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[jonnyk5614]

Got spotted doing 164 up the Bombays. That cop didn't light me up or anything but there was one waiting at Mount Wellington who I duly stopped for.

Instant 28 day suspension and summons to court for the speeding.

To my name I have a ticket for 120 in a 100 and 95 in an 80 so 55 demerits.

How is court going to work out for me?


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[caseye]

Got spotted doing 164 up the Bombays. That cop didn't light me up or anything but there was one waiting at Mount Wellington who I duly stopped for.

Instant 28 day suspension and summons to court for the speeding.

To my name I have a ticket for 120 in a 100 and 95 in an 80 so 55 demerits.

How is court going to work out for me?


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You carried on, on the motorway not thinking anytime now! and of course it happened.With previous and riding a Busa I'd say youré going to get a bit of experience at marathons, the on foot type.

[Maha]

You carried on, on the motorway not thinking anytime now! and of course it happened.With previous and riding a Busa I'd say youré going to get a bit of experience at marathons, the on foot type.

Yip if it were me I would have exited at the next off ramp. 164 on an often heavily policed bit of SH1? New Balance have some good deals going at the moment. :nya:

[tigertim20]

if the judge is having a good day, it will be 6 months walking.

If he's having a bad day, he'll give you 12 months and one day walking . . .

[Moi]

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Sorry... couldn't resist...

[Akzle]

if you paid you shit before it got to court, it wont be on you 'record' as such. only if the cop who's presenting it wants to paint you as a cunt.

are you a cunt?

[Gremlin]

50kph+ over speed limit is usually a summons for dangerous driving, which carries a minimum disqualification period of 6 months. If you're super lucky you might get exceeding 100kph, but unlikely. For the record, 40kph over a permanent speed zone and you're walking for 28 days.

35-36kph ish over the limit is 50 demerits (there is no higher level) so you're now also over 100 demerits. I don't know how that plays out with (presumably) the other disqualification you're getting. Excess demerit disqualifications are 3 months.

If you do get a charge of dangerous driving then I think you don't have the option of limited licences for work? I may be wrong... You're definitely out for at least the 28 day disqualification: http://www.nzta.govt.nz/assets/resources/factsheets/50/docs/50-limited-lic.pdf

[WNJ]

:killingme I got let off with a warning last week for doing 184 in a 100 zone in patetonga ,rural cops are awesome, :banana:

[YellowDog]

Take doughnuts for the cop, Whisky for a male judge or flowers for a female.

Otherwise, spit in your palm and wipe it between you legs for some lubrication.

You're gonna get screwed, not question :o

[Ender EnZed]

50kph+ over speed limit is usually a summons for dangerous driving, which carries a minimum disqualification period of 6 months. If you're super lucky you might get exceeding 100kph, but unlikely. For the record, 40kph over a permanent speed zone and you're walking for 28 days.

35-36kph ish over the limit is 50 demerits (there is no higher level) so you're now also over 100 demerits. I don't know how that plays out with (presumably) the other disqualification you're getting. Excess demerit disqualifications are 3 months.

If you do get a charge of dangerous driving then I think you don't have the option of limited licences for work? I may be wrong... You're definitely out for at least the 28 day disqualification: http://www.nzta.govt.nz/assets/resources/factsheets/50/docs/50-limited-lic.pdf


Do you know what exactly results in the difference in punishment between "28 days suspension" and "more", by any chance?

[nzspokes]

Got spotted doing 164 up the Bombays. That cop didn't light me up or anything but there was one waiting at Mount Wellington who I duly stopped for.

Instant 28 day suspension and summons to court for the speeding.

To my name I have a ticket for 120 in a 100 and 95 in an 80 so 55 demerits.

How is court going to work out for me?


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They didnt pull you because you were going way over the chase limit. Yep you will get a Dangerous for that so at least 6 months walking but for that speed probably 12. Along with a good sized fine and maybe some PD to go with it. Sell the bike before the hearing and tell the judge you have.

You wont be able to insure it again anyway. Well not with a premium and excess that less than the value of the bike.:lol:

[jonnyk5614]

To clarify, the cop said he decided that I wouldn't be reported for dangerous driving.

I have paperwork saying that I am summonsed for exceeding 100kph.

I also have a 28 day suspension.


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[jonnyk5614]

And yes, wasn't thinking - should have pulled off. Didn't see blues so thought I'd gotten away with it lol.

Life is a learning curve and last night I was a significant plonker....

In terms of "am I a cunt?", all conversation was friendly. I was remorseful and respective. The cop was pleasant and helpful.


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[jonnyk5614]

But yes, I'm sitting on 55 demerits and the cop said I'd get 50 at court.


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[Gremlin]

Do you know what exactly results in the difference in punishment between "28 days suspension" and "more", by any chance?
Sorry, not sure what you're asking? He receives an automatic (well, there is the unicorn cop that won't give it) 28 day for going 40+ over a permanent limit (it's 50+ over in a temporary) and that's immediate (ie, if they're nice, you can ride/drive home, if not, you're calling someone). On top of that, you're going to get similar to what's discussed.


To clarify, the cop said he decided that I wouldn't be reported for dangerous driving.

I have paperwork saying that I am summonsed for exceeding 100kph.

I also have a 28 day suspension.
Apparently there is a set schedule for speed v fines: http://www.police.govt.nz/faq/what-are-the-fines-for-speeding

As for disqualification, I'd expect one, but you're now at the mercy of prosecution and judge. Your history comes into account, the mood of the judge, what prosecution wants etc. Actually it also depends if you're before a JP (expect a rubber stamp of whatever the cops said) or a judge (my experience found them to be super fair, bollocking people/lawyers/police alike). You're probably best to seek a lawyer, depending on what's at stake (which adds to your cost). They may advise re selling bike, doing defensive driving, anything that may help swing things in your favour. Think of it this way... the scale of limits stops at 50kph over. Doing 164kph to a lay person is clubbing baby seals/kittens level bad. Yes, you can probably do it in first gear but that's not how the average person sees it.

Insurance will need to be notified (any car/bike etc policy you have) and for them, it raises your risk profile... for years usually.

You're not so much getting 50 demerits "at court", but that speed carries 50 demerits, and paying the fine / accepting guilt means the penalties are applied. The excess demerits usually comes along a little later, NZTA catches up, sends out an agent to collect your licence etc. The lawyer will probably be useful for negotiating the way through 28 days vs court imposed punishment vs 3 months for excess demerits. I never collected in quite that much style and have since learnt my lesson (mostly) :whistle:

[Akzle]

so. lesson #1

deny deny deny.

[YellowDog]

Lesson 2:

If the cop seems to be in a reasonably good mood, try and negotiate the speed down to 49kph over the limit :yes:

[nerrrd]

This guy not so lucky.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11703495

[Jin]

And yes, wasn't thinking - should have pulled off. Didn't see blues so thought I'd gotten away with it lol.

Life is a learning curve and last night I was a significant plonker....

In terms of "am I a cunt?", all conversation was friendly. I was remorseful and respective. The cop was pleasant and helpful.


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Remorseful and respective doesnt help much. I hate doing it but have to agree with the goat lover above and deny deny deny.

[Madness]

I also hate to agree with a previous post but sell the bike. Now. Get a receipt.

[Big Dog]

On the plus side we don't have jail time for speeding here.

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[YellowDog]

I also hate to agree with a previous post but sell the bike. Now. Get a receipt.

Yes indeed, show the judge the receipt, so he knows just how many thousands you are prepared to pay to prove you are truly remorseful :yes:

[Madness]

Yes indeed, show the judge the receipt, so he knows just how many thousands you are prepared to pay to prove you are truly remorseful :yes:

Fuck that. Tell the silly old bint it was on tick.

[jonnyk5614]

Yup.
I'm going to talk to the community law advice place this week and then probably have to get an actual lawyer.

Will plead guilty for sure but there is the possibility of a discharge without conviction.

Really don't want a criminal conviction.....


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[R650R]

They didnt pull you because you were going way over the chase limit....

*sniggers* lol Chase limit lol.... That's a fairy tale for media releases. They WILL initiate a pursuit if they WANT to, in this case clearly they had other assets up road....

[R650R]

Do you ever want to go overseas and do you NEED your licence for job????

It might pay to get a semi decent lawyerjew to mitigate the penaltys and stop them doing random shit like calling it dangerous driving. Just researched for you recent case here were a duke rider got done by camera and court case for 199 on good empty road. He was charged with dangerous speed.
I have seen a UK media article where a judge there threw out a dangerous driving charge for a case similar to yours, saying yes the guy broke speed limit but his manner of driving was not dangerous in itself.
However with the hysteria around speed here fat chance.

I'd pay the fine straight away as you may as well start your disqualification period staright away, make sure your address is current for being served.
Who witnessed you on bombays? cop or civilian camera operator???? As axel said deny deny deny... chances are they just radioed in a black bike going sduperfast and roughly tracked you on mway cameras, could be a case of mistaken identity out but sound slike you already admitted guilt roadside....

So pay the fine, apologise like hell and say you understand and appreciate how silly you were etc....

[YellowDog]

possibility of a discharge without conviction.

A FAT CHANCE

Really don't want a criminal conviction.....


If you are now shit scared and taking this seriously, you need to get lawyered up and not to worry about the cost.

Back in the early 90s, I had a 165kph (103.5mph) and six month disqualification on top of a dangerous driving charge, appealed down to a six day driving ban and no charges. They even claimed I was racing another vehicle - Amazing :o

Cost me thousands, but I got a lawyer whom knew the system and how to play it. The only thing I had to do, other than hand over lots of cash (before for his time, and then after for the result), was to promise to make no comment at all and let the lawyer rip the prosecution to shreads.

If you don't play this right, they'll rip your head off and f#ck your neck hole, just for the fun of it.

You need to start asking who knows whom and what's what!

Good luck.

[nzspokes]

*sniggers* lol Chase limit lol.... That's a fairy tale for media releases. They WILL initiate a pursuit if they WANT to, in this case clearly they had other assets up road....

I didnt mean they were not allowed to, more like would some clapped out old Commodore have any chance doing 160 odd up the Bombays without a really good run up?

[Madness]

You need to start asking who knows whom and what's what!


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[Gremlin]

Yup.
I'm going to talk to the community law advice place this week and then probably have to get an actual lawyer.

Will plead guilty for sure but there is the possibility of a discharge without conviction.

Really don't want a criminal conviction.....
I stand to be corrected, but I believe traffic offences (without injury etc) are not criminal offences.

http://communitylaw.org.nz/community-law-manual/chapter-33-driving-and-traffic-law/court-processes-how-driving-offences-are-dealt-with-chapter-33/

[pritch]

Yup.
I'm going to talk to the community law advice place this week and then probably have to get an actual lawyer.


You should probably get a lawyer, and cheap lawyers can be expensive.. The whole justice thing is a big money-go-round and at least your being represented by a lawyer shows the judge that you are prepared to play your part in funding their game.

But staying on the motorway? :brick:

[Akzle]

I stand to be corrected, but I believe traffic offences (without injury etc) are not criminal offences.

http://communitylaw.org.nz/community-law-manual/chapter-33-driving-and-traffic-law/court-processes-how-driving-offences-are-dealt-with-chapter-33/

well technical like, a crime requires a victim. everything else is a breach of contract, or policy infruingement if you prefer.

Most things that go through caught, the plebs volunteer for their treatment.

[Tazz]

Bad luck man. Fingers crossed you're not walkin.

[jonnyk5614]

I stand to be corrected, but I believe traffic offences (without injury etc) are not criminal offences.

http://communitylaw.org.nz/community-law-manual/chapter-33-driving-and-traffic-law/court-processes-how-driving-offences-are-dealt-with-chapter-33/
"
Category 1 offences (Fines only) – Unlike infringement offences, Category 1 offences give you a criminal record, but you can’t be jailed for them, only fined."

I've been summonsed to court whether I'm willing to deny or not. Infringements only run up to 150kph.


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[jonnyk5614]

Was a copper at Bombay.
I saw him too late parked on a slip road.
I know he saw me at the speed he showed me on the radar.

I totally agree - stupid staying on the motorway. I have a lot of shit going on in life at the moment and didn't quite think it through. Just saw him not behind me and figured I was sweet.

Discharge without conviction is possible if the consequences of criminal conviction outweigh the gravity of the offence, and if the offence seems to be a one off mistake. Need a lawyer to have a crack at that though. I'll have to argue good character, poor job prospects, inability to travel.... they still fine/ban you but don't enter a conviction against your name.

I didn't "fess up" at the roadside. I initially and politely went "are you sure it was me? That is really surprising....." then said "I am so surprised at the speed but I trust that you're correct. My bad I guess, I wasn't keeping tabs on that". Ect. No overt "Guilty as charged guv" but trying to keep things pleasant to hope for a bit of slack.

The cop made the point of saying that it was up to him to decide whether it would be dangerous driving and eventually he concluded it would just be for speeding.

As an aside, anyone know the cop? Brian Riley, also does motorcycle training in Pukekohe.


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[Akzle]

. My bad I guess, I wasn't keeping tabs on that".

nope. right here.
ignorance is no excuse.
i'd rape your mouth on that one alone, if you aren't aware of what you're doing you shouldn't be on the road.

also, forget his name, you likely wont see him again. someone from cops legal section will be at court to present their case, he'll be too busy on the donut run.

your summons will tell you who is charging you. likely "the nz police force" not "brian from p town"

[Maha]

Have you thought about writing in and putting a case forward? (if indeed you have one) I was stopped and ticketed in 2010. I was locked at 119kmp but even the cop said ''We both know that you were going faster than that'' I had been at around 130 when I saw saw him parked behind hedges on an on ramp. 3-4 kms down the road he asked '' What's the reason for your speed'' I told him and then added that ''I knew the rules''. Long story short, the ticket was in most part illegible, apart from the alleged speed/date and the fine. My people wrote in expressing their concern for this, the cops attitude and my reason for the speed. Two days before the fine was due to be paid, I received a letter from the Police stating that they had taking into consideration our concerns surrounding the issued infringement, and no further action will be taken.

[Maha]

You should probably get a lawyer, and cheap lawyers can be expensive.. The whole justice thing is a big money-go-round and at least your being represented by a lawyer shows the judge that you are prepared to play your part in funding their game.

But staying on the motorway? :brick:

By the time it gets to court the judge has pretty much made his mind on what the outcome will be. I found that out in 1984, my sister worked for a defense Lawyer and suggested that I needed him to help me out with my pending court appearance. The Lawyer cost me just as much as the fine issued by the Judge plus the six months loss of licence (mandatory low level first offence) While the Lawyer was speaking on my behalf, the Judge didn't even look up, two stamp later... job done.

[Banditbandit]

You wont be able to insure it again anyway. Well not with a premium and excess that less than the value of the bike.:lol:


It didn't affect my insurance at all ..



But yes, I'm sitting on 55 demerits and the cop said I'd get 50 at court.


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If you get your licence suspended or you are disqualified all your demerit points get wiped ..


You're gone for at least 6 months (possibly 12 ...) that will NOT include the 28 day instant suspension ... and a fine as well ...

Take it on the chin - you did it ... and got caught ...

[Crasherfromwayback]

:killingme I got let off with a warning last week for doing 184 in a 100 zone in patetonga ,rural cops are awesome, :banana:

That's because rural cops get sick of fucking goats sooner or later.

[Maha]

It didn't affect my insurance at all ..



True that, when a speeding ticket affects your insurance premium it's time to change insurers.

[Cosmik de Bris]

well technical like, a crime requires a victim. everything else is a breach of contract, or policy infruingement if you prefer.

Most things that go through caught, the plebs volunteer for their treatment.

So who's the victim in growing weed?

[Akzle]

So who's the victim in growing weed?

noone. it's not actually a criminal offense.

[Maha]

:Oops: Cultivation of cannabis can result in a 7 year jail term or an immediate 2 years jail term and/or $2,000 fine.

[Banditbandit]

:Oops: Cultivation of cannabis can result in a 7 year jail term or an immediate 2 years jail term and/or $2,000 fine.

Given Akzle's usual position - I take him to mean that it is a paper crime, a crime by definition alone. It is not a real crime ...

There is a difference .. I tend to see paper crimes as crimes defined by the Government. Real Crimes may be illegal but are also immoral ... and of course there are Real Crimes which are immoral but not illegal ... a lot of white collar actions fall into the latter category ..

[YellowDog]

So surely the 167kph speeding allegation is no more than an offence on paper. There were no victims. There was no dangerous riding or riding without due care and attention, as if there was, there would have been a victim and resulting damage/injury. A discharge without conviction and a Police commendation for demonstarting skillful riding, is the only logical conclusion? :shit:

[Maha]

So surely the 167kph speeding allegation is no more than an offence on paper. There were no victims. There was no dangerous riding or riding without due care and attention, as if there was, there would have been a victim and resulting damage/injury. A discharge without conviction and a Police commendation for demonstarting skillful riding, is the only logical conclusion? :shit:

And there has been direction given to utilise an expensive Lawyer on this issue..... pfft!

[FJRider]

Yup.
I'm going to talk to the community law advice place this week and then probably have to get an actual lawyer.

Will plead guilty for sure but there is the possibility of a discharge without conviction.

Really don't want a criminal conviction.....


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60 km/hr over the speed limit will mean it unlikely for you to get discharged without conviction.

Traffic court convictions are NOT criminal ... unless you're looking at jail time. Then all bets are off.

Most likely (and usual) a big fine and six months loss of license on top of the 28 days. The 28 days is the automatic knee-jerk reaction to being 40 kms/hr over the posted limit. And is not regarded as any/full punishment for the offence.

http://www.police.govt.nz/faq/what-are-the-fines-for-speeding

http://communitylaw.org.nz/community-law-manual/chapter-33-driving-and-traffic-law/court-processes-how-driving-offences-are-dealt-with-chapter-33/

[Akzle]

Given Akzle's usual position - I take him to mean that it is a paper crime, a crime by definition alone. It is not a real crime ...

There is a difference .. I tend to see paper crimes as crimes defined by the Government. Real Crimes may be illegal but are also immoral ... and of course there are Real Crimes which are immoral but not illegal ... a lot of white collar actions fall into the latter category ..

given moohard's usual level of retardation, i ignore him.

i'm reasonably confident that "growing weed" is not even legislated against, as such.
so if cosmik wishes to continue this discourse, we'll go down the path...

[TheDemonLord]

given moohard's usual level of retardation, i ignore him.

i'm reasonably confident that "growing weed" is not even legislated against, as such.
so if cosmik wishes to continue this discourse, we'll go down the path...

I'd tend to disagree:


cultivate includes sow or plant; and cultivation has a corresponding meaning

http://thelawdictionary.org/cultivated/


prohibited plant means—
(a)

any plant of the genus Cannabis:
(b)

any plant of the species Papaver somniferum:
(c)

Erythroxylon coca and Erythroxylon novagranatense (syn E truxillense) and every other species of the genus Erythroxylon from which a controlled drug can be produced:
(d)

any plant of the species Lophophora williamsii or Lophophora lewinii:
(e)

any fungus of the genera Conocybe, Panaeolus, or Psilocybe from which a controlled drug can be produced or which contains a controlled drug:
(f)

any other plant which is declared to be a prohibited plant by regulations made under this Act


9 Cultivation of prohibited plants

(1)

Except pursuant to a licence under this Act, or as otherwise permitted by regulations made under this Act, no person shall cultivate any prohibited plant.

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1975/0116/latest/whole.html

[nzspokes]

It didn't affect my insurance at all ..




One of my staff a while back got caught somewhat quicker than he should have been. Took him ages to find somebody that would cover him then when he did the premium was very high.

[Akzle]

I'd tend to disagree:



http://thelawdictionary.org/cultivated/





http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1975/0116/latest/whole.html

...

Subject to subsection (4), every person who contravenes sub-
section (1) commits an offence against this Act and is liable
on conviction on indictment to imprisonment for a term not
exceeding 7 years.


not "comits a crime" nor "is a criminal"

commits an offense against an act. an infringement.

also be very difficult for a person to cultivate any shit.
(protip, look up the legal definition of person)

also, given that it can be sown or planted ("cultivated") without my intervention (ie, by god)..... then what?

but yae, i conceed that point, i did not believe the statute to be even that explicit. yay for "the crown".

[scumdog]

...


not "comits a crime" nor "is a criminal"

commits an offense against an act. an infringement.

also be very difficult for a person to cultivate any shit.
(protip, look up the legal definition of person)

also, given that it can be sown or planted ("cultivated") without my intervention (ie, by god)..... then what?

but yae, i conceed that point, i did not believe the statute to be even that explicit. yay for "the crown".



Good luck with all that when you're next in court, bound to be a win.

[Maha]

Good luck with all that when you're next in court, bound to be a win.

It's a wonder he doesn't choke on his own shit to be totally honest.
His little play pit buddies should be along soon to provide back up.

[Akzle]

Good luck with all that when you're next in court, bound to be a win.

hahahahahaha.

why would I go to court??
that's where jews come from!

[Maha]

...

also, given that it can be sown or planted ("cultivated") without my intervention (ie, by god)..... then what?



Does the collective 'we' now have to deal with the cute tingling sensation that you believe there is a God? A simple yes or no will be suffice, no need to advance too much further on that particular subject.

[R650R]

Traffic court convictions are NOT criminal ...

•Dangerous driving has a maximum penalty of 3 months imprisonment or a $4,500.00 fine, and the court must disqualify the driver for a minimum of 6 months (unless very limited circumstances apply).

The court may impose a different sentence to those above under the Sentencing Act 2002. A conviction for dangerous or reckless driving is a criminal conviction. There may also be other legal and personal consequences.

Dangerous driving – the legal meaning

The test for dangerous driving is whether in all of the circumstances the driving is or might be dangerous to the public or to a person. This is also an objective test, requiring driver fault and a higher degree of negligence than careless driving such that the driving is dangerous.

Again it is not a standard of perfection and driver fault may not exist or may not be able to be proven.

Whether driving is objectively dangerous can also be a highly contestable issue. It should be assessed against the circumstances at the time, not through the use of hindsight. The focus of the inquiry is on the risks created by the motorist’s manner of driving, not the consequences, such as an accident. As one judge put it, “the court must not leap to its conclusion about the manner of driving based on the consequence”.

Above all copy and paste...

Then there is also that trickey question when flyinto US applying for jobs etc where it ask have you every been CHARGED with a criminal offence....

[MrMarko]

First offence in court they should just do you 6 months...

Dont ride disqualified.

21 months on a bicycle is fucking painful. :facepalm:

Many years ago now... certainly not something i wish for again.

[Banditbandit]

...


also be very difficult for a person to cultivate any shit.
(protip, look up the legal definition of person)



For what it's worth - Interpretation Act 1999


"person includes a corporation sole, a body corporate, and an unincorporated body""

[Mike.Gayner]

Another interesting thread derailed by the usual bunch of argumentative idiots who just CAN'T LET SOMEONE WIN AN ARGUMENT ON KB!!! :rolleyes:

[MrMarko]

Another interesting thread derailed by the usual bunch of argumentative idiots who just CAN'T LET SOMEONE WIN AN ARGUMENT ON KB!!! :rolleyes:

I'd advise utilising the block list feature...

[Akzle]

Another interesting thread derailed by the usual bunch of argumentative idiots who just CAN'T LET SOMEONE WIN AN ARGUMENT ON KB!!! :rolleyes:

what is the argument?
i'm reading (i can't believe i'm about to say this) constructive discussion with regard to legislature...


For what it's worth - Interpretation Act 1999


"person includes a corporation sole, a body corporate, and an unincorporated body""

i am none of those things.

[TheDemonLord]

Another interesting thread derailed by the usual bunch of argumentative idiots who just CAN'T LET SOMEONE WIN AN ARGUMENT ON KB!!! :rolleyes:

I was more curious as my memory said something different to Akzle and so when looking.

And TBH - I'm not sure how 'Lol rode too fast on my Bike and got suspended' constitutes 'Interesting'

[MrMarko]

I was more curious as my memory said something different to Akzle and so when looking.

And TBH - I'm not sure how 'Lol rode too fast on my Bike and got suspended' constitutes 'Interesting'

Not too fast really. you were on a hayabusa.... if you had used the bike properly you'd be fine.... why else do you buy a 1300cc superbike?

[TheDemonLord]

Not too fast really. you were on a hayabusa.... if you had used the bike properly you'd be fine.... why else do you buy a 1300cc superbike?

Not I....

I bought mine because

a: It was my Dream Bike
b: It does everything I need of it with some to spare.

[MrMarko]

Not I....

I bought mine because

a: It was my Dream Bike
b: It does everything I need of it with some to spare.

That spare was there so when a cop nicks you at 164 you can vanish with a 3 digit number starting with 3 ;)

[Banditbandit]

Another interesting thread derailed by the usual bunch of argumentative idiots who just CAN'T LET SOMEONE WIN AN ARGUMENT ON KB!!! :rolleyes:


People win here? Name one ..

[MrMarko]

People win here? Name one ..

I did a pretty fucking sick burnout at one of noels parties once on the katana.

does that count.

[mashman]

i am none of those things.

Te Urewera national park is :killingme...

"Te Urewera national park has been granted legal personhood, meaning nobody owns it. The park has the same rights and powers as a citizen. The ruling could set a new precedent for land rights and conservation around the world.".

All done on the quiet for some reason, and likely faster than 164 kmh :wari:

[MrMarko]

Te Urewera national park is :killingme...

"Te Urewera national park has been granted legal personhood, meaning nobody owns it. The park has the same rights and powers as a citizen. The ruling could set a new precedent for land rights and conservation around the world.".

All done on the quiet for some reason, and likely faster than 164 kmh :wari:

I liken it to the tree falling in the forrest....

If a man is speeding on his motorcycle.... and he isn't on a state highway where there are no law enforcement officers to see it.... is he still speeding? :confused:

[Akzle]

Te Urewera national park is :killingme...

"Te Urewera national park has been granted legal personhood, meaning nobody owns it. The park has the same rights and powers as a citizen. The ruling could set a new precedent for land rights and conservation around the world.".

All done on the quiet for some reason, and likely faster than 164 kmh :wari:

so is te wahahahahahahaaaaaanganui river, and various other shit.

ahh. legislation.

silly crown employees.

[Akzle]

I liken it to the tree falling in the forrest....

If a man is speeding on his motorcycle.... and he isn't on a state highway where there are no law enforcement officers to see it.... is he still speeding? :confused:

well, as much as you're a fucking idiot, this is quite apt.

the "crime" is being caught (or "noticed").... not in the execution.

~"being detected driving in excess of the posted speed limit by approved detection equipment"

[MrMarko]

well, as much as you're a fucking idiot, this is quite apt.

the "crime" is being caught (or "noticed").... not in the execution.

~"being detected driving in excess of the posted speed limit by approved detection equipment"

Not idiotic enough to get caught anymore. :msn-wink:

[Swoop]

They WILL initiate a pursuit if they WANT to, in this case clearly they had other assets up road....
It seems "quite a bit" up Te road.
Bombay's to Mt Wellywood?


Also: 160kays on a Bus?
Was the other half of the engine, and one wheel, away for servicing?:scratch:

[MrMarko]

It seems "quite a bit" up Te road.
Bombay's to Mt Wellywood?


Also: 160kays on a Bus?
Was the other half of the engine, and one wheel, away for servicing?:scratch:

Thats what i was thinking... above 140 ya screwed anyway if you're going to open it up open it up lol

[mashman]

I liken it to the tree falling in the forrest....

If a man is speeding on his motorcycle.... and he isn't on a state highway where there are no law enforcement officers to see it.... is he still speeding? :confused:

I liken it to a tree in the forest littering a leaf into the river.

If there's no one there to see it, does the tree, and all like it, forfeit its existence to the caughts? :laugh:

[YellowDog]

I liken it to a tree in the forest littering a leaf into the river.

If there's no one there to see it, does the tree, and all like it, forfeit its existence to the caughts? :laugh:

Those bastard trees should be fined for littering :Punk:

[Big Dog]

I liken it to a tree in the forest littering a leaf into the river.

If there's no one there to see it, does the tree, and all like it, forfeit its existence to the caughts? [emoji23]
And if a thousand trees drop a thousand leaves you can't catch them all.

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[mashman]

Those bastard trees should be fined for littering :Punk:

It could cost an arm and a leg or some other limb.


And if a thousand trees drop a thousand leaves you can't catch them all.

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Yeah, but we know where they'll be

http://www.funnysigns.net/files/heavy-plant-crossing-400x328.jpg

[jonnyk5614]

That spare was there so when a cop nicks you at 164 you can vanish with a 3 digit number starting with 3 ;)

I did (there wasn't a 3 but yeah....) but stupidly I didn't pull off. My ticket was issued 35km later.

[YellowDog]

I did (there wasn't a 3 but yeah....) but stupidly I didn't pull off. My ticket was issued 35km later.

Aha..... So they can't actually prove it was your bike?

Lots of bikes of similar coloours on the roads.

In fact one flew past you, just moments before you were stopped, and doing a speed starting with a 3. Are they sure they have the right bike? :lol:

[Maha]

I did a pretty fucking sick burnout at one of noels parties once on the katana.

does that count.

I remember that, not the fucking sick part but I do recall you and you bike drawing a small gathering of sorts.
Was that the same party where Noel went to his Ride safe thing after drinking until around 3am and came home because he so hung over?

[Maha]

I did (there wasn't a 3 but yeah....) but stupidly I didn't pull off. My ticket was issued 35km later.

I may have miss it but did the issuing officer have your registration?

[Akzle]

Aha..... So they can't actually prove it was your bike?

Lots of bikes of similar coloours on the roads.

In fact one flew past you, just moments before you were stopped, and doing a speed starting with a 3. Are they sure they have the right bike? :lol:

no he pretty much admitted it. mens rea.
even if he didn't quite before this thread, he sure as fuck has now.

[YellowDog]

no he pretty much admitted it. mens rea.
even if he didn't quite before this thread, he sure as fuck has now.

Ah.. yes... but this board is completely confidential and no viewer would ever break the unwritten code :no:

You know, like the time I indicated the uphill un-policed stretch of SH1 where I could hiit 221kph at 6:20am on most mornings. The very next morning there was a laser beam of a speed gun pointing at my visor. Must have simply been a coincidence and of course I was only kidding anyway. I would never consider such speeds on an uphill un-policed stretch of SH1, however much of a adrenoline rush it may OR not have allegedly been :lol:

[Maha]

Ah.. yes... but this board is completely confidential and no viewer would ever break the unwritten code :no:

You know, like the time I indicated the uphill un-policed stretch of SH1 where I could hiit 221kph at 6:20am on most mornings. The very next morning there was a laser beam of a speed gun pointing at my visor. Must have simply been a coincidence and of course I was only kidding anyway. I would never consider such speeds on an uphill un-policed stretch of SH1, however much of a adrenoline rush it may OR not have allegedly been :lol:

Cops used to (and possibly still do to an extent) watch this site. Easy pickings on a Thursday night when the entire route of a certain ride would get posted. They even tagged onto one of my rides some years ago. Followed a small group of three to the start point. Interesting that cop was waiting close to a met up point (which was posted on the ride thread) of the three riders. As the bikes moved off, so did the cop.

[Banditbandit]

It's a public forum .. do you think that the police DO NOT drop in here occassionally to see what we are all doing ?

It doesn't need any member to nark ... not even the cops who are members ... just aware cops who know this site exists ...

[WNJ]

It's a public forum .. do you think that the police DO NOT drop in here occassionally to see what we are all doing ?

It doesn't need any member to nark ... not even the cops who are members ... just aware cops who know this site exists ...

Who really gives a fuck if they come on here :motu: I posted a few times of doing the Waikato xpress way at over 2:shutup::shutup:, still not seen a POPO on there at that time of the morning in the 2 yrs it been open :motu:

[YellowDog]

It's a public forum .. do you think that the police DO NOT drop in here occassionally to see what we are all doing ?

It doesn't need any member to nark ... not even the cops who are members ... just aware cops who know this site exists ...

Naaaa.... can't see it myself. They just wouldn't do anything like that and would always respect our privacy :no:

Apparently Farcebook has been used to break many an alibi. "no officer, I was at home all night watching TV wiith the missus", whilst said missus has been on Farcebook say, "no idea where the wanker is, hope he's not been out theiving again, expecting me to cover for him..... again" :lol:

[jonnyk5614]

I may have miss it but did the issuing officer have your registration?

No - he says he had to get CCTV to follow me.

[jonnyk5614]

OK - trying to find a decent lawyer for advice. Not to "get me off" - I did it. I just want to pay one for a consult. I'll probably defend myself.

Apart from 0800 GET ME OUT and 0800 OK2DRIVE - Yeah, you guys sound legit - anyone know anyone reputable?


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[Akzle]

OK - trying to find a decent lawyer for advice. Not to "get me off" - I did it. I just want to pay one for a consult. I'll probably defend myself.

Apart from 0800 GET ME OUT and 0800 OK2DRIVE - Yeah, you guys sound legit - anyone know anyone reputable?


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Community Law / CAB. a) will have lawyers b) will know more.

but if you want a laugh you can pay me $300 an hour and i'll fuck their shit up for science.

defending yourself: a) look to the letter of the legis: the act and section under which your person is being charged. scroll down to " it is a defence against a charge under this section IF...." and hope you IF...d
b) nzlii.org you can search case precedents for i) likely outcomes ii) defences that did work iii)one's that didn't iv) things the judge considered in ruling, whether they apply to you for a lesser sentence.

[YellowDog]

Community Law / CAB. a) will have lawyers b) will know more.

but if you want a laugh you can pay me $300 an hour and i'll fuck their shit up for science.

defending yourself: a) look to the letter of the legis: the act and section under which your person is being charged. scroll down to " it is a defence against a charge under this section IF...." and hope you IF...d
b) nzlii.org you can search case precedents for i) likely outcomes ii) defences that did work iii)one's that didn't iv) things the judge considered in ruling, whether they apply to you for a lesser sentence.

Yes, that's good advice. Look for a precedent where the guy was let off. You never know :o

[avgas]

You do know that the busa has a 3rd gear......... oh wait, I misread that.

As for taking the licks - sad fact of life over there. You get caught speeding, and they give you a mighty fine and some walking time.
My recommendation (if you can afford it) is ask to pay a higher fine and trim down the time you can't ride.

[scumdog]

Community Law / CAB. a) will have lawyers b) will know more.

but if you want a laugh you can pay me $300 an hour and i'll fuck their shit up for science.

defending yourself: a) look to the letter of the legis: the act and section under which your person is being charged. scroll down to " it is a defence against a charge under this section IF...." and hope you IF...d
b) nzlii.org you can search case precedents for i) likely outcomes ii) defences that did work iii)one's that didn't iv) things the judge considered in ruling, whether they apply to you for a lesser sentence.



"The man that defendeth himself only hath a fool for a client"

[Hemi Makutu]

"The man that defendeth himself only hath a fool for a client"

Yeah, that sounds suspiciously like something a self-serving lawyer would say.. "conflict of interest" is another matter..

[Akzle]

"The man that defendeth himself only hath a fool for a client"

"the man that dredgeth posts from last month, simply to call another a fool, is a fuckwit"

[Doppleganger]

"the man that dredgeth posts from last month, simply to call another a fool, is a fuckwit"

The man that doth comment on a man that dredgeth post from last month is nothing more than said fuckwits bitch ;)

[pritch]

"the man that dredgeth posts from last month, simply to call another a fool, is a fuckwit"

It's purely conjecture on my part I know, but it's just possible that some people are busy, or actually have a life. Some, unlike thee and me, don't have all day to play on the Interweb thingy.

Which reminds me I should actually get off my arse and go for a walk - or something. :whistle:

[Moi]

It's purely conjecture on my part I know, but it's just possible that some people are busy, or actually have a life. Some, unlike thee and me, don't have all day to play on the Interweb thingy.

Which reminds me I should actually get off my arse and go for a walk - or something. :whistle:

Walking and riding are best when the activity includes coffee and a "sticky" about half way through the exercise... :niceone:

[caspernz]

I must be a fool for coming in here and thinking the OP might have some miraculous update on his case...:facepalm::shutup::rolleyes::not: