Skill #1

[Paul in NZ]

Stick to your side of the F*&%king road

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world-videos/news/video.cfm?c_id=1503326&gal_cid=1503326&gallery_id=163882

Jesus - words fail me...

[oldiebutagoody]

There's a reason why the cliche "cutting corners to get the job done" has negative connotations...........


Ride like everyone else on the road is an idiot, and you won't be far off the truth sometimes.

[Taxythingy]

To be old and wise, you first have to be young and stupid. But not too stupid, else this might happen.

This was stupid dialled to 11. :brick:

Need to make the first part of the licence process about attitude.
1. Am I going to fuck up someone else's day?
2. Am I going to fuck up my passenger's day?
3. Am I going to fuck up my day?

[MIXONE]

That is why I go on very few group rides.

[Maha]

That is why I go on very few group rides.

Free for all with variant skill levels and no structure can = Whoa fuck! moments. I went on several such rides within a couple of years of starting out, and after two bins on one and three on another my head said no more.

[Metastable]

That was insane! Accidents like this don't help to keep unrestricted roads the way they are now. Two bikes head on .... wide open corner with good visibility. WOW!

[Banditbandit]

Yes .. that's exactly why riders should not cut corners ...

[Saarg]

Stick to your side of the F*&%king road

+1 that


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[Ntoxcated]

That is why I go on very few group rides.

The dude at the back that was following too close and ended up in the ditch is perhaps the 'victim' of a group ride, but it looked like the offending party here was just passing in an inappropriate place that probably would have happened no matter what was in front of him.

[Ifsn8u]

Hey dude, lets do a head on and see if we can make a fireball.....



In all seriousness though what a douche. the line is there for a reason.

[IronPawz]

Godz that is horrible. The offender was way over (seems to try and go right outside the oncoming guy even) and one of them is on fire on the ground at the end. I can think of at least 2 times I've ended up on the wrong side of the road through my own poor judgement, all without incident, all years ago and each one a personal embarrassment. But for the grace of the great spaghetti monster in the sky (may his noodley appendages bless you all) go I.

I can also think of of a few group rides where I've seen a lot of pointless passing in bad places.

[PrincessBandit]

Godz that is horrible. The offender was way over (seems to try and go right outside the oncoming guy even) and one of them is on fire on the ground at the end. I can think of at least 2 times I've ended up on the wrong side of the road through my own poor judgement, all without incident, all years ago and each one a personal embarrassment. But for the grace of the great spaghetti monster in the sky (may his noodley appendages bless you all) go I.

I can also think of of a few group rides where I've seen a lot of pointless passing in bad places.

I think we can all identify with your post. It's just a fact of life though that for some they don't survive to learn their lesson. What is worse is that others who do survive disasters like that don't always take the necessary lessons which came at such tragic cost.

[Katman]

I think we can all identify with your post. It's just a fact of life though that for some they don't survive to learn their lesson. What is worse is that others who do survive disasters like that don't always take the necessary lessons which came at such tragic cost.

And what's even worse is when innocent others don't survive someone's act of stupidity.

[MrMarko]

And what's even worse is when innocent others don't survive someone's act of stupidity.

100% agree.

[onearmedbandit]

That guy must have been under real intense pressure to keep up not to notice the bike coming the other way. The guy overtaking behind him must have been under pressure too. As for the guy who crashed off the road that's the price you sometimes pay for rubber necking.

Or....he just fucked up due to his own stupid decision, nothing to do with feeling like he had to keep up. Maybe he wasn't even a part of that group.

[caseye]

That guy must have been under real intense pressure to keep up not to notice the bike coming the other way. The guy overtaking behind him must have been under pressure too. As for the guy who crashed off the road that's the price you sometimes pay for rubber necking.

Get back under your rock! You've had enough experience at crashing,(7 times at least, and not one of them avoidable, SUB BRACKET( 3 of them, Dogs running at you.Sub BRACKET) or your fault. UN Fucking believeable) but you sure as hell know nothing about pressure, group riding or what the rider in the wrong was or was not thinking about as he crashed head on into another motorcycle ( just 700mm's wide) when he was on thier side of the road and had at least a metre either side of him to use in order not to crash into him.
I'm tired of you're inane , unknowing inexperienced comments on any and everything that is said here, rock and hurry up about it.

[onearmedbandit]

Just because you think he was not riding under pressure to keep up it does not mean you for that matter are anymore correct than me. Riding under pressure to keep up is something I have witnessed many times so its not an unreal conclusion to draw in my opinion.

You said 'he must...'. How can you be so sure of that from a 20s video? Just because you witnessed it, in your words, 'many times ' before does not mean this was the case this time. It's a possibility sure, but not a foregone conclusion.

[PrincessBandit]

That guy must have been under real intense pressure to keep up not to notice the bike coming the other way. The guy overtaking behind him must have been under pressure too. As for the guy who crashed off the road that's the price you sometimes pay for rubber necking.

And he might just have been a nob who was in his own little world out for his jollies on two wheels "doing the Isle of Man" in his head, when all of a sudden he ended both his and another person's life. As for the rider who ended up fishtailing into the ditch, following too closely is more likely his problem. Regardless, I'm sure even you would "rubber neck" if you suddenly saw two opposing bikes erupt in a fireball.

[Virago]

That guy must have been under real intense pressure to keep up not to notice the bike coming the other way. The guy overtaking behind him must have been under pressure too. As for the guy who crashed off the road that's the price you sometimes pay for rubber necking.

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[nzspokes]

Just because you think he was not riding under pressure to keep up it does not mean you for that matter are anymore correct than me. Riding under pressure to keep up is something I have witnessed many times so its not an unreal conclusion to draw in my opinion.

You struggle to keep up with bicycles dont you?

[Jin]

Cassina got left behind on a group ride once. She couldn't keep up and crashed. Now she hates them they are the devil and the cause of all crashes.

[Metastable]

While we are on the topic of group rides.

#2 Skill: Ride your own ride (even if you are with a group) if they won't wait for you at the next turn off, probably not worth riding with them anyway. Don't get suckered into doing things that are not in your comfort zone. If someone is riding like a twat, let them, do what you are comfortable with. OK.... I'll get off my old man soapbox. :shutup:

[Akzle]

skill #3, not riding into dogs.

repeat as necessary.

[george formby]

While we are on the topic of group rides.

#2 Skill: Ride your own ride (even if you are with a group) if they won't wait for you at the next turn off, probably not worth riding with them anyway. Don't get suckered into doing things that are not in your comfort zone. If someone is riding like a twat, let them, do what you are comfortable with. OK.... I'll get off my old man soapbox. :shutup:

Yup. Bikes are an individual experience, roads are shared. My take on the big bang was a rider to preoccupied with getting ahead in the group to focus on what was ahead. Save it for the track. Room for two on the soapbox?

[Maha]

Just because you think he was not riding under pressure to keep up it does not mean you for that matter are anymore correct than me. Riding under pressure to keep up is something I have witnessed many times so its not an unreal conclusion to draw in my opinion.

On a large group ride years ago, I had a bike undertake me on a left hand bend, not a lot of room but it happened so fast I didn't have time to react apart from the 'WTF'! Apparently he was trying to keep up with lead riders, what was said to him was '' dude don't even try'.

It wasn't that long after that two guys were killed in a head on bike crash around the same area riding like idiots, someone was on the wrong side of the road right?

[caseye]

You older fellas feel free to get right up there on that soap box. If anyone learns what to do when confronted with a twist to keep up or sit back, take your time and enjoy/ride your own ride , then it's worth hammering on the box. Better the soap box than The Wooden box.
For what it's worth miss cassina Maha and many others here in KB have organised/put together many group rides/rally's protest rides and charity rides, over the years, all of them well attended and with an attrition rate that I know of, of near enough to zero, the experience has always been a pleasurable one and I am happy to say I've lead/run many since those early days and also not yet lost anyone or had someone say I had to try real hard to keep up.
Were you riding with those devil dog gangs, they'll leave you for dead without batting en eyelid, you should choose your ride company better.
Just got back from a FBMC jaunt, 9 bikes. HD, Spewsuki's Honda's Cagiva, ranging in size from 800cc to 1800cc, no hero's.
Dorkland, to Behtleham, via Hobbittville, to Ngatea,then on to The muddy via the Waikino Pub, great old place, bloody to get out of safely though, all on back roads, wide sweeping corners, good visibility, little traffic and a relaxed pace, and back, great ride, great people, conversation awesome, no fucking phones or fuckbook to be seen and a great day had by all, no silly riding, no off's and all home safe and finally got in a good longish ride over winter.

[AllanB]

I enjoyed a bloody good coffee and sausage roll at Little River today, and a decent chat with a couple other equally chilled riders.

Ride your own ride. Fucked up video that original post - group rides generally suck arse. Best avoided.

[nzspokes]

Today we did Coro Loop, and we didnt die!

Mind you the 2 twats that were leaned over into the opposite lane may have caught a faceful of boat trailer after I saw them. Muppets. Funny thing was I was trying to practise the things picked up on my last observed ride.

[jim.cox]

group rides generally suck arse. Best avoided.

Agreed

Too many dangerous dickheads out there

Worst thing - they have no concept of how dangerous or what dickheads they are

[Laava]

On our way up to do the maugamukas this morning, we had to move over because of oncoming harley riders with their wide bars and wide pegs swerving into our lane, closely followed by a donut scoffer in a commodore with all lights and sirens going. Fuck those clowns give me the shits, hope they fucken crashed safely!

[trufflebutter]

closely followed by a donut scoffer in a commodore with all lights and sirens going.

Could it be that he may have been heading to Taupo?


Are you selling doughnuts as well? The white powdered ones?

[Banditbandit]

Just because you think he was not riding under pressure to keep up it does not mean you for that matter are anymore correct than me. Riding under pressure to keep up is something I have witnessed many times so its not an unreal conclusion to draw in my opinion.

1 The rider at fault is not struggling to keep up - he's passing the lead bike ...

2 The group is not going that fast ... only a real bunny would be struggling to keep up .. and the real bunny would be on a smaller bike ... look at the lean angles on the bikes in the corner - hardly leaning ...

3 He's macho bullshit .. see 1 .. and it cost him and someone else BIG TIME

Completely avoidable ... he only had to wait a few seconds ...

[Tricia1000]

Can someone repost the link please. Each time I click on the link in the 1st message, I get an reticle bout the olympics

Stick to your side of the F*&%king road

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world-videos/news/video.cfm?c_id=1503326&gal_cid=1503326&gallery_id=163882

Jesus - words fail me...

[Moi]

Can someone repost the link please. Each time I click on the link in the 1st message, I get an reticle bout the olympics

OP's link still seems to be working however, here's a link to an extended version on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNJ4c4KHlDY

or this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1icKFqNtULQ

[Paul in NZ]

OP's link still seems to be working however, here's a link to an extended version on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNJ4c4KHlDY

or this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1icKFqNtULQ

Jesus that's heartbreaking....

[mossy1200]

I cant believe that 2 riders rode past and didn't even stop until further down the road.

Side note. I try avoid group rides because larger groups do tend to ride above the comfortable speed of the least experienced rider or guy/gal with the least capable bike (disclaimer: Not stating this was a group ride in the clip).

[Paul in NZ]

The thing is, the vid is shot from some kind of classic bike (Honda 4??) so the pace was not frentic. Its just that the public get a shot to ride the course and I guess get a shot of the old blood rush to the head and.... sigh....

Very silly....

[Maha]

The thing is, the vid is shot from some kind of classic bike (Honda 4??) so the pace was not frentic. Its just that the public get a shot to ride the course and I guess get a shot of the old blood rush to the head and.... sigh....

Very silly....

Some who go there may get into the mindset that the road is in 'track mode' and believe it is closed to two way traffic.

[nerrrd]

I cant believe that 2 riders rode past and didn't even stop until further down the road.

From the comments:

I was riding directly behind the crash in the white leathers.we all stoped just past the crash because of the fire.buy the time we ran back down the road it was an inferno and Thare was nothing we could do.both riders were killed instantly on impact,Thare was no movement at all from both of them and the fire was intense.iam sorry for both families involved .but Thare was nothing we could do.

Those GoPros muck around with the depth of field anyway, don't they? So might look further away than they actually were.

[Saarg]

Some who go there may get into the mindset that the road is in 'track mode' and believe it is closed to two way traffic.

Mount panorama is only open 3 weeks a year, would be silly to think the Is. Of Mann is a racetrack, .... but some people...


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[nzspokes]

Mount panorama is only open 3 weeks a year, would be silly to think the is. Of Mann is a racetrack, .... but some people...


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I had thought Bathurst was open all the time, mates have ridden round there at all times. In saying that when the race is not on it is a farming community and you are likely to come across tractors and the like. And a cop is pretty much on patrol around there full time. Thats what I have heard anyway.

[caseye]

I had thought Bathurst was open all the time, mates have ridden round there at all times. In saying that when the race is not on it is a farming community and you are likely to come across tractors and the like. And a cop is pretty much on patrol around there full time. Thats what I have heard anyway.

Yep more right than wrong. For at leat 3 weeks in a year Mt Panorama is closed to 2 way traffic. For the week of The Bathurst 1000 it is closed except for race cars and service vehicles, at night it is open to one way for taxi's buses and locals to do their thing.
I do know that the road/track is reopened on the following Monday morning though again only for one way traffic until all signs of racing have ben removed, then the road goes back to a rural communities access road and can be driven ridden 24/7.
6 ana bit weeks an I'll be on top of the Mountain sitting by me eskie wiv a few tinnies cooling down watching the fantastic sunsets and talking BS with me Ozzie mates form all around our camp site, friends and neighbours for the last 20 odd years.

[Hads]

This crash is inevitable on the Christchurch to Akaroa road, in 3 months I have seen 3 drivers deciding the centre line was more of an optional guide and driving on the right hand side before blind corners when not overtaking is fine. And they weren't tourists, 2 builders and 1 sufer. Not to mention the crazyness of Sunday motorcyclists popping wheelies whilst overtaking right up to a blind corner...

So a bit of advice to those travelling those roads, keep away from the centre line before blind corners, in case you come across one of those idiots.

[nzspokes]

On the Christchurch to Akaroa road a big danger is being hit by a motorcyclist overtaking under pressure to keep up. Last weekend I was overtaken by the lead rider in a group and there were 2 bikes following that I could see in my rear view mirror. When the first rider of the 2 overtook me he almost had a head on with his mate allowing a safer gap before overtaking. I was in a line of traffic at the time so was not going too slow for all those on here who think my coments on this issue are nonsense.
That whole post makes no sense. Retard.

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[Maha]

That whole post makes no sense. Retard.

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He was riding in line of traffic and a group of bikes were overtaking dangerously in cassina's opinion. What part did you fail to understand?

[Big Dog]

He was riding in line of traffic and a group of bikes were overtaking dangerously in cassina's opinion. What part did you fail to understand?



On the Christchurch to Akaroa road a big danger is being hit by a motorcyclist overtaking under pressure to keep up. Last weekend I was overtaken by the lead rider in a group and there were 2 bikes following that I could see in my rear view mirror. When the first rider of the 2 overtook me he almost had a head on with his mate allowing a safer gap before overtaking. I was in a line of traffic at the time so was not going too slow for all those on here who think my coments on this issue are nonsense.
Probably the part where 2 people going in the same direction at the same time +/- a few seconds nearly had a head on with other?


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[Maha]

Probably the part where 2 people going in the same direction at the same time +/- a few seconds nearly had a head on with other?


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Thank goodness, so not the whole post then....I guess it is just easier to generalise.

[Big Dog]

When the first rider of the 2 overtook me he almost had a head on with his mate allowing a safer gap before overtaking
Would be vastly different to:

When the first rider of the 2 overtook me he almost had a head on, with his mate allowing a safer gap before overtaking

I never said the bikes almost had a head on with each other but it was with a vehicle going the other way that the first rider almost hit. I would have thought all those reading my post would have been bright enough to work that out.
There is nothing wrong with my reading and comprehension skills.
There was a lack clarity in the writing.

I expected you would be intelligent enough to understand the difference.

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[nzspokes]

Would be vastly different to:


There is nothing wrong with my reading and comprehension skills.
There was a lack clarity in the writing.

I expected you would be intelligent enough to understand the difference.

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Yerp. Retards.

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[Maha]

Would be vastly different to:


There is nothing wrong with my reading and comprehension skills.
There was a lack clarity in the writing.

I expected you would be intelligent enough to understand the difference.

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So it's just a case of more punctuation needed to clarify the intended meaning of a statement summary or a sentence or indifference for those who can't read a statement summary or a sentence or indifference without taking a breath and not mentally grasping what is actually being stated or summerised within a given sentence? :rolleyes:

Well fuck me!...Idoits! :shifty:

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[Ulsterkiwi]

so anyway.......

the lesson here is surely that riding on a two way public road is not the same as on a racetrack? It actually doesn't matter if you are riding in a group or not, dick moves like this will end badly.
Things go wrong when people make bad decisions, lots of those are made by drivers and riders on their ownsome. I do not know the numbers but thinking about accidents I can remember reading about there are just as many, if not many more riders killed or seriously hurt when they are the only motorcycle on the road at the time.

[Big Dog]

So it's just a case of more punctuation needed to clarify the intended meaning of a statement summary or a sentence or indifference for those who can't read a statement summary or a sentence or indifference without taking a breath and not mentally grasping what is actually being stated or summerised within a given sentence? :rolleyes:

Well fuck me!...Idoits! :shifty:

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I am not a grammar hammer but I do find some people's posts need to either ignored or translated. Maybe those people just feel too much pressure to keep up with the posting to properly form a sentence?

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[caseye]

Maha, for the love of God, stop encouraging the fucking retard, it knows not of what it is saying and in the past it's advice to young riders has been donwright bloody dangerous.
Is it any surprise that no one can understand what it is saying when it can quote itself differently in the same bloody sentence.

[caspernz]

Oh the futility of continued attempts at discussion with cassina, bit like taking a fish to be measured for a suit isn't it?

[mossy1200]

Oh the futility of continued attempts at discussion with cassina, bit like taking a fish to be measured for a suit isn't it?

Yum Beer Batter Suit?

[caspernz]

Yum Beer Batter Suit?

The IQ is doubled that way...

[SVboy]

On the Christchurch to Akaroa road a big danger is being hit by a sad Scooter rider called Cassina. Last weekend I was overtaken by the lead rider in a group and there were 2 bikes following that I could see in my rear view mirror. When the first rider of the 2 overtook me he almost had a head on because he was laughing so hard at me being under pressure to keep up, with his mate allowing a safer gap before overtaking, and laughing even harder.I was holding up a line of traffic at the time so was going too slow. All those on here know my comments on this issue are nonsense.

Edited to reflect the truth.

[SVboy]

So were you the one who almost had the head on during the overtake?

Heavens no! I have good spatial awareness when overtaking fuckwits like you, with a carefully planned escape route, for when you do something dangerous and unpredictable, in your efforts to keep it up.

[WristTwister]

OMG that doesn't look like a crash they walked away from. I feel for the poor person coming the other way:weep:

[SVboy]

The danger of arguing with an idiot like Cassina is they will drag you down to their level then beat you with experience. I better bow out before I am under pressure to keep up..........

[PrincessBandit]

So it's just a case of more punctuation needed to clarify the intended meaning of a statement summary or a sentence ...



Does tend to help. Case in point - compare "let's eat Grandma" and "let's eat, Grandma". One assumes that most people would understand that granny isn't about to be cannibalised, but I'm sure she would appreciate the clarification!

[Maha]

Does tend to help. Case in point - compare "let's eat Grandma" and "let's eat, Grandma". One assumes that most people would understand that granny isn't about to be cannibalised, but I'm sure she would appreciate the clarification!

I am just going to help Uncle Jack off the horse... I am just going to help Uncle Jack, off the horse.

[PrincessBandit]

I am just going to help Uncle Jack off the horse... I am just going to help Uncle Jack, off the horse.

I think all that would be required in that particular sentence would be the use, or not, of a capital J...

[swbarnett]

I think all that would be required in that particular sentence would be the use, or not, of a capital J...
Or the addition of a "-" between jack and off.

[Banditbandit]

I am just going to help Uncle Jack off the horse... I am just going to help Uncle Jack, off the horse.

http://www.selectbreeders.com/system/attachments/1583/original/Squires%20-%20Collection%20-%20edited.jpg?1393901420

[Maha]

Madness and Waxoff look older and more intense than I first thought.

[Madness]

I thought.

I call bullshit.

[caseye]

I call bullshit.

Nooooo, that'd be Stallion by the Gallion!