Sick of being ripped off

[cadium]

Why is it that we are so bloody ripped off in New Zealand.
There's the usual tripe about shipping cost to NZ and GST but in truth it goes a lot further than that.

Take the new Honda Africa Twin DCT.

in the USA it is NZ$18500
in the UK (with 20% VAT!) it is NZ$20400
in Australia (basically the same shipping costs as NZ, 10%GST) it is NZ$18873. If you take the austrlia price and add 5% extra GST you get NZ$ 19533!

in New Zealand $23999 +ON ROADS. However you look at it the is more than $4000 too expensive and for what? Nothing but greedy profiteering.

[pritch]

Why is it that we are so bloody ripped off in New Zealand.
There's the usual tripe about shipping cost to NZ and GST but in truth it goes a lot further than that.

Take the new Honda Africa Twin DCT.

in the USA it is NZ$18500
in the UK (with 20% VAT!) it is NZ$20400
in Australia (basically the same shipping costs as NZ, 10%GST) it is NZ$18873. If you take the austrlia price and add 5% extra GST you get NZ$ 19533!

in New Zealand $23999 +ON ROADS. However you look at it the is more than $4000 too expensive and for what? Nothing but greedy profiteering.

I can answer all that in just two words. "Blue Wing".

[EJK]

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[Banditbandit]

The extra $4,000+ is a Pink Tax.

[jasonu]

Mate, being ripped off in NZ doesn't end with motorbikes. The whole country is one big fucking rip-off.

[Maha]

Mate, being ripped off in NZ doesn't end with motorbikes. The whole country is one big fucking rip-off.

Not true Pak n Save leg of lamb $10.99kg is good buying.

[cadium]

Mate, being ripped off in NZ doesn't end with motorbikes. The whole country is one big fucking rip-off.

Yeah I know, low wages and extremely high prices. Piss poor food quality at astronomical prices (I ate like in king in the UK and Europe for a fraction of the price) .
But that $4000 really rankles! (and no I'm not buying one). What's the bloody reason for it?

if it really is just Blue Wing then they really need to go! I image the margin for most importers of motorcycles is somewhere around 5-% ($1000 max on 20000?). Blue wing would be making (opinion only) 5x that? If we all stop buying hondas for a while they will go away pretty rapidly (not going to happen I know).

[EJK]

Not true Pak n Save leg of lamb $10.99kg is good buying.

And the Warehouse, where everybody gets a bargain.

[nerrrd]

Mate, being ripped off in NZ doesn't end with motorbikes. The whole country is one big fucking rip-off.

This. Like it or not we're a backwater with a tiny population, with expectations far beyond our real economy's ability to deliver. Business tends towards monopolies, duopolies etc where it can, as the best way to compete is to have no competition or as little as possible.

But in a backwater like ours this may well be the only way to stay in business with an 'acceptable' level of return. So I don't blame Blue Wing too much, in a way you're lucky the DCT is available at all in NZ – it's not on other models (like my bike) despite it being available for years overseas. Maybe the premium is to cover the cost of training the Honda service people in maintaining a DCT transmission, given very few are likely to be sold here.

[pritch]

But that $4000 really rankles! (and no I'm not buying one). What's the bloody reason for it?



There have been similar conversations on KB previously. Blue Wing almost always price new models too high. After some months, or perhaps a year, they drop the price a few thousand which pisses off everybody who already bought one. (There are threads here about that too.) It's a totally witless business model, but they persist. I get the impression they are really only interested in selling farm bikes.

I hate "Australasian agents" they are usually based in Sydney and the couldn't care less about New Zealand. Sometimes they don't even bother to answer enquiries. For Blue Wing I'd make an exception, if they went bung and we got an Australasian agent it would almost have to be an improvement.

[jasonu]

Yeah I know, low wages

The hourly rate for what I do is around $5 per hour more in NZ than what I get here but I am still way better off when considering day to day stuff like milk, butter and beer.
Big ticket items, waaaaay more affordable here.

[Old Steve]

You're buying the wrong brand of bike!

Suzuki Boulevard M50/Intruder M800

NZ NZ$ 11.995
US US$ 8559 NZ$ 11,743
Australia A$ 10,990 NZ$ 11,496
GB UKP 6,990 NZ$ 12,592

That's a spread of about NZ$ 800, and NZ is right in the middle. Australia is 10% GST, so their corrected 15% GST figure would be NZ$ 12,018

:niceone: Suzuki NZ !

[Moi]

Yeah I know, low wages and extremely high prices. Piss poor food quality at astronomical prices (I ate like in king in the UK and Europe for a fraction of the price)...

Statements like this always raise two questions in my mind:

1. How long have you been here?

2. Why did you move here?

Must start taking my anti-cynic pills again...

[pritch]

:niceone: Suzuki NZ !

Well that's going a bit far, :whistle: but the rest of your information is good and actually isolates the problem.

I did an exercise when a new Honda model was announced overseas, I compared the price of similar capacity bikes. When the bikes were on their way a dealer phoned and asked if I would pay $14,000 for one. I said no, it was a $12,000 bike. He wasn't happy, but he got progressively unhappier as over the ensuing months I kept asking when they were going to drop the price. He said they wouldn't, but they did - to $12,000.

[cadium]

Statements like this always raise two questions in my mind:

1. How long have you been here? 41 years, you?

2. Why did you move here? My parents brought me to NZ. I ate like a king when on HOLIDAY in the UK/ Europe.

Must start taking my anti-cynic pills again...

Yep, better double up on the pills. I have lived here longer than half the population and I didn't move to NZ out of personal choice. My personal opinion in New Zealand has great scenery and nature (somewhat spoiled in recent years by dairy farming), extremely poor consumer prices, atrocious education, high taxes and an economy sliding into overall poverty. I have watched as owning a family home has gone from being possible with one wage earner, to two wage earners, to not possible on two full time wages. I see the commerce commission not prevent monopolies and duopolies but actively allow them. Every year companies want more profit while supplying the same quantity of goods (or less), all the while making sure their employees don't get more than a 2% pay rise. And after all the money has been tapped out of the buying public then what? We stop buying insurance, stop buying meat and dairy because it is just too expensive. And so greed leads to economic collapse. It is already happening.

[jasonu]

Yep, better double up on the pills. I have lived here longer than half the population and I didn't move to NZ out of personal choice. My personal opinion in New Zealand has great scenery and nature (somewhat spoiled in recent years by dairy farming), extremely poor consumer prices, atrocious education, high taxes and an economy sliding into overall poverty. I have watched as owning a family home has gone from being possible with one wage earner, to two wage earners, to not possible on two full time wages. I see the commerce commission not prevent monopolies and duopolies but actively allow them. Every year companies want more profit while supplying the same quantity of goods (or less), all the while making sure their employees don't get more than a 2% pay rise. And after all the money has been tapped out of the buying public then what? We stop buying insurance, stop buying meat and dairy because it is just too expensive. And so greed leads to economic collapse. It is already happening.

The best thing I ever did was to get the hell out of NZ.

[Scubbo]

You're buying the wrong brand of bike!

Suzuki Boulevard M50/Intruder M800

NZ NZ$ 11.995
US US$ 8559 NZ$ 11,743
Australia A$ 10,990 NZ$ 11,496
GB UKP 6,990 NZ$ 12,592

That's a spread of about NZ$ 800, and NZ is right in the middle. Australia is 10% GST, so their corrected 15% GST figure would be NZ$ 12,018

:niceone: Suzuki NZ !


THIS! always loved suzuki's because of their price / support in NZ !

[EJK]

Only in 'Murica.

[Banditbandit]

The best thing I ever did was to get the hell out of NZ.

:rofl: Some of us might agree with you ...

[Old Steve]

Wow, that's NZ$

[Katman]

Yep, better double up on the pills. I have lived here longer than half the population and I didn't move to NZ out of personal choice. My personal opinion in New Zealand has great scenery and nature (somewhat spoiled in recent years by dairy farming), extremely poor consumer prices, atrocious education, high taxes and an economy sliding into overall poverty. I have watched as owning a family home has gone from being possible with one wage earner, to two wage earners, to not possible on two full time wages. I see the commerce commission not prevent monopolies and duopolies but actively allow them. Every year companies want more profit while supplying the same quantity of goods (or less), all the while making sure their employees don't get more than a 2% pay rise. And after all the money has been tapped out of the buying public then what? We stop buying insurance, stop buying meat and dairy because it is just too expensive. And so greed leads to economic collapse. It is already happening.

I don't think what you've just described is solely a New Zealand problem.

[Maha]

If the retail price of any product bothers you that much perhaps you should be looking to buy a similar product that does not.

''New Zealand has great scenery and nature'' yip and it's all free.

''owning a family home has gone from being possible with one wage earner, to two wage earners, to not possible on two full time wages''
We once owned a 300+ sq mt home, it suited us for a time while the kids were at home. Then it was just the two of us, we were working to pay the man, looking back I don't know how we managed but we did. We decided to sell up and improve our shit. Being debt free was the biggest improvement. A solution is very easy.

[Voltaire]

I want the new Thruxton but its NZ $25,000 here and only NZ $19,844 in the US.:mad:

[Moi]

Yep, better double up on the pills. I have lived here longer than half the population and I didn't move to NZ out of personal choice...

So what does this mean? - you're over 50 years old and you came here as a child with your family?

[Mike.Gayner]

The best thing I ever did was to get the hell out of NZ.

And yet you won't fuck off.

[jasonu]

:rofl: Some of us might agree with you ...

Probably more than some...


And yet you won't fuck off.

...Like this cunt.

[TLDV8]

Take the new Honda Africa Twin DCT.


in Australia (basically the same shipping costs as NZ, 10%GST) it is NZ$18873. If you take the austrlia price and add 5% extra GST you get NZ$ 19533!

in New Zealand $23999 +ON ROADS. However you look at it the is more than $4000 too expensive and for what? Nothing but greedy profiteering.

I would like to know where you can get a new Africa Twin here for that amount.
The ride away cost was around AU$19400 for the DCT. the base model was $15000 ++
If that is the right price that will certainly help the decision to order a 2017 model.

Edit
Here is a post a made in April.
I can't find the new price calculator based on postcode to see if the prices have gone down.


It was a surprise to see they look to be cheaper here in Australia, will try and get a test ride on a DCT model.
Have watched plenty of 'You Tube video's and it looks to be a bike perfect for the outback, dirt road or tar seal.
AU$19440 ride away here including the high on road costs.

$16875 - Base.
$18410 - ABS.
$19440 - DCT - ABS

[cadium]

I would like to know where you can get a new Africa Twin here for that amount.
The ride away cost was around AU$19400 for the DCT. the base model was $15000 ++
If that is the right price that will certainly help the decision to order a 2017 model.

Edit
Here is a post a made in April.
I can't find the new price calculator based on postcode to see if the prices have gone down.

http://motorcycles.honda.com.au/Latest_News/20150820/Honda_Africa_Twin_details_and_pricing_now_availabl e
$17999 australian for the DCT

[TLDV8]

http://motorcycles.honda.com.au/Latest_News/20150820/Honda_Africa_Twin_details_and_pricing_now_availabl e
$17999 australian for the DCT

That is the base cost, you need to add stamp duty, registration and a host of other costs.
The $17999 becomes $19440 in NSW, a few hundred less in some other states.
It is still a little cheaper than New Zealand as said before.

Not forgetting if you sell that DCT the new owner each time will pay 4% of the sale value in stamp duty.
I don't think NZ has stamp duty and hope it never does.

[skippa1]

Yeah I know, low wages and extremely high prices. Piss poor food quality at astronomical prices (I ate like in king in the UK and Europe for a fraction of the price)
Doesnt sound like you have any reason to stay here so why dont you fuck off and leave all that "piss poor food quality" to us that appreciate the best food in the world.

fuckin whining cunt

[jasonu]

Doesnt sound like you have any reason to stay here so why dont you fuck off and leave all that "piss poor food quality" to us that appreciate the best food in the world.

fuckin whining cunt

Best food in the world...That's a good one:


except for snapper that is.

and pies from BP

[mossy1200]

There have been similar conversations on KB previously. Blue Wing almost always price new models too high. After some months, or perhaps a year, they drop the price a few thousand which pisses off everybody who already bought one. (There are threads here about that too.) It's a totally witless business model, but they persist. I get the impression they are really only interested in selling farm bikes.

I hate "Australasian agents" they are usually based in Sydney and the couldn't care less about New Zealand. Sometimes they don't even bother to answer enquiries. For Blue Wing I'd make an exception, if they went bung and we got an Australasian agent it would almost have to be an improvement.

I paid $28500 for a SP1 and 6months later they were $19995.
Never buying a new Honda again.
Possibly had 8 new bikes since then though.

[BuzzardNZ]

Yeah I know, low wages and extremely high prices. Piss poor food quality at astronomical prices (I ate like in king in the UK and Europe for a fraction of the price) .


Why don't you fuck off back there then!

[skippa1]

Best food in the world...That's a good one:


except for snapper that is.

and pies from BP
True story
nz beef and lamb
nz scallops
bluff oysters
crayfish
west coast whitebait
central otago cherries and apricots
nelson berries
pavalova
paua
stewart island blue cod
........

[Moi]

So what does this mean? - you're over 50 years old and you came here as a child with your family?

Didn't notice your responses at the end of my questions...

Originally Posted by Moi - see earlier post
Statements like this always raise two questions in my mind:

1. How long have you been here? 41 years, you? - I was born here over 60 years ago...

2. Why did you move here? My parents brought me to NZ. I ate like a king when on HOLIDAY in the UK/ Europe.
On "HOLIDAY" in the UK/Europe is a little different to "LIVING" in the UK/Europe...

Must start taking my anti-cynic pills again...

[Moi]

True story
nz beef and lamb
nz scallops
bluff oysters
crayfish
west coast whitebait
central otago cherries and apricots
nelson berries
pavalova
paua
stewart island blue cod
........

plus Vogel's
Whittaker's
flounder

[Big Dog]

Within the last 3 years I bought a house on a single income with dependents.
It may not be in the condition in want or where I want but nothing valuable comes without sacrifice.

True, I can't afford to live in the same city I work... but given time and diligence that will change.

Most of the can't be dunning I hear is from those who won't (not can't) give up their second latté for the day and have to have the latest toys.

The best advice I have ever had was: the time to own a nice car is when you could upgrade your house without sacrifice.

Sent from Tapatalk. DYAC

[jim.cox]

and pies from BP

Jimmy's Mince and Cheese for the win :)

[Ocean1]

Yep, better double up on the pills. I have lived here longer than half the population and I didn't move to NZ out of personal choice. My personal opinion in New Zealand has great scenery and nature (somewhat spoiled in recent years by dairy farming), extremely poor consumer prices, atrocious education, high taxes and an economy sliding into overall poverty. I have watched as owning a family home has gone from being possible with one wage earner, to two wage earners, to not possible on two full time wages. I see the commerce commission not prevent monopolies and duopolies but actively allow them. Every year companies want more profit while supplying the same quantity of goods (or less), all the while making sure their employees don't get more than a 2% pay rise. And after all the money has been tapped out of the buying public then what? We stop buying insurance, stop buying meat and dairy because it is just too expensive. And so greed leads to economic collapse. It is already happening.

And yet.... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/22/new-zealand-the-tonic-for-brits-seeking-to-escape-brexit-blues

“a rugby team that actually plays rugby” and “affordable houses and no traffic”

Maybe you should go live there again, to recalibrate your runaway expectations.



Oh, but yes, bike prices are a rip-off, and in the absence of visible culprits I'm blaming the distributors. Why not take advantage? Set up a barely-second-hand bike import business, looks to be a few doing all right out of it.

[Ocean1]

I paid $28500 for a SP1 and 6months later they were $19995.
Never buying a new Honda again.
Possibly had 8 new bikes since then though.

Now why, for the love of god don't you, (and all of the other like-minded souls) fire off a wee missive to Honda Inc pointing out exactly that?

Complaining don't come naturally to most Kiwis, but there's a time and place...

[mossy1200]

Now why, for the love of god don't you, (and all of the other like-minded souls) fire off a wee missive to Honda Inc pointing out exactly that?

Complaining don't come naturally to most Kiwis, but there's a time and place...

Yep sent Blue Wing the story of my disappointing financial position and requested a partial refund. Even included photos of it in custom Castrol Edwards paint job with added bling.
Got a letter back complementing me on how nice my bike looked and to enjoy riding it.

[russd7]

True story
nz beef and lamb
nz scallops
bluff oysters
crayfish
west coast whitebait
central otago cherries and apricots
nelson berries
pavalova
paua
stewart island blue cod
........

what the fuck ya still doin in the naki then, most the best stuff is down here. i learnt that way back in the eighties :nya:

[russd7]

Jimmy's Mince and Cheese for the win :)

mmmm but a jimmies mutton pie at the factory in roxborough is bloody awesome as well

[skippa1]

what the fuck ya still doin in the naki then, most the best stuff is down here. i learnt that way back in the eighties :nya:
Like the produce, dont want to live there. Got family there, Chathams too, can get what I want when I want

[OddDuck]

Agree that NZ's got a big problem with rip off pricing and low wages for ordinary people. It's also got a problem where a lot of employers can't get staff for basic jobs. Housing market's completely out of control. We've also got a corporate culture of churning managers - they only stay in one place for a few years, make changes, pad out their CV's, leave dysfunction behind. Our economy naturally moves to monopolies or stable duopolies which then extort the market for every buck they can get.

We've been mismanaged politically for a long time.

Unfortunately Kiwi's just love to fight each other, but we're pretty bad at supporting each other... anyone proposing change had better be prepared to fight all comers, and be prepared to do it alone.

That said, I've got a few ideas:

Ban exclusive supply contracts. I'm sure that the big boys in the food and groceries trades are using these to make startup competition impossible... how can you run an alternative supermarket chain if nobody is allowed to supply you?

Limit company premises geographically. There's a head office, then there's a radius around them (say 100 - 500 km's). Outside that radius, they can't own, lease, rent, whatever... Goods can be sold outside radius of course. The idea here is to have a measureable, enforceable limit to monopolies.

No company can own another company. If they do buy one, assets transfer to the purchaser name, branding has to change to the purchaser's. Geographic limit still applies, assets outside the radius simply can't be bought in the first place.

Place a time limit on how quickly shares / derivatives / bonds etc can be sold after purchase... and make illegal the practise of selling short, ie selling it before you actually own it.

Have a good long look at the Universal Basic Income idea... and dump the dole. Keep sickness benefits. UBI to cover basic clothing, food, rent, always comes in no matter what, doesn't have a stand down period if you walk off a shit job, doesn't get clipped or reduced if you get a starter job, lets people move off the dole mentality into a more and better work means a better life mentality.

Overseas (non-citizen, non-resident) property buyers allowed to build brand new homes only (like Australia).

Tax vacant properties. Not sure how detected and enforced or how much, but land banking has got to stop.

Link immigration allowed to housing availability.

Require a minimum period of time working in a company before being allowed to enter a managerial role.

Introduce a Tobin tax: a percentage on every purely financial transaction, ie taking out a loan, purchasing investments... anything where it's money buying money.

Reduce GST. Better: eliminate it.

Right, got a few things to do, have to move on... Interested to hear what people think.

[AllanB]

Moaning bastards - you are all happy to buy those bikes when they are discounted! What about slutty old Suzuki and it's yearly Summerfest?

Mate got a huge discount off a BMW - happy man.

So if the ride you want is discounted tomorrow you'll stand up and proudly proclaim "no sir, I will not devalue the price of previous purchasers machines, I will not - I will pay top dollar sir" :tugger:


Best Country in the world - proved over the past 6 years of global economic downturn where much larger countries are going broke. Aussie is now heading downward with the plummeting cost of ore, Greece is fucked. Ireland has been fucked for years. England is trying to go alone (this will be interesting), anyone for the Middle East?

Indeed now the media is bitching about to many people wanting to come to NZ to live (must be the shit food) - ironic as I remember them bitching about to many leaving some years back ....

[Laava]

Always cracks me up listening to the doomsayers predicting the imminent demise of this country or that. Everything goes in cycles, of rises and falls, not always predictable and never as bad as people make out. You have no choice but to roll with it. I am including the weather in that as well.
There are a lot of countries in this world that would suck to live in compared to NZ. I have been to plenty of them.
And, yeah, buy a Suzuki

[Ocean1]

Yep sent Blue Wing the story of my disappointing financial position and requested a partial refund. Even included photos of it in custom Castrol Edwards paint job with added bling.
Got a letter back complementing me on how nice my bike looked and to enjoy riding it.

:laugh: Good onya. Still reckon that with enough negative press they'd come around.

There's some serious discrepancies in pricing with BMW too, check out US prices for a GS1200R.

[Ocean1]

Agree that NZ's got a big problem with rip off pricing and low wages for ordinary people. It's also got a problem where a lot of employers can't get staff for basic jobs. Housing market's completely out of control. We've also got a corporate culture of churning managers - they only stay in one place for a few years, make changes, pad out their CV's, leave dysfunction behind. Our economy naturally moves to monopolies or stable duopolies which then extort the market for every buck they can get.

We've been mismanaged politically for a long time.

Unfortunately Kiwi's just love to fight each other, but we're pretty bad at supporting each other... anyone proposing change had better be prepared to fight all comers, and be prepared to do it alone.

That said, I've got a few ideas:

Ban exclusive supply contracts. I'm sure that the big boys in the food and groceries trades are using these to make startup competition impossible... how can you run an alternative supermarket chain if nobody is allowed to supply you?

Limit company premises geographically. There's a head office, then there's a radius around them (say 100 - 500 km's). Outside that radius, they can't own, lease, rent, whatever... Goods can be sold outside radius of course. The idea here is to have a measureable, enforceable limit to monopolies.

No company can own another company. If they do buy one, assets transfer to the purchaser name, branding has to change to the purchaser's. Geographic limit still applies, assets outside the radius simply can't be bought in the first place.

Place a time limit on how quickly shares / derivatives / bonds etc can be sold after purchase... and make illegal the practise of selling short, ie selling it before you actually own it.

Have a good long look at the Universal Basic Income idea... and dump the dole. Keep sickness benefits. UBI to cover basic clothing, food, rent, always comes in no matter what, doesn't have a stand down period if you walk off a shit job, doesn't get clipped or reduced if you get a starter job, lets people move off the dole mentality into a more and better work means a better life mentality.

Overseas (non-citizen, non-resident) property buyers allowed to build brand new homes only (like Australia).

Tax vacant properties. Not sure how detected and enforced or how much, but land banking has got to stop.

Link immigration allowed to housing availability.

Require a minimum period of time working in a company before being allowed to enter a managerial role.

Introduce a Tobin tax: a percentage on every purely financial transaction, ie taking out a loan, purchasing investments... anything where it's money buying money.

Reduce GST. Better: eliminate it.

Right, got a few things to do, have to move on... Interested to hear what people think.

:laugh: I like some of 'em.

I like the general idea, but they've got to be viable insomuch as they need to generate more revenue overall than they cost to run/manage. And they need to represent a negative feedback control process, in other words the behaviour you're encouraging needs to be sustainable in it's own right.

And yes, I also don't like seeing the Commerce Commission upholding Winston Wallboards complaint, (for example) that a local builder was "dumping" Gib into the Ak building market when all they were doing was perfectly legitimately importing it from a competitor, for their own use) at about half Winston's price. Which, by the way is 40% dearer in Ak than the same NZ product sold by them in Perth. As you say, give that their primary function is, (or should be) to supress anti-competitive behaviour it's a fucking disgrace.

[mossy1200]

GS1200R.

Took my workmate in for a look at lams bikes and man that GS1200R has the widest petrol tank I have ever seen.

[AllanB]

It's a utterly pointless exercise comparing the price of bike X with offshore pricing.

If you are interested in a bike like the Honda African Twin check the price against comparable 'adventure' bikes within NZ - Triumph, BMW, Suzuki, Aprilia, MotoGuzzu, Ducati, Kawasaki. Then see how it stacks up.

A TM check finds Ducatis and BMW's in the low 30's, Triumph is low 20's, Suzuki $19, Honda starting at a dollar under $20k

Looks like it is well priced within the market it is selling in.

[Ocean1]

Took my workmate in for a look at lams bikes and man that GS1200R has the widest petrol tank I have ever seen.

Aye, about 700k's worth. You can certainly feel the difference when you full up, and I've used the Bro's one as the fleet tanker before now.

[Ocean1]

It's a utterly pointless exercise comparing the price of bike X with offshore pricing.

Unless you're attempting to discover which local distributor is punching the ticket the most.

And let's face it, the price the rest of the world pays for a given bike is almost certainly a better measure of it's value than whatever the price is here, and who wants to pay more for a bike than it's worth?

[AllanB]

Unless you're attempting to discover which local distributor is punching the ticket the most.

And let's face it, the price the rest of the world pays for a given bike is almost certainly a better measure of it's value than whatever the price is here, and who wants to pay more for a bike than it's worth?


Unless you intend to import your own the price here is the price here. If the buying public do not believe it is a fair value it will sit on the show room floor. We have all seen them from all brands - then sold at a most agreeable price. Blue Wing unfortunately appear to have a bit of a history of this.

Shop around NZ - small country, dealers are competitive, you can save thousands.

[Ocean1]

Unless you intend to import your own the price here is the price here. If the buying public do not believe it is a fair value it will sit on the show room floor. We have all seen them from all brands - then sold at a most agreeable price. Blue Wing unfortunately appear to have a bit of a history of this.

Shop around NZ - small country, dealers are competitive, you can save thousands.

Correct. But the distributorship infers a monopoly for local markets, and monopolies are extremely unproductive.

So whereas Blue Wing lose sales because their pricing isn't competitive, they're obviously happy that the extra profit on sales they do make cover their costs. The loser in that equation is the potential end user: they're deprived of the option of a reasonably priced Honda.

So again, how do we know their prices are artificially inflated? We check what off shore distributors are charging.

[AllanB]

Offshore charging would be relevant as a check if we knew the factory had set up a globally equal retail model - a model that meant retail prices were say income or exchange rate driven so the purchasers national buying power was relatively equal country to country.

Now maybe they do and you are correct but I bet it is not the case, and a USA dealer who will order 30 African Twins will get a better price than a NZ dealer who orders 3.

Years back when Kawasaki had quite a hit on the BR250 it did not sell well in NZ. A local dealer commented on this when in Japan and the factory was very surprised - until they found out the RRP being set in NZ. It was higher than recommended by the factory, way high compared to the NZ market. The NZ importer had decided it was such a good bike it should have a premium price attached and sold it to the dealers in such a manner.

USA forums often talk of Harley tax.


Are we getting ripped off? Are we surrounded by rich motorcycle dealers?

It was only five years ago on KB we were shitting our selves over the number of NZ motorcycle shops shutting down. Heck another in Christchurch is closing doors. Can't be due to making to much money ripping buyers off.

[jasonu]

True story
nz beef and lamb
nz scallops
bluff oysters
crayfish
west coast whitebait
central otago cherries and apricots
nelson berries
pavalova
paua
stewart island blue cod
........

All good stuff. Best in the world???
Have you actually spent any time out of NZ?
(and a weekend in Sydney doesn't count).

[Ocean1]

Offshore charging would be relevant as a check if we knew the factory had set up a globally equal retail model - a model that meant retail prices were say income or exchange rate driven so the purchasers national buying power was relatively equal country to country.

Now maybe they do and you are correct but I bet it is not the case, and a USA dealer who will order 30 African Twins will get a better price than a NZ dealer who orders 3.

Years back when Kawasaki had quite a hit on the BR250 it did not sell well in NZ. A local dealer commented on this when in Japan and the factory was very surprised - until they found out the RRP being set in NZ. It was higher than recommended by the factory, way high compared to the NZ market. The NZ importer had decided it was such a good bike it should have a premium price attached and sold it to the dealers in such a manner.

USA forums often talk of Harley tax.


Are we getting ripped off? Are we surrounded by rich motorcycle dealers?

It was only five years ago on KB we were shitting our selves over the number of NZ motorcycle shops shutting down. Heck another in Christchurch is closing doors. Can't be due to making to much money ripping buyers off.

You're almost certainly right, the international distributor will set prices based on factors other than the cost of manufacture, including their assessment of what the local market will pay. But does it matter which part of the supply chain is responsible? The fact remains that in many cases we pay a premium for the same product being sold elsewhere at a discount, funded in part by profits from sales here.

It's the sort of market manipulation that's responsible for the significantly higher cost of living here compared to overseas and gives international corporations a bad name for a good reason. Selling shit for the same, reasonable profit everywhere doesn't make as much as profiling individual markets, but it's honest, respectable and ultimately fair behaviour.

[skippa1]

All good stuff. Best in the world???
Have you actually spent any time out of NZ?
(and a weekend in Sydney doesn't count).

Sure have and for what its worth the food in Australia is shit as far as I am concerned. Travelled extensively and stand by my statement.....

[Ocean1]

All good stuff. Best in the world???
Have you actually spent any time out of NZ?
(and a weekend in Sydney doesn't count).

Either way he'll find the above often cost less off shore than it does here.

The complete opposite to what we find with imported shit.

It's a double hit our economy could do without.

[jellywrestler]

Why is it that we are so bloody ripped off in New Zealand.
.

out of curiosity what do you do for a living?

[Katman]

But does it matter which part of the supply chain is responsible?

It does when the customer points the finger at the dealer rather than the distributor.

[Black Knight]

About 18 months ago I got a hard on over the new Honda CB1300-$18500 in NZ at the time-A mate in Oz bought one for A$10500 on the road-I could have got one from the same source in a box, on the wharf for $9500-Add shipping and gst and it was still $5K under the NZ price.

[pritch]

Either way he'll find the above often cost less off shore than it does here.

The complete opposite to what we find with imported shit.

It's a double hit our economy could do without.

Getting off topic a bit but years ago somebody checked around and found that supermarket food items here were expensive. The only two examples I recall were a lettuce in Los Angeles was waaay cheaper than it was here and milk in London was a fraction of the price it is here. Those examples stuck in my memory 'cause they are difficlult to understand.

Getting back to Blue Wing, they are not owned by Honda as most other national importers are, so they are not part of the Honda "family". For years now though they have only been importing a portion of the range and we have been missing some good bikes. CBRs aside, the models they do import tend to be from India or Thailand or other labour markets.

The NC700 range were designed to be inexpensive and were made in Asia but Blue Wing just priced them in line with other bikes of similar size. The Italian made Honda scooters are considered as good as it gets, but we'll never see them because the usual Blue Wing margins would make them too expensive.

When ABS was an option (before Europe made it compulsory) Blue Wing would not import ABS equipped bikes. Bugger rider safety. Another KBer phoned them about that one though so that's his story.

I have phoned Blue Wing before to enquire as to their logic and have asked staff in person about marketing decisions to no avail.

[jasonu]

Sure have and for what its worth the food in Australia is shit as far as I am concerned. Travelled extensively and stand by my statement.....

Yep Aussie food is not the best.


Either way he'll find the above often cost less off shore than it does here.

The complete opposite to what we find with imported shit.

It's a double hit our economy could do without.

I can get a six pack of steinlager stubbies for $7usd at my local supermarket. I'm not saying it is the best beer but I know that is cheaper than it sells for in NZ.

[Scubbo]

plus Vogel's
Whittaker's
flounder

++ Venison is top notch compared to other countries

[Ocean1]

It does when the customer points the finger at the dealer rather than the distributor.

Easy enough to clear that up: show him the invoice from the distributor.

There's been dozens of threads about this shit and as far as I can make out nobody has yet discovered who's responsible for the price disparities.

Some of it may be import duty, but the one glaring example I checked years ago had NZ import tariffs well less than those in the US.

[Ocean1]

Getting off topic a bit but years ago somebody checked around and found that supermarket food items here were expensive. The only two examples I recall were a lettuce in Los Angeles was waaay cheaper than it was here and milk in London was a fraction of the price it is here. Those examples stuck in my memory 'cause they are difficlult to understand.

Probably even more years ago I found the price of NZ lamb in a London shop was almost twice the cost of the local product, in spite of the fact that the cost landed in the UK was half the price of the local supply.

And people bleat like fuck about free trade agreements.

[Katman]

Easy enough to clear that up: show him the invoice from the distributor.

I imagine if you went into any sort of business in New Zealand and asked to see their cost price on items, you'd be told to mind your own fucking business.

Rightly so too.

[Voltaire]

I've spent about 10 years overseas and can't recall a moment where I missed NZ food...other than Mums Sunday Roast and the odd bag of twisties.
Sure as hell did not miss the then shit beer.
I've never owned a new bike of car as not really into the depreciation, having to deal with the whole trade in cycle and servicing costs.
Happy to ride old shitters and go slow.

[Crasherfromwayback]

All good stuff. Best in the world???
Have you actually spent any time out of NZ?
(and a weekend in Sydney doesn't count).

All of the red meat I ate when in the States was fucking expensive AND shit.

[jasonu]

All of the red meat I ate when in the States was fucking expensive AND shit.

Stupid tourist you did your shopping in the wrong place.

[BuzzardNZ]

All of the red meat I ate when in the States was fucking expensive AND shit.

Never tried a Texas steak then Pete?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Stupid tourist you did your shopping in the wrong place.

Ate at a fair few flash restaurants Bro. None of them served me a steak I'd rate. And the mate I stayed with in San Jose, took me to "THE best butcher", and his was shit too.


Never tried a Texas steak then Pete?

Nup. But I bet it's big!

[jasonu]

Ate at a fair few flash restaurants Bro. None of them served me a steak I'd rate. And the mate I stayed with in San Jose, took me to "THE best butcher", and his was shit too.!

Next time you are over this way stop in and I will burn up a slice of ribeye (eye fillet) on the BBQ. You wont be disappointed.

[Ocean1]

I imagine if you went into any sort of business in New Zealand and asked to see their cost price on items, you'd be told to mind your own fucking business.

Rightly so too.

In which case you can't blame clients for not knowing you're not responsible for them having to pay more for your product, can you?

[Banditbandit]

Jimmy's Mince and Cheese for the win :)

campylobacter in the water ..

[Katman]

In which case you can't blame clients for not knowing you're not responsible for them having to pay more for your product, can you?

Judging by the frequency with which motorcycle businesses seem to be closing do you really think it indicates operating with excessive profit margins?

[Scubbo]

incompetence and relying on sales of wholesale goods to make the profit is probably their reason TBH...

[jellywrestler]

All of the red meat I ate when in the States was fucking expensive AND shit.

at least it was hallal blessed in case you turn that way you haven't sinned in a past life

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yep Aussie food is not the best.



I can get a six pack of steinlager stubbies for $7usd at my local supermarket. I'm not saying it is the best beer but I know that is cheaper than it sells for in NZ.

I get it for $19.00 NZ a doz. So nah, bout the same maybe?

[jonbuoy]

I get it for $19.00 NZ a doz. So nah, bout the same maybe?

I don't know why NZ and AU have got so expensive. I pay $9NZD here for a 12 pack, even in England it's only about $15NZD in the supermarket.

[mossy1200]

i don't know why nz and au have got so expensive. I pay $9nzd here for a 12 pack, even in england it's only about $15nzd in the supermarket.

tax tax tax

[rastuscat]

Just a wee thought on this.

Retailers end up carrying a lot of warranty costs which have to come from somewhere.

I used to work in a bike shop. Kids would come back with a 2 week old bike with the front wheel collapsed saying "I was just riding along". Tripe.

But someone pays for BS warranty claims. We do. In front end prices. And retail margins.

[husaberg]

tax tax tax

I thought the same so had a google, it turns out our tax on alcohol is actually pretty low compared to say the aussies.

[AllanB]

I searched largest US motorcycle dealer just out of interest as recently on a Ducati forum there were pictures of a shop with a huge range of bikes.

Check this shit out - now I'll propose that he stocks more in his shop in a year of brand X (pick your favorite) than the COMBINED NZ dealers sell in a year. So bet your tight arse they get a good price.

Interestingly I checked our my Ducati price - convert it and it's within a grand of NZ's last RRP. OK - I'll come clean NZ's last RRP was discounted $4k off the usual price ....... see we can offer good deals :niceone:


Anyway - interesting reading and perving - check out the Showroom link. Don't bitch to me about his prices!


http://www.bertsmegamall.com/berts-mega-mall-owner-story--info



I want to go to the Euro Centre: Our Ducati & Triumph inventory is huge with not just new but also used bikes. Make sure you visit The Euro Center, it's not just a dealership, it's a destination including a coffee shop & the #1 premium bike team in the world!

[mossy1200]

I thought the same so had a google, it turns out our tax on alcohol is actually pretty low compared to say the aussies.

yeah only 10% likely plus gst and 30% business profit tax on everyone that touched it plus you already paid tax on the money you earnt before buying it so should be about 80% tax all up lol.

yeah I was surprised how low it was only 10%(plus gst) tax but why is duty free so cheap compared to retail now or has it been to long since I had a holiday now?

Last time in Czechoslovakia we paid 5 pounds for a beer in a tourist pub then walked 2 blocks and paid 50p for the same beer in a local pub.

[skippa1]

Never tried a Texas steak then Pete?
I have....it was ok, I wouldnt rate it as the best in the world.....

[MGST]

If you think you are getting ripped off in NZ, come and Live in Perth, Western Australia, THE biggest rip-off on the planet. The exact same car / motorbike costs more here than in the eastern states, petrol changes price DAILY, yada yada yada. What a f**ken joke. The tanker comes as fills up the petrol station, who then sell it for a different price every day of the week. The price varies by up to 20c per litre across the 7 days, yet there is no hint of anyone accusing them on price manipulation or shit like that.

Food costs heaps here, the meat is shit ( cos the cows and sheep only have red dirt to eat ), service anywhere for anything is non existent, the State and Federal Governments, who are coming off the back of an unprecedented 10 year mining boom, have 10 times the debt they did 10 years ago and nothing to show for it.

Over-inflated incomes have led to over-inflated egos and self-importance, a whole generation with a massive sense of self entitlement, a whole generation that has spent it's entire working life in a bubble removed from reality, and that's not only personally, that's the governments too. No one ( personal or Government ) has thought or planned more than 5 minutes ahead, no one ( personal or Government ) has put any money away for a rainy day.

I sit back here laughing at them all. They have no idea what the real world in like, what it's like to work Monday to Friday just to pay the bank, then have to work second and third jobs on the weekends so you can have such luxuries as food and power and running water. This was my life before I came here to have a crack at the mining game. I've more than tripled my income since I've been over here, but I've still lived the same lifestyle as I did at home. I've saved every penny, so I can can come back home and relax a bit and not have to work 3 jobs 7 days a week just to make ends meet. And I've achieved that goal, so you'd have to say it's been worth it financially. But it has cast me a lot personally, I've missed everything for the last 8 years, everything - birthdays, weddings, funerals, events, general life, friends, family, you name it, I've missed it. I think it's fair to say I've been as close to being in prison as possible without actually being in prison. No wonder everyone is heading home now.

All I can say is, I CANNOT WAIT to come back home to Auckland for good, which will be by this Christmas, as soon as I get laid off from the last cash cow resources job before the whole industry dies in the arse and falls off the cliff. They can only blame themselves too, they've priced themselves out of the market, and the Unions have completely fucked it for the workers, exactly like the Unions did in England in the late 70's and 80's. Anyway, fuck the red dirt, fuck the hot weather, fuck the bogans, and generally, just fuck Australia. First thing I do when I get home will be to put my passport on the driveway, douse it in petrol, and throw a match on it. Home sweet home is where I will stay forever.

[pritch]

I thought the same so had a google, it turns out our tax on alcohol is actually pretty low compared to say the aussies.

Last time I was a Heathrow "duty free" the malt whisky was more expensive than it would be just up the road here at the bottle store. So I bought some at Auckland on the way in, much cheaper. Guess it ain't all bad here. :drinkup:

[YellowDog]

Last time in Czechoslovakia we paid 5 pounds for a beer in a tourist pub then walked 2 blocks and paid 50p for the same beer in a local pub.

Never mind that shit: you can get a gorgeous looking Czech woman for just ten quid :bleh:

[AllanB]

Mmmmmmmm Czech women

[husaberg]

yeah only 10% likely plus gst and 30% business profit tax on everyone that touched it plus you already paid tax on the money you earnt before buying it so should be about 80% tax all up lol.

yeah I was surprised how low it was only 10%(plus gst) tax but why is duty free so cheap compared to retail now or has it been to long since I had a holiday now?

Last time in Czechoslovakia we paid 5 pounds for a beer in a tourist pub then walked 2 blocks and paid 50p for the same beer in a local pub.


Last time I was a Heathrow "duty free" the malt whisky was more expensive than it would be just up the road here at the bottle store. So I bought some at Auckland on the way in, much cheaper. Guess it ain't all bad here. :drinkup:

http://www.phillippdunn.com/liqour/MakingGinVodka.pdf

In the US 10c of alcohol costs $10-$20


The dollar figures involved are informative. When alcohol is made on a large scale, as it is for the fuel-alcohol industry (gasohol) its cost of manufacture is about 25 cents per litre. This is for 100% alcohol. If diluted to the 40% commonly used for vodka, gin and other distilled spirits a litre would contain about 10 cents (U.S.) worth of alcohol. The retail price of a litre of vodka will lie somewhere between $10 and $20 depending on the country and level of taxation. The mark-up is enormous.

[GrayWolf]

This. Like it or not we're a backwater with a tiny population, with expectations far beyond our real economy's ability to deliver. Business tends towards monopolies, duopolies etc where it can, as the best way to compete is to have no competition or as little as possible.

But in a backwater like ours this may well be the only way to stay in business with an 'acceptable' level of return. So I don't blame Blue Wing too much, in a way you're lucky the DCT is available at all in NZ – it's not on other models (like my bike) despite it being available for years overseas. Maybe the premium is to cover the cost of training the Honda service people in maintaining a DCT transmission, given very few are likely to be sold here.


Offshore charging would be relevant as a check if we knew the factory had set up a globally equal retail model - a model that meant retail prices were say income or exchange rate driven so the purchasers national buying power was relatively equal country to country.

Now maybe they do and you are correct but I bet it is not the case, and a USA dealer who will order 30 African Twins will get a better price than a NZ dealer who orders 3.

Years back when Kawasaki had quite a hit on the BR250 it did not sell well in NZ. A local dealer commented on this when in Japan and the factory was very surprised - until they found out the RRP being set in NZ. It was higher than recommended by the factory, way high compared to the NZ market. The NZ importer had decided it was such a good bike it should have a premium price attached and sold it to the dealers in such a manner.

USA forums often talk of Harley tax.


Are we getting ripped off? Are we surrounded by rich motorcycle dealers?

It was only five years ago on KB we were shitting our selves over the number of NZ motorcycle shops shutting down. Heck another in Christchurch is closing doors. Can't be due to making to much money ripping buyers off.


The other even more insidious behaviour of manufacturers/importers is the 'requirement/push' to be a 'destination' dealer.
HD have been doing it for a while, including 'drop brand X/Y' or???? As well as insisting the said dealer must sell 'manufacturer clothing' {KTM are on this particular drive at present} Usually highly expensive and often of not superior quality. This 'destination dealer drive' also includes shop layout, stock numbers, sales staff, decor, brand placement 'for maximum sales effect' regardless of other brands/bikes being sold. I know that canam's are not high in number or highly regarded by many riders, but, this is a classic. Several bike shops country wide took the 'plunge' in the early days, they are really being 'muscled out' as BRP want 'destination dealers'... more BRP products you sell, spyders/clothes/quads/etc,etc.. the bigger dealer discounts you get.
Come on guys, NZ has a total population that is less than a large number of USA cities, just HOW do they expect this one brand mentality to work in this small 'backwater'?
The only losers are the customer {shops will end up closing or dropping brands} and the businesses themselves. Do we as purchasers really want to have to travel to a 'dedicated dealer' for servicing, parts, repairs, and oh yes warranty issues? Wonder what the cost would be to ship a canam from Wellington to Palmy north in the event of a complete breakdown under warranty? That is the reality being faced now. Want to have to 'biketranz' your ducati/HD/MV Augusta 2-3-500km's to a dedicated dealer?? That's the direction we could be facing in the future if this 'craziness' continues.

[jasonu]

http://www.phillippdunn.com/liqour/MakingGinVodka.pdf

In the US 10c of alcohol costs $10-$20

and the same bottle of gin prolly costs $50 in NZ,

[Ocean1]

Last time I was a Heathrow "duty free" the malt whisky was more expensive than it would be just up the road here at the bottle store. So I bought some at Auckland on the way in, much cheaper. Guess it ain't all bad here. :drinkup:

Aye, I long ago gave up even browsing through duty free shops, it just made me angry. They need every cent of the extra profit they take just to pay for the couple of square meters of shopfront the airport company leases them.

Airport companies, there's another fucking joke, a natural monopoly that could have been developed for the sole purpose of demonstrating that monopolies price shit completely unrelated to their supply costs.

[Katman]

The other even more insidious behaviour of manufacturers/importers is the 'requirement/push' to be a 'destination' dealer.
HD have been doing it for a while, including 'drop brand X/Y' or???? As well as insisting the said dealer must sell 'manufacturer clothing' {KTM are on this particular drive at present}

Harley are also very strict on not allowing any American parts suppliers to sell to overseas customers.

New Harley parts have to be bought though their international distributors.

[Ocean1]

http://www.phillippdunn.com/liqour/MakingGinVodka.pdf

In the US 10c of alcohol costs $10-$20

It's landed in NZ in bulk, pumped across the wharf down a 6" pipeline.

Not sure what the current price is but 20 years ago it was well under a dollar a liter.

[jonbuoy]

If you think you are getting ripped off in NZ, come and Live in Perth, Western Australia, THE biggest rip-off on the planet. The exact same car / motorbike costs more here than in the eastern states, petrol changes price DAILY, yada yada yada. What a f**ken joke. The tanker comes as fills up the petrol station, who then sell it for a different price every day of the week. The price varies by up to 20c per litre across the 7 days, yet there is no hint of anyone accusing them on price manipulation or shit like that.

Food costs heaps here, the meat is shit ( cos the cows and sheep only have red dirt to eat ), service anywhere for anything is non existent, the State and Federal Governments, who are coming off the back of an unprecedented 10 year mining boom, have 10 times the debt they did 10 years ago and nothing to show for it.

Over-inflated incomes have led to over-inflated egos and self-importance, a whole generation with a massive sense of self entitlement, a whole generation that has spent it's entire working life in a bubble removed from reality, and that's not only personally, that's the governments too. No one ( personal or Government ) has thought or planned more than 5 minutes ahead, no one ( personal or Government ) has put any money away for a rainy day.

I sit back here laughing at them all. They have no idea what the real world in like, what it's like to work Monday to Friday just to pay the bank, then have to work second and third jobs on the weekends so you can have such luxuries as food and power and running water. This was my life before I came here to have a crack at the mining game. I've more than tripled my income since I've been over here, but I've still lived the same lifestyle as I did at home. I've saved every penny, so I can can come back home and relax a bit and not have to work 3 jobs 7 days a week just to make ends meet. And I've achieved that goal, so you'd have to say it's been worth it financially. But it has cast me a lot personally, I've missed everything for the last 8 years, everything - birthdays, weddings, funerals, events, general life, friends, family, you name it, I've missed it. I think it's fair to say I've been as close to being in prison as possible without actually being in prison. No wonder everyone is heading home now.

All I can say is, I CANNOT WAIT to come back home to Auckland for good, which will be by this Christmas, as soon as I get laid off from the last cash cow resources job before the whole industry dies in the arse and falls off the cliff. They can only blame themselves too, they've priced themselves out of the market, and the Unions have completely fucked it for the workers, exactly like the Unions did in England in the late 70's and 80's. Anyway, fuck the red dirt, fuck the hot weather, fuck the bogans, and generally, just fuck Australia. First thing I do when I get home will be to put my passport on the driveway, douse it in petrol, and throw a match on it. Home sweet home is where I will stay forever.

Ha that's gold. I know how you feel- I work in a similar situation - the amount of daft people who earn big money and still live pay check to pay check is laughable. I've kept more or less the same standard of living - still mostly drink in cheap bars. Buggered if I'm going to blow a weeks wages pretending to be something I'm not on a night out.

[Dave-]

I'm sick of the attitude of NZ companies. I understand some things are more expensive, but it should be offset by good support and a good customer experience. These are the sales equivalent of being a good Kiwi, but the customer experience in NZ is always so toxic.

I purchased some performance car parts from the official website in the UK recently, I was comparing shipping times with a friend on Facebook who had purchased some similar parts too. An NZ bike parts distributor commented on the photo claiming to be the NZ distributor and asking why we hadn't purchased from an NZ company. I had to explain that I used the website to find an NZ distributor and was told the parts I wanted weren't available in NZ, I also had to explain that he was not listed as a distributor on their website.

I've contacted that NZ parts distributor about some parts recently and heard nothing in 3 days. I'm not sure if they're so busy making money they can't afford to take mine or whether they're too busy harassing 'friends' on Facebook.

[Pound]

Anyway, fuck the red dirt, fuck the hot weather, fuck the bogans, and generally, just fuck Australia. First thing I do when I get home will be to put my passport on the driveway, douse it in petrol, and throw a match on it. Home sweet home is where I will stay forever.



This is why I love Kiwis. :laugh:

Give this man a gold medal.

[AllanB]

I'm sick of the attitude of NZ companies. I understand some things are more expensive, but it should be offset by good support and a good customer experience. These are the sales equivalent of being a good Kiwi, but the customer experience in NZ is always so toxic.

.


Bit of a tar brush going on there but you make a good point regarding retail. Problem is it's always been looked at as a short term job. In that yeah I'll sell that until I get a real job. Often driven by managers who treat their retail staff poorly as second class workers.

There are very good retail shops in NZ with staff who know their stuff and enjoy their jobs. But unfortunately it is generally not seen as a career or a place where one can move upwards in. Probably due to being paid at the arse end.

[avimistry]

:lol: The responses are cracking me up :lol:

I could buy an AGV Pista GP online, pay tax/duty/biosecurity/admin/any other BS charges, undercut any NZ retailer, and still make a good profit. And I'd also throw in a free balaclava cause the Pista GP is noisy, and chilly in the colder months.

And lets not get started on OVERpriced LAMS bikes...

Just my 2c..

[ellipsis]

...the best cure to such a sickness would be, not to buy anything...

[Voltaire]

Well....don't buy new bike or cars and do the service yourself, once your bored with it sell it on TM and buy another.

I've looked at parts overseas and been 'directed' to the local importer like Whites, Forbes and Davies. Former motorcycle shops from pre 90's who clearly build up good overseas

networks and decided it was easier to clip the ticket and pass the costs onto the dealers.

Well Mr White and F and D, screw you, I just buy all my stuff other than tyres off the net.:bleh:

Example:

Set of YSS Z shocks for a BMW- can get from UK for $600 plus $50 Post. There will be $150 'tax' when it arrives, that's $800 and that's UK retail with VAT of 17% added.

Here the same set is $850, on back order.

BMW parts I order from the UK, great website, here is 4 days, even the GST part is easy with their courier.

Experience BMW :laugh::laugh::laugh:, not even worth asking

Only time I did buy a bike in the last 10 years off a Dealer, it was 3 years older than they told me it was....gee I miss Haldanes.:no:

[Dave-]

There will be $150 'tax' when it arrives

*might be

Sometimes they simply don't tax you, which is nice.

[babysteps]

If anyone wants a Kriega US-30 (https://www.fc-moto.de/Kriega-US-30-Drybag) they will arrive from FC Moto for $70 less than a NZ Dealer wants and in less time than it took for them to respond to an email!!

[WristTwister]

All the big companies rip us off, Apple, Adobe, so on and so on, etc etc.. Fair Go did an article about it a few years ago - basically they charge what the market is willing to bear.

[Bassmatt]

Set of YSS Z shocks for a BMW- can get from UK for $600 plus $50 Post. There will be $150 'tax' when it arrives, that's $800 and that's UK retail with VAT of 17% added.

Here the same set is $850, on back order.


You save $50 and have no comeback when they shit themselves (DAMHIK.)
Not really worth it is it?

[husaberg]

You save $50 and have no comeback when they shit themselves (DAMHIK.)
Not really worth it is it?

As Mr Taylor always said with his product he will revalve it for free with his line of Swedish suspenders, try doing that with a internet buy from overseas.
Where is Mr Taylor lately anyway?

[Katman]

Where is Mr Taylor lately anyway?

Probably trying to keep his arse as far away from your tongue as possible.

[husaberg]

Probably trying to keep his arse as far away from your tongue as possible.

Yet strangely enough, here you are following me around. So any other of your homoerotic fantasies you have about me you wish to share?

[Katman]

So any other of your homoerotic fantasies you have about me you whish to share?

I have a recurring dream where a gay guy is fucking your dismembered head.

Is that weird or what?

[husaberg]

I have a recurring dream where a gay guy is fucking your dismembered head.

Is that weird or what?

Weird, Nah, Not for a guy that always has to share their homosexual fantasies like you do. I am sure you have more. I sincerely doubt you only have one reoccurring homosexual fantasy.

[Katman]

Nah, Not for a guy that always has to share their homosexual fantasies like you do. I am sure you have more. I sincerely doubt you only have one reoccurring homosexual fantasy.

Just so we're clear - it's not me fucking your dismembered head.

[husaberg]

Just so we're clear - it's not me fucking your dismembered head.

You mean In your reoccurring homosexual fantasy dream.:no:
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Sure its likely highly Elton Johns hairdresser has many similar dreams.

[Madness]

Sure its likely highly Elton Johns hairdresser has many similar dreams.

Elton John's hairdresser knows husaberk? Wow. How many degrees of separation?

Likely highly, indeed.

[Katman]

Wow. How many degrees of separation?

Very likely highly.

[Big Dog]

Just so we're clear - it's not me fucking your dismembered head.
I'd be more concerned at the voyeuristic necrophilia than possibly being gay.



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[Katman]

I'd be more concerned at the voyeuristic necrophilia than possibly being gay.

It's more just whishful thinking.

[husaberg]

Elton John's hairdresser knows husaberk? Wow. How many degrees of separation?

Likely highly, indeed.

Shit Madness, I am sure katman will be glad you have his back covered.

[Madness]

Shit Madness I am sure katman will be glad you have his back covered.

It's not like that at all. I just think you're a cunt.

[Katman]

Shit Madness, I am sure katman will be glad you have his back covered.

Is that what you see when you close your eyes?

[Madness]

You cunts are sick. What's wrong with just dreaming about cutting cunts heads off? it gets me through my day alright.

[Katman]

You cunts are sick. What's wrong with just dreaming about cutting cunts heads off? it gets me through my day alright.

A little skull fucking never hurt anyone.

[husaberg]

Is that what you see when you close your eyes?
See here you go again projecting.............

[Madness]

A little skull fucking never hurt anyone.

Is that when you just stick the tip in?

[Katman]

Is that when you just stick the tip in?

It depends how little your tip is.

[Moi]

You cunts are sick. What's wrong with just dreaming about cutting cunts heads off? it gets me through my day alright.

No, no, no...

You can't cut them off...

The thread's about being RIPPED off, so you have to RIP off the heads...

Otherwise the thread will have to be renamed "Sick of being CUT off" - and that has to do with telephones, not the decapitation of heads...

[Madness]

No, no, no...

You can't cut them off...

The thread's about being RIPPED off, so you have to RIP off the heads...

Oh, fuck that. Too much effort. What's next, foreplay?

[Katman]

What's next, foreplay?

You mean the bit before the head comes off?

[Madness]

You mean the bit before the head comes off?

If that's the case then it's likely highly that it's all foreplay, innit?

[Crasherfromwayback]

I once sent a valentine's day card to a chick I fancied. In it I wrote..."Be my valentine, else I'll come over to your place, suck one of your eyes balls out and skull fuck you!"

Strangely enough, I never heard from her.

Oh well.

[jellywrestler]

I once sent a valentine's day card to a chick I fancied. In it I wrote..."Be my valentine, else I'll come over to your place, suck one of your eyes balls out and skull fuck you!"

Strangely enough, I never heard from her.

Oh well.

you better hope it's not one of those lost letters that turns up thirty years later, and she gets hold of you...

[Crasherfromwayback]

you better hope it's not one of those lost letters that turns up thirty years later, and she gets hold of you...

With a patch on one eye...