So what's the best super naked currently?

[nzspokes]

Top of the tree looks to be the Tuono 1100, but the BMW S1000r is close behind.

KTM 1290 SDR is a stunning bike. The Japanese makers dont really seem to be in this game.

Which would you pick?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Latest (in the mailbox yesterday) PB has a test of new Speed Triple and the Ducati Monster 1200 R.

They pick the Speed Triple. (which they would, of course) but it seems like a hell nice bike.

Not exactly a "supernaked" though - and they make that point in the test.

[Asher]

The japanese have there offerings in the new MT-10, the MT09, Z1000, GSX-S1000.

Although my pick of the bunch would be the 1290

[nzspokes]

Latest (in the mailbox yesterday) PB has a test of new Speed Triple and the Ducati Monster 1200 R.

They pick the Speed Triple. (which they would, of course) but it seems like a hell nice bike.

Not exactly a "supernaked" though - and they make that point in the test.

New Speedy is a couple of months away I believe. Monster is more laid back I guess than the others.

[nzspokes]

The japanese have there offerings in the new MT-10, the MT09, Z1000, GSX-S1000.

Although my pick of the bunch would be the 1290

I think the GSX-S1000, MT09 and Z1000 are not really that close to the euro's. MT10 is said to be softer than the S1000r and Tuono, maybe thats a good thing.

[george formby]

I think the GSX-S1000, MT09 and Z1000 are not really that close to the euro's. MT10 is said to be softer than the S1000r and Tuono, maybe thats a good thing.

Some of the reviews I've watched make the point that the M10 is softer, not by much, but that gives it greater versatility. Yamaha do hard touring luggage for it. Probably the super nekkid for riders with nothing to prove.

But the Prilla has the sound!

[nzspokes]

Some of the reviews I've watched make the point that the M10 is softer, not by much, but that gives it greater versatility. Yamaha do hard touring luggage for it. Probably the super nekkid for riders with nothing to prove.

But the Prilla has the sound!

Luggage is a good point. SW Motech do a nice kit for the S1000r that can also be modded to fit the Tuono.

[AllanB]

There is no Japanese Supernaked.

There are however fine Japanese nakeds.

You decide how much power you want and what you are prepared to pay.


Ducati Streetfighter 848 is plenty for me :niceone:


Check out these responses to what Ducati has not produced since discontinuing the Streetfighter in either engine.

http://www.gizmag.com/ducati-1199-panigale-streetfighter/32920/

[NZsarge]

There is no Japanese Supernaked.

There are however fine Japanese nakeds.


I would say arguably the new MT-10 Yamaha is nocking on the door of super naked but it of course hasn't surfaced in NZ yet either.

[AllanB]

I would say arguably the new MT-10 Yamaha is nocking on the door of super naked but it of course hasn't surfaced in NZ yet either.

Is 160 hp super anymore?

And I have to wait until I see one in the flesh but looking at images some of the Yamaha's superness is deleted by appearing to be hit with a ugly stick during production.


Actually styling of modern nakeds is not so 'naked' - farking little screens and ghey stuff like that. Plus whats with the Transformer look?


I still think if you are after a big bore naked you can't go past converting one of the Japanese superbikes. Provided you have the skills. Pick up a run-out on last years model or similar and spend the change on a new top yoke to hold standard fatbars, cables to suit and a nice tidy up once removing he plastic.

[nzspokes]

Turn this up really loud. Enjoy. Tuono's top argument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8g-eNvGwQI

[AllanB]

Are you tyre kicking again? Just buy one - you know you want to :niceone:

[nzspokes]

Is 160 hp super anymore?



Seems to be where most sit. Then when dynoed show a fair bit less. Some need to be de-corked. Read a bit on the GSXS1000 being very badly fueled and needing a PC or flash to sort them out.

[nzspokes]

Are you tyre kicking again? Just buy one - you know you want to :niceone:

Bit of a mix. Felt it would be good to have a bike thread for a change! :laugh:

You know, being a bike site and all. :bleh:

[Drew]

There's always this.

[Ocean1]

There's always this.

I see Stu's got a swag of MVs on the floor down there. Some very sharp pricing involved too.


Not tempted just yet though...

[nzspokes]

There's always this.

Thats just nasty. :no:

[AllanB]

Brutale 1090r it was one of them or the Ducati when looking last year.

Ducati dealer had a demo bike. Plus I was looking for a change from the IL4. But man those Brutales are nice - you need to take a lawn chair and sit next to it for a hour - you keep finding nice wee design bits.

Fairly exclusive in NZ too - you do not see many on the road. Plus they appear to be keenly priced presently (don't know if that is a good or bad sign!)

[nzspokes]

Brutale 1090r it was one of them or the Ducati when looking last year.

Ducati dealer had a demo bike. Plus I was looking for a change from the IL4. But man those Brutales are nice - you need to take a lawn chair and sit next to it for a hour - you keep finding nice wee design bits.

Fairly exclusive in NZ too - you do not see many on the road. Plus they appear to be keenly priced presently (don't know if that is a good or bad sign!)

They are part of Harley now? So leak oil? :laugh:

[AllanB]

They are part of Harley now? So leak oil? :laugh:

Nope - Harley sold them back for a $1 at the start of the Global Financial Meltdown - official word was HD was getting back to it's core ...... (compressors).

Mercedes-AGM purchased 25% of MV. I suspect in a ego reaction to the VW group purchasing Ducati.

[NZsarge]

Nope - Harley sold them back for a $1 at the start of the Global Financial Meltdown - official word was HD was getting back to it's core ...... (compressors).

Mercedes-AGM purchased 25% of MV. I suspect in a ego reaction to the VW group purchasing Ducati.

Aren't MV on the edge of going under yet again...

[Gremlin]

I've had a KTM 990 SM, that was a hooligan toy. Adding 300cc for the SDR? Uh yeah, sure, it definitely needed more go :blink:

Boss had a 2nd gen Tuono with Akra pipes. mmm, still have a soft spot for that thump and rumble which the V4 just doesn't quite have.

In my book, you'd need to define best. For me, that isn't about the paper power, or who has 1hp more than another. You can't really use the 160HP some of them have, but the 990SM with long travel suspension and 115HP ish, now that was a hoot. So yeah, probably a Euro for "best" for me. It will bring out that passion, but will probably be more expensive and less practical than a smoothly refined jap.

[NZsarge]

Is 160 hp super anymore?

And I have to wait until I see one in the flesh but looking at images some of the Yamaha's superness is deleted by appearing to be hit with a ugly stick during production.


Actually styling of modern nakeds is not so 'naked' - farking little screens and ghey stuff like that. Plus whats with the Transformer look?


I still think if you are after a big bore naked you can't go past converting one of the Japanese superbikes. Provided you have the skills. Pick up a run-out on last years model or similar and spend the change on a new top yoke to hold standard fatbars, cables to suit and a nice tidy up once removing he plastic.
Well 160 may not be quite there in horsepower terms some of the euro super naked (but it's not that far behind) I would respectfully argue 160hp is plenty on a naked bike and its torque that makes naked bikes fun, Yamaha have done considerable re-tuning on the engine, gearbox and chassis to make it more relevant for road going riding while not completely chopping the nuts off the R1 dna. Looks? They're subjective and I must say its growing on me and it's ripe for blingage.
Each to their own though, just because I like it doesn't mean anyone else has to.
I'm wondering if they'll do a tracer version of it or at least a half faired one to replace the FZ1 S.

[Blackbird]

In my book, you'd need to define best. For me, that isn't about the paper power, or who has 1hp more than another. You can't really use the 160HP some of them have, but the 990SM with long travel suspension and 115HP ish, now that was a hoot. So yeah, probably a Euro for "best" for me. It will bring out that passion, but will probably be more expensive and less practical than a smoothly refined jap.

You're spot on Alan. I guess it very much depends on what you want the bike for and where you are in your riding career. For what you might define as "normal" road riding, oodles of horsepower is fun, but doesn't necessarily offer much advantage. Funnily enough, I don't have as much affection for the GSX-S 1000 as the Street Triple, despite the higher spec. If you look at power to weight ratio, they aren't a million miles apart but part of it might be that I find an in line 4 a bit too sterile and turbine-like where as others love 'em. Next purchase, I'll be using my heart as well as my head :laugh:

[roogazza]

You're spot on Alan. I guess it very much depends on what you want the bike for and where you are in your riding career. For what you might define as "normal" road riding, oodles of horsepower is fun, but doesn't necessarily offer much advantage. Funnily enough, I don't have as much affection for the GSX-S 1000 as the Street Triple, despite the higher spec. If you look at power to weight ratio, they aren't a million miles apart but part of it might be that I find an in line 4 a bit too sterile and turbine-like where as others love 'em. Next purchase, I'll be using my heart as well as my head :laugh:
Cheers Blackbird, I had a good look over the GSXS last week in palmy Nth. Gunna take the demo out for a while when the weather is better.
But sitting on it feels good for the old knees and neck. I'm keen to sample the ABS and Traction control.But its the engine detuning that concerns most.
I might run it over my usual road to compare.

[Blackbird]

Cheers Blackbird, I had a good look over the GSXS last week in palmy Nth. Gunna take the demo out for a while when the weather is better.
But sitting on it feels good for the old knees and neck. I'm keen to sample the ABS and Traction control.But its the engine detuning that concerns most.
I might run it over my usual road to compare.

No worries! :niceone:

Don't get me wrong, it's a really good machine but I just don't have the special bond I had with the Triple. Good value for money too. It is detuned compared with the GSX-R but a better description would be re-tuned because as others have said, it's the bottom end and mid-range response which has most relevance to a naked bike. On the GSX-S forum, the biggest complaint is a sensitive throttle and a bit lumpy at the bottom end. There are fixes but it's something that doesn't bother me as the Triple had quite a sensitive response off a trailing throttle too.

If you're interested in a series of blog posts I've done on it, start here: http://geoffjames.blogspot.co.nz/2015/10/suzuki-gsx-s-1000a-first-impressions.html then work forward to some more recent posts about it. Hope that they help.

Cheers,

Geoff

[nzspokes]

Funnily enough, I don't have as much affection for the GSX-S 1000 as the Street Triple

Thats a really key point. My last IL4 was really good, but boring as butter. My current VTR twin feels alive. But in saying that our 1200 Bandit is not a bad bike. Some bikes give back a lot more feel I guess.

The 2 I feel are at the top are the BMW S1000r and the Tuono. Tuono will have more feel, but can you get parts? LOL

[AllanB]

The NZ bargain naked will be a used Suzuki - purchase is low now so used will be fantastic!

Plus Suzuki are bound to feature them in a Summerfest in 2017 or 2018 and sell them new for some ridiculous price!


These is a very nice one running around CHCH - tasteful mods - Yoshi (sounds great), tail tidy, carbon screen. Small changes that make a visual and audible difference.


Japanese/Italian/German/English - all different 'feel'. I think the Japanese get a hard time over their bikes - look at the press on the low end fueling of the Suzuki - if it was European it would be considered 'character' and they would throw accolades at the rush once it fuels properly. A Japanese bike doing the same? It's a fault apparently.

[Drew]

The NZ bargain naked will be a used Suzuki - purchase is low now so used will be fantastic!

Plus Suzuki are bound to feature them in a Summerfest in 2017 or 2018 and sell them new for some ridiculous price!


These is a very nice one running around CHCH - tasteful mods - Yoshi (sounds great), tail tidy, carbon screen. Small changes that make a visual and audible difference.


Japanese/Italian/German/English - all different 'feel'. I think the Japanese get a hard time over their bikes - look at the press on the low end fueling of the Suzuki - if it was European it would be considered 'character' and they would throw accolades at the rush once it fuels properly. A Japanese bike doing the same? It's a fault apparently.I get properly fucked off when people wank about European bikes having more soul.

It's something they've been convinced of, to extract more money on purchase.

Fuck, the S1000RR is soooo much a Japanese clone that had a few more gadgets when it was released. It's a good bike like, but the prestige of it not being Japanese made is of ZERO value in real terms.

[nzspokes]

I get properly fucked off when people wank about European bikes having more soul.



Id rather not have a bike that sounds like a blender. Not heard the BMW in person so cant comment.

But turn this up, same motor as the Tuono. Find a jap bike that sounds that good and I will be interested.

http://ridinglovers.online/index.php/2016/05/09/aprilia-rsv4-sc-project-sound-exhaust/

[AllanB]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8tkVSKb77Y

[Drew]

Id rather not have a bike that sounds like a blender. Not heard the BMW in person so cant comment.

But turn this up, same motor as the Tuono. Find a jap bike that sounds that good and I will be interested.

http://ridinglovers.online/index.php/2016/05/09/aprilia-rsv4-sc-project-sound-exhaust/
Ummm, you've never heard an RC45 I gather. Aprilia are about four decades late on owning the horn V4 noise.

[nzspokes]

Ummm, you've never heard an RC45 I gather. Aprilia are about four decades late on owning the horn V4 noise.

Did i say they were the first?

Can somebody go out and buy a brand new RC45? And from memory they are far from a naked.

[nzspokes]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8tkVSKb77Y

Yeah seen that before along with other CBX6s. They sound stunning. Cant just go buy one new but....

[Drew]

Did i say they were the first?

Can somebody go out and buy a brand new RC45? And from memory they are far from a naked.

I was using the RC45 as an example that euro bikes aren't anything special just because they're European. They're not doing anything the Japanese aren't or haven't.

[nzspokes]

I was using the RC45 as an example that euro bikes aren't anything special just because they're European. They're not doing anything the Japanese aren't or haven't.

:facepalm: If you look at the thread title, we are talking about bikes that can be bought new now. Of course the motor configurations have been done before in other bikes from different countries.

MT-10 could be close if we knew price and when they will be here.

[SVboy]

a mate has bought the suzuki. He didn't dick around. Nitron shock, sprung for him. PCV and custom dyno tune. Plus bling to taste. Set up by Dave Moss. Really nice bike at $20k

[AllanB]

a mate has bought the suzuki. He didn't dick around. Nitron shock, sprung for him. PCV and custom dyno tune. Plus bling to taste. Set up by Dave Moss. Really nice bike at $20k

This. Be interesting if the British after-maket embrace the Suzuki with farkles and goodies like they have the Bandit.

[nzspokes]

This. Be interesting if the British after-maket embrace the Suzuki with farkles and goodies like they have the Bandit.

Well that one looks ok.

[Ocean1]

I would respectfully argue 160hp is plenty on a naked bike and its torque that makes naked bikes fun,

They tend to be somewhat related, but that's certainly the main reason for my fetish with twins.

You're not going to get 100 ft*lb without incurring the odd hp or two, but generally speaking capacity and compression ratio define torque. The hp available from the extra revs you get from smaller cylinders don't really interest me, it comes with some byproducts that I don't find helpful for road use.

Putting a couple of feet on another bike down the back straight, especially when you're limited for capacity is a different story, but I don't buy road bikes to do that, and nor do I have the same limits.

[pritch]

I get properly fucked off when people wank about European bikes having more soul.


Me too, although maybe to a lesser degree. I'm reminded of an interview with a Ducati spokesman I read some years ago. I've mentioned it on KB before but that too was years ago.

Speaking of the Japanese manufacturers he said,
"We can't compete on price, we can't compete on performance, and we can't compete with some of them on quality."

Doesn't leave much does it?

So they have to sell intangibles - like "passion". Similarly the last time I read a Triumph catalogue you didn't get too many pages in before you came across the word "passion". The Harley equivalent is "lifestyle" with a hefty dose of patriotism thrown in for their home market.

The various owners of these brands, having paid over the odds, tell themselves their bike has soul.

Couple of years ago I was interested in a Brutale so I checked out the Brutale forums. The list of problems being experienced by owners was not long, mainly related to (serious) fuelling issues, and the headlight glass falling out, but was widespread among owners and swiftly cured my lust. Things may have
improved, or may not, but if I was contemplating a purchase I'd certainly be checking those forums again.

[Maha]

Being persuaded by nouns when purchasing a bike seems ridiculous, just buy a machine that floats your fanny.

[nzspokes]

They tend to be somewhat related, but that's certainly the main reason for my fetish with twins.

You're not going to get 100 ft*lb without incurring the odd hp or two, but generally speaking capacity and compression ratio define torque. The hp available from the extra revs you get from smaller cylinders don't really interest me, it comes with some byproducts that I don't find helpful for road use.

Putting a couple of feet on another bike down the back straight, especially when you're limited for capacity is a different story, but I don't buy road bikes to do that, and nor do I have the same limits.

I think the 1290GT could be a giggle, but not a Super Naked. Did they sort the having to stop to change modes issue?

[Ocean1]

I think the 1290GT could be a giggle, but not a Super Naked. Did they sort the having to stop to change modes issue?

Possibly, but I'm not convinced I need an extra 20kg in exchange for extra fuel, luggage and pillion capacity.

And no, I believe their read on applicable liability laws in their major markets drove that design choice.

[Dave C]

"There is no Japanese Supernaked. There are however fine Japanese nakeds."

So you've never seen a Suzi B King? No longer available new, but if you can live without electronic trickery (and I'm happy to) still a hell of a ride for very little money.

[nzspokes]

"There is no Japanese Supernaked. There are however fine Japanese nakeds."

So you've never seen a Suzi B King? No longer available new, but if you can live without electronic trickery (and I'm happy to) still a hell of a ride for very little money.

It would be an interesting bike if they still made them.

[nzspokes]

Possibly, but I'm not convinced I need an extra 20kg in exchange for extra fuel, luggage and pillion capacity.

And no, I believe their read on applicable liability laws in their major markets drove that design choice.

From what I have read they get 280ish Ks to a tank? so pretty good range. And you can get the Powersports panniers for the SDR to. Hear you can get a dongle so the thing remembers your settings to.

[Ocean1]

From what I have read they get 280ish Ks to a tank? so pretty good range. And you can get the Powersports panniers for the SDR to. Hear you can get a dongle so the thing remembers your settings to.

I get 300k to the light, touring, which is pretty impressive from probably about 16L. Won't be anywhere near that frugal on a less sedate ride, but I don't care, petrol stations are still close enough together and I didn't buy it to pretend it was a step-through.

The GT panniers are bigger than the ones they sell for the SDR. Neither are cheap. I wonder if the GT will be sold here with luggage, or if they'll do the time honoured NZ market thing and charge you the same price for the bike but without the bags.

The only feature I'd like to stay latched up on restart is the SM mode, rear ABS off on the rear only. It's the one setting I usually go to the trouble of dialing up before trundling off. Except in rain mode.

[nzspokes]

I get 300k to the light, touring, which is pretty impressive from probably about 16L. Won't be anywhere near that frugal on a less sedate ride, but I don't care, petrol stations are still close enough together and I didn't buy it to pretend it was a step-through.

The GT panniers are bigger than the ones they sell for the SDR. Neither are cheap. I wonder if the GT will be sold here with luggage, or if they'll do the time honoured NZ market thing and charge you the same price for the bike but without the bags.

The only feature I'd like to stay latched up on restart is the SM mode, rear ABS off on the rear only. It's the one setting I usually go to the trouble of dialing up before trundling off. Except in rain mode.

Yeah looks like they are an "extra". May go test ride one next week, guess the 2016 model is the same. The range and being able to get panniers for it is cool.

[AllanB]

"There is no Japanese Supernaked. There are however fine Japanese nakeds."

So you've never seen a Suzi B King? No longer available new, but if you can live without electronic trickery (and I'm happy to) still a hell of a ride for very little money.

It would have been a Super Naked if it had arrived Supercharged like the concept bike. Stupid chicken arse Suzuki!

[nzspokes]

a mate has bought the suzuki. He didn't dick around. Nitron shock, sprung for him. PCV and custom dyno tune. Plus bling to taste. Set up by Dave Moss. Really nice bike at $20k

Starting to look at them a bit more. Did the PCV fix the horrid fueling? Quickshift would complete the bike.

[boman]

Starting to look at them a bit more. Did the PCV fix the horrid fueling? Quickshift would complete the bike.

BMW S1000R with all the fruit.


Go on...doo eettt

[SVboy]

Starting to look at them a bit more. Did the PCV fix the horrid fueling? Quickshift would complete the bike.

Absolutely. He is one pleased owner. A revalve on the forks , a full system and this would be the complete package.

[AllanB]

BMW S1000R with all the fruit.


Go on...doo eettt

Actually they are on sale - plus a bonus muffler ....... $22,500 http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1089851005.htm

Suzuki is what $17. You'll possibly drop $4k on PC & dyno, suspenders front and rear, pipe.


Or like most punters find the Suzuki is actually bloody good for your riding ability on public roads and be happy with your new ride and the change in your pocket :yes:

[nzspokes]

Actually they are on sale - plus a bonus muffler ....... $22,500 http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1089851005.htm

Suzuki is what $17. You'll possibly drop $4k on PC & dyno, suspenders front and rear, pipe.


Or like most punters find the Suzuki is actually bloody good for your riding ability on public roads and be happy with your new ride and the change in your pocket :yes:

Yerp for that money the BMW looks bloody good. No I am not prepared to put up with crap suspension. Or crap fueling on a new bike. So if I went with the Suzi it would get through its 1k service then get sorted out. BMW sounds good out of the box.

[Drew]

The suspension on the BMW is likely fuck all better than the Suzuki. I doubt very much that there's anything fundamentally wrong with either bike.

[nzspokes]

The suspension on the BMW is likely fuck all better than the Suzuki. I doubt very much that there's anything fundamentally wrong with either bike.

BMW Has DDC. Decent test ride will see.

[Drew]

BMW Has DDC. Decent test ride will see.

Yeah, cool toy. Willing to bet it can't keep up with our shit road conditions any better than anything else out of the box.

[Owl]

From what I have read they get 280ish Ks to a tank?

My best is 359km, but then the tank holds over 19ltr too.

[nzspokes]

Yeah, cool toy. Willing to bet it can't keep up with our shit road conditions any better than anything else out of the box.

We are not alone in the world with shit roads. BMW wont need a repaint after a couple of years....

[nzspokes]

My best is 359km, but then the tank holds over 19ltr too.

Feck that's decent. Gunna ride one next week.

[Ocean1]

My best is 359km, but then the tank holds over 19ltr too.


Feck that's decent. Gunna ride one next week.

It is impressive, I've only just squeaked over 320 a couple of times.

But I've never actually tried to stretch it, not interested enough in the results to moderate the right hand for a whole tank.

[EJK]

Does 1090 RR Brutale come anywhere near the category of "Super Naked"?

This is a video I found on Youtube (yes, it's a 800). But that sound...!

https://youtu.be/xGNt1hwtN0E?t=30s

[Cosmik de Bris]

Does 1090 RR Brutale come anywhere near the category of "Super Naked"?

This is a video I found on Youtube (yes, it's a 800). But that sound...!

https://youtu.be/xGNt1hwtN0E?t=30s

Naked, Super naked, it's just a name applied by OCD type people who have to categorise everything.

[Maha]

Naked, Super naked, it's just a name applied by OCD type people who have to categorise everything.

What about Super duper and frightfully undoubtedly naked that has soul/panache and loads of spunk? :niceone:

[nzspokes]

Naked, Super naked, it's just a name applied by OCD type people who have to categorise everything.

I guess it would be better to just call it a Bike. Its not a Adventure SUV wannabe just a bike. So a normal bike with decent powa.

[Owl]

Gunna ride one next week.

Good stuff. I'm sure you'll enjoy it.;)


But I've never actually tried to stretch it, not interested enough in the results to moderate the right hand for a whole tank.

Fair enough. I did the 359 going from Palmy to Lake Ferry and back. Had to control the right hand as I was riding with the Mrs on her Bonneville.

[DMNTD]

Naked, Super naked, it's just a name applied by OCD type people who have to categorise everything.

CDO...as it should be :shifty:
Not all naked were created equal

[Maha]

CDO...as it should be :shifty:
Not all naked were created equal


.....and not all those who were created equal should be naked....:eek5:

[rambaldi]

What about Super duper and frightfully undoubtedly naked that has soul/panache and loads of spunk? :niceone:

If we are talking about the Brutale it might have the wrong kind of spunk all over it...

[Ocean1]

Does 1090 RR Brutale come anywhere near the category of "Super Naked"?

This is a video I found on Youtube (yes, it's a 800). But that sound...!

https://youtu.be/xGNt1hwtN0E?t=30s

Possibly. It's hp numbers are short of most jap liter machines, but I don't think that's the point with a naked machine anyway. You're not going to buy one to do huge speeds, it's just not that comfortable above about 130, so what's the point of a high geared close ration box and peaky hp?

However, it looks like the 1090 isn't endowed with huge torque either, 100Nm. By way of comparison, the SDR makes that at 3k rpm. It tops out at 144Nm (iirc) at about 8k.

If the point of an open class naked is torque the SDR is difficult to beat. In fact it's difficult to see how any more torque could be useful at "naked speeds", the fucking thing won't let you have it all until late 5th gear anyway.

[Ocean1]

Fair enough. I did the 359 going from Palmy to Lake Ferry and back. Had to control the right hand as I was riding with the Mrs on her Bonneville.

Aye, that'll do it. :laugh:

[AllanB]

I'm getting disturbing good (I think) fuel economy out of my Ducati. Maybe I'm not thrashing it enough. Plus it does have Autobahn gearing. Smaller sprocket for the front is in the shed - I may get to use sixth gear more after fitting it!

[nzspokes]

I'm getting disturbing good (I think) fuel economy out of my Ducati. Maybe I'm not thrashing it enough. Plus it does have Autobahn gearing. Smaller sprocket for the front is in the shed - I may get to use sixth gear more after fitting it!

Stunned me to get that much range out of the SDR. Odd to be thinking about range on these bikes.

Will ride a few next week but I suspect I already know the winner. Question is do I need the Ohlins version?

[AllanB]

Does 1090 RR Brutale come anywhere near the category of "Super Naked"?

This is a video I found on Youtube (yes, it's a 800). But that sound...!

https://youtu.be/xGNt1hwtN0E?t=30s

IMO the cheaper 1090R (NZ's base model 1090, if base model is applicable on this bike) is the better bike - the RR has a all up top engine - more hp but at the expensive of low and mid-range. On the road the R is the one to pick.

[boman]

BMW Has DDC. Decent test ride will see.

It really is adaptable and adjustable. All you need to add is a potentiometer to the front to dial up compression settings for the front. I haven't bothered to do so. The bike is a blast with stock settings.

If you want too you can set all to soft via the dash, and its like riding on a compliant cloud.

An awesome piece of kit.

[nzspokes]

Super Duke GT panniers are $1795. :tugger:

Interestingly there are no 1290SDRs for sale used on TM. All the others there is. Either they dont sell many or people that have em dont sell em.

[boman]

Super Duke GT panniers are $1795. :tugger:

Interestingly there are no 1290SDRs for sale used on TM. All the others there is. Either they dont sell many or people that have em dont sell em.

There was on in Boyds in Hamilton on Friday last week. Brand new demo one.

[Ocean1]

Super Duke GT panniers are $1795. :tugger:

Interestingly there are no 1290SDRs for sale used on TM. All the others there is. Either they dont sell many or people that have em dont sell em.

That's comparable to luggage for other bikes. What pisses me off is firstly that it's approximately 100 times the cost of making them, and secondly if they're like most other NZ distributors they've just pocketed the luggage component of the purchase price and expect you to pay for it again.

And no, SDRs don't turn up on TM very often. If you want a big fuck off naked torque monster in a sweet handling frame they're sort of the top of the heap, unless your needs had changed dramatically what would you trade one in for?

[AllanB]

If you want a big fuck off naked torque monster in a sweet handling frame they're sort of the top of the heap, unless your needs had changed dramatically what would you trade one in for?

Ducati :Punk:

[AllanB]

Super Duke GT panniers are $1795. :tugger:



You are into the high end Euro bikes now lad - you'll pay accordingly. It will be comparable to BMW and the likes if you need to purchase as a accessory.


Wait until you decide you want a rowdy pipe for one ...... Danmoto won't cut it on a top end ride :lol:


Check tyre sizes too - just in case the bike you desire runs a oddball size. Several Ducatis come with a 180/60/17 - bloody nice tyre profile but limited (in NZ) choice of rubber and a tad dearer.

[Madness]

There was on in Boyds in Hamilton on Friday last week. Brand new demo one.

It was still there on Monday. I thought meh.

[nzspokes]

You are into the high end Euro bikes now lad - you'll pay accordingly. It will be comparable to BMW and the likes if you need to purchase as a accessory.


Wait until you decide you want a rowdy pipe for one ...... Danmoto won't cut it on a top end ride [emoji38]


Check tyre sizes too - just in case the bike you desire runs a oddball size. Several Ducatis come with a 180/60/17 - bloody nice tyre profile but limited (in NZ) choice of rubber and a tad dearer.
On the BMW guys in the US are removing the stock slip on and just fitting a slash cut bit of stainless pipe. The cat is enough to shut it up.

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[boman]

It was still there on Monday. I thought meh.

I thought it was the ugliest bike I have seen to date.

[DMNTD]

Will ride a few next week but I suspect I already know the winner. Question is do I need the Ohlins version?

Ohlins from stock will never be suited unless you're around the 80kg mark...and you're not, are you? :sunny:

[nzspokes]

Ohlins from stock will never be suited unless you're around the 80kg mark...and you're not, are you? :sunny:
Does wanting to be 80kg count?

I am expecting a trip to Rob Taylor no matter what I get. Prilla is still the one.

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[DMNTD]

I am expecting a trip to Rob Taylor no matter what I get. Prilla is still the one.

In that case I personally wouldn't bother spending the extra. My RSV4 and ZX14 have stock suspenders but well tuned in for me by Dave Moss.
Could it be made even better by spending another $3k? Sure but how fast do you really want to ride on the road?

[nzspokes]

In that case I personally wouldn't bother spending the extra. My RSV4 and ZX14 have stock suspenders but well tuned in for me by Dave Moss.
Could it be made even better by spending another $3k? Sure but how fast do you really want to ride on the road?

I really like the Blue one, the factory is too many colours. I feel like on one I would need to wear a onesie. That would not be a good look.

[nzspokes]

Sat on one of these today, the SE model. Will test ride on Monday if not pissing down.

http://www.ktm.com/ph/naked-bike/1290-super-duke-r-special-edition/

[SVboy]

In that case I personally wouldn't bother spending the extra. My RSV4 and ZX14 have stock suspenders but well tuned in for me by Dave Moss.
Could it be made even better by spending another $3k? Sure but how fast do you really want to ride on the road?

I think we both know the answer to that question.....

[AllanB]

Sat on one of these today, the SE model. Will test ride on Monday if not pissing down.

http://www.ktm.com/ph/naked-bike/1290-super-duke-r-special-edition/

Buy one.

TM tells me the SE is $2500 above the R in price. Not to bad really - the muffler alone is $2k (I see a used one on TM stating rrp is $2200!)

It does go into the starting with a three price tag though!


With the shit weather upon us you may be in a good buying position if you don't mind purchasing out of town. There will be 2015's on shop floors still.

[nzspokes]

Buy one.

TM tells me the SE is $2500 above the R in price. Not to bad really - the muffler alone is $2k (I see a used one on TM stating rrp is $2200!)

It does go into the starting with a three price tag though!


With the shit weather upon us you may be in a good buying position if you don't mind purchasing out of town. There will be 2015's on shop floors still.

You can get a small pannier kit for them which is cool. I do wonder about if they will wheelie at all with the traction control on or if you can adjust that.

The SDR GT they told me today are sold out and will be next year before they get any more. :facepalm:

[Ocean1]

I do wonder about if they will wheelie at all with the traction control on or if you can adjust that.

You can adjust it. Wheelie control generally gets more restrictive with changes to traction control, which include changes to the main ride mode.

In rain mode computer says no. Street mode seems to let the front come up maybe 3-4" and hover there, dropping briefly at each gear change.

In race mode it lifts a bit more, stays down after change to 5th but comes up again as you reach 5500rpm. Haven't noticed it ever lifting in 6th.

Or you can go directly to TC settings and turn it off, in which case you're on your own, Major Tom.

[nzspokes]

You can adjust it. Wheelie control generally gets more restrictive with changes to traction control, which include changes to the main ride mode.

In rain mode computer says no. Street mode seems to let the front come up maybe 3-4" and hover there, dropping briefly at each gear change.

In race mode it lifts a bit more, stays down after change to 5th but comes up again as you reach 5500rpm. Haven't noticed it ever lifting in 6th.

Or you can go directly to TC settings and turn it off, in which case you're on your own, Major Tom.

Ah, thanks for that. How is yours aging? Finish still look good?

[Ocean1]

Ah, thanks for that. How is yours aging? Finish still look good?

Good, fairly robust insomuch as it takes minor abuse/accidents well and I think minor damage would be difficult to see anyway.

Recall for tank breather check, which turned out not to be a problem, and the tail light mount broke, which was replaced with an updated one. But mine was the first batch, those problems won't be there with subsequent imports.

Niggles are limited to the few places stones get trapped on the engine and have to be dug out with a skinny screwdriver. And the artfully designed opening in the plate holder / guard extension. When you slow down for roadworks after a brisk bit of work the warm, sticky back tyre hoovers up every loose bit of gravel in the area and throws it directly through that hole and onto your tail light lens.

I've made a small panel of perf stainless to glue in place.

[DMNTD]

I think we both know the answer to that question.....

No more than 104kmph eh?

[nzspokes]

Another random thought. Why not just buy a K8 GSXR1k and just fit a Superbike bar kit to it? Get full power, be upright and have a fairing. Not Naked yes but would be a ton of fun for not many $$$$$

[nzspokes]

Triumph are in the game?

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/first-ride-review-2016-triumph-speed-triple-r-streetfighter#page-9

[AllanB]

Triumph are in the game?

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/first-ride-review-2016-triumph-speed-triple-r-streetfighter#page-9



Refinement this revamp. By all accounts welcome. Yet to see a full on comparison though.

It's a bit porky still - could have done with a trip to Jenny Craig IMO.


Buy the KTM ya pussy. you won't even need to ride well - it's just presumed you can on one of them :-)


And the K8 with fat bar - strip the plastic mate and tidy it up. Actually I have seen some well priced CBR1000 late model Hondas and they are quite tidy and clean under the plastic. Roland Sands did a nice looking naked version a few years back. I'd take the Honda over the Suzuki. Nothing more than personal preference.

Or buy the KTM ya pussy.


Or one of these. Adds at least a inch to your manbits.........

http://www.casboltsmotorcycles.co.nz/new-bikes/ or the S or the R .......

[AllanB]

On the naked CBR front - this one gave me a mighty boner for two days (I know!)

I've not checked if the kit is a goer - pretty sure I've read since he had enough orders. Fucking sweet.


http://www.bikeexif.com/cafe-fighter


Kit is here ........ https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/huge-moto-custom-motorcycle-kit#/

[nzspokes]

Buy the KTM ya pussy.

I like the Katoom 1290 GT quite a bit, will try to look at one tomorrow. A red S1000r Beemer is up there to.

Have a good couple of months before I can buy so having fun looking.

[AllanB]

Have a good couple of months before I can buy so having fun looking.


Dangerous .... there is always the sniff of a beaut formerly unknown early 2017 model being released .......

[desmoto]

I have the Tuono 1100 Factory.Awesome bike, 9000ks so far, no problems.

[Owl]

I have the Tuono 1100 Factory.Awesome bike, 9000ks so far, no problems.

Very nice.:niceone:

[nzspokes]

I have the Tuono 1100 Factory.Awesome bike, 9000ks so far, no problems.

They are yummy. Nice pipe you have on it as well.

[george formby]

Another random thought. Why not just buy a K8 GSXR1k and just fit a Superbike bar kit to it? Get full power, be upright and have a fairing. Not Naked yes but would be a ton of fun for not many $$$$$

Lots of opportunity there if you don't mind a bit of spannering. I've often fancied a GSXR750 with wide, raised bars and aftermarket pegs. Just for sub warp speed nadgery.

[nzspokes]

Lots of opportunity there if you don't mind a bit of spannering. I've often fancied a GSXR750 with wide, raised bars and aftermarket pegs. Just for sub warp speed nadgery.

A Gixxer 1000, say K8 with Renthals and low gearing would be epic. Kinda what the GSX-S1000 promised to be.

[AllanB]

I have the Tuono 1100 Factory.Awesome bike, 9000ks so far, no problems.

Niccccccccccceeeeee. Is it a 'naked' though? see how non-naked the nakeds are becoming ....


One thing I find a hoot about my Streetfighter is the view from the saddle - a piddly wee instrument cluster down low and nothing! But you can buy a wee screen from Ducati if you are a softie ..

[boman]

Also ask on the service prices and intervals. I was quite shocked to find out how much cheaper the German bike was to service over the Pommie bike.

[AllanB]

They should all be on 12 - 15,000 service intervals now with every second one (24-30k) a valve check. Annual oil changes yearly if lower kms.

[Drew]

A Gixxer 1000, say K8 with Renthals and low gearing would be epic. Kinda what the GSX-S1000 promised to be.

If anyone were to fighter a Gixxer, they'd be mad not to use the K5/6. That's the motor with the massive torque ramp in the middle of the rev range. And a wee tip, Suzuki New Zealand have shit loads of go fast bits for them.

The GSX-S is based on the K6 too.

[nzspokes]

If anyone were to fighter a Gixxer, they'd be mad not to use the K5/6. That's the motor with the massive torque ramp in the middle of the rev range. And a wee tip, Suzuki New Zealand have shit loads of go fast bits for them.

The GSX-S is based on the K6 too.

Didnt that motor carry on until 08? I wouldnt fighter it, would keep the fairings.

[HondaLad]

I wonder if this GSXR build / modification was ever completed?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/162225-New-project-bike-Advice-and-guidance-welcomed-for-some-parts

The Suzuki Virus mentioned in the post induces a certain amount of drool factor.

[EJK]

I wonder if this GSXR build / modification was ever completed?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/162225-New-project-bike-Advice-and-guidance-welcomed-for-some-parts

The Suzuki Virus mentioned in the post induces a certain amount of drool factor.

Wow now that's what GSX-S1000 should have been!

[Maha]

Out of the four Jap litre bikes Suzuki is inherently the cheapest out of the box. Over heard a high profile bike racer say that ''though the GSXR750 is the best bike for NZ roads GSXR Suzuki's are generally bought by white collar workers''.

[nzspokes]

Thats amazing.

[Laava]

Too late Rob?
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2016/may/wrenchmonkees-xsr900-monkeebeast/

[Drew]

Didnt that motor carry on until 08? I wouldnt fighter it, would keep the fairings.

Nah. K7/8 has a stacked gearbox. Different cases and a much smoother motor.

Make no mistake, the K7 is a faster bike....but the K6 is heaps more fun.

[nzspokes]

Interesting write up on the GSX-S1000.

http://www.cycleworld.com/25th-annual-paeroa-battle-of-the-streets-new-zealand-motorcycle-racing/?src=SOC&dom=fb#page-9

[SVboy]

I am very much a Suzuki person and I thought a Suzuki GSX1000r with mods would be the go, but the initial reports on the Yamaha MT10 look really good. Bugger.

[Maha]

I am very much a Suzuki person and I thought a Suzuki GSX1000r with mods would be the go, but the initial reports on the Yamaha MT10 look really good. Bugger.

Maybe the inheritance won't stretch to the 1290 so a GSXR may have to do.

[nzspokes]

Maybe the inheritance won't stretch to the 1290 so a GSXR may have to do.

Oh I have decided what Im buying some time ago to go with the VTR.

[nzspokes]

I am very much a Suzuki person and I thought a Suzuki GSX1000r with mods would be the go, but the initial reports on the Yamaha MT10 look really good. Bugger.

Ive asked Yamaha when they are getting the MT10 and they have said they are keeping it under wraps.

Which is code for they have no idea.

[AllanB]

Ive asked Yamaha when they are getting the MT10 and they have said they are keeping it under wraps.

Which is code for they have no idea.

WOW - way to get sales Yamaha NZ ........


Me - I'd be telling them first shipment arrives in XX - there is limited stock and we are taking $1,000 deposits to secure one. The deposit is refundable if you don't buy after a test ride.


So - what have you decided on?

[Maha]

So - what have you decided on?

Bookies are offering 10/1 odds that it will nothing like what has been talked over thus far. The bridge between Dream and Reality is vast.

[nzspokes]

WOW - way to get sales Yamaha NZ ........


Me - I'd be telling them first shipment arrives in XX - there is limited stock and we are taking $1,000 deposits to secure one. The deposit is refundable if you don't buy after a test ride.


So - what have you decided on?

Yeah I dont get the Yamaha thing. just bizarre.

Tuono.

[Madness]

Tuono.

I've heard their side-stand springs have been found wanting on occasion.

[nzspokes]

I've heard their side-stand springs have been found wanting on occasion.

I will remove it for safety.

[Erelyes]

If anyone were to fighter a Gixxer, they'd be mad not to use the K5/6. That's the motor with the massive torque ramp in the middle of the rev range. And a wee tip, Suzuki New Zealand have shit loads of go fast bits for them.

The GSX-S is based on the K6 too.

This.

To be honest the 'factory' attempted 'fighters have been left wanting. CBR1000R (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1092250351.htm) for example... take a 170hp '07 Blade engine, 'retune' to 130bhp. Since when did 'tuning for torque' mean guillotining the top end?

[DMNTD]

This.

To be honest the 'factory' attempted 'fighters have been left wanting. CBR1000R (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1092250351.htm) for example... take a 170hp '07 Blade engine, 'retune' to 130bhp. Since when did 'tuning for torque' mean guillotining the top end?

I dunno, I've enjoyed my Superduke(s), Brutale, Tuono APRC and you could even argue that my old Diavel was a naked cruiser thingy :drool:

[AllanB]

I dunno, I've enjoyed my Superduke(s), Brutale, Tuono APRC and you could even argue that my old Diavel was a naked cruiser thingy :drool:

Euro's get the naked thing - full snot without the plastic, the Japanese makers 'retune' (one cannot say detune as the marketign team will not permit it) their full snot engines for nakeds.

HOWEVER

Given the nakeds are purchased for road use is a retune from top end to midrange a bad thing? No it it retains some interest - yes if it results in a bit of blandness.


Tuono - good choice. Also check out the used market. They drop in value quite rapidly and a very low km, just within warranty ride may be picked up at Suzuki pricing.

[Drew]

Tuono - good choice. Also check out the used market. They drop in value quite rapidly and a very low km, just within warranty ride may be picked up at Suzuki pricing.

I've given a V4 Tuono a couple of thrashings. Initially I loved everything except the wheelie control. After riding it another two times, I was more critical. The quickshifter isn't quick enough, needs the sensitivity turned down so the lever is loaded more before the ignition cuts.

The front end is hard to load up (which could be down to suspension settings, but I expected better since these forks are Robert Taylor fettled), and so it's hard to pick a line and nail it.

What a fucken motor though!

[george formby]

I've given a V4 Tuono a couple of thrashings. Initially I loved everything except the wheelie control. After riding it another two times, I was more critical. The quickshifter isn't quick enough, needs the sensitivity turned down so the lever is loaded more before the ignition cuts.

The front end is hard to load up (which could be down to suspension settings, but I expected better since these forks are Robert Taylor fettled), and so it's hard to pick a line and nail it.

What a fucken motor though!

That's interesting. One of the things I remember about earlier Tuono's was how good the front end felt, like holding the front wheel spindle with your hands. It gave me huge confidence, felt like a big Supermoto.

[Ocean1]

Given the nakeds are purchased for road use is a retune from top end to midrange a bad thing? No it it retains some interest - yes if it results in a bit of blandness.

I'm not sure you could call the 1290 bland.

For decades there's been one main thing that's sold sportsbikes: the number on the brochure under the heading: Horsepower.

And the pursuit of ever higher hp numbers at the cost of pretty much everything else has generated engines that aren't all that useful for road use. In some cases I'd question whether they're actually fit for purpose outside of a racetrack.

Frankly, if dumping the myth that hp is the be-all and end-all for bike engines results in engines that are simply better for road use then by all means lower hp numbers.

If you really think you need 200hp by all means go for it, but if you're looking to get that from a normally aspirated 1000cc at 15000rpm then don't expect it to be delivered without serious compromises.

[AllanB]

I'm not sure you could call the 1290 bland.

For decades there's been one main thing that's sold sportsbikes: the number on the brochure under the heading: Horsepower.

And the pursuit of ever higher hp numbers at the cost of pretty much everything else has generated engines that aren't all that useful for road use. In some cases I'd question whether they're actually fit for purpose outside of a racetrack.

Frankly, if dumping the myth that hp is the be-all and end-all for bike engines results in engines that are simply better for road use then by all means lower hp numbers.

If you really think you need 200hp by all means go for it, but if you're looking to get that from a normally aspirated 1000cc at 15000rpm then don't expect it to be delivered without serious compromises.

I don't disagree. I test rode a very low km 1090 Streetfighter before the 848 and it was too mental for my riding. 848 is nuts enough for me BUT still has a f-me factor that is often missing when they detune a IL4. Either keep the burst of love or make the bike so friggen torque ripe that it makes a HD look like a starter motor.

[Drew]

That's interesting. One of the things I remember about earlier Tuono's was how good the front end felt, like holding the front wheel spindle with your hands. It gave me huge confidence, felt like a big Supermoto.

Really, because I never liked the front end on the old RSV. The 99-03 was too slow in the steering. The 04 was nimble, once I learned to brake with one finger because the things were touchy as fuck.

[Gremlin]

Euro's get the naked thing - full snot without the plastic, the Japanese makers 'retune' (one cannot say detune as the marketign team will not permit it) their full snot engines for nakeds.

HOWEVER

Given the nakeds are purchased for road use is a retune from top end to midrange a bad thing? No it it retains some interest - yes if it results in a bit of blandness.
Disagreed, it's in the delivery. I had a 990SM and the CB919 at the same time. On paper very similar HP (a "lowly" 115 ish), but very different in real life. The CB delivered it higher up (leftover traits from the Fireblade) but still had excellent low down torque. The SM delivers the whole lot *at least what felt like it* all at once right off the bottom of the tach. Loft the front wheel at 15kph with no effort, also power wheelie in 3rd... all from 115hp.

I don't want an HP race, and 120hp is more than enough... (at least when it's done right) :love:

[nzspokes]

Disagreed, it's in the delivery. I had a 990SM and the CB919 at the same time. On paper very similar HP (a "lowly" 115 ish), but very different in real life. The CB delivered it higher up (leftover traits from the Fireblade) but still had excellent low down torque. The SM delivers the whole lot *at least what felt like it* all at once right off the bottom of the tach. Loft the front wheel at 15kph with no effort, also power wheelie in 3rd... all from 115hp.

I don't want an HP race, and 120hp is more than enough... (at least when it's done right) :love:

Keep going like that and i will stick with just me ole VTR. To be fair to it, she went bloody well today.

Im only looking at a new bike for the Safety features....:rolleyes:

[Madness]

Im only looking at a new bike for the Safety features....:rolleyes:

Cheaper to buy bulk hi viz.

[nzspokes]

Cheaper to buy bulk hi viz.

Its Italian, so the bike will be Hi Viz. I dont need to do a road cone impression to match.

[nzspokes]

I'm not sure you could call the 1290 bland.

For decades there's been one main thing that's sold sportsbikes: the number on the brochure under the heading: Horsepower.

And the pursuit of ever higher hp numbers at the cost of pretty much everything else has generated engines that aren't all that useful for road use. In some cases I'd question whether they're actually fit for purpose outside of a racetrack.

Frankly, if dumping the myth that hp is the be-all and end-all for bike engines results in engines that are simply better for road use then by all means lower hp numbers.

If you really think you need 200hp by all means go for it, but if you're looking to get that from a normally aspirated 1000cc at 15000rpm then don't expect it to be delivered without serious compromises.

Interestingly was doing some reading last night. A dyno op found on a pull on the BMW S1000r the butterflys closed a bit at full throttle above 9k rpm. He is seeing that as a way BMW limited the HP on this motor. He is trying to overwrite that part of the program apparently.

Im glad they are not trying this on my motor I must say.

[roogazza]

Here's my project if the GSXS is a disappointment ??? :mellow:
322011
Handlebar kit at the least ,maybe a full fighter jobbie if I can be bothered.

[Ocean1]

Interestingly was doing some reading last night. A dyno op found on a pull on the BMW S1000r the butterflys closed a bit at full throttle above 9k rpm. He is seeing that as a way BMW limited the HP on this motor. He is trying to overwrite that part of the program apparently.

Im glad they are not trying this on my motor I must say.

If there's one thing I've learned about fluid dynamics it's that nothing is obvious, everything affects everything else and most of your guesses will be wrong.

It's quite likely that more flow is achieved beyond those revs with the throttle not quite fully open. Especially if the rest of the system is designed for resonant frequencies aimed at max filling around 9k.

[Drew]

Here's my project if the GSXS is a disappointment ??? :mellow:
322011
Handlebar kit at the least ,maybe a full fighter jobbie if I can be bothered.

Just buy another early bandit. That thing suited you to the ground.

[nzspokes]

If there's one thing I've learned about fluid dynamics it's that nothing is obvious, everything affects everything else and most of your guesses will be wrong.

It's quite likely that more flow is achieved beyond those revs with the throttle not quite fully open. Especially if the rest of the system is designed for resonant frequencies aimed at max filling around 9k.

Which why I dont want them to try it on my motor.....:shit:

[roogazza]

Just buy another early bandit. That thing suited you to the ground.

Probably dead right Drew, I still have all the bits to make another. Trouble is all the 1st series bandits are getting old and fucked now.(like me ?).:weep:

[nzspokes]

Probably dead right Drew, I still have all the bits to make another. Trouble is all the 1st series bandits are getting old and fucked now.(like me ?).:weep:

Im selling a K4 1200, next best thing? :lol:

I prefer the Gixxer idea myself.

[Drew]

Probably dead right Drew, I still have all the bits to make another. Trouble is all the 1st series bandits are getting old and fucked now.(like me ?).:weep:

Nah man. $4k gets a real good one owned by some pensioner since new that's never been raped.

Oh, sorry mate. Yours definitely had been raped though.

Trick is to buy one that the guy never put the free two brothers pipe on. They have traveled the distance of the globe five times, but they're mint.

[AllanB]

Which why I dont want them to try it on my motor.....:shit:

You need to buy one first to stuff it up.

Man-up and make a purchase - all the bikes you've looked at a too much for road use and handle fantastically and brake amazingly. Picking a colour should be the hardest part.

[nzspokes]

Man-up and make a purchase

I has to wait a while. But fun talking about bikes on here for a change.

Speaking of which I was chatting with an SDR owner today. He said the 100k + wheelies were fun.

[Drew]

I has to wait a while. But fun talking about bikes on here for a change.

Speaking of which I was chatting with an SDR owner today. He said the 100k + wheelies were fun.

What wheelies aren't fun?

[nzspokes]

2017 SDR, meeting Euro 4 and more electronics.

[AllanB]

Do you give a shit what ghey Euro rating it meets? I don't. Fucking noise police.

[nzspokes]

Do you give a shit what ghey Euro rating it meets? I don't. Fucking noise police.

Not at all. But it means they have to change the bike. Not keen on the split light deal.

[nzspokes]

SDR sounds good on the dyno.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3odVwap71YE

[AllanB]

Yes it does!. I still like the upper lower pipe on the pre-production release best. And the crazy wheel paint.

Oddly I don't see many around on the road. Strike me as a suitably mental beast for NZ roads.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQJziozn7CY

[Ocean1]

Yes it does!. I still like the upper lower pipe on the pre-production release best. And the crazy wheel paint.

Oddly I don't see many around on the road. Strike me as a suitably mental beast for NZ roads.

Apparently you can get decal things to make the wheels look like that.

And yeah, I liked the RC8 style zorst too.

No so keen on most of the aftermarket dirt bike style slip-ons.

[Drew]

Apparently you can get decal things to make the wheels look like that.

And yeah, I liked the RC8 style zorst too.

No so keen on most of the aftermarket dirt bike style slip-ons.
Akropovic do a cool system...if ya wanna mortgage your house like.

[Ocean1]

Akropovic do a cool system...if ya wanna mortgage your house like.

They do some nice work, but I need my house more than I need another 15hp.

Although it's probably 15Kg lighter too...

[nzspokes]

I have the Tuono 1100 Factory.Awesome bike, 9000ks so far, no problems.

Quick question, how far do you go on a tank?

[AllanB]

Quick question, how far do you go on a tank?

Aw man. You are missing the point of the bike. You go as far as you go. And you bloody enjoy it. Filling up with fuel is a pleasure as you can reflect on the awsomeness of your purchase and glow in the attention your ride is getting.

It's not a Bandit.

[nzspokes]

Aw man. You are missing the point of the bike. You go as far as you go. And you bloody enjoy it. Filling up with fuel is a pleasure as you can reflext on the awsomeness of your purchase and glow in the attention your ride is getting.

It's not a Bandit.

I do know this, but still important when touring. I will be happy if over 200.

[nzspokes]

More I think about it the more a Gixxer 1000 with risers seems a great idea.

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[AllanB]

More I think about it the more a Gixxer 1000 with risers seems a great idea.

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New

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1082053415.htm

Or almost ...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1095489110.htm

Or - touring package nakedish

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-944321533.htm

[desmoto]

Quick question, how far do you go on a tank?

About 200k

[nzspokes]

The New SDR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5v1xZoRKS8

[Gremlin]

The New SDR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5v1xZoRKS8
And the video that wanted to play straight after :laugh:

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[Ocean1]

And the video that wanted to play straight after :laugh:

Clutch? Pull up on bars? Hard to understand what he's saying a bit but his SDR seems to be down on torque compared to mine. By more than one gear.

Mine will lift the front wheel off the throttle only in 3rd at just about any revs. 4th gear you have to be over about 4500rpm. It lifts the front in 5th at full throttle as the revs go through 5500rpm and if you, (or the TC) don't back off you'd be on your arse.

You do need clutch to get it up in 6th, but it's not something I like doing. :baby:

I've noticed several reports on SDRs that leave me puzzled about lack of promised power, Mossy test rode one and was disappointed. He had a Kwaka 1400 at that stage, but even so I've come to the conclusion that there's often a big difference bike to bike. I've noticed exactly that on the several occasions I've ridden supposedly identical bikes, but of course none of them have been new.

[nzspokes]

Clutch? Pull up on bars? Hard to understand what he's saying a bit but his SDR seems to be down on torque compared to mine. By more than one gear.

Mine will lift the front wheel off the throttle only in 3rd at just about any revs. 4th gear you have to be over about 4500rpm. It lifts the front in 5th at full throttle as the revs go through 5500rpm and if you, (or the TC) don't back off you'd be on your arse.

You do need clutch to get it up in 6th, but it's not something I like doing. :baby:

I've noticed several reports on SDRs that leave me puzzled about lack of promised power, Mossy test rode one and was disappointed. He had a Kwaka 1400 at that stage, but even so I've come to the conclusion that there's a big difference bike to bike. I've noticed exactly that on the several occasions I've ridden supposedly identical bikes, but of course none of them have been new.

Is yours tuned in anyway?

I do think peoples idea of a roll on is different.

[Drew]

Is yours tuned in anyway?

I do think peoples idea of a roll on is different.

Stock standard, the 1290 will hoist the wheel in 4th gear without a tug on the bars. Just open the throttle at 3000rpm and wait.

[Ocean1]

Is yours tuned in anyway?

I do think peoples idea of a roll on is different.

Bog standard.

I honestly don't pay much attention to professional reviews, they're usually focused on either racing performance or pure numbers, neither of which I'm interested in for a road bike. But. :rolleyes: MCN tested the 1290 as the fastest... no, no, hold on, I'm bloody doing it now... "the best mid-range and roll on speed figures we’ve ever tested and is the most powerful naked bike on the market." And: "4.79 seconds to get from 30-100mph in third gear. That beats any other road bike we’ve ever tested."


Stock standard, the 1290 will hoist the wheel in 4th gear without a tug on the bars. Just open the throttle at 3000rpm and wait.

Pretty much, yeah.

I rarely turn TC off altogether but when I do I'm a little cautious in 1st, even off idle anything like full throttle and you could so easily overcook it. I'm a little chicken in 2nd as well. :baby:

[AllanB]

Wait for the 2017 to turn up later this year and then buy a discounted 2016? There will be F-all difference in the real world riding on NZ roads.

If stats are you thing it may have less hp etc due to stupid Euro regs.

Stop tire kicking and buy something - go for a decent mid-winter slow sales discount.

[nzspokes]

Wait for the 2017 to turn up later this year and then buy a discounted 2016? There will be F-all difference in the real world riding on NZ roads.

If stats are you thing it may have less hp etc due to stupid Euro regs.

Stop tire kicking and buy something - go for a decent mid-winter slow sales discount.

This thread is more about talking about a interesting range of bikes.

My guess is the "Spy Shots" are setup to test market feedback on styling.

[AllanB]

Well in that case my Ducati Streetfighter 848 is most definitely the best supernaked in my garage hands down :bleh:

[nzspokes]

Had a little play on a KTM 1290 GT yesterday. Not a SuperNaked. More a Hypersonic Tourer.

Sadly sounds like they are sold out until March next year.:crazy:

[Ocean1]

Had a little play on a KTM 1290 GT yesterday. Not a SuperNaked. More a Hypersonic Tourer.

Sadly sounds like they are sold out until March next year.:crazy:

You tried an SDR, yes?

In which ways did it feel different?

[nzspokes]

You tried an SDR, yes?

In which ways did it feel different?

Felt the same really. Bars higher I think. Just more stuff out the front and wider tank.

Would be a hard call between them If I was looking that way. Put a screen on a SDR would do the same thing. Heap of extra crap that I dont really think I would use.

They had a used SDR with a decat link and a Akra slipon. Mapped to suit. Bloody hell it was loud. Way too loud. Reckon the stock one sounded better.

[Ocean1]

Felt the same really. Bars higher I think. Just more stuff out the front and wider tank.

Would be a hard call between them If I was looking that way. Put a screen on a SDR would do the same thing. Heap of extra crap that I dont really think I would use.

They had a used SDR with a decat link and a Akra slipon. Mapped to suit. Bloody hell it was loud. Way too loud. Reckon the stock one sounded better.

Hmmm, about what I expected. Based on which I don't know if I'd change either. Although in a year or two I might have more focus on touring, (I wish) and by then there'll be some GTs turning up 2nd hand...

[nzspokes]

Hmmm, about what I expected. Based on which I don't know if I'd change either. Although in a year or two I might have more focus on touring, (I wish) and by then there'll be some GTs turning up 2nd hand...

Well a screen and some panniers and it would be a great touring bike. Factory panniers look Naff and are not hard ones. Wouldnt be hard to graft Givi ones on for much less than the $1500 KTM ones.

[Ocean1]

Well a screen and some panniers and it would be a great touring bike. Factory panniers look Naff and are not hard ones. Wouldnt be hard to graft Givi ones on for much less than the $1500 KTM ones.

I have a hate/hate relationship with screens. Have never come across one that didn't create more discomfort from turbulence than it cured, and I've ridden a lot of bikes with screens. Luckily most people find the standard SDR is surprisingly calm around head height, at least up to walk-home speeds.

Best panniers I've seen are the expandable BMW ones, great design but they've got the cut-out for the zorst inside one, which the SDR doesn't need. So yeah, maybe Givi V35s and a well thought out mount...

[nzspokes]

So yeah, maybe Givi V35s and a well thought out mount...

The Factory panners have mounts that bolt to the subframe. You remove the plastic covers each side. There are threaded holes under there for it.

So something like this (but better quality) should be a piece of piss to make along with not being stupid wide.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=1106662147

[AllanB]

I had the pleasure of inspecting and hearing a Wings slip-on on a big bore KTM yesterday. Very nice pipe. Well priced compared to the big name units too apparently.

http://wingsexhausts.com.au/

[Owl]

I had the pleasure of inspecting and hearing a Wings slip-on on a big bore KTM yesterday. Very nice pipe. Well priced compared to the big name units too apparently.

http://wingsexhausts.com.au/

Yeah they are very nice.:yes:

322434

[nzspokes]

Yeah they are very nice.:yes:

322434

You find the Powersports seat much better than the stocker?

[Owl]

You find the Powersports seat much better than the stocker?

Short answer would be no. Bit more comfort than stock, but the extra 20mm seat height takes a little getting used to.

I probably wouldn't have bothered, only I picked them up cheap on TM.

Overall it's fairly comfortable and I've managed a 1240km day in the saddle without too much discomfort.

[sil3nt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS006fts44E

[nzspokes]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS006fts44E

Interesting result, thanks for posting it.

[EJK]

Superbike group test video

<img width="500" src="http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6s7r9eabU1rwqrnyo1_400.gif" />

[nzspokes]

<img width="500" src="http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6s7r9eabU1rwqrnyo1_400.gif" />

BMW didn't do to well......

[george formby]

Bugger. I leap on to KB to post a 10 hour old video and....................... Yama haaaaaa. That's the Japanese manufacturer having a renaissance.

Must admit, you would have to be a very good rider, ignorant of the law and picky, not to like any of them. But, where's the Tuoohno?

Oh, like the big fulla said, "wow", brakes. That was a big surprise. What tires are on the MT10?

[AllanB]

Here's my opinion of the video.

It's all bollocks.

The are all fantastic bikes performing well beyond most riders ability. Shit I'd never use that much power on the road!

If it was my coin - it would come down to the bike/deal I found suited me best. Even if it comes down to physical appeal of the ride - it's your money, your ride.

Oh wait - that's how I ended up on my Ducati :niceone: Life is bloody wonderful.

As a side note - physical appeal is subjective - but I could not buy a bike I did not find physically appealing - hey I;m a visual beast, if it down not put a grin on my face as I pass it in the garage I'm not interested.

[george formby]

Here's my opinion of the video.

It's all bollocks.

The are all fantastic bikes performing well beyond most riders ability. Shit I'd never use that much power on the road!

If it was my coin - it would come down to the bike/deal I found suited me best. Even if it comes down to physical appeal of the ride - it's your money, your ride.

Oh wait - that's how I ended up on my Ducati :niceone: Life is bloody wonderful.

As a side note - physical appeal is subjective - but I could not buy a bike I did not find physically appealing - hey I;m a visual beast, if it down not put a grin on my face as I pass it in the garage I'm not interested.

Delicious post.
All bollocks? No, just another opinion. All fantastic bikes? Ohhhhh yes! Bike/deal? Absolutely. Wonderful? Deep joy.

My caveat is that I prefer performance and good design over looks. When I think of how my bikes look I visualise what I see sitting on it. Is it cleanable, how easy to change the oil etc? That's what I would start thinking about after the shocking test ride. We all have separate priority's for bikes.
Having said all that. Me and my bud were talking about a bike to keep in the shed next to the practical ones last night. Something to stick an evil grin on your face starting it, a bit hooligan but lowish seat height, power wheelies, temporarily tourable. hairpin and fast sweeper friendly.
His bike of choice for Northland? Ducati Hyperstrada. I'd never heard of it but reckon he does have a good case for best sub sonic, all rounder, hooligan bike.

[AllanB]

Me and my bud were talking about a bike to keep in the shed next to the practical ones last night. Something to stick an evil grin on your face starting it, a bit hooligan but lowish seat height, power wheelies, temporarily tourable. hairpin and fast sweeper friendly.
His bike of choice for Northland? Ducati Hyperstrada. I'd never heard of it but reckon he does have a good case for best sub sonic, all rounder, hooligan bike.

He has a point. I seriously looked at the Hyper last year compared to the Streetfighter. Strada is a hyper that tours well! Fun! Me - I've one of those motorcyle based backpacks - figure that will do me for a overnight 450/450 km spin from Christchurch to Nelson or Wanaka. Hmm may need another night north to enjoy the Takaka hill ............

Hyperstrada has a new donk for 2016.

[Drew]

Here's my opinion of the video.

It's all bollocks.

The are all fantastic bikes performing well beyond most riders ability. Shit I'd never use that much power on the road!

If it was my coin - it would come down to the bike/deal I found suited me best. Even if it comes down to physical appeal of the ride - it's your money, your ride.

Oh wait - that's how I ended up on my Ducati :niceone: Life is bloody wonderful.

As a side note - physical appeal is subjective - but I could not buy a bike I did not find physically appealing - hey I;m a visual beast, if it down not put a grin on my face as I pass it in the garage I'm not interested.
I'm not convinced you understand the common biker.

[AllanB]

I'm not convinced you understand the common biker.

I suspect you are right Drew - enlighten me :-)

[Drew]

I suspect you are right Drew - enlighten me :-)

More power is better (even if we can't control what we've got).

Lighter bike is better (even though we don't notice any advantage at all).

Better brakes are...better (even though shitty brakes by comparison will introduce our face to the pavement already).

The list goes on. As for the ever elusive enlightenment? So we can wank about how great our bike is and feel all superior till the next cunt gets something better.

[boman]

BMW didn't do to well......

I am surprised. But for the money does any other bike offer the features. i.e. Cruise control, heated grips and LED indicators. Or will you have to spend extra to get these.

And I regularly stop and look at my BMW and say wow. That was fun...

[Ocean1]

More power is better (even if we can't control what we've got).

Lighter bike is better (even though we don't notice any advantage at all).

Better brakes are...better (even though shitty brakes by comparison will introduce our face to the pavement already).

The list goes on. As for the ever elusive enlightenment? So we can wank about how great our bike is and feel all superior till the next cunt gets something better.

What cunt? He's lying, it's a piece of shit!

[nzspokes]

More power is better (even if we can't control what we've got).

Lighter bike is better (even though we don't notice any advantage at all).

Better brakes are...better (even though shitty brakes by comparison will introduce our face to the pavement already).

The list goes on. As for the ever elusive enlightenment? So we can wank about how great our bike is and feel all superior till the next cunt gets something better.

Let me help you.

Of course more power is better. Makes for safer overtaking.

Lighter is better, means i can carry more crap on the bike and still keep up.

Brakes, ABS will be more saferer than the average rider.

My bike is better than yours......

[AllanB]

I enjoyed that.

I've never been bothered with the next new thing. Possibly a lack of budget thing, would this change if I had the coin? Can't answer but would like the opportunity to find out!


Possibly more due to self awareness that no doubt how fancy my ride is my inbuilt desire to keep it on the road keeps the stupid down to a manageable level and I'll be passed by a 'keener' rider on a older model.

The good think about limited bike budget is you tend to purchase fairly rarely - last before the Ducati last year was my Hornet 900 back in 2007 - a 8 year gap means there tends to be very noticeable improvements in the bikes running gear. You get at least two or three years thinking you have the greatest friggen bike in the world before thinking of fettling suspenders etc .... Farkles and goodies is another story - that starts within a week :-)

[nzspokes]

I was very surprised by the brake test. People in tests say the MT10 has weak brakes.

[AllanB]

I was very surprised by the brake test. People in tests say the MT10 has weak brakes.

You know what I have found with this - it's generally a seat of the pants comment about lever feel. Has little bearing on cold hard testing.

A bit like adding a can to a modern sport bike with no ECU alteration - you'll be told it is heaps quicker, but really it's louder and you feel quicker. Plus you paid a lot for it so it must be noticeably faster :-)

[Gremlin]

Farkles and goodies is another story - that starts within a week :-)
And doesn't stop :scratch:

[george formby]

You know what I have found with this - it's generally a seat of the pants comment about lever feel. Has little bearing on cold hard testing.

A bit like adding a can to a modern sport bike with no ECU alteration - you'll be told it is heaps quicker, but really it's louder and you feel quicker. Plus you paid a lot for it so it must be noticeably faster :-)

Yup, my thoughts on the brake "feel" is that the Yam does not give you the impression of going over the bars with the first 5mm of travel at the lever.

[Ocean1]

Yup, my thoughts on the brake "feel" is that the Yam does not give you the impression of going over the bars with the first 5mm of travel at the lever.

Which is the reason I didn't buy a Ducati Hypermotard a few years ago, any serious retardation and you'd be wearing the top triple clamp on your crotch. Lovely bike, but that bit was ridiculous.

[Blackbird]

......any serious retardation and you'd be wearing the top triple clamp on your crotch.

I actually did that early in my riding career. I was riding a Triumph 350cc twin which has a rather prominent steering damper knob sticking vertically out of the top yoke. A car turned in front of me without indicating, I was too close and the resultant impact saw me going over the bars with my manhood snagging the steering damper on the way out. With the size of the purple plums in my trousers, I walked like John Wayne for a week :shutup: The memory hasn't dimmed over 5 decades!

[george formby]

I actually did that early in my riding career. I was riding a Triumph 350cc twin which has a rather prominent steering damper knob sticking vertically out of the top yoke. A car turned in front of me without indicating, I was too close and the resultant impact saw me going over the bars with my manhood snagging the steering damper on the way out. With the size of the purple plums in my trousers, I walked like John Wayne for a week :shutup: The memory hasn't dimmed over 5 decades!

:shit:LOL, I've snagged the boys a couple of times going over the bars in my yoof. I had a trailie with a very prominent fuel cap on a steep tank which occasionally refused at a ditch. I have a lovely purple crease on my baw bag which I used to display after drinking tequila, at the time of affliction it was a blood blister the size of a blind cobblers thumb.

Ahhh, happy days.

[nzspokes]

So looked at the MT-10 today. A little underwhelmed. Looked a bit like a 900 Hornet with an odd headlight.

[AllanB]

So looked at the MT-10 today. A little underwhelmed. Looked a bit like a 900 Hornet with an odd headlight.

F-O the Hornet is a good looking bike! Actually the Hornet look ace with a MT01 headlight. There ya go.


Get the KTM1290 - one of them and a new GT parked up at Little River this arvo. Nice. Nice Mivv pipe on the 1290 too ...... rowdy bugger :niceone:


I still think they are a bloody horny looking ride.

[Ocean1]

:shit:LOL, I've snagged the boys a couple of times going over the bars in my yoof. I had a trailie with a very prominent fuel cap on a steep tank which occasionally refused at a ditch. I have a lovely purple crease on my baw bag which I used to display after drinking tequila, at the time of affliction it was a blood blister the size of a blind cobblers thumb.

Ahhh, happy days.

Early 70's Yamaha DT's had particularly unfriendly fuel caps, with the rear facing keyway.

A lot of steel dirt bike tanks used to have amusing dents on top, aft of amidships, surprisingly a lot of riders didn't recall making them...

[nzspokes]

Saw a black MT10 yesterday. Must say its a very nice looking bike. :cool:

[DMNTD]

2016 Tuono Factory...FTW! That is all :eek: