Human microchip

[Katman]

So who plans to line up like a good obedient little citizen?

http://yournewswire.com/dr-oz-microchips/

[ruaphu]

Nup! Fark that


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[Moi]

Nup! Fark that

+ 1

with a garnish of "uppus fuckus" from the Akzle range of condiments...

[slofox]

“We are so attracted to our devices..."

Not in my house we're not.

[Grumph]

I've already got one fitted. The pacemaker has a serial no which can be read off on the appropriate gear.
i know they can access it's memory to tell when i last got excited, for all I know it's got GPS fitted too.

I want to microchip Gareth Morgan.

[Moi]

... I want to microchip Gareth Morgan.

Why stop there?

[Jeff Sichoe]

The mere fact that parts of the world think this is a good idea raises my desire to check out of society and move to the rapa

[Akzle]

been coming for a long while. some bitch had, not just her, but her whole family, microchipped after 9/11. cos obviously otherwise, the terrorists win. and anyone who's played counterstrike as CT knows that shit is bad hmkay.


but it'll be sold (and bought!) as a convinience thing... like paywave and cellphones and shit.

[Katman]

but it'll be sold (and bought!) as a convinience thing... like paywave and cellphones and shit.

And I'm sure they'll eventually work it so that not having a microchip will become an inconvenience thing.

[Akzle]

i should rather tumultuous freedom than peaceful slavery...

[Grumph]

And I'm sure they'll eventually work it so that not having a microchip will become an inconvenience thing.

Stand up for your rights, fuck them,.....pay CASH.

[bogan]

You guys know they are just a digital serial number right? only able to be read from close range. If TPTB want to monitor your shit, facial recognition software would be way simpler.

This is just convenience tech the conspiracy sheeple have invented more dystopian theories about. I've got a similar thing but it's in a ring since I'm holding off to see if RFID actually makes it to credit card functionality.

[Akzle]

Stand up for your rights, fuck them,.....pay CASH.

you mean.... legal tender, right :laugh:

silly old white people.

[Akzle]

I've got a similar thing but it's in a ring since I'm holding off to see if RFID actually makes it to credit card functionality.

like... paywave? what fucking rock are you under?

my NFC enabled blackberry will steal all your jewgolds....

(actually it wont. credit card companies closed that down when they realised it was broadcasting your identifying particulars, but still.)



i'm surpised that you still think ~"the chip needs to be inductively energised to be read"
more, that anything in your carcass a) wouldn't be charged by your bio-tricity and b) couldn't draw from your cellphone which you're always carrying, and c) /or the nearest tesla tower....

[bogan]

like... paywave? what fucking rock are you under?

my NFC enabled blackberry will steal all your jewgolds....

(actually it wont. credit card companies closed that down when they realised it was broadcasting your identifying particulars, but still.)



i'm surpised that you still think ~"the chip needs to be inductively energised to be read"
more, that anything in your carcass a) wouldn't be charged by your bio-tricity and b) couldn't draw from your cellphone which you're always carrying, and c) /or the nearest tesla tower....

Paywave isn't in this stuff yet.

Sounds a lot like that dystopian theory the conspiracy sheeple are inventing, got any examples of this stuff at long range?

[jonbuoy]

Stand up for your rights, fuck them,.....pay CASH.

Went to London a month back - you can´t get on a bus anymore and pay cash - drivers won´t and can´t accept it. They will only take Oyster cards or EACH passenger has to have a con-tactless credit card. Great way of tracking peoples movements.

CCTV with a decent zoom and an automatic facial recognition system attached has a far longer range than an RFID tag or microchip. Not many people leave the house without a cellphone these days anyway so assume your being tracked or could be tracked anyway. I´m not sure anyone is really that interested in my daily movements or reading my emails, internet history or phone tapping.

[Akzle]

Paywave isn't in this stuff yet.

Sounds a lot like that dystopian theory the conspiracy sheeple are inventing, got any examples of this stuff at long range?

dude I offerred before but you never turned up... I was going to microwave you as you rode past, 'memba?

[bogan]

dude I offerred before but you never turned up... I was going to microwave you as you rode past, 'memba?

The fuck you babbling on about? Examples are required, all theory and working instances put read distance as a function of chip/coil size; one which does not support reading implants at anything over 100mm, if that.

[Akzle]

Went to London a month back - you can´t get on a bus anymore and pay cash - drivers won´t and can´t accept it. They will only take Oyster cards or EACH passenger has to have a con-tactless credit card. Great way of tracking peoples movements.

CCTV with a decent zoom and an automatic facial recognition system attached has a far longer range than an RFID tag or microchip. Not many people leave the house without a cellphone these days anyway so assume your being tracked or could be tracked anyway. I´m not sure anyone is really that interested in my daily movements or reading my emails, internet history or phone tapping.

1) every idiot posts enough pics on farsebook to render a 3d clone of them +/- 2mm

2)You havent been able to get across nodnol without being continuously camera'd since late 90s.

[Katman]

The fuck you babbling on about? Examples are required, all theory and working instances put read distance as a function of chip/coil size; one which does not support reading implants at anything over 100mm, if that.

Do you really think the only possible ramification of this technology is in tracking a person's movements?

What about the influence it could exert on your access to finances or access to locations?

[bogan]

Do you really think the only possible ramification of this technology is in tracking a person's movements?

What about the influence it could exert on your access to finances or access to areas?

It doesn't track a person's movements at all though.

That 'influence' is the purpose of it, you don't need your wallet or keys; did you even read the article?

[Katman]

It doesn't track a person's movements at all though.

That 'influence' is the purpose of it, you don't need your wallet or keys; did you even read the article?

Fuck me - you really are dumb, aren't you?

[jonbuoy]

1) every idiot posts enough pics on farsebook to render a 3d clone of them +/- 2mm

2)You havent been able to get across nodnol without being continuously camera'd since late 90s.

Exactly - so whats all the fuss about again? Detailed information on the average persons day to day life is more useful to big business than to the government and most peoples online browsing and bank transactions give a lot more useful information than a chip. The government don´t really care too much about us as individuals unless your a person of interest - in which case you would cut the chip out of your body, not carry a cellphone, not use normal banking methods and blackface or whiteface for the cameras.

[TheDemonLord]

Do you really think the only possible ramification of this technology is in tracking a person's movements?

What about the influence it could exert on your access to finances or access to locations?

Me thinks you need to understand how encryption and authentication works in an IT sense....

[Katman]

Me thinks you need to understand how encryption and authentication works in an IT sense....

If you're suggesting you can't possibly imagine this technology being used for nefarious reasons, methinks you should fuck off to the dummy corner with bogan.

[bogan]

If you're suggesting you can't possibly imagine this technology being used for nefarious reasons methinks you should fuck off to the dummy corner with bogan.

You seem to be suggesting you understand this technology, you clearly do not. 'They' cannot abuse it due to the inherent limitations of electromagnetism. the only way it could be abused is if they put something completely different into the implant. Which is like saying, don't use cellphones because they could put a bomb in them... Whereas it would be more appropriate (from a physical tech perspective) to say don't use cellphones or computers because they can listen to you, watch you, and track where you are.

Speaking of abusing technology, you know 'they' can track your online shit right? so how about you actually follow through with you anti-surveillance stance and fuck right off; but I guess it would be too contradictory to your whinge about every-fucking-thing you can think up a conspiracy theory for...

[Katman]

Well I guess we've found our good obedient little citizen.

Edit: Fucked if I know how that G got in the heading.

[bogan]

Well I guess we've found our good obedient little citizen.

Ah, the quality fallback 'argument' to attempt to bully and instill fear into a technology you have no fucking clue of how it works. Here's a tip, look up spread spectrum radio communication... (maybe start with your times tables first though you fucking imbecilic drone)

Just how do you reconcile such an anti-tptb online presence with you hatred of being surveiled though?

[YellowDog]

If they start chipping babies and migrants, from Jan 1, 2017. Everyone will be trackable by the year 2100.

Anyone still old enough not to have been chipped, can be sent off to the glue factory, including those playing the Cryogenics Joker card :yes:

[EJK]

I am prepared.

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[mossy1200]

Wonder if ill get a ticket every time I exceed 104kph. Licence be gone within a day.

This reminds me of the life time licence. Sold as one thing and replaced by another.

[Madness]

If they start chipping babies and migrants, from Jan 1, 2017. Everyone will be trackable by the year 2100.

Anyone still old enough not to have been chipped, can be sent off to the glue factory, including those playing the Cryogenics Joker card :yes:

http://cdn2-www.comingsoon.net/assets/uploads/2015/04/logans-run-headerr.jpg

[nzspokes]

Well I guess we've found our good obedient little citizen.

Edit: Fucked if I know how that G got in the heading.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s8wkijxBwk

[nzspokes]

I am prepared.

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Swing away.

[Hemi Makutu]

& you do of course realize that every 'officially born' & 'registered child' - in NZ has had their DNA put on record..
...for like.. decades.. now...

[Akzle]

The fuck you babbling on about? Examples are required, all theory and working instances put read distance as a function of chip/coil size; one which does not support reading implants at anything over 100mm, if that.

was never going to read it. just wanted to cook you a bit.

[Akzle]

Wonder if ill get a ticket every time I exceed 104kph. Licence be gone within a day.

This reminds me of the life time licence. Sold as one thing and replaced by another.

only if you were stupid enough to give it back.
it was a legally enforcable contract between your person and teh jew overlords.

[TheDemonLord]

If you're suggesting you can't possibly imagine this technology being used for nefarious reasons, methinks you should fuck off to the dummy corner with bogan.

Yeah, Nah.

You should actually learn how the technology can work and would work before coming up with Nefarious theories.

As I said - Learn how encryption and authentication works first.

[Berries]

Edit: Fucked if I know how that G got in the heading.
Are you Hemi Makutu in disguise?

[Akzle]

g .

[Laava]

So who plans to line up like a good obedient little citizen?

http://yournewswire.com/dr-oz-microchips/

You might need a rabies shot with that too. Oh and a hanky to wipe away all the butthurt.:weep:

[Katman]

Oh and a hanky to wipe away all the butthurt. (http://wapsisquare.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/2015-11-03-sweet-dreams.jpg)

That's lovely dear.

[Katman]

Yeah, Nah.

You should actually learn how the technology can work and would work before coming up with Nefarious theories.

As I said - Learn how encryption and authentication works first.

So where do you draw the line?

Somewhere between Read Only and Read/Write?

Or do you not have a line?

[TheDemonLord]

So where do you draw the line?

Somewhere between Read Only and Read/Write?

Or do you not have a line?

Do you even know what those mean? And then do you understand why you asking that question is retarded when talking about RFIDs?

I'll explain - I'm going to presume that as a business owner, you have a Bank account somewhere. With that Bank account currently, there will be a whole lot of data (Address, D.O.B, Financial history yadda yadda yadda - you get the point).

This is NOT stored on the RFID.

It would be stored were it is currently stored.

"But Demon! How does it access it then?"

Well - an RFID typically only carries up to 2 Kb of Data (which is 4096 characters worth of data) - there are plans for 4 Kb and 8 Kb RFIDs (which translates to 8192 and 16384 characters worth of data)

https://www.rfidjournal.com/faq/show?66

For some applications (such as a Pet Microchip) - this is enough space for basic info - Name, Vet, Address etc. but in terms of holding a complete history - the storage capacity isn't there. How it would most likely operate is that the RFID would contain 2 things - a Unique identifier and a Key.

If you use online banking - your username/account number/access number is your unique identifier and your password is your key. At the server end (not the RFID end) your unique identifier is mapped and your public certificate is mapped (Public certificate works like the lock, your private key - held on the RFID - unlocks the lock)

So no, the introduction of this wouldn't lead to big brother being able to get all your data - the Data stays where it is (at least with current technology and implementation methods - if the memory capacity increases and more reliable methods of reading/writing are developed - this may change.)

Same with the Medical records - these are held securely at the Hospital end, but the RFID provides the unique identifier to look up the data and the key to access it.

Could RFIDs be used for mass surveillance - depends on what you mean by surveillance - As Bogan correctly pointed out, these devices are very short range, as such have limitations. In terms of using them like an AT HOP card - they could be used to build up locations of where the RFID had been scanned, and then from analysing that Metadata, identify patterns etc. However this is not the 1984-esque scenario painted by the Tinfoil hat wearing site that you posted up.

Is there some risks - yes - but they are greatly exaggerated and misrepresented by the Article.

To answer your earlier question - would I adopt this technology? No I wouldn't.

The why (for me) is that if I had an RFID, someone with physical access to my body could gain access to my Data, whereas with a password (known only to me and in my memory) means that I can still consciously control access to my data.

[Akzle]

.

The why (for me) is that if I had an RFID, someone with physical access to my body could gain access to my Data, whereas with a password (known only to me and in my memory) means that I can still consciously control access to my data.

... until the party van turns up and hooks a car battery to your balls...

[Katman]

This is NOT stored on the RFID.

You really struggle with imagining any further than 10 minutes into the future, don't you?

[mashman]

When we was exploring the idea behind bluetooth and helping people get around shops n stuff, we hit upon a small stumbling block. The bluetooth receivers for passing instructions to devices etc... was only 5m. You could get receivers with better ranges, but they were more expensive and you could virtually get more receivers at the same cost for distance as the more expensive ones. All ya need is strategically placed short range receivers, like at a payment facility f'rinstance, and it's job done.

[TheDemonLord]

You really struggle with imagining any further than 10 minutes into the future, don't you?

Le Sigh.

"There is a technology, which will turn the world into 1984!"
"Errrr - no that's not how it works, it can't work like that"
"WELL IT COULD DO IN THE FUTURE WHEN THE TECHNOLOGY ADVANCES ENOUGH"

I would ask if you see the Hypocrisy and Idiocy in those statements, but from experience I'd bet you won't.

[Katman]

"There is a technology, which will turn the world into 1984!"
"Errrr - no that's not how it works, it can't work like that"
"WELL IT COULD DO IN THE FUTURE WHEN THE TECHNOLOGY ADVANCES ENOUGH"



And you don't think that's where this technology is taking us?

You even gave us one of your 10 minute predictions here.....


Well - an RFID typically only carries up to 2Kb of Data (which is 4096 characters worth of data) - there are plans for 4 Kb and 8 Kb RFIDs (which translates to 8192 and 16384 characters worth of data)

Too many vaccines appear to have rotted your brain.

[TheDemonLord]

And you don't think that's where this technology is taking us?

No, I don't.

If it does manifest, the most likely method of implimentation will be opt-in, with your RFID holding your unique identifier and your private key.


You even gave us one of your 10 minute predictions here.....

Too many vaccines appear to have rotted your brain.

It's cute that you think all your data could be stored on 8kb.

Although it appears in your case, all of your brain could be stored on an existing RFID chip...

Once you tally up ALL private data for an individual (including histories, notes, changes etc.) the data size becomes surprisingly large - several thousand times larger than 8 Kb. This leads to 2 interesting problems:

1: the RFID chip has to increase in size or increase its storage density to accomodate this change, whilst not impossible, but to get to the data sizes we are talking about, assuming a doubling of capacity every 6 months is approx 5-6 years away.
2: Throughput of data - transferring a 20 MB file across a modern 10 GbE/s network - barely takes a 0.02 s, transferring a 20 MB file across a Wireless N LAN 500 Mb/s) - About a second. Transferring a 20 MB file on an old 100 Mb/s Ethernet network - assuming no bottlenecks - around 2-3 seconds - you get the point - Data Rates for RFIDs from what I've read - some have a burst speed up to 128 Mb/s but this is limited to 1248 bits per burst (which is about 156 Bytes - which may cause issues) others had Data Rates in the 1 Mb/s and others down as low as 40-80 Kb/s - which would take minutes to transfer 20 MB of data.

Holding all the data on the Chip currently is unfeasible - whereas holding a UID and even a 4096 bit encryption key - very feasible - which leads to the point:

If the tech was to be implemented (as it is currently) it would be as I've indicated. Once the infrastructure and systems are designed with this method of operation in mind, it is unlikely that we would see a move to having all the data stored on the RFID itself.

[Jeff Sichoe]

No, I don't.

If it does manifest, the most likely method of implimentation will be opt-in, with your RFID holding your unique identifier and your private key.



It's cute that you think all your data could be stored on 8kb.

Although it appears in your case, all of your brain could be stored on an existing RFID chip...

Once you tally up ALL private data for an individual (including histories, notes, changes etc.) the data size becomes surprisingly large - several thousand times larger than 8 Kb. This leads to 2 interesting problems:

1: the RFID chip has to increase in size or increase its storage density to accomodate this change, whilst not impossible, but to get to the data sizes we are talking about, assuming a doubling of capacity every 6 months is approx 5-6 years away.
2: Throughput of data - transferring a 20 MB file across a modern 10 GbE/s network - barely takes a 0.02 s, transferring a 20 MB file across a Wireless N LAN 500 Mb/s) - About a second. Transferring a 20 MB file on an old 100 Mb/s Ethernet network - assuming no bottlenecks - around 2-3 seconds - you get the point - Data Rates for RFIDs from what I've read - some have a burst speed up to 128 Mb/s but this is limited to 1248 bits per burst (which is about 156 Bytes - which may cause issues) others had Data Rates in the 1 Mb/s and others down as low as 40-80 Kb/s - which would take minutes to transfer 20 MB of data.

Holding all the data on the Chip currently is unfeasible - whereas holding a UID and even a 4096 bit encryption key - very feasible - which leads to the point:

If the tech was to be implemented (as it is currently) it would be as I've indicated. Once the infrastructure and systems are designed with this method of operation in mind, it is unlikely that we would see a move to having all the data stored on the RFID itself.

Bro what are you even talking about?

Lets say I have a RFID chip in my ass which holds a unique identifier which WITHOUT holding personal information allows tracking of movement and purchases.

Sure, they don't know that 11223 = Jeff Sichoe, but they do know that 11223 like porn and bikes and hamburgers and bourbon and where I ride and how I get to work and back and roughly how long I spend at a location and roughly what I might be doing there (personal, shopping, work, sleep, hooker etc)

Now it doesn't take a great leap to assume that once you have found out that 11223 = Jeff Sichoe (from other means) you pair the two and boom you're off.

Saying 'no no no they wouldn't do THAT' is so naive it's not funny.

https://www.google.com/maps/timeline

add that to your debit card purchase history and some jerk at Police HQ will be able to pull up your location and what you are doing (and probably sync CCTV to your facial features pulled from your drivers license) and watch you walk around picking your nose.

The only way to really fight this sort of surveillance in NZ is to cut the budget for the Police so they literally can't afford the investment. Facebook or Google will probably step up with some 'solution' which they can claim a tax-rebate for implementing.

[pritch]

I had never come across YourNewsWire and having now had a good look at it that's fine with me. Some of the stories are genuine, if a little late, some are dubious.
It's highly likely I spend more time reading news than most but I won't be wasting my time on that.

Similarly Dr Oz was new to me but I'm fine with that, I don't follow Oprah. Although a doctor, he apparently has a reputation for pushing pseudo science.

This thread could be summed up as. "Nothing to see here, move along."

[Katman]

Bro what are you even talking about?

Go easy on him - he's autistic.

[Katman]

This thread could be summed up as. "Nothing to see here, move along."

And what about if they were leading us towards mandatory micro-chipping?

[TheDemonLord]

Bro what are you even talking about?

Lets say I have a RFID chip in my ass which holds a unique identifier which WITHOUT holding personal information allows tracking of movement and purchases.

Sure, they don't know that 11223 = Jeff Sichoe, but they do know that 11223 like porn and bikes and hamburgers and bourbon and where I ride and how I get to work and back and roughly how long I spend at a location and roughly what I might be doing there (personal, shopping, work, sleep, hooker etc)

Now it doesn't take a great leap to assume that once you have found out that 11223 = Jeff Sichoe (from other means) you pair the two and boom you're off.

Saying 'no no no they wouldn't do THAT' is so naive it's not funny.

https://www.google.com/maps/timeline

add that to your debit card purchase history and some jerk at Police HQ will be able to pull up your location and what you are doing (and probably sync CCTV to your facial features pulled from your drivers license) and watch you walk around picking your nose.

The only way to really fight this sort of surveillance in NZ is to cut the budget for the Police so they literally can't afford the investment. Facebook or Google will probably step up with some 'solution' which they can claim a tax-rebate for implementing.

It's almost like I've already addressed this:


Could RFIDs be used for mass surveillance - depends on what you mean by surveillance - As Bogan correctly pointed out, these devices are very short range, as such have limitations. In terms of using them like an AT HOP card - they could be used to build up locations of where the RFID had been scanned, and then from analysing that Metadata, identify patterns etc. However this is not the 1984-esque scenario painted by the Tinfoil hat wearing site that you posted up.

Edit:

To address some of your other concerns - currently Financial records require a search warrant to obtain (although I did read an article from last year about NZ Police successfully bypassing this requirement, thanks in part to overly compliant companies)

The solution isn't to cut funding - it's to have very clear and well defined boundries. Problem is that the Law is often 20-30 years out of date with Technology and that the speed of implementation of new Tech vs the time it takes for a bunch of Lawyers to:

a: Learn about it
b: Form an initial legal opinion about it based on current statutes
c: Argue the pros and cons of additional statutes or amendments that should/could be made
d: Turn this into a bill before Parliment
e: Parliment to piss-arse around with it
etc. etc. etc.

(you get the point)

[pritch]

And what about if they were leading us towards mandatory micro-chipping?

It isn't beyond the realms of possibility but at this stage it's more science fiction than science. So while it may happen one day, it won't be in my lifetime and probably not yours.

[Katman]

It isn't beyond the realms of possibility but at this stage it's more science fiction than science. So while it may happen one day, it won't be in my lifetime and probably not yours.

And you don't give a fuck about what sort of society you leave behind?

[TheDemonLord]

Go easy on him - he's autistic.

Still rather be Autistic than a brain dead paranoid delusional anti-semetic conspiracy nutter.

[TheDemonLord]

And you don't give a fuck about what sort of society you leave behind?

Quite the contrary - by sticking to rational and reasonable discussion instead of:

"ZOMG THE GUBBERMINT IS OUT TO GET US!"

It helps leave behind a society that isn't full of gullible delusional nitwits.

[Akzle]

The only way to really fight this sort of surveillance in NZ is to cut the budget for the Police so they literally can't afford the investment. Facebook or Google will probably step up with some 'solution' which they can claim a tax-rebate for implementing.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahah....

google don't pay tax you silly cunt.

also. nevermind the police, it's the dark shadowy figuires you have to worry about.



The solution isn't to cut funding - it's to have very clear and well defined boundries. Problem is that the Law is often 20-30 years out of date with Technology and that the speed of implementation of new Tech vs the time it takes for a bunch of Lawyers to:

a: Learn about it
b: Form an initial legal opinion about it based on current statutes
c: Argue the pros and cons of additional statutes or amendments that should/could be made
d: Turn this into a bill before Parliment
e: Parliment to piss-arse around with it
etc. etc. etc.

(you get the point)

so what your saying, is that the system is a crock of shit and we should kill all the jews....

[TheDemonLord]

so what your saying, is that the system is a crock of shit and we should kill all the jews....

More or less, except without the killing of the jews part.

[pritch]

And you don't give a fuck about what sort of society you leave behind?

:laugh: Well it won't affect me will it? Sometimes I wonder what things will be like for today's little kids when they're older.

I hope none of our technophobic politicians likes the law that the British Government is pushing through requiring ISPs to hold all browser histories for a year.

Today I was reading about that case where the FBI took over a kiddie porn site on the dark web for a couple of weeks and "hacked" some 8,000 computers in 120 odd countries. The first cases have come to court in the US and the people are getting off. The warrant had been issued by a lowly ranked magistrate/judge in the District of East Virginia. (Of course.*) That warrant has no legal standing outside the District of East Virginia. Whether jurisdictions outside the US accept this logic remains to be seen. Best not watch kiddie porn then we won't have to worry.

* Virginia is next door to Washington DC. The CIA, FBI, and USMC all have their HQs in Virginia. Juries in the area tend to be very friendly to the Government as most persons involved will either work for the Govt or have family who do. The Prosecutor in Alexandria, VA, has on his caseload, among others: Edward Snowden, Julian Assange and Kim Dot Com.

[Katman]

:laugh: Well it won't affect me will it? Sometimes I wonder what things will be like for today's little kids when they're older.

I don't even have kids and yet am still concerned about the direction the world is heading in for future generations.

And furthermore, I would suggest that any parent who wasn't concerned about the direction the world is heading, is a piss-poor parent.

[bogan]

Bro what are you even talking about?

Lets say I have a RFID chip in my ass which holds a unique identifier which WITHOUT holding personal information allows tracking of movement and purchases.

Sure, they don't know that 11223 = Jeff Sichoe, but they do know that 11223 like porn and bikes and hamburgers and bourbon and where I ride and how I get to work and back and roughly how long I spend at a location and roughly what I might be doing there (personal, shopping, work, sleep, hooker etc)

Now it doesn't take a great leap to assume that once you have found out that 11223 = Jeff Sichoe (from other means) you pair the two and boom you're off.

Saying 'no no no they wouldn't do THAT' is so naive it's not funny.

https://www.google.com/maps/timeline

add that to your debit card purchase history and some jerk at Police HQ will be able to pull up your location and what you are doing (and probably sync CCTV to your facial features pulled from your drivers license) and watch you walk around picking your nose.

The only way to really fight this sort of surveillance in NZ is to cut the budget for the Police so they literally can't afford the investment. Facebook or Google will probably step up with some 'solution' which they can claim a tax-rebate for implementing.

Which is kinda like saying one's face holds the same information, init.

They wouldn't do that because it's an impractical idea to achieve what they can already do without it.


And furthermore, I would suggest that any parent who wasn't concerned about the direction the world is heading, is a piss-poor parent.

Or had a more positive outlook of it... You'd be surprised at just how much positivity there is to be had in the absence of paranoid delusions :sunny:

[Katman]

Or had a more positive outlook of it... You'd be surprised at just how much positivity there is to be had in the absence of paranoid delusions :sunny:

Really?

Peaceful protesters are now seen as little more than eco/political terrorists - and attacked accordingly.

We're raping the earth of it's natural resources at an unprecedented rate.

We're destroying the environment and the wildlife that inhabits it.

People around the world are being slaughtered like they are nothing more than pawns in some obscene chess game.

We're losing our freedoms at an alarming rate as we head more and more towards a police state.

And yet stupid cunts like you seem oblivious to it all.

[jonbuoy]

:laugh: Well it won't affect me will it? Sometimes I wonder what things will be like for today's little kids when they're older.

I hope none of our technophobic politicians likes the law that the British Government is pushing through requiring ISPs to hold all browser histories for a year.

Today I was reading about that case where the FBI took over a kiddie porn site on the dark web for a couple of weeks and "hacked" some 8,000 computers in 120 odd countries. The first cases have come to court in the US and the people are getting off. The warrant had been issued by a lowly ranked magistrate/judge in the District of East Virginia. (Of course.*) That warrant has no legal standing outside the District of East Virginia. Whether jurisdictions outside the US accept this logic remains to be seen. Best not watch kiddie porn then we won't have to worry.

* Virginia is next door to Washington DC. The CIA, FBI, and USMC all have their HQs in Virginia. Juries in the area tend to be very friendly to the Government as most persons involved will either work for the Govt or have family who do. The Prosecutor in Alexandria, VA, has on his caseload, among others: Edward Snowden, Julian Assnage and Kim Dot Com.


I don't see the problem in storing the data. They can look back at fiscal and medical records further back than that. I pretty much assume now that somewhere my searches are being bot scanned. Generally I would say most men's internet history is fairly similar. I would be more concerned about someone remotely accessing cameras and microphones on smart equipment in the house/car.

[Big Dog]

Most data loss or misuse comes back to poor intellectual security.
At a language class I attend we tell narratives about ourselves.
Hi my name is etc.
After one class I asked the class, "bearing in mind all the information you just shared, who needs to go home and change their internet banking password?"
No one admitted they needed to but the expressions suggest only 1 of 12 do not.

If someone really wants your data they just need your email.
There are plenty of videos on YouTube showing how it's done.
You can't stop it. You can only make it so the guy next to you is easier to get. Biometrics, rfids, mag strips, keys all more secure and far more readily disassociated from your data.

In a data breach one line on a table needs updating to secure you again.
With a password, you need to change it how many places? And most users migrate back to the old password within a year.

Do I want an rfid? Maybe, it'd be useful to be able to pay wave for gas after finding your wallet fell out your pocket on your ride.
But I still don't want someone saying i have to have it.

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[bogan]

Really?

Peaceful protesters are now seen as little more than eco/political terrorists - and attacked accordingly.

We're raping the earth of it's natural resources at an unprecedented rate.

We're destroying the environment and the wildlife that inhabits it.

People around the world are being slaughtered like they are nothing more than pawns in some obscene chess game.

We're losing our freedoms at an alarming rate as we head more and more towards a police state.

And yet stupid cunts like you seem oblivious to it all.

That's an excellent list of delusions to prove my point! It's goes well with the paranoid delusion that is this thread :sunny:

[Katman]

That's an excellent list of delusions to prove my point!

And you're a perfect example of the last line in the post.

[bogan]

And you're a perfect example of the last line in the post.

Being oblivious to delusional notions is how people can have a positive outlook; that's the point I made a few posts back. Do try and catch up eh!

And before you blither on about how your notions are not delusional, this thread shows that is absolutely not the case.

[Ocean1]

Being oblivious to delusional notions is how people can have a positive outlook.

I rather think they manage that by laughing at delusional fuckwits, rather than being oblivious to them, no?

[Akzle]

Most data loss or misuse comes back to poor intellectual security.
At a language class I attend we tell narratives about ourselves.
Hi my name is etc.
After one class I asked the class, "bearing in mind all the information you just shared, who needs to go home and change their internet banking password?"
No one admitted they needed to but the expressions suggest only 1 of 12 do not.

If someone really wants your data they just need your email.
There are plenty of videos on YouTube showing how it's done.
You can't stop it. You can only make it so the guy next to you is easier to get. Biometrics, rfids, mag strips, keys all more secure and far more readily disassociated from your data.

In a data breach one line on a table needs updating to secure you again.
With a password, you need to change it how many places? And most users migrate back to the old password within a year.

Do I want an rfid? Maybe, it'd be useful to be able to pay wave for gas after finding your wallet fell out your pocket on your ride.
But I still don't want someone saying i have to have it.

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Hi my name is Ax and i'm a nalcoholi//


mothers/partners/pets name followed by a significant date, or two digits they just like.

any way. I have to disagree with "you can't stop it" - but it's a balance between functionality and security.
i mean, hell...even windows is secure.


...if you never connect it to anything ever.

as far as i know.... the worst cunts are the ones you voluntarily give "your data" to (jews.... like the government, banks etc) and they basically use it to keep you subservient to the system and making jewgolds for them.
so, like, what's actually worse than that??

[bogan]

I rather think they manage that by laughing at delusional fuckwits, rather than being oblivious to them, no?

I guess, but too much association with them can sour one's outlook on humanity; I mean are the idiots actually multiplying?

[Katman]

And before you blither on about how your notions are not delusional, this thread shows that is absolutely not the case.

What's delusional about Dakota pipeline protesters being attacked by law enforcement officers?

What's delusional about deep sea oil exploration and fracking - and the environmental disasters that go with it?

What's delusional about deforestation and the subsequent catastrophic impact on the wildlife it displaces?

What's delusional about the countless innocent people in the Middle East who are dying because of America's repugnant foreign policies?

You're doing a pretty good job of showing yourself up as the delusional one here, shitforbrains.

[nzspokes]

What's delusional about Dakota pipeline protesters being attacked by law enforcement officers?

What's delusional about deep sea oil exploration and fracking - and the environmental disasters that go with it?

What's delusional about deforestation and the subsequent catastrophic impact on the wildlife it displaces?

What's delusional about the countless innocent people in the Middle East who are dying because of America's repugnant foreign policies?

You're doing a pretty good job of showing yourself up as the delusional one here, shitforbrains.

It must be rough living in your head everyday.

[bogan]

What's delusional about Dakota pipeline protesters being attacked by law enforcement officers?

What's delusional about deep sea oil exploration and fracking - and the environmental disasters that go with it?

What's delusional about deforestation and the subsequent catastrophic impact on the wildlife it displaces?

What's delusional about the countless innocent people in the Middle East who are dying because of America's repugnant foreign policies?

You're doing a pretty good job of showing yourself up as the delusional one here, shitforbrains.

That's a list of examples you use to justify your delusions. Positivity is not the process of ignoring the ills of the world, but that of understanding how limited their effect is, and to see the bigger picture.

[pritch]

1. What's delusional about Dakota pipeline protesters being attacked by law enforcement officers?

2. What's delusional about deep sea oil exploration and fracking - and the environmental disasters that go with it?

3. What's delusional about deforestation and the subsequent catastrophic impact on the wildlife it displaces?

4. What's delusional about the countless innocent people in the Middle East who are dying because of America's repugnant foreign policies?



1. Nothing. Amazing how the media are managing to ignore this. Normally, "If it bleeds it leads". They're bleeding - it's not even mentioned.

2. Partly delusional still.

3. People worry about the furry animals affected by deforestation. What about the fucking people?

4. The USA and Russia, we can't blame it all on the Yanks.

[Katman]

1. Nothing. Amazing how the media are managing to ignore this. Normally, "If it bleeds it leads". They're bleeding - it's not even mentioned.

Well it wouldn't do to have the masses being inspired, now would it?

The powers that be prefer docile little bogans.

[mashman]

That's an excellent list of delusions to prove my point! It's goes well with the paranoid delusion that is this thread :sunny:

What paranoid delusion? (http://www.overshootday.org/)

[bogan]

What paranoid delusion? (http://www.overshootday.org/)

This thread you're posting in, where KM takes a voluntary implant to combine things we all carry with us anyway, able to be read from less than 100mm,and decides the govt will make it mandatory so they can track our movements somehow :scratch: that's textbook paranoid delusion. Linking to something completely different but still a negative thing does nothing to recategorise the thread.

[oldrider]

4. The USA and Russia, we can't blame it all on the Yanks.

Compare the history of them both and taking a closer look at recent behaviour - oh yes we can! :shifty:

[mashman]

This thread you're posting in, where KM takes a voluntary implant to combine things we all carry with us anyway, able to be read from less than 100mm,and decides the govt will make it mandatory so they can track our movements somehow :scratch: that's textbook paranoid delusion. Linking to something completely different but still a negative thing does nothing to recategorise the thread.

It was in response to one of the items in the post you had quoted as evidence of paranoid delusion. I could have also posted DAPL, Syria, the latest and greatest in regards to the removal of personal freedoms, but it seemed kind of pointless given your lack of ability to understand what anyone posts without feeling the need to put your own context over it. Anyway, what's negative about pointing to something that's factual? Other than your projection that is.

[nzspokes]

:scratch: that's textbook paranoid delusion.

To be fair it's persecutory delusion. That's the textbook term. Its normally present with schizophrenia, but does not have to be. Also often shown with narcissistic personality disorder due to low self esteem.

[Katman]

To be fair it's persecutory delusion. That's the textbook term. Its normally present with schizophrenia, but does not have to be. Also often shown with narcissistic personality disorder due to low self esteem.

Fuck me - you sound just like husaberk.

[bogan]

It was in response to one of the items in the post you had quoted as evidence of paranoid delusion. I could have also posted DAPL, Syria, the latest and greatest in regards to the removal of personal freedoms, but it seemed kind of pointless given your lack of ability to understand what anyone posts without feeling the need to put your own context over it. Anyway, what's negative about pointing to something that's factual? Other than your projection that is.

They were not quoted as evidence of paranoid delusion.

It is a negative fact, focussing on that sort shows negative bias.

[bogan]

To be fair it's persecutory delusion. That's the textbook term. Its normally present with schizophrenia, but does not have to be. Also often shown with narcissistic personality disorder due to low self esteem.

I stand corrected.

[mashman]

They were not quoted as evidence of paranoid delusion.

It is a negative fact, focussing on thar sort shows negative bias.

Well you said it.

[Katman]

I stand corrected.

That must get awfully tiring for you.

[nzspokes]

Fuck me - you sound just like husaberk.

Its called paying attention at university. Retard.

[Big Dog]

Hi my name is Ax and i'm a nalcoholi//


mothers/partners/pets name followed by a significant date, or two digits they just like.

any way. I have to disagree with "you can't stop it" - but it's a balance between functionality and security.
i mean, hell...even windows is secure.


...if you never connect it to anything ever.

as far as i know.... the worst cunts are the ones you voluntarily give "your data" to (jews.... like the government, banks etc) and they basically use it to keep you subservient to the system and making jewgolds for them.
so, like, what's actually worse than that??
Living adversely to your own beliefs.

I believe in a world where we do our best to make life better for those around us and leave a better world for our grandchildren than we were born into.

Those altruistic beliefs come at a cost.
Giving my tithe is but one of those costs...

If I were unhappy to pay that tithe I wouldn't. But then I wouldn't use any of the services supplied by the Joos.
If I was not happy for my data to be used I wouldn't expect to tap in to the data mine.

My piddly bits of data are such a small price for the data I have gleaned myself.

Now if keeping Facebook up to date were mandatory and linked to your official info sources like ird etc I might just go on the lam until the revolution was over.

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[Akzle]

.zm.a better world for our grandchildren than we were born into.

Those altruistic beliefs come at a cost.
Giving my tithe is but one of those costs...


ehh, wot?? how does paying the government improve the state of things???

[Big Dog]

ehh, wot?? how does paying the government improve the state of things???
Health care, social welfare, education, law and order...
All things that don't just organise themselves.

Admittedly not all governments get it right for all folks all the time but that is democracy eh?


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[Akzle]

Health care, social welfare, education, law and order...
All things that don't just organise themselves.

Admittedly not all governments get it right for all folks all the time but that is democracy eh?


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i fucking hate "democracy. "
and i would argue "education" (indoctrination), "law" (hahahahahah lawyerjews. totally beneficial to society, right), welfare (is it really?) and "health care" (/ perpetual sickness), so, ehh...

and yeah, i reckon a lot of the good that happens, is in spite of,Not because, government jews. just attend a nurses/teachers union meeting and see...just dont mention the budget (cuts).

[Jeff Sichoe]

I'll just leave this here...

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/investigatory-powers-bill-act-snoopers-charter-browsing-history-what-does-it-mean-a7436251.html

UK - List of who can now see your internet browsing history

Metropolitan police force
City of London police force
Police forces maintained under section 2 of the Police Act 1996
Police Service of Scotland
Police Service of Northern Ireland
British Transport Police
Ministry of Defence Police
Royal Navy Police
Royal Military Police
Royal Air Force Police
Security Service
Secret Intelligence Service
GCHQ
Ministry of Defence
Department of Health
Home Office
Ministry of Justice
National Crime Agency
HM Revenue & Customs
Department for Transport
Department for Work and Pensions
NHS trusts and foundation trusts in England that provide ambulance services
Common Services Agency for the Scottish Health Service
Competition and Markets Authority
Criminal Cases Review Commission
Department for Communities in Northern Ireland
Department for the Economy in Northern Ireland
Department of Justice in Northern Ireland
Financial Conduct Authority
Fire and rescue authorities under the Fire and Rescue Services Act 2004
Food Standards Agency
Food Standards Scotland
Gambling Commission
Gangmasters and Labour Abuse Authority
Health and Safety Executive
Independent Police Complaints Commissioner
Information Commissioner
NHS Business Services Authority
Northern Ireland Ambulance Service Health and Social Care Trust
Northern Ireland Fire and Rescue Service Board
Northern Ireland Health and Social Care Regional Business Services Organisation
Office of Communications
Office of the Police Ombudsman for Northern Ireland
Police Investigations and Review Commissioner
Scottish Ambulance Service Board
Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission
Serious Fraud Office
Welsh Ambulance Services National Health Service Trust

[TheDemonLord]

I'll just leave this here...

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/investigatory-powers-bill-act-snoopers-charter-browsing-history-what-does-it-mean-a7436251.html

UK - List of who can now see your internet browsing history

Metropolitan police force
City of London police force
Police forces maintained under section 2 of the Police Act 1996
Police Service of Scotland
Police Service of Northern Ireland
British Transport Police
Ministry of Defence Police
Royal Navy Police
Royal Military Police
Royal Air Force Police
Security Service
Secret Intelligence Service
GCHQ
Ministry of Defence
Department of Health
Home Office
Ministry of Justice
National Crime Agency
HM Revenue & Customs
Department for Transport
Department for Work and Pensions
NHS trusts and foundation trusts in England that provide ambulance services
Common Services Agency for the Scottish Health Service
Competition and Markets Authority
Criminal Cases Review Commission
Department for Communities in Northern Ireland
Department for the Economy in Northern Ireland
Department of Justice in Northern Ireland
Financial Conduct Authority
Fire and rescue authorities under the Fire and Rescue Services Act 2004
Food Standards Agency
Food Standards Scotland
Gambling Commission
Gangmasters and Labour Abuse Authority
Health and Safety Executive
Independent Police Complaints Commissioner
Information Commissioner
NHS Business Services Authority
Northern Ireland Ambulance Service Health and Social Care Trust
Northern Ireland Fire and Rescue Service Board
Northern Ireland Health and Social Care Regional Business Services Organisation
Office of Communications
Office of the Police Ombudsman for Northern Ireland
Police Investigations and Review Commissioner
Scottish Ambulance Service Board
Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission
Serious Fraud Office
Welsh Ambulance Services National Health Service Trust

Proxy or VPN or TOR.

[Akzle]

- List of who can now see your internet browsing history

* any 14 year old with linux who gives a fuck about it

fixed that for you

[Big Dog]

i fucking hate "democracy. "
and i would argue "education" (indoctrination), "law" (hahahahahah lawyerjews. totally beneficial to society, right), welfare (is it really?) and "health care" (/ perpetual sickness), so, ehh...

and yeah, i reckon a lot of the good that happens, is in spite of,Not because, government jews. just attend a nurses/teachers union meeting and see...just dont mention the budget (cuts).
I'll give you one point out of your anarchists manifest, the one thing in my life that was worse than paying into the continuity chest every time I pass go was being dependent on payouts from same.

Being a solo parent getting a top up from the govt to make ends meet was the worst.

Still grateful the safety net was there though.

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[Akzle]

I'll give you one point out of your anarchists manifest, the one thing in my life that was worse than paying into the continuity chest every time I pass go was being dependent on payouts from same.

Being a solo parent getting a top up from the govt to make ends meet was the worst.

Still grateful the safety net was there though.

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just as well economoney, eh.

[Banditbandit]

I'll just leave this here...

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/investigatory-powers-bill-act-snoopers-charter-browsing-history-what-does-it-mean-a7436251.html

UK - List of who can now see your internet browsing history

Metropolitan police force
City of London police force
Police forces maintained under section 2 of the Police Act 1996
Police Service of Scotland
P
...



Yeah ... OoooKaaay .. but we do not live in that country ...

[Big Dog]

Yeah ... OoooKaaay .. but we do not live in that country ...
Maybe not, but policies that turn out to be disastrous in the UK tend to be adopted here.

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[Jeff Sichoe]

Yeah ... OoooKaaay .. but we do not live in that country ...

Oh ok then well just pretend you didn't see it and keep living the dream!

[mashman]

Yeah ... OoooKaaay .. but we do not live in that country ...

The GCSB cannot spy on New Zealanders, but routing your traffic through the US/UK and then getting that data from the US/UK isn't the same thing ;)... paraphrasing Snowden like, but he makes an interesting point.

[mashman]

I'll give you one point out of your anarchists manifest, the one thing in my life that was worse than paying into the continuity chest every time I pass go was being dependent on payouts from same.

Being a solo parent getting a top up from the govt to make ends meet was the worst.

Still grateful the safety net was there though.

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You should have worked harder then :spanking: Paula Bennett managed it :shifty:

[Big Dog]

You should have worked harder then :spanking: Paula Bennett managed it :shifty:
Begging is easy for some. Others would rather die on their feet than live in their knees.

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[bogan]

Begging is easy for some. Others would rather die on their feet than live in their knees.

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There is a third group...

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[mashman]

Begging is easy for some. Others would rather die on their feet than live in their knees.

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Begging is sometimes the only option for some given that, as Paula Bennett also said, there aren't enough jobs in NZ. Agreed with the sentiment though :yes:

[Big Dog]

Begging is sometimes the only option for some given that, as Paula Bennett also said, there aren't enough jobs in NZ. Agreed with the sentiment though :yes:
Having seen both sides of the coin, I wouldn't let my kids starve. But I would go hungry before I darken the door of another winz office.

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[mashman]

Having seen both sides of the coin, I wouldn't let my kids starve. But I would go hungry before I darken the door of another winz office.

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Why not? +chars

[Big Dog]

Why not? +chars
Because at first it seems like a great idea.
A safety net you deserve because of all those taxes you pay slowly becomes some time off between jobs.
That slowly becomes why get out of bed for work if you aren't going to make above the odds.
As this becomes more comfortable your self esteem drops.
Although this isn't true for all, for myself and for many others I know the road to returning to work was a lot longer because we weren't hungry.


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[Akzle]

Because at first it seems like a great idea.
A safety net you deserve because of all those taxes you pay slowly becomes some time off between jobs.
That slowly becomes why get out of bed for work if you aren't going to make above the odds.
As this becomes more comfortable your self esteem drops.
Although this isn't true for all, for myself and for many others I know the road to returning to work was a lot longer because we weren't hungry.


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it's like, 180 buck a week. how the fuck is that comfortable?
...unless you live in a caravan and take up alcoholism, negating the need for food, leaving all your money for whores and drugs...

also i find no lack of esteem or motivation and stacks of time for charity and shit.
time rich and money poor.
i wonder that time, the only naturally finite resource peoople have, can be conned out of them so easily by pretty bits of paper.

[mashman]

Because at first it seems like a great idea.
A safety net you deserve because of all those taxes you pay slowly becomes some time off between jobs.
That slowly becomes why get out of bed for work if you aren't going to make above the odds.
As this becomes more comfortable your self esteem drops.
Although this isn't true for all, for myself and for many others I know the road to returning to work was a lot longer because we weren't hungry.


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Furry muff.