Bus lanes [Archive] - Kiwi Biker forums

hokckeyholic

20th November 2016, 22:39

Have a look here...

https://at.govt.nz/driving-parking/motorcycles-and-scooters/motorcycle-safety/

Only on roads controlled by AT - NOT on motorway bus lanes.

I'm mostly wondering about the short lanes leading up to intersections and the lanes that say stuff like 'buses only may go straight ahead from the left lane'-are we allowed here? Also obviously not the motorway, but is everywhere else fine to?

Tazz

21st November 2016, 02:25

Ignore the forums and check the council website. They make the rules, not the forums......;)

Moi

21st November 2016, 10:57

I'm mostly wondering about the short lanes leading up to intersections and the lanes that say stuff like 'buses only may go straight ahead from the left lane'-are we allowed here? Also obviously not the motorway, but is everywhere else fine to?

I'd suggest you look on the AT site about bus lanes in the various areas and if it isn't listed as such then it's not a bus lane.

There's one like that at the top of Mt Eden Rd where it joins New North Rd and Symonds Street - it's not marked as a bus lane, just signed that "buses only may turn right from left lane". I'd suggest if you turned against the lane arrow and were seen by a Popo you might earn yourself a ticket. Or if you annoy other drivers by doing it, you might not enjoy their attention either.

Swoop

21st November 2016, 13:50

I'm mostly wondering about the short lanes leading up to intersections and the lanes that say stuff like 'buses only may go straight ahead from the left lane'-are we allowed here? Also obviously not the motorway, but is everywhere else fine to?

Essentially: On motorways "no"*, around town "yes".

* The motorways really is a "yes" too, but another discussion entirely...

Akzle

21st November 2016, 16:20

... lanes that say stuff like 'buses only may go straight ahead from the left lane'-are we allowed here?

i'm not sure how this phrase could be any more implicit

try reading it again: "buses only may go straight ahead from the left lane"

are you a fucking bus?... or functionally fucken retarded?

motorbikes can do whatever the fuck they want and don't have to stop for police.

nzspokes

21st November 2016, 20:29

Essentially: On motorways "no"*, around town "yes".

* The motorways really is a "yes" too, but another discussion entirely...

This. ^^^^^^^^^^

mossy1200

21st November 2016, 20:32

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Except when the sign says buses only and not bus lane as some in Wellington do.

Scuba_Steve

21st November 2016, 21:06

If it doesn't specifically say motorbikes are not allowed to use the lane then you are allowed to use the bus lane - So sayeth the legislation (Land Transport Road User Rule 2004)

Ifsn8u

21st November 2016, 21:21

I was pulled over while back lane splitting, pc plod on his bike. Had a nice chat with him over lane splitting and he mentioned about bus lanes. From what he told me on the Auckland Northern Motorway you are allowed on the bus lane from Greville to Constellation and from Esmonde to Onewa off ramp.

Now whether he is right or wrong I can't say, He seemed to know his shit about the rest of his handy tips for me so.......

Even told me how to clean my visor, and tell me my leather pants might be too hot coming into the summer. lol, what a nice guy.:facepalm:

Moi

21st November 2016, 21:34

... bus lanes. From what he told me on the Auckland Northern Motorway you are allowed on the bus lane from Greville to Constellation and from Esmonde to Onewa off ramp.

Now whether he is right or wrong I can't say, He seemed to know his shit about the rest of his handy tips for me so ...

Suggest you have a look at this:
https://at.govt.nz/driving-parking/ways-to-get-around-auckland/carpooling/bus-transit-priority-lanes/

and this sign (https://www.google.co.nz/maps/@-36.7370765,174.7188301,3a,38.1y,119.41h,94.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQMVhuzJfBC1UmX-HAh_wCA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) which is at the start of the Bus Lane at end of the Greville Rd on-ramp.

And the road marking (https://www.google.co.nz/maps/@-36.8033255,174.760844,3a,75y,193.42h,87.23t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sa4N8vx8jbasqwmHxoLGFIw!2e0!7i1 3312!8i6656) on the bus lane at the end of the Esmonde Road on-ramp.

mossy1200

21st November 2016, 21:36

If it doesn't specifically say motorbikes are not allowed to use the lane then you are allowed to use the bus lane - So sayeth the legislation (Land Transport Road User Rule 2004)

Theres the bus only signs though in Wellington. Not sure if they are in other cities.

THE RULES

Who can use 'bus lanes' in Wellington?

Buses, motorbikes, taxis and cyclists only. If the bus lane sign has a specified time limit, private vehicles can use the lane outside these hours.

Who can use 'bus only' lanes?

Like the sign says – buses only, unless the sign has a specified time limit. If so, all other vehicles can use the lane outside these hours.

Are there any other times when cars use a bus lane?

Drivers can use a bus lane for the minimum distance required to make a turn or reach a car park, driveway or loading zone. They are not allowed to travel more than 50 metres in the lane.

Scuba_Steve

21st November 2016, 21:51

Theres the bus only signs though in Wellington. Not sure if they are in other cities.

THE RULES

Who can use 'bus lanes' in Wellington?

Buses, motorbikes, taxis and cyclists only. If the bus lane sign has a specified time limit, private vehicles can use the lane outside these hours.

Who can use 'bus only' lanes?

Like the sign says – buses only, unless the sign has a specified time limit. If so, all other vehicles can use the lane outside these hours.

Are there any other times when cars use a bus lane?

Drivers can use a bus lane for the minimum distance required to make a turn or reach a car park, driveway or loading zone. They are not allowed to travel more than 50 metres in the lane.

Govt Legislation > Council Bylaws
So again, unless the sign specifically excludes bikes they are allowed to use; specifically including ≠ specifically excluding
However don't expect the monkey, donkey, or gang member with the pen & paper/electronic device to know the rules... They usually don't

WristTwister

21st November 2016, 22:10

Theres the bus only signs though in Wellington. Not sure if they are in other cities.

THE RULES

Who can use 'bus lanes' in Wellington?

Buses, motorbikes, taxis and cyclists only. If the bus lane sign has a specified time limit, private vehicles can use the lane outside these hours.

Who can use 'bus only' lanes?

Like the sign says – buses only, unless the sign has a specified time limit. If so, all other vehicles can use the lane outside these hours.

Are there any other times when cars use a bus lane?

Drivers can use a bus lane for the minimum distance required to make a turn or reach a car park, driveway or loading zone. They are not allowed to travel more than 50 metres in the lane.

^ This. If a sign says "Only" it means only.

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/assets/resources/roadcode/gfx/bus-lane-sign.gif
Bus/Taxi/Motorcycle/Cyclists (not Uber drivers)

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/assets/resources/roadcode/gfx/bus-only-sign.gif
Only Buses.

Important
Road authorities (for example, local councils) may have special rules for road users in specific areas. These restrictions should be indicated by signs or markings.

Maha

22nd November 2016, 06:29

I'm very very confused as to whether we're allowed to ride in bus lanes or not-anyone care to clarify this for me?

What will become clear as time goes by, is that some motorcyclist can ride where they like/how they like/take exception to anyone who inadvertently disrupts them/ furiously complain and dispute any wrong doing on their behalf. Rest assured though, these same people can always logon to a seemingly low rated biker site to vehemently express their displeasure whenever any of the above situations enters their lives.

In summary: Do whatever you want...KB always has your arse covered....but not legally.

rastuscat

22nd November 2016, 07:35

hokckeyholic

22nd November 2016, 07:47

Really entertaining thread.

Let's drill down the OP.

What city are you in? Which lane are you talking about?

There's so many variations there isn't one answer. If you want a specific answer, ask a specific question.

Sorry for being so dull.

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I'm in Auckland. The lane I'm talking about ia one of the ones where buses can go straight through the intersection, while cars have to turn left. Can't recall exactly what's on the sign, but I read the bylaws and it said in essence that we're allowed to ride in them unless specifically excluded. If the sign says buses only does this count as a specific exclusion?

rastuscat

22nd November 2016, 07:54

I'm in Auckland. The lane I'm talking about ia one of the ones where buses can go straight through the intersection, while cars have to turn left. Can't recall exactly what's on the sign, but I read the bylaws and it said in essence that we're allowed to ride in them unless specifically excluded. If the sign says buses only does this count as a specific exclusion?
Yes. If the sign says Bus Only or Buses Only, it means your motorcycle doesn't count.

Unless it's a Harley.

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Moi

22nd November 2016, 07:55

I'm in Auckland. The lane I'm talking about is one of the ones where buses can go straight through the intersection, while cars have to turn left. Can't recall exactly what's on the sign, but I read the bylaws and it said in essence that we're allowed to ride in them unless specifically excluded. If the sign says buses only does this count as a specific exclusion?

Which intersection?

rastuscat

22nd November 2016, 07:59

Just for the record, the ticket would say "Unauthorized Use Of A Special Vehicle Lane". $150, nil demerits.

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rastuscat

22nd November 2016, 08:00

Is it really so hard to apply some common sense here?

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hokckeyholic

22nd November 2016, 08:08

Which intersection?

There's a few. Gossamer drive/pakuranga road, ti rakau drive/Harris road mostly.

hokckeyholic

22nd November 2016, 08:39

mojo1444

22nd November 2016, 14:06

Theres the bus only signs though in Wellington. Not sure if they are in other cities.

THE RULES

Who can use 'bus lanes' in Wellington?

Buses, motorbikes, taxis and cyclists only. If the bus lane sign has a specified time limit, private vehicles can use the lane outside these hours.

Who can use 'bus only' lanes?

Like the sign says – buses only, unless the sign has a specified time limit. If so, all other vehicles can use the lane outside these hours.

Are there any other times when cars use a bus lane?

Drivers can use a bus lane for the minimum distance required to make a turn or reach a car park, driveway or loading zone. They are not allowed to travel more than 50 metres in the lane.
Finally someone gave a complete and educational answer. Thank you Sir! [emoji106]

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mojo1444

22nd November 2016, 14:18

After the amount of confusion i've been getting on here, i finally gave in and rang Auckland Transport. After about an hour on hold, they said that it was legal to ride in lanes that say BUS LANE ONLY so long as they do NOT say no motorbikes. So, bus lane only doesnt really mean bus lane only and specific exclusion now makes a lot more sense
Thanks guys
OK that's good to know but I think we have two types of bus lanes one is wide like in Christchurch the other is narrow like in Auckland. So I'm not surprised of the confusion. [emoji2]

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mojo1444

22nd November 2016, 14:59

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/walking-cycling-and-public-transport/cycling/cycling-network-guidance/designing-a-cycle-facility/between-intersections/bus-lanes/
A bus lane is a ‘special vehicle lane’, meaning ‘a lane defined by signs or markings and restricted to a specified class or classes of vehicle; and includes a bus lane, a transit lane, a cycle lane, and a light-rail vehicle lane’. (Traffic Control Devices Rule).

The Traffic Control Devices Rule further defines a bus lane as ‘a lane reserved by a marking or sign installed at the start of the lane and at each point at which the lane resumes after an intersection, for the use of: (a) buses; and (b) cycles, mopeds and motorcycles (unless any or all are specifically excluded by the marking or sign).’

Gremlin

22nd November 2016, 15:26

Yes. If the sign says Bus Only or Buses Only, it means your motorcycle doesn't count.

Unless it's a Harley.
Incorrect actually. Bus Only doesn't specifically exclude motorcycles (to the letter of the law). The emphasis is on "specifically". So, for any vehicle category to be specifically excluded, along with Bus Only, it must also state, No Motorcycles, No Cars etc etc.

Side note that there was also a tweak to Auckland bylaws that motorcycles in a bus lane could go on the white B. Previously it was only a green B (which I never saw). Holding up a multi-ton bus never seemed like a good idea to me.

mossy1200

22nd November 2016, 16:06

Incorrect actually. Bus Only doesn't specifically exclude motorcycles (to the letter of the law). The emphasis is on "specifically". So, for any vehicle category to be specifically excluded, along with Bus Only, it must also state, No Motorcycles, No Cars etc etc.

Side note that there was also a tweak to Auckland bylaws that motorcycles in a bus lane could go on the white B. Previously it was only a green B (which I never saw). Holding up a multi-ton bus never seemed like a good idea to me.

Wellington bus only information.
Buses only at all times.

No other vehicles allowed at any time, including motorbikes, taxis and cyclists.

http://wellington.govt.nz/services/parking-and-roads/bus-priority/bus-lane-operation#busonly

tamarillo

22nd November 2016, 16:16

tamarillo

22nd November 2016, 16:17

^ This. If a sign says "Only" it means only.

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/assets/resources/roadcode/gfx/bus-lane-sign.gif
Bus/Taxi/Motorcycle/Cyclists (not Uber drivers)

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/assets/resources/roadcode/gfx/bus-only-sign.gif
Only Buses.

Important
Road authorities (for example, local councils) may have special rules for road users in specific areas. These restrictions should be indicated by signs or markings.

This

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Akzle

22nd November 2016, 16:19

'round an' round the mulberry bush the monkey chased the weasel...

Moi

22nd November 2016, 16:20

What is evident from all of the discussion about bus lanes is:

* there is no standardisation as to what vehicles can and can not use "bus lane" and "bus only lane" - Auckland Transport [AT] vs Wellington Council interpretation

* what is stated on AT's website appears to be different to what they are prepared to say over the phone - I'd want what they said over the phone to the OP to be put in writing and their website amended to reflect that

* that there appears to be a difference of interpretation between bus lane use in Auckland between AT and NZTA who are responsible for motorways - NZTA have said in the past that motorway bus lanes are for buses only and all other vehicles are excluded [I can't find that just at present but someone else might be able to either confirm or deny that.]

* whether such distinction needs to be made between "bus lane" and "bus only lane"

Considering the size of the country and the ease of travel throughout the country it would make sense if "bus lane" meant the same whether it was in Auckland or Wellington or Christchurch or anywhere else.

just an observation...

Moi

22nd November 2016, 16:22

Easy simple answer. Bus lanes YES. if it says only or other words about exclusivity then NO NEVER.
motorways, side streets, open roads, Auckland, Invercargill makes no frighten difference. Look at road code not council.
If it says bus lane use it. If it says buses only or such don't.
Jeez there's some confused people out there.

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Problem is that local authorities enact by-laws which alter meaning... see AT vs Wellington...

mossy1200

22nd November 2016, 16:28

https://www.drivingtests.co.nz/roadcode-questions/car/signs/bus-lane-only/

This is interesting in road code.

Note question and answers

"E. Buses, cyclists, motorcyclists and moped riders can use this lane

The correct answer is E

Correct. If there are NO other signs indicating that it's BUS ONLY, then cyclists, motorbikes and moped riders can also use it."

To me that says bus only on the sign, that excludes all other vehicles.
If that is driver training then it must be nz wide surely.

hokckeyholic

22nd November 2016, 17:18

Easy simple answer. Bus lanes YES. if it says only or other words about exclusivity then NO NEVER.
motorways, side streets, open roads, Auckland, Invercargill makes no frighten difference. Look at road code not council.
If it says bus lane use it. If it says buses only or such don't.
Jeez there's some confused people out there.

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Not surprised it's so freaking confusing when the council contradicts itself... but anyway it does make a difference on where you are. In Auckland, if it says BUS ONLY then motorcycles ARE allowed.

Akzle

22nd November 2016, 18:12

To me that says bus only on the sign, that excludes all other vehicles.
If that is driver training then it must be nz wide surely.

:laugh::laugh:

you must be new here...

legislation - that is: the overarching framework, specifies that unless something is specifically prohibited, it is permitted. (exclusio unius and shit)

council, being subservient of government and lés legislature, cannot override it ("nothing can be greater than that which creates it" - bible, and shit, also latin and jews: derativa potestas)

so it doesn't fucking matter what council say, if "the law" says otherwise. what will matter, at the end of the day, is whether the policy enforcement officer you end up having the discussion with has had a) donuts and b) a blowjob this morning.

...and if you don't have any fucking donuts in your saddlebags, you can start feeling sorry for yourself

Akzle

22nd November 2016, 18:20

'ere we fucking go. Romans, 13 mother-cunting 1 :
The power which is derived cannot be greater than that from which it is derived

extend to rant about common cannon and ecclesiastical and jew tyranny and GTFO whitey

rastuscat

22nd November 2016, 18:22

:laugh::laugh:

you must be new here...

legislation - that is: the overarching framework, specifies that unless something is specifically prohibited, it is permitted. (exclusio unius and shit)

council, being subservient of government and lés legislature, cannot override it ("nothing can be greater than that which creates it" - bible, and shit, also latin and jews: derativa potestas)

so it doesn't fucking matter what council say, if "the law" says otherwise. what will matter, at the end of the day, is whether the policy enforcement officer you end up having the discussion with has had a) donuts and b) a blowjob this morning.

...and if you don't have any fucking donuts in your saddlebags, you can start feeling sorry for yourself

The Latin references make you seem quite clever.

Deceptive, really.

Akzle

22nd November 2016, 18:34

The Latin references make you seem quite clever.

Deceptive, really.

uppus fuckus, rastus.

i've out-jewed cleverer cops than you.

rastuscat

22nd November 2016, 18:35

uppus fuckus, rastus.

i've out-jewed cleverer cops than you.

I us no longer a Copperus.

I us humanus.

Akzle

22nd November 2016, 18:35

actually. i take that back.

i don't know how clever rastus is. and generally the clever cops are all liek "yeah, nah, fuck this"

...it's the dumb ones that i out-jew.

Akzle

22nd November 2016, 18:43

I us no longer a Copperus.

I us humanus.

your welcome.

:D

rastuscat

22nd November 2016, 18:59

your welcome.

:D

Je suis tres fatigue, Azkil

mossy1200

22nd November 2016, 19:14

...and if you don't have any fucking donuts in your backpack, you can start feeling sorry for yourself

In New Zealand the law states that the offence of jaywalking applies if you cross the road within 20 metres of a fixed crossing and if, as a pedestrian, you cross at a red light. The fine is a relatively modest $35 for adults and $10 for children.

Akzle

22nd November 2016, 19:14

Je suis tres fatigue, Azkil

:doh: that's french yo...

...what do you know about boats... or explosives? :sherlock:

rastuscat

22nd November 2016, 19:16

:doh: that's french yo...

...what do you know about boats... or explosives?
I have a 1985 aqua lung......

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Akzle

22nd November 2016, 19:17

In New Zealand the law* states that the offence of jaywalking applies if you cross the road within 20 metres of a fixed crossing and if, as a pedestrian, you cross at a red light. The fine is a relatively modest $35 for adults and $10 for children.

* legislation.

and it's shit like that, that gives rise to ignorant old white folk phoning talk back radio.

...and sayings like "the law is an ass"

like i sais, it depends on a) if you get caught and; b) if the bob's a cunt.

Akzle

22nd November 2016, 19:18

I have a 1985 aqua lung......

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:blip:

...kinky...

Akzle

22nd November 2016, 19:24

or j'accuse.

...whichever is hilariouser.

Big Dog

22nd November 2016, 20:38

Yes. If the sign says Bus Only or Buses Only, it means your motorcycle doesn't count.

Unless it's a Harley.

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What about a Hayabusa, colloquially know as a bus? :rofl:

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rastuscat

22nd November 2016, 20:40

What about a Hayabusa, colloquially know as a bus? :rofl:

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Tell that to the cop writing the ticket.

Video it.

It'll make great TV. :corn:

Big Dog

22nd November 2016, 20:55

I rolled many a bus lane in the land of dorks on my Hayabusa with not as much as a sideways glance from enforcement.

Even a few cycle lanes. Many in what was Auckland before they were supersized were allowed... so sayeth a local bylaw. Found when I tried to prove or disprove an old article on the wall in Red Barons workshop.

I don't know if it has changed under McDonald's management, but then I don't travel through the city peak times anymore.
I would definitively research again if I did though.

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hokckeyholic

22nd November 2016, 20:59

Moi

22nd November 2016, 21:45

Thanks guys I went from knowing exactly what I was doing to having no freaking clue again 😂 goddammit. Good thing I have more to offer than donuts I suppose...

How do I find out difinitevely whether I can ride in thEm or not? Ring the police(on the non emergency line obviously) or do I just go with what AT said and tell the cop that when/if I ever get pulled over?

I'm beginning to agree with Akzle - wash my mouth out with carbolic soap - that we're going round the mulberry bush...

If it is signed as "Bus Lane" and it is not on the motorway and it is in the AT area, you can use it.

If it is signed as "Buses Only" and you use it and are ticketed for doing so, then you'll need to argue the case with whoever.

As for the two intersections you mentioned - Pakuranga Rd and Gossamer Drive: if you go straight from the left turn only lane then you may be ticketed but you are more likely to be abused by motorists...

As for the Ti Rakau Drive intersection - there's a bus lane there and a "B" light and you are allowed to use that.

It's all on the AT site.

Here endth the lesson.

hokckeyholic

22nd November 2016, 21:48

I'm beginning to agree with Akzle - wash my mouth out with carbolic soap - that we're going round the mulberry bush...

If it is signed as "Bus Lane" and it is not on the motorway and it is in the AT area, you can use it.

If it is signed as "Buses Only" and you use it and are ticketed for doing so, then you'll need to argue the case with whoever.

As for the two intersections you mentioned - Pakuranga Rd and Gossamer Drive: if you go straight from the left turn only lane then you may be ticketed but you are more likely to be abused by motorists...

As for the Ti Rakau Drive intersection - there's a bus lane there and a "B" light and you are allowed to use that.

It's all on the AT site.

Here endth the lesson.

God forbid that agreement...

On another note thank you very much for being helpful :D that clears things up a lot. Really appreciate it :clap:
(Also feel free to link me the address of where you found that, I couldnt find it in my searches)

Moi

22nd November 2016, 21:52

God forbid that agreement...

On another note thank you very much for being helpful :D that clears things up a lot. Really appreciate it :clap:
(Also feel free to link me the address of where you found that, I couldn't find it in my searches)

Which bit could you not find?

hokckeyholic

22nd November 2016, 22:22

Which bit could you not find?

The bit about those r would specific intersections

Gremlin

23rd November 2016, 00:45

Well now you see there is no consensus. No authority can make up it's mind either. However, I don't believe council can pass any local laws in contradiction to NZ law, except council also has permission to set bylaws (so things like alcohol free areas spring to mind).

Motorway bus lanes are a totally different beast to everything else and while some cops seem to have said that yes, you can use those, I don't think you legally can (some areas are simply the hard shoulder). Then again, it's like anything, if a cop thinks you've broken the law they can fine you, even if they're wrong. Then you have to defend it and prove them wrong. Of course, all this takes up your time, you have to take time off work blah blah blah oh look, I have better things to do than be the test case. Likely you'll go up against a Justice of the Peace (or two) which I have no respect for, you'd likely lose and have to take it to district court to get it overturned (JPs take the police side the vast majority of the time even against evidence).

Basically, for those "bus only may proceed from left lane" I wouldn't be using them. Not from a legal perspective, but from a safety one. Cars will not be expecting a motorcycle there, you're not the size of a bus (cars don't see trains OK?) so why you'd increase the risk I don't know... The specific ones like Gossamer are not bus lanes, so bus lane law may not apply (I haven't read the legislation). Ti Rakau/Springs and Ti Rakau/Pakuranga Rd are a bus lanes, controlled with additional light etc.

Ultimately, it doesn't matter what an authority website says. If legislation allows it, then the authority doesn't have a leg to stand on if it says something contradictory. Again, you get to argue that (and lawyers get paid a lot of money to argue these very points, intent, purpose etc).

rastuscat

23rd November 2016, 06:58

There's an elephant in the room.

It's been an interesting discussion so far, but so far we have avoided the big challenge.

Two to three times each week in Christchurch a car turns right through a line of vehicles and cleans up a bicycle or motorcycle coming down the outside of those stationary vehicles.

The driver of the turning car is unlikely to be expecting a bike to come down the outside, much less looking for one to do it. When he turns he is more focused on his own mission of turning.

Whether the rider is riding legally or illegally in a cycle lane, bus lane, hard shoulder, parking area, clearway, wherever, the car driver is likely to SMIDSY them.

When the rider (cyclist or motorcyclist) is lying in the back of an ambulance with a broken arm, broken leg and ruptured spleen, the discussion of whether the lane was legally used or not is fairly academic. On the up side, you'll have plenty of time on your hands to research your crash. In hospital.

Each of us has a mindset that it won't happen to us. But each week, it happens, on average, to two or three riders. It happens. I don't expect it'll be much different elsewhere.

When transiting down that left hand side, pay particular attention at junctions (driveways too), and look for gaps in the line of cars.

The left hand side of a line of vehicles, legally or illegally, is a minefield.

Donuts.

Moi

23rd November 2016, 08:16

The bit about those r would specific intersections

Google maps and streetview...

Pakuranga Rd streetview clearly shows that it is a left turn only lane... ignore the sign because you are not a bus.

Ti Rakau Drive shows the bus lane marked and the B light to the left of the traffic light...

As Gremlin says, if you want to try the Pakuranga Rd one, or any others like that, be prepared to be caught and ticketed, but more likely to be abused and endangered by other vehicles as the drivers are not expecting you to do that and are focused on the "traffic light standing start grandprix".

Also, as Rastuscat and the AT website say - be very aware of other traffic turning across, into, merging, stopping, etc when you are riding in a bus lane and the main traffic flow is either stationary or moving very slowly.

mossy1200

30th November 2016, 05:47

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vgs_Hf67RwE&feature=youtu.be

Moi

30th November 2016, 09:03

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vgs_Hf67RwE&feature=youtu.be

Nice easy guide - can't be any clearer than that...

even if it could be argued that the "Bus Only" lane is ride-able as the m/c has not been excluded.

awayatc

30th November 2016, 09:09

mossy1200

30th November 2016, 19:25

Passing on the left is called under taking for more then 1 reason....
Growing old takes more then good luck alone. ...

Under taking is passing on the left sharing the same lane.

Personally I wont filter unless its stationary traffic at lights. To much risk involved and im not riding the bike to work so not on any time schedule when im on the bike.