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[Magua]

:D Don Brash conceeds defeat.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3429838a10,00.html

Three more years! :niceone:

[crashe]

Labour retained their 50 seats....
National lost a seat taking them back to 48 seats.

[Devil]

:D Don Brash conceeds defeat.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3429838a10,00.html

Three more years! :niceone:
Yes, 3 more years of bullshit.
I think i'll stop paying my student loan, all you other fuckers can pay for it.

[gamgee]

same here, i usually just work over summer to pay my student loan, but i may as well just invest that money and earn interest on it and leave my interest free student loan sitting there

[Magua]

Waaa Waaa, you'll get your chance in another three years.

LABOUR

[Badcat]

Yes, 3 more years of bullshit.
I think i'll stop paying my student loan, all you other fuckers can pay for it.


yeah - sweet,
happy to support you AND my wife and two kids, you winner.

[James Deuce]

That's bad news for families. National were offering much bigger tax cuts than Labour.

I suppose school fees will go up now, and we'll still have to pay for under-6 health care.

[yungatart]

Three more years... groan! No tax cuts, no nothing for us..

[Badcat]

maybe not, that's why we almost voted them back in.
bit like KFC really - you forget how awful it is, then you go back, eat it and realize why you don't eat it....

[Motu]

Now Brash will pack up his bags and go away,what a loser,he hasn't got the guts to put in the hard slog of 3 yrs as Leader of the Opposition - if National somehow get a strong leader,then next time they are in with a chance.

[crashe]

Now Brash will pack up his bags and go away,what a loser,he hasn't got the guts to put in the hard slog of 3 yrs as Leader of the Opposition - if National somehow get a strong leader,then next time they are in with a chance.


Keep an eye on Helensville's MP John Key (Donkey) he is after Don Brash's job.
Donkey is National's Finance guy.... only been in Parliamnet for 3 years.. done not a lot.. but after Brash's job.

[jimbo600]

:D Don Brash conceeds defeat.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3429838a10,00.html

Three more years! :niceone:

Not for me. Sick of Labour plundering people who actually get off their arse and do something, weak as piss defence/police, bullshit/lies/and fraud.

I'm off to Oz

[Magua]

Not for me. Sick of Labour plundering people who actually get off their arse and do something, weak as piss defence/police, bullshit/lies/and fraud.

I'm off to Oz

Fuck that, Howard's Australia. See how they recently deported someone against the war on terror? Goodbye free speech.

[jimbo600]

Fuck that, Howard's Australia. See how they recently deported someone against the war on terror? Goodbye free speech.

Big difference between free speech and someone preaching radicalised forms of islam and western hatred.

[Magua]

Big difference between free speech and someone preaching radicalised forms of islam and western hatred.

Pacifist tourists, the big new threat

By Brian Walters

09/13/05 "The Age" -- -- Moves to deport a US anti-war activist are a serious abuse of power.

Last weekend our nation crossed a line. On Saturday, a visiting tourist was arrested in Melbourne by the Australian Federal Police, on instructions from the Department of Immigration and ASIO.

His visa has been cancelled and he is to be deported on security grounds.

Who is this threat to our security?

He is not a person with any history of violence. He is not a person who has been known to associate with terrorists. He has not advocated violence against anyone.

Scott Parkin is a peace activist from the United States.

While in Australia on a holiday he has participated in workshops against the Iraq war. He performed some anti-war street theatre outside the Halliburton office when he was in Sydney. Here in Melbourne, he was on his way to conduct a publicly advertised workshop on the Iraq war when he was picked up by our nation's finest.

So subversive were his activities in promoting non-violent action against the Iraq war that he was taken straight to jail (where he is being held at his own expense) and from where he will be taken out of the country.

The only reason given by the authorities is that he represents a security risk. Attorney-General Philip Ruddock confirmed this after Parkin was arrested. There are no breaches of any conditions of his visa. The authorities will not specify the nature of the security threat, and it is possible they know something that definitely justifies action of this nature. But they won't say. The only thing anyone (including Parkin) knows that could constitute that threat is that he has actively - and non-violently - campaigned against the invasion of Iraq.

There is one other thing. In the United States he was charged with a misdemeanour (a minor charge) as a result of participation in a non-violent Greenpeace protest action. If that amounts to a security threat, the Australian authorities should have been well-apprised of it before he entered the country.

It appears that Parkin is being held in jail and deported for being a peace activist. The Government has done nothing to dispel this view. One might expect this sort of thing of Saddam Hussein's regime, but not of a country with democratic principles like our own.

from http://www.informationclearinghouse...rticle10283.htm

Parkin deported to US: FBI says he's ' welcome'

By Jano Gibson

09/15/05 "Sydney Morning Herald" -- -- US peace activist Scott Parkin, who was deported from Australia this morning after being deemed a threat to national security, would be welcome back in his homeland, the FBI says.

A Federal Bureau of Investigation spokeswoman in Los Angeles told smh.com.au the 36-year-old Texan teacher would not be tracked by the agency when he arrived back in the United States tomorrow.

"As far as I'm aware a US citizen is welcome home," spokeswoman Laura Eimiller said.

Mr Parkin would only be subject to the standard regulations that any individual would face when arriving in the country, she said.

from http://www.informationclearinghouse...rticle10284.htm

So Australia now will deport anybody opposed to the Iraq war. In a democracy "Freedom of Speech" is about the most important human right. In a fascist system "Freedom of Speech" is a crime.

Australia is sliding quickly down the slippery slope to Fascism. It would appear that under the Aussie system of "DEMOCRACY" certain persons like myself and others who inhabit this forum are now officially "security threats" in Australia. Welcome to the new world of Fascist Democracy people.

[Ixion]

Pacifist tourists, the big new threat

<snip much snippy stuff>

So Australia now will deport anybody opposed to the Iraq war. In a democracy "Freedom of Speech" is about the most important human right. In a fascist system "Freedom of Speech" is a crime.

Australia is sliding quickly down the slippery slope to Fascism. It would appear that under the Aussie system of "DEMOCRACY" certain persons like myself and others who inhabit this forum are now officially "security threats" in Australia. Welcome to the new world of Fascist Democracy people.

'Tis all good. Diverts attention away frm us Communists, whilst we prepare the Revolution. The Red Peril will ride again !

[SlowHand]

dam! w00t used to praise Labout getting in... *shakes head.

Lookout for a new bike for me, I hear they ARE gona take interest of stu loans - yeah right, oh, that's right, I work as well looks like nothings really gona happen then.

ARGGGGHHH!!! 3YEARS!!!!!!!

[Bonez]

Australia is sliding quickly down the slippery slope to Fascism. It would appear that under the Aussie system of "DEMOCRACY" certain persons like myself and others who inhabit this forum are now officially "security threats" in Australia. Welcome to the new world of Fascist Democracy people.Welcome to the "Brave new World". Last century it was damn commies, now it's bloody ragheads. Peace nicks have aways been an issue with authorities of many countries damn it. :dodge:

[Indiana_Jones]

dam! w00t used to praise Labout getting in... *shakes head.

Lookout for a new bike for me, I hear they ARE gona take interest of stu loans - yeah right, oh, that's right, I work as well looks like nothings really gona happen then.

ARGGGGHHH!!! 3YEARS!!!!!!!

K-BILLY'S SUPER SOUNDS OF THE 70'S CONTINUES..... :)

yea, I wouldn't hold your breath about those interest free student loans lol

-Indy

[jimbo600]

Alright I admit that's a bit rough, but if I do the same thing is Oz as I do now I can afford two bikes. One for racing and one for road riding. Aint no way that can happen here.

[Indiana_Jones]

Not for me. Sick of Labour plundering people who actually get off their arse and do something, weak as piss defence/police, bullshit/lies/and fraud.

I'm off to Oz

Take me with you! :(

-Indy

[Indiana_Jones]

Also, we don't know who has the power yet....it's Yoda! :p

-Indy

[TwoSeven]

For all those that think labour won something. Umm, we use MMP here - they havn't won anything.

Labour have 50 seats. In order to pass a law, do a budget, or make any decision, they need 61 seats (121/2 rounded). To get that, they need the green party + jim anderton = 57 + another 4 votes from any of the other parties (who are bench sitters).

Now, any thing labour does, that is likely to annoy the other parties, means that they will side with national. When you add up NZ 1st, Maori, United, Act and Nat you get 64 seats - meaning labour would lose on that policy.

What it means is that for the first time ever, NZ has a concensus government (traditionally it would have been called a hung parliament and a new election called).

This type of government means that each party most govern roughly center left or center right (no extremes). NZ first will only support labour in supply and confidence - not in policy (it means the government can run day to day, but cant implement policy).

The next major step is the budget - I wonder how many of labours election promises are going to eventuate - free student loans anyone ?

[myvice]

No position of power should be given to anyone who applies for it!
I voted for NZ First, it’s not like they where going to win but I wanted a loud mouth watch dog somewhere in there!
Anyway, whoever wins, we lose…
In another 3 years some more lying cheating thieves who have never done a days work will be scrabbling to line there pockets with our tax money.
And all of the promises go straight out the window after the first 5 minuets in the halls of power.
As far as they are concerned we are here to pay them and support every whim they want to push through, usually as a new and even more abstract law to scam even more of our cash, or some other hastily thought piece of crap legislation to justify there existence and fat salary!
And if the opposition get their hand on the ball they use the excuse that “It was broken when we got here”
But not actually fix it, why do that when we can patch it up at five times the price, wait for it to fall over again, then sell it to the lowest bidder only to bail them out at twice the cost in 6 months.
But don’t worry, the service is still there, just run by a private (offshore) consortium that is making a billion a year off you!
And why would we want a tax cut? Its only 20% PAYE, and 12.5% GST, And ACC, and rates, fuel tax, etc, etc…
And that just for wage slaves! Hmmm, 20% is one fifth, so Monday you work for Helen and Co, Wanna go to work on Monday now don’t ya!
On top of this we have Doctors fees and other medical expenses, prescription costs are a biggy.
School fees are getting larger year by year…
Road tolls? We don’t own our public transport system but our rates go into supporting them, and we pay for the parking wardens who police the bus stops!
We have no discernible defence force left…
We don’t have enough cops per head of pop, who earn bugger all and spend most of the time scraping our wallets for 10k infringements!
So where dose the money go?
We have the lowest unemployment that we have had for years, so it can’t be that.
So where?
All bitter and twisted now, should have stopped at the first line. :whocares:

[oldrider]

Keep your eye on the purchasing power of your dollars.
I mean the ones "you" get to keep. Not the ones they steal off you.
Just watch it shrink over the next three years. Thats just one item to watch.
:apumpin: Work harder, pay more dues. The Cities gave it to Helen. Enjoy. :Pokey:

[Timber020]

Oh well. looks like George Bush lost his chance of having another bum boy in Australasia....Brash must be gutted, well he would be if he had any guts in the first place

[Aitch]

Waaa Waaa, you'll get your chance in another three years.

LABOUR
The 2005 coalition will last three years........yeah, right!

[Indiana_Jones]

lol I saw a Helengrad party last night in the city, what a joke, They were sitting on this charter boat moored up and had teens waving Red flags on the stern of it....... :whistle:

I walked past a Pakastanie and Chinese who were both laughing at the people on the boat, the latter saying "Oh my God, it's like back at home..." I turned around and said "Yeah, Welcome to Helengrad, mate"

-Indy

[Badcat]

Take me with you! :(

-Indy

excellent idea - it will raise the IQ of both countries.

[Devil]

yeah - sweet,
happy to support you AND my wife and two kids, you winner.
Thats me being cynical mate. I think the student loan policy is the biggest most insulting bribe i've seen from a party.

I'm sick of paying for others.

[Indiana_Jones]

Thats me being cynical mate. I think the student loan policy is the biggest most insulting bribe i've seen from a party.

I'm sick of paying for others.

I agree, I feel it takes the responsibility out of a loan.........wait this is Helengrad, personal responsibility has no place :whistle:

-Indy

[Magua]

I agree, I feel it takes the responsibility out of a loan.........wait this is Helengrad, personal responsibility has no place :whistle:

-Indy

I think helping the students, the future of the country is better than a little money into the pockets of the everyday person and adding to national debt, GG NATIONAL :p

[Indiana_Jones]

the future of the country is better than a little money into the pockets of the everyday person

*Plays USSR national anthem*

and who saw that Wanker Marcus Lush on TV onethe other night in Russia? :argh: he's such a prick

-Indy

[geoffm]

Thats me being cynical mate. I think the student loan policy is the biggest most insulting bribe i've seen from a party.

I'm sick of paying for others.

Another point that seems to have slipped by a few students... Petrol tax is going up AGAIN on April 1 - part of our Kyoto payments to the Russian Mafia (who were supposed to pay us as I recall). Sooooo how will interest free loan (ha - it'll never happen) make up for spending all that extra moeny on petrol.
The Lord Giveth, and The Government Taketh Away.
I have been keeping an eye out overseas as well. I could earn $20k more in Oz than here, especially with another couple of years. Costs are higher there, but...
Geoff

[Lou Girardin]

yeah - sweet,
happy to support you AND my wife and two kids, you winner.

My problem is that us dinkies will be subsidising you breeders.

[Lias]

Fuck that, Howard's Australia. See how they recently deported someone against the war on terror? Goodbye free speech.
Howards Australia rocks.

I'm also seriously thinking about moving to aussie rather than face another 3 years of having this country shat on by the marxist Labour government, and its radical lefty Green mates.

Anyone who thinks Labour is a good thing for this country is a worthless lefty who needs a bullet. 'Nuff said.

[Lou Girardin]

Howards Australia rocks.

I'm also seriously thinking about moving to aussie rather than face another 3 years of having this country shat on by the marxist Labour government, and its radical lefty Green mates.

Anyone who thinks Labour is a good thing for this country is a worthless lefty who needs a bullet. 'Nuff said.

Our Labour is to Marx what a car is to a bike.

[chickenfunkstar]

Howards Australia rocks.

I'm also seriously thinking about moving to aussie rather than face another 3 years of having this country shat on by the marxist Labour government, and its radical lefty Green mates.

Anyone who thinks Labour is a good thing for this country is a worthless lefty who needs a bullet. 'Nuff said.

Thats about 40% of the voting population. They can't all deserve shooting.

[Phurrball]

Howards Australia rocks.

I'm also seriously thinking about moving to aussie rather than face another 3 years of having this country shat on by the marxist Labour government, and its radical lefty Green mates.

Anyone who thinks Labour is a good thing for this country is a worthless lefty who needs a bullet. 'Nuff said.

Better have plenty of ammo on hand!

Perhaps a better solution would be that posited by yourself...that people so minded move across the ditch.

(Phurrball recalls infamous Muldoon quote concerning trans Tasman migration...but decides it would be too cruel to include. :devil2:)

[Devil]

Thats about 40% of the voting population. They can't all deserve shooting.
Well it'd certainly make all this election bollocks a little more clear cut! :devil2:

[Devil]

I think helping the students, the future of the country is better than a little money into the pockets of the everyday person and adding to national debt, GG NATIONAL :p
I have a student loan myself, and I think we'd be better off if the average student was taught something about managing money and dealing with an investment they've made. The interest on student loans is fuck all! (I agree with no interest while studying). The thing that really gets me cranky are the people who fuck around at uni, chopping and changing the courses then having a whinge when they owe X amount.

With a no interest deal, people will think even LESS about the responsibilities in taking out a student loan - She'll be right mate.

[Badcat]

Well it'd certainly make all this election bollocks a little more clear cut! :devil2:

yeah, didn't really work for hitler in the long run though..

[Badcat]

Better have plenty of ammo on hand!

Perhaps a better solution would be that posited by yourself...that people so minded move across the ditch.

(Phurrball recalls infamous Muldoon quote concerning trans Tasman migration...but decides it would be too cruel to include. :devil2:)

yep - was great knowing you, enjoy australia, i'm sure you'll love it.

and don't let the door hit'cha with the good lord split'cha!

[Badcat]

Howards Australia rocks.

I'm also seriously thinking about moving to aussie rather than face another 3 years of having this country shat on by the marxist Labour government, and its radical lefty Green mates.

Anyone who thinks Labour is a good thing for this country is a worthless lefty who needs a bullet. 'Nuff said.

why aren't you posting from that beautiful sunburnt land of milk and honey then?
go on - move to australia!
us labour voters will be so much more secure, away from your righteous vengance...

[Phurrball]

yep - was great knowing you, enjoy australia, i'm sure you'll love it.

and don't let the door hit'cha with the good lord split'cha!

I think I hid my meaning in too many words...

I'm not going anywhere! I voted Labour...

[Coyote]

Anyone who thinks Labour is a good thing for this country is a worthless lefty who needs a bullet. 'Nuff said.
No wait! I have a better idea.

How about we organise a legalise culling or all people who think privatisation and the rich controlling the markets to their favour is good for the country and is morally just!

[Devil]

yeah, didn't really work for hitler in the long run though..
Looks like we'll have to find someone a little more robust then!
Still got the GS?

[Badcat]

Looks like we'll have to find someone a little more robust then!
Still got the GS?

nope - sold it's porky retro ass.
i building a new bike now...
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=11291

hope you are well!

k

[Badcat]

I think I hid my meaning in too many words...

I'm not going anywhere! I voted Labour...

oops - sorry man - i replied to the wrong post!!!

K

[Lias]

No wait! I have a better idea.

How about we organise a legalise culling or all people who think privatisation and the rich controlling the markets to their favour is good for the country and is morally just!

I don't think privatisation or the rich controlling the markets is a good thing either. According to politicalcompass.org, I'm actually fairly centrist with regards to the traditional left/right wing economic policies. What really turns my stomach is labours social policies, which probably stems from the fact that on the compass I'm right up the top end on the "Authortarian vs Libertarian" axis.

I just redid the compass for argument sake. I did it about 3 months ago, and a few weeks before the election. My SL/A scale is about the same, the first test my EL/R scale was -1, second it was +1, this is -1.5 so hovering right around the center.

Economic Left/Right: -1.50 (Communism vs Neo Liberalism)
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 5.74 (Fascism vs Anarchism)

It puts me about midway between stalin and hitler economically, and the same level on the authoritarian scale *grin*

And I do jest about moving to australia. NZ is the best country in the world, admittedly I'm bias and a nationalist, but I'd never live elsewhere. I just REALLY wish we didnt have labour in power.

[chickenfunkstar]

I don't think privatisation or the rich controlling the markets is a good thing either. According to politicalcompass.org, I'm actually fairly centrist with regards to the traditional left/right wing economic policies. What really turns my stomach is labours social policies, which probably stems from the fact that on the compass I'm right up the top end on the "Authortarian vs Libertarian" axis.

I just redid the compass for argument sake. I did it about 3 months ago, and a few weeks before the election. My SL/A scale is about the same, the first test my EL/R scale was -1, second it was +1, this is -1.5 so hovering right around the center.

Economic Left/Right: -1.50 (Communism vs Neo Liberalism)
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 5.74 (Fascism vs Anarchism)

It puts me about midway between stalin and hitler economically, and the same level on the authoritarian scale *grin*

And I do jest about moving to australia. NZ is the best country in the world, admittedly I'm bias and a nationalist, but I'd never live elsewhere. I just REALLY wish we didnt have labour in power.

Thats a pretty cool test, i've never given a whole lot of thought to politics in terms of Fascism vs Anarchism before.
I scored:
Economic Left/Right: -3.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.51

Which gives me roughly the same political views as Gandhi, Nelson Mandela and the Dalai Lama.
Quite interesting.

[Lias]

Thats a pretty cool test, i've never given a whole lot of thought to politics in terms of Fascism vs Anarchism before.
I scored:
Economic Left/Right: -3.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.51

Which gives me roughly the same political views as Gandhi, Nelson Mandela and the Dalai Lama.
Quite interesting.

I'm pretty sure Wolf's score is down around there somewhere from memory.

[Magua]

As I expected.
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -5.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.74

I'm a lefty for sure.

[limbimtimwim]

http://politicalcompass.org/
Economic Left/Right: -4.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.31

Me and the Dalai Lama (Or Brother Dee Al as I call him when we are shooting the breeze on a a sunny day) have always seen eye to eye :-)

[Sniper]

Yay, let labour fuck up the country even more. Not that I care for polotics.

[Badcat]

Sniper - the entire time you've been old enough to actually vote, there's been a labour Govt. Please enlighten me on your plan to do it better...

[Sniper]

Sniper - the entire time you've been old enough to actually vote, there's been a labour Govt. Please enlighten me on your plan to do it better...

Ummmmmmmm...........


Not that I care for polotics.

Does that answer your question?

[Badcat]

Ummmmmmmm...........



Does that answer your question?

yes - very well.
thanks.