South China Sea Conflict

[awa355]

What do you think, Chinese Posturing? or something that has the potential to blow up into a major conflict?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-36781138

I think the Americans have the grunt to deal to China, but there would be a huge amount of damage done to that region in doing so.

[Voltaire]

What do you think, Chinese Posturing? or something that has the potential to blow up into a major conflict?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-36781138

I think the Americans have the grunt to deal to China, but there would be a huge amount of damage done to that region in doing so.

Surely America is warred out by now?

Must be Chinas turn to have a sea empire, don't want to be out done by the Japanese.

Will it be like the Battle of Midway ( in Sensurround)

[Big Dog]

Surely America is warred out by now?

Must be Chinas turn to have a sea empire, don't want to be out done by the Japanese.

Will it be like the Battle of Midway ( in Sensurround)
War is big business.
Never underestimate man's greed or stupidity.

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[Virago]

Someone should be along soon to blame Israel.

[ellipsis]

I blame Israel Dagg!...

[Oakie]

What do you think, Chinese Posturing? or something that has the potential to blow up into a major conflict? .

China has a deep belief that the area belongs to them ... similar to Israel v Palestine. They have a pretty good military although I think only one aircraft carrier which i think they bought from Russia. Many coast based missiles though so they have a long reach.

For an interesting take on how this could turn out I refer you to the Tom Clancy novel 'Threat Vector'.

[oldrider]

What do you think, Chinese Posturing? or something that has the potential to blow up into a major conflict?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-36781138

I think the Americans have the grunt to deal to China, but there would be a huge amount of damage done to that region in doing so.

China has backed its expansive claims with island-building and naval patrols. The US says it does not take sides in territorial disputes, but has sent military ships and planes near disputed islands, calling them "freedom of navigation" operations to ensure access to key shipping and air routes.

So what has it got to do with America? - Why don't they just MTOB for a change? - Leave it to the dis-United Nations to sort out! :facepalm:

[Dadpole]

China will simply copy the USA and refuse to acknowledge any international ruling that doesn't agree with them.

[husaberg]

China has a deep belief that the area belongs to them ... similar to Israel v Palestine. They have a pretty good military although I think only one aircraft carrier which i think they bought from Russia. Many coast based missiles though so they have a long reach.

For an interesting take on how this could turn out I refer you to the Tom Clancy novel 'Threat Vector'.

There is an old adage if things are not going well in the economy create a diversion.
#note China growth while being above the worlds av, is not meeting their own promised projections.
They don't really want a revolution but its inevitable, given the peoples hunger for Mcdonalds, Coke and Levi jeans.


China has backed its expansive claims with island-building and naval patrols. The US says it does not take sides in territorial disputes, but has sent military ships and planes near disputed islands, calling them "freedom of navigation" operations to ensure access to key shipping and air routes.

So what has it got to do with America? - Why don't they just MTOB for a change? - Leave it to the dis-United Nations to sort out! :facepalm:
Oldie Japan is allied with USA as is Korea and the Philippines, remember the waters that China is now asserting as their own are hundreds of KM's into the international waters zone.
Hence freedom of navigation operations, who do you seriously expect to call china's bluff?

[Brian d marge]

America has ring fenced china
Vietnam I think is taking delivery of American missiles not sure which ones ... they have been building up stuff here in Japan ..... all they need is to poke north Korea enough ( or indeed Russia) ...all of this smacks of Zbiginew Brzinsky the polish fker.
I mean the Hague ... as if that place is ever going to be unbiased .. the fkers

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[Brian d marge]

Someone should be along soon to blame Israel.
Canada

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[pritch]

The current drama has been simmering for years but China is now pushing hard. There are oil deposits around the Spratly Islands but it's not just about oil, it's also about fishing rights. Malaysia, The Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, and Taiwan, all have claims on the Spratly Islands in addition to China.

Everybody had been watching China build a military airstrip and nobody has done anything about it. Now what? Helen might be better off if she didn't win the race for Secretary General of the UN? The new appointee may inherit a giant problem.

[Brian d marge]

The UN tied states of Rockefeller... totally unbiased organization if there was one ...

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[Gremlin]

China ignores UN tribunal result
Agreements between Philippines, Malaysia etc (like Poland and UK)
China entering EEZ of other countries (ignoring international law)
China claiming land closer to other countries than their own
Clashes of Chinese military v fisherman

Yes, some worrying indications, and without some calm diplomacy, the potential for serious problems...

[jasonu]

Everybody had been watching China build a military airstrip and nobody has done anything about it. .

If something bad kicks off all the armchair experts will blame America for not dealing to the airstrip sooner...

[Voltaire]

Its either " why hasn't America done anything" or " War mongering Americans"

How is China's claim any different to America claiming :

Puerto Rico,Guam Northern Mariana Islands, the U.S. Virgin Islands, and American Samoa. Ten territories are small islands, atolls and reefs, spread across the Caribbean and Pacific, with no native or permanent populations: Palmyra Atoll, Baker Island, Howland Island, Jarvis Island, Johnston Atoll, Kingman Reef, Wake Island, Midway Islands, Navassa Island and Serranilla Bank. Uninhabited Bajo Nuevo Bank is administered by Colombia, but claimed by the United States under the Guano Islands Act.

[TheDemonLord]

In b4 the US parks a Carrier group somewhere near the South China sea.

[TheDemonLord]

Its either " why hasn't America done anything" or " War mongering Americans"

This.

100000000000000 Time, This.

It's why ISIS was allowed to Flourish.

[Katman]

It's why ISIS was allowed to Flourish.

Well that's one theory.

My prediction is that we'll start to see the balkanisation of the outer provinces of China - quite possibly with funds channeled into the area by the CIA.

[Paul in NZ]

What do you think, Chinese Posturing? or something that has the potential to blow up into a major conflict?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-36781138

I think the Americans have the grunt to deal to China, but there would be a huge amount of damage done to that region in doing so.

How exactly would the USA deal with China? They could only nuke the place - they could never (ever) win a ground war??? In a nut shell - if China wants to do this it will... Period...

[ellipsis]

Well that's one theory.

My prediction is that we'll start to see the balkanisation of the outer provinces of China - quite possibly with funds channeled into the area by the CIA.


...some of those provinces are so far removed from anything Chinese...culturally, historically and language that it's not going to take a lot...

[Katman]

...some of those provinces are so far removed from anything Chinese...culturally, historically and language that it's not going to take a lot...

Yep, if you want to bring a country to it's knees, split it into smaller regions and encourage them to start fighting amongst themselves.

[TheDemonLord]

How exactly would the USA deal with China? They could only nuke the place - they could never (ever) win a ground war??? In a nut shell - if China wants to do this it will... Period...

It would be a variant of MAD - neither side wants a nuclear exchange, China probably doesn't want a conventional war and if the US decides to send 1, 2 or multiple Carrier Strike Groups, then it becomes a case of Does someone want to throw the first Punch?

[oldrider]

A list of 10 countries in the world that are not at war? :scratch:

Who would you imagine would be on this list? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/global-peace-index-2016-there-are-now-only-10-countries-in-the-world-that-are-not-at-war-a7069816.html?utm_source=Dr+Sircus+Newsletter&utm_campaign=7e755bc68c-Article_382_7_13_2016&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_ea98c09673-7e755bc68c-9531509#gallery Surprised? :doh: . :thud: . :o

[RGVforme]

It would be a variant of MAD - neither side wants a nuclear exchange, China probably doesn't want a conventional war and if the US decides to send 1, 2 or multiple Carrier Strike Groups, then it becomes a case of Does someone want to throw the first Punch?


Yep no winners in a nuke war no money for a 10 year conventional one.Then they wonder why insurgence and tit for tat terrorism hits on soft targets are the smaller poor sides weapons of choice...The stalemate that has stopped it happening all along.....The fact that the other party can launch their nukes before getting hit by yours then both partys are toast.:(

[ElCoyote]

Someone should be along soon to blame Israel.

S'okay, Allan Clark will get it sorted:bleh:

[Banditbandit]

China has a deep belief that the area belongs to them ... similar to Israel v Palestine. They have a pretty good military although I think only one aircraft carrier which i think they bought from Russia. Many coast based missiles though so they have a long reach.

For an interesting take on how this could turn out I refer you to the Tom Clancy novel 'Threat Vector'.

But they are building quickly

http://defence.pk/threads/confirmed-china-building-new-aircraft-carrier%E2%80%A6-possibly-nuclear-powered.389160/

And how about this one ?

http://beforeitsnews.com/china/2013/02/new-chinese-aircraft-carriers-quantum-leaps-ahead-of-us-we-can-thank-walmart-and-outsourcing-american-labor-for-financing-it-2445430.html

And if America kicks up a stink, China can call in the debt and they China will own the USA.

[Banditbandit]

A list of 10 countries in the world that are not at war? :scratch:

Who would you imagine would be on this list? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/global-peace-index-2016-there-are-now-only-10-countries-in-the-world-that-are-not-at-war-a7069816.html?utm_source=Dr+Sircus+Newsletter&utm_campaign=7e755bc68c-Article_382_7_13_2016&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_ea98c09673-7e755bc68c-9531509#gallery Surprised? :doh: . :thud: . :o

Lessee .. before I look
Switzerland
Denmark
Sweden
Norway
Brazil
Guyana
Venezuela
Ecuador
Peru
Chile
Tibet
Bhutan
Mauritius
Madagascar
Costa Rico
Brunei
Finland ...

That's more than 10 ...

let's look at the list ..

[Banditbandit]

Not bad .. I missed Panama, Botswana, Qatar and Vietnam ..

[TheDemonLord]

Lessee .. before I look
Switzerland
Denmark
Sweden
Norway
Brazil
Guyana
Venezuela
Ecuador
Peru
Chile
Tibet
Bhutan
Mauritius
Madagascar
Costa Rico
Brunei
Finland ...

That's more than 10 ...

let's look at the list ..

Norway has Black metal.

And Black metal ist Krieg

[awa355]

But they are building quickly


And if America kicks up a stink, China can call in the debt and they China will own the USA.

America will simply print some more money. Or re write the rule books.

[Brian d marge]

America will simply print some more money. Or re write the rule books.

Two things

Zbigniew brinisky It all there in his book a "grand chessboard"

and China , ,,,,has a National bank ....ie its money is debt free

and in a collapsing economy , and especially if you need a world paradigm shift. You need a global event.

IMHO , not a matter of "IF" but "when"

BTW

your looking at a 50 km radius blast for a nuke ,,, fk

[TheDemonLord]

BTW

your looking at a 50 km radius blast for a nuke ,,, fk

Not even close! the Tsar Bomba (largest nuke ever detonated - 57 MT) has a Blast radius of 13 Km.

[Voltaire]

For the US to have a war with China they need a Proxy, Vietnam.....no they did that.....Korea?.......maybe....
Taiwan...maybe.
But would not a war with China mean no more stuff?
http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/american-pride-eagle-made-in-china.jpg

http://beijingcream.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/49-LEAD-kim-jong-un-russell-up.jpg

[Brian d marge]

Not even close! the Tsar Bomba (largest nuke ever detonated - 57 MT) has a Blast radius of 13 Km.

this is what I read yesterday

I prefer your number, second link is X22 report and he kinda sums things up ......

https://thesurvivalplaceblog.com/2013/06/30/how-close-can-you-be-to-survive-a-nuclear-bomb-blast/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTzXe3-FCyQ (https://thesurvivalplaceblog.com/2013/06/30/how-close-can-you-be-to-survive-a-nuclear-bomb-blast/)

[oldrider]

For the US to have a war with China they need a Proxy, Vietnam.....no they did that.....Korea?.......maybe....
Taiwan...maybe.
But would not a war with China mean no more stuff?

Well don't overlook North Korea - they have no (Rothschild affiliated) federal reserve bank and have been teased up all ready for quite some years now! :corn:

Borders with both Russia and China and both have been suitably primed as hostile to USA best interests and are also bracketed with Israel's arch enemy Iran! :shifty:

All they need now is Hillary! :wait: - :kick:

[Brian d marge]

For the US to have a war with China they need a Proxy, Vietnam.....no they did that.....Korea?.......maybe....
Taiwan...maybe.
But would not a war with China mean no more stuff?




been saying that for a while , I was looking back , yesterday , through me old notes... evernote!


The global economy is slowing to the point of collapse
The same conditions as in the 1933 stock market crash are in place , stratospheric stock market, zero interest and 99% of the population dumber than horse manure ( they weren't in the 1930s)
When you look at the trends of the us economy, right before a Regime change they tank the economy. The very nature of a capitalist debt based economy is that it is cyclic and NEEDS to be reset..
And if you want a global paradigm shift you need a global event, such as Breton woods and how did Breton woods come to be?
So with a high probability of a reset coming , it doesn't matter what buffoon you have as a mouthpiece. They are not the ones calling the shots. Look for the money. the trilateral commission, Rockefeller .Zbiginew Brzinsky.. Kissinger... these nut-jobs are the real power ..and there are probably people controlling them . I can't prove that point though, they have increased their rhetoric since the Soviet collapse, as this cleared away any opposition.
Either way If American keeps its current foreign policy it will end in war with either Russia or China .. possibly through a third party .

If Britain remains in the EU the Anglo American money will use the EU to step up provocations towards the Russians and or China or the third party ... if Britain leaves the EU then expected the pound to be attacked and devaluation to occur. Either way
This will cause large social unrest ..war is the easiest option as it will most likely be nuclear and the resulting mess is easier to police.
So if it inevitable that large social unrest will happen therefore:
You as a government need ... a small compliant population.. ,either brain-dead or unarmed. Scared shirtless that the boogie man will eat their children for breakfast false flags such as Paris ,Brussels , sandy hook ,,and a controlled media, help no end in the scaring of the sheep.
So that under the pretense of protecting society draconian laws can be introduced. Kiss good bye to any freedoms you have now. Internet, the right to free speech , healthy food privacy , these are all being discussed and removed right now ..not if ..but actually happening
The technique of how this happens is well thought out . Trilateral commission and globalists have a plan , outlined above. They set out an agreement using a event that effects us all , such as global warming , environmental concerns . Using such an agreement ,agenda 21 or agenda 2o30 as it is called now. Policies are put in place at the local level using people who think they are helping humanity, when actually they the people are assisting in the creation of this hunger games society , such as , steering committees ICLEI ( Rockefeller owned and operated ...and Auckland New Zealand "5 point plan" is really just ICLEI's plan in different colours.

So while the word conspiracy may evoke all sorts of ideas , there is provably a global plan for the few to relive the golden age, based of the sufferings of us , the great unwashed ....

Finally , if you the person reading this thinks I'm wrong , now is your chance to offer evidence either for or against and to ask me for my evidence. Wake up people , she's all on .......



and


I havent settled on how, its is only a matter of when things get interesting and people start to dust off the pitchforks

a deflationary cycle , or an inflationary one

At the moment there is a lot of money churning between the government and private banks increasing at the very minimum of the 10 year bond rate.

Due to the removal of the glass steagal act , banks may also speculate leading to an over inflated stock market and bubbles in assets , housing etc .

If, due to the dedollarisation and/or a combination of the above, people start to feel alienated , unempowered or just pissed off, one small unconnected event may be all it takes. London , bedroom tax march , or NHS and London goes south!

The collapsing reserve currency, In Europe , a grexit will happen followed by Spain or Italy and that will lead to possibly a total European economic collapse/ readjustment . Greece was 300 billion , spain owes over a trillion

[TheDemonLord]

Finally , if you the person reading this thinks I'm wrong , now is your chance to offer evidence either for or against and to ask me for my evidence. Wake up people , she's all on .......

I do think you are wrong - probably the best argument is your own statement:


I can't prove that point though,

Now, I'm not saying that the scenario painted is impossible - but as you say - you can't prove it, the problem here is that we have heard these doom and gloom predictions before, they couldn't prove it either and despite all the incidents that people point to as 'proof' that there is an GUCT (Grand Unified Conspiracy Theory) - it hasn't resulted in the civilization ending apocalypse that the proponents claimed it would.

[Grumph]

Well fuck, Brian, you've got me worried now - do i finish the engines and bikes i have here or do i concentrate on the bomb shelter ?

What's the effect likely to be on my pacemaker at roughly 70km radius ? Assuming ChCh is important enough to attract a nuke....

[Voltaire]

Well fuck, Brian, you've got me worried now - do i finish the engines and bikes i have here or do i concentrate on the bomb shelter ?

What's the effect likely to be on my pacemaker at roughly 70km radius ? Assuming ChCh is important enough to attract a nuke....

I remember watching " The Day After' at the Lido in 1983 smuggly knowing my car had points ignition and I'd be ok.:rolleyes: might rig up the

old P and T manual phones from the shed to the house too.

[Brian d marge]

I do think you are wrong - probably the best argument is your own statement:



Now, I'm not saying that the scenario painted is impossible - but as you say - you can't prove it, the problem here is that we have heard these doom and gloom predictions before, they couldn't prove it either and despite all the incidents that people point to as 'proof' that there is an GUCT (Grand Unified Conspiracy Theory) - it hasn't resulted in the civilization ending apocalypse that the proponents claimed it would.
All ya got to do is put up the evidence I'm wrong

Simple

Also the money churn between banks and government ,high ten yr I can't remember what I meant and I got that wrong , strong dollar policy pushing 10 year yields down maybe
But I wrote that a year ago 15/6/15
And I seems to be on track so far ...

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[Brian d marge]

Well fuck, Brian, you've got me worried now - do i finish the engines and bikes i have here or do i concentrate on the bomb shelter ?

What's the effect likely to be on my pacemaker at roughly 70km radius ? Assuming ChCh is important enough to attract a nuke....
How quickly can ya do the bikes ... they usually tank the economy just before an election

Or u could relocate to wiamate ..

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[Grumph]

How quickly can ya do the bikes ... they usually tank the economy just before an election

Or u could relocate to wiamate ..

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They're mainly race bikes so probably useless post apocalypse....
Have you been talking to my wife ? She wants to go to Oamaru...I don't.
It would probably be quite safe there though, hmmm.

Found your divine source yet ?

[Voltaire]

They're mainly race bikes so probably useless post apocalypse....
Have you been talking to my wife ? She wants to go to Oamaru...I don't.
It would probably be quite safe there though, hmmm.

Found your divine source yet ?

http://www.divinemarinade.com/files/cache/137f7544d15ffe65c966fa3a412d86ee_f8.png

nice sushi dipping sauce.

[TheDemonLord]

All ya got to do is put up the evidence I'm wrong

Simple

Except you have never provided evidence that you are right - you even concede this yourself that you can't prove these points. All you have is conjecture.

[Voltaire]

Except you have never provided evidence that you are right - you even concede this yourself that you can't prove these points. All you have is conjecture.

...and so it begins.

If the US did go to war with China, the first thing I would notice at work for is none of the computer systems would work as they are all based in China on that sticky out bit in the South China Sea.
Maybe they should rename it the North Philippines Sea of the East Vietnamese Sea.... as the name suggests ownership :lol:

[Brian d marge]

Except you have never provided evidence that you are right - you even concede this yourself that you can't prove these points. All you have is conjecture.
If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck ..it's a fair chance it's a duck

And Zbiginews book is all to real

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[Brian d marge]

They're mainly race bikes so probably useless post apocalypse....
Have you been talking to my wife ? She wants to go to Oamaru...I don't.
It would probably be quite safe there though, hmmm.

Found your divine source yet ?
Oamaru in a mad Max kinda post apocalyptic madness

Ummmmm does anything happen in Oamaru??

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[Virago]

Oamaru in a mad Max kinda post apocalyptic madness

Ummmmm does anything happen in Oamaru??

Maybe once a week a penguin crosses the road. Other than that it's just the country's longest pit-lane penalty drive-through.

[Ocean1]

been saying that for a while

Is it still as prophetically accurate as your 2014 stock market crash?

[Brian d marge]

Is it still as prophetically accurate as your 2014 stock market crash?
None are so blind as the fool

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[Daffyd]

China has backed its expansive claims with island-building and naval patrols. The US says it does not take sides in territorial disputes, but has sent military ships and planes near disputed islands, calling them "freedom of navigation" operations to ensure access to key shipping and air routes.

So what has it got to do with America? - Why don't they just MTOB for a change? - Leave it to the dis-United Nations to sort out! :facepalm:

America and the Philippines signed a treaty where they would provide some protection.

The UN is about as useful as tits on a bull. China told them to get stuffed!

[Daffyd]

China will simply copy the USA and refuse to acknowledge any international ruling that doesn't agree with them.

They already have.

[husaberg]

America and the Philippines signed a treaty where they would provide some protection.

The UN is about as useful as tits on a bull. China told them to get stuffed!


They already have.

The United Nations Security Council "power of veto" refers to the veto power wielded solely by the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council (China, France, Russia, United Kingdom, and United States), enabling them to prevent the adoption of any "substantive" resolution, as well as decide which issues fall under "substantive" title.

Because of the use or threat of the veto, the Security Council could at best have a limited role in certain wars and interventions in which its Permanent Members were involved – for example in Algeria (1954–62); Suez (1956), Hungary (1956), Vietnam (1946–75), the Sino-Vietnamese war (1979), Afghanistan (1979–88), Panama (1989), Iraq (2003), and Georgia (2008)[

[Daffyd]

...and so it begins.


Maybe they should rename it the North Philippines Sea of the East Vietnamese Sea.... as the name suggests ownership :lol:

It didn't help with the West Philippine Sea.

[Daffyd]

The United Nations Security Council "power of veto" refers to the veto power wielded solely by the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council (China, France, Russia, United Kingdom, and United States), enabling them to prevent the adoption of any "substantive" resolution, as well as decide which issues fall under "substantive" title.

Because of the use or threat of the veto, the Security Council could at best have a limited role in certain wars and interventions in which its Permanent Members were involved – for example in Algeria (1954–62); Suez (1956), Hungary (1956), Vietnam (1946–75), the Sino-Vietnamese war (1979), Afghanistan (1979–88), Panama (1989), Iraq (2003), and Georgia (2008)[

Part of the problem of course is that China is not a member of the UN.

[Daffyd]

This has been going on now since before I moved here over four years ago, but has escalated in the last year.

It's getting to the stage now that the Chinese warships are chasing Filipino fishermen from their traditional fishing grounds. The Spratleys have always been claimed by the Philippines and are in the West Philippine sea, NOT the South China sea, as claimed by China. They are a lot closer to the Philippines than they are to China.

I see this as invasion by stealth.

[Brian d marge]

Part of the problem of course is that China is not a member of the UN.
Because uncle Rocky and big daddy Warburg are pissed with China's bank

And Japan owns the oil under the spratleys...china can have the land
Haha

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[husaberg]

Part of the problem of course is that China is not a member of the UN.

look again........


The United Nations Security Council "power of veto" refers to the veto power wielded solely by the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council (China, France, Russia, United Kingdom, and United States), enabling them to prevent the adoption of any "substantive" resolution, as well as decide which issues fall under "substantive" title.

Because of the use or threat of the veto, the Security Council could at best have a limited role in certain wars and interventions in which its Permanent Members were involved – for example in Algeria (1954–62); Suez (1956), Hungary (1956), Vietnam (1946–75), the Sino-Vietnamese war (1979), Afghanistan (1979–88), Panama (1989), Iraq (2003), and Georgia (2008)[

[Ocean1]

None are so blind as the fool

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You should probably stop telling everyone about your "vision" then, it's shit.

[Brian d marge]

You should probably stop telling everyone about your "vision" then, it's shit.
One would value an intelligent critic but one somehow doubts it will be from you
If you do, at least make sure u have some idea of what you are talking about ,
It helps

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[Voltaire]

One would value an intelligent critic but one somehow doubts it will be from you
If you do, at least make sure u have some idea of what you are talking about ,
It helps

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I wonder if Japan worries about " payback' for what it did to China in the 30's and 40's?

http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/nanking.htm

[Brian d marge]

I wonder if Japan worries about " payback' for what it did to China in the 30's and 40's?

http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/nanking.htm

in 1992 the crown prince Akihito went over and had a talk with china

a. very rare as in first time that has happened
B the Emperor nor the family do not get involved in politics ( think queen )


me thinks the bloodlines had a chat !

they know whats happening and its usually at our expense ....

[Daffyd]

look again........

Sorry, my bad.

[husaberg]

Sorry, my bad.

I was rather surprised they were on it myself, I also thought the UK would have been on it as well. That said, I doubt China takes much interest on the humanitarian side of the UN though.


I wonder if Japan worries about " payback' for what it did to China in the 30's and 40's?

http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/nanking.htm

Relations between them are still rather frosty still on account of it. Japan didn't even formally apologise until 1972 and even then, it was a pretty weak one at best

[Ocean1]

One would value an intelligent critic but one somehow doubts it will be from you
If you do, at least make sure u have some idea of what you are talking about ,
It helps

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Well I'm not the one who's been running around in circles crying about the sky falling every second tuesday since Bretton Woods.

I'm the one who's been pointing at you and laughing for almost as long.

So let's let the facts demonstrate who knows what, eh, I know it's not your usual méthode, but given that it hasn't worked, ever you might want to consider changing your vision du monde.



Or not. I'll just be over here, quietly sniggering.

[Swoop]

It's getting to the stage now that the Chinese warships are chasing Filipino fishermen from their traditional fishing grounds.

I see this as invasion by stealth.

china don't send warships to do their dirty work. They use their "coast guard" vessels (which are occasionally warships that have reached the end of their useful life and then repainted white/red) to intimidate and ram other vessels.
Also, commercial vessels are expected to do "AS ORDERED" by the military, which involves ramming and sinking - even at the cost of their own vessel. Compensation will obviously be paid to them for doing so.

All of the south china sea, the Mallacan straights AND the Indian Ocean are claimed by china. A great country which has never had blue-water aspirations or abilities previously.


The "death by a thousand cuts" approach is the preferred method of chinese criminal activity here.

I've been telling you lot this for the past five years though, so you should be appreciating the situation...

[Ocean1]

china don't send warships to do their dirty work. They use their "coast guard" vessels (which are occasionally warships that have reached the end of their useful life and then repainted white/red) to intimidate and ram other vessels.
Also, commercial vessels are expected to do "AS ORDERED" by the military, which involves ramming and sinking - even at the cost of their own vessel. Compensation will obviously be paid to them for doing so.

All of the south china sea, the Mallacan straights AND the Indian Ocean are claimed by china. A great country which has never had blue-water aspirations or abilities previously.


The "death by a thousand cuts" approach is the preferred method of chinese criminal activity here.

I've been telling you lot this for the past five years though, so you should be appreciating the situation...

Well they did wallow around a lot of the area in those fucking huge junks, somewhat before Her Majesty's finest ventured into it. The size being a necessary feature for the particular style of trading prevalent in the east, then. Piracy basically. Anything smaller was fair game.

A lot of it is very thin, which caused a lot of the western fleet quite some difficulty. Unlike the locals, which drew a mere couple of feet.

[awa355]

If things did go belly up, it would hit our oil imports pretty damn quickly. Doesn't most of NZ's oil come via Singapore?

[Brian d marge]

The "death by a thousand cuts" approach is the preferred method of chinese criminal activity here.

I've been telling you lot this for the past five years though, so you should be appreciating the situation...
Look into the algorithm from David X Li ..
And indeed the name Li .. follow young David into banks in Canada ...

Boats , Pirates, old school...

The Chinese have been extremely clever in Africa and their long term strategy..

Checkmate Zbiginew IMHO


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[husaberg]

Ruling against China

http://www.msn.com/en-nz/money/markets/breathtaking-ruling-against-china-will-have-lasting-impact-everywhere/ar-BBugoDG

China suffered a major defeat Tuesday morning as an international court rebuked its claims on distant waters that contain the world's busiest shipping lanes and declared some of its expansionary tactics illegal.
A tribunal at the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague, Netherlands, issued the ruling in a dispute between China and the Philippines, and the decision — and the responses of both those countries and others — could mark one of the most significant geopolitical events in years, according to experts

China threatens NZ exports
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/china-threatens-tariffs-over-steel-probe/ar-BBupfh4?li=AA59FU&ocid=spartanntp
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/china-threatens-tariffs-new-zealand-dairy-wool-kiwifruit-imports-over-steel-probe
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/305313/bypass-bridge-steel-found-to-fail-tests
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/80609391/450-million-Huntly-bypass-bridge-steel-fails-test

China is threatening to slap tariffs on New Zealand dairy, wool and kiwifruit imports if this country investigates allegations of steel dumping, according to a report.

The warning shot from our major export market comes as dairy farmers struggle with low prices and follows substandard Chinese steel forcing a redesign of bridge piles on the Huntly section of Waikato Expressway.

[Brian d marge]

One thing about China...ya get what ya pay for...

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[Big Dog]

Not always true Brian. A fair number of eBay / aliexpress purchases from China never show up.

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[Swoop]

The Chinese have been extremely clever in Africa and their long term strategy..

Yeah. Build a port.
Build some railroads.

Fuck over the locals and also claim rights to the Indian Ocean since they are now sending some commercial traffic through it.

[Voltaire]

Not always true Brian. A fair number of eBay / aliexpress purchases from China never show up.

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I've had a couple of those. Its probably outside the 30 days when you notice.

Watched this one, quite interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8m2o_z9caU

Poor blokes living on some old WW2 wreck to keep it Philippines property.

[Brian d marge]

Ruling against China

http://www.msn.com/en-nz/money/markets/breathtaking-ruling-against-china-will-have-lasting-impact-everywhere/ar-BBugoDG


China threatens NZ exports
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/china-threatens-tariffs-over-steel-probe/ar-BBupfh4?li=AA59FU&ocid=spartanntp
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/china-threatens-tariffs-new-zealand-dairy-wool-kiwifruit-imports-over-steel-probe
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/305313/bypass-bridge-steel-found-to-fail-tests
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/80609391/450-million-Huntly-bypass-bridge-steel-fails-test

Dont worry TPPA will fix that !

[oldrider]

China plays the old American game of might is right and America calls foul - yeah right - Hey USA China is a big boy now fuck off and play in your own back yard! :blip:

[Daffyd]

China plays the old American game of might is right and America calls foul - yeah right - Hey USA China is a big boy now fuck off and play in your own back yard! :blip:

I'm sort of hoping they'll stick around... I'm too old to learn Mandarin.

[Brian d marge]

America did the same thing with the Contras if I remember correctly... China's just doing same thing

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[awa355]

Political bullshit at its' finest.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/82318827/US-Vice-President-Joe-Biden-pays-special-tribute-to-US-Army-Captain-Matthew-Ferrara

[willytheekid]

China has already moved its Pawns into place, chosen its strategic locations carefully and prepared for the next step...


http://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/1166121_700b.jpg

...and we are all now standing at the very heart of the battlefield...the south pacific!:wacko:

[mada]

As a member of "echelon" we are the weakest link :laugh:

Most parts of NZ govt. have been infiltrated long time ago by Chinese (including KB) :shifty:

[Grumph]

As a member of "echelon" we are the weakest link :laugh:

Most parts of NZ govt. have been infiltrated long time ago by Chinese (including KB) :shifty:

Where's the 3 - pin emoticon when you need it....

[mada]

Where's the 3 - pin emoticon when you need it....

Use this one comrade...

https://fmacskasy.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/john-key-400x200.jpg?w=595

Let me clarify by "govt." I don't actually mean John Key and his band of merry sales men et al.

I mean government departments..... for example:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10815497

[Brian d marge]

China has already moved its Pawns into place, chosen its strategic locations carefully and prepared for the next step...


...and we are all now standing at the very heart of the battlefield...the south pacific!:wacko:
No don't think so , IMHO
It still looks like Ukraine that area.. Russia has been ring fenced . Both in china and in Poland etc
Putin , has clearly told the west who is doing what, I mean he said to the western press the other day " what do I have to do ,to get it through to you , the world is in danger of sleep walking into ww3..."
Now the German and Italian banks are broke ... in the case if ze jermans ,too much exposure to derivatives 70 trillion I believe ..and the Italians have had bail ins I believe,, zem jermans want that Italian gold hahahaa
So which is first the banks melt then a distraction or will the distraction reset the banks.
Either way, the people running the joint are bat shyt crazy.. I mean total helter skelter looks
Prince Phillip " I want to return as a virus" .. Kissinger, article 200 ,,and big zbiggie styles ( Zbiginew Brzinsky) almost pathological hatred of the Chinese and Russians ( read his books)
Though the Philippines are getting a bit pissy ..
One thing is for sure , I might put of my European vacation for a while
Oamaru, or Haast or maybe a room in the blackball Hilton might be the thing





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[Grumph]

The flat side of the hill is safer Brian - anywhere on the west you risk running into Husa....and having to withstand torture re HRC activity...

And of course having to justify the RE addiction which is indefensible.

[husaberg]

The flat side of the hill is safer Brian - anywhere on the west you risk running into Husa....and having to withstand torture re HRC activity...

And of course having to justify the RE addiction which is indefensible.

Shucks, I remember when you used to give me lip about me living on a fault line:wait:
I am still waiting for Demargerine to get some decent pics of the YZR blueprints out of the museum.

[eldog]

Must have taken them 5 minutes to build all that stuff aye.

Pity they didn't build a motorcycle track too.

Or a bridge from the mainland:wacko:

[Grumph]

Must have taken them 5 minutes to build all that stuff aye.

Pity they didn't build a motorcycle track too.

Or a bridge from the mainland:wacko:

The IOM has never needed a bridge from the mainland....If they held a "South China TT" on one of the islands they could claim international recognition....

[eldog]

South China TT now there's an idea. Held on the runway?:first:

[Brian d marge]

Shucks, I remember when you used to give me lip about me living on a fault line:wait:
I am still waiting for Demargerine to get some decent pics of the YZR blueprints out of the museum.
Havent been down there or seen me mate ...sorry hasn't slipped my mind either [emoji17]

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[husaberg]

Havent been down there or seen me mate ...sorry hasn't slipped my mind either [emoji17]

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Thats okay buy another Enfield as penance.......
Or do a detailed study of the endfield big end oiling system, its always intrigued how Enfield plain big end survives at what I assume to be piss poor pressure more suited to a roller set up.

[Voltaire]

Thats okay buy another Enfield as penance.......
Or do a detailed study of the endfield big end oiling system, its always intrigued how Enfield plain big end survives at what I assume to be piss poor pressure more suited to a roller set up.

BMW's used to have a spoon arrangement for the big ends, as RE's only have about 25 HP misting probably works.

[Brian d marge]

Thats okay buy another Enfield as penance.......
Or do a detailed study of the endfield big end oiling system, its always intrigued how Enfield plain big end survives at what I assume to be piss poor pressure more suited to a roller set up.

now that I have done . and she a nice motor !