Fuel economy stats

[R650R]

Soon we will be at the tipping point of being forced to go electric. No doubt one of the final hammers will be massive taxes for 'less fuel efficient' vehicles be it cars or bikes.
Now while wasting time trawling trademe I noticed my cage only has a 2 and a half star fuel rating from the govts energywise site thingy.
A couple of things about this annoy me, one it affects my potential resale value to potential buyers and also the first scenario mentioned in future.

Anyway the govt says my 3.5L 200kw V6 only gets an AVERAGE of 7.69km/L But my own receipts from about a years worth of driving show my average to be 9.36km/L with worst and best range from 8.16 to 10.24
Anyone else checked theirs out?
One thing I've noticed alternating between two very different bikes on a same set long distance journey is the pace seems more relevant to fuel economy with a 650 single be able to drink as much as a 750 four at times, well close to anyway :)

[Motu]

My car is too old, this makes it too hard for me. Try again.

[Cloggy]

One thing I've noticed alternating between two very different bikes on a same set long distance journey is the pace seems more relevant to fuel economy with a 650 single be able to drink as much as a 750 four at times, well close to anyway :)

All other things being equal, it takes a certain amount of power to push a vehicle like a motorcycle along the road at a certain speed. To make that power a certain amount of fuel needs to be burned. It doesn't matter if you burn that amount of fuel in a single cylinder 650 or a four cylinder 750.
Of course, in the real world it isn't quite that simple and there are a lot of variables hence I say all other things being equal.

[Akzle]

buy a magna bro

[Mike.Gayner]

The star system is designed to make cars comparable across a standard set of driving conditions. What your absolute fuel usage is is meaningless - what people care about it how it compares, objectively, given the same driving conditions, to other cars.

Is the system perfect? No. Is it a million times better than the information previously (easily) available? Hell yes.

When I bought my most recent car I paid a lot of attention to this star system, because I'm now driving 200km a day. Anyone who doesn't think it affects resale is kidding themselves - this is becoming more and more important to people.

Personally I'm very thankful to have a standardised system in place that allows you to easily compare cars reasonably accurately.

Anyone who wants to do a comparison can do it here:
https://www.energywise.govt.nz/tools/fuel-economy/

[Motu]

I just tried again, and it doesn't work for my car. So, how can this be meaningful. Try harder, again.

[Voltaire]

I just tried again, and it doesn't work for my car. So, how can this be meaningful. Try harder, again.

anything better than 30 MPG in a car is pretty good, 50 MPG for a motorcycle.
I bet you do the conversion from litres to gallons then Km's to MPG.:laugh:

[bmwilly]

anything better than 30 MPG in a car is pretty good, 50 MPG for a motorcycle.
I bet you do the conversion from litres to gallons then Km's to MPG.:laugh:

That's what I do

[Motu]

I bet you do the conversion from litres to gallons then Km's to MPG.:laugh:

Were you watching ? !!! You must've been lip reading while I was sitting at the lights. My car is new enough to have a trip computer and tells me figures that mean nothing to an old fart.

[Voltaire]

Were you watching ? !!! You must've been lip reading while I was sitting at the lights. My car is new enough to have a trip computer and tells me figures that mean nothing to an old fart.

My wifes car has a readout that tell you some litres per KM thing that keeps changing when you speed up and slow down. About as useful to me as a GPS for finding Pokemon.
Seen Polywhirl around???

I thought you would still be working in feed bags/hay per day?:lol:

[Motu]

I'm going to put 0W-20 in my Airhead to improve the fuel economy - that's what the Yanks do. 0.02% improvement, it's worth doing to save the planet.

[Woodman]

I'm going to put 0W-20 in my Airhead to improve the fuel economy - that's what the Yanks do. 0.02% improvement, it's worth doing to save the planet.


Maybe the 40W-70 in my airhead is why it uses so much fuel. Mind you I also have 80w140 in the gearbox and diff, so if I change to thinner oils all round it might get 13km/litre.:banana:

[Motu]

Because my butt dyno has shorted out, when I was commuting I didn't notice any power differences, but really noticed the change in fuel economy with my constant playing around with the bike. Extremes of running the tank dry at 365km, to filling up at 380km with 3 litres left in the tank.

[Voltaire]

Maybe the 40W-70 in my airhead is why it uses so much fuel. Mind you I also have 80w140 in the gearbox and diff, so if I change to thinner oils all round it might get 13km/litre.:banana:

Its not a diff:facepalm:

Cars have diffs.:innocent:

[bogan]

38 Giggles to the gallon :woohoo:


Its not a diff:facepalm:

Cars have diffs.:innocent:

The really fast ones don't.

<img src="http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff310/comp1839/1-8%20nostalgia%20top%20fuel%202/005.jpg" />

Ergo, bikes are faster than cars.

[Akzle]

38 Giggles to the gallon :woohoo:



The really fast ones don't.

<img src="http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff310/comp1839/1-8%20nostalgia%20top%20fuel%202/005.jpg" />

Ergo, bikes are faster than cars.

are you fucking retarded? say they dont have diffs. and posts picture of a diff...

[caspernz]

are you fucking retarded? say they dont have diffs. and posts picture of a diff...

My money is on that being pinion and ring gear only :baby::devil2:

[Voltaire]

My money is on that being pinion and ring gear only :baby::devil2:


ahhh...probably not going around any bends:no:, anyway its not really a car.

[R650R]

two minutes after I started this thread I saw another card ad for same car and it was 4 stars lol, seems dealers can post up what they want.....

[husaberg]

My money is on that being pinion and ring gear only :baby::devil2:

My moneys on akxle still not getting what the word "diff" is short for.
It seems that as well as knowing nothing about bikes, He additionally knows f-all about cars as well..:laugh:

[Voltaire]

My moneys on akxle still not getting what the word "diff" is short for.
It seems that as well as knowing nothing about bikes, He additionally knows f-all about cars as well..:laugh:


Diffinately Maybe...great album, ciggies and alcohol :woohoo:

[husaberg]

Diffinately Maybe...great album, ciggies and alcohol :woohoo:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew48mMNGQN4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf4SyWq692s

[Akzle]

My money is on that being pinion and ring gear only :baby::devil2:

making it a 'locked diff' rather than a 'slip diff'. innit.

[Laava]

My moneys on akxle still not getting what the word "diff" is short for.
It seems that as well as knowing nothing about bikes, He additionally knows f-all about cars as well..:laugh:

Haha, you were right!

[husaberg]

Haha, you were right!

Maybe he will some day realise that for a diff to be locked it has to be a diff in the first place. Plus has a reason to be a Diff at all. I doubt he will be able to work out the difference and just go around and around in ever decreasing circles. Maybe if he knew anything about cars he would measure the circles and the different distances travelled.

[jonbuoy]

38 Giggles to the gallon :woohoo:



The really fast ones don't.



Ergo, bikes are faster than cars.

Is that a Conley Stinger?

[Voltaire]

Maybe he will some day realise that for a diff to be locked it has to be a diff in the first place. Plus has a reason to be a Diff at all. I doubt he will be able to work out the difference and just go around and around in ever decreasing circles. Maybe if he knew anything about cars he would measure the circles and the different distances travelled.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIGvhvOhLHU

Americans make it easy.

[husaberg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIGvhvOhLHU

Americans make it easy.

Is that like A 1990 Mitzi magna has? they do shit skids and stuff...

[Voltaire]

Is that like A 1990 Mitzi magna has? they do shit skids and stuff...

Would it need one? probably spends most of its time on Axle Stands.:lol:

[Laava]

Maybe he will some day realise that for a diff to be locked it has to be a diff in the first place. Plus has a reason to be a Diff at all. I doubt he will be able to work out the difference and just go around and around in ever decreasing circles. Maybe if he knew anything about cars he would measure the circles and the different distances travelled.

You would think of all people, he would know about the Akerman principle?

[jasonu]

anything better than 30 MPG in a car is pretty good, 50 MPG for a motorcycle.
I bet you do the conversion from litres to gallons then Km's to MPG.:laugh:

3.7l or 4.5l gallon?

[Maha]

My moneys on akxle still not getting what the word "diff" is short for.
It seems that as well as knowing nothing about bikes, He additionally knows f-all about cars as well..:laugh:

He should pm the mods and get his name changed to Diff Whine.

[SVboy]

Never in the history of mankind has a discussion on differentials so effectively been twisted to put down KB's resident tosser! Could only happen on KB! My collective congratulations Gentlemen!

[Katman]

You would think of all people, he would know about the Akerman principle?

Except the Ackermann principle has nothing to do with differentials.

But don't let that fact get in the way of your KB human centipede (http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/thehumancentipede/images/9/97/Surgery_diagram.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160518003645) session.

[husaberg]

You would think of all people, he would know about the Akerman principle?

I think it different, I am sure old axel. does not believe in such clearly jew physics principles,or indeed has any principles at all, on principle. Other than trolling.


Would it need one? probably spends most of its time on Axle Stands.:lol:
Not odd it would spend time in the shed, As he's clearly not the sharpest tool in the shed anyway.


He should pm the mods and get his name changed to Diff Whine.
He likely already has.... but lets let him enjoy the attention.


Never in the history of mankind has a discussion on differentials so effectively been twisted to put down KB's resident tosser! Could only happen on KB! My collective congratulations Gentlemen!
Hes likely just spinning his wheels, but rest assured, before he clutches at some more straw, that goat will be locked up....

[Laava]

Except the Ackermann principle has nothing to do with differentials.

But don't let that fact get in the way of your KB human centipede (http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/thehumancentipede/images/9/97/Surgery_diagram.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160518003645) session.
Why don,t you have a big cry about it fagnasty?
The akerman principle has everything to do with why you need a diff. But you go ahead and be an obtuse little fuckwit.

[Katman]

The akerman principle has everything to do with why you need a diff. But you go ahead and be an obtuse little fuckwit.

One gives the ability for two wheels on the same axle to rotate at different speeds while the other allows the steering wheels to follow arcs of different radii.

They are two totally different things.

[husaberg]

One gives the ability for two wheels on the same axle to rotate at different speeds while the other allows wheels to follow arcs of different radii.

They are two totally different things.

Are the wheels on opposite sides of a car traversing a corner rotating at different speeds, or following different arcs travelling different distances, or are they actually doing both, on account of each reason you utter cretin:weird:
Maybe like ol not so sharp axel, you should stick to non technical forums.

[Katman]

Are the wheels on opposite sides of a car traversing a corner rotating at different speeds or following different arcs or are they actually doing both you on account of each reason you cretin


Speak English you stupid fuck.

[husaberg]

Speak English you stupid fuck.

Maybe you should first explain to us first how the inside and outside wheels are able to cover different distances while attached to a car while not traveling at different speeds.
Maybe you should enlist the help of your conspiracy physics expert Yokel for that one.:laugh:

[Laava]

One gives the ability for two wheels on the same axle to rotate at different speeds while the other allows the steering wheels to follow arcs of different radii.

They are two totally different things.

Yep, I called it, obtuse little fuckwit.
Maybe you should find a game you are good at you whiny little bitch.

[Katman]

Maybe you should first explain to us first how the inside and outside wheels are able to cover different distances while attached to a car while not traveling at different speeds.


Well on a locked diff they do so by scuffing one wheel.

[husaberg]

Well on a locked diff they do so by scuffing one wheel.

There by they are obviously traveling both different distances and or different speeds, So try again dullard....
Is your physics expert sage yokel unavailable?

[Katman]

Maybe you should find a game you are good at you whiny little bitch.

Maybe you should stick to hitting nails with a hammer.

[Katman]

There by they are obviously traveling both different distances and different speeds, So try again dullard....
Is your physics expert sage yokel unavailable?

Check out your previous post.


.....while not traveling at different speeds.


You even underlined the word not.

You stupid fuck.

[husaberg]

Check out your previous post.

You even underlined the word not.

You stupid fuck.

Its pretty clear who is a bit retarded here Steveo.
You should just stick to conspiracy theories, they don't require any grounding in real world physics.
if your read my post it is pretty clear about both different distance requiring different speeds and vica versa, Yet you still have different distances and speeds in your example, in case you missed it.
You also got so wound up you actually forget to change my username:nya:

[Katman]

if your read my post it is pretty clear about both diffrent distance requiring different speeds and vica versa, Yet you still have different distances and speeds in your example, in case you missed it.


But that's not the post I was replying to when I mentioned the locked diff, was it?

You stupid fuck.

[bogan]

KM's got you beat here husa. Ackerman thingo is just steering angle, diffs is different :whistle: Bit hard to go around a corner not using both, but they address entirely different technical aspects.

[Madness]

...you should stick to non technical forums.

Umm, this is in Rant & Rave. Maybe you should stick to the ESE thread and bombing young girls with creepy puns?

[Katman]

Umm, this is in Rant & Rave. Maybe you should stick to the ESE thread and bombing young girls with creepy puns?

He'd petter file that away on the list of things to do later.

[bogan]

are you fucking retarded? say they dont have diffs. and posts picture of a diff...

Since I'm late to rejoin the party. That's not a diff, and the entire reason I chose to post that, was to see who might bite!


Is that a Conley Stinger?

No idea, top fuel of some sort I think.

[husaberg]

KM's got you beat here husa. Ackerman thingo is just steering angle, diffs is different :whistle: Bit hard to go around a corner not using both, but they address entirely different technical aspects.

go back and actually read what he posted and what I refered to bogan.
but yes diffs are different, but physics is physics.
you will also notices I never referenced ackerman it was laavas play on words I just corrected katmans shoddy explanation

One gives the ability for two wheels on the same axle to rotate at different speeds while the other allows the wheels to follow arcs of different radii.

They are two totally different things.


Are the wheels on opposite sides of a car traversing a corner rotating at different speeds, or following different arcs travelling different distances, or are they actually doing both, on account of each reason you utter cretin:weird:
Maybe like ol not so sharp axel, you should stick to non technical forums.

I think will find what you posted looks to me like a model of a rail.
But yes whoops its not a technical forum...

[Katman]

I also thing you posted I think will find what you posted looks to me like a model of a rail.


What the fuck is up with your retarded English?

[bogan]

go back and actually read what he posted and what I refered to bogan.
but yes diffs are different, but physics is physics.
you will also notices I never referenced ackerman it was laavas play on words I just corrected katmans shoddy explanation




I also thing you posted I think will find what you posted looks to me like a model of a rail.
But yes whoops its not a technical forum...

I could't give a fuck about going back to read your cop outs or vagaries.

[Jin]

Never in the history of mankind has a discussion on differentials so effectively been twisted to put down KB's resident tosser! Could only happen on KB! My collective congratulations Gentlemen!
Heres hoping the dopey bastard will fuck off and leave

[jonbuoy]

Since I'm late to rejoin the party. That's not a diff, and the entire reason I chose to post that, was to see who might bite!



No idea, top fuel of some sort I think.

I think it's actually a scale model of a top fuel racer.

http://www.gizmag.com/worlds-smallest-supercharged-four-stroke-v8-production-engine/24372/

[husaberg]

I could't give a fuck about going back to read your cop outs or vagaries.

Well, that's highly logical.
Especially since you agree with every point I raised unless you thought it came from me.

I guess that it answers the question of what it tastes like.
So katman did it taste like you thought and hoped?

[jonbuoy]

I thought something was off with the scale. I figured it was part of the joke.

http://quartermilers.proboards.com/thread/3296/nostalgia-top-fuel-car

[Voltaire]

Heres hoping the dopey bastard will fuck off and leave

First they came for the Harley riders, and I said nothing as I did not own a loud heavy piece of iron,

Then they came for the sprots bike riders but I said nothing as I did not own a sprots bike,

Then they came for the Mitsubishi Magna owners and I said , no way as he needs that for work.

[Akzle]

jesus fucking fuck.

windemup and watch em go!



http://www.likeclockwork.biz/Files/84356/Img/11/FlippingMonkey_Z.gif

dif′feren′tial gear′
n.
an epicyclic train of gears designed to permit two or more shafts
to rotate at different speeds.


science, bitches.

eat dick, old niggers.
ax:1
ax' fan club:0
but please children, carry on, you amuse me so.

[Akzle]

,

Then they came for the Mitsubishi Magna owners and I said , no way as he needs that for work.

:killingme...work :laugh:

[bogan]

jesus fucking fuck.

windemup and watch em go!

dif′feren′tial gear′
n.
an epicyclic train of gears designed to permit two or more shafts
to rotate at different speeds.


science, bitches.

eat dick, old niggers.
ax:1
ax' fan club:0
but please children, carry on, you amuse me so.

You should have gone with, was 'just trolling au', equally piss weak as an excuse, but stands up slightly better to a very cursory look.

So to update the scores...
ax: welded the ring gear to the housing (that how diffs work right? :laugh:), and going nowhere
ax' fan club: open diffing one wheelers e'rywhere
bogan: torsen goodness sidewaysing all the things, but with good fuel economy (friction plate LSDs being bad for fuel economy).

[trufflebutter]

I thought school started back last week?

[bogan]

I thought school started back last week?

It did, haven't you noticed some posters are conspicuous in their absence from 8-9:30 and again from 2:30 to 4 :whistle:

[Voltaire]

:killingme...work :laugh:

Cager :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Jin]

He rides a car? Good for him. Its a step up from a goat.

[jasonu]

Its a step up from a goat.

depends on the car...

[Voltaire]

depends on the car...

early 90s Mitsubishi Mangina station wagon sleeps 5 :lol:

[oldrider]

If you are looking for economy and fitness develop this into a petro/electric motorcycle! - kinda double Dutch if you will! :shifty:

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