Motorcycle propuct design project SOS

[sars]

Hey guys
Re: Previous KB Thread - Do you commute on a motorcycle?
(My final Batchelor of Product Design project)

Thanks so much for all your input on my previous survey! I learnt a lot from you all and now I have more of a sense of direction for my project :scooter:

I want to investigate more into solutions for motorcycle awareness of other road users, unfavourable weather and luggage storage..

So if you have a spare moment, I have a another quick survey...
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/motorcycleproductdesign_ii

Thank you :woohoo:
- Sarina

[jellywrestler]

Hey guys
Re: Previous KB Thread - Do you commute on a motorcycle?
(My final Batchelor of Product Design project)

Thanks so much for all your input on my previous survey! I learnt a lot from you all and now I have more of a sense of direction for my project :scooter:

I want to investigate more into solutions for motorcycle awareness of other road users, unfavourable weather and luggage storage..

So if you have a spare moment, I have a another quick survey...
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/motorcycleproductdesign_ii

Thank you :woohoo:
- Sarina
so instaed of just sucking the knowledge from us how about posting some of your more interesting answers here and sharing with us Sarina??

[TheDemonLord]

Doneski...

[sars]

so instaed of just sucking the knowledge from us how about posting some of your more interesting answers here and sharing with us Sarina??

Hahahaha but I am a knowledge PARASITE !!
I began the survey thinking I wanted to make a storage product for commuters, but that idea is pushed aside for now..
But for a brief summary:

80 Survey Respondents

Majority are AUCKLAND commuters
- a lot of motorways in AKL
- unpredictable weather
- very busy roads
Most commutes taking 20-30 minutes

Mid & large capacity sportsbikes most common
Honda(most common) VFR, VTR, CB, CBR
Triumph Street Triple 675
Kawasaki Ninja 250-1200
Suzuki Hayabusa
BMWS1000RR

AGE GROUP
25-34 (28%)
45-54 (28%)

CARRIED ITEMS
#1 Clothes (work/gym clothes, shoes, spare wet weather gear)
#2 Food (lunch and/or groceries)
#3 Laptop (often in laptop bag/backpack)
#4 Water Bottle
#5 Tools
#6 Paddock/rear stand
Only one mention of First Aid items.
Most awkward to carry: 16 respondents mention food & drink, esp. groceries, beer & fast food items.

50% use MOUNTED storage solutions
Most commonly VENTURA PACK RACKS

DISASTERS
SECURING ITEMS magnetic tank bags ‘letting go’, & straps coming loose or breaking
TAKEAWAY/HOT FOODS -curry, drinks. Smelly, spilly.

WANT TO CARRY
- food, more groceries
- more room for clothing
- women

Food & drinks vs electronics (either in-bag or on-bike)

COFFEE HOLDER?
No 37
Maybe 3
Yes 16
Concerns about safety, spilling, getting cold.

PROS
- fun, exciting
- fast, time consistency, bypass traffic
- economy, fuel
- parking convenience
- happy, therapeutic, de-stress

CONS
44 mention RAIN & COLD
particularly getting in & out of wet gear, gear taking a long time to dry
27 mention OTHER ROAD USERS
particularly people ‘not seeing them’

TOP CURRENT GEAR
- hot grips
- top box
- pack rack
- aftermarket horn
- paddock stand
- TP gauge

GEAR WISHLIST
- phone holder (waterproof)
- GPS & radar detectors
- proper warm waterproof wet weather gear
- storage, ‘hard box’ often mentioned

COMMENTS
- luggage adaptability & removability
- “the more useful they are, the worse they look”
- unobtrusive solutions, convenience
- storage security important


There was other good nuggets in there too but I picked out the bits that could be of most relevance to a uni design project..
I'll let you know how the new one goes, hopefully I've asked the right stuff? haha design is hard

[Laava]

Nice one....

[Pound]

Some interesting stats there.

Good job. :msn-wink:

[jasonu]

so instaed of just sucking the knowledge from us how about posting some of your more interesting answers here and sharing with us Sarina??

and a picture of you in a bikini...

[Madness]

and a picture of you in a bikini...

You haven't seen Jellywrestler in a bikini, obviously :facepalm:

[Kickaha]

You haven't seen Jellywrestler in a bikini, obviously :facepalm:

Thank fuck for that, it's bad enough seeing him fully clothed

[WristTwister]

A motorcycle product that I found really interesting for commuters was the rear view helmet. The brand I researched was REEVU http://www.reevu.com (http://www.reevu.com)


And while we're on the subject of storage, I'm sure that somewhere in the NZ road code it mentions a motorcycle trailer and the max speed you can go while towing a trailer on your motorbike. I have never seen a motorcycle towing a trailer in my life but part of me wonders what that would even look like....:confused:

[husaberg]

A motorcycle product that I found really interesting for commuters was the rear view helmet. The brand I researched was REEVU http://www.reevu.com (http://www.reevu.com)


And while we're on the subject of storage, I'm sure that somewhere in the NZ road code it mentions a motorcycle trailer and the max speed you can go while towing a trailer on your motorbike. I have never seen a motorcycle towing a trailer in my life but part of me wonders what that would even look like....:confused:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/160201-Mossy-Pick-of-the-week?p=1130893613#post1130893613
Mossey gone missing lately, ask him about it....
Your welcome:done:

[rastuscat]

A motorcycle product that I found really interesting for commuters was the rear view helmet. The brand I researched was REEVU http://www.reevu.com (http://www.reevu.com)


And while we're on the subject of storage, I'm sure that somewhere in the NZ road code it mentions a motorcycle trailer and the max speed you can go while towing a trailer on your motorbike. I have never seen a motorcycle towing a trailer in my life but part of me wonders what that would even look like....:confused:

If the trailer is more than 50% of the bike weight the speed is restricted to 40 kmh. A lighter Trailer is only restricted to 90 kmh like any other Trailer.

Or something like that.

[nudemetalz]

Done :cool:

[WristTwister]

If the trailer is more than 50% of the bike weight the speed is restricted to 40 kmh. A lighter Trailer is only restricted to 90 kmh like any other Trailer.

Or something like that.

Sounds about right to me.
Hmm... what weighs over 100kg that I could tow around town behind my bike? :devil2:

[husaberg]

Sounds about right to me.
Hmm... what weighs over 100kg that I could tow around town behind my bike? :devil2:

Yokel and axkle......

[Gremlin]

Sounds about right to me.
Hmm... what weighs over 100kg that I could tow around town behind my bike? :devil2:
You could tow one motorbike (on a trailer) with another?

I know a few people who have trailers, but definitely not common.

[Katman]

You haven't seen Jellywrestler in a bikini, obviously :facepalm:

If only that was all we'd gotten to see.

[Old Steve]

SARS,

Sent you a PM, doesn't seem to have sent so let me know if you've received it.

Steve

[jasonu]

You haven't seen Jellywrestler in a bikini, obviously :facepalm:

My motto is new is good... in some cases only for a limited time...

[pritch]

I have never seen a motorcycle towing a trailer in my life but part of me wonders what that would even look like....:confused:

They are not common here. My brother in West Australia had one, it was a camper and looked flash, colour coordinated to match the bike and all. Similar rig to the pic but his trailer was bigger.

They are more common in the US of A too. Places with more boring roads than ours tend to be.

[Akzle]

so what we can deduce from this is that aucklanders do so little in a day that they have time to do online surveys.
and they complain about dumb shit.
i mean really. guess what the fuck is going to happen if you ride a bike in the rain.

go on. guess.


Hahahaha but I am a knowledge PARASITE !!
I began the survey thinking I wanted to make a storage product for commuters, but that idea is pushed aside for now..
But for a brief summary:

80 Survey Respondents

Majority are AUCKLAND commuters
- a lot of motorways in AKL
- unpredictable weather
- very busy roads
Most commutes taking 20-30 minutes

Mid & large capacity sportsbikes most common
Honda(most common) VFR, VTR, CB, CBR
Triumph Street Triple 675
Kawasaki Ninja 250-1200
Suzuki Hayabusa
BMWS1000RR

AGE GROUP
25-34 (28%)
45-54 (28%)

CARRIED ITEMS
#1 Clothes (work/gym clothes, shoes, spare wet weather gear)
#2 Food (lunch and/or groceries)
#3 Laptop (often in laptop bag/backpack)
#4 Water Bottle
#5 Tools
#6 Paddock/rear stand
Only one mention of First Aid items.
Most awkward to carry: 16 respondents mention food & drink, esp. groceries, beer & fast food items.

50% use MOUNTED storage solutions
Most commonly VENTURA PACK RACKS

DISASTERS
SECURING ITEMS magnetic tank bags ‘letting go’, & straps coming loose or breaking
TAKEAWAY/HOT FOODS -curry, drinks. Smelly, spilly.

WANT TO CARRY
- food, more groceries
- more room for clothing
- women

Food & drinks vs electronics (either in-bag or on-bike)

COFFEE HOLDER?
No 37
Maybe 3
Yes 16
Concerns about safety, spilling, getting cold.

PROS
- fun, exciting
- fast, time consistency, bypass traffic
- economy, fuel
- parking convenience
- happy, therapeutic, de-stress

CONS
44 mention RAIN & COLD
particularly getting in & out of wet gear, gear taking a long time to dry
27 mention OTHER ROAD USERS
particularly people ‘not seeing them’

TOP CURRENT GEAR
- hot grips
- top box
- pack rack
- aftermarket horn
- paddock stand
- TP gauge

GEAR WISHLIST
- phone holder (waterproof)
- GPS & radar detectors
- proper warm waterproof wet weather gear
- storage, ‘hard box’ often mentioned

COMMENTS
- luggage adaptability & removability
- “the more useful they are, the worse they look”
- unobtrusive solutions, convenience
- storage security important


There was other good nuggets in there too but I picked out the bits that could be of most relevance to a uni design project..
I'll let you know how the new one goes, hopefully I've asked the right stuff? haha design is hard

[TheDemonLord]

i mean really. guess what the fuck is going to happen if you ride a bike in the rain.

go on. guess.

We bitch on forums about it?

[husaberg]

We bitch on forums about it?

Silly how would axekel know, he doesn't have a bike.....or ride a bike..

Apologies to axkel if axkel has a goat named bike

[TheDemonLord]

Actually something to add to the survey for must have gizmos:

ScottOiler - Commuting really racks up the Kms - at one point I was having to get the 6k service done every 3 months. If you consider a Chain typically lasts between 10-20 thousand Kms (depending on course of riding style, devotion to lubrication, Tension general maintenance etc.) - since I put on the ScottOiler, I've done about that (on a brand new chain and sprocket set) and have yet to have to adjust the Chain.

[Old Steve]

I'm a walking talking advert for the Scott Oiler, I fitted one to my first 250 cc learner cruiser. At 9000 km it had needed a new chain and sprocket set (original owner didn't look after the bike), so I fitted a Scott Oiler when they were fitted. I sold the bike 24,000 km later and the chain had only been adjusted once when a rear tire was fitted.

[sars]

Thanks Steve I got your PM and replied :)

Do those ScottOiler things make a mess?
Have you guys used the Motul Chain Lube? GOD it's sooo sticky it never flings off, it's like glue. How can glue be lubricating?? lol

[pritch]

Do those ScottOiler things make a mess?
Have you guys used the Motul Chain Lube? GOD it's sooo sticky it never flings off, it's like glue. How can glue be lubricating?? lol

I used to buy the Motul and I liked the way it went on. As you say though it is very sticky and all manner of grit and grunge adhere to the chain and must then be functioning as a grinding paste. Also it is difficult to apply any spray lube to the outer surface of the inner chain plates, IYSWIM. So I fitted a Scott oiler, and no it shouldn't make a mess, you adjust it so that it doesn't. The general idea is to lube the chain, not the tyre.

[sars]

Guys, a few more questions I forgot to ask...

If you use a paddock stand / rear stand (wtf are they called?), have you ever transported it on your bike?
How did you mount it?
What was the reason for needing to transport it?
What brand do you own, are some better than others?

A few people from the last survey said that was the most awkward thing they've carried.

The other day I did it myself, needed to go to my friends workshop to put the new stator in (fuckin bike has fried TWO stators in the last year, wtf?!)
Put a dropsheet on the rear cowl, chucked on the stand, and there is nothing that schtickytape cannot fix :laugh:

Thank you, love you long time xx

http://imageshack.com/a/img921/835/HLiiRM.jpg

[pritch]

If you use a paddock stand / rear stand (wtf are they called?), have you ever transported it on your bike?
How did you mount it?
What was the reason for needing to transport it?
What brand do you own, are some better than others?



Yes and no.
N/A
N/A
Dunno, it's in the shed and it's raining, but it was made in Italy. Dunno.

[Old Steve]

Chain lube can be a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't.

If you do, a really tacky chain lube does it's chain lubrication job really well, it stays in place! But it does collect dirt and stuff and keep them as well in the area of the chain links, eventually this can become a sort of grinding paste and you'll notice sprocket tooth and chain pin wear.

If you don't use a chain lube you'll notice rusty chain and excessive wear.

I''ve found the advantage of the Scott Oiler is that it uses a thinner non-tacky oil which is frequently applied and which tends to fling off and carry dirt away from the chain and sprockets, so it lubricates as well as clears dirt away from the area. But it does fling off, but I never found it a major problem, about once a week or fortnight I'd give my wheel rims and rear mudguard a wipe with a rag and clean away the film of oil and dirt, it was more like a powder actually.

Also the Scott Oiler is pre-set and you don't have to move your bike to expose more chain so you can spray or dribble a chain lube onto the chain. There's a setting ring which you turn to increase or decrease the lube rate, I used to set it (with the engine running because it only releases lube while there's vacuum on the unit) and adjusted it so there was one drop every 3 minutes. The drop falls onto the rear sprocket and is flung out into the chain, you'll notice a nice clean ring on the sprocket between where the nozzle points and the outside of the sprocket.

[TheDemonLord]

Thanks Steve I got your PM and replied :)

Do those ScottOiler things make a mess?
Have you guys used the Motul Chain Lube? GOD it's sooo sticky it never flings off, it's like glue. How can glue be lubricating?? lol

I've heard that poorly adjusted/installed ScottOilers can be messy - but this is user error as opposed to an issue with the Product - I got mine installed during a service and I noticed no increase in mess.

[Laava]

Guys, a few more questions I forgot to ask...

If you use a paddock stand / rear stand (wtf are they called?), have you ever transported it on your bike?
How did you mount it?
What was the reason for needing to transport it?
What brand do you own, are some better than others?

A few people from the last survey said that was the most awkward thing they've carried.

The other day I did it myself, needed to go to my friends workshop to put the new stator in (fuckin bike has fried TWO stators in the last year, wtf?!)
Put a dropsheet on the rear cowl, chucked on the stand, and there is nothing that schtickytape cannot fix :laugh:

Thank you, love you long time xx

http://imageshack.com/a/img921/835/HLiiRM.jpg

Uuuuuummmmm? Did you sticky tape that to the swingarm as well?

[Gremlin]

ScottOiler - Commuting really racks up the Kms - at one point I was having to get the 6k service done every 3 months.
Have you thought about having a shaft drive? :bleh:


Guys, a few more questions I forgot to ask...

If you use a paddock stand / rear stand (wtf are they called?), have you ever transported it on your bike?
How did you mount it?
What was the reason for needing to transport it?
What brand do you own, are some better than others?
Transported one once, when I bought it. Slung it over my backpack, which had straps etc. Worked reasonably well. Paddock stand is the most common name I'd say.

It's just those impractical bikes that don't have a centre stand... BMW does :D

[onearmedbandit]

Uuuuuummmmm? Did you sticky tape that to the swingarm as well?

Hahahah good spotting, that's gold.

[Old Steve]

Have you thought about having a shaft drive? :bleh

Second, third and fourth bikes have all been shaft drive.

[Moi]

... It's just those impractical bikes that don't have a centre stand... BMW does :D

Proper bikes are either shaft drive or rubber band drive and always have centre stands... :girlfight::violin::p

[TheDemonLord]

Have you thought about having a shaft drive? :bleh:

'Buses aren't Shaft Driven....


And besides - I don't like the idea of being shafted

[Ocean1]

Uuuuuummmmm? Did you sticky tape that to the swingarm as well?


Hahahah good spotting, that's gold.

I once saw someone build a pack rack, with a brace down the the back axle. He was painting it when I turned up, looked at both rack and bike several times, and finally asked where the brace bolted to.

Had to beat a hasty retreat, he got quite animated.

[AllanB]

Main stands are so 1980

[sars]

Uuuuuummmmm? Did you sticky tape that to the swingarm as well?

Hahaha yeah ! I thought it might help prevent it from going sideways and rubbing on the tyre..? Hahaha whatta banana :banana:
You should have seen me the other day trying to roll start it on the mall carpark, it was so slippery. Me and Bichael are like Steptoe & Son

[Laava]

Hahaha yeah ! I thought it might help prevent it from going sideways and rubbing on the tyre..? Hahaha whatta banana :banana:
You should have seen me the other day trying to roll start it on the mall carpark, it was so slippery. Me and Bichael are like Steptoe & Son

Haha, nice! You sound competent to me tho!