Tyre recommendations for front?

[MrMarko]

Ello,

Put a new rear on the RF oem is a 170 and went to a 180

Giant chicken strips currently due to a screwed front of which i have pushed to a level where i am comfortable with the shape it has to it, not going to dance with the reaper. Its the tyre that was on the bike when i got it and is frankly completely stuffed, still woffable tread but the shape is deadly.

So 2 questions are raised really

1. Do i stick with the 120 front. I threw a Shinko on the rear to give it a try (bloodey good actually)

2. What do i put on the front, i would rather something soft and grippy i'm not fussed if i chew it fast i just want it to stick.


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[TheDemonLord]

I definitely recommend rubber ones.

[MrMarko]

I definitely recommend rubber ones.

For sure.......... :buggerd:

[mossy1200]

Look you overinflated your stinko slick and it developed cracks. You should call that tread.

[AllanB]

120 is stock size for the front. Don't change.

A world of excellent sticky tyres out there for you.

Me - I match brands (Pirelli with Pirelli etc) others don't.

Sport touring or sport - take your pick from the crop of excellent rubber available from the name brands.

[MrMarko]

Look you overinflated your stinko slick and it developed cracks. You should call that tread.

Its only about 150km old

Cant really bitch and moan when it was 190 fitted, i'll put a pirelli or something on next, old rear was so fucked i only rode it to the shop to get rid of it and went what have ya got....

Rear isn't anywhere near as important to me as a front.

[MrMarko]

120 is stock size for the front. Don't change.

A world of excellent sticky tyres out there for you.

Me - I match brands (Pirelli with Pirelli etc) others don't.

Sport touring or sport - take your pick from the crop of excellent rubber available from the name brands.

Yeah i'm trying to narrow it down, looking at metzler pirelli dunlop, all around the same price so was curious as to which people preferred

[Coldrider]

I've had good runs out of S20 (11000ks) and PP3 (12000ks currently and maybe 3000k left) for fronts if that helps, no dramas at all.

[MrMarko]

I've had good runs out of S20 (11000ks) and PP3 (12000ks currently and maybe 3000k left) for fronts if that helps, no dramas at all.

More interested in grip than longevity. if i chew it out in 4,000km i'm not fussed, with how hard i ride all i care about is grip :niceone:

How did you find them for stickability?

needs to be planted at 260+

[Coldrider]

Both are track orientated, very sticky on the road, Drew probably still has S20 on his RF, they are probably perishing now. If you lose either of these on the road you should question your riding.

[MrMarko]

Both are track orientated, very sticky on the road, Drew probably still has S20 on his RF, they are probably perishing now. If you lose either of these on the road you should question your riding.

Sounds good then i'll look into them :niceone:

Cheers!

[Coldrider]

Cycletreads have a blurb on most of the quality tires. Even a PR4 touring tyre should be sure footed on the road. Soft sticky tyres can work against you if the are not ridden hot enough. The worn rubber shreds may not be flicked off and smother the tyre causing it to slip, and the tyre gets the blame, when in reality the rider isn't up to it.

[mossy1200]

More interested in grip than longevity. if i chew it out in 4,000km i'm not fussed, with how hard i ride all i care about is grip :niceone:

How did you find them for stickability?

needs to be planted at 260+

If you wanna be planted at 260+ you should chuck the stinko away get a set of DIABLO SUPERCORSA SP set plus upgrade your rf suspension. 260plus may require work on your motor also.
If your front rim is 3.5inch use 120 tire

[Coldrider]

More interested in grip than longevity. if i chew it out in 4,000km i'm not fussed, with how hard i ride all i care about is grip :niceone:

How did you find them for stickability?

needs to be planted at 260+Where you going to be doing 260plus on a RF? I thought an RF was a heavier bike so you would stick to touring tyres as you would have good heat transfer.

[mossy1200]

https://www.pirelli.com/tyres/en-ww/motorcycle/all-tyres/sheet/diablo-rosso-III

That's likely the most suited set for your bike and what I would run.

[Coldrider]

Might as well go for handgrooved slicks to be safe.

[nzspokes]

If you wanna be planted at 260+ you should chuck the stinko away get a set of DIABLO SUPERCORSA SP set plus upgrade your rf suspension. 260plus may require work on your motor also.
If your front rim is 3.5inch use 120 tire

Would a Stinko even be rated to 200? More likely the standard super optimistic Suzuki speedo.

[pritch]

Me - I match brands (Pirelli with Pirelli etc) others don't.


Me too. There are just too many variables when you mix and match. Some pairings will have exactly the opposite effect to that intended, and some companies (Michelin?) have different profiles for sport and sport touring tyres. Carcass construction makes a big difference too, and there's nothing about that on the tyre.

I like the idea that both of my tyres were designed to work together. And my bike won't even do 260, nor will a lot of others. :whistle:

[MrMarko]

Where you going to be doing 260plus on a RF? I thought an RF was a heavier bike so you would stick to touring tyres as you would have good heat transfer.

Its not too much of a whale but certainly not a superbike....

Uhhhh on a closed private road? the current front is giving me issues in the corners above around the 180-200 mark. :sweatdrop

[mossy1200]

Would a Stinko even be rated to 200? More likely the standard super optimistic Suzuki speedo.

Yeah they will be. They make drag tyres etc and truth is their tyres are likely fairly good now but they don't have a good rep here because they were very budget biscuit wheel tire makers and a joke a while ago. Cheng Shin was the other dreaded tire in the day.

Shinko were using yokohama compounds at one point but its likely they have advanced again since then.

[MrMarko]

Me too. There are just too many variables when you mix and match. Some pairings will have exactly the opposite effect to that intended, and some companies (Michelin?) have different profiles for sport and sport touring tyres. Carcass construction makes a big difference too, and there's nothing about that on the tyre.

I like the idea that both of my tyres were designed to work together. And my bike won't even do 260, nor will a lot of others. :whistle:

Well yes indicated speed.

Frankly when i'm hitting 65 corners at 160+ i need a decent tyre.

[MrMarko]

Yeah they will be. They make drag tyres etc and truth is their tyres are likely fairly good now but they don't have a good rep here because they were very budget biscuit wheel tire makers and a joke a while ago. Cheng Shin was the other dreaded tire in the day.

Shinko were using yokohama compounds at one point but its likely they have advanced again since then.

Rumour has it when yokohama stopped producing bike tyres Shinko bought all of the design/compound info from yokohama...

I read up on them before buying and people worldwide said they were severely under rated so i thought i'd give it a chance, i don't mind the rear letting go its easy enough to settle. the front washing away isn't something i want to fuck about with.

I remember running a shinko geez 8-10 years ago and it was a hard compound bloodey awful but this rear is leaps and bounds ahead of the old shinkos.

[MrMarko]

Would a Stinko even be rated to 200? More likely the standard super optimistic Suzuki speedo.

http://www.shinkotireusa.com/tire/011-verge

Rated to 168mph. (270kph)

[Coldrider]

Last time I looked all of the premium brand fronts hover just over the $200 mark. All the premium brands will do a good job being ZR rated. The only difference being the bragging rights, of how fast you can destroy a tyre, or how far you can get out of one. That tends to change with age.

[MrMarko]

Last time I looked all of the premium brand fronts hover just over the $200 mark. All the premium brands will do a good job being ZR rated. The only difference being the bragging rights, of how fast you can destroy a tyre, or how far you can get out of one. That tends to change with age.

Eventually your luck runs out, i ride well within what i am comfortable with but motorbikers who like to push the limit (by usual standards) generally don't live to be old and wise in my experience. i try be sensible but i don't exactly putter along. I would be naive to not accept the inherent risk that involves.

Like i say, i have no issue spending the money on a premium tyre for the front, however just because it is expensive it doesn't mean it is good.

Prime example being zxr250 with a bridgestone that cost more... didn't really like them, couldn't push them, threw on some dunlop gpr's and never looked back after that... completely uncomparable to the bridgestones.

In saying this i am looking for a good match and i guess i could just get a matching shinko for the front. As in the back of my mind i'm wondering if i have a really grippy front am i going to push it far too hard and lose the back badly rather than a little bit of a slide with it.

The shinko does have a good reputation though apart from the rate at which it wears, but hell bike tires are cheap as chips if i have to spend 700 bucks on a pair every 4000kms frankly its loose change to me. I'm simply after the best tyres for hard street riding.

[eldog]

While brand names offer some hint of performance, it's down to the bike and it's purpose.

i have used Shinko and found they suited the bike when the weather warmed up(it was like night and day) but a heavier bike would have made them perform better as well.

if you chew them out so quick and the cost is peanuts to you, then it won't be long before you will have tried all the brands and tyre models. It will be interesting to see what you find. :niceone: Tyre pressures definetly play a major role.

[Drew]

Both are track orientated, very sticky on the road, Drew probably still has S20 on his RF, they are probably perishing now. If you lose either of these on the road you should question your riding.Still got the S20s on the RF. They're mint. Excellent grip and they last well.


Would a Stinko even be rated to 200? More likely the standard super optimistic Suzuki speedo.
I raced my RF at the Cliffhanger hill climb to second place on a Shinko front that would match Mark's rear. The Bridgestone I had on the rear was the limiting factor. Piece of shit.

Roadrace rubber on the road was all I would ever use. Supercorsa or racetec, nothing else was good enough...or so I thought.

I won a pair of S20s from being nominated on here, so I chucked them on and gave my feedback. It boiled down to this.

"Fuck me these hoops are good. I can't believe the grip and feel from them. The limit is reached when that feel goes away, and the front starts to get vague. Take it to the bank that at the point the front gets vague, very few road riders can see where you're going"


Straight from cold they're fantastic. Great in the wet. And they last very well. I started at the recommended tyre pressures and worked from there. I think 36 at the front and 38 in the rear. Ended up at 32 at the front and 34 at the rear for maximum grip and stability, with no apparent detriment to longevity.

[Drew]

It's only on the track that the S20s start to exhibit their limitations quickly. Think I was two seconds a lap slower on these than on Pilot Race hoops. But it was only a track day on the Bridgestones as opposed to proper racing on the Michies.

The rear would light up off the hairpin (which looks very cool but isn't fast), and the bike was hard to settle through the sweeper.

[OddDuck]

Me too. There are just too many variables when you mix and match. Some pairings will have exactly the opposite effect to that intended, and some companies (Michelin?) have different profiles for sport and sport touring tyres. Carcass construction makes a big difference too, and there's nothing about that on the tyre.

I like the idea that both of my tyres were designed to work together. And my bike won't even do 260, nor will a lot of others. :whistle:

+1, I've always kept tyres as a matched set for this set of reasons.

Further to Drew's comments about the S20 Evo's, I've been running these on the Ducati for the last year and a half. They've been fantastic. Utterly planted, easily the best grip of any tyres I've ever run, although the caveat with that is that I don't have any other experience with the current lineup of road / sport tyres. They wear out about 7,000 kms or so (that's for me, 200 kg bike, not riding anywhere near as hard as some).

[roogazza]

I'm not being a smart arse Marko but I've been looking for somewhere to pop this up !! lol.
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I too have S20s on ,the rear is 4,000kms and is just about out.Might get 6,000 out of the front. (and this ain't scratching,just normal riding.)

[Drew]

There is no need to match tyres provi ding you're not an idiot about it. An aggressive rear profile and a touring front is gonna feel funny, the other way round and you're gonna notice it too but differently.

There are bikes that benefit from that though.

[pritch]

but hell bike tires are cheap as chips if i have to spend 700 bucks on a pair every 4000kms frankly its loose change to me.

We all have our own priorities but I'm having trouble reconciling that sentence with the bike you ride. I'd be expecting something more like a BMW S1000RR. :whistle:

[MrMarko]

We all have our own priorities but I'm having trouble reconciling that sentence with the bike you ride. I'd be expecting something more like a BMW S1000RR. :whistle:

I have a habit of buying cheap ass old bikes, if i go drop 20k on a shiny new thou ill just end up babying it. i really dont care if i total a $800 bike.

The way i see it tyres are your life on a bike.

$700 bucks for decent tyres is worth my life to me. Hence i didn't go spend 3k on a tidy bike i would much rather buy a sad one and put the best tyres, pads etc on it.

Basically i have too many expensive hobbies, so if i go blow too much on a bike then putting expensive tyres on it isn't as viable.

[MrMarko]

There is no need to match tyres provi ding you're not an idiot about it. An aggressive rear profile and a touring front is gonna feel funny, the other way round and you're gonna notice it too but differently.

There are bikes that benefit from that though.

Going to look into what you've recommended as i know you're on the same bike and arn't a sunday stroller

Cheers for advice everybody will do some digging on tyres mentioned. :2thumbsup

[Cosmik de Bris]

There is no need to match tyres provi ding you're not an idiot about it. An aggressive rear profile and a touring front is gonna feel funny, the other way round and you're gonna notice it too but differently.

There are bikes that benefit from that though.

With the Metzler M7RR they reckon the wet weather performance depends on the front clearing the water for the rear, maybe just marketing talk of course.

[Drew]

With the Metzler M7RR they reckon the wet weather performance depends on the front clearing the water for the rear, maybe just marketing talk of course.

How does that work when the front and rear track in a different place when leant over?

Front tyre tread doesn't do a whole lot till there's quite a bit of water. Contact patch is small enough and shaped in a way that naturally clears water. Watch bucket racers on slicks in the pissing rain. It's really impressive.

[pritch]

With the Metzler M7RR they reckon the wet weather performance depends on the front clearing the water for the rear, maybe just marketing talk of course.

It's not necessarily marketing talk, that is how some pairs of tyres are designed to work.

[Moise]

You have to consider the effects of different profiles if you mix and match. A Pilot Power 3 front and RoadSmart 2 rear were fine together as they both have rounded profiles. But replacing the front with a SportSmart didn't work well at all.

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[Drew]

You have to consider the effects of different profiles if you mix and match. A Pilot Power 3 front and RoadSmart 2 rear were fine together as they both have rounded profiles. But replacing the front with a SportSmart didn't work well at all.

Sent from somewhere using Tapatalklike I said. Don't be a retard about it and it's all good. Do the same combo on a Hornet and you speed the steering up nicely.

[mossy1200]

To much thinking. Slow down if you arn't comfortable sliding in the wet. Tyres feel planted until the let go. At some stage they will let go. Best not get to that stage.

[Coldrider]

I measure the performance of my choice of tyres in rain or ice conditions. In the summer, same tyres, performance is a given. In the winter, the tyre temperature has to be kept up, so if you lose confidence and slow down, the tyres cool down and make it worse.

[Drew]

I measure the performance of my choice of tyres in rain or ice conditions. In the summer, same tyres, performance is a given. In the winter, the tyre temperature has to be kept up, so if you lose confidence and slow down, the tyres cool down and make it worse.
Yep, righto Rossi.

[Ocean1]

It's only on the track that the S20s start to exhibit their limitations quickly. Think I was two seconds a lap slower on these than on Pilot Race hoops. But it was only a track day on the Bridgestones as opposed to proper racing on the Michies.

The rear would light up off the hairpin (which looks very cool but isn't fast), and the bike was hard to settle through the sweeper.

Had them out in the wet Drew?

[MrMarko]

Ive never got a tyre up to temp in the wet in my life, on a cold road in winter covered in water id be very suprised if you can actually get enough heat into your tyres to make any difference.

Wet surface perhaps but in rain i doubt it.

[pritch]

[QUOTE=Drew;1131003522] Do the same combo on a Hornet and you speed the steering up nicely.[/QUOTE

A few years back BIKE mag in one of their tyre tests interviewed a Michelin engineer. Their testing had indicated that the various Michelin tyres under test had different profiles. The answer was that yes, the profiles were indeed different. The sports tyres had a sharper profile than the sport touring tyres because the sports bike riders wanted quick steering. Funny thing was that the racing tyres are rounder profile because the racers want precision and consistency.

A less charitable soul than me might conclude that the sharper profile of the sport tyres should be filed under the heading of wank factor. :whistle:

[AllanB]

The way i see it tyres are your life on a bike.



Yet you have come on here telling us of your severely fucked front tyre and budget rear? :facepalm:

[AllanB]

Do the same combo on a Hornet and you speed the steering up nicely.


Agree - I ran a Conti Sport Attack front and Conti Road Attack rear after being recommended this combo some years back by a local tyre guru on my GS1200ss. Worked a treat on a relatively heavy bike. :cool:

[MrMarko]

Yet you have come on here telling us of your severely fucked front tyre and budget rear? :facepalm:

On a bike i've just bought... rode 5km and replaced the rear.

The front is good enough however it is out of shape due to the wear on it.

Hence i'm doing something about it and asking which tyre people think is best for the application so i can change it.

Nothing wrong with the shinko rear at all either the reviews sing praises from everybody apart from their wear rate, hence i bought one to try.

[mossy1200]

A less charitable soul than me might conclude that the sharper profile of the sport tyres should be filed under the heading of wank factor. :whistle:

I like V tyres and I wear them out evenly across the tyre because I don't commute or tour just a few hours on the weekend.
Maybe race riders are harder on the throttle all the time so cant afford to have a smaller contact patch when bike is upright.
That's why they have options for different people.

[Asher]

I always go for ex race tyres or cheap deals so i have been through a fair few number of tyres and have had a chance to try out most new tyres.

The best sports tyres i have tried (in no particular order):
Pirelli Rosso IIs - Now Rosso IIIs
Dunlop Sportsmart2s
Bridgestone S20 Evo - Now S21

All of those are good tyres and will out perform most sports riders, and they all have duel compounds so you can get reasonable milage out of the centers.

Typically every hypersport tyre i have tried i have liked but these will be in order:
Michelin Power Cups
Bridgestone RS10s
Dunlop Q3s
Pirelli Supercorsa SC# and Metzler Racetec RR K# are tied.
I havent tried supercorsa SPs but they are the same as the SC# but with road focused compounds.

[Coldrider]

Yep, righto Rossi.
After 22 brass monkeys via west coast return I know more about rain and ice than if I were to ride round to local 24/7 for a packet of fags.

[AllanB]

On a bike i've just bought... rode 5km and replaced the rear.

The front is good enough however it is out of shape due to the wear on it.



Fucked then. Good to get the entire story. Maybe slow down a bit too!!!!


My Ducati came with Rosso Corsas standard - very sticky.

I've replaced the rear with a Rosso II - very sticky (I can;t tell the difference) the Rosso III is out now and even better. That will go on the front when that wears. Light bike though compared to yours.

[mossy1200]

I havent tried supercorsa SPs but they are the same as the SC# but with road focused compounds.

You should try them. I am never putting anything else on my MV until they revise them.
Funny thing is I am 3.5tho in on a set that still have 60% tread left. I didn't expect them to reach 2tho with the amount of traction they have.
They likely are not great in the wet but neither is my electrics.

[MrMarko]

Fucked then. Good to get the entire story. Maybe slow down a bit too!!!!





I'd already said all that :pinch:

[Coldrider]

After 22 brass monkeys via west coast return I know more about rain and ice than if I were to ride round to local 24/7 for a packet of fags.

Burt munro in seven weeks, same tyres, same road, different temperatures, different experience, oh did I mention same tyres.

[Coldrider]

[QUOTE=Drew;1131003522] Do the same combo on a Hornet and you speed the steering up nicely.[/QUOTE

A few years back BIKE mag in one of their tyre tests interviewed a Michelin engineer. Their testing had indicated that the various Michelin tyres under test had different profiles. The answer was that yes, the profiles were indeed different. The sports tyres had a sharper profile than the sport touring tyres because the sports bike riders wanted quick steering. Funny thing was that the racing tyres are rounder profile because the racers want precision and consistency.

A less charitable soul than me might conclude that the sharper profile of the sport tyres should be filed under the heading of wank factor. :whistle:
The external diameter of both hoops also differs which can raise or lower the steering angle , which some may like, or dislike.

[Ocean1]

You should try them. I am never putting anything else on my MV until they revise them.
Funny thing is I am 3.5tho in on a set that still have 60% tread left. I didn't expect them to reach 2tho with the amount of traction they have.
They likely are not great in the wet but neither is my electrics.

Interesting. Have just had an S20 put on the front of the SDR, will see how that goes for a couple of weeks before I commit to an S20 for the back.

SDR electrics are an absolute hoot in the wet, you can abuse the fuck out of it and it just twitches slightly and carries on.

[MrMarko]

Interesting. Have just had an S20 put on the front of the SDR, will see how that goes for a couple of weeks before I commit to an S20 for the back.

SDR electrics are an absolute hoot in the wet, you can abuse the fuck out of it and it just twitches slightly and carries on.

Well gee wizz mr fancy pants and here i am with carbies and a twisting wrist while you ride an iBike...

doesn't it get boring with the assists?

[mossy1200]

Interesting. Have just had an S20 put on the front of the SDR, will see how that goes for a couple of weeks before I commit to an S20 for the back.

SDR electrics are an absolute hoot in the wet, you can abuse the fuck out of it and it just twitches slightly and carries on.

Its not the traction control etc its the whole electrics lol. My headlight got water inside after its first wet ride. My new headlight seems ok so far.
I really just don't tend to wet ride the MV. I was riding the bandit if it was wet. Hopefully ill have the bandit replacement sorted later this week.

Funny thing is the bandit had a half worn conti motion front which is very budget and never got very warm but it still was ok in the rain even with the rear end very loaded for the cold kiwi last year. Might be im slow rider though.
Was the Kiwi a mud bath again this year?

[Drew]

Had them out in the wet Drew?Yeah mate. Really good, lots of confidence.



A few years back BIKE mag in one of their tyre tests interviewed a Michelin engineer. Their testing had indicated that the various Michelin tyres under test had different profiles. The answer was that yes, the profiles were indeed different. The sports tyres had a sharper profile than the sport touring tyres because the sports bike riders wanted quick steering. Funny thing was that the racing tyres are rounder profile because the racers want precision and consistency.

A less charitable soul than me might conclude that the sharper profile of the sport tyres should be filed under the heading of wank factor. :whistle:The less charitable soul in you isn't taking everything into account. Road versus track. Bike. Pace.

Bottom line, you can't judge what anyone else is running based on your perception or experience.

Interesting that you say the Michie tech reckons race rubber is a rounder profile, because the Pilot Race is the steepest front tyre I've ever had on one of my bikes.

[Ocean1]

Well gee wizz mr fancy pants and here i am with carbies and a twisting wrist while you ride an iBike...

doesn't it get boring with the assists?

No, there's nothing boring about an SDR. They do what it says on the box, when they're turned on, which is mainly to save my arse if I overcook shit.

I don't think it's saved my arse yet. I often ride with the ABS off on the back only, but when that's not the case there's still been numerous times when the back has drifted out a bit, and it's possible that the TC intervened to a small degree on one or more of those occasions and it's possible that may have prevented a highside.

If maybe not leaping into the front of an oncoming truck is boring then you got me.

[Ocean1]

Yeah mate. Really good, lots of confidence.

Good, good. I really liked the OE Dunlops but they didn't have them, so S20s it is.

Asked just because I've had the impression from some sportier tyres, (Diablos in particular) that they've sacrificed cold performance to get the ultimate performance at design temps.

[Drew]

Good, good. I really liked the OE Dunlops but they didn't have them, so S20s it is.

Asked just because I've had the impression from some sportier tyres, (Diablos in particular) that they've sacrificed cold performance to get the ultimate performance at design temps.
Doablos were the last sports touring tyres I rode on before the S20. Was a bloody long time ago, but I thought they were fucken shite. Terrible grip dry or wet. Prolly better now, (Christ knows they can't be worse), I honestly expected the Bridgestones to be the same.

[Ocean1]

Doablos were the last sports touring tyres I rode on before the S20. Was a bloody long time ago, but I thought they were fucken shite. Terrible grip dry or wet. Prolly better now, (Christ knows they can't be worse), I honestly expected the Bridgestones to be the same.

Tyre development over the last 10 years has been amazing. Probably longer. But there's not many products where you see such obvious improvements on such short development cycles. Off for a wee trip south in a couple of weeks, will see how the S20s manage those sharp roads.

[mossy1200]

Good, good. I really liked the OE Dunlops but they didn't have them, so S20s it is.

Asked just because I've had the impression from some sportier tyres, (Diablos in particular) that they've sacrificed cold performance to get the ultimate performance at design temps.

I have noticed when I stop on a cold day expecting to have warm tyres they are a lot hotter than I was expecting. I was all about S20s and before that conti sport attacks but now I am hooked on the Pirelli Supercorsa SP V2. Only down side is they cost a bit.

[Drew]

Tyre development over the last 10 years has been amazing. Probably longer. But there's not many products that where you see such obvious improvements on such short development cycles. Off for a wee trip south in a couple of weeks, will see how the S20s manage those sharp roads.
That shit is hard on any hoops. OAB got less than half the k's out of his S20s than I've had, and mine are still mint.

[Ocean1]

I have noticed when I stop on a cold day expecting to have warm tyres they are a lot hotter than I was expecting. I was all about S20s and before that conti sport attacks but now I am hooked on the Pirelli Supercorsa SP V2. Only down side is they cost a bit.

I check sometimes too. The only things that stood out for me was the Mich PPs seemed more consistent, temp wise. And a bit of rain cools anything down right quick.

How much are the Supercorsas? Not that I should be asking, I'm pinching pennys for a while, income's likely to be up and down a bit...

[Ocean1]

That shit is hard on any hoops. OAB got less than half the k's out of his S20s than I've had, and mine are still mint.

Tell me about it, I trashed a near new PR3 in record time a couple of Burts ago.

[Moise]

I always go for ex race tyres or cheap deals so i have been through a fair few number of tyres and have had a chance to try out most new tyres.

The best sports tyres i have tried (in no particular order):
Pirelli Rosso IIs - Now Rosso IIIs
Dunlop Sportsmart2s
Bridgestone S20 Evo - Now S21

All of those are good tyres and will out perform most sports riders, and they all have duel compounds so you can get reasonable milage out of the centers.

Typically every hypersport tyre i have tried i have liked but these will be in order:
Michelin Power Cups
Bridgestone RS10s
Dunlop Q3s
Pirelli Supercorsa SC# and Metzler Racetec RR K# are tied.
I havent tried supercorsa SPs but they are the same as the SC# but with road focused compounds.

Not sure I'd include Q3s with the hyper sport tyres - possibly somewhere in between? The last set lasted 8,000 km on the R1, although there wasn't much tread left on the rear.

I've just fitted a set of Metzler M7RR, and prefer them to the Q3 for road riding. Even better rear grip and more precise steering. I just hope they heat cycle OK in summer.


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[AllanB]

S21 is out now. Apparently betterer than the S20 and S20 Evo. Apparently.


Are we not blessed for excellent rubber.


I half expected to see recommendations of Pilot Power 2 or 3's given NZ's love of Michelins and they tend to be priced well. Plus the P 2 or 3 rear has a fairly similar tread pattern to the Shinko the OP is running on the rear so may well be a good choice for the front?

[Moise]

The Power 3 front is a good tyre. Hated the rear though - it scared me so much that I replaced it when it was half worn. Had more slides in 4,000 km than all the other tyres I've used in the last 5 years put together.

They get good reviews though. Poor QC perhaps?

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[Ocean1]

S21 is out now. Apparently betterer than the S20 and S20 Evo. Apparently.


Are we not blessed for excellent rubber.


I half expected to see recommendations of Pilot Power 2 or 3's given NZ's love of Michelins and they tend to be priced well. Plus the P 2 or 3 rear has a fairly similar tread pattern to the Shinko the OP is running on the rear so may well be a good choice for the front?

It is an S21 on the SDR now that you mention it.

I tried most of the Michelins, all good, liked the PP3 less, the soft carcase squirming around seemed to obscure actual road surface feedback some.

[Coldrider]

The Power 3 front is a good tyre. Hated the rear though - it scared me so much that I replaced it when it was half worn. Had more slides in 4,000 km than all the other tyres I've used in the last 5 years put together.

They get good reviews though. Poor QC perhaps?

Sent from somewhere using TapatalkPP3 front and rear, on the 2nd one for the rear and a third very soon, I love them. S21's would have to prove themselves for milage before I would consider them.

[Asher]

The Power 3 front is a good tyre. Hated the rear though - it scared me so much that I replaced it when it was half worn. Had more slides in 4,000 km than all the other tyres I've used in the last 5 years put together.

They get good reviews though. Poor QC perhaps?

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Same. Horrible tyre, couldnt take it off quick enough. My mate had trouble with one on his 848 too, left black lines out of most corners.

[mossy1200]

I check sometimes too. The only things that stood out for me was the Mich PPs seemed more consistent, temp wise. And a bit of rain cools anything down right quick.

How much are the Supercorsas? Not that I should be asking, I'm pinching pennys for a while, income's likely to be up and down a bit...

800 odd a set. I don't do huge amount of kms so its not as bad for me. I would likely be forced to change if I was doing 10k plus a year.

[MrMarko]

Really getting somewhere with this thread now, getting into specific tyres and experiance which is what i was after, looks like it will be good info for many riders not just me. :cool:

[Coldrider]

Same. Horrible tyre, couldnt take it off quick enough. My mate had trouble with one on his 848 too, left black lines out of most corners.
Good comments but not validated whether by temperatures, wet or dry, track or road, 800k riding days, bikes loaded with packs or panniers, everyone's riding experience is different. Same tyre in different sizes is a different tyre.

[MrMarko]

Good comments but not validated whether by temperatures, wet or dry, track or road, 800k riding days, bikes loaded with packs or panniers, everyone's riding experience is different. Same tyre in different sizes is a different tyre.

To an extent...

However if that tyre is a 180/70/17 and you replace it with the same of another brand with the same loading and it doesnt slide all over the place im pretty happy to say okay that tyre is garbage.

My rear Shinko hit a slick bit of tarmac mid corner in the wet went sideways for a couple of metres, gripped back up really well and i wasnt exactly crusing....

I hate to say it but i'm actually really impressed with the Shinko thus far. it will be very interesting to see how it wears and how the grip is with a new front on... will take it to the limits and see what it will do.

[Coldrider]

You can read all the advice on here and select a tyre and you can still kiss the tarmac on it. Some guys are talking track time, short summer squires, I am talking extremes of wet and cold, in my experience. When I am riding the last thing I need to worry about is tyres, pads, engine oil, kissing the tarmac, just select a tyre and get out and enjoy the ride, overthink it and the enjoyment is gone. If there is one tyre that hasn't taken anyone down can they name it.

[MrMarko]

You can read all the advice on here and select a tyre and you can still kiss the tarmac on it. Some guys are talking track time, short summer squires, I am talking extremes of wet and cold, in my experience. When I am riding the last thing I need to worry about is tyres, pads, engine oil, kissing the tarmac, just select a tyre and get out and enjoy the ride, overthink it and the enjoyment is gone. If there is one tyre that hasn't taken anyone down can they name it.

I think you and i have very different riding styles.

I'm not out to putter an enjoy the scenery. i want to push limits, i want to improve i want to be faster i want to challenge myself at every bend.

I'm probably a lunatic of some kind. hell my main goal is to eventually run at the IOM before i'm 40.

There is clearly something wrong with me.

I do however require a front tyre that will do the job, i dont need the judgement on my riding i don't need the lecture from anybody, (not aimed at you specifically) what i need is the best product for the task.

Frankly if you're riding along and not thinking about your tyre temp.... did i just go through some mud... water... etc all this has to be taken into account. it isnt overly important for touring.... however when you're pushing limits not thinking about such things would be lethal... and frankly its the only reason i'm still around...

I'll put it down to the fact i'm an adrenalin junkie, i want to push it i want to scare myself. i only want to be faster and faster and gain more skill every time i ride. that is my objective.

Ps. i've been drinking a little hence the vent but it's just the truth. Cue the grammar nazi's

[Coldrider]

The difference between you and I is that you are claiming the way you ride, whereas I am not not. I only do long rides, If I leave Picton at 7am and intend to have my tent pitched by 5pm at the Brass Monkey, I am not saying what is happening in between those events. I am not a fair weather rider.
Also I come from Enduro bikes, full knob lies on wet roads makes for good skills.
Under the tyres section there are plenty of threads about all of these tyres mentioned. I am more than happy with my selection, so much so I am continuing with them. You are yet to make the decision and the outcome is going to take longer.
Why are you concentrating on the front tyre, I would work out what you are going to replace the shinko with, and that would help drive your decision for the front, after all it is normally the rear that is going to take you down first.

[Coldrider]

That shit is hard on any hoops. OAB got less than half the k's out of his S20s than I've had, and mine are still mint.

Those s20s were fitted to your RF 19th June, 2012. Do you nugget the sidewalls or are summers so short.

[gsxr]

I think you and i have very different riding styles.

I'm not out to putter an enjoy the scenery. i want to push limits, i want to improve i want to be faster i want to challenge myself at every bend.

I'm probably a lunatic of some kind. hell my main goal is to eventually run at the IOM before i'm 40.

There is clearly something wrong with me.

I do however require a front tyre that will do the job, i dont need the judgement on my riding i don't need the lecture from anybody, (not aimed at you specifically) what i need is the best product for the task.

Frankly if you're riding along and not thinking about your tyre temp.... did i just go through some mud... water... etc all this has to be taken into account. it isnt overly important for touring.... however when you're pushing limits not thinking about such things would be lethal... and frankly its the only reason i'm still around...



I'll put it down to the fact i'm an adrenalin junkie, i want to push it i want to scare myself. i only want to be faster and faster and gain more skill every time i ride. that is my objective.

Ps. i've been drinking a little hence the vent but it's just the truth. Cue the grammar nazi's

What a read. Some good information from some and a total wankfest from MrMarko
You havnt changed Skidmark apart from you have refined your bullshit.I initially diagnosed you as a pathological liar but
I was obviously wrong as pathological liars tend to be able to keep their story straight and expand on it .
So as you have just got this bike and have done 5km before you changed the rear tyre then I can only assume you have never taken a 65km suggested corner at 160km plus.
As you have had an 8 year break from bikes i suggest your superior belief in your stupid antics and abilities in your last namesake still exist.
And then with one hand you type you want to compete at IOM before your 40.
I dont think its the alcohol. Whether or not your taking your prescribed medication as required that will not get you to the IOM as a competitor. Are you actually totally bereft of the brain cells required to understand what is required.
Good tyres are small change to you but still buy budget tyres. All good
What steps have you made to achieve your dream .So you have a competition license, a fully prepared race bike and proven your worth and now seeking sponsors to help realize your dream.
Apart from the fact there has been excellent input into this thread most of your contributions should go to jokes and humour or PD Just saying. You really havnt changed have you Skiddy

[Moise]

It's also worth remembering that conditions in NZ can be challenging for tyres, especially our poorly maintained coarse chip seal. Contrast that with roads in Europe, where most tyres are developed, and it's surprising that they work as well as they do.

Perhaps some of us would be better off with adventure tyres ... [emoji3]

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[Drew]

Those s20s were fitted to your RF 19th June, 2012. Do you nugget the sidewalls or are summers so short.

I just don't ride that often on the road anymore.

The tyres are still pretty mint and haven't gone hard or cracked. They won't be up to hard charging now though I imagine.

[SVboy]

Whoa GSXR guy! Skidmark returning as Mr Marko! You could be right! Anyway, I loved my S20 s on my GSXR 600. 5000kms of fast road riding and totally toast. After that I had an old set of std Pilot Powers (single Compound) which were great, but completely different feeling to the Bridgestones give the PPs steeper profile and softer sidewalks. 5000kms and rear was toast. Have a set of S21s on now. Initial feelings is they are quite different from the S20s. I have an s21 fr and s20 rear on my DRZ sm. Just on so can't comment. In the past std Pilot powers were perfect for this bike. The rounder profile of the Bridgestones means slower tip in. Had a Pp3 on the back of my FZ1, did not like. The S20 Evos that replaced it where streets ahead IMHO.

[OddDuck]

Good comments but not validated whether by temperatures, wet or dry, track or road, 800k riding days, bikes loaded with packs or panniers, everyone's riding experience is different. Same tyre in different sizes is a different tyre.

Good point, OK, to refine my comments about the S20 Evo's:

Touring in rain - very slight loss of grip, still very confident in the wet
Touring in dry high summer, very hot over the Takaka Hill - absolutely no issues, amazing grip
Track day (only 1 so far) - had it scraping the pegs on up to half throttle, not confident enough yet to bank and nail it, no slip or squirm
Track in wet - don't know yet, haven't tried it
Road slip hazards like manhole covers, gravel, diesel etc - still slippy but the tyres handle it pretty well
Long days - I took Route 52 back after the track day so that should count - still perfect behaviour.
Loaded up bike - can't really comment, 185 kg bike, one up, banana bag and tank bag, that's as heavy as it's ever been. No change in tyre behaviour.

They're amazing all-rounders for a relatively lightweight bike.

[MrMarko]

Whoa GSXR guy! Skidmark returning as Mr Marko!

Seriously, you're that slow?

[MrMarko]

What a read. Some good information from some and a total wankfest from MrMarko
You havnt changed Skidmark apart from you have refined your bullshit.I initially diagnosed you as a pathological liar but
I was obviously wrong as pathological liars tend to be able to keep their story straight and expand on it .
So as you have just got this bike and have done 5km before you changed the rear tyre then I can only assume you have never taken a 65km suggested corner at 160km plus.
As you have had an 8 year break from bikes i suggest your superior belief in your stupid antics and abilities in your last namesake still exist.
And then with one hand you type you want to compete at IOM before your 40.
I dont think its the alcohol. Whether or not your taking your prescribed medication as required that will not get you to the IOM as a competitor. Are you actually totally bereft of the brain cells required to understand what is required.
Good tyres are small change to you but still buy budget tyres. All good
What steps have you made to achieve your dream .So you have a competition license, a fully prepared race bike and proven your worth and now seeking sponsors to help realize your dream.
Apart from the fact there has been excellent input into this thread most of your contributions should go to jokes and humour or PD Just saying. You really havnt changed have you Skiddy


My story straight? okay i'll have to expand this out as you clearly arnt very bright.

I rode 5km.... to the bike store....to change the rear tyre....So i could ride the motorcycle more... as the previous rear was too dangerous.

It wasnt an 8 year riding break at all, that was a lie on my first post on the new account to "fly in under the radar", i just actually have a life away from forum people who say to come to their car yard for peaceful resolution then swing punches at me then ban my account. There was never any silly or idiotic shit when i used to ride. I did the ATNR ride over 50 times, never a single crash from me while everybody else ate a ditch. Every person who was going oh you'll die you'll die you'll be crippled.... is either themselves, dead or a cripple. I'm doing just fine.

I havn't been prescribed any medication since i was 18 which was some ritalin for ADD as a kid... if you really must know?

I havn't made any steps towards it yet beyond improving my riding quietly away from you lot for 6 years. Not a single bin by the way :)

Good tyres are small change to me yet i still buy budget tyres? ahhhhh i see.... cheap tyre = bad tyre and ...expensive tyre must mean good tyre! do you also own a club to smack woman over the head and drag them back to your cave?


It's a dream, everybody has to have dreams.

So if you're done trying to call me out, with all the wrong facts because you seem to have problems reading a simple statement about changing out a rear tyre ... can you fuck off now?

[jellywrestler]

[QUOTE=MrMarko;1131003733 I did the ATNR ride over 50 times, never a single crash[/QUOTE]

are there really people in our country on bikes who actually think that's an acheivement, 50 rides without a crash, fuck that's an eye opener.

[MrMarko]

are there really people in our country on bikes who actually think that's an acheivement, 50 rides without a crash, fuck that's an eye opener.

Seriously that ride had 3 people in a ditch damn near every week.

I was lead rider in the end because everybody had a wah wah that i'd stop to be pointer then work my way to the front again past all these slow fuckers who think they can ride.

[jellywrestler]

Seriously that ride had 3 people in a ditch damn near every week.

.

if that's the people you choose to ride with and improve i'd be running a mile

[MrMarko]

if that's the people you choose to ride with and improve i'd be running a mile

I love how you pulled one sentance from paragraphs and continue to prod at the one snippet.


While ignoring in the very same post that i've ridden alone for 6 years since. :facepalm:

[jellywrestler]

I love how you pulled one sentance from paragraphs and continue to prod at the one snippet.


While ignoring in the very same post that i've ridden alone for 6 years since. :facepalm:

sorry my bad, you spin so much shit it's hard to keep up with it.

[MrMarko]

sorry my bad, you spin so much shit it's hard to keep up with it.

Its not really an issue if you know how to read

Given it was in the exact same post you partially quoted me on.

[jellywrestler]

Seriously that ride had 3 people in a ditch damn near every week.

I was lead rider in the end because everybody had a wah wah that i'd stop to be pointer then work my way to the front again past all these slow fuckers who think they can ride.



While ignoring in the very same post that i've ridden alone for 6 years since. :facepalm:

really it doesn't say that at all ya fucking chimp


Its not really an issue if you know how to read

Given it was in the exact same post you partially quoted me on.
ditto, might add ya fucking nigga chimp, you really are fucked up

[MrMarko]

are there really people in our country on bikes who actually think that's an acheivement, 50 rides without a crash, fuck that's an eye opener.


My story straight? okay i'll have to expand this out as you clearly arnt very bright.

I rode 5km.... to the bike store....to change the rear tyre....So i could ride the motorcycle more... as the previous rear was too dangerous.

It wasnt an 8 year riding break at all, that was a lie on my first post on the new account to "fly in under the radar", i just actually have a life away from forum people who say to come to their car yard for peaceful resolution then swing punches at me then ban my account. There was never any silly or idiotic shit when i used to ride. I did the ATNR ride over 50 times, never a single crash from me while everybody else ate a ditch. Every person who was going oh you'll die you'll die you'll be crippled.... is either themselves, dead or a cripple. I'm doing just fine.

I havn't been prescribed any medication since i was 18 which was some ritalin for ADD as a kid... if you really must know?

I havn't made any steps towards it yet beyond improving my riding quietly away from you lot for 6 years. Not a single bin by the way :)

Good tyres are small change to me yet i still buy budget tyres? ahhhhh i see.... cheap tyre = bad tyre and ...expensive tyre must mean good tyre! do you also own a club to smack woman over the head and drag them back to your cave?


It's a dream, everybody has to have dreams.

So if you're done trying to call me out, with all the wrong facts because you seem to have problems reading a simple statement about changing out a rear tyre ... can you fuck off now?




..........................................<_<

[Maha]

''I did the ATNR ride over 50 times, never a single crash from me while everybody else ate a ditch''

You were banned from that ride Mark, for what reason again?

[Drew]

Didn't I once tell you I was gonna knock you the fuck out Mark?

I remembered who you were and that you were a bit of a bell end back then, but the details are only just coming back to me.

Christ, and now I'm giving you a set of carbs (if you ever give me your address ( or are you worried I'm still massively over angry and gonna come thump you?)). Oh how people change. Quite interesting.

[Drew]

''I did the ATNR ride over 50 times, never a single crash from me while everybody else ate a ditch''

You were banned from that ride Mark, for what reason again?
I was jelly as that he'd been kicked out of a ride and I'd never managed it. Shit, I went on a Motomart ride once with the whole point being to get kicked off. Turned out, they all liked wheelies and skids as much as the next biker. Fucken fun sponges

[MrMarko]

''I did the ATNR ride over 50 times, never a single crash from me while everybody else ate a ditch''

You were banned from that ride Mark, for what reason again?

I was never banned from the ATNR.

Unless i'm getting old and the memory is going on me, you've got far more experiance in that department i think? maybe? i'm not sure?

Has anybody seen my spectacles?

Oh never mind, i am a spectacle.

[MrMarko]

Didn't I once tell you I was gonna knock you the fuck out Mark?

I remembered who you were and that you were a bit of a bell end back then, but the details are only just coming back to me.

Christ, and now I'm giving you a set of carbs (if you ever give me your address ( or are you worried I'm still massively over angry and gonna come thump you?)). Oh how people change. Quite interesting.

See this still lacks enough clarification as to which side of that fence you are now on... did i ever tell you i love you?


I was jelly as that he'd been kicked out of a ride and I'd never managed it. Shit, I went on a Motomart ride once with the whole point being to get kicked off. Turned out, they all liked wheelies and skids as much as the next biker. Fucken fun sponges

Fun sponges :lol:

[Maha]

I was never banned from the ATNR.



Reaching out to hit someones kill switch while passing might have been the catalyst for the QKs?

[MrMarko]

Reaching out to hit someones kill switch while passing might have been the catalyst for the QKs?

LMAO where the hell did you hear that utter tripe? :killingme

[SVboy]

Seriously, you're that slow?
Major lol! Perhaps you are what the forum needs ATM, a massive douche with a know it all attitude. Kind of like Axle, except with a RF 900. Do have to compliment you on your improved English skills, lots of words used already that the old Skiddy would not have understood let alone been able to spell!

[jellywrestler]

Its not really an issue if you know how to read

Given it was in the exact same post you partially quoted me on.


..........................................<_<

i quoted from post number 91, maybe you need to stop repeating yourself?

[MrMarko]

Major lol! Perhaps you are what the forum needs ATM, a massive douche with a know it all attitude. Kind of like Axle, except with a RF 900. Do have to compliment you on your improved English skills, lots of words used already that the old Skiddy would not have understood let alone been able to spell!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5035TY5RSpg

[MrMarko]

i quoted from post number 91, maybe you need to stop repeating yourself?

You really are slow aren't you?

In the original post, from which you took your snippet to which i was referring. The other information was in that exact same post.

Not from what you quoted me on after i replied.

:brick::brick::brick::brick::brick::brick::brick:: brick::brick:

[jellywrestler]

I havn't been prescribed any medication since i was 18 which was some ritalin for ADD as a kid... if you really must know?



great to see you've done three months clean now, well done you.

[MrMarko]

great to see you've done three months clean now, well done you.

I'm about to turn 30 you cunt whistler.

[Drew]

See this still lacks enough clarification as to which side of that fence you are now on... did i ever tell you i love you?



Fun sponges :lol:Do ya feel lucky? Hahahaha. I haven't threatened anyone since I realised I was fucked in the head and got medicated. Nothin' to worry about. Just get them sent to the biggest mother fucker you know if ya want piece of mind.


Major lol! Perhaps you are what the forum needs ATM, a massive douche with a know it all attitude. Kind of like Axle, except with a RF 900. Do have to compliment you on your improved English skills, lots of words used already that the old Skiddy would not have understood let alone been able to spell!
What am I, chopped liver?

Fuck you cunts, I'm practically forgotten these days!

[MrMarko]

Do ya feel lucky? Hahahaha. I haven't threatened anyone since I realised I was fucked in the head and got medicated. Nothin' to worry about. Just get them sent to the biggest mother fucker you know if ya want piece of mind.


What am I, chopped liver?

Fuck you cunts, I'm practically forgotten these days!


The biggest cunt i know would shatter the carbs trying to pick up the box. :lol:

Nah not an organ donor just yet mate, you're a funny cunt so i dont want to german breakfast you.

[MrMarko]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEQZiElLp-E

Can we get back on topic now?

[SVboy]

Mildly interesting tyre thread goes golden in KB shocker! Forum in three way split on S20s, Rosso 3s and hating on Skiddy! How will it all end.....

Sorry Drew, you might be a cunt, but you are a talented rider and racer, and somehow that makes you less of a cunt. Sorry Dude, I don't make the rules.........

[MrMarko]

Mildly interesting tyre thread goes golden in KB shocker! Forum in three way split on S20s, Rosso 3s and hating on Skiddy! How will it all end.....




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jCuSt9MjSY

[Coldrider]

Another Internet dumpster to fill.

[AllanB]

Mildly interesting tyre thread goes golden in KB shocker! Forum in three way split on S20s, Rosso 3s and hating on Skiddy! How will it all end.....

Sorry Drew, you might be a cunt, but you are a talented rider and racer, and somehow that makes you less of a cunt. Sorry Dude, I don't make the rules.........

I agree with all the above.

Welcome back Skidy.

Get the Pirellis (meh - only because I have Pirellis and my bike is better than yours Skiddy :woohoo: )

I find Drew refreshing blunt but respectfully knowledgeable.

Must be time for a group hug?


PS - whats a cunt whistler?

[jellywrestler]

I'm about to turn 30 you cunt whistler.

and i've just lost another hook line and sinker.

[MrMarko]

and i've just lost another hook line and sinker.

I guess you're never getting the rod out eh, should've used a stronger line.

[gsxr]

The biggest cunt i know would shatter the carbs trying to pick up the box. :lol:

Nah not an organ donor just yet mate, you're a funny cunt so i dont want to german breakfast you.

Why do I even bother replying to you . Cos I suppose you are just an obnoxious little cunt as far as Im concerned.

You speeling and gradmas has has improved though.
( Spelling and grammar)

I ride by myself or with a select few mates I trust.
I read Kiwibiker more than I post as sometimes there is some useful and informative information.
I have ridden motorcycles now for 45 years although not everyday. My racing time on motor cycles only spanned 8 years however my actual racing career ( time spent actually trying to be competitive) spanned 30 plus years involved 22 of which were of 4 wheeled variety.
So WHAT really fucks me of is tossers like you that think they know it all and have done the odd track day as you say ( whether you have or not I dont know) and got your knee down .
Its tossers like you that come on here seeking attention that get to me. Like taking 65km corners at 150km plus.
Unless you ride that road regularly and know it well and the capabilities I at best can only call you either a liar , a wanker or someone with a death wish.
Sure it is (reasonably safe) to take posted recommended corners at twice the posted limit but whats around the corner.
There is information on the good old interweb wanktube for you garner knowledge or just pop down to your local bike shop and ask what is the best pairing of tyres for this old shitter that will make me invincible approaching 3 times the posted recommended and then they can have a laugh at you as I do TOSSER.
Go racing and prove your worth as tyres are just small change to you.
Some that may or may not exceed the speed limit or in well in excess of the posted recommended speed do not post up
their exploits or indiscretions for obvious reasons unlike you for the wank factor.
As for my initial quote from you there arre many that are no longer posting on here and some that still do think your a CUNT>
You really havnt changed much and I doubt you will . Just saying

[SVboy]

Why do I even bother replying to you . Cos I suppose you are just an obnoxious little cunt as far as Im concerned.

You speeling and gradmas has has improved though.
( Spelling and grammar)

I ride by myself or with a select few mates I trust.
I read Kiwibiker more than I post as sometimes there is some useful and informative information.
I have ridden motorcycles now for 45 years although not everyday. My racing time on motor cycles only spanned 8 years however my actual racing career ( time spent actually trying to be competitive) spanned 30 plus years involved 22 of which were of 4 wheeled variety.
So WHAT really fucks me of is tossers like you that think they know it all and have done the odd track day as you say ( whether you have or not I dont know) and got your knee down .
Its tossers like you that come on here seeking attention that get to me. Like taking 65km corners at 150km plus.
Unless you ride that road regularly and know it well and the capabilities I at best can only call you either a liar , a wanker or someone with a death wish.
Sure it is (reasonably safe) to take posted recommended corners at twice the posted limit but whats around the corner.
There is information on the good old interweb wanktube for you garner knowledge or just pop down to your local bike shop and ask what is the best pairing of tyres for this old shitter that will make me invincible approaching 3 times the posted recommended and then they can have a laugh at you as I do TOSSER.
Go racing and prove your worth as tyres are just small change to you.
Some that may or may not exceed the speed limit or in well in excess of the posted recommended speed do not post up
their exploits or indiscretions for obvious reasons unlike you for the wank factor.
As for my initial quote from you there arre many that are no longer posting on here and some that still do think your a CUNT>
You really havnt changed much and I doubt you will . Just saying

Summed up nicely Sir!

[awayatc]

MrsMarko is pretty good at getting under people's skin....

Probably only talent she has got..

[Drew]

Oi. The RF isn't a shitter.

[MrMarko]

Why do I even bother replying to you . Cos I suppose you are just an obnoxious little cunt as far as Im concerned.

You speeling and gradmas has has improved though.
( Spelling and grammar)

I ride by myself or with a select few mates I trust.
I read Kiwibiker more than I post as sometimes there is some useful and informative information.
I have ridden motorcycles now for 45 years although not everyday. My racing time on motor cycles only spanned 8 years however my actual racing career ( time spent actually trying to be competitive) spanned 30 plus years involved 22 of which were of 4 wheeled variety.
So WHAT really fucks me of is tossers like you that think they know it all and have done the odd track day as you say ( whether you have or not I dont know) and got your knee down .
Its tossers like you that come on here seeking attention that get to me. Like taking 65km corners at 150km plus.
Unless you ride that road regularly and know it well and the capabilities I at best can only call you either a liar , a wanker or someone with a death wish.
Sure it is (reasonably safe) to take posted recommended corners at twice the posted limit but whats around the corner.
There is information on the good old interweb wanktube for you garner knowledge or just pop down to your local bike shop and ask what is the best pairing of tyres for this old shitter that will make me invincible approaching 3 times the posted recommended and then they can have a laugh at you as I do TOSSER.
Go racing and prove your worth as tyres are just small change to you.
Some that may or may not exceed the speed limit or in well in excess of the posted recommended speed do not post up
their exploits or indiscretions for obvious reasons unlike you for the wank factor.
As for my initial quote from you there arre many that are no longer posting on here and some that still do think your a CUNT>
You really havnt changed much and I doubt you will . Just saying



Um.

I wasn't talking to you, i was joking with Drew.

Just saying. :tugger:

[MrMarko]

Seeing as you went to such effort though i'll try clear this up.


Why do I even bother replying to you . Cos I suppose you are just an obnoxious little cunt as far as Im concerned. Sounds like i remind you of yourself?

You speeling and gradmas has has improved though.
( Spelling and grammar) Thanks for clearing that up with the brackets.

I ride by myself or with a select few mates I trust.What do you want a cookie?

I read Kiwibiker more than I post as sometimes there is some useful and informative information. Again would you like a cookie?

I have ridden motorcycles now for 45 years although not everyday. My racing time on motor cycles only spanned 8 years however my actual racing career ( time spent actually trying to be competitive) spanned 30 plus years involved 22 of which were of 4 wheeled variety. Congratulations? a cookie perhaps?

So WHAT really fucks me of is tossers like you that think they know it all and have done the odd track day as you say ( whether you have or not I dont know) and got your knee down . It fucks you off because you've raced so much you must be a better driver/rider than somebody who has raced less? There is a thing called natural talent maybe you have it may you don't? With such an aggro attitude you don't seem like you have enough of a level head to succeed in racing

Its tossers like you that come on here seeking attention that get to me. Like taking 65km corners at 150km plus. Says the person who until this point in the post has done nothing but wank on about themselves? So many cookies are in front of you at this point i may as well call you Santa. It's not mentioned for wank wank factor. It was mentioned so people could ascertain what i required in a tyre for my use of it, why get the wrong tyre that gets me killed because i sat and lied on the internet about how i intend to ride with the tyre?


Unless you ride that road regularly and know it well and the capabilities I at best can only call you either a liar , a wanker or someone with a death wish. Twice a day for 8 years

Sure it is (reasonably safe) to take posted recommended corners at twice the posted limit but whats around the corner. Nothing, it's called a pair of eyes and judgement.


There is information on the good old interweb wanktube for you garner knowledge or just pop down to your local bike shop and ask what is the best pairing of tyres for this old shitter that will make me invincible approaching 3 times the posted recommended and then they can have a laugh at you as I do TOSSER. Well i was actually keen to start a discussion on it where people who ride in new zealand could advise what tyres work for the unique climate and surfaces we have in NZ, oh i'm sure they laugh behind my back, most people do, it doesnt really bother me what anybody thinks of me, i'm merely asking for some input regarding tyre choices. Good work with the upper case tosser thrown on the end it really adds such impact to your statement :tugger:

Go racing and prove your worth as tyres are just small change to you. I will be

Some that may or may not exceed the speed limit or in well in excess of the posted recommended speed do not post up
their exploits or indiscretions for obvious reasons unlike you for the wank factor. Oh we're covering this again, not wank wank, being honest about the performance level of the tyre i require


As for my initial quote from you there arre many that are no longer posting on here and some that still do think your a CUNT>
You really havnt changed much and I doubt you will . Just saying I think you've spent so long on race bikes you've forgotton how to look in a mirror.



Just sayin' :rolleyes:

[MrMarko]

MrsMarko is pretty good at getting under people's skin....

Probably only talent she has got..

MrsMarko?

How is that soft tail harley?

I'm single so that would be MsMarko to you.

[pritch]

A young bloke with a diagnosable disorder might attract a sympathetic response and elicit a degree of tolerance. The same behaviour from someone appraoching thirty is just tiresome. Or in this case tyresome?

Have your reacations slowed in your old age or can you still stop from 100kph in two metres? :whistle:

[MrMarko]

A young bloke with a diagnosable disorder might attract a sympathetic response and elicit a degree of tolerance. The same behaviour from someone appraoching thirty is just tiresome. Or in this case tyresome?

Have your reacations slowed in your old age or can you still stop from 100kph in two metres? :whistle:

I got some pretty damn good reactions to that one ;)

HA! tyresome... i see what you did there.

Is my Autism going to wear off soon? that would be wonderful instead of having it my whole life against my will. I take it you like trump too? seeing as you judge people on things beyond their control?

[SVboy]

Yeah, yeah, blame the condition, not the fuckwit.

In other non-Skidmark news, I had a chance to use the Bridgestone S 21f, S20r around Lyttleton harbour/ diamond harbour/ Gebbies Pass today. This is a shitty, tight poorly surfaced road that is not that fast. Fine for the motard. Really impressed so far. The front gave great confidence as it started to load up and the shallow profile of the tyres meant stability and a very controllable tip in. Quite different to steep profile Mitchelins or metzelers. Bump absorption was good given the heavy carcass and solid sidewalls. I may take a bit of front comp out to further aid this compliance.
The bike held a line really well and was very stable mid corner, although that should be the case on matching new tyres. The softness of the outer compounds was quite noticeable once I got a bit of heat in them, although grip from cold and in the wet seems good (given I am the slowest rider in the world in the wet!)

[MrMarko]

Yeah, yeah, blame the condition, not the fuckwit.



What an utter moron. :laugh:

[OddDuck]

Is my Autism going to wear off soon? that would be wonderful instead of having it my whole life against my will.

High functioning? Aspergers? What's the situation, and just how badly messed up is your life?

[MrMarko]

High functioning? Aspergers? What's the situation, and just how badly messed up is your life?

Hit the nail on the head.

I'm a bit special :drool:

[SVboy]

What an utter moron. :laugh:


An RF with a shinko on the back and a worn out mis matched front and you say I am the moron! Best up your meds, or better still, finish your katana! LOL!

[MrMarko]

An RF with a shinko on the back and a worn out mis matched front and you say I am the moron! Best up your meds, or better still, finish your katana! LOL!

Am i doing nothing avoid said worn out tyre? because the initial purpose of this thread was to establish which would be the best tyre to fit.

Katana is long gone.

[Luckylegs]

Am i doing nothing avoid said worn out tyre? because the initial purpose of this thread was to establish which would be the best tyre to fit.

Katana is long gone.

You could have visited every farkin tyre store in the north island in the time its taken us to get to this point and asked them, but hey this is far more entertaining

[MrMarko]

You could have visited every fukin tyre store in the north island in the time its taken us to get to this point and asked them, but hey this is far more entertaining

Eyeroll. i got my answer pages ago,

[SVboy]

Eyeroll. i got my answer pages ago,

Well fuck off then, and let the adults talk.

[MrMarko]

Well fuck off then, and let the adults talk.

Its my fucking thread lol :killingme

[Coldrider]

Its my fucking thread lol :killingme
No body knows where my Shinko has gone, said Front tyre has gone the same time, It's my party and I'll cry if I want to, cry if I want to....

[OddDuck]

Hit the nail on the head.

I'm a bit special :drool:

I'm not going for it. Asperger's / HFA would have gone into obsessive detail about tyres and would have kept the thread about tyres. If there were arguments, they'd have been about tyres.

Loads of this thread is about your ego and being top dog. Aspies wouldn't give a shit. They'd care very deeply about the truth... in this case, concerning tyres. They'd want the whole tyre, all of the tyre, and nothing but the tyre.

Incidentally, back to tyres, I saw that my local dealership was doing a 40% off deal on sets of S20 Evo's, I guess it's a runout thing to make way for S21's. This is probably happening in a few places (this was TSS, Lower Hutt), if you're shopping, might be worth asking before booking the job in.

[MrMarko]

I'm not going for it. Asperger's / HFA would have gone into obsessive detail about tyres and would have kept the thread about tyres. If there were arguments, they'd have been about tyres.

Loads of this thread is about your ego and being top dog. Aspies wouldn't give a shit. They'd care very deeply about the truth... in this case, concerning tyres. They'd want the whole tyre, all of the tyre, and nothing but the tyre.

Incidentally, back to tyres, I saw that my local dealership was doing a 40% off deal on sets of S20 Evo's, I guess it's a runout thing to make way for S21's. This is probably happening in a few places (this was TSS, Lower Hutt), if you're shopping, might be worth asking before booking the job in.

Well when you've had 16 years since being diagnosed to work on it you learn to control yaself a lot.

Why would i sit here and make that up about myself? :rolleyes:

Just because people with asperger's get fixated and obsessed on certain hobbies etc it does not mean when i want a tyre i want to know absolutely everything there is to know about tyres.

Perhaps you've watched too much shortland street, that chick was more of an Asparagus.

[Coldrider]

If your 30 and at the peak of your racing career and throwing it all in to compete at the IOM trolling to the 0.025% of motorcyclists in NZ of which 0.00000001% might agree with you wouldn't be your best effort going forward. Sounds more like someone who has abandoned their dream and is nutting off.
With people I know that have ADD or autism, Aspey etc the word I find that defines is 'inflexibility'.

If you need sponsorship or more loose change as even the very best do you don't need a trail of shit floating around to contradict yourself.

I had S20's as standard on my bike and rear won't last trip down south and home.

[pritch]

If your 30 and at the peak of your racing career and throwing it all in to compete at the IOM .
Hello I musta missed something, and I sure as Hell aren't going back over this whole festering mess of a thread. My understanding was that you can't just enter the IoM TT, you have to qualify here? You need to have a CV with some sort of credibility and MNZ need to back the entry? Or something?

[OddDuck]

Well when you've had 16 years since being diagnosed to work on it you learn to control yaself a lot.

Why would i sit here and make that up about myself? :rolleyes:

Just because people with asperger's get fixated and obsessed on certain hobbies etc it does not mean when i want a tyre i want to know absolutely everything there is to know about tyres.

Perhaps you've watched too much shortland street, that chick was more of an Asparagus.

Well... OK then, two options:

1: you aren't shitting me, you really have been diagnosed with Asperger's / HFA, and struggle daily with the endless misunderstandings and general bullshit that goes with it.

2: you are shitting me, and you're using this as a generic catch all get out of jail free card for trolling relentlessly on the internets, getting attention because, well, just because. If so, then my responding to you is simply feeding the troll.

I'm more inclined to go with 2, because the last line is designed to both insult and elicit a response - classic troll behaviour. As for controlling yourself... are you kidding me. Read the damn thread again, look at how much self control is on display.

In either case you've managed to piss off a lot of people in a very short time. Aspie / HFA or not, that is not intelligent behaviour to indulge in, it might be fun (or saying you're right all the time) in the here and now but in the long run you are going to make life very hard for yourself.

If you need help, having friends counts. Think about it.

[OddDuck]

I had S20's as standard on my bike and rear won't last trip down south and home.

Oops, I mean S20 Evo's. I've never had the S20's - apparently they had appalling mileage - but the Evo's have been alright.

[Coldrider]

I think you and i have very different riding styles.

I'm not out to putter an enjoy the scenery. i want to push limits, i want to improve i want to be faster i want to challenge myself at every bend.

I'm probably a lunatic of some kind. hell my main goal is to eventually run at the IOM before i'm 40.

There is clearly something wrong with me.

I do however require a front tyre that will do the job, i dont need the judgement on my riding i don't need the lecture from anybody, (not aimed at you specifically) what i need is the best product for the task.

Frankly if you're riding along and not thinking about your tyre temp.... did i just go through some mud... water... etc all this has to be taken into account. it isnt overly important for touring.... however when you're pushing limits not thinking about such things would be lethal... and frankly its the only reason i'm still around...

I'll put it down to the fact i'm an adrenalin junkie, i want to push it i want to scare myself. i only want to be faster and faster and gain more skill every time i ride. that is my objective.

Ps. i've been drinking a little hence the vent but it's just the truth. Cue the grammar nazi'sthere is a huge difference to what comes from the mouth and what comes from the keyboard, one you might have less control over, the other you have total control.

[MrMarko]

Hello I musta missed something, and I sure as Hell aren't going back over this whole festering mess of a thread. My understanding was that you can't just enter the IoM TT, you have to qualify here? You need to have a CV with some sort of credibility and MNZ need to back the entry? Or something?

Its fine you didn't read the whole thread as even when i contain it all in one post saying it a goal to reach by 40 and to race in nz first, people don't read that.

all they do is read IOM and go ahahaha dreamer...

He who chases his dreams has far more chance of achieving them than somebody who would never have the balls to do it sitting at a desk laughing at somebody who want to achieve a goal.

Will i make it who knows, as Mumma Gump always said, life is like a box of chocolates.

If i do will i die there? probably.

Aim high. :headbang:

[MrMarko]

Well... OK then, two options:

1: you aren't shitting me, you really have been diagnosed with Asperger's / HFA, and struggle daily with the endless misunderstandings and general bullshit that goes with it.

2: you are shitting me, and you're using this as a generic catch all get out of jail free card for trolling relentlessly on the internets, getting attention because, well, just because. If so, then my responding to you is simply feeding the troll.

I'm more inclined to go with 2, because the last line is designed to both insult and elicit a response - classic troll behaviour. As for controlling yourself... are you kidding me. Read the damn thread again, look at how much self control is on display.

In either case you've managed to piss off a lot of people in a very short time. Aspie / HFA or not, that is not intelligent behaviour to indulge in, it might be fun (or saying you're right all the time) in the here and now but in the long run you are going to make life very hard for yourself.

If you need help, having friends counts. Think about it.


Both 1 and 2 apply, yes its true, you'll find most times a forum troll is somebody with asperges.

It boils down to the fact we have never been accepted by anybody, all we ever wanted was to be normal, but every asshole has to judge has to be a cunt, it's the old, fuck it if ya can't beat em join em.

When i first joined KB i had nothing but good intentions to learn and be social, i very quickly learnt that people will rip you to absolute shreds for being the young fella, the new guy, throw on top of that the social problems of autism...

We are products of our environments, skidMark was moulded by KB...

It was either be me and constantly be ripped to shit, or go fuck it i'll give it back just as good.

People are always questioning, is my post serious, is it a troll, is this guy really like this?

I'll never tell. :bleh:

People can abuse me they can insult me they can say whatever the hell they like on here, nothing has EVER genuinely got to me, its just water off a ducks back. You'll never please everybody, but hey at least i have the balls to sit here and say this, it isn't some excuse to go oh you have to like me because it isnt my fault wahhh, i'm man enough to say, this is how i am this is who i am. If you don't like me, so what? why would i care what anybody else thinks of how i live my life? What some mean words on the internet are going to actually effect my real life?

A bunch of people on the internet want to rip me some shit? My entire life from the age of 8 being treated for clinical depression, Aspergers , ADD. Being pumped full of pills because they didn't know what was wrong with me, it took them until i was 16 to actually diagnose me as aspergers (an expert from the states flew in and i was the first diagnosed case of aspergers in NZ) I was the guinea pig. Pumped full of every skitzophrenic bipolar etc med you can imagine through my teenage years until they could figure out what was actually wrong with me.

people want to talk about struggle? about how hard they've worked to get where they are, i was told my whole life i wasn't normal, i could never be normal, i could never live out of home, i could never drive a car, nor maintain any friendship or relationship.

I proved them wrong on EVERY SINGLE COUNT.

So really guys, you think some words on the internet will stop me, all you do is make me push harder, i love nothing more than achieving what i'm told i never can.

Right that clears that out, questions from the audience? want to rip on the retard some more?



The less fucks you give the happier you will be.

[Drew]

That's all very interesting and shit.

Did you get a new front tyre yet?

[Stu999c]

I did.....


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[mossy1200]

Thread was better when people were talking tyres.

[WristTwister]

Matching front and rear is the easiest pair-up.

[Drew]

Matching front and rear is the easiest pair-up.

Doesn't mean it'll be a good pair up. The RF is a heavy beast, with lazy geometry. (Fixed with a gixxer thou shock)

Mines a bit of an enigma though. I run a 190/55 rear to get some extra speed from side to side too.

[AllanB]

Doesn't mean it'll be a good pair up. The RF is a heavy beast, with lazy geometry. (Fixed with a gixxer thou shock)

Mines a bit of an enigma though. I run a 190/55 rear to get some extra speed from side to side too.

Interesting. Stock was a odd 170/60. 180/55 most common to fit I presume. So you the slight squishing of the 190 onto the 5.5 inch rim to give it a more pointy profile for quicker cornering?

Bit like the 180/60 rears fitted to lots of Ducatis.


Sorry about getting back to tyres ......

[Drew]

Interesting. Stock was a odd 170/60. 180/55 most common to fit I presume. So you the slight squishing of the 190 onto the 5.5 inch rim to give it a more pointy profile for quicker cornering?

Bit like the 180/60 rears fitted to lots of Ducatis.


Sorry about getting back to tyres ......
I think it'd be fucken horrible on standard size hoops. Can't say for sure, I chucked a 180/55 supercorsa at it the day I picked it up.

[Drew]

Next time it's on the track it'll be wearing a 200 section slick.

[AllanB]

Next time it's on the track it'll be wearing a 200 section slick.

Steady Drew - you are one step away from this......

[Drew]

Steady Drew - you are one step away from this......

I figure that if supersport bikes do it on 5.5 inch rims, it's worth a shot. I'll prolly raise the front a bit for it though...and finally check to see if the linkage isn't the wrong way round under the shock.

[eldog]

Steady Drew - you are one step away from this......

Bless the good ol USA.

plenty of nice straight roads over there.

almost looks back to front. But I like it though.:psst:

[Jin]

I think it's best to not mix brands as they are designed to work together. On the street michelins front tyre edge is gone but unused strip on the rear while it's opposite on pirelli/metzelers. My experience anyways. Prefer michelins for street last longer and turn quicker given the steeper profile. I know few guys using pp3 front and pr4 rear which gives nice balance of grip and mileage.

[Drew]

I think it's best to not mix brands as they are designed to work together. On the street michelins front tyre edge is gone but unused strip on the rear while it's opposite on pirelli/metzelers. My experience anyways. Prefer michelins for street last longer and turn quicker given the steeper profile. I know few guys using pp3 front and pr4 rear which gives nice balance of grip and mileage.

The difference in unused tyre surface has more to do with how you ride than whether they're a matched set.

[AllanB]

I went through quite a few sets of hoops on my Hornet - always changed as a matching same brand set. I did notice some tyres I'd use all the rear rubber some tyres I did not - same bike, same rider, same roads, same speeds.

Mind you I also notices that all 180's are not created equal - the narrowest was a mm or so under 180, the widest pushing 190.

Yeah I know, it's a weird thing to measure ..........

Incidentally the 180/60/17 Pirelli Diablo Rosso II on the back of my Ducati measures 189 mm on a 5.5 inch rim with 35 psi in it.......

The Front 120/70/17 Diablo Rosso Corsa measures 117 mm.

Exciting stuff.

I bet 30% of you now head off and measure yours ...... it's better than watching TV.

[Jin]

The difference in unused tyre surface has more to do with how you ride than whether they're a matched set.
You read that in a book somewhere mate?

[Drew]

You read that in a book somewhere mate?

I rarely get to the edge of my tyres, I get along OK. Know slower dudes on the same hoops that have no chicken strips.

[Moise]

I rarely get to the edge of my tyres, I get along OK. Know slower dudes on the same hoops that have no chicken strips.
Sorry, you've lost me.

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[SVboy]

Drew is saying its possible to get through corners faster carrying less lean through careful line selection. Big lean does not always translate to big corner speed.

[mossy1200]

Maybe if I let 5pounds out of my tires mine will go away.

The last 3mm seem to be needing a track day on the back.

[EJK]

Maybe if I let 5pounds out of my tires mine will go away.

The last 3mm seem to be needing a track day on the back.

You need to gas out more! Tear them supercorsas a bit harder :D

[AllanB]

Maybe if I let 5pounds out of my tires mine will go away.

The last 3mm seem to be needing a track day on the back.

At least you've worn off the letters on the outer edges .... :innocent:

I'm going with my superior corner lines equating to the remaining 'safety strips' .... yeah

[mossy1200]

You need to gas out more! Tear them supercorsas a bit harder :D

Believe it or not that's 3700km so far on those tyres. Im thinking my suspension works well and im running a good pressure in them.
I have traction control set on race. Not sure if it is doing anything during corner exit or not but I do try murder the tyres a bit but im not very good at it I think.

[Moise]

You should be able to slide the back a little with the TC set to race. That should scuff them up nicely!

What is the bike?

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[mossy1200]

You should be able to slide the back a little with the TC set to race. That should scuff them up nicely!

What is the bike?

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Agusta F4.
Hard to tell its already lifting the front up out of corners now. Never had so much grip from a tyre before normally I would destroy a rear in 2.5
It could be I got old and slow feels fast now.

[Moise]

Probably because the tyre is gripping so well, it's not sliding or spinning, therefore not wearing as quickly?

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[Cosmik de Bris]

Probably because the tyre is gripping so well, it's not sliding or spinning, therefore not wearing as quickly?

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Some context would be nice.

[Moise]

Context is the preceding posts about a set of Supercorsa.

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[Autech]

Drew is saying its possible to get through corners faster carrying less lean through careful line selection. Big lean does not always translate to big corner speed.

Surely not! Lean angle is everything! That's what a lot of road riders seem to think anyways. If someone could show me a way to get less lean angle on any bike but go as fast (or faster) sign me up! Drew may be a cunt but he's knowledgeable cunt.

Haven't ridden on the road properly in a few years but from memory I did roll quite far over on the Rosso II's on my gixxer (fantastic tyre btw). Would be interesting to see how my riding might have changed after a few years strictly track riding.

[Drew]

Surely not! Lean angle is everything! That's what a lot of road riders seem to think anyways. If someone could show me a way to get less lean angle on any bike but go as fast (or faster) sign me up! Drew may be a cunt but he's knowledgeable cunt.

Haven't ridden on the road properly in a few years but from memory I did roll quite far over on the Rosso II's on my gixxer (fantastic tyre btw). Would be interesting to see how my riding might have changed after a few years strictly track riding.
One of two things seems to happen when returning to the road. You'll be smoother and faster but more safe at the same time. Or you've been track riding a big bike, and you'll try and square corners off and dangerous as fuck.

[Moise]

The fastest cornering lines aren't always the safest, especially apexes. Sometimes the centre line is not where you want to be on RH corners, and you can reduce your vision through the corner if you go too tight on a left corner.

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[Drew]

The fastest cornering lines aren't always the safest, especially apexes. Sometimes the centre line is not where you want to be on RH corners, and you can reduce your vision through the corner if you go too tight on a left corner.

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[actungbaby]

Doablos were the last sports touring tyres I rode on before the S20. Was a bloody long time ago, but I thought they were fucken shite. Terrible grip dry or wet. Prolly better now, (Christ knows they can't be worse), I honestly expected the Bridgestones to be the same.

Depends on the bike the raials know heaps better than crap croos plys i rode on . it depends on the bike and prefences too

No not sexuall prefence tire doh ... liked the pirelli rear on the vfr 750 was worn down felt great /

s 20,s on the cbr 900rr well i think the bike is light but feels un flexiable good other wise . doesint have that feel what rear doing of the vfr

Had a shinko fitted after never had any issue but not as good as feel as the previous pireli cheaper but wore out faster.

[MrMarko]

Went with a pirelli super corsa, will get it on and scrubbed in this week and see how i get on with it.

[AllanB]

Street legal racing tyre.

Rosso Corsa or Rosso II or III would have done ya proud.

[pritch]

A wise man told me that the more honest you are with yourself as to how you want to use your tyres the better service you will get from them.

Mark may not have been very honest with himself but as another wise man said, "Better to have more rubber than you need than need more rubber than you have".

Which is fine - until it rains... :whistle:

[Moise]

A wise man told me that the more honest you are with yourself as to how you want to use your tyres the better service you will get from them.

Mark may not have been very honest with himself but as another wise man said, "Better to have more rubber than you need than need more rubber than you have".

Which is fine - until it rains... :whistle:
Yeah. :)

The Supercorsa SP is the hard compound version and should be fine for road use. Would still be good to take it easy when it's wet though.

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[mossy1200]

Yeah. :)

The Supercorsa SP is the hard compound version and should be fine for road use. Would still be good to take it easy when it's wet though.

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Mines not bad in wet but if you want ride very hard wets not a good time to do it on the road.
That back tyre wouldn't be a great wet weather road tyre also.

[MrMarko]

Mines not bad in wet but if you want ride very hard wets not a good time to do it on the road.
That back tyre wouldn't be a great wet weather road tyre also.

Exactly...

Nz road quality in the wet / the road in general is no place to push limits...

For me its about seat time and learning.

I'm not out riding to soak in scenery nor pretend i'm Valentino Rossi.

[Drew]

Had the wheels out of my old girl the other day. The Bridgies are pretty much rooted. Really evenly worn from chicken strip to chicken strip.

Think I'll give the newer version of the same a go.

[Owl]

Think I'll give the newer version of the same a go.

You looking at the S21's? Got them on the 1290 and love them.

[SVboy]

I really like the s21s. Be interesting to see what Drew thinks if he goes that way.

[Jin]

Anyone tried the s21 and m7rr?

[Drew]

There would have needed to be a retardation if the new one isn't as good as the old one.

I'm not really looking for an improvement, S20s did more than I wanted them to do.

[Coldrider]

Exactly...

Nz road quality in the wet / the road in general is no place to push limits...

For me its about seat time and learning.

I'm not out riding to soak in scenery nor pretend i'm Valentino Rossi.260kph on the road falls into what category? No body whinges about their front tyre grip, only the rate that it drops in.

[Moise]

Anyone tried the s21 and m7rr?
You mean S21 front and M7RR rear? Not sure why you'd do that.

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[AllanB]

You mean S21 front and M7RR rear? Not sure why you'd do that.

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Agree. M7RR appears to be a very good tyre - do the same on the front.

[Moise]

They are very good tyres - the only downside so far is you corner faster!

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[SVboy]

There would have needed to be a retardation if the new one isn't as good as the old one.

I'm not really looking for an improvement, S20s did more than I wanted them to do.

I think the advantage will be the S21s last longer. (I hope!)

[MrMarko]

260kph on the road falls into what category? No body whinges about their front tyre grip, only the rate that it drops in.

Yeah because you all obey the letter of the law 100% all the time right? :laugh:

[MrMarko]

I went past akzle in his magna pulling well over 200 clicks and stuck my head up at him....

Now he wont reply my pm's :laugh:

i miss him.

[Owl]

the only downside so far is you corner faster!

And the price.;)

[MrMarko]

And the price.;)

I think i'd rather pay the extra for a decent tyre than end up with a totalled bike injured/ dead to save 50 bucks.

[Coldrider]

Yeah because you all obey the letter of the law 100% all the time right? :laugh:

As Akzle would put it, you have to be caught to pay jew-gold.

[Jin]

You mean S21 front and M7RR rear? Not sure why you'd do that.

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nah i have a set of m7rr atm just wondering how the s21 compares

[Moise]

Motorrad mag (German, doh) compared sports tyres last year and rated the S20 Evo and M7RR very close. The M7RR wore less, but maybe the S21 has closed the gap now.

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[Moise]

And the price.;)
You can get a set for about $500 depending on the rear size. Given that they wear better than most other sports tyres, that's not bad value.

[Owl]

You can get a set for about $500 depending on the rear size. Given that they wear better than most other sports tyres, that's not bad value.

Fair enough. I've only seen the M7RR's for $600+, so I'll stick with the S21's.

[MrMarko]

Fair enough. I've only seen the M7RR's for $600+, so I'll stick with the S21's.

Seriously?

It's chicken shit, you're talking a couple of tanks of gas difference.

[Moise]

Fair enough. I've only seen the M7RR's for $600+, so I'll stick with the S21's.
How long do they last on the KTM?

The M7RR looks to be wearing very nicely on the R1. I've only done about 1,500 km so far, so too early to predict tyre life. Definitely less than 1mm of wear on the rear.

[Owl]

How long do they last on the KTM?

Last S21 rear did 5500km which was about 500km too far. Front, not sure yet but I tend to get good life from fronts. PP3 front lasted 15.5k, so I'd expect at least 11k from the S21.

[Ocean1]

Last S21 rear did 5500km which was about 500km too far. Front, not sure yet but I tend to get good life from fronts. PP3 front lasted 15.5k, so I'd expect at least 11k from the S21.

About what I was getting from the OE Dunlops. Those PP3s have fucking deep tread about the middle though, eh?

Nice fresh S21s on both ends as of this am.

[Coldrider]

5000ks from S21s would give me a return trip to the burt, a rolling smoky down Dee Street, and a handful of keyboard warrioring, I'll stick to my slippery rear PP3. Hey MrMarko, your rear shinko is only a 4 minute burnout to oblivion. You know you want to, and when done you can match it to your Shiney new front so that what takes you into a corner can drive you out. It's only two spots from going cold turkey for a couple of days.

[AllanB]

5000 km is about it on most of the stickier black donuts. Fit. Enjoy.

[Coldrider]

PP3 front and rear now required, 7ks rear, 16k front, play it again sam

[Owl]

PP3 front and rear now required, 7ks rear, 16k front, play it again sam

Boyds have a special on PP3 sets....$419 including 180/55, 190/50 and 190/55.

[Coldrider]

Boyds have a special on PP3 sets....$419 including 180/55, 190/50 and 190/55.

That's good, cycletreads have $429, but I need to do it this week.

[Moise]

There's a new Power RS out, which might by why the PP3 is cheaper.

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[Owl]

There's a new Power RS out, which might by why the PP3 is cheaper.

Exactly right.:yes:

[Coldrider]

That's good, cycletreads have $429, but I need to do it this week.

Bought them from Boyds, Cycletreads advertising was/is dodgey/misleading.

[lenzod3]

Dunlop Q3 tires are a good choice also. They are very sticky and warm up fast.

[gsxr]

Thread dredge.
Did Mark make the wrong tyre choice and meet his inevitable demise.
Kinda miss him . He was always good for a laugh

[Drew]

Thread dredge.
Did Mark make the wrong tyre choice and meet his inevitable demise.
Kinda miss him . He was always good for a laugh

He started talking shit again and tapped it after being called on it.

[gsxr]

Aww He must have gone soft in advanced 20s . Shit previously went straight over his head.
You have to admit some of his posts were funny in a sad kind of way .

[EJK]

Aww He must have gone soft in advanced 20s . Shit previously went straight over his head.
You have to admit some of his posts were funny in a sad kind of way .

Yeah. It was like watching Dr Phil, Jeremy Kyle and Judge Judy all combined.