OK with me as I use that term to describe myself when appropriate! :niceone:

[Banditbandit]

zealand, a danish island where danish people come from.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zealand

(whats your point)

Sonmeone asked where the name comes from .. it has no link to the Danish Island - but certainly to the Netherlands, thro' Abel Tasman ..

This one ...


I heard from some time ago that the explorer, Tasman, referred to it in his travels as 'the new land from from the sea' or 'New Sea land'

Tell me I'm wrong ..... I probably am ...

Need some clarification here

And it wasn't Tasman that named it ..


Abel Tasman called the land he had discovered Staten Landt, believing it might be linked to a Staten Landt close to Cape Horn, discovered in 1616 by another Dutch navigator, Jacob Le Maire. In 1643, Hendrik Brouwer showed that Le Maire’s Staten Landt was a small island, and not the eastern edge of an undiscovered continent. Subsequently, Joan Blaeu, official Dutch cartographer to the Dutch East India Company, conferred the name Nieuw Zeeland (Nova Zeelandia in Latin) on the land Tasman had discovered. Zeeland was one of two maritime provinces in the Netherlands; Australia was already known to the Dutch as New Holland. ‘Nieuw Zeeland’ stuck.

http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/european-discovery-of-new-zealand/page-3

[granstar]

That would have made it Nieuw zee land, plausible I guess.
The Dutch location is called Zeeland, not Zealand, so I spelt it wrong earlier, not sure how we arrived at the zea version of the spelling.

I knew that ( my wife is Dutch descent and we have visited there) I was being pha...pheh...phuceec...faceesiou...facetious

And so there is another how of why things changed (Zeeland to Zealand). A lot of immigrants were illiterate, couldn't read or write, signed their name with an X, like me can't spell for shit ( but my excuse is valid, went to Gore High).

Things were written down by those that could (usually officials) and often it was as they were sounded. My great grandfather as a young immigrant had a court attendance when a voting election his name was mispelt and they later tried to convict him of double voting, turned out he was innocent and incidences were found of votes being rigged came out of the case when it was investigated :facepalm: He never trusted any officials for the rest of his long life after that.

Another reason was entering a new country people were leaving the old behind and a name change ( especially convicts- Aussie), or like my family arriving from Northern Ireland into protestant societies in this new land a name or alteration occured to sound a bit more Scottish. Our name changed from ending in vey to vie. We discovered this after a lot of research recently trying to piece together where out family hailed from (if it helps anyone there) and got records back to 1740 despite many lost due to a large fire where they were kept in Ireland.

Must say in hindsight "New Zealander ingenuity" isn't as cool sounding as "Kiwi ingenuity". :nya:

[400sm]

Too often I'm watching, hearing or reading from the media that a 'Kiwi' has been involved in some sort of issue meaning a person from New Zealand. The adjective version ' He did it the Kiwi way !' implies to me that he must be blind and stupid.

Seems very prevalent and more so these days, 'Be proud you're a Kiwi !'

I was born here and resent being called a 'Kiwi' . Seems no other country in the refers to it's people after an animal, excepting on the sports arena of course. Wallaby's, Puma's etc. That's cool, no worries.

The Kiwi is possibly the most stupid avian species in the world, good for nothing excepting it's still survived. Cant see, can't fly and only good for grub hunting on the forest floor in the middle of the night. Useless.

Don't call me a Kiwi.

I'm a New Zealander.


I think you have a valid point.
A Kiwi is a New Zealander.
I am a New Zealander, but not a "Kiwi".

To me, a "Kiwi" is a NZer who worships rugby, racing and beer.
I don't.

[Swoop]

I think the last time I was offended was when my MIL called me a common tradesman.:laugh:
Hopefully she laughs when you present her a bill for "whatever" practical work requires doing around her house...
Use the *special* rate applied to white collar workers or snobs... (refer to the plumber's charge-out method for this)


Chicken, egg?

These are the big questions.
Egg.


@nodrog, O snap
Since when did this thread turn into an AutoCAD session?




As for Kiwi Vs New Zealander, just see what happens when you write the wrong one into your passport application...

[granstar]

So we keep the New Zealand flag that does not represent New Zealanders :msn-wink:, what about a money change https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/13015329_1160900863950271_7002780059145675634_n.jp g?oh=78de6d48c0aa91169150f3e716e405bd&oe=57B99041&__gda__=1467132433_bdf8f8cb687c1f496c639bda54af9ca e

[Madness]

...what about a money change?

Seems appropriate considering the standard price for a tinny has remained at $20 for several decades now.

[Akzle]

So we keep the New Zealand flag that does not represent New Zealanders

havent worked out democracy yet huh?

[mashman]

what about a money change

Bowie-emblazoned Brixton pound gets world-first cash machine (https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/bowie-emblazoned-brixton-pound-gets-world-first-cash-machine-131445192.html)... you could get the NZ franchise... however it'll be worthless in a few years :D

[puddytat]

When does a Kiwi or a Nz'er become Tangata whenua.....?
Is it a generational thing or whoever got here first.
I'm 5th generation & I feel I should also be able to say I'm Tangata whenua...I certainly feel like it....

[Akzle]

When does a Kiwi or a Nz'er become Tangata whenua.....?
Is it a generational thing or whoever got here first.
I'm 5th generation & I feel I should also be able to say I'm Tangata whenua...I certainly feel like it....

are you of the land?

[puddytat]

I am of this land, I am of this water, I am of this air....I am made of 100% Aotearoa. Its mauri flows in my veins.

[granstar]

A snippet for thought https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aYW4ac0oYc

[Akzle]

I am of this land, I am of this water, I am of this air....I am made of 100% Aotearoa. Its mauri flows in my veins.

then id say you qualify. By definition.

[Runty]

You say "Tomato" - I say "Who gives a shit!"

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[oldrider]

Kiwi future? - caught in the crossfire of an Auckland intersection? - Holy cow! - https://gfycat.com/FaroffCraftyHare