Cemetary Circuit, Ganganui 2016 [Archive]

Maha

28th July 2016, 13:58

Best little town in the West and home of prob the best street racing down under.
I think I have only missed two cemetery circuit meetings since 1959. had some wonderful photos but sadly all destroyed in my Mums house fire in 1974.

I (and guess many others) always looked forward to the Boxing Day TV coverage back in the day, and Yes nothing wrong with Wanganui apart from the muddy river. Visited there a few times during the 70's...even went there on a School trip from Palmmy. My fathers cousins used to race there, not sure if Neville did but certainly David.

I think the last time I watch that particular race on TV was in a games room at a New Plymouth camping ground in the early 80's.

jasonu

28th July 2016, 14:22

That's Ghanganui :yes:

Chur bro...323376

jellywrestler

28th July 2016, 15:51

My fathers cousins used to race there, not sure if Neville did but certainly David.

who were they, might be able to dig up some details

Kickaha

28th July 2016, 16:27

Best little town in the West and home of prob the best street racing down under.
From a competitor point of view I reckon Greymouth is far better

roogazza

28th July 2016, 18:09

I (and guess many others) always looked forward to the Boxing Day TV coverage back in the day, and Yes nothing wrong with Wanganui apart from the muddy river. Visited there a few times during the 70's...even went there on a School trip from Palmmy. My fathers cousins used to race there, not sure if Neville did but certainly David.
.

Was a good 'Meet' at its peak and then with TV coverage at Xmas time.
Saw a couple after living overseas a while, but flagged it in 2000 and haven't been back.(hell,that's 15 yrs !!).

jellywrestler

28th July 2016, 19:14

Was a good 'Meet' at its peak and then with TV coverage at Xmas time.
Saw a couple after living overseas a while, but flagged it in 2000 and haven't been back.(hell,that's 15 yrs !!).

it's peak? in whose eyes?
the two day meetings of the early eighties, the malboro series, current years where the variety of racing is bigger with moden classics, modern and classic sidecars and motards.
looks two years ago they had more international riders since the malboro series, this year could be even more

sidecar bob

28th July 2016, 19:35

We are expecting some VERY handy sidecar racers at cemetery circuit this year. My money is on a 600 F2 outfit for the win. Im picking it will be next level never seen before in NZ sidecar control by masters at the art.

HenryDorsetCase

28th July 2016, 19:37

Guy Martin was last year as well.

And in the last Cycle World I read Don Canet (who is quite quick) was fizzing at the bung because he had been to Paeroa and the column finished that he had been invited to race in FONGANOOEEE this year.

jellywrestler

28th July 2016, 19:58

oldiebutagoody

28th July 2016, 20:16

Chur bro...323376

I lived 18 years in Wanganui, and not one person cooked me eggs bitch.

Fantastic place to live .....if ya can get work there.

roogazza

29th July 2016, 08:37

it's peak? in whose eyes?
the two day meetings of the early eighties, the malboro series, current years where the variety of racing is bigger with moden classics, modern and classic sidecars and motards.
looks two years ago they had more international riders since the malboro series, this year could be even more

In mine and most people that were in and saw that era.
There's a difference in just getting anyone, or getting a world class peddler.
I mean Guy martin or Horst someone ???
But talk it up if you must, it's nothing like the the peak and boom years.
Marlboro got an Italian world 500 champ to come, as an eg.

Kickaha

29th July 2016, 08:42

Marlboro got an Italian world 500 champ to come, as an eg.
And last year there was a 5 x world sidecar champ

You sound like one of those old " back in my day" cunts :shifty:

eelracing

29th July 2016, 09:48

Saw a couple after living overseas a while, but flagged it in 2000 and haven't been back.(hell,that's 15 yrs !!).

Well get yo ass back there rooga...even just to get away from the rellies over xmas

jellywrestler

29th July 2016, 10:03

And last year there was a 5 x world sidecar champ

You sound like one of those old " back in my day" cunts :shifty:

think you mean six

jellywrestler

29th July 2016, 10:05

Well get yo ass back there rooga...even just to get away from the rellies over xmas

that cost me a bit of coin to do that sign, didn't ask for permission from anyone...
transit rang the cemetery circuit crew and ripped them a new one.... then took it down
it proves it's better to ask for forgiveness than permission.......

jellywrestler

29th July 2016, 10:16

In mine and most people that were in and saw that era.
There's a difference in just getting anyone, or getting a world class peddler.
I mean Guy martin or Horst someone ???
But talk it up if you must, it's nothing like the the peak and boom years.
Marlboro got an Italian world 500 champ to come, as an eg.

there were only about ten races in the day, if that, some were twenty lappers, and less variety as mentioned earlier,
guy martin is far more a recognised name to the average punter nowadays than any of the riders in the malboro series with the tt3d movie and his tv work, there's less than a handful of GP or riders that are more widely known than him, in fact maybe one. Died in the wool motorcyclists are getting rarer, he has brought motorcycling to the other people around, like burt munro, john britten etc, to me he was the biggest scalp they could pull for wanganui, if say rossi came who would go and watch him, he wouldn't race, his contract wouldn'e allow it, they might catch a glimpse of him, get an autograph. He was here car racing a couple of years ago, were the car race paddocks full of bikes waiting to get a glimpse of their hero, no.
Horst Saiger is a very well respected european journalist and a big scalp to pull, he is very active on the road racing scene in the northern hemisphere also riding the suzuka eight hour this weekend, as well as reaching many people through his media links. right now the overseas following of the cemetery circuit is bigger than it ever was and riders like these help it climb along.
world champion? the first and only current world champion to my knowledge is Tim Reeves, Jim Redman rode here in the 60's as current world champ but only demo'd on the day.

i don't disagree that the malboro series was huge, best prize money and biggest crowds but was the racing better, was the event better (in those days pretty well every public event drew bigger crowds, there was no sunday trading no videos and less events etc)

we all can sit in the corner and bleat in my day if we choose, or we can live our current lives.

jasonu

29th July 2016, 10:52

And last year there was a 5 x world sidecar champ

You sound like one of those old " back in my day" cunts :shifty:

Except no one cares about sidecars...:msn-wink:

roogazza

29th July 2016, 11:58

[QUOTE=jellywrestler;1130989671

we all can sit in the corner and bleat in my day if we choose, or we can live our current lives.[/QUOTE]

I get where you are coming from and good on you for keeping things alive up there.
I'm far from 'the good old days boy'. But do appreciate what we had,tho not at the time.
I've moved on and ride a modern beast,my money is spent following GPs.
The local scene I don't bother with,well,it can't compare can it.

old slider

29th July 2016, 12:33

Except no one cares about sidecars...:msn-wink:

Ahem!!! I think you will find a big chunk of race day supporters are there for just that reason, "SIDECARS" they are definitely a big draw card, I have seen nothing get the crowds more vocal.

ps if they want to kill off the cemetery circuit crowds, reduce the sidecars, guaranteed.

old slider

29th July 2016, 15:57

I get where you are coming from and good on you for keeping things alive up there.
I'm far from 'the good old days boy'. But do appreciate what we had,tho not at the time.
I've moved on and ride a modern beast,my money is spent following GPs.
The local scene I don't bother with,well,it can't compare can it.

I am not a road racer, but I do enjoy seeing our home grown riders mixing and often bettering the high calibre of overseas riders who come to NZ, "in my opinion" nothing gets the spectators on their feet like seeing them doing well against often bigger budgets and the latest machinery.

Road racing circuits seem to require a different calibre/type of rider, But you will certainly know this from your previous racing.

I am simply a spectator who is usually standing with jaw dropped, mouth wide open disbelief as these guys scream past within a few feet, often just inches.

jasonu

29th July 2016, 16:47

Ahem!!! I think you will find a big chunk of race day supporters are there for just that reason, "SIDECARS" they are definitely a big draw card, I have seen nothing get the crowds more vocal.

ps if they want to kill off the cemetery circuit crowds, reduce the sidecars, guaranteed.

Naa mate just a wind up. Side cars kick arse. Shame there aren't more of them (that can finish a race).

old slider

29th July 2016, 17:35

Naa mate just a wind up. Side cars kick arse. Shame there aren't more of them (that can finish a race).

lol. This thread has certainly brought back some memories, who can forget Crosby hanging off that Kawasaki as he scorched around the circuit or our local lad Richard Scott just to name two.

Maha

29th July 2016, 17:49

Except no one cares about sidecars...:msn-wink:

:psst: They fill in time so you can get a hot-dog without missing much....:eek:

Waits for sidecar abusers to take this seriously

jellywrestler

29th July 2016, 18:26

The local scene I don't bother with,well,it can't compare can it.

can't it, except for the hype we had two races at last years nzsbk with 3 thousandths of a second between first and second, and several over the last four years tat have been tighter, i remember at taupo we had two riders for about ten laps on the same thousandth of a second, and another 1 thousandth's off. I'll shout you a ticket to the Cemetery circuit this year Gary and then you can tell us after how it was.
yip the malboro series in terms of big names was great, but the twenty lap races rather than the more shorted races in a day have to be better entertainment???
the motogp is the highlight to most, but there is way better racing in moto 2 and moto 3 so it's in the eye of the beholder

jellywrestler

29th July 2016, 18:28

lol. This thread has certainly brought back some memories, who can forget Crosby hanging off that Kawasaki as he scorched around the circuit or our local lad Richard Scott just to name two.

and there's some of the charm Croz won just two races at Wanganui, yet he was the crowd favourite possibly of all time....

jellywrestler

29th July 2016, 18:30

I am not a road racer, but I do enjoy seeing our home grown riders mixing and often bettering the high calibre of overseas riders who come to NZ, "in my opinion" nothing gets the spectators on their feet like seeing them doing well against often bigger budgets and the latest machinery.

Road racing circuits seem to require a different calibre/type of rider, But you will certainly know this from your previous racing.

I am simply a spectator who is usually standing with jaw dropped, mouth wide open disbelief as these guys scream past within a few feet, often just inches.

and the proof in the challenge of the Cemetery Circuit is Dan Stauffer who won the feature race on his first visit a few years ago, 2010, he was the first rider to do so in 41 years

Crasherfromwayback

29th July 2016, 18:33

can't it,

Have you been to a Moto GP round Spyda?

pritch

29th July 2016, 19:04

world champion? the first and only current world champion to my knowledge is Tim Reeves,

Hugh Anderson?

jellywrestler

29th July 2016, 19:56

Have you been to a Moto GP round Spyda?

no I haven't Pete, not a two stroke fan but wanted to get there before they went, but didn't, and now i find myself at late teens numbers of nz events each year that i struggle for time to get to one, been to PI for posties and superbikes more than once so want to go elswhere. There's a big question here, you yourself went to one at PI last year of the one before and the closest races by far were the local superbikes, but you were off at the hotdog stand, your choice totally. What's the best racing, the fastest, the biggest hype the most backing in like motards? for years the highlight of the day at the cemetery circuit was Wills old trumpy sidecar, yet they were one of the slowest, but the average joe could relate to it, not the skilled set up after laps passes etc.

I went to the melbourne cup once, the feature race was so much bigger than the others, but they wee still brown horses doing the same shit all day long, good time to go and rip off a car or sneak in behind a bar and steal some piss though...

old slider

29th July 2016, 20:56

most of you guys have probably read this, but thought it was worth pasting in here.

http://www.maddixpark.co.nz/articles/cemetery-circuit-through-the-decades.html

jellywrestler

29th July 2016, 21:00

Hugh Anderson?

pretty sure Hugh didn't race back in new zealand during the years that he was world champion, he placed at the cemetery circuit in 1961 the only time he did in the sixties,
i'd be happy to be put right on this, that's how we learn shit

old slider

29th July 2016, 21:07

pretty sure Hugh didn't race back in new zealand during the years that he was world champion, he palced at the cemetery circuit in 1961 the only time he did in the sixties,
i'd be happy to be put right on this, that's how we learn shit

Interesting, The article says he won here in 61 and 62, then a works rider in 63 with the two GPs won out of his four and returned to Wanganui again in later years.

jellywrestler

29th July 2016, 21:14

Interesting, The article says he won here in 61 and 62, then a works rider in 63 with the two GPs won out of his four and returned to Wanganui again in later years.

my fuck up, had put control f into my search and boundary road in my hand as well, yip that's correct, he won his championships in 63-4 &5
he came back and raced later on, but not as current world champion, by placed i was a bit flippant, he did win in 61

husaberg

29th July 2016, 21:23

pretty sure Hugh didn't race back in new zealand during the years that he was world champion, he placed at the cemetery circuit in 1961 the only time he did in the sixties,
i'd be happy to be put right on this, that's how we learn shit

As far as I know when he retired from GP
Effectively a the time Suzuki Honda and Yamaha all pulled out of GP's
Suzuki also weighed him prior to a gp in 1965 and found out his secret.... he was far to heavy a 11 stone Also too tall at 5-9.
He then went straight into scrambles in England. He was selected (but did not ride)for the English motor x de-nations team
He also developed a Suzuki motor X bike for the factory. Raced grass track at the same time over their as well
Likely Not a lot of people know that after his battle of the twins exploits on the Mcintosh Vincent he was later the Works rider for the First Vee Two Alchemy racer and all this time would only ride on treaded tires.

jellywrestler

29th July 2016, 21:28

As far as I know when he retired from GP
Effectively a the time Suzuki Honda and Yamaha all pulled out of GP's
Suzuki also weighed him prior to a gp in 1965 and found out his secret.... he was far to heavy a 11 stone.
he went straight into scrambles in England. he was selected (but did not ride)for the English motor x de-nations team
He also developed a Suzuki motor X bike for the factory.
Likely Not a lot of people know that after his battle of the twins exploits on the Macintosh Vincent he was later the Works rider for the First Vee Two Alchemy racer and all this time would only ride on treaded tires.

i didn't know a lot about the finer points of racing when i was a lot younger but recall heading down to the Gracefield and among other classes was the BOT (battle of the Twins) really just a glorified classic race or similar. there was one rider right from the start at the hairpin who was picture perfect, every lap just spot on on an old matchy os similar, every one else had a differnet line every lap till they settled down, it was Hughy, i can still visualise how much superior he was to this day.
it's McIntosh too, spell it that way and you'll find ,lollies and raincoats.

husaberg

29th July 2016, 21:35

i didn't know a lot about the finer points of racing when i was a lot younger but recall heading down to the Gracefield and among other classes was the BOT (battle of the Twins) really just a glorified classic race or similar. there was one rider right from the start at the hairpin who was picture perfect, every lap just spot on on an old matchy os similar, every one else had a differnet line every lap till they settled down, it was Hughy, i can still visualise how much superior he was to this day.
it's McIntosh too, spell it that way and you'll find ,lollies and raincoats.

Whoops spelling:done: Yeah he's always been ultra smooth the few times I have ever seen him ride. It really stands out with the classey riders. Also effortless and incredibly humble, modest to boot.
I forgot to mention he was the official Suzuki rider chosen that launched the RGV250 in the UK.
Not his best day though he dropped it and blotted his copybook a bit I think broke an arm or something it almost ruined his UK classic season that year.

Crasherfromwayback

29th July 2016, 23:44

no I haven't Pete, not a two stroke fan but wanted to get there before they went, but didn't, and now i find myself at late teens numbers of nz events each year that i struggle for time to get to one, been to PI for posties and superbikes more than once so want to go elswhere. There's a big question here, you yourself went to one at PI last year of the one before and the closest races by far were the local superbikes, but you were off at the hotdog stand, your choice totally. What's the best racing, the fastest, the biggest hype the most backing in like motards? for years the highlight of the day at the cemetery circuit was Wills old trumpy sidecar, yet they were one of the slowest, but the average joe could relate to it, not the skilled set up after laps passes etc.

I went to the melbourne cup once, the feature race was so much bigger than the others, but they wee still brown horses doing the same shit all day long, good time to go and rip off a car or sneak in behind a bar and steal some piss though...

Mate...sorry, but I'm struggling with that post.

jellywrestler

30th July 2016, 09:24

Mate...sorry, but I'm struggling with that post.

it was beer oclock so talking shorthand by then, no pete haven't been to a GP

roogazza

30th July 2016, 09:27

can't it, except for the hype we had two races at last years nzsbk with 3 thousandths of a second between first and second, and several over the last four years tat have been tighter, i remember at taupo we had two riders for about ten laps on the same thousandth of a second, and another 1 thousandth's off. I'll shout you a ticket to the Cemetery circuit this year Gary and then you can tell us after how it was.
yip the malboro series in terms of big names was great, but the twenty lap races rather than the more shorted races in a day have to be better entertainment???
the motogp is the highlight to most, but there is way better racing in moto 2 and moto 3 so it's in the eye of the beholder

Back now after a rest,us Pensioners need that.
I think I see your angle Spyda,family entertainment with close racing ?Appreciate that.
My first Motogp,I had waited 40 yrs to see,my heart was racing and I had a tear in the eye.
It had such an affect I have been doing it 12 yrs.(at great cost I might ad.)

I'm the sort that would rather have a go than watch others, but thanks for the offer.
That's the trouble as I see it.Average joe's having fun.Even I can do that.
But its our sport isn't it .

jellywrestler

30th July 2016, 09:52

Back now after a rest,us Pensioners need that.
I think I see your angle Spyda,family entertainment with close racing ?Appreciate that.
My first Motogp,I had waited 40 yrs to see,my heart was racing and I had a tear in the eye.
It had such an affect I have been doing it 12 yrs.(at great cost I might ad.)

I'm the sort that would rather have a go than watch others, but thanks for the offer.
That's the trouble as I see it.Average joe's having fun.Even I can do that.
But its our sport isn't it .

i do want and need to go to a motogp, time and coin when self employed is a headache but less now that i've established my business, plus as said don't want to go to PI really, so that makes it a little harder, what's worse for me is with ray whitham falling off his perch last year we're a commentator short in nz, and they aren't coming through so i've ended up doing a fair bit of his meetings,

Grumph

30th July 2016, 10:31

jellywrestler

30th July 2016, 10:38

There is a basic problem which I think we all recognise - the best of the best, riding the best, don't always produce the best racing...

And from a factories point of view, total dominance is the aim....not entertainment.

Spyda, surely Chas Mortimer was a reigning World Champ when he rode at wanga ?
Hugh came home with a 125 in '61 and was unbelievably fast on it. Ran away from Tommy McC on a VERY good manx at Wigram.
Works bikes 1st and 2nd there - Ginger had a works 250 bultaco here. So quickest circuit in NZ and it was 125, 250,500, LOL....

aint formula one cars a great example of the best not being exciting?
chas mortimer He had his best Grand Prix season in 1973 when he finished second to Kent Andersson in the 125cc world championship
according to wiki was never a world champion
i'd love to be proved wrong re world champs riding there, good way for us trainspotters to have a cock swinging session Greg

Crasherfromwayback

30th July 2016, 12:26

it was beer oclock so talking shorthand by then, no pete haven't been to a GP

Hahaha...nice one! A beer well earned no doubt. As much as I love Wanganui, both as a former competitor and as a spectator, it can't really compare to a round of Moto GP as an experience, no matter how close the racing is. And in saying that, I mean no disrespect to the many many people involved in putting the show on at Wanganui year after year. It's without doubt my favorite road racing event in NZ by miles.

jellywrestler

30th July 2016, 12:40

Hahaha...nice one! A beer well earned no doubt. As much as I love Wanganui, both as a former competitor and as a spectator, it can't really compare to a round of Moto GP as an experience, no matter how close the racing is. And in saying that, I mean no disrespect to the many many people involved in putting the show on at Wanganui year after year. It's without doubt my favorite road racing event in NZ by miles.

i'd agree on that Pete too, just got to get my arse to one!

pritch

30th July 2016, 12:48

i do want and need to go to a motogp, time and coin when self employed is a headache but less now that i've established my business, plus as said don't want to go to PI really, so that makes it a little harder,

PI would be cheapest and it's a great track, as in one of the very best. Definitely not one of those glorified Go Kart tracks. I was tempted to try Sepang but rain is frequently forecast to arrive about the time the MotoGP race starts so... Some places in SE Asia the arrival time of the rain is very predictable during the wet season, not quite so much at KL apparently.

About Hugh Anderson, his book is available, many bike shops were selling it. Unfortunately I can't access mine because I lent to it Shaun before he had his accident. I only hope he recovers enough to read it. I'm pretty sure Anderson raced his Nortons here when he was riding AJS and Matchless in Europe. It didn't occur to me that he didn't race them whlle on a Suzuki contract?

In answer to another comment; Anderson didn't retire from road racing when the factory did. Things had changed within the team and the way it was run. He had been in the habit of doing a lot of work on his bikes with the mechanic, and using his own engine and gearbox settings rather than those specified. When the factory put a stop to that he decided it was time to leave. With the casualty rate among riders at the time it was probably a wise choice.

Crasherfromwayback

30th July 2016, 12:50

i'd agree on that Pete too, just got to get my arse to one!

You won't be disappointed when you do mate. Just make sure you take ear plugs!

Crasherfromwayback

30th July 2016, 12:57

PI would be cheapest and it's a great track, as in one of the very best. .

I was so glad to got to go to Laguna Seca before they canned it. It's the one GP you can go to where you can just about guarantee it ain't gonna rain!

ellipsis

30th July 2016, 14:34