Why are some truck drivers so angry? A little road rage this morning...

[5ive]

I've had a few cars try and block me on the on-ramps, and Bogan Westies on the North Western Motorway, but never a truck, and never once on the Southern Motorway.


As I approached, everything seemed fine, and the truck was in the middle of the lane.

http://i63.tinypic.com/15yexbm.jpg

Then as I passed, I thought that maybe there was something going on in the far left lane, and that he had to quickly move to the right of his lane to avoid it,

http://i63.tinypic.com/2hp289j.png

but then he stayed there, slowing or speeding up to keep me blocked in behind the car in front of me (there was nothing in front of him when he slowed down).

So I slowed down and tried the other side.

http://i66.tinypic.com/10ribuq.png

Nope, he's blocking me. He was driving right over the white painted lines, as the cars around him started to get as far away as possible.

http://i63.tinypic.com/2miw0o.png

I went back to the drivers side to show him my video camera, and see what his problem was, he blocked me again,

http://i63.tinypic.com/21bxqg.png

and gave me a friendly wave

http://i65.tinypic.com/14chf2o.png

and I was on my way again, as his antics had scared a few other motorists away from him and/or he realised he was on camera.

Looks like this guy doesn't like bikes, and used his truck to block me, and freak out the cars beside and behind him as he squashed them to the edges of their lanes. There was quite a bit of space around him after everyone following or beside him saw his driving.


He seemed really upset, which was a shame. Probably just needs a hug.

Anyone else had any other truck drivers doing this to them?

[jasonu]

Use the phone # on the door.

[Gremlin]

Yep, just call it in... using a vehicle that size as a weapon? Yeah, don't need him behind the wheel. If that number just gets him instead of a fleet owner, report to police.

Important that throughout all that, you maintain situational awareness, don't want to suddenly find traffic stopped in front of you etc. Mostly I find truckers very accommodating, and don't envy their job of moving such rigs in close quarters with muppets.

[5ive]

I'm not that worried, and can't be bothered following it up to be honest. If it was a car I would've just folded a wing mirror in (or out), and carried on.

This was just hilariously funny at the time, stupidly low-speed truck driver road rage, I could've used the far-far left lane at any time, but I thought I'd capture him on video and see what he had to say. He was too upset to talk to me though. He was sooooo angry!

Just wondered if anyone else had come across anything like it.

[RustyO]

Why are some truck drivers so angry?


Probably just needs a hug.

Answered your own question? Probably just needs someone to hold them and tell them its all going to be ok. :hug:

You've got his number... hmmm... maybe its his way of picking up bikers?

[5ive]

Answered your own question? Probably just needs someone to hold them and tell them its all going to be ok. :hug:

You've got his number... hmmm... maybe its his way of picking up bikers?

I didn't get the impression that he was looking for willing participants who are consensual...

[pritch]

I'm not that worried, and can't be bothered following it up to be honest.

Well don't complain if it happens again. You have already gone to some trouble to start this thread, for a similar effort you could have advised his company or the cops. Then when you ran out of energy, it would have been us who missed out on your story. That's the us who can't do anything anyway so...

[The End]

Post the video with a minimum 5 minutes prior to any contact with the truck.

Fast forward it if you must.

[5ive]

Thanks dad.

[The End]

Neville Brothers Ltd

Phone:
09 426 5901

Address:
27 Kahikatea Road
Dairy Flat
Auckland

Website: none active
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Neville-Bros-Cartage-Contractors-103552189763330/

[The End]

If you browse their Facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1119278174857388&id=103552189763330


Please note anybody using the Neville Brothers cartage contractors Page is welcome to leave comments on what they see on the page or by all means definitely post photos of our trucks when you see them around especially when you see them miles away from home.

And everybody is also welcome to leave messages for drivers at any time. But please I ask anybody who wishes to make comments that are not dignified or complaints about anybody employed by Neville Bros or complaints relating to driving matters please contact Neville Bros management on 094265901 they will be happy to discuss any issues brought to their attention through the right channels this page is not monitored by Neville Brothers management and if this page continues to receive complaints Of this nature I will simply remove the post and treat those complaints valid or not as though they were sent to a wrong address.
Cheers admin

The fact they had to make this post shows there are obviously repeat failures in their driver's abilities to drive safely.

[caseye]

Make sure that this truck using barstard is taken off the road, one day he will simply roll over someone.Use the number for Nev bro's management and tell them what happened. The wanker will be gone before lunch.
Big up's to Neville's for putting thier name to a page and for asking for help when it comes to identifying bad behaviour away from the page.

[caspernz]

The graphic on the drivers' door isn't Neville Bros...so I'm wondering if it's one of their recently disposed of units with some of the signwriting left in place? They're usually a fairly laid back crew working there.

My view, grab the rego off the truck from your video and talk to your local Police station. Driver of that unit needs an attitude adjustment me thinks...

[The End]

The graphic on the drivers' door isn't Neville Bros...so I'm wondering if it's one of their recently disposed of units with some of the signwriting left in place? They're usually a fairly laid back crew working there.

My view, grab the rego off the truck from your video and talk to your local Police station. Driver of that unit needs an attitude adjustment me thinks...

The logo seems to be NB and the phone number matches their (Neville bros.) business number.

[Maha]

The logo seems to be NB and the phone number matches their (Neville bros.) business number.

Indeed it does http://www.silverdalebusiness.co.nz/listing/220098

[5ive]

So, anyone else who rides a motorcycle, on the motorway, come across trucks doing this? Or is this a unicorn?

[Oakie]

So, anyone else who rides a motorcycle, on the motorway, come across trucks doing this? Or is this a unicorn?

Were you lane-splitting or filtering?

[jasonu]

I'm not that worried, and can't be bothered following it up to be honest. If it was a car I would've just folded a wing mirror in (or out), and carried on.

This was just hilariously funny at the time, stupidly low-speed truck driver road rage, I could've used the far-far left lane at any time, but I thought I'd capture him on video and see what he had to say. He was too upset to talk to me though. He was sooooo angry!

Just wondered if anyone else had come across anything like it.

If you can't be bothered to follow it up why did you 'bother' to post it here?

Maybe there is more to the story.....
Maybe the OP was riding like a cunt and this wasn't shown in the pix...

[JimO]

no matter what the motorbycilist did the goon in the truck has no right to drive like that

[nzspokes]

You had 4 lanes to choose from, driver had an issue so go for the lane that was furthest away.

[Fisher Don]

no matter what the motorbycilist did the goon in the truck has no right to drive like that

I think the truck driver really needed a strong coffee...:
He had just driven from Silverdale on the Northern and was sick of the stop start driving.
Plus he hates bikers who pass him!
Remember there is two persons involved - the biker with the camera and the truck driver who is waiting for motorway salvation (next to know traffic).
Did you ask him if he had been to Bishop Tamaki's sermon on earthquakes?

[russd7]

be easy on the truckie, he probably stressed to the max due to the eartquake

[JimO]

be easy on the truckie, he probably stressed to the max due to the eartquake
so it would be ok for him to drive over a bike

[5ive]

Were you lane-splitting or filtering?

Both, depending on how the traffic flows.

[russd7]

so it would be ok for him to drive over a bike

:facepalm: sigh

[MarkW]

I have had something similar happen to me from time to time. But it is rare and normally reasonably easy to predict. You can spot the driver ahead eyeing you up in their rear vision mirror[s]. 999 times out of 1,000 then the driver either ignores you or makes some space available if they can. Sometimes you come across the 1 in 1,000. So move nicely across a couple of lanes out of their way, go past and then move back nicely across to at least one car in front of the blocker, give the blocker a nice friendly happy wave and keep going.

[5ive]

If you can't be bothered to follow it up why did you 'bother' to post it here?

Not everyone types with two fingers, and has trouble with digital media. It only took me a couple of minutes during my work day to create the thread at my computer between jobs... Filling out incident reports, and dealing with the police on the other hand, takes longer.

No one was injured, no damage was caused. Reporting it is a waste of my time, and for what outcome? I travel 1000km per week, see worse driving than this, and don't have enough fucks in me to report every little thing I see on the road.

You guys can play private detective though, and stroke your justice-boners as much as you want. Fill your boots ;)


Maybe there is more to the story.....
Maybe the OP was riding like a cunt and this wasn't shown in the pix...

Haha, I have never come across a truck driver doing this before, so was wondering if anyone else had come across similar. I also thought it might be interesting for others to see some local original content that was motorcycle related, and not just reposting old shit from Facebook/elsewhere.

Fill us in on what you think is missing from the story that causes a truck driver to react like that. I'm keen to see what you can come up with :laugh:

[5ive]

I have had something similar happen to me from time to time. But it is rare and normally reasonably easy to predict. You can spot the driver ahead eyeing you up in their rear vision mirror[s]. 999 times out of 1,000 then the driver either ignores you or makes some space available if they can. Sometimes you come across the 1 in 1,000. So move nicely across a couple of lanes out of their way, go past and then move back nicely across to at least one car in front of the blocker, give the blocker a nice friendly happy wave and keep going.

Yeah, wouldn't of worked in this situation. I had already passed his trailer before he saw me, and he floored it and pulled to the right as I came up to his door. There was a 6 metre gap between the front of his truck, and the back of the car in front of me. That quickly closed so I didn't try it.

I didn't know what he was doing until he took his foot off the gas and sat beside the car with an ever increasing gap in his lane in front of him.

[BMWST?]

poor bastards get cut off,pulled out in front of,tailgated,near miss overtaking manouvres from both directions,hassled,checked,measured ,weighed,tooted at ,gestured at,you name it every day ,all day,no wonder they get a little grumpy!

[5ive]

poor bastards get cut off,pulled out in front of,tailgated,near miss overtaking manouvres from both directions,hassled,checked,measured ,weighed,tooted at ,gestured at,you name it every day ,all day,no wonder they get a little grumpy!

I'd hate to see what they'd do on a bad day!

[MarkW]

Yeah, wouldn't of worked in this situation. I had already passed his trailer before he saw me, and he floored it and pulled to the right as I came up to his door. There was a 6 metre gap between the front of his truck, and the back of the car in front of me. That quickly closed so I didn't try it.

I didn't know what he was doing until he took his foot off the gas and sat beside the car with an ever increasing gap in his lane in front of him.

Go back and read your original post, photo 3 shows you on the left of the truck, so you've been able to drop back behind the trailer unit at some stage [unless you have found a flash way of getting over, under or through the trailer drawbar] so at this point in time go one further lane left and you've solved your problem.

[nzspokes]

Go back and read your original post, photo 3 shows you on the left of the truck, so you've been able to drop back behind the trailer unit at some stage [unless you have found a flash way of getting over, under or through the trailer drawbar] so at this point in time go one further lane left and you've solved your problem.

Yeah thats what I was saying in post 20. Get right out of the situation.

[mossy1200]

I don't like it.
Next time learner rider and different result.

[5ive]

Go back and read post #4, I explain what happened there.

You guys are either taking this far too seriously, or are all secret truck drivers :shifty:

[george formby]

You do a good job of making the truckie look like a dick but I wouldn't convict him on it.

I would like to see the vid.

Could you have easily picked another route through the traffic? Is the truckie really a cunt? Could you have provoked him?

[Big Dog]

So, anyone else who rides a motorcycle, on the motorway, come across trucks doing this? Or is this a unicorn?
Not to that extent.
But yes.

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[Roland]

Go back and read post #4, I explain what happened there.

You guys are either taking this far too seriously, or are all secret truck drivers :shifty:

5ive, I'm the admin on the Neville Bros Facebook page, I've gone to the effort of joining here to clear up a couple of issues. Firstly I am a driver for NB and I am the sole admin for the NB FB page and I DO NOT REPORT ANY COMPLAINTS TO THE MANAGMENT OF NEVILLE BROS that appear on MY FACEBOOK PAGE..... therefore the foul language along with the link to this page that has appeared on my page tonight is a complete waste of time from your friends or fellow riding associates. The management of NB has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Facebook page, they know I run it, but that is where it STOPS. Secondly I am very strict and run a clean page with no abusive comments or posts allowed, and I will NOT put up with anyone who tries it on with me as one of your friends have already found out tonight, I will not tolerate any individual posting words like what was posted tonight, it was 4 letters beginning in C and ending in T I'll let you work that one out, My children follow my page and so do many of my followers and I draw the line at that behavior. Finally I will not comment on the driver nor will I comment on his actions as that is for you to follow up with the Neville Bros Management, you have the phone number. If you see fit to make a complaint then please do so through the correct channels, public condemnation is not a fair way to treat any human. Once again please keep this sort of thing off my Facebook page. Cheers

[Madness]

...it was 4 letters beginning in C and ending in T I'll let you work that one out.

Cyst.

:first:

[mossy1200]

5ive, I'm the admin on the Neville Bros Facebook page..................... Once again please keep this sort of thing off my Facebook page. Cheers

Double standard really. Its fine for your driver to flip the bird at someone in public because that is not offensive.
Im not a fan of the C word or your drivers actions.

[Roland]

If you browse their Facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1119278174857388&id=103552189763330



The fact they had to make this post shows there are obviously repeat failures in their driver's abilities to drive safely.

Actually this was posted after only 2 complaints put on my page since I started it 3 years ago, if you had bothered to ask instead of assuming our drivers are all bad drivers, then you might have been told by me that I've had to put up with 1 complaint stalker that harassed my page repetitively till I removed every derogatory post and blocked that person for good, and you know something else the complaint wasn't even driving related. My post you shared was clear in telling everybody whatever the comment or complaint to put it through the right channels. So my knowledgeable friend unless you are me the admin of that page you shared my post from or claim to have some super powers that allow you to access to what goes on in my head, I might suggest you ask if you want to know something about me and my Facebook page. Cheers

[5ive]

I'm sorry you feel that way, however I have not visited Facebook recently, nor encouraged anyone else to.

I have no control over what anyone else says, or does on the Internet.

Your drivers, who are driving your trucks on public roads however, are fair game if they bring attention to themselves through inconsiderate, or reckless driving, as well as inappropriate gestures towards the general public.

It's not illegal to take videos or photos in public places, nor to share them on the Internet.

There may even be some unhappy drivers in other vehicles that were caught up in the antics. Maybe even some dash cam...

If you have a problem with this, the clearest option would be to prevent it from happening in the first place. Most companies have policies in place to deal with this type of thing. It's just a part of being in the 21st century.

Feel free to ask the driver to post here, or share his side of the story. I'd love to hear it :msn-wink:

[Roland]

Double standard really. Its fine for your driver to flip the bird at someone in public because that is not offensive.
Im not a fan of the C word or your drivers actions.

Once again you people are NOT LISTENING that page is MINE NOT THE COMPANYS and THAT DRIVER IS NOT MINE HE IS THE COMPANYS, I run a legitimate friendly page about the trucks we drive and the history of where those trucks have evolved from, so what I'm saying is don't post useless information or leave abuse on MY page when there is a perfectly good phone number on the door of the truck....... Where is the double standards in that, I use the company name to title that page because it would look pretty stupid if I called it BIKERS BLOG and posted nothing but pics of trucks............... AGREED

[Roland]

I'm sorry you feel that way, however I have not visited Facebook recently, nor encouraged anyone else to.

I have no control over what anyone else says, or does on the Internet.

Your drivers, who are driving your trucks on public roads however, are fair game if they bring attention to themselves through inconsiderate, or reckless driving, as well as inappropriate gestures towards the general public.

It's not illegal to take videos or photos in public places, nor to share them on the Internet.

There may even be some unhappy drivers in other vehicles that were caught up in the antics. Maybe even some dash cam...

If you have a problem with this, the clearest option would be to prevent it from happening in the first place. Most companies have policies in place to deal with this type of thing. It's just a part of being in the 21st century.

Feel free to ask the driver to post here, or share his side of the story. I'd love to hear it :msn-wink:

Ok I have no issues with what you do with that video or your pics, it is not my concern and the driver is NOT MINE, please hear me when I say that, the facebook page is mine and my PROBLEM is this has filtered through MY FB page and I know you have no control over it and that is why I'm here now asking for whom ever has been posting on MY FB page to cut it out SIMPLE. I've copied one post but its the only one I've saved as I'm going to forward it on to facebook as a complaint myself, I have kids following and reading this page and this sort of thing is unacceptable, Read it for yourself ''Jason Ulyatt Apparently one of your guys drives like a cunt.'' Ifhttp://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/.../181498-Why-are-some-truck...

Why are some truck drivers so angry? A little road rage this morning...
I've had a few cars try and block me on the on-ramps, and Bogan Westies on the North Western Motorway, but never a truck, and never once on the Southern Motorway. As I approached, everything seemed fine, and the truck was in the middle of the lane. http://i63.tinypic.com/15yexbm.jpg Then as I passed...
kiwibiker.co.nz

If you know this person then you now have the evidence of what my issue is all about. AGREED

[jasonu]

Ok I have no issues with what you do with that video or your pics, it is not my concern and the driver is NOT MINE, please hear me when I say that, the facebook page is mine and my PROBLEM is this has filtered through MY FB pageabout. AGREED

If the driver in the pix habitually drives like a cunt and actually runs someone down you will be asked (by your company and the police) why you didn't alert your company when you were first made aware of his cunt like driving.




Isn't social media fun.:devil2:

[nzspokes]

Ok I have no issues with what you do with that video or your pics, it is not my concern and the driver is NOT MINE, please hear me when I say that, the facebook page is mine and my PROBLEM is this has filtered through MY FB page and I know you have no control over it and that is why I'm here now asking for whom ever has been posting on MY FB page to cut it out SIMPLE. I've copied one post but its the only one I've saved as I'm going to forward it on to facebook as a complaint myself, I have kids following and reading this page and this sort of thing is unacceptable, Read it for yourself ''Jason Ulyatt Apparently one of your guys drives like a cunt.'' Ifhttp://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/.../181498-Why-are-some-truck...

Why are some truck drivers so angry? A little road rage this morning...
I've had a few cars try and block me on the on-ramps, and Bogan Westies on the North Western Motorway, but never a truck, and never once on the Southern Motorway. As I approached, everything seemed fine, and the truck was in the middle of the lane. http://i63.tinypic.com/15yexbm.jpg Then as I passed...
kiwibiker.co.nz

If you know this person then you now have the evidence of what my issue is all about. AGREED

To be fair your FB page is setup to look like a company page so you will get this from time to time.

I have found most truck drivers good when filtering, they to give you room.

[mossy1200]

Once again you people are NOT LISTENING that page is MINE NOT THE COMPANYS and THAT DRIVER IS NOT MINE HE IS THE COMPANYS, I run a legitimate friendly page about the trucks we drive and the history of where those trucks have evolved from, so what I'm saying is don't post useless information or leave abuse on MY page when there is a perfectly good phone number on the door of the truck....... Where is the double standards in that, I use the company name to title that page because it would look pretty stupid if I called it BIKERS BLOG and posted nothing but pics of trucks............... AGREED

Why dont you get it sorted. If you have a front face for the company on facebook one assumes you care about the company image.
If your saying you dont care about how the drivers conduct themselves and are only interested in how clean some trucks are thats fine perhaps you might ask the boss to contact the motorcyclist involved directly.

Your facebook page looks like it represents the company.

[Jeff Sichoe]

Roland man you gotta calm down it's just some words on a screen nigga

why don't you just use this opportunity to talk to your kids about language and how it evolves over time and how words can mean more or less to different people.

[Akzle]

and this sort of thing is unacceptable, Read it for yourself ''Jason Ulyatt Apparently one of your guys drives like a cunt.'' Ifhttp://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/.../181498-Why-are-some-truck...

Why are some truck drivers so angry? A little road rage this morning...
I've had a few cars try and block me on the on-ramps, and Bogan Westies on the North Western Motorway, but never a truck, and never once on the Southern Motorway. As I approached, everything seemed fine, and the truck was in the middle of the lane. http://i63.tinypic.com/15yexbm.jpg Then as I passed...
kiwibiker.co.nz

If you know this person then you now have the evidence of what my issue is all about. AGREED


...:

I wonder if roland is clever enough to science.

guess what rolando, I have kids who go in cars to places, and if a truckie (or anyone) is being a cunt, I announce the fact, usually with associated gestures and a "what the fuck" or two.
this teaches them about a) not being a cunt in public where your behavior affects others and b) expressing your feelings and c) non-verbal communication with others.

what the fuck kind of weirdo kid gives a fuck about a fb page dedicated to neville brothers trucks??

[Tazz]

Just wondered if anyone else had come across anything like it.

Yep. Heaps with truckies in NZ. To me they're worse than people who are obstructive or dangerous through ignorance as they know exactly what they are doing.

[Doppleganger]

5ive, I'm the admin on the Neville Bros Facebook page, I've gone to the effort of joining here to clear up a couple of issues. Firstly I am a driver for NB and I am the sole admin for the NB FB page and I DO NOT REPORT ANY COMPLAINTS TO THE MANAGMENT OF NEVILLE BROS that appear on MY FACEBOOK PAGE..... therefore the foul language along with the link to this page that has appeared on my page tonight is a complete waste of time from your friends or fellow riding associates. The management of NB has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Facebook page, they know I run it, but that is where it STOPS. Secondly I am very strict and run a clean page with no abusive comments or posts allowed, and I will NOT put up with anyone who tries it on with me as one of your friends have already found out tonight, I will not tolerate any individual posting words like what was posted tonight, it was 4 letters beginning in C and ending in T I'll let you work that one out, My children follow my page and so do many of my followers and I draw the line at that behavior. Finally I will not comment on the driver nor will I comment on his actions as that is for you to follow up with the Neville Bros Management, you have the phone number. If you see fit to make a complaint then please do so through the correct channels, public condemnation is not a fair way to treat any human. Once again please keep this sort of thing off my Facebook page. Cheers

Roland like it or not your the face (see what I did there) for your company, one of your company's drivers attempted to use his vehicle in a way that endangered the lives of several others on the road in an attempt to run into one of the most vulnerable of road users namely a motorcyclist.
Man....take some ownership of this incident and do the right thing by your company.

[Big Dog]

Hey 5ive, quick question... what do to hope to see in your mirrors?
Drivers side is looking at the passenger lane and the passenger side is looking for help from above.

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[pritch]

what the fuck kind of weirdo kid gives a fuck about a fb page dedicated to neville brothers trucks??

Yeah, I was wondering about that.

[5ive]

Hey 5ive, quick question... what do to hope to see in your mirrors?
Drivers side is looking at the passenger lane and the passenger side is looking for help from above.

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I always fold one in when filtering/splitting, leaving the other angled enough to see down the narrow car corridor behind. The pictures here are a little misleading though, the camera is angled up from below chin height. My eyes are higher and looking down into the mirror.

It creates a wider gap to pass through, as my mirrors are at the same height as most cars when angled up, and I head check when using the mirrors or not anyway.

In the pictures here, I've had to pull the left one in as well (as pictured with my hand on it), because there is a truck moving into my lane... with both mirrors in, I've just used my head to look around instead. Pretty easy to do when travelling below 30km/ph as I was mostly doing when not trying to overtake the truck.

[The End]

I always fold one in when filtering/splitting, leaving the other angled enough to see down the narrow car corridor behind. The pictures here are a little misleading though, the camera is angled up from below chin height. My eyes are higher and looking down into the mirror.

It creates a wider gap to pass through, as my mirrors are at the same height as most cars when angled up, and I head check when using the mirrors or not anyway.

In the pictures here, I've had to pull the left one in as well (as pictured with my hand on it), because there is a truck moving into my lane... with both mirrors in, I've just used my head to look around instead. Pretty easy to do when travelling below 30km/ph as I was mostly doing when not trying to overtake the truck.

Just post the video already so:

1) We get a full understanding of the situation
2) See your direct involvement (if any)
3) Any evidence is then indisputable as to what happened/didn't happen

[Jeff Sichoe]

fuuck poor guy thought he'd post up a quick video for a few laughs and maybe some funny / informative tales of similar situations and now you're all on here like the fucking police hitting the guy up for 'evidence' so 'We get a full understanding of the situation'

[5ive]

Haha, and it's not going to happen. I live on a lifestyle property in a rural area, and am mostly off-grid, so don't have a phone line or internet at home.

Uploading HD videos from work isn't going to happen either, so a few pictures worth a handful of MB, is all that there is.

In before conspiracy theories about how I manipulated a truck driver to do it...

[Hemi Makutu]

This joker is a real bloody comedian..

I'd reckon it likely - he was the bastard driving the truck too...

[Roland]

If the driver in the pix habitually drives like a cunt and actually runs someone down you will be asked (by your company and the police) why you didn't alert your company when you were first made aware of his cunt like driving.




Isn't social media fun.:devil2:

Yes social media is fun, as I have expressed If the rider of the motorbike wishes to make a complaint to the company or the police that is his decision, I am just a driver that has no authority to intervene in company matters that do not concern me. I suspect the manegment will already be aware of the situation by now but no complaint no action, kind of simple to work out really but clearly your to focused on the word cunt to see the logic 👀

[The End]

I suspect the manegment will already be aware of the situation by now but no complaint no action

To be honest if you are the director/manager of a company and are aware of an issue like this, you're a bit of a prick if you don't take action against the driver involved.


We know our drivers drive like dickheads, but no one has been killed and no one has complained so we won't do anything about it!


(not saying this is you, as you've clearly described your involvement (or lack there of) in this situation.)

[Roland]

To be fair your FB page is setup to look like a company page so you will get this from time to time.

I have found most truck drivers good when filtering, they to give you room.

I absolutely agree with you yes it is the company name but that is why I have made a good effort to put a disclaimer regarding any complaints are to be forwarded to the company management. But in my defence I can't call page anything other than what it is focused on, as I stated in a previous post it would be silly of me to call it the bikers blog and post nothing but big green trucks I would lose the ability to capture the intended audience, I only came on here to ask for people Who have access to this page to please stop posting this material on my Facebook page, I did not come here to engage in the rights and wrong of another person driving nor did I come here to engage in any type of argument, I appreciate your recognition towards truck drivers and all I can say is we should play together because L real enemy is usually a car. I hope you understand where I am coming from. Cheers

[The End]

I absolutely agree with you yes it is the company name but that is why I have made a good effort to put a disclaimer regarding any complaints are to be forwarded to the company management. But in my defence I can't call page anything other than what it is focused on, as I stated in a previous post it would be silly of me to call it the bikers blog and post nothing but big green trucks I would lose the ability to capture the intended audience, I only came on here to ask for people Who have access to this page to please stop posting this material on my Facebook page, I did not come here to engage in the rights and wrong of another person driving nor did I come here to engage in any type of argument, I appreciate your recognition towards truck drivers and all I can say is we should play together because L real enemy is usually a car. I hope you understand where I am coming from. Cheers

Might I suggest a name change to any of the following to prevent such confusion from happening again:


NZ Truck Blog
NZ Truck Photos
Photos of Neville Brothers Trucks
Sexy Neville Bros Trucks
Sexy Trucks NZ
18 i̶n̶c̶h̶e̶s̶ Wheels Fan Club
Neville Brothers Trucks - Please note this isn't an official page, it is a fan page so please call 09 426 5901 to complain to management about their drivers




How do I change my Facebook page name?

https://www.facebook.com/help/271607792873806




That last one might be a bit long on second thought :lol:

[Hemi Makutu]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdRqXb2cLqw

[The End]

For the record I'm still calling bullshit on the whole "this isn't actually our company's Facebook page".


The Facebook page only posts about Neville Brother's trucks and the contact phone number on the page is the direct line for Neville Brothers.

Whether you like it or not, in today's age your Facebook page is a representation of your company. People will use it to complain, people will use it to talk about your business for better or worse.

[Hemi Makutu]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuJzSTNDUGI

[Roland]

Okay I came on here to ask something simple, I did not come on here shouting the odds and running down motorcycles excuse The pun. Forgive me for enjoying a shiny truck and remember I did not put you down for enjoying a shiny Motorbike. Obviously there are a number of members on this page who wish to only see things from one side and have made my visit to this page so desirable I just can't wait to return. Just a couple of things before I go and leave you all in peace,
Firstly I am just a driver!!!
Secondly I don't drive Mitsubishi trucks as pictured so I can't be driving the truck in these pictures
Thirdly unlike some of you I give a shit about what my children and my grandchildren read and I'm comfortable knowing in my own mind they will grow up to be respectful and normal unlike some people I have recently dealt with
Finally someone suggested I give my boss is the contact details for the motorbike rider that originally posted this, well guess what I don't know him or her from a bar of soap I have no name and I have no number so I guess that bright idea won't happen.
You all enjoy your lives however short they maybe, and I'll just keep on truckin 🚚

[Old Steve]

Hey KBers, Roland came on here to politely ask us not to post complaints and use bad language on his private FB page, and he's been very civil in his request. Lets treat him with the respect that he's displayed towards our site, huh?

And OP, if you've got a complaint about that truck driver then get in touch with Neville Bros management, their phone number is available, pick up the phone and have a chat.

I find truck drivers are universally considerate, if I'm filtering they most often ease away from the gap to make more room for me (and that's not always easy for them to do with 18 plus wheels) and I always try to give them a 'thank you' wave once I've passed. I guess that a number of truckies are motorbike riders too. I admire the skills that truck drivers have, I have to think about every movement of the steeering wheel when backing a trailer behind my car, and they move those rigs (sometimes with the equivalent of up to 32 wheels and with a steerable trailer dolly) like they're Dinky toys.

Have a good day Roland, cheers, and I'll wave to all those Neville Bros trucks when I see them just in case you're behind the wheel of one.

[Scubbo]

Definitely common in my lane-splitting adventures on the motorway and it's always those same type of trucks (maybe that look attracts a certain kind of kunt? driver) the same truck with the extra trailer tend to be great drivers (but I guess thats a step above in licensing)


So, anyone else who rides a motorcycle, on the motorway, come across trucks doing this? Or is this a unicorn?

[Pound]

Once again you people are NOT LISTENING


You people?

Piss off you racist, self righteous prick.

You think you can just come on here and ram your opinions down our throats and expect us to silently nod our heads?

Pretentious cunt...............AGREED

[5ive]

Hey KBers, Roland came on here to politely ask us not to post complaints and use bad language on his private FB page, and he's been very civil in his request. Lets treat him with the respect that he's displayed towards our site, huh?

And OP, if you've got a complaint about that truck driver then get in touch with Neville Bros management, their phone number is available, pick up the phone and have a chat.

I find truck drivers are universally considerate, if I'm filtering they most often ease away from the gap to make more room for me (and that's not always easy for them to do with 18 plus wheels) and I always try to give them a 'thank you' wave once I've passed. I guess that a number of truckies are motorbike riders too. I admire the skills that truck drivers have, I have to think about every movement of the steeering wheel when backing a trailer behind my car, and they move those rigs (sometimes with the equivalent of up to 32 wheels and with a steerable trailer dolly) like they're Dinky toys.

Have a good day Roland, cheers, and I'll wave to all those Neville Bros trucks when I see them just in case you're behind the wheel of one.

You didn't read this thread either then, just posted in it? Haha.

[Hemi Makutu]

You didn't read this thread either then, just posted in it? Haha.

He did plenty of hypocritical 'SHOUTING' & a major whining/whinge act too though, to be fair..


Had to be a "smart cunt" * taking the bloody piss..




* Ref: 'Bad Boy Bubby' movie, & classic... "I can't stand smart cunts!" - catch phrase..

[mojo1444]

This is fun to read... :rolleyes:
but then it started to turn into a catfight talk going back and forth which I thought the other better half normally do... LOL

Any way boys we are all here to have a laugh or two and enjoy big toys or small toys. and of course give opinions whats life without opinons :brick:

of course going to the extend to subscribe and police ones language is a bit off.

Another point I would like to make if you want to complain or raise attention about an issue (good manners will take you a long distance) if you ride like you talk then I expect a short ride for you. as every force or action has a reaction and do not expect anything less unless your force is nothing compared to the brick wall your talking too (just made that up :nya:)

[Maha]

guess what rolando, I have kids who go in cars to places, and if a truckie (or anyone) is being a cunt, I announce the fact, usually with associated gestures and a "what the fuck" or two.
this teaches them about a) not being a cunt in public where your behavior affects others and b) expressing your feelings and c) non-verbal communication with others.



You seriously believe that a cunt driver of any vehicle, would give a toss about what a fag in a shitty pedo-wagon.... thinks about his/her driving? :weird:

[5ive]

I don't want to ruffle any feathers here, but I also have my HT licenses, and Track endorsement, because I used to also drive trucks, and heavy, tracked vehicles.

So no truck, or truck driver hate is coming from me :msn-wink:

Have a good weekend all, I'm off to enjoy this weather.

[Old Steve]

You didn't read this thread either then, just posted in it? Haha.

Yeah, I read it all. I think Roland came on and made a polite request for us not to post complaints on his private FB page. And he stated that he didn't like the language used and had deleted it. Sure he got frustrated, because he explained a couple of times that it was a private FB page on which he posted images of the trucks he drove and not an official Neville Bros site, and yet people continued to argue with him about his site.

Some here couldn't or wouldn't understand that his was a private page, sure he posted pictures of the Neville Bros trucks on it but it was never an official Neville Bros site. I think we owe Roland an apology.

[ellipsis]

I think we owe Roland an apology.


...is this the 'royal we'... or the collective we...or just some of the 'we'...don't presume to count me in your 'we'...

[Hemi Makutu]

Yeah, I read it all. I think Roland came on and made a polite request for us not to post complaints on his private FB page. And he stated that he didn't like the language used and had deleted it. Sure he got frustrated, because he explained a couple of times that it was a private FB page on which he posted images of the trucks he drove and not an official Neville Bros site, and yet people continued to argue with him about his site.

Some here couldn't or wouldn't understand that his was a private page, sure he posted pictures of the Neville Bros trucks on it but it was never an official Neville Bros site. I think we owe Roland an apology.


Right joker eh, Steve...

[Pound]

I think we owe Roland an apology.


No "we" don't.

What the hell is wrong with this apologetic, pansy ass generation of sensitive, entitled "cry baby born" flowers?

"Oh but it's my right to be offended!"

As Chopper would say......... "SIT DOWN AND HARDEN THE FUCK UP!"

[BuzzardNZ]

I have found most truck drivers good when filtering, they to give you room.

That's because the truckies see you as a bigger ( wider ) threat.

https://65.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltkyzsgM5M1r13m08o1_500.jpg

[Akzle]

That's because the truckies see you as a bigger ( wider ) threat.


Oh! The humanatee!

[caseye]

Oh! The humanatee!

Aw Cripe's He made a rhym!!!!!!!!!!!!

[nzspokes]

That's because the truckies see you as a bigger ( wider ) threat.



Still quicker than you.

[granstar]

"Round and round and round it goes, when will it stop, no one knows."

[BuzzardNZ]

Still quicker than you.

Fatter,yes. quicker, I doubt it, take a lot of extra HP on your firestorm with your fat arse on it to beat me. Ever heard of power to
weight ratio? ( hint, you loose in 1 part of that ratio ).

https://ninjakitties.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/walrus.png

[nzspokes]

Fatter,yes. quicker, I doubt it, take a lot of extra HP on your firestorm with your fat arse on it to beat me. Ever heard of power to
weight ratio? ( hint, you loose in 1 part of that ratio ).



Clearly a degree has not made you any smarter.

[BuzzardNZ]

Clearly a degree has not made you any smarter.

Says Mr Mensa, the obese salad dodging safety guru of Auckland, who'se always on the lookout for new suspension as he's so fat he broke
the original springs. Don't need a degree to figure out that something's wrong here and it's probably not the bike.

[nzspokes]

Says Mr Mensa, the obese salad dodging safety guru of Auckland, who'se always on the lookout for new suspension as he's so fat he broke
the original springs. Don't need a degree to figure out that something's wrong here and it's probably not the bike.

Let me guess, you have an Art's degree. :laugh:

[BuzzardNZ]

Let me guess, you have an Art's degree. :laugh:

Not even close. I'd suggest you do a basic course in nutrition, as preaching all that bike safety stuff you do, ain't gonna
save you if you have a heart attack while riding. Sure you probably have the skills not to die on the road, but I think it's your diet ( probably KFC )
that will finish you off early.

[nzspokes]

Not even close. I'd suggest you do a basic course in nutrition, as preaching all that bike safety stuff you do, ain't gonna
save you if you have a heart attack while riding. Sure you probably have the skills not to die on the road, but I think it's your diet ( probably KFC )
that will finish you off early.

You spend your time playing war on a computer screen?

[BuzzardNZ]

You spend your time playing war on a computer screen?

If I did, you'd be a fucking easy target!

[rocketman1]

Driver..Better watch his back!!!

[Maha]

Driver..Better watch his back!!!

Because bikers are really tough and will hunt you down to deliver a king hit................ on the internet.

[Hemi Makutu]

Because bikers are really tough and will hunt you down to deliver a king hit................ on the internet.

Well, guess that's that then, huh...

[The End]

Not even close. I'd suggest you do a basic course in nutrition, as preaching all that bike safety stuff you do, ain't gonna
save you if you have a heart attack while riding. Sure you probably have the skills not to die on the road, but I think it's your diet ( probably KFC )
that will finish you off early.

For the record, there's a significant difference between a heart attack and a cardiac arrest.

Something someone with a degree should know, no? :killingme

[BuzzardNZ]

For the record, there's a significant difference between a heart attack and a cardiac arrest.

Something someone with a degree should know, no? :killingme

And I don't. Perhaps you ( see below ) might be on hand to apply the defibrillator when the imminent heart attack / cardiac arrest comes along!

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/4qMll6irv60/maxresdefault.jpg

[The End]

And I don't. Perhaps you ( see below ) might be on hand to apply the defibrillator when the imminent heart attack / cardiac arrest comes along!



Only if you give me the hot nurse outfit first :love:

[nzspokes]

And I don't.

Thats obvious.

[BuzzardNZ]

Only if you give me the hot nurse outfit first :love:


your size?


if not, possibly will fit Spokes

http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/24000/Fat-Cow-Nurse-24363.jpg

[The End]

your size?


if not, possibly will fit Spokes



Bigger baby, only the best for you.


i love how far this thread has been derailed.

[Maha]

your size?


if not, possibly will fit Spokes

http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/24000/Fat-Cow-Nurse-24363.jpg

'Oversized Image Removed' does that mean the picture itself or the over sized thing in the picture :eek:

[nerrrd]

Oh, the humanity.

Poor Roland, he didn't know what he was letting himself in for...silly clot.

[nzspokes]

your size?


if not, possibly will fit Spokes

http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/24000/Fat-Cow-Nurse-24363.jpg

Must have been a pic of a SV1000. Probably dirty.

[R650R]

The original post shows nothing other than being flipped the bird.... the truck is in its lane the entire time (prob rolling a smoke).
Meanwhile the GoPro hero (sic) is deliberately positioning his bike closer than needed to a large vehicle with multiple blind spots in busy traffic.

[R650R]

Hey KBers, Roland came on here to politely ask us not to post complaints and use bad language on his private FB page, and he's been very civil in his request. Lets treat him with the respect that he's displayed towards our site, huh?

And OP, if you've got a complaint about that truck driver then get in touch with Neville Bros management, their phone number is available, pick up the phone and have a chat.

I find truck drivers are universally considerate, if I'm filtering they most often ease away from the gap to make more room for me (and that's not always easy for them to do with 18 plus wheels) and I always try to give them a 'thank you' wave once I've passed. I guess that a number of truckies are motorbike riders too. I admire the skills that truck drivers have, I have to think about every movement of the steeering wheel when backing a trailer behind my car, and they move those rigs (sometimes with the equivalent of up to 32 wheels and with a steerable trailer dolly) like they're Dinky toys.

Have a good day Roland, cheers, and I'll wave to all those Neville Bros trucks when I see them just in case you're behind the wheel of one.

Agree with you Steve.

Trucking is a very family orientated industry and truck Facebook pages like this done fan style by extended family or friends are common.
Even if it was a proper actual business page it's poor form to post like that on there, and also liable under NZ defamation law even if driving was bad.

[Hemi Makutu]

Agree with you Steve.

Trucking is a very family orientated industry and truck Facebook pages like this done fan style by extended family or friends are common.
Even if it was a proper actual business page it's poor form to post like that on there, and also liable under NZ defamation law even if driving was bad.

Super dry - so droll, joker or what eh, R650R, hehehe..

[Hemi Makutu]

For the record, there's a significant difference between a heart attack and a cardiac arrest.

Something someone with a degree should know, no? :killingme

What is then? Do you know, eh fella?

& prognosis-wise, what signs show that bastard truck driver will have one shortly, perhaps while behind the wheel ?

[Akzle]

and also liable under NZ defamation law even if driving was bad.

well actually....

~"the truth shall be a defense against..."

and in a jewry of it's peers, most here would call the cunt a... well, cunt.

[trustme]

I'll tells ya why truck drivers are so angry. They are sick of dumb arse fuctards drivers cutting them off , squeezing into gaps that don't exist, saving on energy by not indicating, pulling out in front of them without enough space forcing the truck to brake just so the fucktard can beat the truck [ like 44t can stop on a dime ], Fucktards have a total right to sit in your blind spot safe in the knowledge that they are completely in the right & then full of indignation when the truck hits them because he simply can't see them. Yadah yadah yadah

I'm amazed truck drivers are not more angry.

Mean time some pesky little 2 wheeled mosquito snivels about ' my space ' as he lane splits moving traffic.

[caspernz]

The thing that amazes me is how much time and energy the OP spent on this topic on KB.

A 5 minute phone call would've got a result, instead on here it's the proverbial storm in a teacup dissected 19 different ways...:wacko::drool::facepalm:

[Hemi Makutu]

I'll tells ya why truck drivers are so angry. They are sick of dumb arse fuctards drivers cutting them off , squeezing into gaps that don't exist, saving on energy by not indicating, pulling out in front of them without enough space forcing the truck to brake just so the fucktard can beat the truck [ like 44t can stop on a dime ], Fucktards have a total right to sit in your blind spot safe in the knowledge that they are completely in the right & then full of indignation when the truck hits them because he simply can't see them. Yadah yadah yadah

I'm amazed truck drivers are not more angry.

Mean time some pesky little 2 wheeled mosquito snivels about ' my space ' as he lane splits moving traffic.


'Professional' drivers ( an oxymoronic title for most of 'em) have an obligation to keep their heads pulled well in,
& that goes for bloody taxi drivers, let alone 'truckies' who can do a heap more damage by their stupidity..

Bike riders who have no talent for it - tend to weed themselves out, & usually with comparatively little harm to others..

[nzspokes]

The thing that amazes me is how much time and energy the OP spent on this topic on KB.

A 5 minute phone call would've got a result, instead on here it's the proverbial storm in a teacup dissected 19 different ways...:wacko::drool::facepalm:

I would have just gone past and forgot about it.

[Luckylegs]

The thing that amazes me is how much time and energy the OP spent on this topic on KB.

A 5 minute phone call would've got a result, instead on here it's the proverbial storm in a teacup dissected 19 different ways...:wacko::drool::facepalm:

Suspect youll find hes invested sweet fa time based on the posts i saw. This thread has lurtched along on the stupidity of his fellow kb'rs

...oh and roland o'precious-truckspotter

[Maha]

The thing that amazes me is how much time and energy the OP spent on this topic on KB.

A 5 minute phone call would've got a result, instead on here it's the proverbial storm in a teacup dissected 19 different ways...:wacko::drool::facepalm:

Or take a leaf out of a certain Mitsubishi Fagna...:girlfight:


I announce the fact, usually with associated gestures and a "what the fuck" or two.
this teaches them about expressing your feelings and non-verbal communication with others.

[Hemi Makutu]

Was the comment by some precious princess who redrepped me - for suggesting that backing Roland was a joke..

[trustme]

'Professional' drivers ( an oxymoronic title for most of 'em) have an obligation to keep their heads pulled well in,.

You could say the same of motobycyclists, they are the most exposed & yet regularly on the AK motorways they are the people taking the greatest risks. Then when it all goes pear shaped . :baby::baby:

Truck drivers do not have to pull there head in. They have as much right to be on the road as anyone else.

Not defending this driver, he's been a dick

[WristTwister]

Do you typically ride around with your hi-beams on?



http://i63.tinypic.com/2hp289j.png


Having your hi-beams in people's mirrors might be enough reason for them to get pissy at you.

[Hemi Makutu]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY0zxJVsu44

[kiwi cowboy]

...is this the 'royal we'... or the collective we...or just some of the 'we'...don't presume to count me in your 'we'...

I almost weeed myself at this.

[Berries]

I almost weeed myself at this.
Now now. Don't take the piss.


Or if you do, do it in a bottle and chuck it out the window like all truck drivers do.

[jonbuoy]

I'll tells ya why truck drivers are so angry. They are sick of dumb arse fuctards drivers cutting them off , squeezing into gaps that don't exist, saving on energy by not indicating, pulling out in front of them without enough space forcing the truck to brake just so the fucktard can beat the truck [ like 44t can stop on a dime ], Fucktards have a total right to sit in your blind spot safe in the knowledge that they are completely in the right & then full of indignation when the truck hits them because he simply can't see them. Yadah yadah yadah

I'm amazed truck drivers are not more angry.

Mean time some pesky little 2 wheeled mosquito snivels about ' my space ' as he lane splits moving traffic.

They get paid to drive. Everyone paid to do a job takes a bite of the shit sandwich every now and then. 75% of truck drivers are good. The remainder need to remember they are driving a demolishion ball on wheels. And 99% of taxi and small van drivers are cunts. Bring on self driving vehicles. Humans are too stupid to cope.

[trustme]

They get paid to drive. Everyone paid to do a job takes a bite of the shit sandwich every now and then. 75% of truck drivers are good. The remainder need to remember they are driving a demolishion ball on wheels. And 99% of taxi and small van drivers are cunts. Bring on self driving vehicles. Humans are too stupid to cope.

Does this stupidity extend to motorcyclists . Our accident rate suggests that indeed it does.

[mossy1200]

I suspect the manegment will already be aware of the situation by now but no complaint no action.

So the company policy is the well being of other road users is irrelevant until someone complains correctly?

[R650R]

So the company policy is the well being of other road users is irrelevant until someone complains correctly?

If only you knew the level of BS driving complaints transport companies get... Some anonymous rant on a social media platform wouldn't even register. Even before the days of *555 and god forbid dashcamsandsocisl media their were all sorts of frivolous complaints...

Companies take safety and driver behaviour very seriously these days. Complaints fines and accidents impact on the OSR scheme which directly affects rego costs and insurance.

If something is a legitimate safety concern a road user should phonethe police immediately. Not wait hours or days later til you have time to whine about it on social media.

Idiots like the original poster only serve to upset truck drivers and give bikers a bad name. Thank god a lot of truckers also ride bikes and work 14 HR days and don't have time to whine about some of the piss poor riding they see....

[Racing Dave]

Thank god a lot of truckers ... work 14 HR days ....

Do you think that it'd be safer for all road users if truck drivers kept to the legally allowed driving hours?

[caspernz]

Does this stupidity extend to motorcyclists . Our accident rate suggests that indeed it does.

Now there's some sense in that assertion, unfortunately.



So the company policy is the well being of other road users is irrelevant until someone complains correctly?

For all we know, said driver has been spoken to. Certainly would have in our outfit if this type of thing surfaced on social media.



Do you think that it'd be safer for all road users if truck drivers kept to the legally allowed driving hours?

A workday 14 hrs from start to finish is actually legit, as stupid as this may appear to many. Achieved by 13 hrs duty plus 2 x 30 minute unpaid breaks.

[trustme]

I'm far from convinced that driving over 14 hours is widespread. Yes it happens , a few may do it regularly but if you are doing line haul it becomes hard to keep your log book straight enough to avoid close inspection by CVIU.
I've been over hours, if you get a blow out at Maramarua heading back to AK & are out of hours by the time you get going are you really going to park up. It was not a habitual thing .
I don't think any reputable company would allow it.

[jonbuoy]

Does this stupidity extend to motorcyclists . Our accident rate suggests that indeed it does.

A lot of bikers drive like cocks too. Including myself on occasion. The difference is I'm not paid to drive for a living and if I shoot into the back of a car it will leave a nasty dent and a smear on the roof but it won't flatten it like a pancake and instantly kill everyone in the car. As much as we would all like to flip our colleagues and customers the bird or "accidentally" knock the boss on his arse in the corridor we don't - well not without loosing our jobs or ending up in court.

[Maha]

A lot of bikers drive like cocks too. Including myself on occasion. The difference is I'm not paid to drive for a living.

A question on this point of your post...

If you were to be paid for driving your car, would you drive differently?

[jasonu]

A question on this point of your post...

If you were to be paid for driving your car, would drive differently?

If your company name is printed on it you had better or else you and your company might wind up on Kiwi Bickerer...

[Maha]

If your company name is printed on it you had better or else you and your company might wind up on Kiwi Bickerer...

This is correct....and you don't want to mess with bikers..........on the internet, they're to fucking tough.

[jonbuoy]

A question on this point of your post...

If you were to be paid for driving your car, would drive differently?

If I had paying passengers, or a 20 ton truck I would be more cautious. Aren't you more cautious with a pillion?

[Big Dog]

A question on this point of your post...

If you were to be paid for driving your car, would drive differently?
I can't speak for jb, however my answer would be yes.

Just as when computers were just a hobby I took less care about the sites I visited and didn't much care that I drove the crappiest hardware known to man well beyond it's intended use and often crashed.

When your livelihood depends on something you treat it differently.
For the last decade and a half my income has to some degree been dependent on my having a clean license.
Consequently I rarely speed and it is unlikely to be by much.

Going back another couple of years before that I did my heavy goods and trailer licenses. My perspective on the road changed then too.
Far more aware of what other road users can and cannot see, and how valuable a little patience is.

If I were driving 10 hours a day I'd like to think I would make good choices around nutrition, sleep, exercise... and be man enough to take a break when things got to me.
I don't always succeed at those things now... but then I don't drive a multi tonne killing machine for a living.
I do a pretty good job of staying alert and not hitting anyone for the 10 hours a week behind bars and the 5-10 hours behind the wheel.
If I crash and burn at my job money is likely to be the only loss, a lot of it, but still only money.



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[Maha]

If I had paying passengers, or a 20 ton truck I would be more cautious. Aren't you more cautious with a pillion?

My question was on this sentence that you wrote...no mention of paying passengers, or a 20 ton truck. You could be Pizza delivery driver.
''A lot of bikers drive like cocks too. Including myself on occasion. The difference is I'm not paid to drive for a living''.

[Hemi Makutu]

It always bemused me when the boss would call in those who'd received traffic offences in the company fleet..
If driving on company time, I considered it a basic duty to drive within the road rules. Period.

On my own time, & particularly on a bike - it is a much more a matter of personal choice/judgement...

[jonbuoy]

My question was on this sentence that you wrote...no mention of paying passengers, or a 20 ton truck. You could be Pizza delivery driver.
''A lot of bikers drive like cocks too. Including myself on occasion. The difference is I'm not paid to drive for a living''.

If my job was to drive then yes I would be cautious about loosing my licence for speeding or careless driving. I wouldn't flick the finger at someone in a sign written car in company time.

[5ive]

Guess who!

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Must be the same guy, or company policy.

Unfortunately he timed it wrong, and couldn't get the truck moving fast enough when the right hand lane started moving again :lol:

Until next time, mr professional truck driver :heart:

[R650R]

Guess who!



If him moving over 6 inches is the difference between your quasi legal lane splitting being safe or not I think maybe its you that needs looking at.
A recognisable potential hazard exists, one that you've been evidently well aware of in previous circumstances. Yet YOU choose to deliberately position yourself in danger for a few seconds of gopro internet glory.....

BTW ere you mirrors folded out this time. Going back to start of thread doesn't look like they are in a position to safely monitor other traffic....

Stop being a fool, let it go....

[5ive]

Wow, you seem really upset about me posting this. Are you a truck driver who hates lane splitting as well?

Unless something changes, and the police cars and bikes I split/filter past on a regular basis start crackng down on it, I'm going to continue doing it the same way as safely as I can on my daily commute:whistle:

Interesting opinion you have, but it's not really moving over 6 inches in their lane which caught my attention, that happens with most traffic depending on the road layout and traffic flow. It was crossing onto or over the dotted lines, combined with the aggressive accelleration and deceleration in order to box my bike in which was the problem, and that driving behaviour affects the other vehicles around the truck as well... I have never seen another truck do this, and if he does that to me, he'll no doubt do it to other riders.

But yeah, let's blame me and my mirror(s), and my obvious gopro internet glory :facepalm:

[nzspokes]

Unless something changes, and the police cars and bikes I split/filter past on a regular basis start crackng down on it, I'm going to continue doing it the same way as safely as I can on my daily commute:whistle:


Im not a truck driver, I ride to work through Aucklands motorway system. I find most trucks pull over for me if room is tight and I always give them a wave. But I dont shot the gap or need to pull my mirrors in.

So do us all a favour and sort your attitude, I dont want to be held up on the motorway while a road crew has to wipe what remains of you up. :brick:

[Berries]

Must be the same guy, or company policy.
Or someone pulling right to give the bike splitting on his left some room?

Love the third photo. Ute with its brakes on and a line of traffic in front of it and you sitting between the truck and trailer unit with a narrowing gap in front of you. Good skills.

Not sure what reaction you expect from posting this up on here. We all know there are idiots out there.

[rastuscat]

I always laugh when riders expose a few seconds of someone elses' bad driving to shame them.

I just think about the hours of bad riding they don't disclose for fear of getting in the doo.

[Scubbo]

only takes 1 time to go wrong then its byebye bike and possible long term injuries/death from even slow lane splitting, especially if you are rarking up a truck driver who might continue driving while youre under the wheels

take it easy bro, concussions arent nice, loosing a bike is even worse !

[trufflebutter]

Would it be fair to say that some who lane split are under the illusion that those unfortunate slow movers being split are somehow expected to make room for them?

When splitting, your focus is only on whats going on ahead, it is the same in a vehicle when your in that dire situation of negotiating a slow moving carpark while trying to stay focused on whats going on ahead. No real time to look for bikes lane splitting.

In my view, it is up to the rider alone, to make sure his/her path that is taken, is the safe option.

[R650R]

Wow, you seem really upset about me posting this. Are you a truck driver who hates lane splitting as well?

But yeah, let's blame me and my mirror(s), and my obvious gopro internet glory

I work off highway now operating a variety of machines but have done over 2 million km's truck driving in several countries.
Keen motorbiker all round and used to lane split a lot wheen needed, rare to need to these days where i am.

What I'm upset about is you failing to take ownership of your own actions and options. Yes other people do dumb stuff lots on the road, but its silly to deliberatly place yourself into that situation that you acknowledge is dangerous just so you can film the guy. I bet you recognised that truck long before you put yourself close enough to get thsoe frame grabs....

And the folded in mirrors, what if another bike is sneaking up on you and pops past? Theres always another bike splitting that does it faster than you so you need your mirrors out to be aware of whats behind you. Most likely a cop will be pushing up the outside lane lights flashing going to an emergency further ahead. If your not aware of that youll be pushed over by the cars that are looking in their mirrors.

Seeing as its taken you nearly three months to get new footage it suggests that thousands of other trucks operated around you safely during this time and your just stalking and hating on one operator.....

[R650R]

I just think about the hours of bad riding they don't disclose for fear of getting in the doo.

Guilty as charged :) Used GoPros and also other camera systems lot in trucks and bikes. It takes AGES to accumulate enough interesting footage to edit down to a five minute (people just don't watch longer stuff) watchable video.
Its a lot of work sifting out the odd sloppy lane position, brief overspeeds, accidental tailgating, excessive acceleration, farts and seat shuffling to put a video into a public forum :)

God I'd love to see the out takes reel for 10/7 and motorway patrol! :)

[Scubbo]

nah, just learn how to use quicksync or opencl of your intel/amd cpu + video card. turns hours of encoding into minutes

[Tazz]

I always laugh when riders expose a few seconds of someone elses' bad driving to shame them.

I just think about the hours of bad riding they don't disclose for fear of getting in the doo.

Depends if it's a genuine mistake (SMIDSY's are on bikes too) or a concious act of stupidity/aggression I reckon. No on is perfect but those that go out of their way to be dickheads deserve all the shame and tickets they get.

[5ive]

Over-reaction much. In case others are skipping from the first post to the last and missing the rest:


I had already passed his trailer before he saw me, and he floored it and pulled to the right as I came up to his door. There was a 6 metre gap between the front of his truck, and the back of the car in front of me. That quickly closed so I didn't try it.

I didn't know what he was doing until he took his foot off the gas and sat beside the car with an ever increasing gap in his lane in front of him.


(On the 300) I always fold one in when filtering/splitting, leaving the other angled enough to see down the narrow car corridor behind. The pictures here are a little misleading though, the camera is angled up from below chin height. My eyes are higher and looking down into the mirror.

It creates a wider gap to pass through, as my mirrors are at the same height as most car's when angled up, and I head check when using the mirrors or not anyway.

In the pictures here, I've had to pull the left one in as well (as pictured with my hand on it), because there is a truck moving into my lane... with both mirrors in, I've just used my head to look around instead. Pretty easy to do when travelling below 30km/ph as I was mostly doing when not trying to overtake the truck.

Hope that answers/dispels the questions and assumptions, and reduces repetition.

So I wasn't splitting at great speed, slower in fact, due to the rain. A wide gap was maintained to account for random vehicle movement/positioning, and an even wider gap was created at mirror height (to avoid any accidental clipping of car mirrors). All whilst still having perfect rearward vision of the narrow space all the way behind (much like the mirror in front of your head in a car to see directly behind you). I'm quite comfortable using my mirror(s), even whilst filtering, I ride relaxed and move my head around when I need to. I see any traffic approaching from the rear and let them past when possible, and fold the mirror out again when in not filtering/splitting. Also, no close or closing gaps were snuck through in either of these events, as there were no gaps left once the truck had moved over and adjusted speed. The truck driver was trying to stop any lane splitting or filtering.

The moral of the story is: My mirrors are not driving the truck, and the truck is not stealthily approaching from behind so that I can not see it, so calm down folks.


Im not a truck driver, I ride to work through Aucklands motorway system. I find most trucks pull over for me if room is tight and I always give them a wave. But I dont shot the gap or need to pull my mirrors in.

So do us all a favour and sort your attitude, I dont want to be held up on the motorway while a road crew has to wipe what remains of you up. :brick:

See above, no mirrors folded, or "shot the gap" happened, there was plenty of room until the truck decided that "I shalt not pass", not sure where my version of lane splitting/filtering is any different than yours, you might even be travelling at faster speeds/differentials than I do, but we don't actually know :facepalm:


Or someone pulling right to give the bike splitting on his left some room?

Love the third photo. Ute with its brakes on and a line of traffic in front of it and you sitting between the truck and trailer unit with a narrowing gap in front of you. Good skills.

No one was splitting in the left hand lane (unless they were far behind and going a lot quicker, and the truck driver was clairvoyant), or I would have seen/heard them well before I got to the truck, or after it had passed and in front of the truck. We know it wasn't really another bike.

The traffic was barely moving yesterday (neither was I), and often stationary. Mostly due to the weather. The brake lights were often being used just to stop the vehicles with automatic transmissions from creeping forward, and the manual transmissions from rolling backwards... then short bursts of acceleration before the next slow down/stop.

I had already passed the back of his trailer before he saw me, and he floored it and pulled to the right as I came up to his door. Same as the first time he did this... I was in a safe position with a gap in front and behind me, the FOV, angle, and height of the camera might be a little misleading in terms of perspective. You can watch the last vehicle all you want, but it's what the cars ahead are doing that I pay more attention to when it comes to seeing how the upcoming traffic will act, or if any opportunities for lane changes will occur (for them or myself).

I could see that the traffic in front was going to accelerate faster than the truck, so I maintained a safe distance and followed until it was safe to pass...


Would it be fair to say that some who lane split are under the illusion that those unfortunate slow movers being split are somehow expected to make room for them?

When splitting, your focus is only on whats going on ahead, it is the same in a vehicle when your in that dire situation of negotiating a slow moving carpark while trying to stay focused on whats going on ahead. No real time to look for bikes lane splitting.

In my view, it is up to the rider alone, to make sure his/her path that is taken, is the safe option.

I fully agree, and don't think that I implied otherwise? I don't expect anyone to make room, but am appreciative when it happens. I take all steps to avoid personal injury, or property damage (short of staying at home, and watching the wallpaper all day).

It would also be fair to say that those same slow moving vehicles are expected to drive safely, and not put others at risk by going out of their way to take aggressive action against other road users. Like purposefully crossing the center line and moving parts of their vehicle into your lane, such as mirrors, and large truck parts.


What I'm upset about is you failing to take ownership of your own actions and options. Yes other people do dumb stuff lots on the road, but its silly to deliberatly place yourself into that situation that you acknowledge is dangerous just so you can film the guy. I bet you recognised that truck long before you put yourself close enough to get thsoe frame grabs....

And the folded in mirrors, what if another bike is sneaking up on you and pops past? Theres always another bike splitting that does it faster than you so you need your mirrors out to be aware of whats behind you. Most likely a cop will be pushing up the outside lane lights flashing going to an emergency further ahead. If your not aware of that youll be pushed over by the cars that are looking in their mirrors.

Seeing as its taken you nearly three months to get new footage it suggests that thousands of other trucks operated around you safely during this time and your just stalking and hating on one operator.....

There are a series of pictures that tell the basics of the story, and I've provided some text to accompany them, and have answered other peoples questions about the reasons why some things are the way they are, but you seem to want to ignore all of this just to fit your own narrative. Is it you driving the truck? Do you feel that I'm slighting the name of all good truckers everywhere because I showed that one was acting up?

I didn't hang around or stop to take a picture the second time, didn't even know it was him/that company till I got to the cab and he started driving like a rally car driver, as it's not the same truck or it's been repainted/sign-written.

I'm not actively doing anything with the camera, it's just capturing the general direction of where I look when I ride... I'm not screaming "OMG I was in danger call the police!", as the situations all happened at low speed, and were largely under control (except for the guy in the truck). He was a little out of control, and I wondered if this behavior was normal, hence the thread in the first place. During my nearly 100,000 km of on-road riding/commuting by motorcycle, he's the ONLY truck driver/company doing it that I have seen myself, so of course he's the only one pictured here. Happy coincidence? Funny that ;)

So I actively avoided his nonsense, and safely carried on my way when it was safe to do so, it was all over in seconds. I take full ownership of all of my own actions, so not sure what you're expecting of me. Take ownership of his actions as well? He is actually doing nothing wrong?

Only a handful of people from this forum know me, or have seen me ride, pretty sure it takes more than a handful of upward angled, off-center, high-FOV pictures (of the moment a truck starts acting erratically) at shoulder height to properly analyse someones riding ability or behavior whilst filtering. You're only seeing 1 frame out of 25 over a matter of seconds/minutes, so I'm not sure how some people's over-worked imaginations are holding up :eek5:

Meanwhile, a truck is intentionally driving towards and over the white lines as lane motorcyclists try to pass safely... :laugh:

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[Scubbo]

mate we say check yourself because we care :love:

[5ive]

mate we say check yourself because we care :love:

Thanks a bunch guys, I care about me too!:cry:

[rastuscat]

Everyone has an idea of who the problem is.........someone else.

Most don't know it, but they also have a picture of the solution....................go into the bathroom and look in the mirror.

[Stylo]

my pc is sub-affordable. it's old. it was second hand when i got it. and i can still do that shit.
it's not a big problem, let alone my biggest one (and you certainly have bigger problems)

but carry on.

Early night for you Akzle ?

Put the kettle on, fill your hottie, make a cup of milo then head off to bed aye ?

[Akzle]

Early night for you Akzle ?

Put the kettle on, fill your hottie, make a cup of milo then head off to bed aye ?

i dont have "a hottie", milo is manufactured by nestle, who are the devil, and why the fuck'd i go to bed? i'm on crack. i'll be here for days.
just hanging out waiting for your enlightened contribution.

[madbikeboy]

Guess who!

Must be the same guy, or company policy.

Unfortunately he timed it wrong, and couldn't get the truck moving fast enough when the right hand lane started moving again :lol:

Until next time, mr professional truck driver :heart:

Seriously, if he's done it twice to you, then he's doing it to other bikes as well. I saw a prick in an Audi S3 try to push around a learner on a little 250 yesterday, when we got to the next lights I pulled along side and gave him a talking to. Hopefully problem sorted. Problems don't just go away, bullies don't one day grow up into actual humans, the meek won't inherit jack shit.

[Jin]

Truck driver is trying to block the biker and you guys jump up and down about him being a bad rider. You really are a bunch of old sad bastards eh.

[caseye]

Truck driver is trying to block the biker and you guys jump up and down about him being a bad rider. You really are a bunch of old sad bastards eh.

Would it be fair to say you're a young buck with an attitude that rides at 100K+ ph While splitting traffic which itself is moving at 90Kph, would it?
Too easy isn't it?
Happens, get around them and carry on in a sensible and courteous manner,all will give you the room you need then?Not!
Be ready, stay alive, live to ride another day and don't worry about being right, worry about getting there in one piece.

[Berries]

Truck driver is trying to block the biker and you guys jump up and down about him being a bad rider. You really are a bunch of old sad bastards eh.
Shit happens like this all the time. It's only the Go-Pro generation who are making it out to be a big deal because they have video evidence and somehow feel a 21st century need to spread it around as if the rest of us actually care. Newsflash. We don't. Give the twat some room, go around them, forget about it and move on.

If you keep worrying about what happened behind you you won't see what is going on ahead and then you really are fucked. But I am sure it will make good video.

[caspernz]

As a trucker and biker I see two sides to this.

As a trucker I can't stand it when bikers duck and weave thru traffic that is moving 50+ especially in the narrowed sections with road works happening. One temporary rider I've seen a few times now rides a 250 or 300 Ninja, with L plate to boot, ducking thru traffic with a differential speed of 30+ so accident waiting to happen. But hey, if this chap loses it and gets run over by my unit I'll likely not lose any sleep over it.

As a rider, if one is dicking around to the point a truck can pull a blocking move, then I'd suggest there's something hinkey in the situational awareness and forward planning areas. Yeah ok, maybe I'm a little restrained in my lane splitting, but I've not had many weird moves by other traffic pulled on me while lane splitting. The vast majority of such events are rather predictable, and like Berries already said, deal with it and get on with life.

[5ive]

As a trucker and biker I see two sides to this.

As a trucker I can't stand it when bikers duck and weave thru traffic that is moving 50+ especially in the narrowed sections with road works happening. One temporary rider I've seen a few times now rides a 250 or 300 Ninja, with L plate to boot, ducking thru traffic with a differential speed of 30+ so accident waiting to happen. But hey, if this chap loses it and gets run over by my unit I'll likely not lose any sleep over it.

As a rider, if one is dicking around to the point a truck can pull a blocking move, then I'd suggest there's something hinkey in the situational awareness and forward planning areas. Yeah ok, maybe I'm a little restrained in my lane splitting, but I've not had many weird moves by other traffic pulled on me while lane splitting. The vast majority of such events are rather predictable, and like Berries already said, deal with it and get on with life.


I can deal with it, and my life is fine thanks, hope yours is going well also.

As a motorcyclist, and previous driver of trucks and other heavy vehicles, I have observed some weird behaviour on the roads, but nothing like this.

Both of my interactions with this truck happened when the traffic was moving between 0 and 40kp/h max, my speed was not much higher than the traffic flow, and the truck driver only started his aggressive driving once I was past his trailer, so unless you're willing to slide underneath a truck and trailer like a stunt rider in a hollywood movie (not possible of course), you're not actually able to avoid it at all.

Of the 60+ other trucks that I pass on my daily commute, none move an inch in my direction like this. A lot of them actually move in the other direction...

I'm not new to riding/filtering/splitting, so am well aware of what is going on around me, and this was quite unpredictable behaviour. So much so in fact, that this is the only time I have seen this from a truck, and posted it here to see if it was normal. Seems it isn't...

Video is probably a better medium for this, as the pics don't seem to get the situation across, and just invite imaginative specualtion instead.

It's quite clear when looking at the pictures. The truck is in the centre of its own lane when approaching, then for absolutely no reason at all it is suddenly having trouble filling in the colouring book between the lines, and instead is inviting itself over for dinner. Very friendly, but not tonight thanks.

[caspernz]

If this is as out of character as you reckon, how about hitting Neville Bros up about it then? That's what I'd want if I was the transport manager...

[5ive]

Thank you for responding to my reply.

These questions have been asked and answered earlier in this thread, and it was really only ever supposed to be a simple thread telling a quick story and asking if this was a common occurance or not for others, as it was the first time I'd ever encountered it for myself.

I would've just contacted the company involved and skipped making the thread if I wanted or cared for them to do something about the one truck/driver out of the thousands that I've passed so far that did something different, but didn't know if it was par for the course when commuting the Auckland motorway as a motorcycle rider or not. I'd been doing it for a while, but I could've just been lucky not to have experienced it myself until then.

Who better to ask than KB members who might do the same commute, and had done it for longer?

It also seems that some other forum members have already tried contacting the company themselves anyway, although via Facebook, but it didnt seem to do much. If it happens a third time I might contact the company directly, but the frequency/chance of this happening again is pretty slim. I do a lot of k's though, so maybe, depending on how far the truck moves out of its lane, or any other untoward behaviour.

Funnily enough, the second time I posted pics was just supposed to be a cheeky update about 12,000km later, as the next and only other time it occured, it just happened to be the exact same driver/company.

So it seems it's not really a common thing associated with trucks, but rather this driver/company. Probably just driver though... as no one (or not many) here seems to have had any similar experiences with trucks - although it could be debated wether or not many who posted here actually ride that often or far, or in the same circumstances, especially compared to how often they post drive-by comments loaded with assumptions anyway.

I guess I ruffled some feathers.

Sorry KB, I'll refrain from posting new threads, or updating this thread, and just get back to riding my motorcycle.

Thanks for all reading and posting,

Au Revoir.

[jasonu]

I can deal with it, and my life is fine thanks, hope yours is going well also.

As a motorcyclist, and previous driver of trucks and other heavy vehicles, I have observed some weird behaviour on the roads, but nothing like this.

Both of my interactions with this truck happened when the traffic was moving between 0 and 40kp/h max, my speed was not much higher than the traffic flow, and the truck driver only started his aggressive driving once I was past his trailer, so unless you're willing to slide underneath a truck and trailer like a stunt rider in a hollywood movie (not possible of course), you're not actually able to avoid it at all.

Of the 60+ other trucks that I pass on my daily commute, none move an inch in my direction like this. A lot of them actually move in the other direction...

I'm not new to riding/filtering/splitting, so am well aware of what is going on around me, and this was quite unpredictable behaviour. So much so in fact, that this is the only time I have seen this from a truck, and posted it here to see if it was normal. Seems it isn't...

Video is probably a better medium for this, as the pics don't seem to get the situation across, and just invite imaginative specualtion instead.

It's quite clear when looking at the pictures. The truck is in the centre of its own lane when approaching, then for absolutely no reason at all it is suddenly having trouble filling in the colouring book between the lines, and instead is inviting itself over for dinner. Very friendly, but not tonight thanks.

If you are that upset why don't you go to the trucking company and talk to the manager?

[madbikeboy]

I guess I ruffled some feathers.

Sorry KB, I'll refrain from posting new threads, or updating this thread, and just get back to riding my motorcycle.

Au Revoir.

Son, this place here is KiddieBiker. If you aren't ruffling some feathers, then the night nurses have fluked it and gotten all the meds right. Don't apologise, it only encourages the idiots.

You're polite and well written. Keep that part up. Plus logical. Which will annoy many of the inmates. There's something about sitting in front of keyboards that brings out the fucktard in some people.

[R650R]

it was really only ever supposed to be a simple thread telling a quick story and asking if this was a common occurance or not for others, as it was the first time I'd ever encountered it for myself.

I would've just contacted the company involved and skipped making the thread if I wanted or cared for them to do something about the one truck/driver out of the thousands that I've passed so far that did something different


One minute he's trying to kill you nek minnit your saying its not even bad enough for you to care to contact the company or police even....
You should make yourself aware of NZ defamation laws, you've publicy slandered this company and the driver. Even if was doing as you describe its illegal for you to publicly describe the company and driver as reckless.
Welcome to the internet... BTW I've already been down this road, I posted some frames showing another truck passing me in an improper fashion... funny thing was forum members were split 50/50 if it was normal behaviour which blew my mind.....
So for future reference its either bad enough to notify police or just suck it up and move on with life... personally I've given up on *555 and let Darwin take its course...

[madbikeboy]

One minute he's trying to kill you nek minnit your saying its not even bad enough for you to care to contact the company or police even....
You should make yourself aware of NZ defamation laws, you've publicy slandered this company and the driver. Even if was doing as you describe its illegal for you to publicly describe the company and driver as reckless.
Welcome to the internet... BTW I've already been down this road, I posted some frames showing another truck passing me in an improper fashion... funny thing was forum members were split 50/50 if it was normal behaviour which blew my mind.....
So for future reference its either bad enough to notify police or just suck it up and move on with life... personally I've given up on *555 and let Darwin take its course...


Wordsworth, publish and be damned. If it's true, then it's not defamatory. He has video footage. Simple.

There's also the ideal of honest comment. For example, if I say it's my honest opinion that Axkle isn't right in the head, then Axkle can't bring a successful action so long as I can prove it's my honest opinion. Clearly, it has to have some validity. Which I think would be easy enough to prove.

Some of the bush lawyers on this site need to go to school and get qualifications. Like I did. And then ignore them because drinking and fucking were more fun than a life wearing a suit. As you were.

[rastuscat]

Some of the bush lawyers on this site need to go to school and get qualifications. Like I did

Explains quite a lot. It's good to have some informed comment on here.

Good, but uncommon.

99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name. But that's just my honestly held opinion.

[Big Dog]

Explains quite a lot. It's good to have some informed comment on here.

Good, but uncommon.

99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name. But that's just my honestly held opinion.
Are you calling him a 1%er?

Sent from Tapatalk. DYAC

[Akzle]

.

Some of the bush lawyers on this site need to go to school and get qualifications. Like I did. And then ignore them because drinking and fucking were more fun than a life wearing a suit. As you were.

oh NOW i see you're problem.

your sober and full to brimming with jizz and shit.

[GrayWolf]

oh NOW i see you're problem.

your sober and full to brimming with jizz and shit.

Not your first cousin by some chance?

[Akzle]

Not your first cousin by some chance?

that foreigner?? naw. "he's" only been here 3 generations, you know.

[madbikeboy]

Explains quite a lot. It's good to have some informed comment on here.

Good, but uncommon.

99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name. But that's just my honestly held opinion.

I elected to change course, I kept going with school but never sat my profs. So, I'm not a lawyer. I use my powers for good instead.

You know why lawyers wear neckties? It stops their foreskins slipping over their heads.

What happens when you feed a lawyer Viagra? He gets taller.

What do you call a BMW with five lawyers driving over a cliff? A waste, you could two more in the trunk.

What's the difference between a lawyer and a judder bar? You don't reverse back over a judder bar.

I can do this all week.

[madbikeboy]

oh NOW i see you're problem.

your sober and full to brimming with jizz and shit.

For fucks sake. You can use capitals. Why not choose your moment and use them at the beginning of sentences. Also, totally wrong use of you're and your in two sentences. Ironic or tragic? You decide.

Isn't there a parade for people like you tomorrow?

[rastuscat]

I elected to change course, I kept going with school but never sat my profs. So, I'm not a lawyer. I use my powers for good instead.

You know why lawyers wear neckties? It stops their foreskins slipping over their heads.

What happens when you feed a lawyer Viagra? He gets taller.

What do you call a BMW with five lawyers driving over a cliff? A waste, you could two more in the trunk.

What's the difference between a lawyer and a judder bar? You don't reverse back over a judder bar.

I can do this all week.

Ahh, law student.

I've had a few law students telling me the law over the years. What would I know. After all, I only spent 25 years enforcing them.

Worst I ever had was the year 13 son of a QC telling me I had no right to write him up for a red light offence. Daddy chewed his arse when he found out.

[madbikeboy]

Ahh, law student.

I've had a few law students telling me the law over the years. What would I know. After all, I only spent 25 years enforcing them.

Worst I ever had was the year 13 son of a QC telling me I had no right to write him up for a red light offence. Daddy chewed his arse when he found out.

No. Law degree completed. Along with two others including a Masters degree. That conclusion you just lept to was wrong.

In NZ, I think most cops have a working awareness of criminal law. But I've talked to a couple of cops who were reaching. I think most people are clueless when it comes to their rights and how small the boundaries are for things like self defence and protection...

[ellipsis]

For fucks sake. You can use capitals. Why not choose your moment and use them at the beginning of sentences. Also, totally wrong use of you're and your in two sentences. Ironic or tragic? You decide.

Isn't there a parade for people like you tomorrow?


...you are really just another twat dribbling his self all over a keyboard...beyond boring...

[madbikeboy]

...you are really just another twat dribbling his self all over a keyboard...beyond boring...

You can go fuck yourself as well.

[ellipsis]

You can go fuck yourself as well.

...like I said previously...:whistle:...

[Berries]

Some of the bush lawyers on this site need to go to school and get qualifications. Like I did.
Bravo, well done and a big huzzah.


You're my hero.

[rastuscat]

You're my hero.

Hold on, I thought I was your hero........

[Akzle]

Also, totally wrong use of you're and your in two sentences. Ironic or tragic? You decide.

Isn't there a parade for people like you tomorrow?

I don't think you understand the question. Or the definition of irony.

As to a parade, while they absolutely should hold them in my honour, their a bit of a waste of time all round. Unless their's free candy and drugs.
Vote akzle.

[Akzle]

What would I know. After all, I only spent 25 years enforcing them.



*legislature

What, indeed. "This is the way we've always whipped dead horses"

We'll have a chat one day, me an' you.

[awayatc]

You can go fuck yourself as well.

If after all you have supposedly learned , with your few degrees and a masters,

Your best effort at a comeback is that

Then either education isn't what it's made out to be

Or it was wasted on you...

[Berries]

Hold on, I thought I was your hero........
I think you have me mixed up with Axle.

[jasonu]

Ahh, law student.

I've had a few law students telling me the law over the years. What would I know. After all, I only spent 25 years enforcing them.

Worst I ever had was the year 13 son of a QC telling me I had no right to write him up for a red light offence. Daddy chewed his arse when he found out.

Are you saying because a cop enforces laws he actually knows what he is talking about law wise?

[Akzle]

If after all you have supposedly learned , with your few degrees and a masters,

Your best effort at a comeback is that

Then either education isn't what it's made out to be

Or it was wasted on you...
:rofl: rbgiafp!

I think you have me

lets just keep it honest shall we.

[rastuscat]

Are you saying because a cop enforces laws he actually knows what he is talking about law wise?

For sure most cops have a pretty good grasp of the laws they are enforcing. Not all, but certainly most.

Most have a more detailed knowledge of it than the average punter. Because it's them who get the egg on their face when it goes pear shaped.

Of course, it's easy to pick out individual examples of where cops have made mistakes. For every one of those examples, there are a hundred where it has gone right.

[pritch]

For sure most cops have a pretty good grasp of the laws they are enforcing. Not all, but certainly most.

Most have a more detailed knowledge of it than the average punter. Because it's them who get the egg on their face when it goes pear shaped.

Of course, it's easy to pick out individual examples of where cops have made mistakes. For every one of those examples, there are a hundred where it has gone right.

My understanding is the Traffic cops of old used to write up the paperwork by the roadside. They needed to have sufficient knowledge of the relevant laws to do that. Police now may or may not always do this, they take it back to the station where they can consult their betters. Particlularly if they are not specialist traffic cops.

The guy who told me that was a former Chief Traffic Officer so he may have been biased. Or not.

[FJRider]

My understanding is the Traffic cops of old used to write up the paperwork by the roadside. They needed to have sufficient knowledge of the relevant laws to do that. Police now may or may not always do this, they take it back to the station where they can consult their betters. Particlularly if they are not specialist traffic cops.

The guy who told me that was a former Chief Traffic Officer so he may have been biased. Or not.

The trucks and regulations pertaining to trucks and heavy vehicles were not so stringent or complicated as they are today. There is specialized heavy vehicle inspection teams working throughout the country (known by truckies as the God Squad).

http://www.police.govt.nz/advice/driving-and-road-safety/commercial-vehicle-enforcement-cviu

Most Highway patrol will only stop trucks for obvious issues and rule breaking. If they dont have scales (Most HP dont) ... they may order said truck to a weigh bridge nearby if they believe it is (could be) overweight.

Any safety issues and the truck can ordered off the road. This is not a "drive it home and fix it" order ... the vehicle must be transported or repaired where it is.

Taking it back to the station is no longer an option.

[Stylo]

Haven't read this thread from start to finish but, how much feedback has there been from Truckies themselves ?

I don't drive a truck but work in an industry very dependant on them , hmm

[madbikeboy]

If after all you have supposedly learned , with your few degrees and a masters,

Your best effort at a comeback is that

Then either education isn't what it's made out to be

Or it was wasted on you...

My mother warned me about loose women. She was right, but for the wrong reasons.

Being the king of quick wit and repartee would be like being the tallest pygmie on this site. Years ago I got slated for intellectual musings. Hence giving precisely zero fucks on this here website.

[caspernz]

Haven't read this thread from start to finish but, how much feedback has there been from Truckies themselves ?

I don't drive a truck but work in an industry very dependant on them , hmm

There's been naff all feedback from actual truckies, for we're all either out trucking or riding our motorcycles. Maybe seeing off the odd prostitute but that's another tangent altogether...

The amount of contact I've had with Police or CVIU over the years has been varied, none of which has been any big deal to me personally.

The incident described by the OP should have been dealt with by going directly to the trucking firm concerned, IMHO. But no, let's have a good old whine on Kiddiebiker about it instead...

I give lane splitting bikers room where there's some to spare, but get a wee bit miffed with the lads who splice up between traffic in the narrowed roadworks sections.

[Stylo]

There's been naff all feedback from actual truckies, for we're all either out trucking or riding our motorcycles. Maybe seeing off the odd prostitute but that's another tangent altogether...

The amount of contact I've had with Police or CVIU over the years has been varied, none of which has been any big deal to me personally.

The incident described by the OP should have been dealt with by going directly to the trucking firm concerned, IMHO. But no, let's have a good old whine on Kiddiebiker about it instead...

I give lane splitting bikers room where there's some to spare, but get a wee bit miffed with the lads who splice up between traffic in the narrowed roadworks sections.

Thanks Casper , nice to see the start of some balance in all this.

[Brett]

I don't think you understand the question. Or the definition of irony.

As to a parade, while they absolutely should hold them in my honour, their a bit of a waste of time all round. Unless their's free candy and drugs.
Vote akzle.

I'd vote for you. As site nutter.

Chur bro.

[Brett]

My mother warned me about loose women. She was right, but for the wrong reasons.

Being the king of quick wit and repartee would be like being the tallest pygmie on this site. Years ago I got slated for intellectual musings. Hence giving precisely zero fucks on this here website.

This site is but a shadow's fart of what it was prior to 2010. Ahhh the good old days...

[Akzle]

For sure most cops have a pretty good grasp of the laws they are enforcing. Not all, but certainly most.

Most have a more detailed knowledge of it than the average punter. Because it's them who get the egg on their face when it goes pear shaped.

Of course, it's easy to pick out individual examples of where cops have made mistakes. For every one of those examples, there are a hundred where it has gone right.

*legislation

yeah. but also, and more like, nah. cops have a script to follow.
i wonder if you ever wonder, why you use the (legalese) language you do. so far 10/10 cops i've dealt with, do not.
i suspect you're no different.
don't get me wrong. you seem like one of the better ones, saving communities together and shit. just...misguided. so terribly misguided. and with that quaint old faith of "king-and-country" sanctimonious bullshit.


Police now may or may not always do this, they take it back to the station where they can consult their betters. Particlularly if they are not specialist traffic cops.

iphone yo. shit's all "on the wire" MAN! scan your barcode and the ticket's IN THE MAIL, MAN! don't even need to cite the statute or nothing... got a legal defense? waste your time with a LAWyer man! cop's don't know that shit.
want legal section on the phone? habeus corpus at 3AM? every lawyerjew loves a comedian, and the cops that bring them to em.



Most Highway patrol will only stop trucks for obvious issues and rule breaking. If they dont have scales (Most HP dont) ... they may order said truck to a weigh bridge nearby if they believe it is (could be) overweight.


HP might not but those CVIU wagons do. and fuck if they wont lay them out for you to put a tractor over.

get a real fucking job you dickheads. like $6000 of soft rubber is going to fuck the road.

[R650R]

Any safety issues and the truck can ordered off the road. This is not a "drive it home and fix it" order ... the vehicle must be transported or repaired where it is.

Taking it back to the station is no longer an option.

No its just the same as cars, CVIU and cops will use their individual discretion as to whether a fault is serious enough immediately order off road or direct to drive a suitable distance to repair.
An exception is failing COF inspection, ist immediately invalid even if time left to run and can only drive direct to place of repair or back to depot to park up.

[R650R]

If it's true, then it's not defamatory. He has video footage. Simple.

There's also the ideal of honest comment. For example, if I say it's my honest opinion that Axkle isn't right in the head, then Axkle can't bring a successful action so long as I can prove it's my honest opinion. Clearly, it has to have some validity. Which I think would be easy enough to prove.

Some of the bush lawyers on this site need to go to school and get qualifications. Like I did. And then ignore them because drinking and fucking were more fun than a life wearing a suit. As you were.

Ahhh I did get qualifaction relevant several times in various writing and editing studies. You're WRONG.
NZ defamation law (and copyright) is very different to just about the entire rest of the western world for some reason.
If you make a public statement that say Brand X is unreliable or contaminated because oif yada yada yada.... then Brand X can sue you for losses even if it is true. Eg its well accepted that many engine treatment profducts are perhaps less effective than they claim, if you made a public statement about Brand XYZ being a waste of money then they could sue you for lost sales if they plummet.
Its rarely utilised as its bad publicity upon bad but a reason why many of our politicians make very true claims under parliamentary privelidge but will never repeat the same words outside of parliament when the media does it for them.....

[R650R]

My understanding is the Traffic cops of old used to write up the paperwork by the roadside. They needed to have sufficient knowledge of the relevant laws to do that. Police now may or may not always do this, they take it back to the station where they can consult their betters. Particlularly if they are not specialist traffic cops.

The guy who told me that was a former Chief Traffic Officer so he may have been biased. Or not.

They have Uncle google now with their ipads.... the CVIU have caravans where they make themselves s a latte while they photocopy your logbook pages for half an hour....

[madbikeboy]

Ahhh I did get qualifaction relevant several times in various writing and editing studies. You're WRONG.
NZ defamation law (and copyright) is very different to just about the entire rest of the western world for some reason.
If you make a public statement that say Brand X is unreliable or contaminated because oif yada yada yada.... then Brand X can sue you for losses even if it is true. Eg its well accepted that many engine treatment profducts are perhaps less effective than they claim, if you made a public statement about Brand XYZ being a waste of money then they could sue you for lost sales if they plummet.
Its rarely utilised as its bad publicity upon bad but a reason why many of our politicians make very true claims under parliamentary privelidge but will never repeat the same words outside of parliament when the media does it for them.....

Lol, okay then. The level of proof required is commensurate with the claim. So, how is that VW can't sue everyone for talking about Dieselgate? ... ...

How does the consumer website get away with their testing and recommendation programme? ... ....

How can product marketing do product comparisons? ...

How can road tester's rank cars and motorcycles? ... .....

The offended party can bring an action for defamation, but how often are they successful when it's true?

[awayatc]

My mother warned me about loose women. She was right, but for the wrong reasons.

Being the king of quick wit and repartee would be like being the tallest pygmie on this site. Years ago I got slated for intellectual musings. Hence giving precisely zero fucks on this here website.


That's a bit of a shame....

A bit of wit goes a long way...

It takes intelligence to be funny.

And good wordsmiths are always appreciated by most...

Being condescending though isn't

It takes all sorts to make a site interesting

[madbikeboy]

That's a bit of a shame....

A bit of wit goes a long way...

It takes intelligence to be funny.

And good wordsmiths are always appreciated by most...

Being condescending though isn't

It takes all sorts to make a site interesting

I'm not condescending in the slightest. The best part of being in this gutter is that I can see the stars above me (that's a paraphrasing of someone far more intelligent and literary than I).