Bus Lanes, Bus Only Lanes, Lane filtering, etc

[Old Steve]

On Sunday I went to a half day course sponsored by AT on Commuting by motorbike. If you're an Auckland bike commuter I'd recommend attending, if only for the info on free motorbike parking in the city - eg. Downtown AT carpark has about 80 free bike parks on the top level. Well worth the $10 it cost, thank you AT for paying for the ProRider instructors and sending a representative along to clarify ACC regulations which impact motorbikes :2thumbsup

But a couple of pieces of information I found really interesting were:

Bus Lane vs Bus Only Lane:

Motorbikes are allowed to use lanes marked "BUS LANE".

Motorbikes are NOT allowed to use lanes marked "BUS ONLY", Bus Only lanes are almost exclusively on the motorways such as the Northern Busway, and AT are planning extensions of Bus Only lanes throughout the motorway system.

The on ramp entering the Northern Motorway heading south from Esmonde Road is a "BUS ONLY" lane, one of the attendees had been stopped on it twice though only warned each time. If heading south on the Northern Motorway, don't go around the Onewa Rd interchange on the Bus Only bypass!

White "B" traffic lights:

If using a Bus Lane and stopped at the head of the queue ahead of a bus, a motorbike is allowed to use the White "B" traffic signal to cross the road so as not to hold up the bus. These bus only signals are activated by a transponder on the bus, so if there's no bus behind you the White "B" traffic light won't come on.

Traffic lights which don't cycle:

Traffic lights are triggered by an induction coil, if there is a traffic light which your bike regularly doesn't trigger let AT know as the system is adjustable. I don't think I received an answer to what I should do at such a light, the rider's consensus was to wait a couple of cycles and then proceed with care when the way is clear.

Lane Filtering:

One of the ProRider instructors defined Lane Splitting as legal, IF passing a car on its right while keeping to the left of the lane marking. He said a couple of Cops had attended courses and they'd stated informally that they overlooked minor lane splitting breaches if the rider is not being foolish, eg. maximum of only 20 - 25 km/hr difference in speed with the traffic being passed. Apparently right hand indicator is OK, hazard lights are illegal. Though I'd have thought that when lane splitting, I was the hazard. (Personal comment, not from the course: When lane splitting, I pull in to the lane again if I'm not passing vehicles and I've reached 40 km/hr)

Lane Filtering:

Lane filtering is OK, but lane filtering is passing between lanes of stopped vehicles to move to the front of a queue at the traffic lights. Also highlighted was the number of cars running red lights, so if you've lane filtered then check for cars coming through the red lights before you move off.

[swbarnett]

White "B" traffic lights:

If using a Bus Lane and stopped at the head of the queue ahead of a bus, a motorbike is allowed to use the White "B" traffic signal to cross the road so as not to hold up the bus.
I had a fight with TPTB over this one before this was legal. I think they agreed with me about how dangerous it was having a distracted bus driver take off when the bike in front didn't (got off the ticket).


These bus only signals are activated by a transponder on the bus, so if there's no bus behind you the White "B" traffic light won't come on.
Not true. Or at least not everywhere. I've activated them with just the bike (no buses) many times.

[Jin]

Thanks for the info good to know about the bus light and going first.

The bus light comes on at corner of ti rakau and harris rd even when theres no bus. I just wait for green light though.

[nerrrd]

Lane Splitting:

One of the ProRider instructors defined Lane Splitting as legal, IF passing a car on its right while keeping to the left of the lane marking. He said a couple of Cops had attended courses and they'd stated informally that they overlooked minor lane splitting breaches if the rider is not being foolish, eg. maximum of only 20 - 25 km/hr difference in speed with the traffic being passed. Apparently right hand indicator is OK, hazard lights are illegal. Though I'd have thought that when lane splitting, I was the hazard. (Personal comment, not from the course: When lane splitting, I pull in to the lane again if I'm not passing vehicles and I've reached 40 km/hr)

Sorry to be pedantic, but I think you missed this.

And the hazards thing, I think the problem is you can't indicate while you're travelling with them on, which is why it's not allowed.

[swbarnett]

And the hazards thing, I think the problem is you can't indicate while you're travelling with them on, which is why it's not allowed.
I think it's more that you're technically impersonating a cop.

[Gremlin]

Not true. Or at least not everywhere. I've activated them with just the bike (no buses) many times.
Agreed, I've activated plenty of B lights with no bus present. I assumed it was just a coil in lane, typical sort of thing.


Sorry to be pedantic, but I think you missed this.

And the hazards thing, I think the problem is you can't indicate while you're travelling with them on, which is why it's not allowed.
You're technically performing an overtake (with the whole, must have space in front yada yada), hence the indicator.

[chasio]

Bus Lane vs Bus Only Lane:

Motorbikes are allowed to use lanes marked "BUS LANE".

Motorbikes are NOT allowed to use lanes marked "BUS ONLY", Bus Only lanes are almost exclusively on the motorways such as the Northern Busway, and AT are planning extensions of Bus Only lanes throughout the motorway system.

The on ramp entering the Northern Motorway heading south from Esmonde Road is a "BUS ONLY" lane, one of the attendees had been stopped on it twice though only warned each time. If heading south on the Northern Motorway, don't go around the Onewa Rd interchange on the Bus Only bypass!


Wow, I used the Bus Only lane joining from Onewa Road (not the same bit of road but next door) every day for 7 years and I was never stopped! Mind you, I didn't do it if there was a cop waiting at the bottom because I knew damn well it was Bus Only. Shooting around there was the best bit of my commute, though, so I was willing to pay a fun tax if it was levied. The warnings sound sensible.

Cheers - Chasio

PS Same experience with white B lights as others e.g. Fanshawe Street used to change just for a bike.

[Gremlin]

Side note (because I don't really want to bring up that chestnut again, or test it myself) BUS ONLY doesn't comply with the law, which says that vehicle types must be specifically excluded (like, no motorcycles, no bicycles etc). Saying one vehicle type only doesn't actually comply with that...

Of course there is the other factor of what sort of bus lane it is... or special vehicle lane... argh :wacko:

[Old Steve]

Therefore Gremlin, Transit lanes wouldn't be legal either, or cycle lanes. Are there emergency vehicle lanes? Just imagine the size of the sign excluding every other vehicle.

A T3 lane has a sign showing a symbol of a bus, a car with three occupants, a bicycle and a motorcycle. So it's not legal because it doesn't specifically exclude other vehicles?

A T3 sign would have to show a car with two occupants, and a car with one occupant, and a truck, and a van, and a ute, and a taxi, maybe a mobility scooter. I'll go with the existing system, it's workable if not the exact letter of the law.

And isn't a sign allowing certain vehicles an exclusion of all other vehicles? I wouldn't try it in court. Or maybe it's worth it as Judges microscopically examine every word of the law and make decisions totally out of touch with reality.

The AT representative said they issue a large number of infringement notices on the Onewa Rd T3 lane every day to cars with less than three occupants, the AT have a camera unit which takes a photo looking straight at the car and then another sideways through the side windows. I asked if it was hundreds per day and he said, "Not quite".

[nzspokes]

What about going up the footpath?

[Gremlin]

Therefore Gremlin, Transit lanes wouldn't be legal either, or cycle lanes. Are there emergency vehicle lanes? Just imagine the size of the sign excluding every other vehicle.
I think this was particularly about the bus lanes, it's been previously covered that bus only doesn't specifically exclude which is required under the laws. Yes, like you, I'd rather just not deal with the grief, go to court to argue etc.

Re the T lanes, several have been caught with dummies on seats to make it look like there is someone... :eek:

[rastuscat]

What about going up the footpath?

That old chestnut.

It's illegal to ride your moped or motorcycle on a footpath.

Local authorities can issue a specific exemption to a company using motorcycles to deliver mail, parcels, junk mail etc. DX Mail, NZ Post et al rely on this exemption, despite often not having applied for it. It's just assumed as being granted.

I can't imagine the shit fight that will erupt when a mail man runs over an elderly pedestrian on his CT110. Most delivery folk are employees, and assume that they are allowed to ride on a footpath.

Down here in Chur Chur I contacted the council to see who had been given exemptions under the rules and nobody had ever applied. NZ Post and DX Mail had just assumed their right to operate on the footpath.

That might have changed, but I doubt it. If I was one of their riders I'd want to view the council authority before riding on a footpath.

It's a council by Council thing. Eg if DX Mail in Auckland applies for and gets an exemption from the ACC, that doesn't cover anyone riding on a footpath anywhere else.

[nzspokes]

That old chestnut.

It's illegal to ride your moped or motorcycle on a footpath.

Local authorities can issue a specific exemption to a company using motorcycles to deliver mail, parcels, junk mail etc. DX Mail, NZ Post et al rely on this exemption, despite often not having applied for it. It's just assumed as being granted.

I can't imagine the shit fight that will erupt when a mail man runs over an elderly pedestrian on his CT110. Most delivery folk are employees, and assume that they are allowed to ride on a footpath.

Down here in Chur Chur I contacted the council to see who had been given exemptions under the rules and nobody had ever applied. NZ Post and DX Mail had just assumed their right to operate on the footpath.

That might have changed, but I doubt it. If I was one of their riders I'd want to view the council authority before riding on a footpath.

It's a council by Council thing. Eg if DX Mail in Auckland applies for and gets an exemption from the ACC, that doesn't cover anyone riding on a footpath anywhere else.

Mail carriers have a right within law to do so.

Would be a giggle to see a cop give it a go on the House busses they ride.

[rastuscat]

Mail carriers have a right within law to do so.

Would be a giggle to see a cop give it a go on the House busses they ride.

I hear ya.

Here's the Road User Rule which deals with it.

Footpaths
2.13Driving along footpath
(1)A driver must not drive a motor vehicle along a footpath.
(2)Subclause (1) does not apply to a person who rides a moped or motorcycle on a footpath in the course of delivering newspapers, mail, or printed material to letter boxes if the road controlling authority has authorised the use of the footpath for that purpose.
Compare: SR 1976/227 r 14
Clause 2.13(2): added, on 1 November 2009, by clause 9 of the Land Transport (Road User) Amendment Rule 2009 (SR 2009/253).

Ipso facto, ya can't do it unless the Road Controlling Authority ( e.g. council) says so.

[nzspokes]

I hear ya.

Here's the Road User Rule which deals with it.

Footpaths
2.13Driving along footpath
(1)A driver must not drive a motor vehicle along a footpath.
(2)Subclause (1) does not apply to a person who rides a moped or motorcycle on a footpath in the course of delivering newspapers, mail, or printed material to letter boxes if the road controlling authority has authorised the use of the footpath for that purpose.
Compare: SR 1976/227 r 14
Clause 2.13(2): added, on 1 November 2009, by clause 9 of the Land Transport (Road User) Amendment Rule 2009 (SR 2009/253).

Ipso facto, ya can't do it unless the Road Controlling Authority ( e.g. council) says so.

They gotta be able to catch you first.

[Scuba_Steve]

I hear ya.

Here's the Road User Rule which deals with it.

Footpaths
2.13Driving along footpath
(1)A driver must not drive a motor vehicle along a footpath.
(2)Subclause (1) does not apply to a person who rides a moped or motorcycle on a footpath in the course of delivering newspapers, mail, or printed material to letter boxes if the road controlling authority has authorised the use of the footpath for that purpose.
Compare: SR 1976/227 r 14
Clause 2.13(2): added, on 1 November 2009, by clause 9 of the Land Transport (Road User) Amendment Rule 2009 (SR 2009/253).

Ipso facto, ya can't do it unless the Road Controlling Authority ( e.g. council) says so.

But a footpath is a road so... :whistle:

[rastuscat]

But a footpath is a road so... :whistle:

Casting my mind back to my days as a baby traffic cop, the road runs from the edge of private property on one side of the road to the edge of private property on the other side.

This includes footpaths, verges etc. Basically the definition ties in with the rest of the legislation, meaning you can be prosecuted for driving anywhere unless it's private property. And some legislation even includes private property.

[Oakie]

They gotta be able to catch you first.

"You gotta catch me first copper!" said the outlaw on the CT90.

[Akzle]

can you fucks please stop saying "law" when you mean "legislation"
they are spearate things, one relies on ignorance to persist.

a "road" is legally any place the public have access, whether as of right or not.
(and includes a sea lane, for that whole maritime law shebang fuck you)

[rastuscat]

can you fucks please stop saying "law" when you mean "legislation"
................ one relies on ignorance to persist.

Hey Knobend........stop referring to me as a Fuck.

And I've always differentiated between law and legislation.

If "one relies on ignorance to persist" I guess that explains how you persist.

[Akzle]

And I've always differentiated between law and legislation.


no, you dont. If you did there wouldnt be square paranthesis in your quote in my sig.

[Swoop]

I think this was particularly about the bus lanes, it's been previously covered that bus only doesn't specifically exclude which is required under the laws.

I seem to remember that there is no such thing as a bus lane along the motorway, just an "emergency stopping shoulder" or similar.

As mentioned multiple times, "specifically excluded" is the legislative wording and is why there is a signpost at each onramp to the motorway with a bicycle in a circle, with a bar across it, and another with a pedestrian with a bar across it. These are signs which specifically exclude pedestrians and bicycles. "bus only" is inclusive and not exclusive.
Saul Goodman would have this sorted in a lunch-break and the City would be paying compensation!:laugh:

[rastuscat]

no, you dont. If you did there wouldnt be square paranthesis in your quote in my sig.

My bad.

I'm normally good with things like that.

[WristTwister]

Firstly, Bus lanes are explained in the Road Code, Bus Only lanes are self-explanatory really. If you don't know this information, you should grab a copy of the road code and give it a re-read.

Lane-splitting has been clarified by the NZ Police and NZTA.

LANE SPLITTING:Police:
[source:RideForever] (http://www.rideforever.co.nz/assets/Uploads/PDFs/ACC7009-RIDEFOREVER-Infosheet-FA.pdf)

Any commuter in any of New Zealand’s major cities has likely witnessed motorcyclists travelling between queued traffic on busy roads during peak commuter traffic times. This practice, known as lane splitting, is the cause of an amount of friction between motorcyclists and other road users.

Over and above the potential safety issues, there is some confusion on whether or not lane splitting is legal on New Zealand roads.

The following outlines the legal situation, and also offers some advice on keeping yourself safe should you, as a motorcycle rider, elect to lane split.
Lane splitting falls within the overtaking rules as found in the Land Transport (Road User) Rule 2004.

2.6 General requirements about passing other vehicles
(1) A driver must not pass or attempt to pass another vehicle moving in the same direction unless—
(a) the movement can be made with safety; and
(b) the movement is made with due consideration for other users of the road; and
(c) suf cient clear road is visible to the driver for the passing movement to be completed without impeding or being likely to impede any possible opposing traffic; and

(d) until the passing movement is completed, the driver has a clear view of the road and any traffic on the road for at least 100m in the direction in which the driver is travelling.
(2) Sub clauses (1) (c) and (d) does not apply if the passing vehicle and the vehicle being passed are in different lanes and
are, throughout the passing movement, either on a one-way road or on the same side of the centre line.
(3) A driver must not, when passing another vehicle moving in the same direction, move into the line of passage of that vehicle until the manoeuvre can be made safely and without impeding the movement of that other vehicle.

»What it means
Overtaking can be completed at any time provided you don’t impede oncoming traffic, have 100 metres clear view of traffic throughout the manoeuvre, don’t cut off the vehicle being overtaken when you pull back into the lane and can complete the manoeuvre with due consideration for other road users. The speed limit for the area must also be complied with. If travelling in separate lanes you may overtake on either the left or right provided you remain in your lane.


2.7 Passing on right
A driver must not pass or attempt to pass on the right of another vehicle moving in the same direction when—
(a) approaching or crossing an intersection unless—
(i) the roadway is marked in lanes and the driver can make the movement without the driver’s vehicle encroaching on a lane available for opposing traffic; or
(ii) in any other case, the driver can make the movement with safety and with due consideration for users of the intersecting road; or
(b) approaching or passing a ush median, unless the driver—
(i) intends to turn right from the road marked with the ush median into another road or vehicle entrance; or
(ii) has turned right onto the road marked with the ush median; or
(iii) can make the entire movement without encroaching on the ush median.

»What it means
Overtaking approaching an intersection may only be performed if the manoeuvre can be made without entering lanes available for oncoming traffic, and can be made safely with consideration for other road users. On roads marked with a flush median, the median is not available as an overtaking lane. Flush medians can only be driven on if you intend turning into a side road or driveway, or have pulled out from a side road and are using the flush median to merge with traffic.
You may overtake on the right if you remain completely in the lane you are travelling in.


2.8 Passing on left
(1) A driver must not pass or attempt to pass on the left of another vehicle moving in the same direction except in accordance with this clause.
(2) In any case in which the movement referred to sub clause (1) may be made,—
(a) the 2 vehicles must be in different lanes; or
(b) the overtaken vehicle must be stationary or its driver must have given or be giving the prescribed signal of that driver’s intention to turn right; or
(c) if the overtaken vehicle is a light rail vehicle moving in the same direction, the light rail vehicle must not be—
(i) signalling an intention to turn left or to stop; or
(ii) stationary for the purposes of allowing passengers to alight or board.
(3) If the roadway is marked in lanes, the driver may make the movement referred in sub clause (1) only if the driver’s vehicle does not encroach on a lane that is unavailable to a driver.

»What it means
You may overtake on the left if the vehicles being overtaken are stationary or are indicating a right hand turn. You may also overtake on the left if travelling in separate lanes.

[Moi]

Firstly, Bus lanes are explained in the Road Code, Bus Only lanes are self-explanatory really. If you don't know this information, you should grab a copy of the road code and give it a re-read.

Lane-splitting has been clarified by the NZ Police and NZTA.

Is there any special reason why I need to highlight what followed the above in order to read it?

[husaberg]

Is there any special reason why I need to highlight what followed the above in order to read it?

I am picking she doesn't realise most people on KB, use the "dark zone" black background option.
You can swap it at the bottom left of this page.
To the "light universe"If you want to burn your retinas.

[rastuscat]

That's a long winded way of saying it. But that level of detail is necessary as its anot intricate area of legislation.

One point to ponder though. Being right and being safe are two different things.

It's legal to ride up the left hand side of a line of stationary vehicles, but it's rarely without significant risk. As few drivers are expecting you to be there, legal or not.

[rastuscat]

I'd be interested to see where the Police outlined the legality of splitting.

[WristTwister]

I'd be interested to see where the Police outlined the legality of splitting.

From what is in the legislation/laws, there is nothing to prohibit lane splitting, provided that none of the rules mentioned in the previous post are broken.

[Scuba_Steve]

This includes footpaths, verges etc. Basically the definition ties in with the rest of the legislation, meaning you can be prosecuted for driving anywhere unless it's private property. And some legislation even includes private property.

If the gate's open it's road... yay for vague legislation.

[rastuscat]

From what is in the legislation/laws, there is nothing to prohibit lane splitting, provided that none of the rules mentioned in the previous post are broken.

Sorry, I thought you said Police had clarified it.

There are very, very few Police with even a passing knowledge of motorcycle-specific legislation.

[rastuscat]

Police without knowledge of the specifics of the law will generally rely on the offence "Overtaking In An Unsafe Manner"

Rule 2.6 (1)(a) refers.

Passing
2.6General requirements about passing other vehicles
(1)A driver must not pass or attempt to pass another vehicle moving in the same direction unless—
(a)the movement can be made with safety;

So even if you comply with all the specific sections on passing on the left or passing on the right, the cop can pull out the generic offence if he thinks "Ewwwwww, that doesn't look safe".

It's really subjective. The cop might think it's unsafe, but likely the rider will disagree.

Hence this debate.

[Swoop]

Gah! Blue wall of death.:crazy:


[COLOR=#0099ff]Firstly, Bus lanes are explained in the Road Code,

Remember, the "road code" is not the law, but an interpretation of the law, broken down to "dumb bastard" speak and with lots of nice coloured pictures.
If you make a Boo Boo on the road, Mr Policeman will not charge you with an offence against the Road Code...

[Gremlin]

I seem to remember that there is no such thing as a bus lane along the motorway, just an "emergency stopping shoulder" or similar.
Yeah, that's another whole grey area. My vague memory was that the authority that granted the ability for buses to use the hard shoulder didn't actually have the authority to do so. ? :wacko:

[Tazz]

That old chestnut.

It's illegal to ride your moped or motorcycle on a footpath.

Local authorities can issue a specific exemption to a company using motorcycles to deliver mail, parcels, junk mail etc. DX Mail, NZ Post et al rely on this exemption, despite often not having applied for it. It's just assumed as being granted.

I can't imagine the shit fight that will erupt when a mail man runs over an elderly pedestrian on his CT110. Most delivery folk are employees, and assume that they are allowed to ride on a footpath.

Down here in Chur Chur I contacted the council to see who had been given exemptions under the rules and nobody had ever applied. NZ Post and DX Mail had just assumed their right to operate on the footpath.

That might have changed, but I doubt it. If I was one of their riders I'd want to view the council authority before riding on a footpath.

It's a council by Council thing. Eg if DX Mail in Auckland applies for and gets an exemption from the ACC, that doesn't cover anyone riding on a footpath anywhere else.

Same deal with bus lanes so even though not implied everyone should check the rules for their specific city.

[Tazz]

Yeah, that's another whole grey area. My vague memory was that the authority that granted the ability for buses to use the hard shoulder didn't actually have the authority to do so. ? :wacko:

Much like a bunch of speed zone Signs that disappeared recently...

[Old Steve]

Yeah, that's another whole grey area. My vague memory was that the authority that granted the ability for buses to use the hard shoulder didn't actually have the authority to do so. ? :wacko:

It's my understanding that NZTA control motorways, and in Auckland AT control the urban streets.

So the bus only lanes on the Auckland motorway system (eg. the Northern Busway and the exit and entrance to the motorway at Fanshaw St - and its the Southern Motorway SH1 at that point, or so the road markings state) would be controlled by NZTA, and bus only lanes (eg. from Beaumont St after the Fanshaw St motorway exit) are controlled by AT. I don't think there are any bus only lanes off the motorway system, but am prepared to be wrong.

[Moi]

It's my understanding that NZTA control motorways, and in Auckland AT control the urban streets.

So the bus only lanes on the Auckland motorway system (eg. the Northern Busway and the exit and entrance to the motorway at Fanshaw St - and its the Southern Motorway SH1 at that point, or so the road markings state) would be controlled by NZTA, and bus only lanes (eg. from Beaumont St after the Fanshaw St motorway exit) are controlled by AT. I don't think there are any bus only lanes off the motorway system, but am prepared to be wrong.

My understanding is the same as yours, NZTA control the m'way system and designate for any bus lanes on the m'ways.

As for AT's responsibilities, have a look here (https://at.govt.nz/driving-parking/bus-transit-priority-lanes/) for info on bus lanes and times and bus ONLY lanes. Plus the Transit Lanes [T2 and T3] which are AT's responsibilities - and who may use them.

[danchop]

It's my understanding that NZTA control motorways, and in Auckland AT control the urban streets.

So the bus only lanes on the Auckland motorway system (eg. the Northern Busway and the exit and entrance to the motorway at Fanshaw St - and its the Southern Motorway SH1 at that point, or so the road markings state) would be controlled by NZTA, and bus only lanes (eg. from Beaumont St after the Fanshaw St motorway exit) are controlled by AT. I don't think there are any bus only lanes off the motorway system, but am prepared to be wrong.
theres a really tiny one going down wellesy street east,its bus and bicycles only

[rambaldi]

It's my understanding that NZTA control motorways, and in Auckland AT control the urban streets.

So the bus only lanes on the Auckland motorway system (eg. the Northern Busway and the exit and entrance to the motorway at Fanshaw St - and its the Southern Motorway SH1 at that point, or so the road markings state) would be controlled by NZTA, and bus only lanes (eg. from Beaumont St after the Fanshaw St motorway exit) are controlled by AT. I don't think there are any bus only lanes off the motorway system, but am prepared to be wrong.

I found one the other day, if only I could remember where. It was bus only for a bus sized section before some traffic lights.

[rastuscat]

My understanding is the same as yours, NZTA control the m'way system......................

Like, as if anyone has much control over the motorway system.

[Moi]

My understanding is the same as yours, NZTA control the m'way system...


Like, as if anyone has much control over the motorway system.

It makes them feel wanted if we say that...

You should know... if it's north of the Bombays then it's totally uncontrollable... :facepalm:

[rastuscat]

It makes them feel wanted if we say that...

You should know... if it's north of the Bombays then it's totally uncontrollable... :facepalm:

I'm old enough to remember when there were traffic lights at the junction of Sunset Road and SH1. When Greville Rd wasn't a big bridge. When the Albany Hill was the main road north.

Control and motorway are mutually exclusive words.

[Old Steve]

Yeah Rastacat, I can remember when the Auckland Northern Motorway ended at Northcote Road where the Takapuna Golfcourse and Poenamo Hotel are. That was very handy, the motorway led you straight to the pub. On the Southern Motorway, it started at Takanini and I never took it any further into town than Greenlane Road.

To go north, from the end of the motorway you drove over to Taharoto Road, up Wairau Rd to Glenfield Rd, on through Albany (looking across at the earth sattelite station on the way, which stood all by itself over to the east) and up Albany hill, through Dairy Flat, Silverdale, Orewa and on to the North - all on SH1.

I remember no SW Motorway, SE Motorway, NW Motorway, no Upper Harbour Motorway, Upper Harbour Bridge or Auckland Harbour Bridge for that sake. There were flying boats at Hobsonville and the International Airport was at Whenuapai. Before the bridge there was a vehicular ferry across from Auckland to Devonport and you drove north from there or went around through Hellensville and Kaukapakapa to Wellsford.

[Old Steve]

Oops, duplicate post

[Moi]

Of the motorways within the greater Auckland area, the north western is the oldest: the section from Pt Chevalier to Te Atatu opened in 1952 primarily to serve the new housing on the Te Atatu peninsula on the fringe of the city and to give easier access to the Whenuapai aerodrome/airport once extended beyond Te Atatu to Lincoln Rd and finally to Hobsonville Rd.

The first section of the southern motorway opened in 1953 and was soon extended to offer an alternative route south to the then congested Great South Rd.

As well as the vehicular ferries running from Mechanic's Bay to Devonport, there was another service from St Mary's Bay to Northcote which served the developing areas around Birkenhead. We used the Devonport service as it offered better access to the old North Shore of Takapuna and Milford via Lake Rd, which I think was a two lane concrete road - similar to other major roads like the Pakuranga to Howick highway. The passenger ferries at Devonport were met by the red and grey buses of the Devonport Ferry Company, whereas the North Shore Transport buses met the ferries at Bayswater and the Birkenhead buses met the ferries at Northcote/Birkenhead.

[Luckylegs]

Yeah Rastacat, I can remember when the Auckland Northern Motorway ended at Northcote Road where the Takapuna Golfcourse and Poenamo Hotel are. That was very handy, the motorway led you straight to the pub. On the Southern Motorway, it started at Takanini and I never took it any further into town than Greenlane Road.

To go north, from the end of the motorway you drove over to Taharoto Road, up Wairau Rd to Glenfield Rd, on through Albany (looking across at the earth sattelite station on the way, which stood all by itself over to the east) and up Albany hill, through Dairy Flat, Silverdale, Orewa and on to the North - all on SH1.

I remember no SW Motorway, SE Motorway, NW Motorway, no Upper Harbour Motorway, Upper Harbour Bridge or Auckland Harbour Bridge for that sake. There were flying boats at Hobsonville and the International Airport was at Whenuapai. Before the bridge there was a vehicular ferry across from Auckland to Devonport and you drove north from there or went around through Hellensville and Kaukapakapa to Wellsford.


Yeah Rastacat, I can remember when the Auckland Northern Motorway ended at Northcote Road where the Takapuna Golfcourse and Poenamo Hotel are. That was very handy, the motorway led you straight to the pub. On the Southern Motorway, it started at Takanini and I never took it any further into town than Greenlane Road.

To go north, from the end of the motorway you drove over to Taharoto Road, up Wairau Rd to Glenfield Rd, on through Albany (looking across at the earth sattelite station on the way, which stood all by itself over to the east) and up Albany hill, through Dairy Flat, Silverdale, Orewa and on to the North - all on SH1.

I remember no SW Motorway, SE Motorway, NW Motorway, no Upper Harbour Motorway, Upper Harbour Bridge or Auckland Harbour Bridge for that sake. There were flying boats at Hobsonville and the International Airport was at Whenuapai. Before the bridge there was a vehicular ferry across from Auckland to Devonport and you drove north from there or went around through Hellensville and Kaukapakapa to Wellsford.

"Yeah Rastacat, I can remember...."

That's pretty impressive given you cant tell when you've already posted <label for="rb_iconid_16">:bleh:</label>

[Old Steve]

Short term memory loss, very common in the elder. The long term memory seems OK, it's just that the hard drive is full and won't accept any more files.

Don't mock Rastacat, it'll happen to you one day :laugh:

[rastuscat]

Short term memory loss, very common in the elder. The long term memory seems OK, it's just that the hard drive is full and won't accept any more files.

Don't mock Rastacat, it'll happen to you one day :laugh:

It wasn't me who reposted.

[rastuscat]

Short term memory loss, very common in the elder. The long term memory seems OK, it's just that the hard drive is full and won't accept any more files.

Don't mock Rastacat, it'll happen to you one day :laugh:

I just tried to repost my last post but the machine wouldn't let me.

I'll ride my bike instead.

[pritch]

That old chestnut.

It's illegal to ride your moped or motorcycle on a footpath

I can't imagine the shit fight that will erupt when a mail man runs over an elderly pedestrian on his CT110. Most delivery folk are employees, and assume that they are allowed to ride on a footpath.

Now that the three wheelers are being rolled out across the country we can expect a rash of accidents. Some were toppled during the trial in New Plymouth.

I was told by a postie that they have a speed limit on the footpath - 15kph? That was presumably stipulated by NZ Post who may be blissfully unaware of the sections of the law referred to by Rastus. On Friday I saw a couple of them take to the road so as to travel faster. Scary to watch.

If these new three wheelers are categorised as motorcycles for ACC purposes they are going to do us no favours at all.

[Moi]

Now that the three wheelers are being rolled out across the country we can expect a rash of accidents. Some were toppled during the trial in New Plymouth.

I was told by a postie that they have a speed limit on the footpath - 15kph? That was presumably stipulated by NZ Post who may be blissfully unaware of the sections of the law referred to by Rastus. On Friday I saw a couple of them take to the road so as to travel faster. Scary to watch.

If these new three wheelers are categorised as motorcycles for ACC purposes they are going to do us no favours at all.

Your comment made me do a search:

kyburz-switzerland three-wheeler and trailer (http://kyburz-switzerland.ch/en/delivery_vehicles/dxp_nz) - saw similar last year when in Switzerland...

Posties-test-out-electric-new-rides (http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/9879622/Posties-test-out-electric-new-rides) - might make a useful local run-about...

posties-get-behind-road-safety-week (https://www.nzpost.co.nz/about-us/media-centre/media-release/posties-get-behind-road-safety-week) - on the days we don't get a regular mail delivery if there is some 'fast-post' then it is delivered by a postie on one of these...

[Jeff Sichoe]

Got pulled up this morning coming down Ngaio Gorge and riding in the bus lane.

Had a decent chat with the two cops (good dudes) and explained the difference between 'bus lanes' and 'bus-only' lanes.

He called his boss and they confirmed it was all good seeing as it was a bus lane.

Thanks KB

[rastuscat]

Got pulled up this morning coming down Ngaio Gorge and riding in the bus lane.

Had a decent chat with the two cops (good dudes) and explained the difference between 'bus lanes' and 'bus-only' lanes.

He called his boss and they confirmed it was all good seeing as it was a bus lane.

Thanks KB

Good outcome. Now two more cops know that rule.

Knowledge often comes by accident.

[Akzle]

Good outcome. Now two more cops know that rule.

Knowledge often comes by accident.

so ignorance comes by.....

[Scuba_Steve]

so ignorance comes by.....

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[Akzle]

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[Racing Dave]

Had a decent chat with the two cops (good dudes) and explained the difference between 'bus lanes' and 'bus-only' lanes.



About 5 years ago I was riding on a motorway in Vancouver, which was jam-packed with barely moving traffic, so I took the liberty of using the adjacent and vacant Bus Lane. Two Harley-ridin' gun-totin' traffic cops pulled me over to discuss the matter (and other matters - by mistake, I had left my rental/insurance documents in nearby-but-over-the-border Point Robert, Washington, USA and on the spur of the moment I couldn't remember the name or address of the motorcycle rental company in Vancouver, but we got over that).

My argument was that in New Zealand motorbikes are allowed to use the bus lanes, while their slightly more valid argument was that Canada is not New Zealand. Where the pillion seat on the Harley would normally be was a computer connected not only to a satellite internet but also to their immigration service, so after checking my passport and arrival/declared departure date, we eventually parted best of friends.

Motorcyclists are allowed to use HOV lanes (High Occupancy Vehicle - meaning a minimum of 2 persons), which certainly helps.

[Moi]

so ignorance comes by.....


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Default... is that one of those German automobiles, like de Volkswagen, de Audi and de BMW and de Porsche?

[Swoop]

so ignorance comes by.....
An Act of Parliament...



On a regular basis.