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Driftmonkey
3rd May 2016, 15:58
Riding along on motorway, 5th gear, indicate right to pass, start giving it some throttle, slips out of 5th, locks up rear wheel and makes loud noises until the bike died by itself. Pushed it to side of motorway, couldn't push it forward, even with clutch in, gave me false neutrals. Managed to find second gear and rode it along the side of motorway for a minute and it locked up the rear wheel. I've pulled it apart and have given the detent arm and spring a look (both in good condition), clutch packs (within spec), which leaves me thinking the worst... 5th gears floating around in the gearbox...?
I've managed to get it to select each gear fine sucessfully without failing but when i try shift to 5th it just doesn't find anything there, won't let me up past 5th into 6th either.
Haven't ridden it since it did this on the motorway, don't plan on riding it until it's 100% sorted... Am I right in thinking its the 5th gear that's gone walk abouts or could it be something else? Cheers.
Driftmonkey
3rd May 2016, 15:59
1998 TL1000R, 66,000kms, new oil & filter, 10w40, no metal in the oil when I dropped it.
Crasherfromwayback
3rd May 2016, 16:35
1998 TL1000R, 66,000kms, new oil & filter, 10w40, no metal in the oil when I dropped it.
Has the bike been down on the left side? If so, and the shift shaft takes a big knock, can fuck the shift forks.
Driftmonkey
3rd May 2016, 16:53
Has the bike been down on the left side? If so, and the shift shaft takes a big knock, can fuck the shift forks.
It's got grazes so I'd imagine it has been lowsided at some point. That's still a case of dropping engine, splitting and repairing isn't it?
Crasherfromwayback
3rd May 2016, 17:42
It's got grazes so I'd imagine it has been lowsided at some point. That's still a case of dropping engine, splitting and repairing isn't it?
Sure is. But that shouldn't lock the wheel though...so am wondering just what's going on. Especially as no metallic bits came out in the oil...
Grumph
3rd May 2016, 19:54
Possibly a broken layshaft. if the bits aligned and were held in alignment by a gear you may have been able to move in 2nd as you did.
As soon as they move out of alignment, no selection...
It's pull out and strip whichever way it's gone.
Driftmonkey
3rd May 2016, 20:16
Was hoping for "no no, just tap it with a hammer and she's okay!"
Oh well... I'm in no position to be fixing it at the moment as I've got too much on my plate.. Have also heard that you need to rebuild both engine and gearbox as they're vertically split. Anyone want a cheap TL1000R? :violin::violin::crybaby:
nodrog
3rd May 2016, 20:55
Was hoping for "no no, just tap it with a hammer and she's okay!"
Oh well... I'm in no position to be fixing it at the moment as I've got too much on my plate.. Have also heard that you need to rebuild both engine and gearbox as they're vertically split. Anyone want a cheap TL1000R? :violin::violin::crybaby:
I'll give you $500
Driftmonkey
3rd May 2016, 20:58
I'll give you $500
x5 and I'd be happy.. new tires, pads, wof, reg, etc etc. :brick:
Big Dog
3rd May 2016, 21:38
x5 and I'd be happy.. new tires, pads, wof, reg, etc etc. :brick:
Not new any more of they were fitted before you lost 5 th.
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Big Dog
3rd May 2016, 21:39
Trouble with "I'll get around to it one day" bikes is you seldom do.
If you do you find leaving it parked has rooted things you wouldn't consider.
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skippa1
3rd May 2016, 21:51
Riding along on motorway, 5th gear, indicate right to pass, start giving it some throttle, slips out of 5th, locks up rear wheel .
x5 and I'd be happy.. new tires, :brick:
Might have a flat spot on the rear one
Driftmonkey
3rd May 2016, 21:54
Trouble with "I'll get around to it one day" bikes is you seldom do.
If you do you find leaving it parked has rooted things you wouldn't consider.
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My sanity? :weird:
Yep, it's just going to be sold as is. Hopefully someone who has more time, money and space than I do picks it up and brings it back up to scratch. :sleep:
If the wheel locked up it might very well be shift fork related (initially)
It can be hard to pinpoint if the bike has the engine side covers installed, removing the clutch side inner disturbs the water pump seal which can lead to other drama's.
With the cover off there are windows in the engine case that would allow you to look into the sump.
If you haven't already the rear wheel could be elevated so the transmission can be rotated by the wheel, the clutch plates would most likely need removal to isolate the clutch hub drive gear from the crankshaft drive gear.
With that you could rotate and select gears either way via the wheel or clutch input shaft.
That might also identify any noises in neutral.
A pity I have a few complete low mileage TL1000R clusters, selector forks,drums etc but they are in my (ALK) lock up with my two TL1000S's.
The selector mechanism is in the area of the front sprocket, the return spring can break but you would feel that at the shift lever.
It would take some effort to damage that area being well tucked away, it wouldn't hurt to take a look if not done already to remove that from the check list even if a long shot.
Sure is. But that shouldn't lock the wheel though...so am wondering just what's going on. Especially as no metallic bits came out in the oil...
Hooking two gears at once will lock everything up pretty quick.
I doubt anyone will want to take a two and a half K punt that anything in that crank case can be salvaged though.
Pity, always liked the TLR.
sidecar bob
4th May 2016, 21:33
I was picking a bent selector fork. Our 600 did that, hooked two gears at once & stripped one completely due to the 10 inch wide rear tyre.
Grumph picked up the pieces & gave me back a perfect engine. :sweatdrop
AllanB
4th May 2016, 21:40
Suzukis .............
Crasherfromwayback
4th May 2016, 22:16
Hooking two gears at once will lock everything up pretty quick.
Pity, always liked the TLR.
That's true! And me too. I'd actually like to own one one day.
AllanB
4th May 2016, 22:34
Give it a decade and they will be collectible.
If u can find the time (and the workshop space) its worth the effort - just be sure to find what caused the problem initially. I had the same issue on my current bike (blade) - but it happened very rapidlly after a particularly vicious slam back into gear from a false neutral (ie i was really stupid)
After a full strip down i was able to follow the chain of disaster.
Sheared off a tooth which went through the gear cluster - which tried to expand and then punched a shift fork through the drum - with half the drum gone the next gearshift left it in 2 gears and locked up - luckily while dead straight on the southern motorway
Ebay found me a complete gear cluster from a low k wreck in Auz - also find a few available in the US and the UK -(and I was also offered a full HRC box from TenKate Honda for more money than the bike cost me) - i was pleasantly suprised when a couple of new bearings were included in the package.
Loads of hours flushing checking run outs etc - but total cost including oil pump seals, pick up seals etc (and 2 extra oil and filter changes in the first 1500 km afterwards) - just over $800. Plus the satisfaction of doing it myself.
Was off the road for 3 months though - didnt wanna rush anything - done over 20000km since then with no issues - i cut the first few oil filters apart after use - to check if anything was still floating around - clean as a whistle.
Havent had any issues with jumping out of gear since either - the original gears had visible wear on the dogs - so previous owner was obviously as bad as me - i do use the clutch a lot more than i used to
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