Hilux v Ranger 4x4 double cab?

[Laava]

Looking at buying new and interested in hearing from people who have made this choice and why. Manual or auto etc

[ellipsis]

Looking at buying new and interested in hearing from people who have made this choice and why. Manual or auto etc


...do a Crumpy type test drive with both models and then ask your/a woman which one they like the best and what colour...everyone else will talk shit...

[JimO]

just bought a new hilux, goes good, better than previous 011 hilux, i prefer auto over manwell, cant comment on ranger apart from a mate has a manual one and wishes he bought a auto cos they are shite in manual

[ellipsis]

just bought a new hilux, goes good, better than previous 011 hilux, i prefer auto over manwell, cant comment on ranger apart from a mate has a manual one and wishes he bought a auto cos they are shite in manual

...serious this time, but only hearsay, from aussie cuz over here recently...he likes the towing capabilities of the Ranger but it doesn't have the top end...thats my bit of bullshit...?...

[Laava]

Cool, this is the kind of feedback I am after. The Ranger tops all the shootouts pretty much but My mate just bought a hilux cos he says it is just nicer to drive. The Hilux is the slowest ute over 400m out of the top 8 sellers but seems to be trading heavily on its heritage. It is very nice to drive however and I still have to drive the ranger to compare.
My previous model lux, manual, has a too tall first gear, this is a common niggle. The new one still seems to have a tall first gear and sixth is made for autobahns only it seems?

[Madness]

I heard a similar story about the Ranger being a dog with a manual box. Anyway, Transit Custom, FTW!

[wildman]

Haven't heard of any major issues with new Hilux's, and we haven't had any come through where i work but Know of four Rangers that have had trouble with the autos. My mates has been back to Ford three times, he's now at the stage he's told them to take the thing away and give him his money back, manual ones seem better.

[husaberg]

Looking at buying new and interested in hearing from people who have made this choice and why. Manual or auto etc

I haven't had the latest 5 cylinder Ranger, but I have had both the new Hilux and the Previous Ranger as both work and private vehicles.
The previous Ranger was better both on and off the road could climb further and was more durable with less overhang and a better ride height.
Work had issues with the diffs, gearboxs (and the steering and suspension but these had lift kits, as they needed them) on the Hilux's
Yet no issues at all with the Fords
That said the Toyota has a much better resale value.
Co-incidentally work went to Nissans (I'm pretty sure they were a lot cheaper.)

I don't like autos, but I do like really my misses new CVT Mitzi Lancer (but I shudder to think what it would cost to fix with its computer controlled hydraulics)

PS the Ranger 5s sound a little knocky to me even from new.

[Laava]

Work had issues with the diffs, gearboxs (and the steering and suspension but these had lift kits, as they needed them) on the Hilux's
Co-incidentally work went to Nissans (I'm pretty sure they were a lot cheaper.)
PS the Ranger 5s sound a little knocky to me even from new.

So your work has had all these issues, and then gone to Nissan, all since last december?

[RGVforme]

Worked for both dealer groups.

Did nothing but fix shit on rangers at ford.

Did nothing but service Hilux's at Toyota.

After sale service was better at ford but it had to be and didn't really make up for the fact that you were back there again or were driving a loan car for a week while we tried to work out WTF was wrong.:crazy:

Enough Said.

[ellipsis]

...jappy holdens, 6 or seven...the other one, fuck all...

[Flip]

Used to look after about a hundred toyotas at solid energy, nothing but shit and expense. The BT50's auto are the best availableat the moment.

[JimO]

i have just had the driveshaft replaced under warranty as the old one had a clung bang thud when you took off as aparantly it was to tight in the shafty bit, common problem here and in aus, all sorted no probs

[husaberg]

So your work has had all these issues, and then gone to Nissan, all since last december?

No as its a fleet they turn them over gradually they stopped buying the hiuxs about 15 months ago due to the issues, they started on the Nissans about 2 years ago as a trial with just a few. Then they just kept buying them
The whole fleet now appears to be going Nissan, I changed job OCT.
Toyota and Ford used to give very good discounts, that I know for sure, it used to be about 10G even cockies used to be able to negotiate that.
Hold on till fieldays.
(shit I never even noticed the 2016 hilux was more then a face lift)


Used to look after about a hundred toyotas at solid energy, nothing but shit and expense. The BT50's auto are the best availableat the moment.

A guy I know swears they had a Toyota Japan guy out to look at Stockton as they were having diff problems before we were, they said he came up and watched and seen them driving off road on the rocks and he just shock his head and said "no no no they are for on the roads"
Can you confirm the story or is it a West Coast "rural" legends

[ellipsis]

...it's obvious by now that you really need a Great Wall...

[Madness]

...it's obvious by now that you really need a Great Wall...

Mahindra. I know this geezer...

[Ocean1]

If you're interested in a Ranger why wouldn't you get a Mazda?

Last time I looked they were a fair bit cheaper, at least at the economy end of the range...

[Laava]

I have had 11yrs of goodness out of my current hilux and it has done nearly 200,000km with few issues. Clock spring, shit original clutch replaced in warranty period pretty much covers it. Every actual owner I have spoke to about this model has also had a good run. My mates STX Nissan on the other hand had been in for it's eighth clutch replacement under warranty before it had done 50,000 km. At that point Nissan put an auto box in for him gratis. He has a window and door business so tows a bit but all within the recommended loads etc etc. They have moved to Isuzu now.

[JimO]

i have had 9 new hiluxes as work utes over the years, the 07 gave the most proplems needing injectors and clockspring done under warranty and waterpump needing replaced at 90ooo ks the 011 never missed a beat and i expect the latest to be the same, never had any problems with the toyota dealer, servicing etc, only time i ever lift the bonnet is to top up the windscreen washer

[Laava]

If you're interested in a Ranger why wouldn't you get a Mazda?

Last time I looked they were a fair bit cheaper, at least at the economy end of the range...

Am test driving one tomorrow. They are only marginally cheaper and are a very different beast. Same power and torque and same gearboxes but lower performance on road and worse fuel economy than ranger. .???
Of course I am only going on what figures and comparisons are available.
http://www.caradvice.com.au/388419/ute-comparison-ford-ranger-v-holden-colorado-v-isuzu-d-max-v-mazda-bt-50-v-mitsubishi-triton-v-nissan-navara-v-toyota-hilux-v-volkswagen-amarok-2/
http://www.4x4australia.com.au/drive/road-tests/1512/ford-ranger-v-holden-colorado-v-isuzu-d-max-v-mazda-bt-50-v-mitsubishi-triton-v-nissan-navara-v-toyota-hilux-v-volkswagen-amarok/

[Laava]

i have had 9 new hiluxes as work utes over the years, the 07 gave the most proplems needing injectors and clockspring done under warranty and waterpump needing replaced at 90ooo ks the 011 never missed a beat and i expect the latest to be the same, never had any problems with the toyota dealer, servicing etc, only time i ever lift the bonnet is to top up the windscreen washer

I had heard that some needed injectors done, mine still seems ok, is the first of that shape at 2005.
If I get 20,000$ for it on TM then it will have cost me 2K a year to have a brand new and almost completely trouble free ute for 11 yrs. pretty good really.

[BMWST?]

you just need to drive one.Ranger is nice to drive,much more car like than ever.Havent been near a new Hilux.Auto or manual ,up to you.Drive em and decide

[JimO]

latest hack......http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x67/jim157/13051727_1194423933903429_6551381091767401159_n_zp sxl1hqss5.jpg (http://s187.photobucket.com/user/jim157/media/13051727_1194423933903429_6551381091767401159_n_zp sxl1hqss5.jpg.html)

[haydes55]

I'm happy with the mitsubishi triton. Not sure what more you could want from a ute.

[Ocean1]

Am test driving one tomorrow. They are only marginally cheaper and are a very different beast. Same power and torque and same gearboxes but lower performance on road and worse fuel economy than ranger. .???
Of course I am only going on what figures and comparisons are available.
http://www.caradvice.com.au/388419/ute-comparison-ford-ranger-v-holden-colorado-v-isuzu-d-max-v-mazda-bt-50-v-mitsubishi-triton-v-nissan-navara-v-toyota-hilux-v-volkswagen-amarok-2/
http://www.4x4australia.com.au/drive/road-tests/1512/ford-ranger-v-holden-colorado-v-isuzu-d-max-v-mazda-bt-50-v-mitsubishi-triton-v-nissan-navara-v-toyota-hilux-v-volkswagen-amarok/

The Ford is a re-badged Mazda.

Details are different, but only within what's available from Mazda's parts bin.

[fallafalla]

Having driven both extensively, ranger no contest. Hilux drives horribly and isnt a nice place to be, cheap interior etc, reliability is around the same both have faults though the hilux ive got at the moment is shaping up to be slightly less reliable than the ford was so far.

[Laava]

you just need to drive one.Ranger is nice to drive,much more car like than ever.Havent been near a new Hilux.Auto or manual ,up to you.Drive em and decide

Yep, Hilux was really nice, little bit more power than previous model and better cornering along with being quieter. Similar comfort level too. Looking forward to ranger and mazda test.

[ellipsis]

...this one or something similar and an A frame to tow your real car, a Toyota 'something or other', shopping basket...
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[Laava]

The Ford is a re-badged Mazda.

Details are different, but only within what's available from Mazda's parts bin.
I think they a lot more different than that, you try and find something the same other than engine and box. Totally different engine management, interior and front end to start with. I believe they are based on the same chassis setup tho.


Having driven both extensively, ranger no contest. Hilux drives horribly and isnt a nice place to be, cheap interior etc, reliability is around the same both have faults though the hilux ive got at the moment is shaping up to be slightly less reliable than the ford was so far.
You sure you drove the same Hilux as me?
My neighbour who is a farmer just bought a new extra cab 4x4 hilux and he test drove them all. He said they are all awesome and it was just he felt the hilux nicest on road? Opinions eh?

FWIW in the two test links I posted in post 20, the 4X4 article rates the Hilux at the top of the bunchof eight ute and the Caradvice article rated it fifth. NZFWD rates it third behind Ranger and Amarok.

[ellipsis]

...Toyota...Sold...

[RGVforme]

Having driven both extensively, ranger no contest. Hilux drives horribly and isnt a nice place to be, cheap interior etc, reliability is around the same both have faults though the hilux ive got at the moment is shaping up to be slightly less reliable than the ford was so far.

Rangers need to be comfy to sit in for long periods while waiting for the tow truck.

Cut away a dashboard from a wrecked Ranger once to access parts behind(was easier to do than spend 3 days removing the dash).....Found it made of glued paper mache once behind the flash covering.

Can't get much cheaper than that.

[Coldrider]

LS3 commy ute, what else can you buy for 50k that drives like a car and has 304kw.

[RGVforme]

LS3 commy ute, what else can you buy for 50k that drives like a car and has 304kw.

At least Toyota and Ford drivers still get laid after the buy though....:laugh: :msn-wink:.

[Laava]

LS3 commy ute, what else can you buy for 50k that drives like a car and has 304kw.
What is it like in the sand?

Or with half a metre of builders mix and four adult passengers?
Not really in the same group I am looking in but thanks

[husaberg]

What is it like in the sand?

Or with half a metre of builders mix and four adult passengers?
Not really in the same group I am looking in but thanks

Have you ever seen a SSR Chev I only seen one the other day I had never even heard of them before, not really applicable either but a headturner if only just for its oddity value, it kind of looks to me like a FJ holden crossed with a Toyota Corolla.

They are 4wd anyway, a few seats short, left hook and out of production though:laugh:

[Laava]

Have you ever seen a SSR Chev I only seen one the other day I had never even heard of them before, not really applicable either but a headturner if only just for its oddity value, it kind of looks to me like a FJ holden crossed with a Toyota Corolla.

They are 4wd anyway, a few seats short, left hook and out of production though:laugh:

Reminds me of this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YtAVIGq1ko&sns=em

[Coldrider]

What is it like in the sand?

Or with half a metre of builders mix and four adult passengers?
Not really in the same group I am looking in but thankswe have inverted the leaf Springs on an 18 month old bt50 at work.

[Gremlin]

What is it like in the sand?

Or with half a metre of builders mix and four adult passengers?
Not really in the same group I am looking in but thanks
You should probably specify what you want it for, then more pros and cons could be evaluated.

[Laava]

You should probably specify what you want it for, then more pros and cons could be evaluated.

Yeah, good point, have tried to edit the title to say double cab.
Mostly building work with room for the kids in back at weekends. It will be or be made a flatdeck, steel not ali.

[Gremlin]

Title edited.

Not really what you're asking, but the flat deck does have pros and cons to well side, things like loading height, access to tray, blah blah.

Throwing it out there... a lot of builders go for utes (especially if you need to tow), but some also go for vans, kit out the rear etc... pros and cons every way you look :laugh:

[Tazz]

Cool, this is the kind of feedback I am after. The Ranger tops all the shootouts pretty much but My mate just bought a hilux cos he says it is just nicer to drive. The Hilux is the slowest ute over 400m out of the top 8 sellers but seems to be trading heavily on its heritage. It is very nice to drive however and I still have to drive the ranger to compare.
My previous model lux, manual, has a too tall first gear, this is a common niggle. The new one still seems to have a tall first gear and sixth is made for autobahns only it seems?

New one still have the turning circle of a scud missile launcher?

[Laava]

Title edited.

Not really what you're asking, but the flat deck does have pros and cons to well side, things like loading height, access to tray, blah blah.

Throwing it out there... a lot of builders go for utes (especially if you need to tow), but some also go for vans, kit out the rear etc... pros and cons every way you look :laugh:
Thanks, yep the flatdeck is considerably easier to get at things from the side, as well as being way bigger. Also much easier to set up a rack system that can take some serious weight without being so high you need a ladder to get to it.

New one still have the turning circle of a scud missile launcher?

Haha, yeah a big downside of the 4x4! The new one is better tho.

[neels]

Whatever you buy go auto, most of the manuals now have the engines detuned to prevent the above mentioned issues with shitting drivetrains, very noticable difference between the manual and auto hilux we have at work.

Otherwise, they all have their issues so drive them and see which one you like better.

It's a shame they don't still make the D22 Navaras, we were buying them at work as they still have a sensible deck height on the back, unlike the other enormous things that seem to be all that's available now.

[skippa1]

Have used both extensively off and on road. Both have their good points, Toyotas hold their value, are capable, less tow capacity and cost a lot for a more basic interior. Rangers manual box stinks, interior is nicer (my opinion) suspension hard when there is no load in it, price is good.
I like a manual box for serious off road so that was a real minus on the Ranger but I found overall the Ranger was a better package for me. Its very subjective.

I would go auto unless you are really serious off road and tackling steep terrain.

[Laava]

Bt50 v Ranger road test. Ranger win! Both were auto, the auto on the mazda seemed to be continuously on the hunt for the right gear. But it was the winner launching from the lights. Mazda made a funny noise trickling along on light throttle kinda like when you are driving beside a corrugated fence that is getting closer then moving away then closer again etc. Annoying. While at the dealership I spotted my mates ranger there and remembered it being there two days ago. I rang him and he told me it is there getting it's fuel pump replaced. For the second time. Has done just over 40,000km now and at 15,000 km it had the fuel tank topped up with petrol. That was immediately sorted so don't know if these failures are as a result.
Reversing camera is one of the best feature to have on a ute these days. One on the ranger is great.

[Flip]

IMHO I woulden't touch a toyota these days with a 12 foot pole. Every fucking time one went back for injectors, water pump or gear box they always came back with waranty denied because the fuel was contaninated.

Well guess what, we used to go through 60,000 litres of diesel in a good day, all the fuel was filtered by a Valcon 0.5 micron coalessing filters (the same they load jet A1 through at the airport, not a Donaldson nappy filter) and was regually tested by IPL the lab at the NZ refinery for water and contamination. But every time waranty denied. The fucker and I have no other term for it, I had used to go through a set of injectors every 35-40k (at $4k a time) and was on its 2nd gearbox. We were loading fuel into hundreds of million dollar worth of mining vehicles and fuel quality was critical to the operation. We were not doing the QM for mr toyotas benefit, but the lab results really used to piss them off. When the POS were out of waranty we used to flick them on PDQ.

In hind sight my 25 year old V8 landrover was so much more reilyable that the toyotas because the fuel system was rubbish.

The company I work for today has about 400 BT50s, the manual gear boxes are a bit light, but other than that they are all good vehicles. The autos are better espcially for towing.

A fleet diesel v8 landcruiser went through the workshop the other day, $7,000 for a set of injectors at 50k. Guess what, its some body elses problem now and the driver got a nice new BT50 that is nicer to drive and costs a whole pile of cash less to maintain. The V8 was also actually slower on the road than my old V8 landy.

They were having troubles with cruiser diffs but that was before my time. Some of the problem was probably the tonne of tools and oil then hooning across a open cast mine.

[husaberg]

Reminds me of this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YtAVIGq1ko&sns=em

Well you must be a heck of a lot older than me:rolleyes:

[JimO]

IMHO I woulden't touch a toyota these days with a 12 foot pole. Every fucking time one went back for injectors, water pump or gear box they always came back with waranty denied because the fuel was contaninated.

Well guess what, we used to go through 60,000 litres of diesel in a good day, all the fuel was filtered by a Valcon 0.5 micron coalessing filters (the same they load jet A1 through at the airport, not a Donaldson nappy filter) and was regually tested by IPL the lab at the NZ refinery for water and contamination. But every time waranty denied. The fucker and I have no other term for it, I had used to go through a set of injectors every 35-40k (at $4k a time) and was on its 2nd gearbox. We were loading fuel into hundreds of million dollar worth of mining vehicles and fuel quality was critical to the operation. We were not doing the QM for mr toyotas benefit, but the lab results really used to piss them off. When the POS were out of waranty we used to flick them on PDQ.

In hind sight my 25 year old V8 landrover was so much more reilyable that the toyotas because the fuel system was rubbish.

The company I work for today has about 400 BT50s, the manual gear boxes are a bit light, but other than that they are all good vehicles. The autos are better espcially for towing.

A fleet diesel v8 landcruiser went through the workshop the other day, $7,000 for a set of injectors at 50k. Guess what, its some body elses problem now and the driver got a nice new BT50 that is nicer to drive and costs a whole pile of cash less to maintain. The V8 was also actually slower on the road than my old V8 landy.

They were having troubles with cruiser diffs but that was before my time. Some of the problem was probably the tonne of tools and oil then hooning across a open cast mine.
never had any issues with local toyota dealer, injectors replaced under warranty no problem, i take it you were at mcrays? funny how they still use hiluxes if they were as bad as you say i doubt they would

[Laava]

Well you must be a heck of a lot older than me:rolleyes:

Oi! Play nice!

[Flip]

never had any issues with local toyota dealer, injectors replaced under warranty no problem, i take it you were at mcrays? funny how they still use hiluxes if they were as bad as you say i doubt they would

No Solid energy, had a hundred of the POS. They were all weak in the gear boxes, water pumps and fuel systems. It was the corporate office we had to deal with.

My experience is not based on hear say or anything a dealer reports, I have had to manage large fleets that compised of a few fords, a few Nissans, a few Bitsaremissing, lots of toyotas and even more Mazdabaters.

The best were actually the Bitsaremissing (but the numbers were statistically low) and the Mazda BT50s.

The one thing I can say the candle that burns twice a bright burns half as long. The fitters at work have a old Mazda (2000ish) hack ute that has done 560k, it has done a gear box and a head, but its still mostly the same motor.

[Laava]

Drove a Ranger manual today. Is a pretty good wagon and the gearbox ratios are well set up. It will pull from about 70 in top gear. The motor is very peaky tho (auto as well) and if you put your foot hard down it feels like it slows down as the revs climb. You would need to short shift it at about 2500rpm to stay in the fat of the power. The hilux manual box is much nicer to use esp with IMT switched on.

[Motu]

They have a light on the dash to tell you when to change gear. You got to be stupid to drive a car these days. I don't like these 6 speed manuals, I can never find reverse.

[Flip]

IMT,whats that mean?

[Laava]

They have a light on the dash to tell you when to change gear. You got to be stupid to drive a car these days. I don't like these 6 speed manuals, I can never find reverse.
There is a green arrow in the ranger to tell you when to change up. It is easily ignored. I didn't see one in the Hilux? There is a reverse lockout on the ford that works well but don't think the hilux has. The hilux box is much more car like.


IMT,whats that mean?

It is a rev matching thing. Sounds a bit wank but works well and would be awesome for people who don't know how or just don't rev match, esp on the downshift. It is switchable and low key.

[carver]

My wife has a new 2016 Ranger.
Its good, nice to drive, manual 2wd with diff lock.
I dont like the way a 2wd has such a high deck these days.
They also need a auto for perforance, as they have quite a bit of turbo lag.

At the last company i worked for, I had 2x D22 nissans.
1x S/C 4wd 3.0 Turbo and a D/C 4wd 3.0 Turbo.

They were good vehicles, solid build, basic and a bit noisy.
They replaced them with the D40, which preformed well, but were not so solid, and were kinda shit off road.

However, the cheap bastards were buying rollovers and getting the panelbeater down the road to fix em up.
Most of the rear doors dig not line up or shut properly!

The D23 looks to be better than the D40.

If you are not going off road, I think a van makes better sense, my firm has brought a E26 Caravan, great vehicle.

[husaberg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1C0r2EHQfY&feature=youtube_gdata_player