Tobacco tax racist towards Maori?

[The End]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11647467



Dr Glover said anti-smoking policies such as the higher taxes, and recent decisions by Wellington and Hutt councils to ban smoking in open public spaces, were now effectively a form of discrimination.

"It is now illegal to discriminate against people on the grounds of ethnicity, age, mental illness or sexuality, but there is this handy tool now which is smoking, which [is] concentrated with higher prevalence amongst the 'undesirables'.

"So people are now, I believe, using smoking as a legitimate and legal way to ... discriminate against people."

She said Maori, and especially Maori women, had the highest smoking rates "because of the cumulative stress of the environment".

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Jeff Sichoe]

as counter-productive as it may be, if I was unemployed i'd sure as fuck smoke heaps more smokes.

the problem with having a job is you can't just sit around smoking all day.

so perhaps if these maori women got jobs, they'd smoke less?

[Doppleganger]

Just fukin ban smoking and be done with it, no more winging about racism then aye

[Akzle]

smoking needs to be made mandatory from highschool through uni. any pussies that get cancer obviously aren't genetically superior enough to breed, or work.

smokers are better than other people.

[FlangMasterJ]

"because of the cumulative stress of the environment"

Nothing more stressful than having to get up before midday and having to collect your benefit cheque.

Poor souls, when is someone going to give them a break?

[mashman]

as counter-productive as it may be, if I was unemployed i'd sure as fuck smoke heaps more smokes.

the problem with having a job is you can't just sit around smoking all day.

so perhaps if these maori women got jobs, they'd smoke less?

I smoke less now that I'm unemployed. You're just weak. :msn-wink:

[FlangMasterJ]

I smoke less now that I'm unemployed. You're just weak. :msn-wink:

http://i.imgur.com/lBYwEDm.gif?noredirect

[BuzzardNZ]

They should switch to this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhf0CTtAgf4

[Gremlin]

Wasn't there a one-eyed Dr at Auckland University that spouted this kind of crazy stuff? One would swear they're the same person.

I can only hope that it's a piss take, because a blanket tax being labelled racist is ridiculous. Everyone has access to the same resources to help them quit, but if you can't be arsed, then why should anyone make special allowance for you?

[Akzle]

ill remind everyone that i'm happy to ship tobaco plants/seeds around the place for 5 buck and a bag of chips.

[Maha]

ill remind everyone that i'm happy to ship tobaco plants/seeds around the place for 5 buck and a bag of chips.

You're ill? sorry to read that.

[Woodman]

as counter-productive as it may be, if I was unemployed i'd sure as fuck smoke heaps more smokes.

the problem with having a job is you can't just sit around smoking all day.

so perhaps if these maori women got jobs, they'd smoke less?

Funny, was thinking this the other day. Workers can't smoke during work time so the people that can smoke any time are non workers so a bulk of their benefit goes towards smokes instead of necessities, so again the workers are paying for lazy fucks with no self control to sit around smoking.

And the guy in the herald article is a fucken moron.

[WristTwister]

Dame Tariana said the policy of raising taxes was intended to save lives.
"This is not about being racist, because it was me who brought it in. There is absolutely no way that race comes into the argument," she said.
"This particular initiative was about stopping the uptake of cigarettes by young people, and that has worked."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11647612

[Akzle]

Funny, was thinking this the other day. Workers can't smoke during work time so the people that can smoke any time are non workers

so what your saying is that it's those whining hippy greeny fucks that had smoking in the work place banned who are at fault.
Burn the cunts.

[Drew]

Just fukin ban smoking and be done with it, no more winging about racism then aye

That creates a bigger hole in the budget, than the cost of smokers on the health system.

[JimO]

let them smoke as much as they like it saves having to pay out the pension

[Akzle]

That creates a bigger hole in the budget, than the cost of smokers on the health system.

actually smokers are a nett benefit to the health system. Several times over.

[Maha]

Wise up, you can't be racist against stupidity. Even referring to smokers as dumb fucks can't be considered racist because it's just plain ole fact.

[Madness]

Wise up, you can't be racist against stupidity. Even referring to smokers as dumb fucks can't be considered racist because it's just plain ole fact.

Aren't you a former smoker?

[mashman]

actually smokers are a nett benefit to the health system. Several times over.

I thought that's what Drew was saying.

[Maha]

Aren't you a former smoker?

I wised up to the false thought that smoking was okay in Jan' 2010, put the $5K I was spending on smokes towards new motorbikes in the years that followed. I take you're still contributing?

[Drew]

Wise up, you can't be racist against stupidity. Even referring to smokers as dumb fucks can't be considered racist because it's just plain ole fact.

I don't really care what people call us. I make a choice to smoke, and my bullshit excuse for not giving up varies from time to time.

[Maha]

I don't really care what people call us. I make a choice to smoke, and my bullshit excuse for not giving up varies from time to time.

Accept that non smokers don't really care either Drew.

[Madness]

I wised up to the false thought that smoking was okay in Jan' 2010, put the $5K I was spending on smokes towards new motorbike. I take you're still contributing?

I quit 2 years ago. I don't consider myself any less stupid today though and often feel like one. If I could have afforded it I'd probably still be smoking, I enjoyed it. The fuckers do stink though I've gotta say.

[Drew]

Accept that non smokers don't really care either Drew.

Nothing to accept.

[Grumph]

Saw this crazy woman on the news tonight who's behind this theory...

Easy fix to several problems at once - At point of sale, on production of proof purchaser is registered to vote in a maori seat - tax will be waived...

At least the maori party have enough brains to tell her she's talking rubbish.

[Woodman]

so what your saying is that it's those whining hippy greeny fucks that had smoking in the work place banned who are at fault.
Burn the cunts.

No, the lazy fucks I am talking about are too lazy to be greenies or protest.

[scumdog]

smokers are better than other people.

Better WHAT? - suckers?

[Jin]

http://img.memecdn.com/Racism-Humans-Business_o_129064.webp

[slofox]

No smoking in public places would suit me.

When people were allowed to smoke inside, I didn't have to wade through a cloud of smoke every time I walked down the CBD sidewalk. Which is what I have had to do ever since the ban on indoors was put in place. Because at "smoko", all the smokers gather in a group beside the footpath and have indeed, a smoko. Of the old fashioned sort. Best we build huge halls with giant extractor fans and very tall chimneys and make them available to all smokers. Kinda like smoke pubs...

I had a go at a health dept rep about that once when I had a wine shop that also sold cigars. I got hassled because I had cigars in a humidor on the counter. I suggested I suspend it from the ceiling about 25mm above the counter. Would that do please Miss? It all went a bit septic about there and the intended humour was swallowed by a stony acidic look from Frau Scowly. So I hassled her about having to pass through great clouds of smoke in town. She didn't really reply but she eased up a bit about then.

[HenryDorsetCase]

actually smokers are a nett benefit to the health system. Several times over.

Source please :)

[Akzle]

I thought that's what Drew was saying.

i though he was calling the health sustem an a hole... Or something.

[Akzle]

Source please :)

i believe it was massey university that crunched the numbers.

[Jin]

i believe it was massey university that crunched the numbers.
Check the mcleod tax report its referenced in there. I think the report said it was time to lay off the smokers they already pay enough. That was about 15 years ago.

Smokers contribute far more than they'll ever get back from smoking related health issues because lung cancer is quick and efficient at doing its job. There's no languishing away for years on a hospital bed for them off they are unlucky enough to get cancer.

[Akzle]

http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/blogs/nick-smith/3348543/No-more-sin-taxes-please


i realise that "stuff" isnt a source. But when i google i get bombarded with quitline, anti smoking and other jew shit. And cbf doing a wade through.

[Akzle]

Smokers contribute far more than they'll ever get back from smoking related health issues because lung cancer is quick and efficient at doing its job. There's no languishing away for years on a hospital bed for them off they are unlucky enough to get cancer.

in the first bit you seem to be saying smoking=cancer then you go on to say it's about luck?

(it doesn't cause cancer. At all)

[Akzle]

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2016/05/27/smoking-tax-hike-is-shortsighted-smoke-and-mirrors-budget-2016/

[Akzle]

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1601/S00003/tobacco-tax-increase-new-report.htm

[Voltaire]

in the first bit you seem to be saying smoking=cancer then you go on to say it's about luck?

(it doesn't cause cancer. At all)

Only if you smoke Camels.
http://householdname.typepad.com/.a/6a00e5502b6df488340115702c235f970b-pi

Ronnie lived a long time.
http://www.fairwarning.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/RonaldReagan1.jpg

[Maha]

i believe it was massey university that crunched the numbers.

You have gone from ''Actually'' to ''I believe it was'' that's not supplying the source of your original statement is it?



actually smokers are a nett benefit to the health system. Several times over.

[Banditbandit]

I don't really care what people call us. I make a choice to smoke, and my bullshit excuse for not giving up varies from time to time.

I'm with him ..



Accept that non smokers don't really care either Drew.



Then non-smokers should accept that we don't really give a fuck about them either ...

[Maha]

Then non-smokers should accept that we don't really give a fuck about them either ...

Yes that is to be expected and widely accepted of smokers.

[awa355]

actually smokers are a nett benefit to the health system. Several times over.


Source please :)

A quick survey of 8 others living in the same caravan park. :shutup:

[Banditbandit]

actually smokers are a nett benefit to the health system. Several times over.


Source please :)

Not the point - the point of the tax is to make us stop smoking ...

If we all do stop smoking then the Government will lose about $1billion a year in income .. but they don't care ..

[Grumph]

Not the point - the point of the tax is to make us stop smoking ...

If we all do stop smoking then the Government will lose about $1billion a year in income .. but they don't care ..

Why do you think English is grinning ? It's a win - win for him.

He's seen to be doing his best to stop smoking - but knows there's still enough hooked to fill the tax coffers nicely....

[scumdog]

A quick survey of 8 others living in the same caravan park. :shutup:


Goats don't smoke.....(unless you set them on fire.)

[Woodman]

How much of the tax take on ciggys comes from beneficiaries spending my hard earned tax dollars on smokes. That needs to be backed out of the equation.

[Akzle]

How much of the tax take on ciggys comes from beneficiaries spending my hard earned tax dollars on smokes. That needs to be backed out of the equation.

all of your tax take goes to beneficiaries. You just happened to vote for a particularly hungry one.

[Voltaire]

Big Tobacco has moved its poison to developing countries.

http://www.tobaccoatlas.org/country-data/indonesia/

Less than a $1 a packet there.
Paula Bennett could spring for flights for the $5k relocation money they are offering.

[Akzle]

Big Tobacco has moved its poison to developing countries.

http://www.tobaccoatlas.org/country-data/indonesia/

Less than a $1 a packet there.
Paula Bennett could spring for flights for the $5k relocation money they are offering.

and they're about 4$ a pack here.
The rest is tax.

[Voltaire]

and they're about 4$ a pack here.
The rest is tax.

Payback for stinking out everywhere back in the 80's, be good to see them moved on from outside eating establishments too.

[Woodman]

Payback for stinking out everywhere back in the 80's, be good to see them moved on from outside eating establishments too.

Agreed, bloody ignorant wankers.

[JATZ]

Agreed, bloody ignorant wankers.
Hey Woodman. :finger:

[pritch]

Once many moons ago in foreign climes NZ Customs made a gift to some of their nation's representatives overseas of seized cigarettes: Chesterfields. I don't wish to appear ungrateful but those things were bloody awful. I can see why they still had them left over after they had got rid of every other brand.

As addicted as I was I would almost rather have gone without than smoke those.

Voltaire , sadly your ad does nothing to improve my impression of the former POTUS.
"They wanted John Wayne, but since he was no longer available they settled for Ronald Reagan." - Gil Scott Heron "B Movie"

[Banditbandit]

Agreed, bloody ignorant wankers.


Hey Woodman. :finger:

Yeah ... I'm with him ... sorry Woodman ... I'm a smoker ... I have a right to kill myself slowly ... so fuck off ..

[haydes55]

Yeah ... I'm with him ... sorry Woodman ... I'm a smoker ... I have a right to kill myself slowly ... so fuck off ..
The problem is those of us who want to go out for a beer or eat a meal in peace and we are forced to breath in smoke.

I don't care if anyone wants to smoke, that's up to them. But if I have to cough and stink like shit for someone else to fuel their addiction, then is it "my right to smoke"?

What about fines for wankers who sit in a crowd and force 20 people to breath their smoke?

[Maha]

Yeah ... I'm with him


I'm with him ..

You seem to like being with 'him' it's starting to sound very suspicious. :shifty:

[Maha]

The problem is those of us who want to go out for a beer or eat a meal in peace and we are forced to breath in smoke.

I don't care if anyone wants to smoke, that's up to them. But if I have to cough and stink like shit for someone else to fuel their addiction, then is it "my right to smoke"?

What about fines for wankers who sit in a crowd and force 20 people to breath their smoke?

When smoking was banned from Bars and shit, people started bringing their fucking kids out for a meal, which was good for the Bar no question but shit for those who want to have a beer without fucking screaming kids running around the place. Take your kids out for tea but keep them in the restaurant part.

I like having the odd beer but I would imagine a smoker would hate it if I stood there and pissed on them, which essentially is akin to what is happening when smokers invade a non smokers immediate area.

[JATZ]

The problem is those of us who want to go out for a beer or eat a meal in peace and we are forced to breath in smoke.

I don't care if anyone wants to smoke, that's up to them. But if I have to cough and stink like shit for someone else to fuel their addiction, then is it "my right to smoke"?

What about fines for wankers who sit in a crowd and force 20 people to breath their smoke?
You don't have to cough and stink like shit ya know...
You could have your beer INSIDE the pub or have your meal INSIDE the restaurant/cafe, places where us leppers have been banned from, it's your choice to sit outside with the people who choose to kill themselves slowly, or be pro active and position yourself up wind
You non smokers should be xtra nice to us... After all, we don't have long to live :lol:

[Woodman]

Hey Woodman. :finger:

Hey Jatz, Maybe I should have said Bloody Moronic Wankers :laugh::laugh:

You are going to make a point of smoking right next to me on our next ride now aren't you.

[Akzle]

The problem is those of us who want to go out for a beer or eat a meal in peace and we are forced to breath in smoke.

I don't care if anyone wants to smoke, that's up to them. But if I have to cough and stink like shit for someone else to fuel their addiction, then is it "my right to smoke"?

What about fines for wankers who sit in a crowd and force 20 people to breath their smoke?

yeah. but i could apply the same argument against townies. like. i don't want to sit in traffic and/or inhale diesel fumes, so gtfo my road.

everyone will always be disturbing someone elses peace. where the line is to be drawn?

[Swoop]

You could have your beer INSIDE the pub or have your meal INSIDE the restaurant/cafe, places where us leppers have been banned from, it's your choice to sit outside with the people who choose to kill themselves slowly

So, you would be quite OK with sitting outside with someone who may be "harmful to the health of others" then?

[Drew]

So, you would be quite OK with sitting outside with someone who may be "harmful to the health of others" then?
Smokers can't choose their area, non smokers can. Sit and suffer, or move indoors.

[Swoop]

Smokers can't choose their area, non smokers can. Sit and suffer, or move indoors.

Just asking. I'm glad that you will be happy to sit outside with me, whilst I'm loading my .357 revolver. It's not harmful to others...

[JATZ]

Just asking. I'm glad that you will be happy to sit outside with me, whilst I'm loading my .357 revolver. It's not harmful to others...


So, you would be quite OK with sitting outside with someone who may be "harmful to the health of others" then?
Yip :yes:
You can do what you like with your .357 but if you look like causing me harm then I'd go somewhere else. Simple really.

[Drew]

Just asking. I'm glad that you will be happy to sit outside with me, whilst I'm loading my .357 revolver. It's not harmful to others...

Oh yeah, that's exactly the same thing.:killingme

[Swoop]

Yip :yes:
You can do what you like with your .357 but if you look like causing me harm then I'd go somewhere else. Simple really.

I'll be sure to load smokeless powder.

[skippa1]

Smoking stinks like fuck but smokers should be able to smoke their heads off as long as they dont impose thier stinking shit on others.....and there in lies the problem........

[Puffin' Billy]

smoking needs to be made mandatory from highschool through uni. any pussies that get cancer obviously aren't genetically superior enough to breed, or work.

smokers are better than other people.

I'm with akzle on this one. preach it brother

[Akzle]

Smoking stinks like fuck but smokers should be able to smoke their heads off as long as they dont impose thier stinking shit on others.....and there in lies the problem........

time and again i hear that.

And time and again people are surprised to find out i smoke, because i dont "stink like fuck"

[Jin]

time and again i hear that.

And time and again people are surprised to find out i smoke, because i dont "stink like fuck"
Hmmm.

Well frankly id be surprised if you didnt stink like fuck.

[Akzle]

Hmmm.

Well frankly id be surprised if you didnt stink like fuck.

come sniff me bro

[skippa1]

I guess that whether you agree about smoking stinking or not........smoking is a choice that a lot of us choose not to partake in.......even if we used to smoke. Smoking can be imposed on those that dont want it, by smokers "exercising their rights" .......and that stinks too....
why should non smokers have to sit indoors on nice evenings at resturants or bars because of smoke?

[Madness]

where the line is to be drawn?

At the end of my nose but not in my back yard, hokay?

[Maha]

Smokers can't choose their area, non smokers can. Sit and suffer, or move indoors.

Restaurants and Bars aside, where do you normally choose to smoke?

[Akzle]

I guess that whether you agree about smoking stinking or not........smoking is a choice that a lot of us choose not to partake in.......even if we used to smoke. Smoking can be imposed on those that dont want it, by smokers "exercising their rights" .......and that stinks too....
why should non smokers have to sit indoors on nice evenings at resturants or bars because of smoke?

and why should i have to put up with anyone elses choice of toxic shampoo wafting on the breeze, their cellular radiation, their talking-shit invading my airspace and offending my ears, their alcohol induced fauxtelligence, rowdiness, their cologne, their diesel exhaust, their made-in-china $80 shirt, their dreadful accent, their inability to put cutlery on a plate without dropping it from a foot above the table.
All of these things genuinely offend me. Why should i have to live in a caravan in the fucking bush just so ignorant cunts can be in town.
Ban them!

[skippa1]

and why should i have to put up with anyone elses choice of toxic shampoo wafting on the breeze, their cellular radiation, their talking-shit invading my airspace and offending my ears, their alcohol induced fauxtelligence, rowdiness, their cologne, their diesel exhaust, their made-in-china $80 shirt, their dreadful accent, their inability to put cutlery on a plate without dropping it from a foot above the table.
All of these things genuinely offend me. Why should i have to live in a caravan in the fucking bush just so ignorant cunts can be in town.
Ban them!
Living in a caravan in the "fucking bush" sounds idyllic to me

[Maha]

Why should i have to live in a caravan in the fucking bush just so ignorant cunts can be in town.


You choose to live where you do because you have little else, and it's not really in the bush is it Robert? Just to clarify things can you see your Uncles house from your 3 berth static dwelling?

[Voltaire]

Been thru HK airport a couple of times, the Smoking Room reminds me of the pubs in the 80's.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4z28RACUAAGk37.jpg
Being a sealed room means that the Smokers get maximum satisfaction.

[Akzle]

Living in a caravan in the "fucking bush" sounds idyllic to me

it is, really.
But still. As said Theres always someone whos peace you will tread on by the choices you make. Smoking is one of the less offensive things, i reckon. Stacked next to litter and pollution you'd think it would be societally irrelevant, but i guess it's an easy thing to keep people distracted with.

[Voltaire]

it is, really.
But still. As said Theres always someone whos peace you will tread on by the choices you make. Smoking is one of the less offensive things, i reckon. Stacked next to litter and pollution you'd think it would be societally irrelevant, but i guess it's an easy thing to keep people distracted with.

Like speeding, easily measured.
I'll go out on a limb here but alcohol is probably more damaging to society....oh hang on....its made here so would be putting jobs at risk, unlike tobacco which is I imagine these days all imported as Motueka has moved onto hops.:rolleyes:

[Maha]

:nya: at smokers who think they're doing the right by standing outside smoking in an open doorway talking to those inside, even when you blow your smoke in the direction of the openness it just drifts inside...why are smokers stupid where this is concerned?

[nodrog]

I remember the good old days when you used to be able to smoke in pubs and night clubs. Sure it smelt like smoke, but it wasn't exactly like burning tyres. The manufactures had actually made an effort into making the smell appealing.

Nowadays when I have been out to a pub or nightclub, it just smells like shit perfume, B.O, farts, vomit, and thrushy Vagina.

I'd rather come home smelling of smoke, rather than a toilet door off a fishing trawler.

[Banditbandit]

You seem to like being with 'him' it's starting to sound very suspicious. :shifty:

Don't get all conspiracy theorist on me now ... Don't even knwo the cat ..


Smokers can't choose their area, non smokers can. Sit and suffer, or move indoors.

YES !!!



Just asking. I'm glad that you will be happy to sit outside with me, whilst I'm loading my .357 revolver. It's not harmful to others...


You are free to load your .357 around me .. if you look like a threat you are toast ...

http://chicagowarrior.blogspot.co.nz/2013/04/dont-bring-gun-to-knife-fight-10-foot.html

[Maha]

I remember the good old days when you used to be able to smoke in pubs and night clubs. Sure it smelt like smoke, but it wasn't exactly like burning tyres. The manufactures had actually made an effort into making the smell appealing.

Nowadays when I have been out to a pub or nightclub, it just smells like shit perfume, B.O, farts, vomit, and thrushy Vagina.

I'd rather come home smelling of smoke, rather than a toilet door off a fishing trawler.

Give ikandi a miss and find a more suitable venue.

just smells like shit perfume, B.O, farts, vomit, and thrushy Vagina. You've just described every MCDondals toilet area, yes including the males.

[skippa1]

I remember the good old days when you used to be able to smoke in pubs and night clubs. Sure it smelt like smoke, but it wasn't exactly like burning tyres. The manufactures had actually made an effort into making the smell appealing.

Nowadays when I have been out to a pub or nightclub, it just smells like shit perfume, B.O, farts, vomit, and thrushy Vagina.

I'd rather come home smelling of smoke, rather than a toilet door off a fishing trawler.
Just to show how old I am, I can remember having a smoke on an NAC flight from Chch to Akl

yeah I know.....reformed smoker....

[Maha]

Been thru HK airport a couple of times, the Smoking Room reminds me of the pubs in the 80's.

Being a sealed room means that the Smokers get maximum satisfaction.

There is one of those rooms (not sure if there still is) at Auckland Airport, even when we were smokers and were heading overseas we couldn't sit/stand in that room for a smoke, there was a small outdoor area that we used.

[Drew]

Just to show how old I am, I can remember having a smoke on an NAC flight from Chch to Akl

yeah I know.....reformed smoker....

The air on aeroplanes was cleaner when they let people smoke on flights. The airlines canned it because of cost, not the health of passengers. The cabin air was replaced every ten minutes or summat when smoking was allowed. Now it's replaced in something like a 1/4 the rate. This costs less fuel to rum the pumps and shit.

It used to smell a wee bit, now it's actually bad for you.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I remember the good old days when you used to be able to smoke in pubs and night clubs. Sure it smelt like smoke, but it wasn't exactly like burning tyres. The manufactures had actually made an effort into making the smell appealing.

Nowadays when I have been out to a pub or nightclub, it just smells like shit perfume, B.O, farts, vomit, and thrushy Vagina.

I'd rather come home smelling of smoke, rather than a toilet door off a fishing trawler.

just cos you didnt score any thrushy vagina.

Thanks for that mental picture by the way. Much obliged.

[HenryDorsetCase]

The air on aeroplanes was cleaner when they let people smoke on flights. The airlines canned it because of cost, not the health of passengers. The cabin air was replaced every ten minutes or summat when smoking was allowed. Now it's replaced in something like a 1/4 the rate. This costs less fuel to rum the pumps and shit.

It used to smell a wee bit, now it's actually bad for you.

right, and secondhand smoke isn't now bad for you?

[Drew]

right, and secondhand smoke isn't now bad for you?

Are you fucken retarded? The air was being replaced at a rate that you were getting less toxic air than you do now. You were getting fuck all smoke if any at the rate it was being pushed out of the cabin.

[BuzzardNZ]

I smoked for 20 odd years. Replaced it with eCigs and ain't looked back.

Cheaper on the wallet and better for your health.

Mind you, it did take some getting used to and it ain't as satisfying as a real ciggie. Still, not had a smoke in almost a year :bye:

[Drew]

I smoked for 20 odd years. Replaced it with eCigs and ain't looked back.

Cheaper on the wallet and better for your health.

Mind you, it did take some getting used to and it ain't as satisfying as a real ciggie. Still, not had a smoke in almost a year :bye:
You're my new hero...now fuck off.

[Maha]

I smoked for 20 odd years. Replaced it with eCigs and ain't looked back.

Cheaper on the wallet and better for your health.

Mind you, it did take some getting used to and it ain't as satisfying as a real ciggie. Still, not had a smoke in almost a year :bye:

That's still smoking, just non toxic and they are also banned from some (if not all) Bars/Clubs etc. You either puff on something or you don't...your habit is still there just not the addiction.

[BuzzardNZ]

That's still smoking, just non toxic and they are also banned from some (if not all) Bars/Clubs etc. You either puff on something or you don't...your habit is still there just not the addiction.

I don't care, it's got me off the ciggies and that's all that counts. I choose to puff and freely admit that I've an addiction, it's just that mines newer and healthier ( so they say ).

The odd thing is all the tabacco flavoured eCigs taste like crap, my fav is coffee , followed closely by banana.

You can get them in differing amounts of nicotine, and I've halved mine already, but on the flip side, you don't smoke them to the butt and kinda never know when you're finished.

Drew as usual, you're a cunt, choke on your ciggie, wanker!

[scumdog]

$26 pack of smokes a day? = $9490 a year:pinch:

I've saved a fortune the year alone!:woohoo::woohoo:

[Maha]

I don't care, it's got me off the ciggies and that's all that counts. I choose to puff and freely admit that I've an addiction, it's just that mines newer and healthier ( so they say ).

The odd thing is all the tabacco flavoured eCigs taste like crap, my fav is coffee , followed closely by banana.

You can get them in differing amounts of nicotine, and I've halved mine already, but on the flip side, you don't smoke them to the butt and kinda never know when you're finished.

Drew as usual, you're a cunt, choke on your ciggie, wanker!

I support those who choose the eCig over cigarettes, I have two sisters that doing just that.

$26 pack of smokes a day? = $9490 a year:pinch:

I've saved a fortune the year alone!:woohoo::woohoo:

The habit was costing me $5K per year. Six and half years later that a fair amount of money that has been spent elsewhere on more important things.

[Madness]

...your habit is still there just not the addiction.


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[BuzzardNZ]

$26 pack of smokes a day? = $9490 a year:pinch:

I've saved a fortune the year alone!:woohoo::woohoo:

52 * $15 = $780... not too bad for eCigs per year :laugh:

[Maha]

It's Willis

The habit is very different from the addiction. The addiction is the nicotine whereas the habit is when you smoke. First thing in the morning, when drinking, when others light up you do, when talking on the phone/driving/straight after a meal etc = habit. Many smokers will get up after a meal and go outside for a smoke, that's habit.

[Madness]

The habit is very different from the addiction. The addiction is the nicotine whereas the habit is when you smoke. First thing in the morning, when drinking, when others light up you do, when talking on the phone/driving/straight after a meal etc = habit.

No shit, Sherlock. Newsflash! "E-Cigarettes" are an alternative method of delivering nicotine to the body so he's hardly shaken the addiction, innit?!?

What's Wallace been smoking, that's the $6.40 question.

[Swoop]

That's still smoking, just non toxic and they are also banned from some (if not all) Bars/Clubs etc.
I was surprised on a recent flight. "Electronic devices..." speech even mentioned NOT using eCiggies on the flight.
Perhaps they also "interfere" with navigational equipment?:msn-wink:

[Maha]

No shit, Sherlock. Newsflash! "E-Cigarettes" are an alternative method of delivering nicotine to the body so he's hardly shaken the addiction, innit?!?

What's Wallace been smoking, that's the $6.40 question.

E Cigs produces a vapour from e-liquid. E-liquid is available with or without nicotine.....Watson.:sherlock: do you take eftpos?

[Madness]

E Cigs produces a vapour from e-liquid. E-liquid is available with or without nicotine.....Watson.:sherlock: do you take eftpos?

And if you switch from smoking cigarettes to vaping a nicotine-filled liquid you're still feeding your addiction. Pretty fucking simple really, innit.

:facepalm:

[Maha]

And if you switch from smoking cigarettes to vaping a nicotine-filled liquid you're still feeding your addiction. Pretty fucking simple really, innit.

:girlfight:

Your original statement was "E-Cigarettes" are an alternative method of delivering nicotine'' which is not accurate, what should have been said was "E-Cigarettes" can be an alternative method of delivering nicotine'' ... simple really innit.

[Madness]

...your habit is still there just not the addiction.


I choose to puff and freely admit that I've an addiction...


Your original statement was "E-Cigarettes" are an alternative method of delivering nicotine'' which is not accurate, what should have been said was "E-Cigarettes" can be an alternative method of delivering nicotine'' ... simple really innit.

You're a cock. It's that simple.

[Katman]

You're a cock. It's that simple.

*Quoted for emphasis*

[Maha]

You're a cock. It's that simple.

Thank you for participating. It really is that simple...:killingme

[Madness]

Thank you for participating. It really is that simple...:killingme

Mangakino. Life really is that boring. Oh well, at least you've found your happy place.

[PrincessBandit]

I remember the good old days when you used to be able to smoke in pubs and night clubs. Sure it smelt like smoke, but it wasn't exactly like burning tyres. The manufactures had actually made an effort into making the smell appealing.

Nowadays when I have been out to a pub or nightclub, it just smells like shit perfume, B.O, farts, vomit, and thrushy Vagina.

I'd rather come home smelling of smoke, rather than a toilet door off a fishing trawler.

Oh the imagery! I guess the bouquet is in the nostrils of the snif-ee but I never could quite get a liking for the odour of ciggies; no matter what the brand. As a non-smoker I've arrived home with hair stinking of cigarette smoke, and clothes stinking of spilled beer (shoes too) and been grossed out by it, especially the next morning when about to put the washing on.
Shit perfume, farts, b.o. - hey you smell that anywhere. As for thrushy vagina, my daughter made me laugh when she described being in our local mall (Southmall) as it stinking like unwashed vag.

[PrincessBandit]

Back on topic though, I wonder if it was us whiteys that were the heaviest smoking demographic whether it would still be considered a racist issue? Probably not 'cos racism only seems to work in any direction that's not white.

[Akzle]

fucken crackers

[Maha]

Smoking was accepted when the majority of smokers here in NZ were White folk. The white smoking population just wised earlier on the cost to both life and pocket than the Maori/Polly smokers. The smoking majority now is non white and that is partly due to the imagination laws, not racists at all...more Government policy. Asian/Polynesian are well documented heavy smokers.

[Katman]

The smoking majority now is non white and that is partly due to the imagination laws, not racists at all...more Government policy.

:facepalm:

[sidecar bob]

Ironic really that the Govt created an entire generation of smokers and their children & grandchildren, by giving WW2 soldiers as many cigarettes at they wanted.
They are looking for a return on their investment now I'd guess.

[Woodman]

Did Maoris smoke pre Euro?

[sidecar bob]

Did Maoris smoke pre Euro?

No, they didn't have Blankets or muskets either apparently.:msn-wink:

[Maha]

Z Stations (the most targeted) should stop selling cigarettes, no thief will break in to steal energy drinks and muffins = problem solved.

[Banditbandit]

partly due to the imagination laws,

Yes - our Government imagines something will happen when they pass such laws ...

People prove them wrong ..

[mashman]

Any of you guys vape tobacco? Still taste ok etc...?

[BuzzardNZ]

Any of you guys vape tobacco? Still taste ok etc...?

I do and yes.

[mashman]

I do and yes.

O for superb :niceone:

Did you buy it locally?

[BuzzardNZ]

O for superb :niceone:

Did you buy it locally?

I've got it from these guys before http://www.shosha.co.nz/stores

[mashman]

I've got it from these guys before http://www.shosha.co.nz/stores

Was all geared to visit those guys today... but a mate mentioned the was a shop at Mungavin and so I went there yesterday. Knowledgeable guy who brought me up to speed really quickly... and so he reaped the rewards, much to his surprise, when I left with his most expensive model.

Am I still classed as a smoker? ha!

[Madness]

...but a mate mentioned the was a shop at Mungavin and so I went there yesterday. Knowledgeable guy who brought me up to speed really quickly... and so he reaped the rewards...

Jack the tobacconist on Mungavin? Used to be called Discount Cigarettes or such like but that was deemed illegal in the last round of tobacco law reform.

Jack's a real G.C and as mad as a meataxe when riding a Harley.

[mashman]

Jack the tobacconist on Mungavin? Used to be called Discount Cigarettes or such like but that was deemed illegal in the last round of tobacco law reform.

Jack's a real G.C and as mad as a meataxe when riding a Harley.

Yeah that's the fulla. Discount Supplies I think he is now. As ya say, G.C! so much so I sent a mate down there later to grab his vaping gear even though it was a few bucks more expensive than elsewhere. Service with a smile and much more of a conversation than initially expected :laugh:

[Madness]

Yeah that's the fulla. Discount Supplies I think he is now. As ya say, G.C! so much so I sent a mate down there later to grab his vaping gear even though it was a few bucks more expensive than elsewhere. Service with a smile and much more of a conversation than initially expected :laugh:

It's not every day you strike someone as passionate about their business and its products as Jack is. Is he still smoking behind the counter?

[mashman]

It's not every day you strike someone as passionate about their business and its products as Jack is. Is he still smoking behind the counter?

That's a damned fine description. He wasn't smoking when I was there. Will likely go down again over the next couple of days and have a chat about oils as my tobacco tastes like Shreddies... and whilst I really really like Shreddies, a little variety doesn't hurt. At least I know where to go be pointed in the right direction.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/82/Packet-shreddies-original.jpg

[yokel]

"bro, Monique says you're dumb"

http://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/teacher-bias-against-maori-students---study-2016071012#axzz4E4rh2IbF

I guess Monique is a school teacher?

There there poor maoris, it's not your fault you're dumb so there's nothing you can do about it.

[russd7]

Z Stations (the most targeted) should stop selling cigarettes, no thief will break in to steal energy drinks and muffins = problem solved.

actually, this is true to a point, a small country garage was gettin broken in to every cple o months until he stopped selling smokes. hasn't been broken in to since

[Banditbandit]

"bro, Monique says you're dumb"

http://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/teacher-bias-against-maori-students---study-2016071012#axzz4E4rh2IbF

I guess Monique is a school teacher?

There there poor maoris, it's not your fault you're dumb so there's nothing you can do about it.

At least most of us are a little brighter than you ...

[TheDemonLord]

At least most of us are a little brighter than you ...

To be fair, I would wager that a Black Hole would be brighter than Yokel.

[JustNick]

Sounds like a fun game. "Things that are brighter than Yokel". I'll start.

A balloon.

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[Akzle]

the obligatory box of hammers.

that shit gets me every time.

[Banditbandit]

Sounds like a fun game. "Things that are brighter than Yokel". I'll start.



A Triumph six-volt headlight ...

[FlangMasterJ]

The hardest thing about vaping is telling your parents you're gay.

[yokel]

A Triumph six-volt headlight ...

Just for a laugh, tell me using your liberal 'logic' how you're equal to a woman?

[Banditbandit]

Just for a laugh, tell me using your liberal 'logic' how you're equal to a woman?

Your question is based on a false premise ... and therefore is impossible to answer in that form.

How about you tell us if you have stopped beating your wife yet?