Paikok hill road - 70 KPH

[Bartman10]

I heard a rumour that Paikok hill is now 70 kph.

Anyone like to confirm or deny this?

Time for the fuzz to make some more cash, I supose.

[Paul in NZ]

I heard a rumour that Paikok hill is now 70 kph.

Anyone like to confirm or deny this?

Time for the fuzz to make some more cash, I supose.

It's been public knowledge for some time and we have been waiting for it to happen. Considering the number of accidents on the road it was bound to happen sooner or later.

The plan I saw had a mix of 50kph and 80kph areas. Could have been reduced to 70 I suppose...

Cheers

[Pixie]

This c**t government is going to make the whole country 70 kph to keep the revenue flowing and the hippies happy

[skelstar]

It could be that the Govt is trying to stop WRXs and the like falling off the road and killing themselves. In reality at will slow down 5% of the people who do ACTUALLY go faster than 70km/h.

[Paul in NZ]

This c**t government is going to make the whole country 70 kph to keep the revenue flowing and the hippies happy

Not really... The accident stats on that road really are shockers and there is not really much that can be done to physically improve it so this is actually pretty reasonable.

I've commuted over it for a while in da starlet and reckon a 70 or 80 kph limit is reasonable. Yes, you can go faster but there is a high risk of rubble and stuff on the road, 4WD's, boy racers etc. As time goes by, more people are using it as the land in the valley becomes divided into life style blocks etc.

Bear in mind it's a pretty dodgy road. Every year it is closed at some stage due to half the hill falling on it. This is the most cost effective solution... (I don't like it either but thats life)

Cheers

[James Deuce]

et al confirmed that it is indeed now 70-80km/hr over the length of the road.

[yungatart]

Are they going to do the same on the Manawatu Gorge? It has to be closed at least once a year for slips (sometimes for three months!) and is also winding. There is precious little you could do to realign it. Personally I won't use it unless I absolutely have to.. prefer to go to NP via Taupo and Awakino Gorge... now that is the scenic route!

[Hitcher]

Over most of its length, anything faster than 70kmh is just ferkin stupid, or unattainable for anything less than a highly-skilled rider. Imposed speed restrictions where there is no way that the restriction could be met or exceeded (like the 100kmh limit on the Maraka loop), seems to me to be a waste of time.

[madboy]

I'm with Hitcher.

Can someone please explain to me how reducing a speed limit that was unattainable for all but the nutters (who incidentally wouldn't be obeying ANY speed limit over that road anyway) then I will begin to understand why the limit has been lowered.

Put your hand on your hearts and tell me - aside from the handful of straight bits, who here exceeds 80k thru paekak?

To my mind, lowering the limit makes no difference to me, just sets the threshold for a pursuit lower.

[merv]

Signs have gone up, its 80 from Pauatahanui to Battle Hill and then 70 from there to Paekak.

[et al]

I rode up there on Sunday and spotted the new signs, speed limit is posted in several places along the way so you really cannot miss it. Someone said they heard it will be heavily policed/enforced. No doubt the boy racers and other idiots in cars who caused this to happen will go somewhere else and we are left with a sedate but very scenic route.

[Sparky Bills]

Going over 70 is only stupid if you have to cut a corner to make it around them.

If you are able to go 70-100 (or even faster maybe) without cutting corners, then i dont see a problem with it.
I can sit on 100 easily, without a worry at all.
Its only the people who cut blind corners etc that make it dangerous.


We have been through this time and time again, its always the same.

[merv]

Yep the big hand of political correctness descends on us all. We have speed signs, yellow no passing lines and yellow dashed no parking lines creeping up on us all over the place.

[Paul in NZ]

Yep the big hand of political correctness descends on us all. We have speed signs, yellow no passing lines and yellow dashed no parking lines creeping up on us all over the place.

Along with more cars, faster cars, worse roads, less patience and less capable drivers... Too hard to fix all those things while yellow paint is so cheap... (not to mention profitable)

[merv]

Yeah classic this morning was I drop my Toyota off at Rutherford and Bond in Porirua, Mrs comes to pick me up and she can't park outside any more for the dashed yellow line. Had to park up the hill a bit. Now have you ever seen many cars parked there before, its not exactly so busy that it could have been a problem? So I'm buggered if I know about half of the decisions the road bureaucrats make.

[Deano]

I can sit on 100 easily, without a worry at all.


You don't mean the ENTIRE way do you......? :bs: :rofl:

The biggest problem I have with that road is the dickheads who believe it is okay to cross the centre line. Stand on the side of the road one day and count how many dickheads cross the centre line around blind corners.

I nearly collected an MX-5 a couple of weekends ago. He was about a metre inside my lane as I came around a corner. It was a close enough call that I turned around and chased him (takes a fair bit to get me rarked up enough to do that). Took a while to catch him and when I did he didn't seem too keen to stop for a friendly chat. :devil2:

How about some road signs reminding people to keep inside their own effing lane, although they will probably get ingnored just as the 70-80kmh ones will.

[MD]

Shot through there on Saturday and the signs were up.
Sparky hit the nail on the head. The danger is pricks that cut corners and some of the straights through Piecock. I find that fear of a bull bar through my skull tends to limit my speed more than anything else.
I've had some pricks come head on at me on my side of the road, look straight at me and think, only a bike so no need to inconvenience myself by swerving back where I belong, he will move over further. Arseholes the lot of em.
Can't see many places where Mr Plod could park up to monitor traffic though? Even the possums have to pass each other in single file.

edit: anyone remember years ago when two motorcycles collided head on through Piecock. both died. Sad thing was one of them was probably riding on his own side of the road and didn't deserve to be taken out by a bike that should have known better

[Paul in NZ]

Hard to disagree with any of this..

However a few signs are cheaper than a central wire rope median strip so.... 70kph here we go.. Bummer...

I have to agree about the speed limiting fear of a Nissan Patrols bull bar though... Even in the Starlet...

[Korea]

et al confirmed that it is indeed now 70-80km/hr over the length of the road.

Noooooooooooooooo~! :crybaby:

[roogazza]

Piecock now 80 and even 70 in parts which I noticed last Sunday !

Oh well, I guess I'll be forty over instead of twenty over !!!!!!!!!!

Welcome to Helengrad people !!!! G. :not:

[Sparky Bills]

You don't mean the ENTIRE way do you......? :bs: :rofl:




Umm yeah.
Even the hairpins :niceone:

WHY?
Cant you? :whistle: :laugh:

[Deano]

Umm yeah.
Even the hairpins :niceone:

WHY?
Cant you? :whistle: :laugh:

Might pay to check your speedo there buddy.

Not even Cycosis could do it and I haven't seen anyone go over that hill quicker.

I'm keen to see you try though :killingme

[Big Dave]

Paikok hill is now 70 kph.

That sucks arse. I guess my footpeg scapers will last longer now.

[Sparky Bills]

Might pay to check your speedo there buddy.

Not even Cycosis could do it and I haven't seen anyone go over that hill quicker.

I'm keen to see you try though :killingme



AHHHH..
ERrrrrrrr
Ummmmmmmmmm...
Yeeeaaahhhhhh, suurrreeee... :whistle:




:done: :laugh:

[ktee]

Over the paekak hill there is two lanes and more width to the road to avoid a collision, hopefully.

I was absolutely gobsmacked at the idiots going thru the Akatarawa road last Friday. 70kph ? I don't think so.

I drove this road in my cage to see what condition the road was in and whether I would ride this on my bike .... but I don't think so ... not with those idiots out there who think they own the road.

I love riding and don't see why one would risk this width of road when a wider one like Paekakariki would be just as much fun .... and call me sceptical but I have been up that road (Paekak) every day this week and the cars I saw were in no way adhereing to the speed limit.

Whether it's 70 or 100 doesn't matter ... you still have to expect the unexpected 'I own the road' drivers and riders.

Safe riding all.

[Drum]

Posted speed limits are supposed to be set based on the 'speed environment'. The environment is based on density of roadside activity. i.e. where there are houses, schools, parking, pedestrian traffic the speed environment is low (50 km/h). When there is less roadside activity (i.e. rural home entrances, vege shops) the speed environment is higher (70 km/h usually). When there is very little/ no roadside activity the speed environment is 100 km/h. The number and severity of bends do not come into the calculation. These bends would ususally have a speed advisory sign or a "winding road - next 5km", or one of various other signs. The people who have set this limit do not understand the phsychology (spl?) of people towards speed limits. If they want to reduce the crazy boy racers on the hil they could use the boy racer laws. This latest move will not change anything.

[ducatilover]

Are they going to do the same on the Manawatu Gorge? It has to be closed at least once a year for slips (sometimes for three months!) and is also winding. There is precious little you could do to realign it. Personally I won't use it unless I absolutely have to.. prefer to go to NP via Taupo and Awakino Gorge... now that is the scenic route!they better not make the manawatu gorge a 70kph area, i commute through it every day on my gn and still get held up by boy racers and nanna's alike, cages just cant cmopare to bikes thruogh that road.....unless there is hold ups, there is a set of lights in the m-gorge and some bum ayyempted to race me away from them in an old commodore! i took off as hard as possible and i cant recall going under 95kp/h.....die infernal cage dwellers. but seriously if it is made into a 70/80k road then grannies will do 25k's instead of the usaull 45.....goddamit

[MOTOXXX]

going 100km is not safe in some areas. there are a lot of driveways on blind corners..... :doctor:

[Lou Girardin]

If the Police can set up speed traps with 4 or 5 cops writing tickets, why can't they set up a failing to keep left trap. One cop in a deck chair with an R/T on the side of the road, three down the road writing them up.
This is one trap I'd have no problem with.

[Hitcher]

If the Police can set up speed traps with 4 or 5 cops writing tickets, why can't they set up a failing to keep left trap. One cop in a deck chair with an R/T on the side of the road, three down the road writing them up.
This is one trap I'd have no problem with.
*Kisses Lou fondly (in a manly way of course) on both cheeks*

[F5 Dave]

It is a neat road, but I’m scared of it. The start part is fairly straight roads, but from the horsey place just gets tighter. + you often see people walking horses before there.

& Bicycles, it is a popular bicycle road, heaven knows why. The rule is that you must be able to stop within visible distance on a two laned road. I’ve almost hit bicycles going up there trying to keep up (I'm slow on the road, -vivid imagination) & it freaked me.

Really if you are going up there (from wgtn side & some of those LH corners are tight & totally blind with the bank) & you met a broken down car parked -stopped just there. . . how many people could really stop? How many would pile into it?

[Bartman10]

If the Police can set up speed traps with 4 or 5 cops writing tickets, why can't they set up a failing to keep left trap. One cop in a deck chair with an R/T on the side of the road, three down the road writing them up.
This is one trap I'd have no problem with.


They do have a "failing to keep left trap" My workmate got done in his cage in Paikok hill failing to keep left. The cop was sitting and waiting for the morning commuters to cut across the center line. My workmate was pissed off but I could hardly hide my pleasure. I think he got a $300 fine for it.

Cheers.

[Slingshot]

The simple answer is to ride within the limits of both yourself and the road conditions.

Every piece of road has it's own set of hazards, Paikok is narrow and cars tend to cross the centre line (the vid that I posted a while back proved this). The Takas is well known for diesel, wainui coast road has some challenging (off camber) corners.

[Lou Girardin]

*Kisses Lou fondly (in a manly way of course) on both cheeks*

Accepted in a totally manly way as well.

[Lou Girardin]

They do have a "failing to keep left trap" My workmate got done in his cage in Paikok hill failing to keep left. The cop was sitting and waiting for the morning commuters to cut across the center line. My workmate was pissed off but I could hardly hide my pleasure. I think he got a $300 fine for it.

Cheers.

Superb. That's only the second I've heard of, the other was on Takaka Hill. It was a biker who was caught that told me. (Whoops)
Maybe this will catch on and I'll stop winding up the Police (a little)

[Sparky Bills]

The simple answer is to ride within the limits of both yourself and the road conditions.

Every piece of road has it's own set of hazards, Paikok is narrow and cars tend to cross the centre line (the vid that I posted a while back proved this). The Takas is well known for diesel, wainui coast road has some challenging (off camber) corners.



SO TRUE! :niceone:

[sedge]

Well... Feck ! I'm in bed with Pneumonia and I didn't even get to say goodbye to the hill.. Sniffle.

So... What Tranzit are now saying is that there is NO SAFE road out of Wellington (you know, the CAPITAL city) but it's not going to do anything about it for 20 years. Excuse me ?

AKL gets more lanes tacked on to it's motorway for capacity... Surely safety comes before capacity ? You may say it's for the greater good and that hours will be saved for lots of people... This goes out the window when someone dies on the shitty roads around here.

Serously... As far as I'm concerned, screw AKL... Save some lives first.

Sedge.

[JohnBoy]

The simple answer is to ride within the limits of both yourself and the road conditions.


right on the nose!

so why can the people in power actually start trying to make an effort on focusing on driver skill then just speed?? everyone here understands quite clearly that speed dosent kill its the driver/rider who kills... a shirt i saw once comes to mind... "guns don't kill people, I DO!!"

but i suppose that there is more money in ridiculous fines than actually teaching the general public on defencive driving.

but sadly yet another good road is buggered by idiots and ney sayers. RIP p hill :crybaby:

[Hitcher]

ney sayers
That's nay-sayers (people who delight in saying no), not to be confused with neigh-sayers (horse-whisperers)...

[Coyote]

Well... Feck ! I'm in bed with Pneumonia and I didn't even get to say goodbye to the hill.. Sniffle.

So... What Tranzit are now saying is that there is NO SAFE road out of Wellington (you know, the CAPITAL city) but it's not going to do anything about it for 20 years. Excuse me ?

AKL gets more lanes tacked on to it's motorway for capacity... Surely safety comes before capacity ? You may say it's for the greater good and that hours will be saved for lots of people... This goes out the window when someone dies on the shitty roads around here.

Serously... As far as I'm concerned, screw AKL... Save some lives first.

Sedge.
Auckland has a higher percentage of voters to please, and that's what counts.

[Slingshot]

but sadly yet another good road is buggered by idiots and ney sayers. RIP p hill :crybaby:


Lets get real...it's not buggered until they start working to straighting the road...that's when it's buggered.

The speed signs just increase the annual cost of running a motorcycle.

[madboy]

The speed signs just increase the annual cost of running a motorcycle.only if the end of the road is blocked :devil2: or are u referring to extra tyre wear and fuel consumption to get to end of road at increased pace?

[madboy]

Superb. That's only the second I've heard of, As a sidetrack - I've been done for this years ago too.

Cutting corner with good visibility. In this case though the old farts coming the other way (like way way back) freaked, stopped dead and took my plate number. The fact that I would have had to deliberately swerve back into their lane and drive for some distance straight ahead before slamming into them seemed to be lost on the cops when they weighed up the "sensible old people" vs "young guy with history, driving a fast noisy car" debate. And we know how that debate ends.

Now back to the real debate - who the hell cares about Paekak speed limit??

[Paul in NZ]

Lets get real...it's not buggered until they start working to straighting the road...that's when it's buggered.

The speed signs just increase the annual cost of running a motorcycle.

Or.... Just buy a less modern or smaller bike = Fun restored, costs reduced!

[Sparky Bills]

The hill is not screwed.
Its still the same.
Doesnt look like its going anywhere.
Still in pretty good condition.

[What?]

who the hell cares about Paekak speed limit??
Not me. That road was bloody awful twenty years ago, and it has not improved with age. The only good thing about it is the scenery from the top of the hill. Dodging rocks, mud, grannies, boy racers, bicycles, horses and sheep is not my idea of an enjoyable ride.

[Sparky Bills]

It really is not as bad as what people think.

Just cause other people are saying its crap, everyone gets it in their heads that its dangerous.
ITS ALL IN YOUR HEAD PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ixion]

Not me. That road was bloody awful twenty years ago, and it has not improved with age. The only good thing about it is the scenery from the top of the hill. Dodging rocks, mud, grannies, boy racers, bicycles, horses and sheep is not my idea of an enjoyable ride.

Sounds quite good to me.

[MD]

Mr Plod gave me a long lecture at the side of the Piecock hill road today. He told me he was out to get 'my type' Not sure what type I am? But he was a grumpy unsociable shit. I'm always polite to the Police and give them full respect for doing the toughest job in NZ but this guy needed some serious customer service training on how to speak to the public, especially someone doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG.
Let me explain I was out to scrub in new tyres and in no hurry fully aware the limit had been lowered and HP would be all over that road. Soon as I reached Patahunui I passed a Cop car going the other way, no prob I was daudling along and at the same time I see a cop car ahead of me- going in the same direction. Still, no prob I'll just cruise along behind him and enjoy the tight bends to scrub the tyres. Constantly checked my speed. He was doing 82-86kph on my speedo and I was behind him for 10 minutes atleast.
I slowed for about 30 secs twice so I could enjoy some of the bends he had to really slow for, BUT I made sure I kept my speed under 85kph expecting him to slow to keep an eye on me or turn back. Finally I stopped to stretch my legs and let him go on ahead. He comes back and pulls over. Feeling 100% guilt free I smiled and said hello in my friendly voice. Then he starts with his rant about how I know your type you were slowing so you could speed well guess what we're patrolling this road and your type speeding and crossing the centreline are what we are after. I tried to thank him about the centreline as the real problem but every time I opened my mouth he told me to shut up and listen or I would be in trouble. Told me to 'shut up' about 7 times.
I tried to tell him I never cross the centre- but he cut me off with ''shut up I don't want to hear your excuses... When I finally got a word in that I wasn't speeding he went ape shit that he clocked my top speed at 88kph [in the 80kph zone that was 100 a week before] but I wont give you a ticket for that today. He added another warning that IF I go over by 11kph he 'll have me- no warnings. But I didn't I tried to squeeze in- no but if you do! (What? I thought to myself I might rape and butcher 50 people one day and this guy wants to lock me up now just in case).
but the best bit was he said he could see me zinging around the bends [on my side of the road by the way] Three times he used the word zinging. now I'm not sure of the legal definition and penalties for zinging within the speed limit or lurking with possible intent to zing but apparently I had that look. I was tempted to ask him to give me a ticket for zinging just so I could test it in court but he was in too foul a mood for humour. Finally he said you got anyything to say now. I replied, No I'm far to scared to speak to you or dare open my mouth and I never cross the centreline.
I went over the hill and came back to pass him booking a car.
I'd have to say this is the first time I've meet a Policeman I didn't like. Shame.

[number33]

That's the type of fucker who'll cop a manuka stake thru the teeth sooner or later. Should of got his name so you can send him best wishes when he's languishing in hospital, toothless. Nothing quite like a bloody good hiding to bring a shithead down to earth.

[oldrider]

I witnessed one of those types doing the same thing to my second son, who slightly exceeded the speed limit while looking for his mother on the roadside. Our whole family witnessed it actually. We were all gathered for Grandma's 60th birthday and son was trying to find a park. Children were not impressed by the performance of Helen's finest. It took me a while to settle down but these guy's are few and far between really. Actually if I'm honest I have heard more people complain about the poor bloody cop being too polite. I guess it evens out in the long run. Cheers John. :sunny:

[roogazza]

[QUOTE=MD]Mr Plod gave me a long lecture at the side of the Piecock hill road today. He told me he was out to get 'my type' Not sure what type I am? But he was a grumpy unsociable shit. I'm always polite to the Police and give them full respect for doing the toughest job in NZ but this guy needed some serious customer service training on how to speak to the public, especially someone doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG.

Mark, always get their number (on the shoulder) we don't need pricks like that ! and make a point complaining.
Sounds like another example of the "dumbing down " of the NZ police. God , there are some absolute wankers out there. G.

[ducatilover]

That's the type of fucker who'll cop a manuka stake thru the teeth sooner or later. Should of got his name so you can send him best wishes when he's languishing in hospital, toothless. Nothing quite like a bloody good hiding to bring a shithead down to earth.
i have some manukastakes in the garage... :devil2: :whistle: