Nice work the NZ harold.

[Big Dave]

Anyone else have a problem with this?
Worth some rep.

[El Dopa]

Anyone else have a problem with this?
Worth some rep.

Yes.

THERES NO LAND IN THE ARTIC YOU STUPID MUNTERS!

[Korumba]

I like it when the Ladies " Cup and Show"

[strayjuliet]

What edition was that? I wouldnt mind reading about the witchcraft training getting a tax break lol. Yer I have to agree there is no land there you dicks. :dodge:

[curious george]

Anyone else have a problem with this?
Worth some rep.

Yes.

THERES NO LAND IN THE ARTIC YOU STUPID MUNTERS!
No freaking image attatched either

*Gaaaah! It's back!*

[Ixion]

Well, if the Arctic be defined as that area circumscribed by the Arctic circle, it does indeed include much land. There is no Arctic continent analogous to the antarctic, but it is bordered by, and includes portions of Greenland, Siberia, Baffin land, the Yukon, and numerous islands. So the picture could have been taken in the Arctic (though I suspect it was not)

[strayjuliet]

Wouldnt Arctic sea ice melt to a record new HIGH??? [level]
.
Thats what I thought.
Heres 1 for the Herald: :stupid:

[Big Dave]

Yes.

THERES NO LAND IN THE ARTIC YOU STUPID MUNTERS!


Thank you - dispatched.

[limbimtimwim]

Anyone else have a problem with this?"Economists equivocate as economy rebuids head of steam"

Is that a sort of sexual quiver an economist makes when things get exciting?

I can see them all equivocating in the trading room as the graphs head skyward, building.. building.. building a head of steam.

Oh yeah.

[Big Dave]

Well, if the Arctic be defined ----could have been taken in the Arctic (though I suspect it was not)

Yuh I was aware of all that - but really, geomorphic semantics aside - the image is inappropriate to convey a message about the Arctic. Clichéd or not.
That picture 'screams' Antarctic to me.

[skelstar]

Dude, is that IE on Mac OS9?

[Posh Tourer :P]

No, because the ice is getting less. They aint talkin' 'bout the sea melting is they?

[Big Dave]

Dude, is that IE on Mac OS9?

Absolutely.
And you know, a pretty good % of the motorcycle and motorcycle product advertising you've seen for the last 4 years has been made on this good old 450mhz G4 and OS9.2.2.

[riffer]

Dude, is that IE on Mac OS9?

Haha I was about to say that. Start work at the new job tomorrow, and it's like going back in time...

MacOS 9, Pagemaker 6.5...

never thought I'd miss Indesign so much ...

Come on Dave. Upgrade.... and get Firefox

[Big Dave]

Haha I was about to say that. Start work at the new job tomorrow, and it's like going back in time...

MacOS 9, Pagemaker 6.5...

never thought I'd miss Indesign so much ...

Come on Dave. Upgrade.... and get Firefox


Can you get it for 9.2?

[skelstar]

As you guys probably know when designing web pages with Firefox (and safari) things look great. Show it to a client that inevitably only has IE and it all looks shit anyway.

[avgas]

Funny how people stress about the arctic melting......and no one worries where the water will go?
Also i heard a funny thing that said with all the plate shifting in like 10 trillion years there will probably be another gondwana on the other side this time.

[James Deuce]

No, because the ice is getting less. They aint talkin' 'bout the sea melting is they?

Dead right. The ice has already displaced as much water is it is going to. 98% of sea ice is under sea level.

But! The sea level goes up because warmer water occupies more volume.

Pack ice and Polar Bears says Arctic to me.

Penguins and black mountains says Antarctic to me.

[Big Dave]

Come on Dave. Upgrade.... and get Firefox

It will cost me 8 grand in software - OSX - adobe creative suite - macromedia suite - 3d apps - nah fuggit - I don't need it - speed is no worry and I've got plenty of storage and frankly my work is industry leading as it is. I'll invest again if I loose the edge.

I'll keep the $ and spend them on motorcycles thanks.

[Gremlin]

... and frankly my work is industry leading as it is. I'll invest again if I loose the edge.
:niceone: A good chippy never blames his tools...

Can't fault your reasoning.

[Big Dave]

Funny how people stress about the arctic melting......and no one worries where the water will go?


My understanding is that IS why they are stressing?

[curious george]

But! The sea level goes up because warmer water occupies more volume.
Actually, if you fill a cup of water and freeze it, it will overflow.
Ice takes the greater volume.....
BUT, it's the difference between freah water and salt water that makes the difference :niceone:

[Big Dave]

Actually, if you fill a cup of water and freeze it, it will overflow.
Ice takes the greater volume.....
BUT, it's the difference between freah water and salt water that makes the difference :niceone:


'Imagine how deep the oceans would be if they took all the Sponges out' - steve martin

[SlowHand]

anyone see the front page of harild on tues?

"Local man a murder suspect"

oh my goawdd! It could be any one of us! How many people live in Auckland again?
Oh, that's right, isnt it about 2 million?
kudos to u harild, kudos to you

[Motu]

That's terrible news,the Poles are the entrance into the interior of the Earth - you do know that the Earth is hollow don't you? The ice cap covers the secret entrance ways,this is where the flying saucers come from - NOT from outer space,but from inside our own Earth! It is only the isolation of the poles that has kept mankind out of the secrets of the centre of the Earth.This could be catastrophic for the peaceful inner Earth inhabitants,war like mankind might enter and destroy their lifestyle.

If I'm offline for a few days don't get too upset....I may have to fly home and make arrangements for my family....look SSW on friday night and look for the green flash....

[Big Dave]

That's terrible news,the Poles are the entrance into the interior of the Earth - you do know that the Earth is hollow don't you?


If you find James Mason still wandering around down there - tell him the film is over.

[Ixion]

That's terrible news,the Poles are the entrance into the interior of the Earth - you do know that the Earth is hollow don't you? ..
If I'm offline for a few days don't get too upset....I may have to fly home and make arrangements for my family....look SSW on friday night and look for the green flash....

Uh - why would we look SOUTH to see something happening at the NORTH pole?

[TwoSeven]

The Arctic includes parts of Russia, Alaska, Canada, Greenland, Iceland, Lapland, and Norway (including Svalbard), as well as the Arctic Ocean


If the ice melted the volume would be less. Water expands when it freezes.

[Big Dave]

Uh - why would we look SOUTH to see something happening at the NORTH pole?

Typical Dirt bike rider - he just likes going the long way everywhere.

[Lou Girardin]

If the ice melted the volume would be less. Water expands when it freezes.

Then it's our duty to make those poles melt and save all those little atolls.

[TwoSeven]

If the poles melted, wouldnt you have a couple of puddles of molten alloy ?

[WRT]

If the ice melted the volume would be less. Water expands when it freezes.

Maybe, but it also floats. When it melts, all the bits above the waterline will now be back below the waterline . . .

Now I may be wrong here, but wouldn't the WEIGHT be the key? After all, something (anything) will float if it displaces more water than it weighs. Hence how concrete and steel ships can float.

So, does ice weigh more than water? Cant see that it would, so therefore, if the polar caps melt and all that ice turns to water, its still only going to weigh the same and the levels wont change much?

Hell, maybe I just talking gibberish. Be an interesting experiment. Fill a jug with a liter of water, freeze half of it, then dump the resulting ice cube back in the remainder of the water. See what level the water goes back up to . . .

[ManDownUnder]

That's terrible news,the Poles are the entrance into the interior of the Earth - you do know that the Earth is hollow don't you?

I'm worried because the earth's just a big balloon, and if the poles melt, the corks holding the air in will be gone, and we'll go fizzing off to a part of the galaxy where I don't have any friends!

[Jamezo]

Maybe, but it also floats. When it melts, all the bits above the waterline will now be back below the waterline . . .

Now I may be wrong here, but wouldn't the WEIGHT be the key? After all, something (anything) will float if it displaces more water than it weighs. Hence how concrete and steel ships can float.

So, does ice weigh more than water? Cant see that it would, so therefore, if the polar caps melt and all that ice turns to water, its still only going to weigh the same and the levels wont change much?

Hell, maybe I just talking gibberish. Be an interesting experiment. Fill a jug with a liter of water, freeze half of it, then dump the resulting ice cube back in the remainder of the water. See what level the water goes back up to . . .

pure ice is less dense than water. if you were to put an ice cube in a half-filled glass of water, and let it melt, the resulting water depth would be identical to that of the un-melted system (as the ice cube displaces EXACTLY its mass of water)

the problems are infinitely more complex than this. there is a huge web of factors that affect ice melt and the effects of it. for example, sheet ice reflects sunlight back into space, whereas it is absorbed into ocean water, warming the area further. there is also a very large mass of ice that is not currently displacing water, located on continental areas. if this were to melt, it would be a Very Bad Thing. there is evidence that suggests there are a number of 'tipping points' that we are approaching with regards to our climate system; basically, if they happen, they can't 'un-happen'. if continental ice sheets were to melt, there's no way they can just regenerate this side of 10,000 years.

but meh, it's all a moot point if we release the aliens that are hiding under the arctic.

[chris]

Now, I'm no expert, but aren't there many different types of ice? I was always under the impression that the ice currently being discussed varies greatly in its density depending on the depth at which it sits? Ice at 1km below the surface is infinitely purer and denser than that which sits a few feet below the surface due to the weight bearing down on it. It is compressed to a point where it contains no impurities or air bubbles? Therefore, the deeper the ice, the heavier it is?

[Skyryder]

As I understand it is the ice on land that is going to increase ocean levels. Some time ago therewas an interview with one of the scientists who had come back from the Antarctica. They had taken measurements from one of the ice shelves that showed that the shelf was slipping off the land. Don't recall how much movement that was measured but do recall that the shelf was the size of France. I have never head of any news item about this again.

Skyryder

[Posh Tourer :P]

I'm worried because the earth's just a big balloon, and if the poles melt, the corks holding the air in will be gone, and we'll go fizzing off to a part of the galaxy where I don't have any friends!

We will go fizzing off? I presume this is just a cryptic admission that you dont have any friends anyway, and fizzing off somewhere would just make you think about it?

[Posh Tourer :P]

there is evidence that suggests there are a number of 'tipping points' that we are approaching with regards to our climate system; basically, if they happen, they can't 'un-happen'.

They said that 30 years ago too...... Who knows? :spudwhat: Every ice age is preceded by a spike in average temp, and we havent had an ice age for a while......

[Posh Tourer :P]

As I understand it is the ice on land that is going to increase ocean levels.

Correct-ah. Then there is also the continental rebound to worry about, ie what happens when you take the weight of the ice off the land. North America rose 10m when the last ice shelf receded. That'd displace more water, although it might balance out the equation a bit in terms of land loss for those areas already uselessly wasting away under 1km of ice. We wont be any better off, but it is a comforting thought, no?

Re the ice shelf, sure it is melting off.... There is a (slow) build up of ice off the mountains isnt there? Glacier-type things happen.......

I presume it is still a matter of great scientific concern, but the newspapers are bored of it, and couldnt get any new pictures. Perhaps they could re-run the story with pictures of Arctic sea ice floating about instead???

[Posh Tourer :P]

Pack ice and Polar Bears says Arctic to me.

Penguins and black mountains says Antarctic to me.

Ever see the Far Side cartoon with the polar bear disguised as a penguin? He was apparently very embarrased when someone wrote in to point out that they lived 12,000-odd miles from each other :D

Cartoonists with a well developed respect for reality are the best type......

[Jantar]

Lets just use a bit of science here. This link http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/msu/t2lt/tltglhmam_5.2 will take you to the actual global atmospheric temperatures as measured by NASA for the lower troposphere. That is the part of the atmosphere in contact with the earth's surface and imediately above.

This one http://www.ssec.wisc.edu/data/sst/latest_sst.gif is for the current sea surface temperature.

For the sea surface to warm up then the atmosphere most also warm at the same rate. From the atmoshperic record we can see that for the Northern Hemisphere the rate of temperature change is 0.122 C per decade. Ice can not melt to water untill it reaches 0 C.

Here http://www.john-daly.com/stations/bodo.gif is the temperature data for Bodo in Norway, just inside the arctic circle. Note that the temperature there during this latest period ,which is suposedly the hottest in earths history, is still at least 1 C cooler than in the 1930s.

Have a look at Danmarkshavn in Greenland, http://www.john-daly.com/stations/dmkshavn.gif You can see that it is not unusual for the ice to melt in summer but to be ice free all year round will require an increase in temperaure of 25 C. At current rates of change that may happen in a little over 2000 years, but somehow I think the natural cycles will have repeated themselves a few times by then.

[WINJA]

14 YEARS TO PAY BACK THE MEDICAL BILL , THATS OUTRAGEOUS