L plate/beginer/slow pace/no pressure meet up and chat

[Pound]

Just to gauge an interest at this stage, as I'm not too sure how many of you are out there who would want to meet up.


This would be aimed at Ladies, learners, slower pace riders, and those lacking confidence, or simply anybody who wishes to discuss tips on safety and how to be a better rider.

The time/day and meet point/ride route is open to suggestions. (Or if nothing is preferred, Z West gate or Albany car park, outside Farmers)

Free sweets and sugar free drinks to all who attend :yes:

[The End]

No offence, but I certainly hope there are people who attend who have long term riding experience and/or trained experience.

A group of newbies, lead by newbies is only asking for trouble.

The primary reason I do not participate on group rides with strangers is because there are too many show offs who ride outside of their ability, the only times I've ever witnessed accidents occur has been when on a group ride with strangers.

[Akzle]

A group of newbies, lead by newbies is only asking for trouble.


i was going to say this, but with more swearing, some jews, and general derision.

so...
make sure you video it for the lulz.

[Pound]

No offence, but I certainly hope there are people who attend who have long term riding experience and/or trained experience.

A group of newbies, lead by newbies is only asking for trouble.

The primary reason I do not participate on group rides with strangers is because there are too many show offs who ride outside of their ability, the only times I've ever witnessed accidents occur has been when on a group ride with strangers.



I would normally agree.

Been riding a Blade for 2 years now (20,000kms) and whilst I am no "newbie" I am certainly not an expert. The one thing I am though is safe.

Besides, this is more aimed at a meet up and chat about riding, and not really interested in riding anywhere in a group at this stage, but if some wish to take it further, then by all means, feel free to organize something.

[Maha]

No offence, but I certainly hope there are people who attend who have long term riding experience and/or trained experience.

A group of newbies, lead by newbies is only asking for trouble.

The primary reason I do not participate on group rides with strangers is because there are too many show offs who ride outside of their ability, the only times I've ever witnessed accidents occur has been when on a group ride with strangers.

We had just the one incident when doing our learner rides, said ride had read/heard some where that slalom riding bullshit to warm your tyres while trailing the front brake was a good idea = wrong. 200 mts after lunch his bike was on it's side in the middle of the road. He taught himself a lesson that day. You attended one or two of our rides?

I fully support Pounds idea.

[Pound]

We had just the one incident when doing our learner rides, said ride had read/heard some where that slalom riding bullshit to warm your tyres while trailing the front brake was a good idea = wrong. 200 mts after lunch his bike was on it's side in the middle of the road. He taught himself a lesson that day. You attended one or two of our rides?

I fully support Pounds idea.



Hey thanks for the support Maha!

I really am only trying to help out riders who genuinely want to be safer and better riders.

The difference between this and NASS are:

1: I have no ego
2: I have nothing to prove
3: I have virtually zero testosterone.
4: The atmosphere will be no pressure and welcoming.
5: Free zero sugar drinks and sweets (best part)

:yes:

[Pound]

i was going to say this, but with more swearing, some jews, and general derision.

so...
make sure you video it for the lulz.

Oh come now Akzle, you know you want some free candy......:shifty:

[5ive]

The only difference between this and NASS are:

1: Free zero sugar drinks and sweets (best part)



I have not been to NASS for a while, but I think this is more accurate tbh ;)

[The End]

I would normally agree.

Been riding a Blade for 2 years now (20,000kms) and whilst I am no "newbie" I am certainly not an expert. The one thing I am though is safe.

Besides, this is more aimed at a meet up and chat about riding, and not really interested in riding anywhere in a group at this stage, but if some wish to take it further, then by all means, feel free to organize something.


Hey thanks for the support Maha!

I really am only trying to help out riders who genuinely want to be safer and better riders.

The difference between this and NASS are:

1: I have no ego
2: I have nothing to prove
3: I have virtually zero testosterone.
4: The atmosphere will be no pressure and welcoming.
5: Free zero sugar drinks and sweets (best part)

:yes:

Good on ya, I hope it goes well. I didn't mean to discourage you or anyone else, just pointing out some things to remember :niceone: Might have to pop along for the free stuff ;)





We had just the one incident when doing our learner rides, said ride had read/heard some where that slalom riding bullshit to warm your tyres while trailing the front brake was a good idea = wrong. 200 mts after lunch his bike was on it's side in the middle of the road. He taught himself a lesson that day. You attended one or two of our rides?

I fully support Pounds idea.


Yes I do remember that one. Guy on a blue GSX250. Good lunch though at the pub :lol:

Your ones were always well organised and made very clear to be learner rides only - no room for shenanigans! Plus West Coast Road has since been one of my favourite routes.

[Pound]

Good on ya, I hope it goes well. I didn't mean to discourage you or anyone else, just pointing out some things to remember :niceone: Might have to pop along for the free stuff ;)



Absolutely, free stuff for all who attend!

This is mainly just to gauge interest at this stage, and if enough like minded people are in agreement, then perhaps something like Maha used to host could be started up again?.

There would of course be rules and guidelines that would need to met by all those who attend, and things like, dangerous / aggressive riding and speeding will not be tolerated.

Thanks for the kind words;)

[Pound]

I have not been to NASS for a while, but I think this is more accurate tbh ;)


Must have been to a different NASS then;)

I all seriousness though, I am not bashing or "hating on" NASS.

They ride more for the "thrill of the ride" (Nothing wrong with that in theory)

I want this to be encouraging for young or just learning riders, or even riders who want a boost in confidence.

One can only really achieve this if egos are left at home, and there is no pressure to compete with each other, or trying to "out skill" or show off.

[Bassmatt]

Hmm, just noticed you've posted this in the Biker Angels section.
Well played sir. :cool:

[nzspokes]

So this will be WASS?

[Pound]

Hmm, just noticed you've posted this in the Biker Angels section.
Well played sir. :cool:

I thought that it would be the only way to post a serious thread without getting flamed for it.

Turns out the flaming was inevitable! :rolleyes:

[caspernz]

I thought that it would be the only way to post a serious thread without getting flamed for it.

Turns out the flaming was inevitable! :rolleyes:

Admire your intent, never mind the haters. :niceone:

[EJK]

Great idea. I would support it if I was in Auckland.

I used to organise a few 250s rides every now and then... Good times!

[BuzzardNZ]

Oh come now Akzle, you know you want some free candy......:shifty:

You better cut out the offers of candy, you're starting to sound like Husa! :eek:

[WristTwister]

We had just the one incident when doing our learner rides, said ride had read/heard some where that slalom riding bullshit to warm your tyres while trailing the front brake was a good idea = wrong. 200 mts after lunch his bike was on it's side in the middle of the road. He taught himself a lesson that day. You attended one or two of our rides?

I fully support Pounds idea.

Doing a slalom weave on the road isn't a very effective way to warm tires, and front brake trail braking while doing it doesn't sound like a good combo. One way is to accelerate hard and brake hard (with no traffic behind you).


Anyway, nice laxed rides can be good for the n00bs to get some group riding experience. Just make sure they know to watch out for each other and watch their following distances.

Those RJ's mango and white chocolate logs are delish.

[EJK]

Doing a slalom weave on the road won't warm tires, and trail braking will just warm his brakes for no reason. One way is to accelerate hard and brake hard (with no traffic behind you).

Really? Oh I didn't know. Thanks for the tip.

[Gremlin]

Really? Oh I didn't know. Thanks for the tip.
Essentially it's about making the carcass of the tyre flex. Flex = friction in rubber = heat in tyres. Sport touring tyres with more grooves means the tread region has more ability to flex/move (to a point obviously, as too much heat = wear), a slick has no grooves hence using tyre warmers.

Re the ride, I ran a few learner rides, ran groups of 6, experienced leader, 4 newbies, experienced tail to observe the newbies. You definitely don't want a higher ratio than that. Other riders along for the ride were told to stay at the back or go out front, don't mess with the groups or don't bother being on the ride (in so far as you can with public roads).

[EJK]

Doing a slalom weave on the road isn't a very effective way to warm tires, and front brake trail braking while doing it doesn't sound like a good combo.


Really? Oh I didn't know. Thanks for the tip.


Essentially it's about making the carcass of the tyre flex. Flex = friction in rubber = heat in tyres. Sport touring tyres with more grooves means the tread region has more ability to flex/move (to a point obviously, as too much heat = wear), a slick has no grooves hence using tyre warmers.

Damn I think my sarcasm-meter was set too high. I'll lower it for next time.

[WristTwister]

Damn I think my sarcasm-meter was set too high. I'll lower it for next time.

So you won't be joining the L Plate/beginner/Slow pace meet up?

[EJK]

So you won't be joining the L Plate/beginner/Slow pace meet up?

That I would if I could (honestly). Back in the days I used to participate WNR (now they call it NASS) and met lots of good people and couple of idiots. So yes, I very much support the idea of learners ride. Just sayin I'm not a nay sayer, its all.

[caspernz]

Damn I think my sarcasm-meter was set too high. I'll lower it for next time.

Nope, some of us got it...:laugh:

[Pound]

Admire your intent, never mind the haters. :niceone:



Hey thanks caspernz ;)

Even if this doesn't eventuate to much, it's good to open a discussion about it all the same.

To be honest, I couldn't organize a good booze up in a brewery!

I mainly started this thread to see if there were any like minded individuals, and if there was enough interest, I was going to hand the reigns over to somebody responsible with good organizational skills to arrange a very casual meet up/ride for the learners/ L platers/ non confident/ or those who just want a slower paced ride.

And of course, I would be there to dispense the said complementary free drinks and sweets/snacks :yes:

[Maha]

Damn I think my sarcasm-meter was set too high. I'll lower it for next time.

I think the term EJ is....WOOOOOOOOSH!

[Boostinu13]

As per the intital post haha, I could be keen. My vote for starting is South Auckland....... No particular reason:shifty: and mid morning (gotta sleep in right)
I think I fit into all categories, learner, slow, lack confidence and wanting to discuss (maybe they are linked duh). *Checking something* But not a lady. 3 out of 4 aint bad.

Ok maybe its because the offer of free candies was so enticing.... Are they located in a van by anychance?

[Maha]

Yes I do remember that one. Guy on a blue GSX250. Good lunch though at the pub :lol:


I recall that the young chap had been riding for only four months at the time and had dropped his bike four times, he also didn't know the way back to West Auckland from Kaukapakapa. We rode with him to Helensville... all of 12 kms where he needed a rest, I suppose he was a bit stunned by what had happens back at Kaukapakapa.

[hokckeyholic]

I'm keen on this idea

[nzspokes]

Hey thanks caspernz ;)

Even if this doesn't eventuate to much, it's good to open a discussion about it all the same.

To be honest, I couldn't organize a good booze up in a brewery!

I mainly started this thread to see if there were any like minded individuals, and if there was enough interest, I was going to hand the reigns over to somebody responsible with good organizational skills to arrange a very casual meet up/ride for the learners/ L platers/ non confident/ or those who just want a slower paced ride.

And of course, I would be there to dispense the said complementary free drinks and sweets/snacks :yes:

Its a hard slog running a weekly ride, maybe make it a once a month thing. Make sure who you get advice from knows what they are talking about, not just somebody that got a bike licence 20 years ago.

Think about risk and where you ride. L platers can struggle to keep a safe speed on the open road so other road users become frustrated and do stupid things. A slower pace ride can be a lot more dangerous than a pace ride. Take lots of breaks so the riders dont get overwhelmed.

[Old Steve]

I'm not in favour of group learner rides, lot of peer pressure and the ride leader can't keep an eye on all of the participants.

I do like the idea of a group get together to chew the fat, pass on experiences. So do PM me Pound with lots of warning if this gets off the ground, I'd be keen on either West Gate or Albany (Albany better).

If a learner rider is going for a ride with another rider to improve their confidence then I think one on one is better.

While I've only been riding 8 years I've probably done at least 10,000 km per year, I'm a careful cruiser and have some adult training qualifications * However I don't think I yet meet the requirements for being a mentor, yet I'd like to put something back into an activity I do enjoy.



* When I told some teacher friends that I used questioning techniques in my adult training sessions they said, in a superior tone, "Oh, you mean the Aristotle method of teaching?"

[Maha]

''I'm not in favour of group learner rides, lot of peer pressure and the ride leader can't keep an eye on all of the participants''.
Which is why properly run learner ride have both a RIC and a TEC..and a good mixture of experienced riders.

Group learner rides are easy when it has structure. On our larger group rides, we used to have no more than eight in a group and that included the TEC/RIC.
They were never about mentoring.

Keeping instructions to a minimum is advised, to much information and they just don't hear what you're saying.

[nzspokes]

If a learner rider is going for a ride with another rider to improve their confidence then I think one on one is better.



Yerp 100% with you on that one.

[FatMax]

Yerp 100% with you on that one.

Yawn........

[Oakie]

Yawn........

You still here old fella? I thought you'd moved on from here?

[FatMax]

You still here old fella? I thought you'd moved on from here?

Nah mate always look in from time to time and see who is talking the most bollocks, see its the same old suspects

[jasonu]

I'm not in favour of group learner rides, lot of peer pressure and the ride leader can't keep an eye on all of the participants.

I do like the idea of a group get together to chew the fat, pass on experiences. So do PM me Pound with lots of warning if this gets off the ground, I'd be keen on either West Gate or Albany (Albany better).

If a learner rider is going for a ride with another rider to improve their confidence then I think one on one is better.

While I've only been riding 8 years I've probably done at least 10,000 km per year, I'm a careful cruiser and have some adult training qualifications * However I don't think I yet meet the requirements for being a mentor, yet I'd like to put something back into an activity I do enjoy.



* When I told some teacher friends that I used questioning techniques in my adult training sessions they said, in a superior tone, "Oh, you mean the Aristotle method of teaching?"

Group rides encourage people to ride outside their capabilities and there is pressure to keep up with other riders that causes accidents. I thought everyone knew that...

[Old Steve]

Well, I'm without a bike at the moment but would be happy to drive somewhere to have a chat - I've got a lot of recent experience in what happens when a taxi pulls across in front of you and Katman has passed on lots of 'constructive' comments about how I could have avoided the accident.

Also, a monthly get together like this would be a great way to meet other KBers.

I would suggest Albany, just closer for me, and instead of the Farmers Home Store carpark why not the Maccas around the corner? At least you could get a cuppa and sit down.

What about one of the weekends after Xmas, maybe set it for the first Sunday of every month at a certain time. That'd make it Sunday 1st January, 2017 next month.

Come back with time suggestions if interested (anything after 11.00 am for me :niceone: )

[Old Steve]

No takers? Too early in the year. Maybe see you next month.

[Old Steve]

Pound started this idea a couple of months ago, what about a monthly North Shore meeting for a cuppa and a chat, make your way home afterwards via the long way. Swap ideas, experiences and favourite roads and cafes.

Maccas, Albany, 11.00 am Sunday 5th February.

I'm away holidaying until the Saturday and won't be riding with my injured shoulder, but will try to drive the cage up to meet anyone else who turns up.

So, is it worth my while to get out of bed early that morning?