Where are the police and camera vans?

[Moise]

In the last couple of months, I've seen almost no cops or camera vans, even on SH1 from Auckland to Hamilton.

Is it just me, or is this a trend?

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[kiwithor]

There's a couple of regular spots north of Silverdale.

South of the toll just past the scanner in behind the barrier.

Northbound prior to the Puhoi tunnel bridge as you're coming down the hill.

Another one northbound between Silverdale and Millwater.

[Madness]

It's just you. SH1 Bombay through Mercer is currently being heavily patrolled, possibly in light of a number of recent crashes caused by fucktards.

[Moise]

That's OK then, I thought maybe they were slacking.

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[caspernz]

Hasn't really changed by what I've observed. Mind you, have you noticed the vans have changed to a less obvious VW version? And the variety of parking spots has grown.

On average the Auckland-Hamilton jaunt it's unusual to see less than 6 cars/vans in the speed control mode, that is 24/7. What is most amusing though is how a good number of police cars seem to struggle to make it to the speed limit on the open road or motorway, thus creating a mobile chicane which actually hinders traffic flow. One could almost be forgiven for assuming it's policy to roam around doing 85-90 km/h when on speed patrol duties...:(:rolleyes:

[eldog]

Must get very tedious driving over the same stretch of road, day in and out. Witnessing the carnage and dealing with the general high level of public intellect.

once they check my rego and breath test, they often just pass to the next one.

[Bassmatt]

They have had to get rid of 10% of the vehicle fleet due to budget stagnation. Probably why you not seeing many cops sitting on the side of the road.

[Madness]

And the variety of parking spots has grown.

Ohinewai Tahuna Road is no longer pest free, for example.

[Scuba_Steve]

Did a new donut shop open up maybee???


#stereotypes!

[WNJ]

Ohinewai Tahuna Road is no longer pest free, for example.

Tell me about it :motu: I live 2 mins from ( Te Hoe ) about half way through that track, have to go semi slowish now :lol: :killingme

[WNJ]

One parks under Lake Road bridge Heading South just before Horitiu , most evenings when I head to work

[HenryDorsetCase]

Cuntingly McCuntingdon & Co sent me a fucking $80 camera van fine which arrived yesterday. Fucking cunts. fuck.

[Scuba_Steve]

Cuntingly McCuntingdon & Co sent me a fucking $80 camera van fine which arrived yesterday. Fucking cunts. fuck.

burn em, burn em with fire; tis the only way!

[PrincessBandit]

...have you noticed the vans have changed to a less obvious VW version?:

Yes. Balu commented just the other day (we've done a lot of trips down through the Waikato lately) that "gee, the police must've done a new deal with Volkswagon judging by their latest picture takers". Have to look a bit harder for them too. Seen plenty of cars caught by patrol cars too. No bikes pulled over though :wari:

[Moise]

Hasn't really changed by what I've observed. Mind you, have you noticed the vans have changed to a less obvious VW version? And the variety of parking spots has grown.

On average the Auckland-Hamilton jaunt it's unusual to see less than 6 cars/vans in the speed control mode, that is 24/7. What is most amusing though is how a good number of police cars seem to struggle to make it to the speed limit on the open road or motorway, thus creating a mobile chicane which actually hinders traffic flow. One could almost be forgiven for assuming it's policy to roam around doing 85-90 km/h when on speed patrol duties...:(:rolleyes:
I do that trip regularly and often don't see any. There's usually an unmarked car north of the Bombay's, haven't seen one for weeks. Occasionally I might see a car between Pokeno and Hampton Downs, but that's about it.

I didn't know they'd changed the camera vans. But a VW van isn't a common sight. They'd make a killing if they used older Jap people movers.

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[caspernz]

Ohinewai Tahuna Road is no longer pest free, for example.

Ditto for SH39, albeit just temporary for ski bunny season...


I do that trip regularly and often don't see any. There's usually an unmarked car north of the Bombay's, haven't seen one for weeks. Occasionally I might see a car between Pokeno and Hampton Downs, but that's about it.

I didn't know they'd changed the camera vans. But a VW van isn't a common sight. They'd make a killing if they used older Jap people movers.

Yeah well, all I can say is Auckland to Hamilton (and beyond) is part of my normal travels on a 24/7 basis. Haven't seen a drop off in police presence...

No need for the boys in blue to use older Jap people movers...after all you'd missed the VW change :laugh:

[Moise]

Hard to notice a change in the camera vans when you don't see any. ☺

Must just be when I've been traveling then. I'll be going down twice in the next week, so will see what I find then.



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[HenryDorsetCase]

Clearly they are all in the South Island. One was parked outside the St Martins Scout hall this morning. Fuckery.

[awayatc]

They'd make a killing if they used older Jap people movers.


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They are making a killing allready...

NZ allready leads the way in number of speed tickets issued per capita...

Last year over $30.000.000 by speed cameras alone
And that was down over $5.000.000 on the year before.

Great racket...

[HenryDorsetCase]

They are making a killing allready...

NZ allready leads the way in number of speed tickets issued per capita...

Last year over $30.000.000 by speed cameras alone
And that was down over $5.000.000 on the year before.

Great racket...

I feel much safer knowing that a sleeping policeman will send me some unsolicited spam snail mail with an invoice in it three weeks after an alleged offence was committed. Its road safety in action. or inaction, if you will.

but won't someone think of the children?

[Moise]

Road deaths for 2016 are about 20 up on the same period last year. If this trend continues, it will the 3rd year in a row with a significant rise.

It appears that increased revenue from speed cameras correlates with more fatalities!

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[jafar]

Seen a few plods in non Holden cars too. Toyota & hyundai seem to be getting a run.
More cars with laser fitted too.

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[Oakie]

Seen one on my commute twice in the last week. Same place as he has been for a couple of years now though so always on guard.

[Akzle]

I feel much safer knowing that a sleeping policeman will send me some unsolicited spam snail mail with an invoice in it three weeks after an alleged offence was committed. Its road safety in action. or inaction, if you will.

but won't someone think of the children?

i do, think of the children.

which is why i don't kow tow to teh goverment or it's stasi.

as a professional jew, you should really be doing more.

[Akzle]

They are making a killing allready...

NZ allready leads the way in number of speed tickets issued per capita...

Last year over $30.000.000 by speed cameras alone
And that was down over $5.000.000 on the year before.

Great racket...

dude. safety and shit.

[awayatc]

Ahhhh.....

Explains the saying "there is safety in numbers"......

[Moise]

Travelled to Te Awamutu last week, and saw a police car! He'd pulled over a light truck near Mercer.

Still no speed camera vans. Maybe they've stopped using them on the Auckland motorways because it's usually impossible to speed???

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[awayatc]

Found one...

Or should I say

she found me ?

Roads are still infested I'm afraid

[roogazza]

South side of Palmy Nth , Opiki Wednesday the 5th, Dark blue VW van.
My V1 picked him quite late, with the reduced signal they put out these days. :eek:

Also watch Hw 57 ,Lasers switching off and on Nth of Levin.V1 gets them from up to 2kms :shifty:

[Voltaire]

Cuntingly McCuntingdon & Co sent me a fucking $80 camera van fine which arrived yesterday. Fucking cunts. fuck.

But think of all the times you exceeded the legal limit and did not get a fine:msn-wink:

[jasonu]

But think of all the times you exceeded the legal limit and did not cause mass road carnage or burst into flames:msn-wink:

Fixed it...

[Moise]

South side of Palmy Nth , Opiki Wednesday the 5th, Dark blue VW van.
My V1 picked him quite late, with the reduced signal they put out these days. :eek:

Also watch Hw 57 ,Lasers switching off and on Nth of Levin.V1 gets them from up to 2kms :shifty:
Maybe we should start a thread?

There was a police checkpoint FB page, but I'm not sure if it's still going. I found out about it when the police put out a statement saying how irresponsible it was. I think the page likes went through the roof after that!

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[roogazza]

Maybe we should start a thread?
There was a police checkpoint FB page, but I'm not sure if it's still going. I found out about it when the police put out a statement saying how irresponsible it was. I think the page likes went through the roof after that!
The switching off and on is called 'instant on' I am told, but yeah bit late posting days after huh ?
Personally using the V1 is mainly for identifying 'hazards' when overtaking lol.
Getting up it can see you doing 140 in seconds. Which is go to jail don't collect $200 territory.

[Akzle]

Maybe we should start a thread?

There was a police checkpoint FB page, but I'm not sure if it's still going. I found out about it when the police put out a statement saying how irresponsible it was. I think the page likes went through the roof after that!

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Navfree GPS app for gayPhones and gaydroid. has live reporting of.. ehh. problems.

probably little use on teh bike unless you have it in your ear. and dictate any stasi you see. or stop (hahahahah) to input...

[Moise]

The switching off and on is called 'instant on' I am told, but yeah bit late posting days after huh ?
Personally using the V1 is mainly for identifying 'hazards' when overtaking lol.
Getting up it can see you doing 140 in seconds. Which is go to jail don't collect $200 territory.
Yeah, that's the main reason I run one in the car. I don't use it on the bike as I just cruise on infested roads, and have most of my fun in places where you never see the police.





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[roogazza]

Yeah, that's the main reason I run one in the car. I don't use it on the bike as I just cruise on infested roads, and have most of my fun in places where you never see the police.


I do the same,in my Falcooon I'm just about asleep or not far off, its big and RED,easy to spot. So I run the V1 in that. Cruise control until I come across petrified motorists doing 85-90kmph.
The bike, I seem to be alive and alert.I cruise to where I can ride in a way like.(and have always done).
It's the game we play huh ?

[Gremlin]

Turangi to Auckland, Sunday afternoon 1700 to 2100 on main highways... yep, unusually quiet considering it was end of school holidays. One cop hunting on the open road, one speed van just north of Meremere in his usual spot behind that outcropping of hillside

[Hads]

Sometimes stuck behind a cop car on the morning commute from Akaroa to Christchurch. I would like it if they focused more on those red light runners.

[R650R]

I always find this amusing, that if ONE individual person doesn't see cops on the road during THEIR specific journey then there's nil enforcement happening....

Jesus Christ you oughta hear the CB radio when cops transiting between Tokoroa-Tirau areas. Their out pillaging truckers for cash cause there's no way their on the road fort other legitmate reasons like going to interview witnesses, attend domestics or burglaries, reinvestigate last nights crash scenes etc.... *said with sarcasm*

Police are patrolling secondary and side routes more these days so are often maybe just ahead of you turning around to do a lap of the block etc.
One thing for sure is you'll never actually spot the one that's going to give you a tiket til its too late ;)

[Mike.Gayner]

One thing for sure is you'll never actually spot the one that's going to give you a tiket til its too late ;)

A good radar detector sure helps though.

[WNJ]

Not vans, but saw 4 cops at different points of my 45 min round the block run bout 11 this morn between Ohinewai ~ Tahuna then home again, :eek5:

[rastuscat]

Sometimes stuck behind a cop car on the morning commute from Akaroa to Christchurch. I would like it if they focused more on those red light runners.

I did that as the OIC of the Intersection Safety Team from 2008 to 2012. The extra funding from NZTA finished in 2012.

So i left.

[Moise]

Not vans, but saw 4 cops at different points of my 45 min round the block run bout 11 this morn between Ohinewai ~ Tahuna then home again, :eek5:
Four seems a bit excessive!

Ive done a couple of trips to the Waikato in the last week, and have seen a couple of patrol cars, plus a bike. Still no vans though.

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[jasonu]

A good radar detector sure helps though.

So does keeping your speed under 103kms.

[caspernz]

Four seems a bit excessive!

Ive done a couple of trips to the Waikato in the last week, and have seen a couple of patrol cars, plus a bike. Still no vans though.

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Sunday evening run Auckland to Hamilton return, total of 7 cars and 3 vans, that's just on open road. They're still out there...

[roogazza]

So does keeping your speed under 103kms.

I thought it was 9 km tolerance and 4 kms when more money was required on holidays ?

Well if ya look at the figures, we're on for a record year of deaths.Third in a row with increases !
Humans huh, who woulda thought?
Time to look at the causes of accidents,conditions of roads etc then ?????? :(

[Moise]

We've already passed the 2013 total. No comments from NZTA or the police about the reasons. Police chases? Tourist drivers?

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[caspernz]

Fuel prices have been low, driver numbers keep going up and standards seem to keep declining. Can't fix that with just policing...:no:

[Hads]

I did that as the OIC of the Intersection Safety Team from 2008 to 2012. The extra funding from NZTA finished in 2012.

So i left.


That could explain then why it is so much worse in Christchurch. On Carmen road nearly every set of lights someone runs the red.

[Swoop]

We've already passed the 2013 total. No comments from NZTA or the police about the reasons. Police chases? Tourist drivers?

You need to have your hearing checked, since you appear to not be listening to the gubbinment propaganda... "Speed kills".

Nothing else.
Just speed.

:wacko:

[awayatc]

I thought it was 9 km tolerance and 4 kms when more money was required on holidays ?

Well if ya look at the figures, we're on for a record year of deaths.Third in a row with increases !
Humans huh, who woulda thought?
Time to look at the causes of accidents,conditions of roads etc then ?????? :(

Somebody please shoot police policy makers....

[Akzle]

Somebody please shoot police policy makers....

that would be teh government.

ready when you are cap'

[awayatc]

that would be teh government.

ready when you are cap'

Wonder how many would fail breathalyzer after lunch...?

Surely no sober being could come up with such anal crap....

[Akzle]

Wonder how many would fail breathalyzer after lunch...?

Surely no sober being could come up with such anal crap....

all on your tab, too. damn decent of you, citizen.

neither sobriety or intelligence are requisite, by all accounts. the jobs so easy it can be done in your sleep...
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[IkieBikie]

Fuel prices have been low, driver numbers keep going up and standards seem to keep declining. Can't fix that with just policing...:no:

More trucks on the road?

Have a look at the deaths on the road that involve trucks

Two trucks together today

[jonnyk5614]

Ditto for SH39, albeit just temporary for ski bunny season...


Yeah - that took me by surprise as I wound the 'busa up to 103kph in anticipation of another fun quarterly SH39 run. A camper coming the other way trying to make his headlights look like a Calvin Harris gig. Sure enough, round the next corner - unmarked plod chilling by the road. 3 kms later, orange marked plod coming t'other way.

Thanks camper dude :D

[Old Steve]

Well if ya look at the figures, we're on for a record year of deaths. Third in a row with increases !(

Um, what do you mean we're on for a record year? Look at 1973, 843 deaths. That sounds more like a record than a mere 300 odd.

So there have been increases from 2013 to this year, but 2013 was 55 down on 2012, 31 down on 2011, and a whopping 122 down on 2010.

So go back six years instead of only three years and there's not been a rise at all, just a variable decrease. Go back a bit more, 2003 / 461, 1997 / 539, 1991 / 650. Even more of a decrease. So there's been a bit of a rise between 2013 and 2016, but 2015 was lower than any year from 2010 back to 1953.

If you're going to make statements, do some research. I remember the horrendous road tolls when I was in my late teens and 20s. And there were fewer cars, trucks and tourists on the road back then too.

[Scuba_Steve]

Um, what do you mean we're on for a record year? Look at 1973, 843 deaths. That sounds more like a record than a mere 300 odd.

So there have been increases from 2013 to this year, but 2013 was 55 down on 2012, 31 down on 2011, and a whopping 122 down on 2010.

So go back six years instead of only three years and there's not been a rise at all, just a variable decrease. Go back a bit more, 2003 / 461, 1997 / 539, 1991 / 650. Even more of a decrease. So there's been a bit of a rise between 2013 and 2016, but 2015 was lower than any year from 2010 back to 1953.

If you're going to make statements, do some research. I remember the horrendous road tolls when I was in my late teens and 20s. And there were fewer cars, trucks and tourists on the road back then too.

You are right, safe vehicle saturation pretty much peaked arround 2013; unless someone comes up with the next big thing in vehicle safety we shouldn't expect to see any significant decrease anytime in the near future

[Akzle]

I remember the horrendous road tolls when I was in my late teens and 20s. And there were fewer cars, trucks and tourists on the road back then too.

so basically what you're saying is that the problem is your generation :laugh: and that stats are improving as y'all die off.

i couldn't agree more...

[roogazza]

Um, what do you mean we're on for a record year? Look at 1973, 843 deaths. That sounds more like a record than a mere 300 odd.

So there have been increases from 2013 to this year, but 2013 was 55 down on 2012, 31 down on 2011, and a whopping 122 down on 2010.

So go back six years instead of only three years and there's not been a rise at all, just a variable decrease. Go back a bit more, 2003 / 461, 1997 / 539, 1991 / 650. Even more of a decrease. So there's been a bit of a rise between 2013 and 2016, but 2015 was lower than any year from 2010 back to 1953.

If you're going to make statements, do some research. I remember the horrendous road tolls when I was in my late teens and 20s. And there were fewer cars, trucks and tourists on the road back then too.

It was a piss take at the powers that be Shirley ! They always crow about reducing the toll.
As you can see,I was only quoting the last few years. 325103

[5ive]

so basically what you're saying is that the problem is your generation :laugh: and that stats are improving as y'all die off.

i couldn't agree more...

It's only because young people these days are so lazy.

[Night Falcon]

I've developed software that reveals in real time the location of every speed camera in the country on any given day. I'm thinking of making it available fee on the internitz, only thing is it doesn't work :bleh:

[Krayy]

On the North Island 800 we saw probably 5 vans and about 9 cops, not counting the 20 or so that were at Kawhia harbour for that fugitive.

one on Oto/Ngarawahia road and 2 vans on the Kaimais along with 3 patrols (killjoys), one on Tauranga/Awakere rd and the other between Taupo and Turangi.

Perhaps they are ring fencing the Waikato to protect the rest of us?

[Moise]

On the North Island 800 we saw probably 5 vans and about 9 cops, not counting the 20 or so that were at Kawhia harbour for that fugitive.

one on Oto/Ngarawahia road and 2 vans on the Kaimais along with 3 patrols (killjoys), one on Tauranga/Awakere rd and the other between Taupo and Turangi.

Perhaps they are ring fencing the Waikato to protect the rest of us?
Sounds like they may even be targeting the more dangerous stretches of roads?

I haven't seen a camera van on an Auckland motorway for a while now, probably because travelling at 100 is just about impossible. :)

[Swoop]

Auckland SH16.
New one on Old North Rd.
Just before Old Railway Rd.

[Moise]

I saw 4 cop cars between Mercer and Drury yesterday. Obviously targeting the tourists as they were hiding up the on ramps and one was on the median after the corner at the north end of the Mercer straight.

Why aren't they patrolling more dangerous places at this time of year? No wonder the holiday road toll is so high.

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[Akzle]

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Why aren't they patrolling more dangerous places at this time of year? No wonder the holiday road toll is so high.


except that the police's effect on road toll is <0. any stretch of road is dangerous if you're a fuckwit.

[SVboy]

except that the police's effect on road toll is <0. any stretch of road is dangerous if you're a fuckwit.

I imagine you would find the road an especially dangerous place then!

[aws]

I don't have a huge problem with policing of bad driving and dangerous speeding, however some of their actions make it hard to respect them. We traveled east along SH2 on Boxing Day and saw about 4 cops on the new section of highway between Mangatawhiri and Maramarua. Probably the newest and safest section of SH2 and the only place we saw cops. And worst of it was the 2 we saw lasering westbound cars as they exited the passing lanes by the golf club. If that isn't revenue gathering then I don't know what is. These cars have just put up 18km of 90kph Stupider Speed Zone then have their first short chance to overtake the laggards, and the cops want to ping people coming off the passing lane onto a perfectly safe section of highway. And they wonder why people have a lack of respect...

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[awayatc]

They stoped wondering and worrying about that quite a while ago.

Comes a point where you can't sink deeper.

[Akzle]

I imagine you would find the road an especially dangerous place then!

not for the last few decades

[Akzle]

I don't have a huge problem with policing of bad driving and dangerous speeding, however some of their actions make it hard to respect them. We traveled east along SH2 on Boxing Day and saw about 4 cops on the new section of highway between Mangatawhiri and Maramarua. Probably the newest and safest section of SH2 and the only place we saw cops. And worst of it was the 2 we saw lasering westbound cars as they exited the passing lanes by the golf club. If that isn't revenue gathering then I don't know what is. These cars have just put up 18km of 90kph Stupider Speed Zone then have their first short chance to overtake the laggards, and the cops want to ping people coming off the passing lane onto a perfectly safe section of highway. And they wonder why people have a lack of respect...

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i was actually impressed. i've seen a few signs up "look for motorcyclists they're hard to spot" and "traffic following? pull left" and something in the paper "dont speed up in the RH on passing lanes or you're a fucking cunt"(sic)

but fucked if i know the last cunt actually ticketed for impeding or failing to keep left.

[R650R]

I saw 4 cop cars between Mercer and Drury yesterday. Obviously targeting the tourists as they were hiding up the on ramps and one was on the median after the corner at the north end of the Mercer straight.

Why aren't they patrolling more dangerous places at this time of year? No wonder the holiday road toll is so high.

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Only four? Some of them musty be on holiday then. Sounds completely normal for that route if a bit light actually.

Strangely it is a dangerous place, manyhave died over the years along there. It makes sense, high traffic volume, easy to 'spot the one not behaving like the others' (wether its speed or crap driving) and also safe stopping and turning opportunities for cop and offender.
Doesn't it make sense to stop offenders before they get to the 'bad' roads??????

Really if your attracting attention in a motorway environment soemthigns wrong with your driving. And if your a smart cookie their hiding places are evry obvious.....

[Moise]

Only four? Some of them musty be on holiday then. Sounds completely normal for that route if a bit light actually.

Strangely it is a dangerous place, manyhave died over the years along there. It makes sense, high traffic volume, easy to 'spot the one not behaving like the others' (wether its speed or crap driving) and also safe stopping and turning opportunities for cop and offender.
Doesn't it make sense to stop offenders before they get to the 'bad' roads??????

Really if your attracting attention in a motorway environment soemthigns wrong with your driving. And if your a smart cookie their hiding places are evry obvious.....
I'm very familiar with that section of SH1 and they weren't where people have died, just the places where they can hide and catch the unwary tourists.

They must be some of the worst road cops in the country. A few weeks ago I was travelling south just past the Bridge to Nowhere. There was a cop driving north with his lights on. He must have done a U-turn at the bridge, because he then passed us going south at about 160 km/h. A few minutes later, we passed him by Hampton Downs where he had pulled someone over.

My guess is he'd clocked someone travelling south, did a U-turn, then chased them at way over 100 km/h until catching them at Hampton Downs.

Now if Joe Public did those sort of speeds, it would be called incredibly dangerous and a threat to other road users. But it's OK if a cop does it???

Sorry about the rant, but I know someone who was directly affected when a cop doing a U-turn on a blind hill near Te K killed a motorcyclist a few years back.

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[rastuscat]

After many years of defending road policing on here, I've now had 18 months to look at the situation from the other side.

When in the Police you think you are doing good stuff to reduce the risk of crashes, and the impact of crashes.

In the last 18 months I've been commuting to and from work and doing quite a few km on the open road.

I pretty much stick to the rules, but far more because it's a good idea, rather than any perceived influence of the Police. There are days when I stray from the straight and narrow, but generally not so.

Potentially I suspect that because I'm pretty much a goodie two shoes I just don't have to worry about the Police.

I actually have a great deal of sympathy for those who live in the paranoia that is displayed on here. It can't be fun.

Meantime, I don't feel that Police have much influence on my riding. I'm on the north side of Christchurch, and pretty much all the cops in Christchurch hang out on the East.

[george formby]

After many years of defending road policing on here, I've now had 18 months to look at the situation from the other side.

When in the Police you think you are doing good stuff to reduce the risk of crashes, and the impact of crashes.

In the last 18 months I've been commuting to and from work and doing quite a few km on the open road.

I pretty much stick to the rules, but far more because it's a good idea, rather than any perceived influence of the Police. There are days when I stray from the straight and narrow, but generally not so.

Potentially I suspect that because I'm pretty much a goodie two shoes I just don't have to worry about the Police.

I actually have a great deal of sympathy for those who live in the paranoia that is displayed on here. It can't be fun.

Meantime, I don't feel that Police have much influence on my riding. I'm on the north side of Christchurch, and pretty much all the cops in Christchurch hang out on the East.

I'm generally Captain Sensible and the Feds don't really register on my radar, either. I did have a wee chuckle t'other day following a Fed. He was quite a few vehicles ahead of me and disappeared off up an overtaking lane which snakes up a hill, funnily enough. Close to the top of the hill is a road which provides a view of the highway below......

When I reached the overtaking lane I gave the bike a good squirt, clear the plugs you know, until I caught up with another vehicle. Due to a number of considerations I chose to sit behind them at about 80kph. My lucky day.. As I come around the corner who do I see sat at the ridge road junction... Yup, the Sheriff. They gave me a good stare and pulled out on their merry way. I can only assume I looked like a good candidate for a pull. Not that day, though. Sorry. Smart bit of observation from the Feds I thought. That stretch of road can be a bit of a race track and it would have been a justified pull had I a #46 on my helmet.

[Swoop]

My guess is he'd clocked someone travelling south, did a U-turn, then chased them at way over 100 km/h until catching them at Hampton Downs.

Now if Joe Public did those sort of speeds, it would be called incredibly dangerous and a threat to other road users. But it's OK if a cop does it???

A friend was a motorway cop a few years back. They were quite open about the fact that "counting to twenty" before hitting the lights and sirens was normal practice. As a confirmed petrolhead, this cop was enjoying the chase and ability to speed whenever they could (and get paid to do so).
If they lost the person, "meh, another will be along soon".

[rastuscat]

A friend was a motorway cop a few years back. .

One of my early lessons in the job 2as not to sweat it if a roadent (a road rat) got away, as karma says they'll come back soon enough.

In fact, it's one of the things senior cops say to young cops. Young cops tend to get all wound up when someone gets away. Older cops tend to be far more relaxed about it.

It's a penis thing.

[R650R]

About 7 of them in my suburb 9am this morning... including one parked on my lawn with siren blaring while they tooled up and got spikes ready.
Was already awake and about so enjoyed the free entertainment. :)

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503462&objectid=11775684

[Moise]

A friend was a motorway cop a few years back. They were quite open about the fact that "counting to twenty" before hitting the lights and sirens was normal practice. As a confirmed petrolhead, this cop was enjoying the chase and ability to speed whenever they could (and get paid to do so).
If they lost the person, "meh, another will be along soon".
Yeah, it's a traditional macho male job. None of the cops who've stopped me over the years gave a shit about road safety.

One guy was just about wetting himself because he saw a detector bracket on the windscreen and thought he'd been Really Smart catching me. He looked so disappointed when I told him that the detector wasn't even in the car.

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[Swoop]

About 7 of them in my suburb 9am this morning... including one parked on my lawn with siren blaring while they tooled up and got spikes ready.
Was already awake and about so enjoyed the free entertainment. :)

Interesting that a towbar is fitted on that car. Jetski or boat to tow perhaps?

[jasonu]

I'm generally Captain Sensible and the Feds don't really register on my radar, either. I did have a wee chuckle t'other day following a Fed. He was quite a few vehicles ahead of me and disappeared off up an overtaking lane which snakes up a hill, funnily enough. Close to the top of the hill is a road which provides a view of the highway below......

When I reached the overtaking lane I gave the bike a good squirt, clear the plugs you know, until I caught up with another vehicle. Due to a number of considerations I chose to sit behind them at about 80kph. My lucky day.. As I come around the corner who do I see sat at the ridge road junction... Yup, the Sheriff. They gave me a good stare and pulled out on their merry way. I can only assume I looked like a good candidate for a pull. Not that day, though. Sorry. Smart bit of observation from the Feds I thought. That stretch of road can be a bit of a race track and it would have been a justified pull had I a #46 on my helmet.

Sounds like profiling. You should write a letter.

[jasonu]

In fact, it's one of the things senior cops say to young cops. Young cops tend to get all wound up when someone gets away. Older cops tend to be far more relaxed about it.

It's a penis thing.

Are you saying all cops, both young and old are penises?

[caspernz]

Interesting that a towbar is fitted on that car. Jetski or boat to tow perhaps?

My first thought was cutbacks in the Hawkes Bay area mean the "booze bus" is now just a caravan?

[R650R]

Interesting that a towbar is fitted on that car. Jetski or boat to tow perhaps?

Always thought it was quite common, usually for uplifting stolen pushbikes.
Checked other frames and the SGT's wagon has one too. They do have a trailer here that the SAR guys have all their gear in.

[R650R]

My first thought was cutbacks in the Hawkes Bay area mean the "booze bus" is now just a caravan?

Pretty sure we still got the full monty HINO truck. Their not shy of log jamming the hawkes bay expressway in rushour to do it either, tailbacks so bad they have third party traffic control and warning signs... Although quite common here and other places now is for single or two car units to do random checkpoints.
I must be due soon for several hours of late night doors opening and closing outside my house interspersed with random tow truck noises.....

[Moise]

Pretty sure we still got the full monty HINO truck. Their not shy of log jamming the hawkes bay expressway in rushour to do it either, tailbacks so bad they have third party traffic control and warning signs... Although quite common here and other places now is for single or two car units to do random checkpoints.
I must be due soon for several hours of late night doors opening and closing outside my house interspersed with random tow truck noises.....
A few years ago they set up a full on checkpoint on a motorway offramp out west. Chaos doesn't even begin to describe the results.

It's very easy to access traffic count data on line, but I expect that's waaay beyond the boys (and girls) in blue.

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[R650R]

A few years ago they set up a full on checkpoint on a motorway offramp out west. Chaos doesn't even begin to describe the results.

It's very easy to access traffic count data on line, but I expect that's waaay beyond the boys (and girls) in blue.

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I remember 15 years ago they had one on Manakau on ramp northbound at about 8pm. Entering a god dMN MOTORWAY!!!! Lucky I didn't have the GSXr too tapped out....

BTW it never rains but it pours, another chase past house this morning at 2 am !!! Followed closely by a UFO a short time after on the other main road. I assume it was a back up unit but all I saw was a white led roof light.
Maybe I should do the maths on 30m visible roadway, human eye still seeing what it saw 1/6 second ago and estimate terminal velocity....

[jellywrestler]

Are you saying all cops, both young and old are penises?

just lack them...

[mossy1200]

One of my early lessons in the job 2as not to sweat it if a roadent (a road rat) got away, as karma says they'll come back soon enough.

In fact, it's one of the things senior cops say to young cops. Young cops tend to get all wound up when someone gets away. Older cops tend to be far more relaxed about it.

It's a penis thing.

Stay in the force to long and it drops off?

[Gremlin]

I remember 15 years ago they had one on Manakau on ramp northbound at about 8pm. Entering a god dMN MOTORWAY!!!! Lucky I didn't have the GSXr too tapped out....
I remember one New Years Eve I think, riding around. Hit 6-7 checkpoints around the city :wait:

[rastuscat]

I remember one New Years Eve I think, riding around. Hit 6-7 checkpoints around the city :wait:

I've stood on those checkpoints.

The point of CBT checkpoints is not to catch people. The point is to create the perception of a higher risk of being caught.

The more people breath tested, the greater the deterrent.

Thing is, cops like catching baddies. At the end of a 2 hour 3R (checkpoint) cops think it's been a failure if nobody got processed. Nothing could be further from the truth.

The higher profile the better. Look how long you remember the 3R on the Manukau on ramp.

Of course, it has to be balanced off against passing too many people off or causing a hazard.

[jellywrestler]

I've stood on those checkpoints.

The point of CBT checkpoints is not to catch people. The point is to create the perception of a higher risk of being caught.

The more people breath tested, the greater the deterrent.

Thing is, cops like catching baddies. At the end of a 2 hour 3R (checkpoint) cops think it's been a failure if nobody got processed. Nothing could be further from the truth.

The higher profile the better. Look how long you remember the 3R on the Manukau on ramp.

Of course, it has to be balanced off against passing too many people off or causing a hazard.

i used to work at massey uni in palmy, just up the road was linton army camp, with one bridge into town, there's be a reasonably regular checkpoint there at finishing time on a friday mostly, and one rarely saw any later in the night, good move as it got it into several thousand peoples heads to go home, have a jar or two and leave the car at home, i never mind getting pulled over at a checkpoint as it's my arse that could get hit by a drunk driver.

[Grumph]

The "checkpoint on a single access point" smacks too much of entrapment for my liking - but I'm not arguing it doesn't work.

Many years back I was at a speedway meeting at Dunedin. Had to duck back to the motel for something early in the evening and there was a trap just set up on the single access road...When I went back to the track I mentioned it and word got around.
Doubt it would have caught any locals but the out of towners could have had problems.

[Moise]

I've stood on those checkpoints.

The point of CBT checkpoints is not to catch people. The point is to create the perception of a higher risk of being caught.

The more people breath tested, the greater the deterrent.

Thing is, cops like catching baddies. At the end of a 2 hour 3R (checkpoint) cops think it's been a failure if nobody got processed. Nothing could be further from the truth.

The higher profile the better. Look how long you remember the 3R on the Manukau on ramp.

Of course, it has to be balanced off against passing too many people off or causing a hazard.

"Cops like catching baddies"

That's the whole issue in a nutshell. Having visible police cars on patrol does more to improve driver behaviour than hiding up an on ramp to catch someone doing 111 km/h. But that's not the psyche of your average cop.

If you look at the road deaths over the holidays, you'd have to say that very few would have been prevented by standard police enforcement practices.

You'd hope that the people in power would realise that what they are doing is not working, and the messages aren't getting through. Just look at all the deaths where seatbelts weren't worn. If you can't even get people to wear seatbelts, then clearly something is badly wrong.



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[Akzle]

. Just look at all the deaths where seatbelts weren't worn. If you can't even get people to wear seatbelts, then clearly something is badly wrong.



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i never wear a seatbelt.

only ~30% of fatal crashes involved "not wearing a seatbelt"

so 60% of fatals, were wearing a seatbelt.

statistically, crashing is what will fuck you up.

[Berries]

i never wear a seatbelt.

only ~30% of fatal crashes involved "not wearing a seatbelt"

so 60% of fatals, were wearing a seatbelt.
But if 50% of crashes involved motorbikes that only leaves 20% where the driver/passenger had a seatbelt on so you are in fact at more risk.

Seriously though, the first thing that often happens when you get thrown from a vehicle is that you are halfway out the window frame when the car rolls on you and squashes your head against the road like a cartoon Wile E Coyote leaving a ghoulish impression in the side of the door. Or you get thrown out the back window and run over and smeared across the road like a hedgehog. Or you go out the front window leaving behind the top of your skull and blood soaked scalp wedged where the sun visor should be.

That's why the flies are so big over here.

[Moise]

i never wear a seatbelt.

only ~30% of fatal crashes involved "not wearing a seatbelt"

so 60% of fatals, were wearing a seatbelt.

statistically, crashing is what will fuck you up.

Using that logic, I don't suppose you wear a helmet either. :)


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[Laava]

Using that logic, I don't suppose you wear a helmet either. :)


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���������� Haha, you sarcastic bugger!
I guess it must be frustrating though when no-one believes anything you say...

[jasonu]

i never wear a seatbelt.

only ~30% of fatal crashes involved "not wearing a seatbelt"

so 60% of fatals, were wearing a seatbelt.

statistically, crashing is what will fuck you up.

Yes you are right, the sudden stop is what fucks you up. But of the 30% fatalities not wearing seatbelts it would be interesting to know how many of them died because they smashed their head into the windscreen or steering wheel because they were not wearing a seatbelt when the crash occurred.

[Akzle]

But if 50% of crashes involved motorbikes that only leaves 20% where the driver/passenger had a seatbelt on so you are in fact at more risk.

Seriously though, the first thing that often happens when you get thrown from a vehicle is that you are halfway out the window frame when the car rolls on you and squashes your head against the road like a cartoon Wile E Coyote leaving a ghoulish impression in the side of the door. Or you get thrown out the back window and run over and smeared across the road like a hedgehog. Or you go out the front window leaving behind the top of your skull and blood soaked scalp wedged where the sun visor should be.

That's why the flies are so big over here.

all of that presuposes i'm going to drive into shit at pace.
i do not.

[R650R]

Seriously though, the first thing that often happens when you get thrown from a vehicle is that you are halfway out the window frame when the car rolls on you and squashes your head against the road like a cartoon Wile E Coyote leaving a ghoulish impression in the side of the door. Or you get thrown out the back window and run over and smeared across the road like a hedgehog. Or you go out the front window leaving behind the top of your skull and blood soaked scalp wedged where the sun visor should be.



Correct... and my trucking bretheren are slowly as a community coming to realise that too. Theres' been tragic deaths in recent years of what could have been survivable rollovers but guys thrown out and squashed by own truck.
This holly wood shit of jumping out the door to safety is only pertinent at about 20k on logging tracks maybe...
Same on forklifts, its there to prevent you from jumping and being crushed by the forklift as it rolls.

Living by a busy intersection I've twice seen the results of no seatbelt, many times seen people walkout uninjured wearing seatbelts. The debate is over.
I will always remember one very blunt bystander, hard woman who used to own the motel. She told the victim "You wouldn't be screaming your face off ya silly bitch if you'd been wearing your seatbelt".... That one the driver walked out but the passenger had left classic spiderweb faceplant into windscreen....

Is it urban myth or not that ACC doesn't fully cover reconstructive surgery if not wearing seatbelt?

[Akzle]

Yes you are right, the sudden stop is what fucks you up. But of the 30% fatalities not wearing seatbelts it would be interesting to know how many of them died because they smashed their head into the windscreen or steering wheel because they were not wearing a seatbelt when the crash occurred.

which is pretty much my point. like alcohol and drug statistics, seatbelt stats are probably horseshit to push the company line.

no doubt, if you crash into shit head on, a seatbelt will keep you in your seat.
also no doubt, if you're T boned driver side, a seatbelt will kill you by keeping you in your seat.

what, on occasion, may be difficult to determine from a fatal, is how much any factor contributed to the fatality. (ie, would it have happend if/ if not....)

but it's all a bit irrelevant if you don't drive into shit.

[FJRider]

which is pretty much my point. like alcohol and drug statistics, seatbelt stats are probably horseshit to push the company line.

no doubt, if you crash into shit head on, a seatbelt will keep you in your seat.
also no doubt, if you're T boned driver side, a seatbelt will kill you by keeping you in your seat.

what, on occasion, may be difficult to determine from a fatal, is how much any factor contributed to the fatality. (ie, would it have happend if/ if not....)

but it's all a bit irrelevant if you don't drive into shit.

There has been a lot of debate on the value of seatbelts ... but as one who has survived crashes in vehicles that were not fitted (or required to be fitted) I would like to point a few things out to you ... even surviving such crashes ... I wish I had one those times ... to wear.

Any crash you are involved in (as a driver or passenger) it almost always involves some degree of pain.

If the car you are in is being driven into a tree at 140 km/hr ... some pain will result. Regardless of your seating position. Or safety equipment used.

Seatbelts keep you in your seat ... regardless where that seat may end up. When the outside world intrudes in the passenger space you partially occupy ... I would prefer not to go out to meet it

Seatbelts will not save your life in every instance you are involved in an accident ... but not every accident would be fatal for all passengers (wearing seatbelts or not) ... but they will increase the odds you will survive. Sort ... of make your own luck.

Personal choice is fine ... but ... are you feeling lucky ... ???


Good luck.

[Akzle]

This holly wood shit of jumping out the door to safety is only pertinent at about 20k on logging tracks maybe...
nigh on fucking impossible on a right hand slide, pretty achievable on a lefty.
doors are hard to open at speed so it's normally a window exeunt.

...so i hear.



Living by a busy intersection I've twice seen the results of no seatbelt, many times seen people walkout uninjured wearing seatbelts. The debate is over.

arguable. as above. it will help in certain types of crashes (ie target fixated panic braking and sledging into shit; and certain rollovers/pile drivers)

but others it will not. and in all cases you're liable to whiplash (maybe not, or less, with traction belts?) internal organ damage, bruising from shoulder to hip, winding, eye damage, brain injury....

[FJRider]

all of that presuposes i'm going to drive into shit at pace.
i do not.

Your expertise on shit is well documented. You talk it often ...

[R650R]

all of that presuposes i'm going to drive into shit at pace.
i do not.

Sometimes shit drives into you, or even rains on you....

When I got hit head on in my linehaul truck (me doing 70 ish exiting town, DUI ute doing about 120 oncoming) the last thing I was thinking was someone was going to ruin my cruisey night.
End of the week, running ahead of schedule, even stopped for an hour to wash the truck.
I was 44 tonne vs 1.8 tonne double cab Datsun. Its the ONLY crash I had not wearing seatbelt, the mitsis huge steering wheel was the only thing that stopped me hitting windscreen or dashboard, think worst judder bar ever x100.
I was just so happy when I landed the parkbrake handle mounted leftside of seat only badly bruised the side of my hip and not the entrance to my arse!
Also its very disconcerting heading towards roadside furniture with your emergency braking interrupted becausde your foot following your body is no longer anywhere near the brake pedal.
Just do it man, costs you nothing and takes away another rprobably cause for the constabulary to harass your magna mobile.

[jafagsx250]

Correct... and my trucking bretheren are slowly as a community coming to realise that too. Theres' been tragic deaths in recent years of what could have been survivable rollovers but guys thrown out and squashed by own truck.
This holly wood shit of jumping out the door to safety is only pertinent at about 20k on logging tracks maybe...
Same on forklifts, its there to prevent you from jumping and being crushed by the forklift as it rolls.

Living by a busy intersection I've twice seen the results of no seatbelt, many times seen people walkout uninjured wearing seatbelts. The debate is over.
I will always remember one very blunt bystander, hard woman who used to own the motel. She told the victim "You wouldn't be screaming your face off ya silly bitch if you'd been wearing your seatbelt".... That one the driver walked out but the passenger had left classic spiderweb faceplant into windscreen....

Is it urban myth or not that ACC doesn't fully cover reconstructive surgery if not wearing seatbelt?

Well according to a turban wearing Indian at work it's legal for them not to wear a helmet and ride around. Sounds shit but I don't think it's a good idea to fund the treatment of those sorts of people if the rest of us pay out of the nose for registration and then have to pay for someone who doesn't even take the biggest measure to stop yourself from being a vegetable. Wearing a decent helmet.

[Swoop]

Seatbelts are vital. Plain and simple, much like those who choose to not wear one.

Treat a car seat like an aircraft ejection seat. Harness on and secure all the time, until you have parked up at the end of the flight.





"Cops like catching baddies"

Looking at the sheer quantity of evidence to the contrary (burglaries not investigated, just to start with) I'd disagree. IF you had stated "cops like being seen chasing baddies" then that would be more accurate.




Is it urban myth or not that ACC doesn't fully cover reconstructive surgery if not wearing seatbelt?
It would make sense. The same should apply if people choose not to wear a helmet.

[Akzle]

Well according to a turban wearing Indian at work it's legal for them not to wear a helmet and ride around. Sounds shit but I don't think it's a good idea to fund the treatment of those sorts of people if the rest of us pay out of the nose for registration and then have to pay for someone who doesn't even take the biggest measure to stop yourself from being a vegetable. Wearing a decent helmet.

*sikhs. and <50km/h

[5ive]

*sikhs. and <50km/h

Which is fine when they are playing bumper cars on their scooters in suburban peak hour traffic when delivering Domino's, but you have to cringe a little when you see them on the Auckland motorway when it's amazingly not congested.

[Akzle]

you see them on the Auckland motorway when it's amazingly not congested.

well now we all know youre just talking shit

[5ive]

http://www.metservice.com/national/traffic-cams/auckland

Take a look for yourself :niceone:

[Big Dog]

Psst... https://www.nzta.govt.nz/driver-licences/exemptions/

you can prove you are a member of the Sikh religion, and you're only travelling at up to 50km/h.
So feel free to shake your head.

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[jasonu]

Well according to a turban wearing Indian at work it's legal for them not to wear a helmet and ride around. Sounds shit but I don't think it's a good idea to fund the treatment of those sorts of people if the rest of us pay out of the nose for registration and then have to pay for someone who doesn't even take the biggest measure to stop yourself from being a vegetable. Wearing a decent helmet.

I totally agree with you but others will say

[jafagsx250]

I totally agree with you but others will say

People always cry racism on things they can't easily refute and that hurts their feelings or "offends" them.

[FJRider]

I totally agree with you but others will say

It's actually nothing to do with racism ... but more to do with religious bigotry. The "No helmet required" policy for those men in the Sikh religion is a common policy throughout the world.

But they are only allowed up to 50 km/hr ...

[FJRider]

People always cry racism on things they can't easily refute and that hurts their feelings or "offends" them.

And ignorant enough to usually get it wrong. The Sikh's that wear the turban do so because of their religion. Not because of their race.

[FJRider]

Is it urban myth or not that ACC doesn't fully cover reconstructive surgery if not wearing seatbelt?

http://www.acc.co.nz/making-a-claim/what-support-can-i-get/ECI0017

[jafagsx250]

And ignorant enough to usually get it wrong. The Sikh's that wear the turban do so because of their religion. Not because of their race.

I knew that Sikh are a religion not a race. I am not an idiot or more bigoted than anyone else is. All groups of people are just as likely to be shit or good as others.

I was more saying that racism is just a buzz word.

I never said anything about race. The Jason u fella did. I just mentioned that the guy who told me is Indian.

And I never said that they shouldn't be allowed to do it as I don't give a fuck about them. I was saying if they're taking a great risk why pay for their fuck ups.

But please continue to feel good about yourself by putting words into my mouth. Ever heard of the mote and the beam?

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[FJRider]

I was more saying that racism is just a buzz word.



99% of the time the racist card is played ... it is used in the wrong context. Racism is not a "Buzz Word" ... it is a serious accusation. And usually tells more about the user than the target.

[rastuscat]

http://www.acc.co.nz/making-a-claim/what-support-can-i-get/ECI0017

ACC covers injuries suffered by stupid people.

Those not wearing seatbelts included.

[FJRider]

ACC covers injuries suffered by stupid people.

Those not wearing seatbelts included.

Would that not count as "Self inflicted" and therefore not an accident ... ???? :shifty:

[jafagsx250]

99% of the time the racist card is played ... it is used in the wrong context. Racism is not a "Buzz Word" ... it is a serious accusation. And usually tells more about the user than the target.

Well we can agree on the wrong use of the word racism then.

We'll it seems to get thrown around a hell of a lot to me. Which was what I was pointing out when I said buzz word.

Of course.

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[R650R]

The entire local police force is in my hood again.... http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/88855180/gunshots-heard-streets-closed-in-napier

Tried not to pop and bang the DR on overrun too much coming home from night shift last night :) Rode through residual tear gas drifting across the main road, eyes briefly sensitive like from a smokey campfire.
Never a dull moment here.

After they packed up and left though life was back to normal, drunken feral trash kicking fences about 4am.....