ACC is making changes & wants your feedback

[Vorno]

Believe it or not they actually want to listen to what we have to say!

https://www.shapeyouracc.co.nz/proposals/motorcycle-levies/

Check it out, have a read and give some good feedback guys... I think this has gone under the radar so I'm glad I found it!

[Jeff Sichoe]

Vehicle type Motorcycles 600cc or less
Current levy $297.91
Levy based on actual cost of claims $1,285

Vehicle type Motorcycles over 600cc
Current levy $397.18
Levy based on actual cost of claims $2,369

Ok sweet so it's user pays now?

Get fucked rugby injuries I don't play so i'm not gonna pay oh also get fucked dole i'm employed so ain't gonna contribute to that fund you cocksuckers

[Vorno]

Vehicle type Motorcycles 600cc or less
Current levy $297.91
Levy based on actual cost of claims $1,285

Vehicle type Motorcycles over 600cc
Current levy $397.18
Levy based on actual cost of claims $2,369

Ok sweet so it's user pays now?

Get fucked rugby injuries I don't play so i'm not gonna pay oh also get fucked dole i'm employed so ain't gonna contribute to that fund you cocksuckers

Actually, if you read it carefully you'll note that their suggestion currently states that they wish to keep motorcycle levies the same.

[R650R]

Done
"Many motorcyclists own more than one bike, so you pay two or three times over but can only be at risk on one bike at a time. By ACC logic owners of small cars should be charged higher for the risk they are at when being hit by a large vehicle like a truck, its their fault for being in a smaller vehicle.
Many off highway motorcycle injuries ACC claims through farming and motocross sports incidents are also lumped into general motorcycle claim data unfairly distorting stats of registered bike crash claims.
If the system is truly to be no fault and with many injuries to bikers being from car drivers fault at times then the levies need to be greatly reduced.
The levy (a defacto forced injury insurance) takes no measure of a riders actual crash or claim history. And just like a real insurance policy you cant be expected to pay for the full cost of claims, that's why you have insurance in first place. With ACC we lost the right to sue for injury costs, yet the ACC levy is more than what a lawyer would charge. I've made NO ACC motorbike injury claim in last 20 years but paid about $6000 in ACC levies over multiple bikes in that time.
The levy has no influence on rider behaviour or vehicle maintainance standard. How about a substantial rebate or subsidies on purchase of high quality protective riding gear.
Also take away the $25 levy for Gareth Morgan and his mates to sit around holding hands, nothing substantial has come out of those meetings yet in regards to improving safety.
The ACC motorbike Levy is nothing but a slow and steady way of ending the freedom of travel by motorcycles as they don't fit in with the future of driverless electric cars.
Why is my car only $86 levy with its 200kw engine and the ability to injure myself and up to four passengers at the same time?
Yet on the 35kw 650cc bike with a vested interest in not being hurt its $400.
If ACC closed down tomorrow I'm sure my insurer would add personal injury cover for under $400 extra and cover me across all my vehicles. Stop ripping us off."

[R650R]

Actually, if you read it carefully you'll note that their suggestion currently states that they wish to keep motorcycle levies the same.

yeah with a token reduction to electric bikes....

If they are that desperate for cash why even reduce the one cent of petrol lol. that's the only part that makes sense as you are actually paying when you are riding, not when three bikes are in the shed....

[Jeff Sichoe]

Actually, if you read it carefully you'll note that their suggestion currently states that they wish to keep motorcycle levies the same.

Nah man I did read it but the writing is on the wall when they start highlighting facts like that.

[Swoop]

Believe it or not they actually want to listen to what we have to say!

No they don't.
They are merely "ticking the box" of supposedly engaging the relevant community.
After everything dies down the outcome will be (after filtering the results through their "researchers") what they really wanted.

[mossy1200]

This is my 2cents worth of question.


Why when I can only ride one bike at a time do I need pay the acc content of registration for each bike?

[FatMax]

I Know, lets start a protest movement, ride to Devonport on a Sunday morning, park up and have a coffee, that will tell them what for

[mossy1200]

I Know, lets start a protest movement, ride to Devonport on a Sunday morning, park up and have a coffee, that will tell them what for

Someone would crash.

[Pound]

I pay almost $1000 a year in reg on my two bike and less than $100 for my car.

Acc, you can fuck right off......

[FatMax]

I mean, at the end of the day....
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=324636&d=1474605354

[Banditbandit]

No they don't.
They are merely "ticking the box" of supposedly engaging the relevant community.
After everything dies down the outcome will be (after filtering the results through their "researchers") what they really wanted.

yeap .. they didn't listen last time .. they won't listen this time .. I won't be wasting my breath ..

[haydes55]

$474m cost of covering sport and recreation, yet this isn't levied separately. Motorcycle crash cover is less than $400m.

[Maha]

This is my 2cents worth of question.


Why when I can only ride one bike at a time do I need pay the acc content of registration for each bike?

Because you own multiple plates, one registration (and all levies that go with each registration) per plate.

[Maha]

I Know, lets start a protest movement, ride to Devonport on a Sunday morning, park up and have a coffee, that will tell them what for

I wonder what has happened to that group? their FB page hasn't had any action since July.... that I can see.

[FatMax]

Actually I have a better idea. Lets go grab a coffee somewhere, have a nice hug, update our status's, 'Like' each other's status's then ride off in our high viz to the AA, stand outside and look really grumpy. Then write a very annoyed letter to someone, then after that see how many 'Like's' we got and then go hug each other again. Hey, its better than sitting around doing nothing.....hug them to death....:lol::lol::lol:

[FatMax]

I wonder what has happened to that group? their FB page hasn't had any action since July.... that I can see.

No they've had a few perk ups and coffee mornings......and biscuits...

[tri boy]

ACC wants your opion:rofl:
Fuck that the funniest thing iv'e read for ages.

[Berries]

I Know, lets start a protest movement, ride to Devonport on a Sunday morning, park up and have a coffee, that will tell them what for
You need to let it go.

[FatMax]

You need to let it go.

Why.........???

[haydes55]

I put feedback on the motorcycle rego price topic and also on the earners levy. I said the earners levy should be higher

[Akzle]

Why.........???

hairy palms and/or you'l go blind

[skippa1]

Get over it.....its part of living in our society. I pay taxes and levies for all sorts of shit I dont use and may never use.
i have paid acc levys for the last 38 years, it nearly ruined me the level of tax, acc etc i paid when i was first self employed but thats what it cost. I have paid acc levys on motorcycle regos for the same period. No claims, never thought i ever would. But there you go. It has now paid off, it saved my life and gives me the nessesities i need to stand and walk and go to work and contribute to the acc and tax pool again so that one day you may benefit as i have.
fuck your whinging, try living without the benefits of acc, look how well(not) the system works in the US for all of society

[Black Knight]

Good on that man on post #4-makes a lot of sense and I will post a similar response to ACC-my Mrs is a nurse at the local Medical Centre and often reports to me the number of dirt bike riders that make minor ACC injury claims at the Centre,then their are the major ones that end up as Hospital claims,then there are farm bike injuries-all subsidised by our ACC fees.If the cost of these 100's of injuries were taken out of the overall cost it would be a different picture.
As for the "Safety" Levy-Pffftt.

[Luckylegs]

Why.........???

Cos as usual it just makes you look like a cock...

Bitching about people who arent here to hear it and dont care what you think is just stupid!

[FatMax]

Cos as usual it just makes you look like a cock...

Bitching about people who arent here to hear it and dont care what you think is just stupid!

If they are not here to hear it then what kind of a Motorcycle Action Group are they? Exactly my point, here is an ACC issue raised by a biker (whom they profess to fight for and represent etc) yet they wont engage the biker community on the biggest open forum for NZ Motorcyclists. They would sooner use Facebook where its all back slapping and hugging and anyone that expresses an opinion they dont like or disagree with is thrown out. I fought their corner on here and got abused to shit for it (mind you some of it was fun) but I cannot understand why they choose to hide from this forum.

Thats my point.....now onto yours

If i was bothered about what you or anybody else thinks about me then your comments are fair.

But Im not so I shall carry on......if you dont like it use the numerous privacy functions available to you, thats the freedom of the interweb net thing rather than bang on at me when quite frankly I couldnt give a rats arse.

Or do you need a hug as well?

xoxoxox

[Ulsterkiwi]

Get over it.....its part of living in our society. I pay taxes and levies for all sorts of shit I dont use and may never use.
i have paid acc levys for the last 38 years, it nearly ruined me the level of tax, acc etc i paid when i was first self employed but thats what it cost. I have paid acc levys on motorcycle regos for the same period. No claims, never thought i ever would. But there you go. It has now paid off, it saved my life and gives me the nessesities i need to stand and walk and go to work and contribute to the acc and tax pool again so that one day you may benefit as i have.
fuck your whinging, try living without the benefits of acc, look how well(not) the system works in the US for all of society

I think this man is better placed than most of us to give some insight into what is being "debated" on this thread.
Do I like paying the $$ I do for the two bikes sitting in the garage right now? Nope.
Do I know that should I need help I will be taken care of? Yep
That's worth a few $$.

Cue the stories of those the system let down, its a system, of course it will let people down, that's life.

[FatMax]

I think this man is better placed than most of us to give some insight into what is being "debated" on this thread.
Do I like paying the $$ I do for the two bikes sitting in the garage right now? Nope.
Do I know that should I need help I will be taken care of? Yep
That's worth a few $$.

Cue the stories of those the system let down, its a system, of course it will let people down, that's life.

Well said sir :clap::clap::clap:

[pritch]

Why when I can only ride one bike at a time do I need pay the acc content of registration for each bike?

Because if you only paid one they wouldn't meet their budget. They did explain that although not many were listening?

[Ocean1]

Because if you only paid one they wouldn't meet their budget. They did explain that although not many were listening?

Which would be fine, if having them arbitrarily charge some of their clients two or three times as much based on their completely irrelevant bike ownership in order for them to make budget was more important to their clients than equitable contributions.

I suspect that for most it's not.

[Luckylegs]

If they are not here to hear it then what kind of a Motorcycle Action Group are they? Exactly my point, here is an ACC issue raised by a biker (whom they profess to fight for and represent etc) yet they wont engage the biker community on the biggest open forum for NZ Motorcyclists. They would sooner use Facebook where its all back slapping and hugging and anyone that expresses an opinion they dont like or disagree with is thrown out. I fought their corner on here and got abused to shit for it (mind you some of it was fun) but I cannot understand why they choose to hide from this forum.

Thats my point.....now onto yours

If i was bothered about what you or anybody else thinks about me then your comments are fair.

But Im not so I shall carry on......if you dont like it use the numerous privacy functions available to you, thats the freedom of the interweb net thing rather than bang on at me when quite frankly I couldnt give a rats arse.

Or do you need a hug as well?

xoxoxox

Me bangin' on. I simply answered your question. I actually agree with your main point about the action part or lack thereof but ho hum. Go choke on a pie im off for a caramel latte!

[FatMax]

im off for a caramel latte!

You'll get fat on them

[Vorno]

If they are not here to hear it then what kind of a Motorcycle Action Group are they? Exactly my point, here is an ACC issue raised by a biker (whom they profess to fight for and represent etc) yet they wont engage the biker community on the biggest open forum for NZ Motorcyclists. They would sooner use Facebook where its all back slapping and hugging and anyone that expresses an opinion they dont like or disagree with is thrown out. I fought their corner on here and got abused to shit for it (mind you some of it was fun) but I cannot understand why they choose to hide from this forum.



Sounds like you want them to come to you - doesn't work like that mate! Try hunting for a woman in the same fashion; it simply won't happen! You got to fight for every freaking inch! And At the end of the day this is a forum, lets be honest - probably not the place you want to go to for a balanced argument! A very varied one certainly, but there are better methods to obtain reliable data (and I agree, Facebook is not one of them). Having said all of this however, they probably play the silent-worm and from time to time, check out some of the things going on here.

If they solely wanted the feedback from a forum arguably their entire website could consist of a single pinned thread.


On an unrelated note, someone close to me in the health profession had this to say (concerning injuries):

"You would not believe the number of ACC claims from motorbike crashes and the substantial long term treatment these people need. It would blow your mind!!!
For example: hospital fees for;

Concussion
Traumatic brain injury
Spinal fractures
Leg fractures
Lung collapse/ puncture
Multi organ damage
ACC payment for lost wages..."

[Maha]

Me bangin' on. I simply answered your question. I actually agree with your main point about the action part or lack thereof but ho hum. Go choke on a pie im off for a caramel latte!

They (MAG) more than likely still hold to the directive that their members should do the work by expressing their concerns via email to TPTB. Being part of the organisation (I use that word loosely) in the past, the frustration levels quickly grew with the lack of protest action, which is primarily the reason it lasted about a year before folded. Some core members got fed up with the lame 'Ride to point A and park up for an hour' carry on. Once a major protest idea was put forward and all of a sudden, it got real.....that's when the committee divided, and subsequently some left as a result.

They will have members that are on here, they always did..MAG also has a KB login though clearly it has not been used for some time. http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/member.php/30760-MAG-NZ-Inc

[Luckylegs]

You'll get fat on them

Too late lol

[russd7]

Someone would crash.

only because they were trying to keep up, now if it wasn't a group ride and as long as they were all taking their cat food seriously then they may make it to the destination without crashing and if they do then it wouldn't be their fault so it would be ok, but only as long as it is not a group ride

[russd7]

For example: hospital fees for;

Concussion
Traumatic brain injury
Spinal fractures
Leg fractures
Lung collapse/ puncture
Multi organ damage
ACC payment for lost wages..."[/I][/COLOR]

yup sounds like any number of sports or activities that people do which most do not pay an acc levy directly associated with.

that being said, i wonder how people would react if we had no ACC and had to pay for insurance to cover, i dare say it would be costing us a whole lot more

[granstar]

off for a caramel latte!

me a pecan butterscotch frosty boy......should I buy a bigger bike?

[Banditbandit]

then there are farm bike injuries-all subsidised by our ACC fees.

Piss off .. when I had a farm I paid an ACC levy on every dollar I earned ... farm accidents, including on bikes, are paid for by farm ACC levies.

Do you think it is only vehicles that have to pay ACC.

Most sport clubs levies include an ACC fee ...

[Black Knight]

Piss off .. when I had a farm I paid an ACC levy on every dollar I earned ... farm accidents, including on bikes, are paid for by farm ACC levies.

Do you think it is only vehicles that have to pay ACC.

Most sport clubs levies include an ACC fee ...

My apologies,I never knew that.-But shirley you don't pay road type ACC levies for your farm bike,and don't get me started on the cost of rugby accidents-and-the number of them annually.