Scooter Survival

[rastuscat]

Interesting that it's so hard to get folk who ride scooters along on a heavily subsidised training course.

Scooter Survival is basically paid for by ACC. I'm running one today in Christchurch. With only two attendees, who are brothers, and their mum has enrolled them.

Given the risks, I would have thought that a virtually free course would be a good idea.

Maybe it's the It-Wont-Happen-To-Me attitude so prevalent in our society. Like "I don't wear ATGATT as I've been riding for years and I've never come off."

Thoughts?

[Akzle]

Thoughts?

lately: the relative merits of wool vs possum socks and if they're really worth the cost. I know they say your shoes describe your personality, but does that extend to socks when you take your shoes off? And what if i'm working bare foot?

[rastuscat]

Funny. I posted the OP while at a cafe on the way to the venue.

I left the cafe and it was only a short distance to the venue. I went past an ambulance and a cop car attending a ute-v-scooter.

Now I'm waiting at the venue hoping it wasn't someone on the way to my course.

[nzspokes]

Interesting that it's so hard to get folk who ride scooters along on a heavily subsidised training course.

Scooter Survival is basically paid for by ACC. I'm running one today in Christchurch. With only two attendees, who are brothers, and their mum has enrolled them.

Given the risks, I would have thought that a virtually free course would be a good idea.

Maybe it's the It-Wont-Happen-To-Me attitude so prevalent in our society. Like "I don't wear ATGATT as I've been riding for years and I've never come off."

Thoughts?

Well Durrrr, it just transport to them. They dont give a monkeys as long as they make it to school, work etc.

Its not like you ride a scooter for a hobby.

How many of your motorcycle customers only commute?

[jellywrestler]

Funny. I posted the OP while at a cafe on the way to the venue.

I left the cafe and it was only a short distance to the venue. I went past an ambulance and a cop car attending a ute-v-scooter.

Now I'm waiting at the venue hoping it wasn't someone on the way to my course.

did the ute have two scooters in the back?

[James Deuce]

Scooters are viewed as innocuous. Cheap, and cheerful, and not much different to a bicycle. The reality is a bit different.

[neels]

A reasonable number of scooterists are people who require independent transport, and an easy way to get this is to pass a car learners theory test, buy the cheapest scooter you can find and away you go.

The fact that there is no requirement to demonstrate any motorcycling ability, there is no WOF requirement for scooters, and there is a general perception that it's ok to ride a scooter in a cycle lane is just scary.

The fact that it's born from necessity or convenience is the reason why there is no will to seek improvement.

[5ive]

Natural selection.

The only time I'll ever ride a scooter, is when the motorbike is in the workshop, and all of the loan bikes are out.

When I do, I'm not going far, but I still keep all of my gear on. Not just the full face helmet. Other scooter riders, and the general public, tend to look at me like I'm an idiot when I'm stopped at the lights.

The joke is on them though, I don't have to ride the scooter every day.

[Moi]

Interesting that it's so hard to get folk who ride scooters along on a heavily subsidised training course...
Thoughts?

You can lead a horse to water... However, could bike and scooter retailers be encouraged to support the first steps in this programme? Either the scooter course or the bronze course - "Here mate, you've bought a scooter/bike from us. If you do this course and bring this voucher back signed by the instructor we'll refund your course fee." May encourage the new rider [or returning rider] to return and avail themselves of the shop's service centre, gear sales etc. If you sell a scooter/bike to someone who has an "off", how likely is that rider to continue to be a rider rather than throw riding away, perhaps due to familial pressure: "It's so dangerous!", and so they never come back for servicing of scooter/bike or buying gear?


...Now I'm waiting at the venue hoping it wasn't someone on the way to my course.

I hope you had 100% attendance...


Scooters are viewed as innocuous. Cheap, and cheerful, and not much different to bicycle. The reality is a bit different.

Scooters innocuous? - as in 50cc mopeds or 250cc European style scooters - include the bigger engined Asian ones as well...

True being cheap and cheerful for the 50cc, however talk to someone who has had a serious off on a bicycle or seen the results of a serious off...


A reasonable number of scooterists are people who require independent transport, and an easy way to get this is to pass a car learners theory test, buy the cheapest scooter you can find and away you go.

I'd question if someone on a 50cc moped is a scooterist - they are a moped rider. Yes, I'm biased as one of my PTWs is a 400cc scooter


The fact that there is no requirement to demonstrate any motorcycling ability, there is no WOF requirement for scooters, and there is a general perception that it's ok to ride a scooter in a cycle lane is just scary. The fact that it's born from necessity or convenience is the reason why there is no will to seek improvement.

A good reason to change the licencing structure?

[Banditbandit]

Thoughts?


FFS .. this is kiwibiker !!!!

[skippa1]

Funny. I posted the OP while at a cafe on the way to the venue.

I left the cafe and it was only a short distance to the venue. I went past an ambulance and a cop car attending a ute-v-scooter.

Now I'm waiting at the venue hoping it wasn't someone on the way to my course.
Shit yes, that is funny, hilarious

[Akzle]

I went past an ambulance and a cop car attending a ute-v-scooter.

well i'm sure glad the cop car turned up, else an infringement may have gone un noticed...

[rastuscat]

Shit yes, that is funny, hilarious

Bad choice of words, for sure. There's not much funny about a bin from a bike.

Unless it's on You Tube, and we all watch, sit back and laugh.

[caseye]

Bad choice of words, for sure. There's not much funny about a bin from a bike.

Unless it's on You Tube, and we all watch, sit back and laugh.



Soooooooooooooo, did you get your quota, you know TWO of em for the course?
Generally I think the others have covered the why not aspect, though the shop receiving a signed it's done voucher giving a discount etc is a bloody good idea.

[EJK]

I remember someone saying to me scooters are wayyy safer because they are not fast like sports bikes (which obviously crashes all the time!), light and nimble to handle :weird:

[Akzle]

I remember someone saying to me scooters are wayyy safer because they are not fast like sports bikes (which obviously crashes all the time!), light and nimble to handle

Ideally yes but after having ridden a few mopeds, I'd rather ride my 190+ hp bike which has awesome brakes and sticky road/ sport tyres, also with ABS.

yeah... but i gather your a azn...

[bogan]

Its possibly safer for them to ride in the cycle lane because the 50cc ones barelyhavetheabilitytokeepupwiththetrafficflow
When I owned one I bought an 80cc one as I felt it was safer tobeabletokeepupwiththetrafficflow.


Rising inflections added to reflect ambiguity. You're welcome.

[rastuscat]

Update

Both my dudes turned up. Twins, as it happens. Great 4 hours out, I think they benefitted.

For the record, I get most of the things folk have said. The attraction of scooters is what defeats their users coming on courses. People get a scooter coz they are cheap, easy and convenient. Hardly a recipe for a safety mentality.

I am outside the standard user, I guess. I live in a flat town, and I have an Adly Silver Fox as a run around scooter. I love riding it. In terms of fun., it's great. When I ride it, I don't suit up like I do on the "real" bike, but I go with a No-Skin-Under-The-Chin policy.

Cheers for the thoughts, I like debate. And donuts. Still.

[Moi]

Great that your class were all there.

When you say "scooter" - do you mean moped as described in LA and LB or do you mean scooter as described as motorcycle in classes LC, LD and LE? [see here for details (http://nzta.govt.nz/vehicles/vehicle-types/vehicle-classes-and-standards/vehicle-classes/#LA)]?

Perhaps a rethink is required about the licence required to ride a moped. May be this might raise people's awareness of the skills required to ride any sort of PTW.

[AllanB]

Scooters are viewed as innocuous. Cheap, and cheerful, and not much different to bicycle. The reality is a bit different.

Agree %. i see way too many ladies cruising around on them with no protection gear other then the helmet. Indeed over the years I have helped pick up three riders and scooters when they all lost the front end braking on a white line and had no idea how they had ruined their expensive tights and heels.

Having said the above. Is there anything sexier on two wheels?

[Moi]

Economico e allegro...

http://imgc.allpostersimages.com/images/P-473-488-90/30/3075/E2VDF00Z/posters/dmitri-kessel-man-and-woman-riding-a-vespa-scooter.jpg

:yes:

[nerrrd]

From my extensive anecdotal experience in the Dominion Rd bus lane (from about a third of the way down), dudes on scooters wear normal clothes and will pull every kind of dodgy manoeuvre they can so that they never have to stop - if they do have to stop they'll do the same just to get to the front of the queue, whether that queue consists of buses, motorcyclists, cyclists, or other scooters. The ladies at least might run to wearing a long sleeve jacket, and usually look like they at least think for a moment or two before pulling a dodgy manoeuvre.

In my awesome opinion, if either had to suit up and ride responsibly, they'd be catching the bus. Or you know, if it was raining.

[Big Dog]

Its possibly safer for them to ride in the cycle lane because the 50cc ones barely have the ability to keep up with the traffic flow. When I owned one I bought an 80cc one as I felt it was safer to be able to keep up with the traffic flow.
So you felt the pressure to keep up was so warranted as to buy another vehicle?

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[Big Dog]

Economico e allegro...

:yes:
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRE4MCd9fe88MMjT6P0JAIoT6zZEIljI yd-m9U1eMQVQE85r1AwnA

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[5ive]

So you felt the pressure to keep up was so warranted as to buy another vehicle?


https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/60245598.jpg

[5ive]

This must be trolling. No one can be this stupid...

[Moi]

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRE4MCd9fe88MMjT6P0JAIoT6zZEIljI yd-m9U1eMQVQE85r1AwnA

Non è economico e allegro, ma costoso e misterioso ... :cool:

[Fernet Dan]

Problem that I see is as long as there people buying cheap Chinese scooters from lawn mower stores and knowing dick about preflight checks i.e. Tired tyres and broken indicators you will never get people along to survival courses.

I have 8 Vespas and it gives me nightmares when you see some of these bikes and the kids riding them wearing skateboarding helmets.

So how do you get them along? Make it compulsory if you want to buy a scooter or a bike

[nzspokes]

Its possibly safer for them to ride in the cycle lane because the 50cc ones barely have the ability to keep up with the traffic flow. When I owned one I bought an 80cc one as I felt it was safer to be able to keep up with the traffic flow.

So you want scooters in the cycle lanes now. Retard.

[nerrrd]

So you want scooters in the cycle lanes now. Retard.

Retarded perhaps, but they're in them already. As are some motorcycles.

[Moi]

If you have to have a class 6 licence then it is a scooter. If you can ride it on a class 1 licence then it is a moped. That is based on NZTA's classification.

[Moi]

So you want scooters in the cycle lanes now. Retard.

It is common practice in many European cities for mopeds to use cycle lanes, but not for scooters and bikes. It is interesting to see pedal cycles going faster than a moped...

[bogan]

So you want scooters in the cycle lanes now. Retard.

As they should be, but not for safety reasons, that would be retarded.

[James Deuce]

Y

Scooters innocuous? - as in 50cc mopeds or 250cc European style scooters - include the bigger engined Asian ones as well...

True being cheap and cheerful for the 50cc, however talk to someone who has had a serious off on a bicycle or seen the results of a serious off...



I don't understand what point you're trying to make, other than willfully misunderstanding what I said.

[rastuscat]

The big challenge is in the licence system.

A spotty faced kid who has never driven a vehicle, ridden a motorcycle or moped, or even ridden a bicycle, can go into the AA and sit his Class 1 theory. If he passes, he can then go hop on a moped, and ride around in traffic.

Silly system, that.

When he/she is knocked off we all pay for the silly system that let it happen.

I understand the idea of allowing a car driver to ride a moped, but how about it being a full Class 1? At least then the rider has done some driving, and passed a driving test. It doesn't make you a great bike rider, but it's better than today's system.

[AllanB]

Mopeds are slow. Very slow. No faster than a fit bastard hammering his pushbike. So the powers that be most likely presume if you can ride a pushbike you'll be fine on a moped.

I had a Puch moped when I was a teenager - fatted around helmet free until the lid laws came into play. I had hotted it up - home made expansion chamber - skimmed head, jetted carb. Bloody thing fair flew along on the boil - I was flying past cars doing 50 on the inside ..... I was young. :shutup:

[Big Dog]

Non è economico e allegro, ma costoso e misterioso ... :cool:
Vero. Tuttavia, se si ha curve o di pneumatici e si deve chiedere il prezzo non si può permettere.

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[Big Dog]

Mopeds are slow. Very slow. No faster than a fit bastard hammering his pushbike. So the powers that be most likely presume if you can ride a pushbike you'll be fine on a moped.

I had a Puch moped when I was a teenager - fatted around helmet free until the lid laws came into play. I had hotted it up - home made expansion chamber - skimmed head, jetted carb. Bloody thing fair flew along on the boil - I was flying past cars doing 50 on the inside ..... I was young. :shutup:

Many kids these days have never ridden a bicycle as transport.

I can think of a few who have ridden lots of road and you would regard a proficient rider... bit their only experience with traffic is using a crossing.

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[awayatc]

The big challenge is in the licence system.

A spotty faced kid who has never driven a vehicle, ridden a motorcycle or moped, or even ridden a bicycle, can go into the AA and sit his Class 1 theory. If he passes, he can then go hop on a moped, and ride around in traffic.

Silly system, that.

When he/she is knocked off we all pay for the silly system that let it happen.

I understand the idea of allowing a car driver to ride a moped, but how about it being a full Class 1? At least then the rider has done some driving, and passed a driving test. It doesn't make you a great bike rider, but it's better than today's system.


Yes.....would make perfect sense....

also maybe some school based traffic sense lessons.....?

especially now with battery assisted push bikes, petrol engines on pushbikes,

multi thousand $ pushies, $2 scooters, etc.etc

plenty of things on road going fast enough to do damage

[Akzle]

Silly system, that.


-or-
fuck cagers, and everyone without a 6 license has to sit their new "axulated" proficiency licensing tomorow, or have their cars crushed and be flogged with a hosepipe.

Step one: you ride a scooter for 6 months.
Two: you go and pass a test, both of ability and knowledge.
Three: you can now have a car for 6 months.
In that six months you now have to find a horse, a forkhoist, a combine harvester, and a B train, and learn to use them.
Four: you go and demonstrate your competency on the above. Pass= you're allowed on the road.
fail= you get beaten with a hosepipe, have a penis tatooed on your forearm (more penises, the more you fail, this would identify bad drivers at a glance) and are back on a scooter for 6 months.

No age limits.

Also, it's all free, because thats in the interests of everyone.
And the road police get shotguns. And theres no speed limit.
And failing to keep left or give way is punishible by a month in "the hole" (we'll actually dig a hole, i dont just mean hamilton)
and anyone involved in a crach has the hounds set on them, before and after medical treatment.

[Big Dog]

In that six months you now have to find a horse, a forkhoist, a combine harvester, and a B train, and learn to use them.
.

Pretty sure I don't want someone not competent to operate a pushbike or cross the road without lights to try and operate a b train with only 6 months moped time and and another 0-6 months time in a tin top, and I haven't seen a combine harvester on the road in NZ in my 30 + years of enjoying the view from the right wheel track.

[WristTwister]

The big challenge is in the licence system.

A spotty faced kid who has never driven a vehicle, ridden a motorcycle or moped, or even ridden a bicycle, can go into the AA and sit his Class 1 theory. If he passes, he can then go hop on a moped, and ride around in traffic.

Silly system, that.

When he/she is knocked off we all pay for the silly system that let it happen.

I understand the idea of allowing a car driver to ride a moped, but how about it being a full Class 1? At least then the rider has done some driving, and passed a driving test. It doesn't make you a great bike rider, but it's better than today's system.


It's only silly when you think about it. If a motorbike is shaped like a scooter it's easier and safer to ride. Let's look at the SR motard 125 scooter, see it looks like a scooter so it's safe and easy and fun:wings: http://www.euroscooter.co.nz/aprilia/SR-motard125.html

But what's this? a motorbike?:eek5: the ETX 150 http://www.aprilia.net.nz/ETX150.html that's soooo freakin dangerous guys, you need to do a handling course and and and do lots of Competency based training if you're going to go on the road with that ya hooligan!

[Akzle]

Pretty sure I don't want someone not competent to operate a pushbike or cross the road without lights to try and operate a b train with only 6 months moped time and and another 0-6 months time in a tin top, and I haven't seen a combine harvester on the road in NZ in my 30 + years of enjoying the view from the right wheel track.

o ye of little faith.

If theyre shit at road, theyll probably die on a scooter, nullifying the requirement.

[rastuscat]

321222

I have the most fun on the scooter.

Basically it teaches me great lessons in preserving momentum a.k.a. riding smoothly. If you lose momentum, it takes a while to get it back, so you learn to maintain lines that allow for preservation of momentum. It also teaches you not to brake too often, another waste of momentum. I now ride in a manner (have done for years) where I smoothe out the ride and just don't need to brake as much as I did as an impetuous youngster.

All that said, I own my lane, and I don't hold people up. It gets up to 50-mumble quite well.

Bring on the derision. I love my Adly Silver Fox.

[awayatc]

321222

I have the most fun on the scooter.

Basically it teaches me great lessons in preserving momentum a.k.a. riding smoothly. If you lose momentum, it takes a while to get it back,

Easiest way to improve scooters acceleration?

Lose weight......

true.


Fwiw....i got taught how to drive/ride by an extremely uncompromising militairy instructor.....
Do Not use your brakes......if you did you didn't plan/look ahead and got a terrible bollocking.
still serves me well today:yes:

[russd7]

321222

I have the most fun on the scooter.

Basically it teaches me great lessons in preserving momentum a.k.a. riding smoothly. If you lose momentum, it takes a while to get it back, so you learn to maintain lines that allow for preservation of momentum. It also teaches you not to brake too often, another waste of momentum. I now ride in a manner (have done for years) where I smoothe out the ride and just don't need to brake as much as I did as an impetuous youngster.

All that said, I own my lane, and I don't hold people up. It gets up to 50-mumble quite well.

Bring on the derision. I love my Adly Silver Fox.

chuck some pit bike tyres on it and they are a shit load of fun off road as well, tho the plastic doesn't last long but that just reduces weight.
they do not work well as submarines tho :nono:

[Hobbyhorse]

I have a 1988 Vespa 50S and a Chihuahua ... but I do not let on to my biker mates about either of them.

[rastuscat]

To be fair I sometimes worry about my manliness.

I have that scooter, and two Maltese.

[Moi]

I have a 1988 Vespa 50S and a Chihuahua ... but I do not let on to my biker mates about either of them.


To be fair I sometimes worry about my manliness.

I have that scooter, and two Maltese.

Greg didn't seem to mind...

http://im.rediff.com/getahead/2012/feb/27sd-vespa-scooters-2.jpg

[caseye]

I have a 1988 Vespa 50S and a Chihuahua ... but I do not let on to my biker mates about either of them.

An you just know we will! Mercilessly. Nothing wrong with scooters that a bigger engine and wheels doesn't fix!
A Chi wa wa, NoOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
I'll ride with you anywhere anytime me ol mate.

[Moi]

Nothing wrong with scooters that a bigger engine and wheels doesn't fix!...

What's wrong with 10" wheels and 200cc of unbridled 2T power? :crazy:

[caseye]

What's wrong with 10" wheels and 200cc of unbridled 2T power? :crazy:

Are you for reel?
LOL, sorry mate , couldn't resist, I've ridden em and not fallen off and love riding them around Raro, so hardly a critic, really.
Un Bridled, wots dat mean??? No bra?

[Moi]

... Un Bridled, wots dat mean??? No bra?

https://envisioningtheamericandream.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/ageing-playboy-74c-swscan02012.jpg

I think not! :facepalm:

[rambaldi]

I assume usual road worthy-ness tests apply to scooters? Plenty I see around here where you are lucky to see a mirror let alone two. And the riders certainly wouldn't be using them if they had em.

My wife did one of the Auckland Transport four hour courses a few years ago, I think they developed into the Scooter Survival things. Sounds like she got a bit out of it.

[Moi]

My understanding is that a moped [has an engine cylinder capacity not exceeding 50ml and a maximum speed not exceeding 50km/h - NZTA website ] doesn't need a WoF.

However, a scooter [has an engine cylinder capacity exceeding 50ml, or has a maximum speed exceeding 50km/h - NZTA website] does need a WoF and you need a motorcycle licence to ride it.

I stand to be corrected...

[rambaldi]

My understanding is that a moped [has an engine cylinder capacity not exceeding 50ml and a maximum speed not exceeding 50km/h - NZTA website ] doesn't need a WoF.

However, a scooter [has an engine cylinder capacity exceeding 50ml, or has a maximum speed exceeding 50km/h - NZTA website] does need a WoF and you need a motorcycle licence to ride it.

I stand to be corrected...

Yeah, they don't need a WoF but pretty sure they can't be an un-safe shit heap and still be on the road. Or they can be, they just never get checked.

[Moi]

Yeah, they don't need a WoF but pretty sure they can't be an un-safe shit heap and still be on the road. Or they can be, they just never get checked.

Have a look at this (https://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicles/vehicle-types/motorcycles-and-mopeds/information-for-moped-riders/)... the NZTA requirements for a moped...

Guess your second comment was answered by Rastuscat when he said many police don't know the ins-and-outs of the road regulations.

Number of years ago a moped rider was knocked off their moped by a vehicle turning right. The moped was in the bus lane on Dominion Rd in the morning and the vehicle did the usual vehicle thing - there's a gap, I can go - and hit the moped. At the time there was comment in the local media that both the driver and the moped rider were charged - the driver for failing to give way and the rider for riding in a lane they were not permitted to be in. Never did hear what happened to it all - as usual the media never follows up and finding out what does happen becomes almost impossible.

The bus lane allows for cycles and motorcycles: so, technically, a moped may not be allowed to use a bus lane. The other one that would be interesting to test would be if a Yamaha Tricity can use a bus lane - they are registered as a motorcar.

[rambaldi]

Have a look at this (https://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicles/vehicle-types/motorcycles-and-mopeds/information-for-moped-riders/)... the NZTA requirements for a moped...

Guess your second comment was answered by Rastuscat when he said many police don't know the ins-and-outs of the road regulations.

Number of years ago a moped rider was knocked off their moped by a vehicle turning right. The moped was in the bus lane on Dominion Rd in the morning and the vehicle did the usual vehicle thing - there's a gap, I can go - and hit the moped. At the time there was comment in the local media that both the driver and the moped rider were charged - the driver for failing to give way and the rider for riding in a lane they were not permitted to be in. Never did hear what happened to it all - as usual the media never follows up and finding out what does happen becomes almost impossible.

The bus lane allows for cycles and motorcycles: so, technically, a moped may not be allowed to use a bus lane. The other one that would be interesting to test would be if a Yamaha Tricity can use a bus lane - they are registered as a motorcar.

Thanks for the link, surprised to mirrors are only a requirement if it was manufactured on or after 1 Jan 2000.

[rastuscat]

Just to clarify.

A moped isn't required to have a WoF, but it must be up to WoF standard. In the same way that a bike with a current WoF can still get ticketed for not being up to WoF standard if it's not.

Have a look at this if you are looking for sleep.

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicles/vehicle-types/vehicle-classes-and-standards/vehicle-classes/

[danchop]

scooters rule in suburbia,you can treat the streets as your own personal racetrack.such fun....being not taken seriously means fewer tickets and the chance of a trophy ride far more achieveable

[BMWST?]

A reasonable number of scooterists are people who require independent transport, and an easy way to get this is to pass a car learners theory test, buy the cheapest scooter you can find and away you go.

The fact that there is no requirement to demonstrate any motorcycling ability, there is no WOF requirement for scooters, and there is a general perception that it's ok to ride a scooter in a cycle lane is just scary.

The fact that it's born from necessity or convenience is the reason why there is no will to seek improvement.
dont agree as many of us probably bought our first bike cos they were cheaper than a car

[James Deuce]

dont agree as many of us probably bought our first bike cos they were cheaper than a car

Which century was that?

The buy in to a bike is expensive for what you get, maintenance is expensive, fuel consumption is excessive for the most part given engine capacity and the weight it's moving around, tyres are horrendously expensive, and the ongoing costs of replacing gear are nuts too.

If a first time buyer buys an $8k bike, it's actually a $9.5k bike by the time they've bought some decent riding gear and some minimal luggage. They've probably already been through a bunch of courses to get their license, and then there's the expensive insurance and rego. $9.5k gets you a bloody good car these days that costs a quarter of a bike in rego and insurance.

You can buy a scooter for the same amount of money as it costs to kit up and spend two years killing it. Without basic training or anything other than a helmet, blouse, very short skirt and some pantyhose in an attractive shade. Apparently.

[F5 Dave]

You're colourblind Jim and I think you'd suit more of a burnt orange to browny red in pantyhose.

[WristTwister]

Come on guys, we all know why scooter riders don't do these courses, it's because they don't give a f***. They see scooters as a cheap way to get around - THAT'S IT.

[eldog]

You can buy a scooter for the same amount of money as it costs to kit up and spend two years killing it. Without basic training or anything other than a helmet, blouse, very short skirt and some pantyhose in an attractive shade. Apparently.
Yes. You only have to travel to central akl and watch the scooter brigade go past. They look fantastic. But do they realise the damage to their pretty powdered noses and legs/hands if someone makes a mistake:pinch:

[bbnet]

I was riding behind one in town a while back. There was a light drizzle and the roads were a bit wet. The guy on the scooter was nesting a small cooler and grocery bag between his legs on the floorboard. Followed him for a block or two and noticed that he preferred to ride on the oil lane. Remember thinking he'll soon become a statistic. As we came up to a red light, bam, he washed out his front end and slammed to the ground, unstrapped helmet flying off and groceries being sprawled all over the road. I rode on when light turned green just shakin' my head.

That being said, I have a pal that rides well on his big 650 suzuki scooter, but still can't understand why he doesn't get a 'real' bike?

[Big Dog]

You have so little compassion for your fellow man as to not stop and help when he has fallen yet you look down on him?

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[awayatc]

I was riding behind one in town a while back. There was a light drizzle and the roads were a bit wet. The guy on the scooter was nesting a small cooler and grocery bag between his legs on the floorboard. Followed him for a block or two and noticed that he preferred to ride on the oil lane. Remember thinking he'll soon become a statistic. As we came up to a red light, bam, he washed out his front end and slammed to the ground, unstrapped helmet flying off and groceries being sprawled all over the road. I rode on when light turned green just shakin' my head.

That being said, I have a pal that rides well on his big 650 suzuki scooter, but still can't understand why he doesn't get a 'real' bike?

You sound like a real fuckin wanker.....

karma is a bitch......

[Akzle]

I was riding behind one in town a while back. There was a light drizzle and the roads were a bit wet. The guy on the scooter was nesting a small cooler and grocery bag between his legs on the floorboard. Followed him for a block or two and noticed that he preferred to ride on the oil lane. Remember thinking he'll soon become a statistic. As we came up to a red light, bam, he washed out his front end and slammed to the ground, unstrapped helmet flying off and groceries being sprawled all over the road. I rode on when light turned green just shakin' my head.

That being said, I have a pal that rides well on his big 650 suzuki scooter, but still can't understand why he doesn't get a 'real' bike?

auu. Wot a dikk, au.

[rastuscat]

Running an Urban Commuter course in Dunedin today.

Three people enrolled, two have cancelled.

Guy 3 has lucked out. $20 for 4 hours of one-on-one instruction.

He's on a Ninja, looking forward to it.

Transiting back home later today. Looking forward to that too.