Helen Clark and her bid for the UN job

[Stylo]

Seems she's slipping down the ladder a little after her second big interview .

Why am I not surprised ? One look at her 'ever-angry' face and I wouldn't be voting for her either ...

[Jin]

Im glad. Shes a revolting power mad bitch. Her reign over NZ was a low point for NZ imo.

[Berries]

I'd tap it.

[Virago]

As a woman her looks are the first qualification hurdle.

[husaberg]

Im glad. Shes a revolting power mad bitch. Her reign over NZ was a low point for NZ imo.

Are you confusing her with the queen?:msn-wink:

[WristTwister]

As a woman her looks are the first qualification hurdle.

Sad isn't it?



Even others calling her "a power mad bitch", why? because she's a woman leader and should be at home doing the cleaning? It sounds like sexism to me.

There could be potential benefits for NZ having a NZer as the UN Secretary General but sadly too many people seem to make petty criticisms.

[Stylo]

Sad isn't it?



Even others calling her "a power mad bitch", why? because she's a woman leader and should be at home doing the cleaning? It sounds like sexism to me.

There could be potential benefits for NZ having a NZer as the UN Secretary General but sadly too many people seem to make petty criticisms.

Don't see enough if any feminine qualities in 'Helen' to call her a real woman. She's married but lives apart from her husband and still calls her herself 'Miss' rather than Mrs. That's always been a concern of mine and not a petty criticism .

Her caustic approach I guess is something she was born with nonetheless but it still irks me and, no doubt has affected her chances of getting the top job. She never stood a chance anyway. Why ? She has no charisma ....

Zero

[Tazz]

Yeah, she'll never be a successful political.......:facepalm:

Certainly not her biggest fan but you'd swear you guys were unaware of her just somewhat successful political career here with some of those comments. Pretty sure none of the outstanding KB brain trust have been the countrys head honcho :laugh: :bleh:

As for the UN vote, the whole thing is a bit meh these days considering most countries just do what they want anyway.

[Voltaire]

Yeah, she'll never be a successful political.......:facepalm:

Certainly not her biggest fan but you'd swear you guys were unaware of her just somewhat successful political career here with some of those comments. Pretty sure none of the outstanding KB brain trust have been the countries head honcho :laugh: :bleh:

As for the UN vote, the whole thing is a bit meh these days considering most countries just do what they want anyway.

KB Brain Trust, thats an oxymoron.

I suppose if Helen Clark had climbed a high mountain we would all love her :banana:

[Virago]

Sad isn't it?

Even others calling her "a power mad bitch", why? because she's a woman leader and should be at home doing the cleaning? It sounds like sexism to me.

There could be potential benefits for NZ having a NZer as the UN Secretary General but sadly too many people seem to make petty criticisms.

It's always interesting to see how influential or talented men and women are treated differently. Susan Boyle was a classic example - universally condemned for her looks. A fate her predecessor Paul Potts wasn't subjected to, yet he had a face which resembled a nasty explosion.

Interestingly, such petty criticism is not solely a male domain, women can be just as bad at condemning other women on the basis of looks.


Don't see enough if any feminine qualities in 'Helen' to call her a real woman...

A typically misogynistic view.


...She's married but lives apart from her husband...

Not an uncommon situation for career international politicians and diplomats, but apparently only acceptable if you're male. Peter Davis has his own successful career. Would it have been better for him to give that up to suit your delicate sensibilities?


...and still calls her herself 'Miss' rather than Mrs. That's always been a concern of mine and not a petty criticism...

Wrong. She herself uses the title "Ms", not uncommon for women who haven't adopted their husband's name. However the media frequently use the title Miss. And yes it is petty.

Btw, how many threads do you need to start on the same topic?

[nerrrd]

Yeah, she'll never be a successful political.......:facepalm:

Certainly not her biggest fan but you'd swear you guys were unaware of her just somewhat successful political career here with some of those comments. Pretty sure none of the outstanding KB brain trust have been the countries head honcho :laugh: :bleh:

As for the UN vote, the whole thing is a bit meh these days considering most countries just do what they want anyway.

It's basically a diplomatic role, isn't it? A diplomat she ain't...she's a highly skilled, ruthless politician, ergo exactly what they don't want.

[Virago]

...I suppose if Helen Clark had climbed a high mountain we would all love her :banana:

Lol, and she's quite an accomplished mountaineer.


Our prime minister has been rather unique in being a great lover of the out of doors and she's always off climbing something, doing something exciting and I think that New Zealanders admire that. That is sort of the way of life that they have come to accept in our little old island in the south seas. But Helen has been particularly strong in this respect. So long may she reign.

[Akzle]

weten't you leaving kb. because of me? (again) why the fuck do you even bother? I mean, helen clark? who gives a shit? the jewnited nations? fuck off.

[Jin]

Foreshore and seabed fiasco was one thing. There was a hikoi to the beehive by a bunch of murrays up north and she went to see a sheep instead. I dont support murrays but goddam have some fukn respect you bitch and at least acknowledge them.

The anti smacking law. If i wanna beat my kids to a pulp its none of anyone elses goddam business.

Getting rid of the privy council. Because our judges here are so fukn good right :facepalm:

Election campaign rules and now the retard leftys dont like it either because it doesnt suit them the slimy cunts

Thats a just a few of the top of my head theres a lot more

[Stylo]

weten't you leaving kb. because of me? (again) why the fuck do you even bother? I mean, helen clark? who gives a shit? the jewnited nations? fuck off.

Can we weed these guys out that can't spell or even string two words together ?

Help me out or at least give me some tips ...' weten't ' that's a new one :-)

[Madness]

Help me out or at least give me some tips ...

Try not to be such a homo?

[pritch]

The media here like to point out how qualified Helen is. Most of the other candidates are silimilarly qualified. There are multiple former Prime Ministers who are currently heading UN agencies. This time there was a feeling that it was time for a woman to lead the UN, so far so good. There was also strong sentiment that this was Eastern Europe's turn, NZ is a long way from Eastern Europe.

Early on it was pointed out that Helen only had an outside chance, if one of the front runners was unacceptable though, it was possible she could come through as a compromise candidate.

I haven't seen who the current front runners are but one of the candidates is a female, former prime minster, from an Eastern European country, (Bulgaria) and she also currently heads a UN agency. Id be interested to see how she's going since she'd seem to tick all the boxes.

Interestingly several strong candidates have had a change of government at home since they nominated, this could create difficulties as all nominees must have the support of their own government.

[TheDemonLord]

Interestingly, such petty criticism is not solely a male domain, women can be just as bad at condemning other women on the basis of looks.

Statistically - It's women that are the worst offenders for that...



As for Helen - I'm on the Fence - it will be good for NZ and good on a principle to see her Nab the top Job - but I wasn't a fan of her Policies in NZ and don't think I would be a fan of her Policies in the UN either.

[Virago]

I dont support murrays but goddam have some fukn respect you bitch and at least acknowledge them.

The anti smacking law. If i wanna beat my kids to a pulp its none of anyone elses goddam business.

Seeing as it's the Murrays who beat their kids to a (dead) pulp I'm assuming that makes it a double insult to them.

[gsxr]

What does/has the UN actually achieved.???

Under the United Nations Charter, the functions and powers of the Security Council are:

to maintain international peace and security in accordance with the principles and purposes of the United Nations;
to investigate any dispute or situation which might lead to international friction;
to recommend methods of adjusting such disputes or the terms of settlement;
to formulate plans for the establishment of a system to regulate armaments;
to determine the existence of a threat to the peace or act of aggression and to recommend what action should be taken;
to call on Members to apply economic sanctions and other measures not involving the use of force to prevent or stop aggression;

Not something I would consider they have been or are successful at to date.

[Berries]

To be honest I don't understand why she was even at the Chiefs after match function.

[Berries]

Sorry. Wrong thread.

[jasonu]

Im glad. Shes a revolting power mad bitch. Her reign over NZ was a low point for NZ imo.

Yet somehow you lot voted her in for 3 fucking terms!
Hells bells we (USA) are most likely to have a Helen of our own by the end of the year...


Edit
It might be moot now
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11688605

[oldrider]

What does/has the UN actually achieved.???

Under the United Nations Charter, the functions and powers of the Security Council are:

to maintain international peace and security in accordance with the principles and purposes of the United Nations;
to investigate any dispute or situation which might lead to international friction;
to recommend methods of adjusting such disputes or the terms of settlement;
to formulate plans for the establishment of a system to regulate armaments;
to determine the existence of a threat to the peace or act of aggression and to recommend what action should be taken;
to call on Members to apply economic sanctions and other measures not involving the use of force to prevent or stop aggression;

Not something I would consider they have been or are successful at to date.


Yet somehow you lot voted her in for 3 fucking terms!
Hells bells we (USA) are most likely to have a Helen of our own by the end of the year...


Edit
It might be moot now
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11688605

Listening to Helen Clark there she spoke well and if she walked the talk - she is the last thing that Israel would ever want as secretary general - 8,9,10 - out! :kick:

What Israel wants - Israel gets! :shutup: and American puppetry always sees to it that she does! :stoogie: watch this space! :corn:

[AllanB]

Bloody UN is a ineffective figurehead.

[pritch]

IIRC the Security Council was set up following WW2, so the composition of it reflects the problems they envisioned at that time. The world is currently a very different place with very different problems to the 1940s. It's quite possible that there could be a better mechanism to deal with today's problems than the current Security Council. Don't hold your breath. :whistle:

[Jin]

Yet somehow you lot voted her in for 3 fucking terms!
Hells bells we (USA) are most likely to have a Helen of our own by the end of the year...


Edit
It might be moot now
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11688605
I never voted for her and it wasnt until the 3rd term she went full retard

[jasonu]

I never voted for her

That's what everyone says.

[TheDemonLord]

That's what everyone says.

To be fair, its not like there was any real opposition....

[Tazz]

It's basically a diplomatic role, isn't it? A diplomat she ain't...she's a highly skilled, ruthless politician, ergo exactly what they don't want.

No one who gets a position like that has any sort of halo over their head. They are all ruthless at that level.

[Banditbandit]

Getting rid of the privy council. Because our judges here are so fukn good right :facepalm:



Bill Birch, Jim Bolger, Helen Clarke, Paul East, Sian Elias, Michael Hardie Boys, John Henry, Jonathan Hunt, Kenneth Keith, Don McKinnon, Duncan McMullin, Mike Moore, Geoffrey Palmer, Winston Peters, Jenny Shipley, Peter Tapsell, Andrew Tipping, Simon Upton

are all current members of the Privy Council - don't see too many lawyers or judges there .. less than half.


But are you suggesting that British judges are better than New Zealand judges? Do you really think that our best legal minds are sub-standard?

[TheDemonLord]

Bill Birch, Jim Bolger, Helen Clarke, Paul East, Sian Elias, Michael Hardie Boys, John Henry, Jonathan Hunt, Kenneth Keith, Don McKinnon, Duncan McMullin, Mike Moore, Geoffrey Palmer, Winston Peters, Jenny Shipley, Peter Tapsell, Andrew Tipping, Simon Upton

are all current members of the Privy Council - don't see too many lawyers or judges there .. less than half.


But are you suggesting that British judges are better than New Zealand judges? Do you really think that our best legal minds are sub-standard?

Without suggesting that NZ judges are worse than UK judges - the idea was that you had a group separate from the NZ legal system as a check and balance. Any group that has a degree of isolation (such as the NZ legal system) is susceptible to creep.

I liken the Privy council to 'a different set of eyes' and 'a fresh perspective'

[carbonhed]

Bill Birch, Jim Bolger, Helen Clarke, Paul East, Sian Elias, Michael Hardie Boys, John Henry, Jonathan Hunt, Kenneth Keith, Don McKinnon, Duncan McMullin, Mike Moore, Geoffrey Palmer, Winston Peters, Jenny Shipley, Peter Tapsell, Andrew Tipping, Simon Upton

are all current members of the Privy Council - don't see too many lawyers or judges there .. less than half.


But are you suggesting that British judges are better than New Zealand judges? Do you really think that our best legal minds are sub-standard?

i think our appeals used to go to the Judicial committee of the Privy Council... they're all legal heavyweights... could be wrong.

Wonder what Peter Ellis thinks of the calibre of our legal system? An outsiders perspective was very valuable.

[husaberg]

Bill Birch, Jim Bolger, Helen Clarke, Paul East, Sian Elias, Michael Hardie Boys, John Henry, Jonathan Hunt, Kenneth Keith, Don McKinnon, Duncan McMullin, Mike Moore, Geoffrey Palmer, Winston Peters, Jenny Shipley, Peter Tapsell, Andrew Tipping, Simon Upton

are all current members of the Privy Council - don't see too many lawyers or judges there .. less than half.


But are you suggesting that British judges are better than New Zealand judges? Do you really think that our best legal minds are sub-standard?

RE lawyers, Off the top of my head Winston Peters was one, as was Sir Geoffrey palmer.

Later after a google

John Henry (judge)
Sian Elias laywer, Judge and former chief Justice of NZ
Sir Michael Hardie Boys Laywer high court Judge and former Gov general
Sir Kenneth Keith Lawyer, judge
Sir Duncan McMullin is a retired judge of the Court of Appeal of New Zealand.
Andrew Tipping laywer judge etc etc
Simon Upton law degree

It looks like exactly half. plus a fair few ex prime ministers ie legal head of NZ, a mouldie and a few teachers