New to riding

[MaizeD]

I was just wondering if i could park in the car parking spaces? i wouldnt get a ticket for it right? or is there a place for bikes only ?

Oh and what do you guys think of a gn250 bobber as a beginner bike?

[Boob Johnson]

Firstly...

A) A GN250 is a right of passage

B) If you didn't learn on a GN250 you aren't really a "kiwi biker" (true story!!!)

C) You can park anywhere, just don't be "THAT GUY" that takes an entire car park ffs!

D) I park on the line in between car parks (with nose pointing towards the road) so I don't actually take a park

E) Katman is, apparently, still a bit of a dick.

F) Welcome to Kiwibiker!

[Oakie]

Yes to the parking. No to the bobber. (But yes to a GN 250 to learn on ... just not one that's been 'minimised'.)

[Boob Johnson]

As to the Bobber style.....who gives a monkeys on my opinion or anyone else's on that??? You want other peoples opinion on what YOU find attractive? Really??? Get a grip man! If you like the look of a Bobber style'd GN then go for it! Personally I think they can look pretty cool but who gives a hoot what anyone thinks! You can't argue that blue is better than red!!!

[MaizeD]

Yes to the parking. No to the bobber. (But yes to a GN 250 to learn on ... just not one that's been 'minimised'.)


Whys that?

[MaizeD]

How about this bike? http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=1183376357&open_homes=&region=&district=

[Boob Johnson]

How about this bike? http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=1183376357&open_homes=&region=&district=
Perfect learners bike. GZ250 = A slightly cooler GN250

[MaizeD]

Perfect learners bike. GZ250 = A slightly cooler GN250

https://postimg.org/image/5nmb6dbn7/ This is the bobber gn250 that i was going to get tomorrow, ive only got 3k to spend on a bike lol. Do you know if the gn250 2006 can sit comfortably going 100 on the motorway ? or can the GZ250 do it?

Theres another bike its called Megelli 250RR 2013 for 2.5k only 7000KMS but the reviews on it are so bad

[AllanB]

Presuming you have paid for the car park WTF not?

Bobbers are cool. Do it.

[Laava]

https://postimg.org/image/5nmb6dbn7/ This is the bobber gn250 that i was going to get tomorrow, ive only got 3k to spend on a bike lol. Do you know if the gn250 2006 can sit comfortably going 100 on the motorway ? or can the GZ250 do it?

Theres another bike its called Megelli 250RR 2013 for 2.5k only 7000KMS but the reviews on it are so bad

The GN and GZ are essentially the same bike with different styling. Both are capable of doing 100 kmh but neither are at ease doing it. As in, you don,t want to go touring on. But great learners bikes and left std should be easy to move on when you want to upgrade.

[MaizeD]

The GN and GZ are essentially the same bike with different styling. Both are capable of doing 100 kmh but neither are at ease doing it. As in, you don,t want to go touring on. But great learners bikes and left std should be easy to move on when you want to upgrade.

What RPM does the bike go up to at 100?

[nzspokes]

https://postimg.org/image/5nmb6dbn7/ This is the bobber gn250 that i was going to get tomorrow, ive only got 3k to spend on a bike lol. Do you know if the gn250 2006 can sit comfortably going 100 on the motorway ? or can the GZ250 do it?

Theres another bike its called Megelli 250RR 2013 for 2.5k only 7000KMS but the reviews on it are so bad

The issues with Bobbers is they are often badly done and not really street legal. And they are uncomfortable to ride. If you want to ride for more than an hour dont bother.

Standard GN will be fine.

Buy something like this and spend the rest on good gear. http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/cruiser/auction-1187694249.htm

[AllanB]

The issues with Bobbers is they are often badly done and not really street legal. And they are uncomfortable to ride. If you want to ride for more than an hour dont bother.



Only if some knob hipster has dictated form over function. I'd encourage anyone to modify their ride to suit their personal needs/style - a simple change of bars can make a world of difference to comfort.

[Boob Johnson]

https://postimg.org/image/5nmb6dbn7/ This is the bobber gn250 that i was going to get tomorrow, ive only got 3k to spend on a bike lol. Do you know if the gn250 2006 can sit comfortably going 100 on the motorway ? or can the GZ250 do it?

Theres another bike its called Megelli 250RR 2013 for 2.5k only 7000KMS but the reviews on it are so bad
Mate get that Bobber, looks awesome! Forget random BS brands, believe the hype, they are terrible. Jap bikes are rock solid! The GZ is the same motor so very very reliable! $3k is more than enough to get a reliable bike.

[Oakie]

Whys that?

Because you don't really know for sure what has been compromised by another person's mods. Bobbers are generally about taking stuff off the bike so you finish up with less bike than what rolled out of the factory and it's just for the sake of appearance. Do that bobber thing later if you want but while you're learning, best to do it on a bike that is still what the engineers created rather than what someone did in the backyard just to make it look 'better'.

[russd7]

if you read the rules for lams bikes, once a bike has been altered it is no longer lams approved.

if you are learning to ride then get a bike that is un altered.
i know people who have traveled auckland to invercargil on a GN but not a bobber

[MaizeD]

Mate get that Bobber, looks awesome! Forget random BS brands, believe the hype, they are terrible. Jap bikes are rock solid! The GZ is the same motor so very very reliable! $3k is more than enough to get a reliable bike.

Yeah IKR thats what got me wanting it, its from a dealer ship aswell so maybe i can trust that its not poorly built? on the GZ the speed goes only up to 80 but on the GN it goes to 160

Ive also got another option which is the hyosung 250 http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1187721063.htm

[Boob Johnson]

I wouldn't touch an 8yr old Hyosung, nor would I touch that Megeli thing (never heard of it). Stick to reliable Jap bikes.


GZ250 to just 80km/h??? That doesn't seem right

[MaizeD]

I wouldn't touch an 8yr old Hyosung, nor would I touch that Megeli thing (never heard of it). Stick to reliable Jap bikes.


GZ250 to just 80km/h??? That doesn't seem right


Skip to 15mins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8kQ0ixavPI&t=906s

But on the GN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-17O9e_oxiI it gets pass 100

[nzspokes]

This would be perfect.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/auction-1186684079.htm

[nzspokes]

Skip to 15mins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8kQ0ixavPI&t=906s

But on the GN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-17O9e_oxiI it gets pass 100

Thats 80 MPH, not KPH. Big difference.

[deerworrier]

Skip to 15mins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8kQ0ixavPI&t=906s

But on the GN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-17O9e_oxiI it gets pass 100


first clip is US 75MPH,
2nd vid is Europe 120KPH.
75MPH = 120KPH.

basically the same mate :2thumbsup

[MaizeD]

first clip is US 75MPH,
2nd vid is Europe 120KPH.
75MPH = 120KPH.

basically the same mate :2thumbsup

Sorry im a bit confused lol, not really a car guy or a bike guy, so both bikes only can get up to 80? im talking about the speed limit in NZ like how motorway is 100, id need one that can stay at 100 for 10-15mins as ill be driving to work through the motorway

[deerworrier]

both will do 75MPH, miles per hour.
so here it is KPH and 75 miles per hour is 120Kilometers per hour as shown in the 2nd video.
in short you can be pulled over on either of them just fine:shit:

[MaizeD]

both will do 75MPH, miles per hour.
so here it is KPH and 75 miles per hour is 120Kilometers per hour as shown in the 2nd video.
in short you can be pulled over on either of them just fine:shit:

Whys that? going too slow on motorway ?

[deerworrier]

i am near the point of giving up here!

the bike racing traffic on the US highway was travelling at 75mph, the cars on the highway were travelling faster than him because they were doing more than 75mph.

you will be travelling around Auckland where the legal limit is 100Kph, the bike you are thinking of purchasing is capable of a speed in excess of this number namely 120 kph, so you will be able to travel and the prescribed limit in your daily journey, if however for some reason a bloke in robes and carrying a staff is seen on the Harbour bridge and the roads suddenly open up like the parting of the seas and everyone goes full retard and the revenue collectors are on a day off then you will struggle to keep up beyond the magic number of 120 on your speedo :sweatdrop

there is also the unknown here too. we dont know if you are build like a racing ferret or a samoan prop forward?

if the 250 you have seen is to your liking, buy it mate, it wont set the world alight but it will get you where you need to go with out impeding traffic in the city and you can have a hoot on it on the weekends around the hills and you wont look like a rejected power ranger while doing it.

[MaizeD]

i am near the point of giving up here!

the bike racing traffic on the US highway was travelling at 75mph, the cars on the highway were travelling faster than him because they were doing more than 75mph.

you will be travelling around Auckland where the legal limit is 100Kph, the bike you are thinking of purchasing is capable of a speed in excess of this number namely 120 kph, so you will be able to travel and the prescribed limit in your daily journey, if however for some reason a bloke in robes and carrying a staff is seen on the Harbour bridge and the roads suddenly open up like the parting of the seas and everyone goes full retard and the revenue collectors are on a day off then you will struggle to keep up beyond the magic number of 120 on your speedo :sweatdrop

there is also the unknown here too. we dont know if you are build like a racing ferret or a samoan prop forward?

if the 250 you have seen is to your liking, buy it mate, it wont set the world alight but it will get you where you need to go with out impeding traffic in the city and you can have a hoot on it on the weekends around the hills and you wont look like a rejected power ranger while doing it.

Ah i see and just wondering why ill get pulled over on both ? the GZ and the GN

[Drew]

if you read the rules for lams bikes, once a bike has been altered it is no longer lams approved.

if you are learning to ride then get a bike that is un altered.
i know people who have traveled auckland to invercargil on a GN but not a bobber
If you read the thing properly, you'll see that 250cc bikes are all lams, with a few specific exceptions.

Basically, if it's not an excluded 250, do what ya like as long as it's not structural or more than 15% power increase. Same as it used to be.

[deerworrier]

Ah i see and just wondering why ill get pulled over on both ? the GZ and the GN

? speeding. when you did/do your pot luck questions one of them will ask you how fast you are allowed to go? (highway, it's 100kph, dont tell anyone i told you) the bike you may purchase can do 120kph, thats a bigger number than the 100kph previously mentioned, this tends to draw the attention of the local stealth taxation officers and they will want your money.

if it were me with the funds you have i would buy a basic no frills reliable wee machine (unmolested GN or GZ would be good)for as little as possible and spend the majority of the money on a good helmet and gear, if you are commuting a lot i would say its better to have a good helmet, proper CE jacket, trousers, boots and gloves. your bike could well be moved on the next learner in a year but good gear will last you a lot longer :Punk:

whatever you go for, enjoy mate.

[MaizeD]

? speeding. when you did/do your pot luck questions one of them will ask you how fast you are allowed to go? (highway, it's 100kph, dont tell anyone i told you) the bike you may purchase can do 120kph, thats a bigger number than the 100kph previously mentioned, this tends to draw the attention of the local stealth taxation officers and they will want your money.

if it were me with the funds you have i would buy a basic no frills reliable wee machine (unmolested GN or GZ would be good)for as little as possible and spend the majority of the money on a good helmet and gear, if you are commuting a lot i would say its better to have a good helmet, proper CE jacket, trousers, boots and gloves. your bike could well be moved on the next learner in a year but good gear will last you a lot longer :Punk:

whatever you go for, enjoy mate.

Ah i see, i might go for the "unmolested" gz250 2011 then as it looks bigger than the GN http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=1183376357

[granstar]

I'd be more looking at sufficient power rating to enable get to 100- 120 than reaching it, so you can keep up in normal traffic conditions (and pass if needed) safely.
Stuck behind a truck, or stuck in front of a truck holding it up on a gutless wonder wouldn't be a comfy place to be, jus sayin.

[WristTwister]

That GZ250 seems alright from the description, low ks and suzuki is a fairly reliable make although these are probably made in China now.

It'll do you for a year or so, until you decide to upgrade to a bigger bike or a car.


I'd be more looking at sufficient power rating to enable get to 100- 120 than reaching it, so you can keep up in normal traffic conditions (and pass if needed) safely.
Stuck behind a truck, or stuck in front of a truck holding it up on a gutless wonder wouldn't be a comfy place to be, jus sayin.

Sadly the Yammie XSR700 is out of his price range, but it's a nice retro styled bike for LAMS riders with $$$.

[GrayWolf]

Yeah IKR thats what got me wanting it, its from a dealer ship aswell so maybe i can trust that its not poorly built? on the GZ the speed goes only up to 80 but on the GN it goes to 160

Ive also got another option which is the hyosung 250 http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1187721063.htm

Think you'll find its 80mph and 160km's.
The GN wont do 160, not anywhere near close... 130ish is about it. Cruising at 100? My ex has a GN. it will do 100km, but if you peg it back to 90, you can hear and feel the motor is more 'relaxed'.
Go for the GZ over the bobber...... the bobber is modified {not alowed as a learner} and you cannot be sure how well the frame chopping etc has been done.

Hyo's early on had some build issues {reliability} but really they are vastly improved with later models.... A lot faster than, more sporting riding position than the GN, but really the GN/GX is an excellent learner machine, forgiving, robust, and easily ridden.

[Gremlin]

Yes, in Auckland you can park in a car park (and you have to pay like a regular car). You can also use motorcycle parks: https://at.govt.nz/driving-parking/motorcycles-and-scooters/motorcycle-and-scooter-parking/ and there is a link to a map of the parking locations.

Be aware that not all councils permit it, eg, Wellington I believe still doesn't let motorcycles park in car parks.

Be aware the licence plate on that bobber has been cut down, making it illegal. For a learner bike I'd go for an unmolested one.

[Akzle]

speed limit in NZ like how motorway is 100, id need one that can stay at 100 for 10-15mins as ill be driving to work through the motorway

in auckland.
must be fucking trolling.

[Voltaire]

in auckland.
must be fucking trolling.

Azkle, putting the t in front of rolling since ages ago.:niceone:

[Banditbandit]

Yes, park in car spaces. make sure you feed the meter otherwise you get a ticket.



Firstly...

A) A GN250 is a right of passage

A GN is a piece of shit that should never be allowed.


B) If you didn't learn on a GN250 you aren't really a "kiwi biker" (true story!!!)

Bullshit ...


C) You can park anywhere, just don't be "THAT GUY" that takes an entire car park ffs!

That's the legal way to park ..


D) I park on the line in between car parks (with nose pointing towards the road) so I don't actually take a park

If either of the cars have not fed the parking meter you can be fined too ..




F) Welcome to Kiwibiker!


Yeah .. just be careful about who you take advice from .

[EJK]

Yeah .. just be careful about who you take advice from .

whys that?

[granstar]

Azkle, putting the t in front of rolling since ages ago.:niceone:

:yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn:

[mossy1200]

Be aware that not all councils permit it, eg, Wellington I believe still doesn't let motorcycles park in car parks.



For reason that we cant display the pay n display ticket. But we can use old meter style. I think there is a few left somewhere.
More likely our meter maids are not bright enough to see a flappy piece of paper under a passenger strap.

[Gremlin]

Perhaps this: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/181317-Selling-me-Suzuki-GN250-and-all-other-biking-gear

[jafagsx250]

I wouldn't touch an 8yr old Hyosung, nor would I touch that Megeli thing (never heard of it). Stick to reliable Jap bikes.


GZ250 to just 80km/h??? That doesn't seem right

I would get that hyosung checked out first but I haven't had any serious issues with mine. A brake micro switch which cost 35 bucks and that's it. The battery was my fault.

I'll agree about the Chinese bike though.

[Jonno.]

I'd be more looking at sufficient power rating to enable get to 100- 120 than reaching it, so you can keep up in normal traffic conditions (and pass if needed) safely.
Stuck behind a truck, or stuck in front of a truck holding it up on a gutless wonder wouldn't be a comfy place to be, jus sayin.

Have people who say this ever ridden a 250? Even my fxr 150 didn't have problem keeping up or overtaking anywhere in Auckland. Sure I had trouble overtaking cars who go 80k and then 120 on straights, but then again I don't think many will do the coro loop on a gn 250. A GN will go just as fast as a 1800cc car and not many people will say they're unsafe to drive.

[russd7]

If you read the thing properly, you'll see that 250cc bikes are all lams, with a few specific exceptions.

Basically, if it's not an excluded 250, do what ya like as long as it's not structural or more than 15% power increase. Same as it used to be.

taken from the nzta website

If you modify your motorcycle, it may not be approved

Any motorcycle modified in a way that increases or decreases its power-to-weight ratio is no longer LAMS-compliant, regardless of whether it appears on the list.

If you are a rider on a learner or restricted motorcycle licence, it is your responsibility to ensure you are riding a LAMS-approved motorcycle, as produced by the manufacturer. If in doubt, seek confirmation from the manufacturer's agent or dealership. If you are unsure who to contact, details for all major motorcycle importers are available on the Motor Industry Association website (external link) .

If you don't follow these rules you may end up with fines and demerit points.



i see nothing in here about 15% and making a boober appears to me to alter the power to weight ratio, now i agree probably not by much but Personally i would not recomend a Noob learn to ride on a shitty bobber that will handle like a piece of shit, yes we did dumb shit in our younger days and got away with it but there was a whole lot less traffic on our roads back then

[russd7]

Have people who say this ever ridden a 250? Even my fxr 150 didn't have problem keeping up or overtaking anywhere in Auckland. Sure I had trouble overtaking cars who go 80k and then 120 on straights, but then again I don't think many will do the coro loop on a gn 250. A GN will go just as fast as a 1800cc car and not many people will say they're unsafe to drive.

yup and yup and some of us even ride in other parts of the country than auckland, and a 250 will do the coro loop as well but try and get past a dirty old stock truck on a shitty day on a 250 or your fxr and you might find them more than a little under powered, you must only have driven really fucked 1800cc cars because i dont know of any that i have driven that a gn250 or even your fxr150 would keep up with if the lead gets added.
a lot on here who are older had to start on bikes 250 or less.

[granstar]

Cut teeth on a CB 175 Honda great wee bike (so good I blew it up,they die eventually, and bought a second one) lol

Are unmodified Harleys LAMs approved ?

[rastuscat]

Cut teeth on a CB 175 Honda great wee bike (so good I blew it up,they die eventually, and bought a second one) lol

Are unmodified Harleys LAMs approved ?

Two Harleys are LAMS approved.

The XG500 Street and a classic 350 from back in the day.

I've met a few who have heard that a small Harley is okay on a learners, and they think this includes the 883. Nope.

[WristTwister]

Two Harleys are LAMS approved.

The XG500 Street and a classic 350 from back in the day.

I've met a few who have heard that a small Harley is okay on a learners, and they think this includes the 883. Nope.


This makes me wonder how new riders in the USA get on with learning on litre bikes and bigger bikes like Harleys.

[Akzle]

This makes me wonder how new riders in the USA get on with learning on litre bikes and bigger bikes like Harleys.

how do you think?

[WristTwister]

how do you think?

Something like this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP_sHpWHjHU

[GTRMAN]

if you read the rules for lams bikes, once a bike has been altered it is no longer lams approved.

if you are learning to ride then get a bike that is un altered.
i know people who have traveled auckland to invercargil on a GN but not a bobber
Wrong. A 250 is LAMS approved whether modified or not unless it is on the forbidden list

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[Akzle]

Wrong. A 250 is LAMS approved whether modified or not unless it is on the forbidden list

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wrong. a 250 on the lams list becomes non-approved if it is modified in a manner than will increase it's power to weight ratio.

[Pound]

wrong. a 250 on the lams list becomes non-approved if it is modified in a manner than will increase it's power to weight ratio.


Correct.


From NZTA.govt.


"Any motorcycle modified in a way that increases or decreases its power-to-weight ratio is no longer LAMS-compliant, regardless of whether it appears on the list."

[GTRMAN]

If it's over 250cc. Try reading the full information

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[onearmedbandit]

If it's over 250cc. Try reading the full information

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From the NZTA's page...


If you modify your motorcycle, it may not be approved

Any motorcycle modified in a way that increases or decreases its power-to-weight ratio is no longer LAMS-compliant, regardless of whether it appears on the list.

If you are a rider on a learner or restricted motorcycle licence, it is your responsibility to ensure you are riding a LAMS-approved motorcycle, as produced by the manufacturer. If in doubt, seek confirmation from the manufacturer's agent or dealership. If you are unsure who to contact, details for all major motorcycle importers are available on the Motor Industry Association website (external link) .

If you don't follow these rules you may end up with fines and demerit points.

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/driver-licences/getting-a-licence/licences-by-vehicle-type/motorcycles/lams/

Nothing about the modification rule only being applied to bikes over 250cc. If you have something to show otherwise please share with us.

[Taxythingy]

To add the relevant bit of legislation, Land Transport (Driver Licensing) Amendment Rule 2011:

6(1)(c):
approved motorcycle means the make and model of any motorcycle that—
(a) has an engine capacity of 250 cc or less, unless the Agency has prohibited the use of that make and model of motorcycle by notice published on the Agency's Internet site; or
(b) has an engine capacity of more than 250 cc but not more than 660 cc and a power-to-weight ratio of not more than 150 kilowatts per tonne and is approved for use by the Agency by notice published on the Agency's Internet site

So what's written on LTNZ's website is "The List". And if you modify the power to weight, either up OR down, it isn't approved. Which, in principle, means that adding heated grips, bark busters, larger windscreen, tail tidy are all not approved. A case could be made against sticking different tyres on the bike.

A 6L or 6R rider can be charged either for riding a particular bike that is outside the restrictions (e.g. Hayabusa), which is an easy win, or for the technicality that the bike is modified, which will come down to what kind of modification was made. More powerful engine, new exhaust system or a big weight loss job are all likely out, even if still under the power-to-weight limit, while different tyres, heated grips, or a replacement windscreen would be very unlikely to be considered, let alone get to a court room. Note the conditional case, which I've highlighted, before jumping up and down. It depends on your lawyer, their lawyer and the judge.

[Akzle]

If it's over 250cc. Try reading the full information

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i did.

did you?


(you can trust me on this bro. i argue shit with lawyers.)

[Madness]

wrong. a 250 on the lams list becomes non-approved if it is modified in a manner than will increase it's power to weight ratio.

I thought the only 250cc bikes listed on any LAMS list were the ones that were banned with the introduction of the LAMS rules, all other 250cc bikes aren't "listed" because they were already legal anyway. Like a cop's going to give a fuck anyway.

[Pound]

Like a cop's going to give a fuck anyway.


Pretty much sums it up right there.

I took my CBTA full on a Ninja 300 with a full carbon Yoshi exhaust with the baffle out (Loud asf) and my instructor (karel pavich) did not give a rats ass.

[Madness]

Pretty much sums it up right there.

In future, if there's any disagreement on anything on KB prhaps we just ask Skiddy for a definitive answer?

[russd7]

Wrong. A 250 is LAMS approved whether modified or not unless it is on the forbidden list

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cool so the nzta website is wrong, pleased to see you obviously know more than the nzta. i will keep that in mind.

although it wasn't obvious, i did cut and paste straight from the nzta website.

[rastuscat]

Here's my take on it. Based on a lot of years of reading legislation.

A 250 is approved unless it is on the prohibited list. 250s are not subject to the 150 watts per tonne list, so modifying them is inconsequential.

Anything bigger than a 250 is only approved if it is on the list, and hasn't had its power increased or weight lowered.

Heated grips make fuck all difference, so I can't see even the Nazi-est examiner taking issue.

Just.my thoughts.

[Akzle]

A 250 is approved unless it is on the prohibited list.
250s are not subject to the 150 watts per tonne list,

so ehh uhh. why dem prohibited list bro?

try reading it liek this: "(b) has an engine capacity of more than 250 cc but not more than 660 cc and a power-to-weight ratio of not more than 150 kilowatts per tonne and is approved for use by the Agency by notice published on the Agency's Internet site"


If you modify your motorcycle, it may not be approved

Any motorcycle modified in a way that increases or decreases its power-to-weight ratio is no longer LAMS-compliant, regardless of whether it appears on the list.

[Taxythingy]

That's probably fair Rastus. NZTA's "any motorcycle that is modified..." isn't in the legislation and the 250s don't need their specific approval, unlike the bigger bikes.

My comment about grips, etc, was only that it could be applied. I can't see anyone trying to do it.

Having said that, there are enough cases of legislation being applied well outside their intent, that I wouldn't rule out someone waving it around. Actioning it here, no.

[Taxythingy]

so ehh uhh. why dem prohibited list bro?

Cos it would have made the Optimistic Sellers thread even longer?

[Madness]

When the LAMs rules came in I must have been pretty smashed because I just can't remember anything about the hundreds, if not thousands of 250's that became non learner compliant overnight just because of a pipe or other such power-to-weight enhancing modification. Yeah, nah. All I can remember is that all the 250's on the LAMs-banned list became just that. Even that wasn't a problem because most of those bikes are under a tablecloth in some fat old white guys gargre somewhere.

[Madness]

If you modify your motorcycle, it may not be approved

Any motorcycle modified in a way that increases or decreases its power-to-weight ratio is no longer LAMS-compliant, regardless of whether it appears on the list.

Thank fuck they're not allowed to restrict them or carry heavy weights! :facepalm:

[Akzle]

Thank fuck they're not allowed to restrict them or carry heavy weights! :facepalm:

it's the letter of "the law" and, as per usual, the "law" is an ass.

exclusio unius and shit.

[Madness]

it's the letter of "the law" and, as per usual, the "law" is an ass.

You're interpreting it wrong bro. You may argue with Lawyers but rooting a ho doesn't make you a good root.


exclusio unius and shit.

Naenae College, speak English caaaant.

[Akzle]

You're interpreting it wrong bro.
it's actually fairly explicitly written.


Naenae College, speak English caaaant.
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