NZ built racing specials

[husaberg]

IE
Bert Munro, Burt Munro.
Mo Haley,
John Britten.
BSL500,
Dick Huurdeman
Steve Roberts
Ken Mcintosh
Scott Griffith (Team GPR) multi talented frame builder and tuner with atrocious spelling
Sike Sinclair TR500 Suzuki t500 specials
Brook Henry Kiwi born and bred, AKA Vee Two engineering Perth
Alister Sabiston
George Begg -
Stu Whyte - ChCh based. Early BEARS member and the builder of a number of TT2 Ducati replica frames.
Jim Cashman - Probably NZ's first really successful 2 stroke tuner. Then his masterpiece the C3 350 triple based on Suzuki 380 bits won the support class of the Marlbro series beating the reigning 350 world champ in the process
Bruce Roberts - ChCh based, dirt bike frames. mainly Metisse copies.
Howard Anderson - Chch based, continuation of the Mo Haley duplex frames for BSA etc
Fred McLean and Peter Pinion AKA Frepin
SeanRNZAF aka Nardo
dick leppard
john blaymires
steve raffils
ken campbell
Westoby
Greg Thomas AKA Santa
Colin Lyster - Nelson based but long history of frame building in the UK. Believed to have built G50 frames here plus a known batch of Honda frames shortly before his death.
Trevor Tolhurst - ChCh based fabricator of drag cars who built a batch of Norton featherbed frames as well as at least one sidecar chassis.
Ray Breingan - Hawkes Bay. Long history of frame building in the UK incl doing the majority of the Drixton Aermacchi frames for Syd Lawton. Known to have built several frames back here in NZ.
Kim Newcombe http://www.odd-bike.com/2013/04/konig-500-gp-outboard-powered-underdog.html
Dickie Lawton

Feel free to add to the list of names or add what pictures reminiscences and articles you may have.
Or fix my spelling

[pete-blen]

NOT to forget........ Kim Newcome....
not really NZ built..but by a NZer... close enough...

http://www.odd-bike.com/2013/04/konig-500-gp-outboard-powered-underdog.html




...

[jellywrestler]

IE
Bert Monroe,
Mo Haley,
John Britten.
BSL500,
Dick Huurdeman
Steve Roberts
Ken Macintosh
Brook Henry
Alister Sabiston


Feel free to add to the list of names or add what pictures reminiscences and articles you may have.

burt munro
ken mcintosh
dick leppard self built formula one sidecar and won nz championships with it
john blaymires self built formula one sidecar and won nz championships with it
steve raffils recerates original bikes, 8 valve harleys and indians
ken campbell v8 indian in a four frame

[husaberg]

Colin Roberts

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The Pete Jones mentioned is KB's own Oyster
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/member.php/6786-oyster

[Grumph]

George Begg - built a couple of frames for Classics for his own use.

Bruce Roberts - ChCh based, dirt bike frames. mainly Metisse copies.

Howard Anderson - Chch based, continuation of the Mo Haley duplex frames for BSA etc Classics.

Colin Lyster - Nelson based but long history of frame building in the UK. Believed to have built G50 frames here plus a known batch of Honda frames shortly before his death.

Trevor Tolhurst - ChCh based fabricator of drag cars who built a batch of Norton featherbed frames as well as at least one sidecar chassis.

Ray Breingan - Hawkes Bay. Long history of frame building in the UK incl doing the majority of the Drixton Aermacchi frames for Syd Lawton. Known to have built several frames back here in NZ.

[husaberg]

this is Grumph talking BTW.
the story as I've been told it....Pa Westoby went to the UK in the late 70's. Saw the waddon/EMC Rotax that were being raced.
Took pics - and maybe did a sly measure up as well. Came home with two Rotax 125 motors - and it would seem a seat/tank unit as well.

They built two 125's and a spare frame as well. The two sons raced the 125's quite extensively. Some time pre 82 the third frame was turned into
a bucket with a 100 Yamaha motor. The original motor which the current owner still has uses a piston port water cooled barrel which is believed to
have been cast from Jim Cashman's patterns for the C3 barrels. Currently a reed valve barrel is fitted.
For the younger ones - the C3 was a Timaru built 350 three based on Suzuki 380 crank and cases. water cooled barrels of course.
In the support 350 class of the Marlboro Series Jim Landrebe riding the C3 beat the reigning 350 World Champ, Chas Mortimer.
Cashman was the first really good NZ based two stroke tuner.

The last time we spoke to the Westobys they still had the two Rotax 125's tucked away. Lex who had the bucket was finishing off the
replica motor for the Richard Pearse aircraft which was finished in time to fly for the anniversary of Pearce's flight.

The problem for the owner of this bucket is just what to do with it....it's such a historic piece of work. Bringing it up to date with 17in wheels etc
is not really worth doing. I've suggested restoring it nicely and running it at the occasional CAMS meeting.

[husaberg]

Bert/Burt Monro
I have plenty of stuff but I will start with this as its a period piece done when Bert was still alive.
This below is well worth a read

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/81594219/saved-from-a-skip--the-lost-burt-munro-interviews

[Kickaha]

Trevor Tolhurst - ChCh based fabricator of drag cars who built a batch of Norton featherbed frames as well as at least one sidecar chassis.
The sidecar chassis was crap, the orignal idea was to copy Battletruck but somehow stuff got altered and it just didn't work as it should have

I thought it was his brother who made the Nortons?

[Rcktfsh]

Dickie Lawton

[Grumph]

The sidecar chassis was crap, the orignal idea was to copy Battletruck but somehow stuff got altered and it just didn't work as it should have

I thought it was his brother who made the Nortons?

Trev made a couple for his Bro - then got talked into making more as he'd built a jig...Still got it, too.

[Grumph]

If you're putting a name forward for the list, please give some idea of what they did....
as in

Alister Sabiston - ChCh based, built under the "Elsab" label. Took over Russell motors in ChCh. Dirt bikes. Frequently Villiers powered. Landed a batch of I believe 6 Starmaker engines and framed at least 4 of them. I know where one of the most successful is sitting at present.

[Kickaha]

If you're putting a name forward for the list, please give some idea of what they did....
as in

Alister Sabiston - ChCh based, built under the "Elsab" label. Took over Russell motors in ChCh. Dirt bikes. Frequently Villiers powered. Landed a batch of I believe 6 Starmaker engines and framed at least 4 of them. I know where one of the most successful is sitting at present.

Built road going sidecars as well, wasn't he running the Rangitata Oasis ?

[Grumph]

Built road going sidecars as well, wasn't he running the Rangitata Oasis ?

Correct - i'd forgotten the Sabiston sidecars. Sold the oasis some time back and retired to Geraldine.

[Grumph]

Jim Cashman - Timaru/Dunedin based. Probably NZ's first really successful 2 stroke tuner. Yes, I know Dick Lawton did good on the international stage later but Jim's T20 won the NZ title in '68 with Richard Tapper riding. Then his masterpiece the C3 350 triple based on Suzuki 380 bits won the support class of the Marlbro series beating the reigning 350 world champ in the process - Jim Landrebe riding. Jim C learned foundry skills - needed to make the C3 cylinders - while a med student in Dunedin, working part time in a local foundry. Killed in a road accident in France 2012.

Stu Whyte - ChCh based. Early BEARS member and the builder of a number of TT2 Ducati replica frames. For some years the go - to man for BEARS Ducati racers wanting special bits.

[husaberg]

More Bert/Bert Monro
In the first post in this thread is a pic of his Paddlewheel dyno
Legend has it, no one ever helped him run it twice.

[F5 Dave]

How many bikes have the hillbillies built? Probably six odd?

[Grumph]

How many bikes have the hillbillies built? Probably six odd?

I'd guess more than that - and some very odd...
Scott deserves his own listing, done by someone who knows more about his output. I know of at least one NZ title ?
Most of those listed are no longer active and it's hard to know just what to put about a current builder.

[husaberg]

I'd guess more than that - and some very odd...
Scott deserves his own listing, done by someone who knows more about his output. I know of at least one NZ title ?
Most of those listed are no longer active and it's hard to know just what to put about a current builder.

Well I would start with the only person on KB with worse spelling than me:innocent:

[husaberg]

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[HenryDorsetCase]

If you're putting a name forward for the list, please give some idea of what they did....
as in

Alister Sabiston - ChCh based, built under the "Elsab" label. Took over Russell motors in ChCh. Dirt bikes. Frequently Villiers powered. Landed a batch of I believe 6 Starmaker engines and framed at least 4 of them. I know where one of the most successful is sitting at present.

dont forget the sidecars! (admittedly the road going ones) or is it like not mentioning the War?

[F5 Dave]

Never seen that article before. Probably in some sort of cashed up ponsy private collectors hands now.

[husaberg]

If you're putting a name forward for the list, please give some idea of what they did....
as in

Alister Sabiston - ChCh based, built under the "Elsab" label. Took over Russell motors in ChCh. Dirt bikes. Frequently Villiers powered. Landed a batch of I believe 6 Starmaker engines and framed at least 4 of them. I know where one of the most successful is sitting at present.
http://amsracing.com/product/1970-0-el-saber-triumph-t100-500cc-mx#prettyPhoto


I am pretty sure this is a one of Alister Sabistons
That i remember my father having it when i was a kid
I asked him the other day he thinks he sold the frame to a guy in Kaikoura.
He's pretty sure the engine out of it ended up in Barry Keehans Villers special.
Here is a fuzzy pic or two out of a photo Album.
It had BSA forks and rickman copy fibreglass anyway
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Also a bonus pic of Ruatapu complete with "timber" haybales
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[roogazza]

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Cheers mate , really enjoyed reading that old stuff. Dave was always the 'Thinker' !
Whenever out for a ride we'd stop for a breather and often, he'd be thinking of ways to go faster.
Recently caught up with him when he was on holiday here. Spent 4 hours yakking about old times, as we'd gone in different directions and countries thirty years ago. Top bloke.

[husaberg]

Cheers mate , really enjoyed reading that old stuff. Dave was always the 'Thinker' !
Whenever out for a ride we'd stop for a breather and often, he'd be thinking of ways to go faster.
Recently caught up with him when he was on holiday here. Spent 4 hours yakking about old times, as we'd gone in different directions and countries thirty years ago. Top bloke.

He is a very talented bloke.

[jellywrestler]

He is a very talented bloke.

have a read on the roberts rear suspension idea bit, it says the next move is to put the shock in front of the engine, that's exactly what john Britten did, i'm just reading guy martins book who is a huge Britten fan, he details a visit to Steve Roberts workshop and says it is very clear where Britten got ideas from.

[husaberg]

have a read on the roberts rear suspension idea bit, it says the next move is to put the shock in front of the engine, that's exactly what john Britten did, i'm just reading guy martins book who is a huge Britten fan, he details a visit to Steve Roberts workshop and says it is very clear where Britten got ideas from.

John pretty much admitted so himself, same as the CF composites. He also credited Hossack for the front. But like Mike Sinclear thought it looked ungainly.
It needs to be remebered how much input mike had into the suspension and frame geometry etc.
Yamaha also had a shock funny postitioned but mounted crossways arround that time.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=257527&d=1329124408
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=257527&d=1329124408
ow61 then refined two years later into the RZ500 underneath.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/87/85/28/878528540d3a2e545cf1954a906b42a5.jpg
THe KR250 also had it under the engine as well as the first buell XR1000s
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/album.php?albumid=4876&attachmentid=330716

[jellywrestler]

THe KR250 also had it under the engine as well as the first buell XR1000s

yeah but that's under compression, roberts and britten were under tension

[husaberg]

yeah but that's under compression, roberts and britten were under tension

As were the OW61 and the RZ500 and the 1930s Moto guzzi
which brings me on Shaun AKA Nardo ( I did know his last name but i have forgotten it.)
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[jellywrestler]

As were the OW61 and the RZ500 and the 1930s Moto guzzi
which brings me on Shaun AKA Nardo ( did know his last name but i have forgotten it.

sean kitchen, a good mate for years, he offered me his bevel frame more than once but i don't have the time...
the OW01 was vertical and the rz solid mount at the front and compressed the shock from the rear of the bike, roberts was mounted at the back and the front of the shock was pulled to comression buy a rod to the back, hence the name tension suspension, location the same but completely differnt actian

[husaberg]

sean kitchen, a good mate for years, he offered me his bevel frame more than once but i don't have the time...

Thats it, re above that frame was a work of art, as were the aesthetics.
Its nothing remarkable in the ideas but how they were all put together into a clever cohesive design
It was a sum of all its parts that worked together in unison form something profound, both beautiful, elegant and cured the origonal weakness of the Ducati long bus chassis.
The pictures show he also had a great grasp of asthetic proportions as it still looks great 25+ years later



the OW01 was vertical and the rz solid mount at the front and compressed the shock from the rear of the bike, roberts was mounted at the back and the front of the shock was pulled to comression buy a rod to the back, hence the name tension suspension, location the same but completely differnt actian

Yes i am aware of the differences i think were are crossing what each is refering to, i was refering to two different things both the location and the principle, as the article says nothing much origional is ever really that new or novel.
John and the team moved the shock to the front on the redesigned Girder forked britten because he had moved te radiator. They filled the space in order to both keep the weight forward and to better cool the shock.

The next home built special which i do rember racing against is the John Eyles special
Pretty sure he looked at both the britten and the Robert bikes.
The chassis was destroyed i think in the last Wigram bucket race in about 91.
It was a BIG 130cc bike;)
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Kbs own Speedpro won that race.
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[husaberg]

The Roberts Plastic fantastic in action

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9ixrj_wanganui-road-race-1983_auto

[actungbaby]

Thanks dude was cool . Ive got video tape of the tv coverage of the wanaganui 85-86 scotty on the v3 honda . If u want it.


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[husaberg]

Thanks dude was cool . Ive got video tape of the tv coverage of the wanaganui 85-86 scotty on the v3 honda . If u want it.


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Yeah that would be neat

[husaberg]

I never heard of this one.
But its from Griff Country i think
Its shown on the TVNV on demand start it up with the Leyland van
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/shows/start-me-up/episodes/s1-e5
this is where the screen shots are from
Grump mentioned the owner a while back as he had beat colemans mile grass track record.
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[F5 Dave]

Huh, I was in Peters lockup a couple of months back looking at his collection of 2 strokes.

[husaberg]

I just looked on the Map and was surprised how close it was to Welly, my nz geography is a bit shit i thought it was close to palm north.
Here is some more stuff.
Flet needs his own museum
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[lozz900]

John pretty much admitted so himself, same as the CF composites. He also credited Hossack for the front. But like Mike Sinclear thought it looked ungainly.
It needs to be remebered how much input mike had into the suspension and frame geometry etc.
Yamaha also had a shock funny postitioned but mounted crossways arround that time.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=257527&d=1329124408
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=257527&d=1329124408
ow61 then refined two years later into the RZ500 underneath.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/87/85/28/878528540d3a2e545cf1954a906b42a5.jpg
THe KR250 also had it under the engine as well as the first buell XR1000s
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/album.php?albumid=4876&attachmentid=330716

Do you know if Mike Sinclair had any input into the NZ racing scene around the time the suspension you mentioned appeared on the OW61?
One of my buddy's has an original condition Ducati GT race bike thats been lost forever. It has a modified frame and swing arm with no mount points for conventional rear shocks. It does however have mount tabs on the top of the swing arm right back by the axle and on the frame rails right below the riders ass.. a version of the OW61 rear suspension could have been in play.
We are trying to piece together its history and the rear suspension puzzle is part of it..
I'll try and upload a picture, its an interesting piece of history

[husaberg]

Do you know if Mike Sinclair had any input into the NZ racing scene around the time the suspension you mentioned appeared on the OW61?
One of my buddy's has an original condition Ducati GT race bike thats been lost forever. It has a modified frame and swing arm with no mount points for conventional rear shocks. It does however have mount tabs on the top of the swing arm right back by the axle and on the frame rails right below the riders ass.. a version of the OW61 rear suspension could have been in play.
We are trying to piece together its history and the rear suspension puzzle is part of it..
I'll try and upload a picture, its an interesting piece of history

he wrote a book i guess it would be in it?
I dont know mike but i know people that do talk to him.
a guy who used to be an air force guy "Nardo"did a Ducati square case with suspension like that in an alloy frame with a funny front end.
i have posted it before

[lozz900]

So Mike Sinclair is still around ? Thats good news.. I'd really like to know the history of this bike, its pretty distinctive, someone must remember it. I'll read his book and see what turns up..
Thanks for that.

[jellywrestler]

So Mike Sinclair is still around ? Thats good news.. I'd really like to know the history of this bike, its pretty distinctive, someone must remember it. I'll read his book and see what turns up..
Thanks for that.

Mike lives in chch, he won't be hard to find if you know the right people.

[husaberg]

The other Ducati
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/145224-Race-chassis?p=1130258030#post1130258030

[Grumph]

So Mike Sinclair is still around ? Thats good news.. I'd really like to know the history of this bike, its pretty distinctive, someone must remember it. I'll read his book and see what turns up..
Thanks for that.

I'd doubt if Mike's ever seen that one. When he was back in NZ he generally had little to do with the local scene. Apart from working with John, the only exception was when Cathcart shared the BMS Ducati with Holden, Mike looking after Cathcart was part of the deal. That lasted two meetings I think - until Robert blew the thing to pieces at the GP.

This Ducati I'd pick was a BEARS bike. I've never seen it in ChCh - but I know Dave Sewell has the mould for that seat and tank. The person i'd track down would be Lindsay Williamson. Currently I think an Indian agent with premises somewhere out Leeston way. Maybe ask Steve Bridge too. It may have been a NI bike back when there was an active BEARS scene there.

[lozz900]

I'd doubt if Mike's ever seen that one. When he was back in NZ he generally had little to do with the local scene. Apart from working with John, the only exception was when Cathcart shared the BMS Ducati with Holden, Mike looking after Cathcart was part of the deal. That lasted two meetings I think - until Robert blew the thing to pieces at the GP.

This Ducati I'd pick was a BEARS bike. I've never seen it in ChCh - but I know Dave Sewell has the mould for that seat and tank. The person i'd track down would be Lindsay Williamson. Currently I think an Indian agent with premises somewhere out Leeston way. Maybe ask Steve Bridge too. It may have been a NI bike back when there was an active BEARS scene there.

Hey thanks, thats a good lead, I'd forgotten about BEARS .
Was Lindsay active in the BEARS scene during this era?
I've talked to Steve and he's offered a lead also...
I don't know so much about the motor and front end but the rest of it looks like it went together...
It would be cool if I could get that suspension to work again..
It would be something different...

[Grumph]

Lindsay was one of the founding fathers - and active for a very long while in the club.

He'll have seen everything run at BEARS meetings in that period, but how good his memory is I don't know.

Another ChCh name who might know something would be Phil Payne. I have no idea where he is now, sorry.

The well known Photographer Euan Cameron was at all of those Sound of Thunder meetings. I'm told he's on facebook.
He might be able to find a pic of the bike in action. Another one is Brian Hopping who's recently put a lot of his pics up on facebook.

[lozz900]

Lindsay was one of the founding fathers - and active for a very long while in the club.

He'll have seen everything run at BEARS meetings in that period, but how good his memory is I don't know.

Another ChCh name who might know something would be Phil Payne. I have no idea where he is now, sorry.

The well known Photographer Euan Cameron was at all of those Sound of Thunder meetings. I'm told he's on facebook.
He might be able to find a pic of the bike in action. Another one is Brian Hopping who's recently put a lot of his pics up on facebook.

Thank you so much... there's a ton of research there.
Am I correct that the OW61 type suspension was disregarded relatively quickly because it wasn't that great but it kickstarted a new and rapid phase of suspension innovation ..
I thought of Sinclair because of its similarly to yamahas setup and thought maybe he had an idea of his own that he wanted to try..

There's also a pair of tabs on the swing arm in the center about 75 mm back from the pivot.. maybe the top mechanism pushed the shock down and the swing arm pushed the shock up,and the shock was vertical .. similar but different to the Yamaha version .

Very interesting. Thanks for your help.

[Grumph]

The OW61 was itself an interim model. It's now a footnote in the YZ500 development. The shock position was quickly found to be trouble.
It got too hot.

If your Duc has tabs part way along the arm, It makes me think of the Kawasaki system as used on the first 250 tandem twins of a top rocker with a pair of links off the arm'
Or the Suzuki full floater setup.

I'm sure husa can come up with pics of both systems - after which you can look on the frame for other pickup points.

[husaberg]

he probably could
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but some better pics of the Ducati would be better.

the other reason that short swingarms never caught on was longer ones work better its better to make the engine archetchure shorter by stacking the components or making the heads shorter or tilting the engine or shortening the stroke or making the swingarm pivot the same as the rear mounts as Ducati all did later.

The alchemy solution designed by the other Henry as used by the above mentioned phil payne was the best solution i seen.

who used to scrutineer bears Greg?
i likely have a few old programs from the 90's
what bevel duke did Dave Moore used to ride?

[Grumph]

Can't remember the scrutineer's name - but he died a few years back anyway.

The only big Duc that Dave rode to my knowledge was a big belt drive. 850 or so, ex the US with Daytona history. Ex NCR via Reno Leoni. Still in ChCh afaik.

[husaberg]

Can't remember the scrutineer's name - but he died a few years back anyway.

The only big Duc that Dave rode to my knowledge was a big belt drive. 850 or so, ex the US with Daytona history. Ex NCR via Reno Leoni. Still in ChCh afaik.

Might have been Pantah based all i remember it was an odd size like 888 or 851 at the time when no one had a WC 851 or 888
i remember him riding an Ag100 a TZ and a Ducati one year at Grey around 1990
You mentioned a Harris pipe i guess the original dude is dead also?

[lozz900]

he probably could
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but some better pics of the Ducati would be better.

the other reason that short swingarms never caught on was longer ones work better its better to make the engine archetchure shorter by stacking the components or making the heads shorter or tilting the engine or shortening the stroke or making the swingarm pivot the same as the rear mounts as Ducati all did later.

The alchemy solution designed by the other Henry as used by the above mentioned phil payne was the best solution i seen.

who used to scrutineer bears Greg?
i likely have a few old programs from the 90's
what bevel duke did Dave Moore used to ride?

Yes .. ill take some pics, and mark them up.. there's more to this, I'd be interested in your thoughts

[lozz900]

I'd doubt if Mike's ever seen that one. When he was back in NZ he generally had little to do with the local scene. Apart from working with John, the only exception was when Cathcart shared the BMS Ducati with Holden, Mike looking after Cathcart was part of the deal. That lasted two meetings I think - until Robert blew the thing to pieces at the GP.

This Ducati I'd pick was a BEARS bike. I've never seen it in ChCh - but I know Dave Sewell has the mould for that seat and tank. The person i'd track down would be Lindsay Williamson. Currently I think an Indian agent with premises somewhere out Leeston way. Maybe ask Steve Bridge too. It may have been a NI bike back when there was an active BEARS scene there.
So where did Dave Seawall reside back in the day ? I hadn't considered these were made locally.

[Kickaha]

So where did Dave Seawall reside back in the day ? I hadn't considered these were made locally.

Hornby, Euroglass was the name of the business, he is Eurodave on here

[husaberg]

Hornby, Euroglass was the name of the business, he is Eurodave on here
Is that the same guy that is down in Southland now that advertises on Trademe?

[Grumph]

Is that the same guy that is down in Southland now that advertises on Trademe?

No - that's Dave Morris. And you knew that.

Dave Sewell will still do glass to order. And he has his enormous collection of moulds still.

[husaberg]

No - that's Dave Morris. And you knew that.

Dave Sewell will still do glass to order. And he has his enormous collection of moulds still.

Nah I only knew it was a Dave. also from you I think that the one down south had been in CHCH at some stage.
one was in St Asaph or Manchester or close by which one was that?

[Kickaha]

Nah I only knew it was a Dave. also from you I think that the one down south had been in CHCH at some stage.
one was in St Asaph or Manchester or close by which one was that?

Racelines was over St Asaph or maybe Tuam st way for a while run by another guy whose name escapes me who moved to Oz , slow as fuck to get anything done though

[Grumph]

Racelines was over St Asaph or maybe Tuam st way for a while run by another guy whose name escapes me who moved to Oz , slow as fuck to get anything done though

Paul Taylor. Down the road from us in St Asaph St. Last seen last summer. Importing Chinese quads. He had no idea where his moulds are now.

[lozz900]

Hornby, Euroglass was the name of the business, he is Eurodave on here
So on the pic of the bike I put up, is that tailpiece a 79 MHR copy or is it something else. ? It looks kinda MHR to me.

[Kickaha]

So on the pic of the bike I put up, is that tailpiece a 79 MHR copy or is it something else. ? It looks kinda MHR to me.

Looks MHR to me

[husaberg]

Same here esp with the fairing fo the shocks
Although isn't it a NCR patten that the MHB happened to replicate
AS the Hailwood bike likely came from NCR
edit yip i did
Steve Wynne live in NZ well he did last time i looked.
http://www.rezbikes.com/blogtest/2017/4/25/mike-hailwood-and-the-ncr-ducati-round-case-v-twin

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https://raresportbikesforsale.com/1978-ncr-ducati-900ss/

You never did post pics of the swingarm an shock linkages.

That tank on your bike is the tank I call the Imola tank.it belongs to an earlier generation.
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[Kickaha]

Steve Wynne live in NZ well he did last time i looked.


Still does
https://sportsvalve.com/

[jellywrestler]

Still does
https://sportsvalve.com/

that's not Steve Wynne anymore

[husaberg]

that's not Steve Wynne anymore

Hes still on the site?
https://sportsvalve.com/steve-wynne/

[jellywrestler]

Hes still on the site?
https://sportsvalve.com/steve-wynne/

and when is the last time you personally chatted with him?

[husaberg]

that's not Steve Wynne anymore


Hes still on the site?
https://sportsvalve.com/steve-wynne/

We are up and running so take a look at www.sportsvalve.com and let us know what you think? And if you know of any impossible to find parts you would like making, let us know.
Kindest regards to all you Ducati folk,

Steve Wynne





and when is the last time you personally chatted with him?

interesting....Because this is what my comment was, its still true even now it even included a question mark........
but hey mines 10 inches with plenty of girth.

[lozz900]

Same here esp with the fairing fo the shocks
Although isn't it a NCR patten that the MHB happened to replicate
AS the Hailwood bike likely came from NCR
edit yip i did
Steve Wynne live in NZ well he did last time i looked.
http://www.rezbikes.com/blogtest/2017/4/25/mike-hailwood-and-the-ncr-ducati-round-case-v-twin

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https://raresportbikesforsale.com/1978-ncr-ducati-900ss/

You never did post pics of the swingarm an shock linkages.

That tank on your bike is the tank I call the Imola tank.it belongs to an earlier
Interesting, ill get to those suspension pics, so am I correct in thinking that bodywork wise this could be no earlier than 1979. The year the MHR appeared. The engine and chassis is 78 ish

[husaberg]

Interesting, ill get to those suspension pics, so am I correct in thinking that bodywork wise this could be no earlier than 1979. The year the MHR appeared. The engine and chassis is 78 ish

I am no Ducatiaphobe
but the MHR was a replica of the NCR race bike
of around that era.
but tank and styling is often changed.
best way to date it is likely the wheel sizes.
Grumph mentioned the pipes look like CHCH made Harris pipes.
maybe try and fid some Ducati people that were involved in Bears of that era 80-90's Payne etc.

[ellipsis]

I am no Ducatiaphobe
.

...I am one of them...did you mean to say Ducatiphile...

[husaberg]

...I am one of them...did you mean to say Ducatiphile...

Possibly;)
They both involve probing into orifices

[Grumph]

I am no Ducatiaphobe
but the MHR was a replica of the NCR race bike
of around that era.
but tank and styling is often changed.
best way to date it is likely the wheel sizes.
Grumph mentioned the pipes look like CHCH made Harris pipes.
maybe try and fid some Ducati people that were involved in Bears of that era 80-90's Payne etc.

You could always send pics to Motorcycle Exhaust Systems asking if they remember it. They built most of the Harris pipes for Graham.
He's still around too. The one who would have known was Euan Cameron - no not the photographer, the other one who was involved with Harris and in Bears.
But he died a couple of years back. Better get onto these guys fairly soon. Memories are fading fast among them .

[lozz900]

Interesting, ill get to those suspension pics, so am I correct in thinking that bodywork wise this could be no earlier than 1979. The year the MHR appeared. The engine and chassis is 78 ish

So here's those long awaited suspension pics, arrowed are what I can only assume are suspension and linkage mount points, they are all 12 mm plate, the other misc tabs are 1-2 mm thick .
Note that the diagonal tube going up to support the rear hoop has been cut and tucked also, on a gts they normally go down to the swingarm pivot point. Im going to say it was a monoshock with linkages to the rear of the swing arm like the yamaha OW61
of the same era except perhaps the shock was vertical.

[husaberg]

nice write up
https://amcn.com.au/editorial/dukes-of-wellington/

i have pdf'd it here incase it falls of the webpage

[jellywrestler]

nice write up
https://amcn.com.au/editorial/dukes-of-wellington/

i have pdf'd it here incase it falls of the webpage

it was me that got Dallas into getting the Duke of Wellington off the shelf and on it's feet a couple of years back, learnt a bit about it in the process too.

[Grumph]

Looking at the pic in front of the shop with Robert on board, the f&f's got a flat boot. Someone should surely have noticed that.
I miss Dick. Always went and had a yarn with him, swapping ideas.

[husaberg]

I thought i had posted the stuff from the Streetbike i have posted the pic but going back through here not the story next time i trip over it i will scan it in.
I suspected that Spider might know a bit more about it.
Did any of the Supermono's stay in NZ?
between those and the orginai 916 they rank to me to be some of the most exquisitely styled bikes ever made of that era

[F5 Dave]

That can site has some good articles, cheers for the link.

[husaberg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB17YManFDw
Many years ago i worked with Larry.
People forget how good Hugh was on a "scrambler" also from memory he also represented England in the ISDE

some other famous NZ names

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZH-Xndts0g

pretty sure i posted this before

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MNKsvJ3C4c&t=147s

Some overseas stars

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9KQtuHOlDM

[Grumph]

Smith and Bickers gave a day for rider training while in ChCh during their visit. From memory the circuit used was just north of Kaiapoi - east side of the main road and north of where the back road from Kaiapoi joins SH1.
Nice guys and very approachable. Big turnout of locals to see them and listen including me.

Pretty sure I picked out Trev Kirby in the Hamilton video. One of many riding RD's.

[pete376403]

Smith and Bickers gave a day for rider training while in ChCh during their visit. From memory the circuit used was just north of Kaiapoi - east side of the main road and north of where the back road from Kaiapoi joins SH1.
Nice guys and very approachable. Big turnout of locals to see them and listen including me.

Pretty sure I picked out Trev Kirby in the Hamilton video. One of many riding RD's.

A freind did a rider training day with Dave Bickers at Queen Elizabeth park (P'ram) - initial instruction was for riders to remove the bike seat and learn to ride while remaining standing.