Car vs Bike inequalities

[skelstar]

So Im watching Top Gear and they take the new Aston martin DB9 GT car around the track (the DBR9?) and they claim it does 0-100km/h in 3.2 seconds. I have read that a CB900 Hornet claims 0-100km/h in 2.7secs. You can buy a Hornet new for $10990, the DB9 is more than 200,000 pounds (you cant buy this car but the retail version is 175K).

I realise that theres more to the inequalities/differences than this but the difference is quite startling.

[bugjuice]

what's your point?

[skelstar]

what's your point?
The bike is less than a tenth of the cost and performs (in a straight line) better. It was an observation, wasnt looking for answers or anything. Wasnt it obvious?

[bugjuice]

dunno.. you kind of sound surprised..
The Aston weighs a heck of a lot even after a ton of reduction. It's bulky and has a lot of metal to get moving. A bike has a fraction. Just work out the power to weight ratio for one.
Out on the track tho (life isn't only about getting to 100), it's a debatable different story, which has been covered heaps by all sorts, and will never be resolved. So go buy a 1000cc bike for a fraction of a porsche, and just laugh at how much change you get, and the fact you can pull wheelies. They'll then in turn, laugh at you when you get soaking wet, and the new chick you've just pulled doesn't want to get on the back.. go figure

[skelstar]

Sure its pretty obvious why, you could argue that you cant take your mates on the back of your bike and get the same speed (unless youre sad) but thats another story. Was cool to see a SLK AMG take on Sparky Bills (R1) the other day and get REAL loose off the line. He did pretty well all told.

[SPORK]

Download the Ducati 999 vs Lambo Gallerado or something. Both had good pilots, and the 999 only bet the Lambo by 0.1 of a second. It was amazingly close. It was on 5th Gear (not as good as Top Gear) Even though it was a superexpensive 999, it was still a 10th of the price...

[skelstar]

Download the Ducati 999 vs Lambo Gallerado or something. Both had good pilots, and the 999 only bet the Lambo by 0.1 of a second. It was amazingly close. It was on 5th Gear (not as good as Top Gear) Even though it was a superexpensive 999, it was still a 10th of the price...
Yeah seen it. Pretty entertaining and informative. Made me feel better about cars beating me up Paekakariki Hill (when I was more of a newbie).

[number33]

F1 cars absolutely whip the GP bikes round a track.

[parsley]

So Im watching Top Gear...
I'd love to see the famous personality they bring on one week to do the lap time to say "Actually I want to do it on a bike". Hey, if Doctor Who can insist on driving an automatic then why not?

Just got to find a famous person who can ride a bike well. Any suggestions?

[SPORK]

Just got to find a famous person who can ride a bike well. Any suggestions?

Valentino Rossi?

[Jackrat]

So Im watching Top Gear and they take the new Aston martin DB9 GT car around the track (the DBR9?) and they claim it does 0-100km/h in 3.2 seconds. I have read that a CB900 Hornet claims 0-100km/h in 2.7secs. You can buy a Hornet new for $10990, the DB9 is more than 200,000 pounds (you cant buy this car but the retail version is 175K).

I realise that theres more to the inequalities/differences than this but the difference is quite startling.

Yeah it's not fair man.
Next year that cars going to be worth even more but the bike's going to be worth,,,, :crybaby:

[skelstar]

Yeah it's not fair man.
Next year that cars going to be worth even more but the bike's going to be worth,,,, :crybaby:
'Cost' or 'worth'?

[Motu]

I'd love to see the famous personality they bring on one week to do the lap time to say "Actually I want to do it on a bike". Hey, if Doctor Who can insist on driving an automatic then why not?

Just got to find a famous person who can ride a bike well. Any suggestions?

The whole point is the personalities do it in the same car,ok,so Dr Who drove an auto version of the same car,big deal.Damon Hill beat everyone,but they disaloud his time,Damon Hill could of asked to ride around on a bike as he raced bikes before turning to cars....and playing guitar in his own band.Top Gear is not about bikes,it's about cars - if bikes were important they would have their very own show....guess they aren't then eh? The Aston was built for a specific racing series,I thought it looked,sounded and went fucking well....I wonder....I wonder,what would the expression look like on skelstar's face look like after a lap in that thing with the Stig? Contempt at the gutless slow car,or wobbly legs and a shit eating grin?

[Sniper]

Ok, when it boils down to it. More people will look at the DB9 and go WOW, rather than the hornet. Sad I know, but thats how society works.

[skelstar]

I wonder,what would the expression look like on skelstar's face look like after a lap in that thing with the Stig? Contempt at the gutless slow car,or wobbly legs and a shit eating grin?
Theres no doubt about it, it would be 'wobbly legs and a shit eating grin'. I never ment to show contempt...
That DB9 did sound awesome though...it def handled the hammerhead etc extremely well. Quite impressive.

[James Deuce]

Skelstar, Skelstar, Skelstar.

Motu doesn't have a rep as a site Evil Clown without a reason you know.

Repeat after me, "Don't feed the Clowns".........

[Sniper]

Skelstar, Skelstar, Skelstar.

Motu doesn't have a rep as a site Evil Clown without a reason you know.

Repeat after me, "Don't feed the Clowns".........

Etu Jim2? Being possesd by the rabbit?

[James Deuce]

I for one welcome our furry, big eared Overlord.

[Sniper]

I have a .22, .308 and a 12 gauge that says he aint coming near me!

[Lou Girardin]

Yeah it's not fair man.
Next year that cars going to be worth even more but the bike's going to be worth,,,, :crybaby:

Astons depreciate in the UK like Jap imports here. The first years loss would pay for several sprotbikes.

BTW that Aston was a race car, full carbon body etc. You can't buy one.
And even if you could, it can't filter.
If you know someone with a supercar, challenge them to a race around the Coro loop on a saturday in Summer.

[The Stranger]

I have read that a CB900 Hornet claims 0-100km/h in 2.7secs.

The Hornet is obviously a weapon machine as it is apparently quicker than a Hayabusa on the quarter mile (previous thread) and now apparently quicker to 100kmh as well.

see http://www.hyp4r.com/hayabusa/performance.htm for some Hayabusa specs

I realise that different machines are often released into different markets and there are a variety of other factors which would influence actual times, however In the interests of accuracy can we please have at least some substantiation of quoted figures.

[el milanes]

F1 cars absolutely whip the GP bikes round a track.

I guess the reason is that F1 cars use the aerodynamic effect to push the car down, like a plan upside down, so that they can drive much faster around corners. Plus they have four large wheels, so the grip that keeps you on track is much higher. I don't know: how many Gs can MotoGP bike handle?

[The Stranger]

If you know someone with a supercar, challenge them to a race around the Coro loop on a saturday in Summer.

Um. What do you believe would happen here?
Do you believe that the car or the bike would be quicker around the loop?

[skelstar]

Um. What do you believe would happen here?
Do you believe that the car or the bike would be quicker around the loop?
Im not familiar with the Coro loop but is LG implying that filtering would be a benefit on this circuit?

[bugjuice]

Um. What do you believe would happen here?
Do you believe that the car or the bike would be quicker around the loop?
that could be a good 'race', but alas, too many issues.. timed race..? Might privately arrange something like that when Postie gets his clutched fixed. I'll see how fast he is compared to my bike, then we could do the loop.
One go one way, the other go the oppostie way. Leave and arrive back at Kopu. Average car against an average bike

[Motu]

Before you go racing a superduper car,check out the drivers who own them in NZ - by the time you can afford one here you have lost the ability to drive them,and to service the girls who are attracted to them,it'd be cruel to try.But in Europe where the market they are aimed for is,it's possible you might be taking on someone who far exceeds your skill....F1 drivers and the like,like to scoot around in them.Cars and bikes are for different purposes and markets,I can never see the point in comparrisons....unless you have some sort of ego problem....

[Postie]

that could be a good 'race', but alas, too many issues.. timed race..? Might privately arrange something like that when Postie gets his clutched fixed. I'll see how fast he is compared to my bike, then we could do the loop.
One go one way, the other go the oppostie way. Leave and arrive back at Kopu. Average car against an average bike
fuck that, do i get a head start???

[Sniper]

fuck that, do i get a head start???

Hehehe, you said "head"

[scumdog]

Before you go racing a superduper car,check out the drivers who own them in NZ - by the time you can afford one here you have lost the ability to drive them,and to service the girls who are attracted to them,it'd be cruel to try.But in Europe where the market they are aimed for is,it's possible you might be taking on someone who far exceeds your skill....F1 drivers and the like,like to scoot around in them.Cars and bikes are for different purposes and markets,I can never see the point in comparrisons....unless you have some sort of ego problem....

Dead right, different strokes for different folks....

Kinda logic used in some of these arguments is like me saying my F100 is better 'cos I can carry 50 dozen beer on the back of it and I don't get wet when it rains so it must be better than a bike.

[ManDownUnder]

Dead right, different strokes for different folks....

Kinda logic used in some of these arguments is like me saying my F100 is better 'cos I can carry 50 dozen beer on the back of it and I don't get wet when it rains so it must be better than a bike.

Ever noticed how contrived the comparisons are though? Last night there was a race between a very nice McLaren Benz gee wizz superfast car, and the other two zapping about on planes and boats.

One had a sleep (which to be fair he needed) and the others experienced all manner of breakdowns and other gaffs...

The sleep could have been shorter, the others should not have had the breakdowns yada yada yada. Too many variables, a complete waste of time and money in respect of a proper test.

BUT

I'll admit it makes good TV. It's entertainment - nothing more and nothing less.

[bugjuice]

fuck that, do i get a head start???
chicken...
you've got a 2ltr turbo and four wheels (two of which drive), and you want a head start..?? I'll try to pull a wheelie as we pass tho..

[skelstar]

I'll admit it makes good TV. It's entertainment - nothing more and nothing less.
Yeah, its kind of a pity knowing that they surely engineer these 'races' to be exciting at the end. I watched the 'swiss alps' episode (Ferrari I think) with a bunch of girls one evening (no innuendo please) worrying about them missing out on watching 'Pop Idol' :whocares: and found that they all REALLY enjoyed the 'race' the top gear-dudes were having. Clearly a bit contrived really.

[ManDownUnder]

Yeah, its kind of a pity knowing that they surely engineer these 'races' to be exciting at the end. I watched the 'swiss alps' episode (Ferrari I think) with a bunch of girls one evening (no innuendo please) worrying about them missing out on watching 'Pop Idol' :whocares: and found that they all REALLY enjoyed the 'race' the top gear-dudes were having. Clearly a bit contrived really.

Girls??

I mean - yeah... it's all a bit trashy really...

now - back to those girls....:apumpin:

[SimJen]

In Aussie mag Motorcycle news was an article on a 600+hp $500,000 Porsche with Gemballa mods (fastest road going Porsche in Oz). Versus a stock R1 with sticky rubber.
Equivalent driver/rider (racers), Bike kicked its ass at the track to the tune of 1.5+ seconds a lap.
Previously the mag had a comparison of a Porsche versus a GSXR1000 K5 and the Porsches optional ceramic brake option cost more than the bike!!!
Bikes have trouble matching open wheeler race cars with big downforce but are more than capable of beating the rest.

[bugjuice]

that could be a good 'race', but alas, too many issues.. timed race..? Might privately arrange something like that when Postie gets his clutched fixed. I'll see how fast he is compared to my bike, then we could do the loop.
One go one way, the other go the oppostie way. Leave and arrive back at Kopu. Average car against an average bike
ok, if Postie can't, or won't (cue chicken sound), I wouldn't mind finding out myself. Who's got a cage worth..? Postie's car is a 2ltr turbo FWD coupé. May be a subby or evo then..? 4wd could help..
Must admit, his car vs my bike could be a little unfair actually..

[skelstar]

ok, if Postie can't, or won't (cue chicken sound), I wouldn't mind finding out myself. Who's got a cage worth..? Postie's car is a 2ltr turbo FWD coupé. May be a subby or evo then..? 4wd could help..
Must admit, his car vs my bike could be a little unfair actually..
Oh dear god what have I created? and how about someone doing this challenge in WGTN too? Maybe thursday night at the riverbank car park...boys? :)

[bugjuice]

Oh dear god what have I created? and how about someone doing this challenge in WGTN too? Maybe thursday night at the riverbank car park...boys? :)
nah, this isn't going to be an advertised thing persay. It'll be very hush for obvious reasons, but wouldn't mind a couple of people helping out with cam stuff.. Anyway, that's just detail at the moment.. Just thought it'd be a good challenge to see what the deal was.
And I know a lot of riders here and not-here, that would do the loop in a blink. If you could find a car driver the same way, then great, but doubtful. So just to keep it more level, I hardly know the loop, and Postie doesn't, so it's hardly an advantage.. Just thought it'd be fun

[Monsterbishi]

ok, if Postie can't, or won't (cue chicken sound), I wouldn't mind finding out myself. Who's got a cage worth..? Postie's car is a 2ltr turbo FWD coupé. May be a subby or evo then..? 4wd could help..
Must admit, his car vs my bike could be a little unfair actually..

A shame you're up north and I'm down south, I feel my Mirage would be a far more interesting comparison since it cost half of what your bike does :-)

[bugjuice]

A shame you're up north and I'm down south, I feel my Mirage would be a far more interesting comparison since it cost half of what your bike does :-)
lol.. it's not a price vs machine test.. Besides, Postie paid a third for the car of what I paid for the bike.. Is it worth asking more questions on it? engine, mods etc?

[WINJA]

In Aussie mag Motorcycle news was an article on a 600+hp $500,000 Porsche with Gemballa mods (fastest road going Porsche in Oz). Versus a stock R1 with sticky rubber.
Equivalent driver/rider (racers), Bike kicked its ass at the track to the tune of 1.5+ seconds a lap.
Previously the mag had a comparison of a Porsche versus a GSXR1000 K5 and the Porsches optional ceramic brake option cost more than the bike!!!
Bikes have trouble matching open wheeler race cars with big downforce but are more than capable of beating the rest.
ITS HARD TO CONVINCE SOME PEOPLE ON THIS SITE THAT AVERAGE BIKES ARE WAY FASTER THAN FAST CARS CAUSE FOR MOST PEOPLE ON THIS SITE ITS THEIR RIDING THAT LETS THE BIKE DOWN

[bugjuice]

ITS HARD TO CONVINCE SOME PEOPLE ON THIS SITE THAT AVERAGE BIKES ARE WAY FASTER THAN FAST CARS CAUSE FOR MOST PEOPLE ON THIS SITE ITS THEIR RIDING THAT LETS THE BIKE DOWN
that's why it'd be good to get an average driver, and an average rider, and do a stretch. Then even swap machines (no, no one is riding my bike)

[fishb8nz]

"Damon Hill beat everyone,but they disaloud his time"

1st: Damon Hill - 1m 46.3

2nd: Mark Webber - 1m 47.52 (very wet)
They put him in a seperate category.

Normal drivers

1st: Jimmy Carr - 1m 46.9
Now Jimmy Webb is a stand-up comedian, so to be 0.6 behind is no laughing matter.
Great program, anyway.

The F1 cars will always win. Braking is a huge advantage, having 4 wheels as is the grip from the amount of rubber in contact with the ground. As mentioned, the aerodynamics of wings are important too, even though the bike may have a higher power to weight ratio

[Lou Girardin]

Um. What do you believe would happen here?
Do you believe that the car or the bike would be quicker around the loop?

I know that a even a supercar can't overtake where a bike can, and in summer traffic that's all it takes.
Even Schumacher himself would be stuffed if he was stuck behind 15 cars following a campervan.
One consistant criticism of Lamborghini's, Ferrari's et all is that they are too wide for the average country road.

[WINJA]

that's why it'd be good to get an average driver, and an average rider, and do a stretch. Then even swap machines (no, no one is riding my bike)
SOME PEOPLE JUST CANT RIDE , EVERYONE I KNOW WHO CAN RIDE FAST CAN DRIVE FAST NOT EVERYONE WHO CAN DRIVE FAST CAN RIDE FAST .
WHY IS IT THAT RIDERS LIKE GARDNER AND SLIGHT BECOME CAR RACERS AFTER RIDING BIKES ? COULD IT BE THAT CARS ARE MORE TOLERANT OF FUCK UPS AND POOR CONTROL

[WINJA]

"Damon Hill beat everyone,but they disaloud his time"

1st: Damon Hill - 1m 46.3

2nd: Mark Webber - 1m 47.52 (very wet)
They put him in a seperate category.

Normal drivers

1st: Jimmy Carr - 1m 46.9
Now Jimmy Webb is a stand-up comedian, so to be 0.6 behind is no laughing matter.
Great program, anyway.

The F1 cars will always win. Braking is a huge advantage, having 4 wheels as is the grip from the amount of rubber in contact with the ground. As mentioned, the aerodynamics of wings are important too, even though the bike may have a higher power to weight ratio
VERY POOR FORM HOW TOP GEAR PUT A CBR600 AGAINST THE ATOM , THATS THE BOTTOM OF THE RANGE SPORTS BIKE AGAINST A HAND BUILT LOW VOLUME SPORTS CAR, THEY SHOULDA USED A CRESCENT GSXR1000 OR THE NEW YAMAHA R1 LIMITED EDITION , THAT CAR WOULDA BEEN BEAT

[bugjuice]

SOME PEOPLE JUST CANT RIDE , EVERYONE I KNOW WHO CAN RIDE FAST CAN DRIVE FAST NOT EVERYONE WHO CAN DRIVE FAST CAN RIDE FAST .
WHY IS IT THAT RIDERS LIKE GARDNER AND SLIGHT BECOME CAR RACERS AFTER RIDING BIKES ? COULD IT BE THAT CARS ARE MORE TOLERANT OF FUCK UPS AND POOR CONTROL
very valid point.
However, I was thinking of a driver that is adequately good on the bike too. This is flawed already then, huh?
K, I'll borrow Postie's car, drive that round and time myself. Then I'll take my bike around and time myself again..

[The Stranger]

Does anyone know how car vs bike lap times from Pukekohe stack up?

Once had a couple of Ducati's blast past me when I was in the SS.
They obviously ate the SS on the straits but I was able to recover on the twistie stuff, This lasted a fair while with them caning my ass on the straits and me hauling them back in on the corners until one of my passengers let go.

Oh well puke happens.

[WINJA]

Does anyone know how car vs bike lap times from Pukekohe stack up?

Once had a couple of Ducati's blast past me when I was in the SS.
They obviously ate the SS on the straits but I was able to recover on the twistie stuff, This lasted a fair while with them caning my ass on the straits and me hauling them back in on the corners until one of my passengers let go.

Oh well puke happens.
THE V8 SUPER CARS ARE DOING LAP TIMES THE SAME AND SOMETIMES BETTER THAN OUR TOP GUYS , BUT SAYING THAT THE AUSSIE RIDERS ARE PROLLY FASTER THAN OURS , EG KEVIN CURTAIN GOT A 58 FLAT DURING PRACTICE ON HIS SECOND LAP EVER OF PUKE , THATS RIGHT HE WHEELED THE BIKE OFF THE TRAILER WENT ON THE TRACK WHICH HED NEVER SEEN B4 DID A 58 CAME IN AND SAID "THERES ONLY 2 FUCKEN CORNERS" AND THAT WAS IN 99.
I MANAGED ON A COMPLETELY STOCK BIKE EXCEPT FOR EXHAUST MODS TO BEAT A RACED PREPPED BMW BEING TESTED THERE , HE HAD A RACE TEAM , I RODE MY BIKE THERE , HIS RIMS WERE WORTH MORE THAN MY BIKE , AND I HAD SECOND HAND RACE TYRES, WE WERENT ALOWED ON THE TRACK TOGETHER UNFORTUNATELY

[pritch]

Previously the mag had a comparison of a Porsche versus a GSXR1000 K5 and the Porsches optional ceramic brake option cost more than the bike!!!


I read that article, loved it, particularly the comment about the brake option..
:-)

[bugjuice]

V8 race times are around the 58 second mark. F1 bikes (1000cc class) are running around mid 59s on a good day at Puke

[Sniper]

V8 race times are around the 58 second mark. F1 bikes (1000cc class) are running around mid 59s on a good day at Puke

Just wait till R1Aaron gets on a bike. :devil2:

[WINJA]

very valid point.
However, I was thinking of a driver that is adequately good on the bike too. This is flawed already then, huh?
K, I'll borrow Postie's car, drive that round and time myself. Then I'll take my bike around and time myself again..
A GOOD COMPARO IS PIHA , I RACED A 225KW COMODORE FROM THE SCENIC DRIVE JUNCTION TO THE BEACH AND IT WAS NO CONTEST , I ONLY NEEDED 4TH TO BEAT HIS TOP END AND ON THE DOWN HILL TURNS HIS CAR WAS EASILY BRAKING TRACTION AND SOMETIMES CONTACT AND THE BIKE HAD HEAPS TO GO , I WAS WAVING HIM PAST AND THEN OVERTAKING HIM AGAIN.
I HAD A MATE WHOS DEAD NOW BUT HE WAS THE LEGEND , HE BORROWED A TZR250 THE ONE WITH THE SINGLE DISC , IT HAD A BUCKLED FRONT WHEEL , IT WAS NOT AT ALL STRAIGHT AFTER BEING IN MULTILE ACCIDENTS , IT WAS HELD TOGETHER WITH DUCT TAPE AND CABLE TIES.
HE RACED A MILDLY WORKED VR4 ROUND RIDDEL ROAD AND ABSOLUTELY KICKED IT , THE VR4 DRIVER WAS A GOOD RIDER AND A VERY GOOD DRIVER, THE CAR WAS ALMOST FUCKED AFTER THE RACE , THE BRAKES HAD STOPPED WORKING AND THE MOTOR HAD OVERHEATED, THE TZR WENT BACK TO LIFE AS A SHOPPING CART FOR A FEW MORE YEARS THE CAR BLEW UP A FEW DAYS LATER

[bugjuice]

A GOOD COMPARO IS PIHA , I RACED A 225KW COMODORE FROM THE SCENIC DRIVE JUNCTION TO THE BEACH AND IT WAS NO CONTEST , I ONLY NEEDED 4TH TO BEAT HIS TOP END AND ON THE DOWN HILL TURNS HIS CAR WAS EASILY BRAKING TRACTION AND SOMETIMES CONTACT AND THE BIKE HAD HEAPS TO GO , I WAS WAVING HIM PAST AND THEN OVERTAKING HIM AGAIN.
I HAD A MATE WHOS DEAD NOW BUT HE WAS THE LEGEND , HE BORROWED A TZR250 THE ONE WITH THE SINGLE DISC , IT HAD A BUCKLED FRONT WHEEL , IT WAS NOT AT ALL STRAIGHT AFTER BEING IN MULTILE ACCIDENTS , IT WAS HELD TOGETHER WITH DUCT TAPE AND CABLE TIES.
HE RACED A MILDLY WORKED VR4 ROUND RIDDEL ROAD AND ABSOLUTELY KICKED IT , THE VR4 DRIVER WAS A GOOD RIDER AND A VERY GOOD DRIVER, THE CAR WAS ALMOST FUCKED AFTER THE RACE , THE BRAKES HAD STOPPED WORKING AND THE MOTOR HAD OVERHEATED, THE TZR WENT BACK TO LIFE AS A SHOPPING CART FOR A FEW MORE YEARS THE CAR BLEW UP A FEW DAYS LATER
Piha run is quite short tho, and the good twistie bits towards Piha are too residential, which is a shame, cos that's where it starts getting good.
I've seen cars get down to the beach and have smoke pouring from their brakes before. Also had chronic fade in a car too.

The thing with the loop, is that it's littered with awesome twisty sections, and some very fast sections with long sweepers in. It's a good long mix. Well, if not the loop, then a good section of it.. I prefer the west side at the moment, but I'll have to do the loop a few more times, just to confirm it..

I've never actually done the whole loop. I've gone up the west coast and east coast a few times, but turned back for one reason or another. So have to complete the loop some time soon.. Against a car would be fun tho

[SimJen]

VERY POOR FORM HOW TOP GEAR PUT A CBR600 AGAINST THE ATOM , THATS THE BOTTOM OF THE RANGE SPORTS BIKE AGAINST A HAND BUILT LOW VOLUME SPORTS CAR, THEY SHOULDA USED A CRESCENT GSXR1000 OR THE NEW YAMAHA R1 LIMITED EDITION , THAT CAR WOULDA BEEN BEAT

Clarkson hates bikes simple as that. Shit test with the CBR600, not very fair.
Grip would have been a problem, the rider looked like he wasn't giving it much in the corners.....possibly needed a few laps to warm tires. Car beat it but not by a lot.
The Atom has given a crescent suzuki a run for its money in an english car mag - EVO i think. Think they were pretty even. Atom beat a stock GSXR1000 by quite a bit. The Crescent 1000 was kicked by the Radical SR3 a road legal race car which was the fastest car of the bunch that day.
The Atom was the slower version though.....not the 300hp, 500kg high spec jobbie thats now available.
I drove the 240hp version and its damn fast......0-100km/hr in 3.5secs or thereabouts. Very quick and lightning fast response.

[WINJA]

Clarkson hates bikes simple as that. Shit test with the CBR600, not very fair.
Grip would have been a problem, the rider looked like he wasn't giving it much in the corners.....possibly needed a few laps to warm tires. Car beat it but not by a lot.
The Atom has given a crescent suzuki a run for its money in an english car mag - EVO i think. Think they were pretty even. Atom beat a stock GSXR1000 by quite a bit. The Crescent 1000 was kicked by the Radical SR3 a road legal race car which was the fastest car of the bunch that day.
The Atom was the slower version though.....not the 300hp, 500kg high spec jobbie thats now available.
I drove the 240hp version and its damn fast......0-100km/hr in 3.5secs or thereabouts. Very quick and lightning fast response.
WHOS WAS RIDING THE CRESCENT? WAS IT A PAINT JOB CRESCENT OR THE 200HP REAL DEAL?

[SimJen]

it was the real deal. Slighty was one of the riders....other I think was John Reynolds BSB champ.

[WINJA]

it was the real deal. Slighty was one of the riders....other I think was John Reynolds BSB champ.
FAIR ENUF THATS BEAT FAIR AND SQUARE THEN

[ManDownUnder]

A shame you're up north and I'm down south, I feel my Mirage would be a far more interesting comparison since it cost half of what your bike does :-)

I came across a Mirage the other day - that thing was absolutely on fire!

The burned out shell's still sitting down the end of our street...

[bugjuice]

I came across a Mirage the other day - that thing was absolutely on fire!

The burned out shell's still sitting down the end of our street...
is (was) it a black car, and the back burnt out and the front just has a dent in the bumper, but generally not too bad for something that's been on fire..?? And the interior is completely gutted? Parked on the side of the main road

[Lou Girardin]

There was a rumour that Stroud did an unofficial 56.5 - 57 sec lap during practice for the Puke endurance race.

[Motu]

I would of liked to take on a bike on a twisty road in my Charade Turbo,for a $100 car it fucking kicked arse! I don't think a $100 motorcycle would get anywhere near it.Pity a bus took it out....

[SPORK]

I would of liked to take on a bike on a twisty road in my Charade Turbo,for a $100 car it fucking kicked arse! I don't think a $100 motorcycle would get anywhere near it.Pity a bus took it out....

We all know that that's what it looked like BEFORE Motu got around to doing the mods. Here's what it looked like shortly before the crash. \/\/

[Monsterbishi]

lol.. it's not a price vs machine test.. Besides, Postie paid a third for the car of what I paid for the bike.. Is it worth asking more questions on it? engine, mods etc?

2L Turbo, 4wd, 1087.5kg's pushing out about 210kw at the front & rear lsd equipped wheels, 12.5@111mph with tyre issues...

[marty]

so a stock anything sprotbike over 600cc will kick its arse in a 400m drag race then?

even the almighty (1997!)TL will do 10.5 @ 130-ish mph

http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mccompare/97twins2.html

[Monsterbishi]

so a stock anything sprotbike over 600cc will kick its arse in a 400m drag race then?

Assuming the rider has got the stones to try and launch hard enough, yup, then corners get involved, and it's all over for the bike :-)

[bugjuice]

2L Turbo, 4wd, 1087.5kg's pushing out about 210kw at the front & rear lsd equipped wheels, 12.5@111mph with tyre issues...
fairy fluff.. bring it on..