Acc consultation

[tamarillo]

ACC wanted to consult. Many of us participated. And they completely ignored us and did what they'd obviously decided on before hand.
https://www.shapeyouracc.co.nz/proposals/motorcycle-levies/




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[5ive]

Yep, 92% against the proposals: https://www.shapeyouracc.co.nz/feedback/responses/motorcycle-levies

Good thing for them that they are not elected/appointed by the people paying their wages.

[caspernz]

Yep, got the email this morning. Shows we're getting a 1.2% decrease in 2017? I'm thrilled about that...:rolleyes:

[Jeff Sichoe]

I wonder if they had saved the $ they spent on STUPID FUCKING SURVEYS that they blatantly ignore anyway we would get a slightly bigger decrease?

I'm going to make it my business to fill out any future survey with complete bullshit and fuck up their results

[Akzle]

ACC wanted to consult. Many of us participated. And they completely ignored us and did what they'd obviously decided on before hand.
https://www.shapeyouracc.co.nz/proposals/motorcycle-levies/




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http://www.troll.me/images/creepy-willy-wonka/you-must-be-new-here.jpg

fucking seriously? what surprises you about this? what is so outside the status quo that you were enragened enough to !!!ZOMG)0011!! start a thread on KB??

stop paying the fucken jews. it's the only language they understand.

[Banditbandit]

http://www.troll.me/images/creepy-willy-wonka/you-must-be-new-here.jpg

fucking seriously? what surprises you about this? what is so outside the status quo that you were enragened enough to !!!ZOMG)0011!! start a thread on KB??



yeah .. my thoughts exactly ..what is so surprising about ACC's response? It was as predicted ..

[rastuscat]

Many on here will be happy they are not bringing in a higher premium for those at fault over those not at fault in crashes. $550 is a cheap premium for them subsidised with the $550 premium paid by those not at fault.

Glass half full that.

I happen to be cheesed at what it costs, but I can see why, with the way I see some folk riding.

I'm with you Cassina. But I'd still like to be paying less.

[Luckylegs]

Glass half full that.

I happen to be cheesed at what it costs, but I can see why, with the way I see some folk riding.

:stupid:. But I'd still like to be paying less.

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[tamarillo]

http://www.troll.me/images/creepy-willy-wonka/you-must-be-new-here.jpg

fucking seriously? what surprises you about this? what is so outside the status quo that you were enragened enough to !!!ZOMG)0011!! start a thread on KB??

stop paying the fucken jews. it's the only language they understand.

So you're saying threads aren't for discussions like this? Hmmmm. What are they for? Bad language maybe.



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[Old Steve]

That ACC levy decrease only applies to non-petrol motorcycles. FFS, how many diesel powered motorbikes, or for that sake how many electric powered motorbikes, are there on the road in NZ

I've never seen a diesel powered motorbike!

Why go through this exercise and consider ACC charges for a class of motorbike which probably doesn't exist. And none of the charts on costs per size of motorbike differentiated the accident rates or costs between petrol and non-petrol powered bikes.

What a Cluster F*#K.

[Akzle]

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Why go through this exercise and consider ACC charges for a class of motorbike which probably doesn't exist. And none of the charts on costs per size of motorbike differentiated the accident rates or costs between petrol and non-petrol powered bikes.

What a Cluster F*#K.

or on-farm / off-road crashes... still on "motorbikes", just but... they dont pay rego. have to account for them...

[Akzle]

So you're saying threads aren't for discussions like this? Hmmmm. What are they for? Bad language maybe.



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right. so you stated the obvious in your OP. now what are you going to add to the discussion?

[roogazza]

That ACC levy decrease only applies to non-petrol motorcycles. FFS, how many diesel powered motorbikes, or for that sake how many electric powered motorbikes, are there on the road in NZ

I've never seen a diesel powered motorbike!

Why go through this exercise and consider ACC charges for a class of motorbike which probably doesn't exist. And none of the charts on costs per size of motorbike differentiated the accident rates or costs between petrol and non-petrol powered bikes.

What a Cluster F*#K.

Exactly Old Steve, a cluster fuck ! I don't even read their shit,it just encourages them.
I'll do Reg when they stop playing games with the reasons for making money.
Only way to give a little protest of my own. Sure there are risks,you pays your money (or not) and take them.:shifty:

[pritch]

I'll do Reg when they stop playing games with the reasons for making money.


That amused me in the light of your employment history. :yes:

Perhaps I'm too much the obedient little bitch to do that. I did note a few weeks ago that the warrant on my bike had expired in December '15. I had renewed it at the time but God knows where the sticker is. So if I can ride around for most of a year without a warrant unknowingly, maybe I can ride around without a rego knowingly?

Old dogs, new tricks?

[roogazza]

That amused me in the light of your employment history. :yes:

Perhaps I'm too much the obedient little bitch to do that. I did note a few weeks ago that the warrant on my bike had expired in December '15. I had renewed it at the time but God knows where the sticker is. So if I can ride around for most of a year without a warrant unknowingly, maybe I can ride around without a rego knowingly?

Old dogs, new tricks?

No WOF , you maniac !!!!!! I'm considering giving myself 3 mths Reg next month, have a rest from looking over my shoulder LOL.
(& yes I have a new Warrant too haha).

[tamarillo]

So, to clarify thoughts.
Yes I kinda expected no more from ACC.
My beef is that consultation requires openess to feedback and an open position. ACC clearly weren't open at all. Which makes the whole process bullshit. And unless we say so they don't even get feedback that we're onto them and pissed off.
So I'm letting my feelings about this pr exercise be known publicly wherever I can. That's what forums are for and I'd bet ACC watch this and others.

Also, ACC do some good work for bikers, no doubt. But they also do good work for other higher risk groups without a direct tax on them as a seperate group.

Just moaning to yourself isn't ever going to acheive anything.

Keep smiling.

[Blackbird]

I did note a few weeks ago that the warrant on my bike had expired in December '15. I had renewed it at the time but God knows where the sticker is. So if I can ride around for most of a year without a warrant unknowingly, maybe I can ride around without a rego knowingly?

My warrant sticker disappeared a while back and last Friday, I finally got round to replacing it. On Saturday, I was taking a guy for a training ride and we got stopped at a police checkpoint just south of Pukekohe for a thorough check of everything. I had it in a plastic bag on the bike but not displayed. The cop wasn't the least bit worried that it wasn't displayed. The God of Motorcyclists was certainly looking after me :laugh:

[Old Steve]

I had something like that pritch, got a ticket for an out of date rego label displayed. I'd got the new rego, taken the old label out, put the old label back in and thrown the new label away.

AT was understanding about it as I had the receipt for the new rego, cost $4 at VTNZ to get a new rego label. This time, they said.

[Black Knight]

What about the safety levy fellas--If I read this correctly they have collected $14 million plus so far,spent S2.8 million,not sure what on,to date-so what do they plan to do with the $11 million surplus?More free breakfasts for AK and CH riders,fancy bits on the Coro loop and the Rimatukas which should not be paid from this fund anyway.-Ride Forever Courses have my 100% support,but just where else can you spend that kind of surplus-questions should be asked.

[Akzle]

My beef is that consultation requires openess to feedback and an open position. ACC clearly weren't open at all. Which makes the whole process bullshit. And unless we say so they don't even get feedback that we're onto them and pissed off.
which, i can assure you, will do about as much as having a fucking latté in devonport. (amirite fatmax?)

So I'm letting my feelings about this pr exercise be known publicly wherever I can. That's what forums are for and I'd bet ACC watch this and others.
yes, they'll be watching this, and others, and laughing their asses off as you plebs continue to pay them, while whining about it.


spent S2.8 million,not sure what on,

Consultants and Colmar Brunton surveys. Also WRBs cos safety.

[Jeff Sichoe]

My warrant sticker disappeared a while back and last Friday, I finally got round to replacing it. On Saturday, I was taking a guy for a training ride and we got stopped at a police checkpoint just south of Pukekohe for a thorough check of everything. I had it in a plastic bag on the bike but not displayed. The cop wasn't the least bit worried that it wasn't displayed. The God of Motorcyclists was certainly looking after me :laugh:

So the Police in Auckland randomly stop you, because you are a motorcyclist?

I thought they couldn't stop you unless you were already suspected of a crime?

[Blackbird]

So the Police in Auckland randomly stop you, because you are a motorcyclist?

I thought they couldn't stop you unless you were already suspected of a crime?

No, not randomly, it was a safety checkpoint in conjunction with the Waikato and Waipa District Council. They were checking all vehicles but had lots of nice free goodies for bikers. A totally pleasant experience.

[Jeff Sichoe]

Oh ok, cool

[pritch]

I thought they couldn't stop you unless you were already suspected of a crime?

:killingme Been watching too much foreign TV? Unless I'm mistaken that bird probably flew the coop before you were born.

When breath testing was to be introduced the Police and Transport heads and the politicians vowed nobody would ever be breath tested unless they had given cause to believe that they were driving drunk.

Not too far into the new regime it transpired that having a blown tail light bulb or similar was evidence you were drunk. Subsequent legal advice stated that they didn't need to bother with the pretence and that they could stop road users any time no problem. So they did and they still do. And it isn't just in Auckland. I've been stopped twice in recent months for breath checks.

I have also seen all traffic being stopped for warrant and rego checks - I was stopped three times in one bloody day. Actually these could be starting again soon. The last time I saw them doing this locally they were using university students - under Police supervision. The students were wearing white coats - as official as fuck. :whistle: Now they'd need Hi Viz too of course.

I've also been stopped to check that I wasn't carrying an escaped prisoner, and once I was stopped because the cop thought I was somebody else. He didn't say who and I didn't ask.

You have a lot less rights than you imagine. I blame Muldoon. :innocent:

[Akzle]

You have a lot less rights than you imagine. I blame Muldoon. :innocent:

you have the rights youre prepared to fight and argue for. I have more rights than most people cos i are number one arguey fight guy.