Old Steve had an off

[Old Steve]

7.20 am Monday morning, riding down the LH T3 lane in Onewa Rd, no-one else in the T3 lane apart from a bike about 50 metres ahead, traffic stopped in the RH normal traffic lane, road dry. Came up to a side street on my left with "Keep Clear" lines painted on the road and a taxi coming towards me swung right through a gap in the stopped traffic and, without slowing to check, started to cross the T3 lane. It came from the behind a stopped SUV in the normal lane so I didn't see it until it entered the clear T3 lane.

It braked and came to a stop with it's nose about 2/3 - 3/4 across the T 3lane. I braked but decided that I'd hit the taxi so released the brakes and steered hard to the left to go around the front of it. I must've dragged my foot pedal or something because I low sided the bike, the bike skidded across in front of the taxi (I must have made the right decision?) and I slid across the front of the taxi, across the side road and into the gutter.

Rearward dislocated shoulder (and aren't they painful), bruised ribs, bruises on the hip, left hand and elbows. The gear did it's job, left boot worn through the leather and the steel cap had wear marks on it, elbow of my jacket has a small hole worn through it about the size of a $2 coin, knee of my trousers ripped but no damage to me down there, and scratches on the left hand side of the helmet and helmet visor. It wasn't until it arrived in the gutter that any damage was done to me, it'd been sliding on my front but my right shoulder hit the gutter and flipped me over onto my back and I guess that's when it was dislocated.

Ambulance ride to hospital, seven hour wait until I could have general anaesthetic to relocate my shoulder (why did I have breakfast, they won't give you a general anaesthetic until 6 hours after you've eaten), and home by 7.30 pm.

But the thing that really P*##ed me off was that the taxi driver pulled in to the side street, pulled into a driveway and sat in his car for about 5 minutes, then drove off. The wonderful people who were looking after me grabbed their phone and took a photo of the number plate and gave it to the police.

Not too much damage to the bike, new clutch level, new topbox and saddlebags, new headlight surround, new helmet, and I'll have to keep my arm in a sling for two weeks.

But, could have been worse.


Cautious rider who will be even more cautious in future.

[Banditbandit]

Glad you are still around - and will recover.

[Moi]

Best wishes for a speedy recovery...



and smite to the taxi driver...

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[Maha]

Read the title and immediately thought Katman had caught a splinter on the way down off his high horse.

[jafagsx250]

You should get a dash cam. I'm saving up for one for Christmas at the moment. Well worth the money when you're in an accident.

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[Big Dog]

Great to hear you're still with us and fundamentally ok.
Good luck for the recovery on the injuries.

Sadly because you didn't hit him it will go down as a single vehicle crash, if you get the wrong officers you might even get the blame.

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[Katman]

And be more aware of gaps in the traffic.

[YellowDog]

So sorry to read this and thanks for sharing. I know that road really well and used to ride that way to the city, on a daily basis.

I have had similar scenarios and ABS has saved me more than once.

I guess I was luckier than you asnd riding a high bike is a big plus.

Heal up soon and get back on that horse asap.

[R650R]

Sorry to read and get well soon.

But Congratulations and top marks in accepting you still had choices in that situation and made a decision that has probably undoubtledly saved you from worse injury.

[Akzle]

Glad to hear about this and sorry your OK... :whistle:

(but no, actually, even I am not that much of a cunt.)

but yeah nah. I dont envy you riding in dorkland, but if you're blatting up the inside, you can fairly well expect morons from every direction (liek... status quo) and this was hardly unforseeable.

just as learning notes, what would you do next time?
your "caution" obviously didn't work,
so what changes are you going to make, to avoid being the meat in a taxi-pavement sandwhich?


You should get a dash cam. I'm saving up for one for Christmas at the moment. Well worth the money when you're in an accident.

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why, so you can watch yourself get mashed on replay? or they can play it at your self-righteous, sanctimonious arse funeral?

[Ifsn8u]

Hope you have a speedy recovery with ya shoulder and are back on the bike soon.

One question in regards to your incident

Do you think your style of bike had a part in you coming off when you had to turn sharply?

[Metastable]

To the taxi driver: :D
http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/50f0c59e6bb3f7b23800000b-1173-879/nuclear-weapon-bomb-castle-romeo-1.jpg

Seriously though - Glad to hear you are mostly ok!

[caseye]

Heal well, take the time to work this one out. Make sure the Police prosecute this bloody cabbie, say thank you to those who took the photo and who helped you, Katman is right, not that it helps now, but ride with both eyes open next time , please.Go do a course or two on avoidance, you probably could have out turned and avoided this fucker, not saying you didn't try, just really, go learn your limits so next time you come out still on two wheels and having missed the prick.Ride on young man, ride on.

[nzspokes]

I had pretty much the same accident in 2012. I focused on what a 4wd was up to ahead. I wasnt scanning enough and he got me from the side. Drivers fault but I should have seen him coming.

Went to claims court as my insurance company wanted money back from the unemployed and uninsured little indian guy. He tried to argue it was my fault, I was speeding and I should have been just let him through. Its my understanding he is still paying the insurance company back at $5 a week and will be for years.

[Katman]

I'm struggling to figure out how some of you are automatically placing the blame on the taxi driver.

If there was a gap in the traffic and he was being let through, there is nothing in the original post that says he did so without due diligence.

If the OP wasn't able to see the taxi driver, why would you assume that the taxi driver was able to see him?

[swbarnett]

You should get a dash cam. I'm saving up for one for Christmas at the moment. Well worth the money when you're in an accident.
Better off spending your money on training so you don't need one.

[mossy1200]

I'm struggling to figure out how some of you are automatically placing the blame on the taxi driver.

If there was a gap in the traffic and he was being let through, there is nothing in the original post that says he did so without due diligence.

If the OP wasn't able to see the taxi driver, why would you assume that the taxi driver was able to see him?

Likely being the crossing an oncoming lane without being able to see its clear and leaving the scene of a accident.

[Akzle]

I'm struggling to figure out how some of you are automatically placing the blame on the taxi driver.

If there was a gap in the traffic and he was being let through, there is nothing in the original post that says he did so without due diligence.

If the OP wasn't able to see the taxi driver, why would you assume that the taxi driver was able to see him?

dude. taxi drivers are OBVIOUSLY foreigners, so OBVIOUSLY don't know the rules or give a fuck about the locals (or white people, either) and so OBVIOUSLY did crimes, maliciously and with bad intent.

fuck, what are you? objective or something?

[Katman]

Likely being the crossing an oncoming lane without being able to see its clear and leaving the scene of a accident.

There was no collision though.

It could just be that the OP handled an unfortunate incident poorly.

[Katman]

fuck, what are you? objective or something?

Yeah, it's a curse.

[mossy1200]

There was no collision though.

It could just be that the OP handled an unfortunate incident poorly.

Probably correct. Decided he had no blame and left before popo could say otherwise.

[Laava]

Probably correct. Decided he had no blame and left before popo could say otherwise.

If he didn't even get out of his car and come to inquire about the guys health at the very least that makes him a gutless cunt.

[Big Dog]

Possibly a little late now, but under similar circumstances I decided to make an unplanned turn up the driveway when I realised braking alone was only going to make the dent smaller.
That taxi was going somewhere and was no longer using this as an exit.

It worked for me although my interloper was an MX5. The crossing was a little rough, bikes aren't designed for a crossing while on a good lean. Still, better shitty undies than a sore bike.

It won't always work out, but I figure as long as your still searching for that chance, however slim, you might just have one.

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[Katman]

If he didn't even get out of his car and come to inquire about the guys health at the very least that makes him a gutless cunt.

Well the same could possibly be said for a male motorcyclist who habitually intimidates women drivers when he thinks he's been wronged.

[Laava]

Well the same could possibly be said for a male motorcyclist who habitually intimidates women drivers when he thinks he's been wronged.

I have no idea what you are on about

[Katman]

I have no idea what you are on about

That's ok - the OP will.

[mossy1200]

Well the same could possibly be said for a male motorcyclist who habitually intimidates women drivers when he thinks he's been wronged.

I posted on a bikers Angels thread once and almost became a sex slave.
That was intimidating.

[jafagsx250]

Better off spending your money on training so you don't need one.

That is true. Which reminds me that I should invest in some. But even if you ride faultless and all that there's always going to be a dumb ass who'll think of some creative way to fuck you up. So I'd like to cover my ass with evidenceof them being in the wrong.

[caseye]

There is the same risk when travelling in bus lanes in ChCh and I always travel below the speed limit and keep an eye on any gaps in the lined up traffic. No need to go to a riding school as other posters have said but I would agree with the poster that said the sort of bike you were on if it was a Suzuki Boulevard would have gone against you in terms of ride height and ability to swerve.

Crap!, A Bike turns and goes where it's pointed , when you tell it too, the OP may have been a bit slow off the mark and therefore could not avoid either the collision or the fall, will you please stop talking shit. You know so little about riding anything, yet constantly profess to be a competent rider???????????????????? with a history of at least 7 offs, all but one of which were your own fault.
I invite you to pack your shit and fuck off, politely of course.

[eldog]

Better off spending your money on training so you don't need one.
and time on practise, so sudden avoidance manoeuvres become automatic.

practise, practise, practise so you know your bike and you ride as one.
Stuff like slalom, quick position changes, slowing and changing lanes, estop while steering. We all know about it but often just do it.
A mate of mine was behind a truck on a line of traffic. He was on the middle of the lane in a line of slow moving traffic. From the other direction it looked like a gap, he only broke a hip and leg when the car crossed thru the 'gap'.
Got a make ourselves more 'visible' by whatever means necessary.
sad about your incident, get well and back on the bike:2thumbsup

Shoulders take ages to heal.

[neels]

I've almost had the same accident, had a van turn right in front of me and block most of my lane, and the distance meant braking was not an option. Sounds like the difference was ground clearance of the bike that meant I could change direction, and pulled up on the roadside with mrs on the back having a badly bruised ankle from collecting the bumper.

Hopefully you have witnesses, from my experience it sounds like a possible careless driving causing injury and failing to stop and ascertain injury. Just because there was no contact doesn't mean they didn't fuck up.

[mossy1200]

I am the second person who felt the type of bike which may have been a cruiser was a contributing factor.

I know my cruiser could not dodge anything. It can barely go around a planed corner without trying dig something into the ground.

[WristTwister]

I've yet to see anything more than a road sign to raise driver awareness of bikers in NZ.



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[swbarnett]

That is true. Which reminds me that I should invest in some. But even if you ride faultless and all that there's always going to be a dumb ass who'll think of some creative way to fuck you up. So I'd like to cover my ass with evidenceof them being in the wrong.
I understand the sentiment but have never felt the need to "cover myself". I prefer to concentrate on taking responsibility for my own safety (and that of those around me at times). I ride with the attitude that ALL crashes are avoidable. I know that this is not absolutely true but find that riding with that attitude vastly increases my alertness and ability to forsee a bad situation developing.

[jafagsx250]

I understand the sentiment but have never felt the need to "cover myself". I prefer to concentrate on taking responsibility for my own safety (and that of those around me at times). I ride with the attitude that ALL crashes are avoidable. I know that this is not absolutely true but find that riding with that attitude vastly increases my alertness and ability to forsee a bad situation developing.

That is a good attitude to take. A lot of the near misses I've has have been partially or wholly my fault. Nearly all of the time if I'd done something slightly different I reckon they'd have never gave happened.

[Berries]

We only have T1 lanes in Dunners but my view of T3 lanes is they are for vehicles with three or more passengers, so car and buses etc. Forget the legalities or not about motorbikes using them it is what the car drivers expect in that lane.

When turning through stationary traffic I will take extra care for my own safety. If on four wheels I will think about bikes because I ride and because this is such a common crash type. You can be doing everything legal using a bus lane or T2/3 lane happily riding passed stationary traffic, chuckling to yourself about all the idiot cagers but someone will leave a gap or someone will change lanes quickly and if you aren't switched on you are fucked.

Cars can only turn through gaps that are there, gaps that are visible if you are looking. You'd be amazed how many riders get bowled overtaking stationary traffic on flush medians for the same reasons.

Finally, taxi drivers may all be cunts, like truck drivers, but they don't want to get involved in an incident because time is money for them.

[OddDuck]

Sorry to hear about your off, Steve... hope the recovery goes well and you're riding again soon.

+1 on practice.

For years I've been riding with the assumption that they're not actively hostile, it's just that they have no idea that I'm there... it's served me well more times than I can remember. Keeping sight lines open and clearances wide has worked too.

[pritch]

We only have T1 lanes in Dunners but my view of T3 lanes is they are for vehicles with three or more passengers, so car and buses etc. Forget the legalities or not about motorbikes using them it is what the car drivers expect in that lane.


I didn't even know what a T3 lane was so I had to look it up. I see I'm not the only one who is not clear on the concept.

Condolences to the OP, shoulders can be seriously painful. The suggestion re training courses was a good one. In an emergency situation we get about 1/3 of a second to decide what to do. Better to be searching recent memory than trying to remember back to 1959 or whenever.

[Luckylegs]

...trying to remember back to 1959 or whenever.

It was the summer, Summer of 69

Bryan Adams said so

[Old Steve]

Think I should give an update:

I thought I was a cautious rider, and knew the limitations of my cruiser. I will be even more cautious in future.

Training; I am a firm believer in training. I have done the RideSafe (Prorider) Silver course, and was lucky to have onlt five riders doing it that day so we got pretty one-on-one instruction. Earlier I had done a course with Ian Templeton of Wellington (?). I have also done course on Urban riding sponsored by Auckland Transport and ACC. I also do the 'happy biker weave' whenever I can, not in any way for the fun of it, but to strengthen the reflexes that you have to countersteer to get out of trouble.

Conditions: Road was dry, lane ahead was perfectly clear, the last vehicle in the stopped traffic (the other side to me of the 'keepclear' gap) was an SUV and the first vehicle in the lane after the 'keepclear' gap was another SUV. I think that affected the vision of both the taxi and myself -a Prius isn'yt the tallest of cars. However, witnesses said the taxi was coming up at quite a speed and just swerved through the gap and into the clear inside T3 lane.

The incident: I had eased off the throttle approaching the intersection as there were cars queued waiting out come out from my left as well, I don't think my attention was focused on them but they could have been a distraction. I was doing probably 40 to 45 km/hr, I wasn't hooning down the T3 lane, but the Prius appeared so suddenly - it was just there and my immediate reaction was to brake. Everything seemed in slow motion, I realised that if I continued I would go into the side of the taxi so let go of the brake and countersteered to go around the front of the taxi to the left. I remember thinking that I wouldn't actually turn left into the side road because I'd most probably end up T-boning one of the cars waiting to come out of the intersection. Yes, the type of bike probably contributed to my inability to remain upright, But I thought I rode according to the type of bike I had. I had the feeling of being lifted as I was heeled over, I thought I was going to high-side but went down on my left hand side and distinctly recall getting punched in the ribs by my left hand grip. Both the bike and I crossed in front of the taxi, albeit both of us sliding on the road as I'd parted company from the bike.

The bike has sliding damage on the left hand side of the headlight surround, broken clutch lever, ripped saddlebags and smashed top box, all on the left hand side from a low side fall. Holeshot Suzuki picked it up and have the insurance repairs underway - I've asked them to leave the small graze on the LH heated grip endcap as a reminder that I should be more alert.

I was sliding on my left front side, head forward. My helmet has grazes on the left side of the visor and left side of the chin piece, my jacket's left elbow is grazed, the left knee of my pants is worn through, the leather on the left toe of my boots is worn through and the steel cap has wear marks on it. Then my right shoulder hit the gutter on the other side of the intersection, I was rolled over on to my back and came to rest on the grass strip. Damage to me is a posterior dislocation of the right shoulder, where the ball comes out and rises up behind the socket - this is unbelievably painful, especially if you have to wait 6 hours after you've last eaten to go into theatre so you can have an general anaesthetic. Bruised LH ribs, and deep bruises now coming out in places that I never realised I had places. So I'm pretty lucky.

What have I learned: I've said that we should always have a plan B, in this case I didn't and mine had to be developed at the last minute and didn't work. I might have made it if I'd had a plan that I'd go left around the front of a car if one came out of the gap in the traffic right from the start. Slow even more where there are gaps in traffic. Don't assume other motorists will do the right thing like making sure a lane is clear. I'll definitely be slowing more before intersections, I had slowed down from about 55 to 45 but this wasn't enough - however we can't come to a complete stop at every corner or gap in the traffic so there's always going to be risk involved riding a bike. And I'll remember that you can't see everything, this taxi really did seem to come out of nowhere, low vehicle shielded by an SUV - just as I was shielded from the taxi driver's view by another SUV.

I'm a committed ATGATT wearer and I thought I was riding to the conditions and the surrounding, I was wearing a fluoro hi-viz vest and might try and get a fluoro yellow helmet to replace this one. But to everybody, wear All The Gear All the Time, as they say dress for the slide not for the ride.

Thanks for the best wishes, and for all the comments made on the post - none of them are inappropriate, all raise some area of our riding that should be evaluated.

Old (and sore) Steve

[Big Dog]

Excellent post.

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[aws]

I understand how easy it is for this kind of incident to happen. I had one myself on the Mt Eden Road bus lane one morning that was eerily similar, albeit with a rather different outcome. I'll admit that I was a bit too comfortable in the bus lane and probably wasn't as aware of this particular hazard as I should have been. I'm certainly aware of it now! My view of the opposing traffic was blocked by a large truck that was parked at the head of the line before the gap in the traffic. The car must have seen the gap and assumed it was OK to go, but wouldn't have been able to see me until they were fully in the gap. As the car appeared I was hard on the ABS and getting ready to jump thinking "this is going to leave a scratch". I think what saved my bacon was the truck driver must have seen me in his mirrors and waved out to the driver, because while he entered my lane at speed, he did manage to stop only half blocking my lane - just enough that I was able to let go and get around the front of him. Heart raced a bit after that one, and I'm not going to forget it in a hurry. Bus lanes really do call for an extra dose of caution!

I actually think that the current trend for placing bus and cycle lanes against the kerb has opened up a whole new hazard that car drivers haven't caught up with yet. Cycle lanes I think are particularly hazardous when they cross an intersection. I just don't think drivers are expecting there to be a free-flowing lane there behind a line of parked traffic. We have a cycle lane down the north side of Cartlon Gore Rd in Newmarket and I'm dreading the day when a cyclist coming down the hill at speed gets collected by a car trying to turn right (or particularly left) into the Domain or George St.

[pritch]

I think you're being a bit hard on yourself. Your Plan A would likely have ended in you T Boning the taxi. You avoided the trap of target fixation and went for plan B.
OK it didn't result in a complete escape, but it's probably preferable to centre punching a Prius.

[jasonu]

I'm struggling to figure out how some of you are automatically placing the blame on the taxi driver.


It's because taxi drivers are and have always been a bunch of cunts. Prolly a stinky curry muncher or doon coon too.

[5ive]

I believe the chances of avoiding the crash would have been far greater if you had been riding a taller bike for the simple reason they give you better perifial vision. If you are tall enough demo an adventure bike and ride exactly the same route and if you feel instantly safer you will know the problem is with your bike. No need to put any more money into further riding school training then. I have demoed a crusier myself and was well aware the lower ground clearance could present a danger but they do have a neat look about them though.

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[haydes55]

Heal up quick Steve.

Get a motard, next time just pop the clutch and roll straight over the obstacles.

(It works, I tried it on GTA)

Kudos for being brave enough to admit this on the harshest of platforms (where cassina can see). I'd much rather learn from other fuck ups than my own.

[Moi]

I'm struggling to figure out how some of you are automatically placing the blame on the taxi driver.

If there was a gap in the traffic and he was being let through, there is nothing in the original post that says he did so without due diligence.

If the OP wasn't able to see the taxi driver, why would you assume that the taxi driver was able to see him?

I would have thought that "failure to give way" would be a start as to why the taxi driver is to blame...

Also, if he is prepared to turn across an "empty lane" without checking carefully when his view is obstructed then he is very lucky that it was Steve on his bike and not another taxi with passengers coming down the T3 lane.

Before anyone says that T3 lanes, and for that matter Bus Lanes, are dangerous - consider an intersection with two lanes at the traffic lights: left lane left turn only and right lane straight ahead only. Traffic is queued in right [straight ahead lane] but leaving a gap at a side street whereas the left lane [left turn only lane] is clear. Would you just turn right into that side street without checking that left turn lane especially if there is a large vehicle [a 4x4, for instance] blocking your clear view of that left lane?

Just a thought...

[Katman]

I would have thought that "failure to give way" would be a start as to why the taxi driver is to blame...


Just a thought...

Well actually, he did give way.

Maybe the OP just wasn't riding in a manner to take advantage of that 'way'.

Just a thought.

[pritch]

Well actually, he did give way.

Maybe the OP just wasn't riding in a manner to take advantage of that 'way'.

Just a thought.

I'm no legal expert but if the OPs description is correct the taxi obstructed the lane he was using. I'm not sure that parking across a lane could fairly be described as giving way.

[Katman]

I'm no legal expert but if the OPs description is correct the taxi obstructed the lane he was using. I'm not sure that parking across a lane could fairly be described as giving way.

Yeah, 'cos no motorcyclist has ever embellished a story to support their argument.

:rolleyes:

[mossy1200]

Yeah, 'cos no motorcyclist has ever embellished a story to support their argument.

:rolleyes:

Hard to believe anyone would add a taxi to put some meat in their off story even on this site.:eek5:

[Katman]

Hard to believe anyone would add a taxi to put some meat in their off story even on this site.:eek5:

I have no doubt that a taxi was involved in the story.

But did the taxi really come to a halt blocking 2/3rds of the lane? Or was it just a case of a panic reaction due to inattention?

The reality is that if we're going to be permitted to use bus/transit lanes then it's in our best interests to do so with all due care and diligence.

Otherwise TPTB will turn around and say "Fuck yas, you're not allowed in that lane any more".

(In exactly the same way that if we're going to lane split then we'd better do that with all due care and diligence as well).

[Moi]

Well actually, he did give way.

Maybe the OP just wasn't riding in a manner to take advantage of that 'way'.

Just a thought.

I'd suggest he didn't give way - he panic-stopped when he realised that the lane he was turning across was not clear... [had the taxi driver actually accelerated and cleared the lane then the outcome would have been different]

Or, he failed to give way because he caused some one who has every right to be in that lane to take evasive action because of the taxi's not giving way.

[Katman]

I'd suggest he didn't give way - he panic-stopped when he realised that the lane he was turning across was not clear... [had the taxi driver actually accelerated and cleared the lane then the outcome would have been different]

Or, he failed to give way because he caused some one who has every right to be in that lane to take evasive action because of the taxi's not giving way.

Thank fuck for lawyers, aye?

[nzspokes]

Thank fuck for lawyers, aye?

Dont need a lawyer for that one, My insurance company rep and I won that in small claims court with ease. And yes he stopped after he saw me.

Then moaned like a little bitch when he worked out it was going to cost him and no I wasnt going to pay for the damage to his piece of crap car.

[AllanB]

Best to just sit in the shed and polish your bike.

My Ducati is so friggen clean :niceone:

[pritch]

Thank fuck for lawyers, aye?

If I may digress? Last night on the TV news there was an item about a guy printing T shirts in aid of Kaikoura businesses. Words to the effect, It's not hard to be kind aye. And I'm sitting here doing my nut because if you're going to print a T shirt at least make sure the spelling is correct.

Correct spelling: It's not hard to be kind eh? Fuck! There are only two letters and a sizeable chunk of the population can't even manage to spell that. So much for the teachers' union telling us what a great job they are doing.

As you were.

/Rant

[Ocean1]

If I may digress? Last night on the TV news there was an item about a guy printing T shirts in aid of Kaikoura businesses. Words to the effect, It's not hard to be kind aye. And I'm sitting here doing my nut because if you're going to print a T shirt at least make sure the spelling is correct.

Correct spelling: It's not hard to be kind eh? Fuck! There are only two letters and a sizeable chunk of the population can't even manage to spell that. So much for the teachers' union telling us what a great job they are doing.

As you were.

/Rant

Not to mention how absolutely appropriate it is to pick up smug, sanctimonious arseholes on their grammar at every possible opportunity.

[Katman]

...smug, sanctimonious arseholes.....

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[FJRider]

Maybe the OP just wasn't riding in a manner to take advantage of that 'way'.

Just a thought.

Having "Right of way" is NO guarantee that right of way will be given. After knowing of many such cases in the past (motorcycle verses car) .... I don't always press my "advantage" either. Do you .. ??

And in more than a few cases of doing so ... I got to live longer.

[Katman]

Do you .. ??

No, I ride with my eyes shut.

[eldog]

I believe the chances of avoiding the crash would have been far greater if you had been riding a taller bike for the simple reason they give you better perifial vision.
scouring the web for a Penny Farthing to improve my perifial vision:shit:

my peripheral vision vision is only limited by my helmet. My field of vision by my position and height, maybe I should just stand on the pegs while riding my adv mbike.:shifty:

[FJRider]

No, I ride with my eyes shut.

If it works for you ... :jerry::jerry::jerry:

[FJRider]

I believe the chances of avoiding the crash would have been far greater if you had been riding a taller bike for the simple reason they give you better perifial vision. If you are tall enough demo an adventure bike and ride exactly the same route and if you feel instantly safer you will know the problem is with your bike. No need to put any more money into further riding school training then. I have demoed a crusier myself and was well aware the lower ground clearance could present a danger but they do have a neat look about them though.

Now I know why you crash so often ... you ride with your head up your ass ... :blank:

And the word you need is peripheral ... :rolleyes:

[Akzle]

If I may digress? Last night on the TV news there was an item about a guy printing T shirts in aid of Kaikoura businesses. Words to the effect, It's not hard to be kind aye. And I'm sitting here doing my nut because if you're going to print a T shirt at least make sure the spelling is correct.

Correct spelling: It's not hard to be kind eh? Fuck! There are only two letters and a sizeable chunk of the population can't even manage to spell that. So much for the teachers' union telling us what a great job they are doing.

As you were.

/Rant

i think you'd best light the hitcher-lamp, ay?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=326574&stc=1&d=1480664875

Best to just sit in the shed and polish your bike.

My Ducati is so friggen clean :niceone:

me too.

[oldiebutagoody]

Having "Right of way" is NO guarantee that right of way will be given. After knowing of many such cases in the past (motorcycle verses car) .... I don't always press my "advantage" either. Do you .. ??

And in more than a few cases of doing so ... I got to live longer.

Absolutely agree 100%. Similar experience both on bikes and in cars/trucks over the years as a professional driver.

At the tender age of 15 my old man took me for a drive in his new work car (senior enforcement officer). He pulled over on a dead straight SI road and we swapped seats. He explained the absence in law of any legal" right of way", only the legal requirement to "give way". I would be unwise to assume i had any right to "take right of way". Stood me in good stead.

Then he said, "put your foot to the floor son, and see how fast she will go". I got to 85 mph before bottling out.:headbang:

Brand new HQ Kingswood, 500 or so miles on the odo. .......still remember that new car smell........

[FJRider]

scouring the web for a Penny Farthing to improve my perifial vision:shit:



The higher you get ... the further you can fall ... :innocent:

[Katman]

"put your foot to the floor son, and see how fast she will go".


Cool double standards story bro.

[FJRider]

If I may digress? Last night on the TV news there was an item about a guy printing T shirts in aid of Kaikoura businesses. Words to the effect, It's not hard to be kind aye. And I'm sitting here doing my nut because if you're going to print a T shirt at least make sure the spelling is correct.

Correct spelling: It's not hard to be kind eh? Fuck! There are only two letters and a sizeable chunk of the population can't even manage to spell that. So much for the teachers' union telling us what a great job they are doing.

As you were.

/Rant

Aye could be correct as well ...



exclamation: aye;

1.
said to express assent; yes.
"aye, you're right there"


(in voting) I assent.
"all in favour say aye"

noun
noun: aye; plural noun: ayes;

[Katman]

Aye could be correct as well ...



exclamation: aye;

1.
said to express assent; yes.
"aye, you're right there"


(in voting) I assent.
"all in favour say aye"

noun
noun: aye; plural noun: ayes;

Aye? :scratch:

[FJRider]

Aye? :scratch:

I bet you never played scrabble ... well not the board game anyway ....

[Maha]

I bet you never played scrabble ... well not the board game anyway ....

Aye is Scottish for yes eh?

[FJRider]

Aye is Scottish for yes eh?

Word Origin

Old Norse ei ever;

Old English ā;

[Old Steve]

I have no doubt that a taxi was involved in the story.

But did the taxi really come to a halt blocking 2/3rds of the lane? Or was it just a case of a panic reaction due to inattention?

Hey Katman, you must have been there, huh, so could you contact Takapuna Police because they'd like more information on the Taxi if you can give it.

I'm telling this story in case someone learns something from it and saves themselves a similar experience. I'm old enough not to have to worry about embellishing stories.

Hell, I've been there and done that, I could tell a true story about having a rifle barrel stuck up my nose in the Bethlehem Post Office in the early hours of Christmas morning, why would I feel the need to embellish a story about an accident I was involved in. I'm using my experience as a case history, maybe someone will learn from it, I definitely have. I'm old enough that I don't have to massage my own ego. If I wanted to appear somewhat superior then I wouldn't have mentioned the accident in the first place.

By the way, I knew I was coming up to a side road, I slowed from about 55 km/hr to 40 to 45 km/hr, road was dry and clear, and people who helped pick me up and called the ambulance and the Police said the Taxi hadn't slowed, it'd just wheeled into the gap and into my lane. Yes, it might not have been 2/3 of the lane it blocked, it might have been 3/4, it definitely was at least more than 2/3 of the lane. I was certainly being attentive, I remember braking while the taxi was still moving, thinking should I continue braking, go right so I could go behind in case the taxi drove straight through the intersection, go left so I could go in front of the taxi in case it stopped and quickly deciding that braking now wasn't the best option as that would mean I would t-bone the now rapidly slowing taxi.

And yes to those suggesting a taller bike, I remember how much more I saw when riding my Honda ST1100 in Queensland. But I'm challenged in the inside leg measurement and always felt uncomfortable on the ST1100 (and also on a Triumph ST I was given a ride on) because I couldn't reach the ground securely when stopped. So, it's unfortunate that I have to ride something a little lower.

[Katman]

I'm telling this story in case someone learns something from it and saves themselves a similar experience.

Ah well, maybe my comments are more directed at the people in this thread who seem to offer nothing more than pointless sympathy - instead of seeing the glaringly obvious lessons to be taken from it.




I was certainly being attentive,



Clearly not sufficiently.

[oldiebutagoody]

Cool double standards story bro.

Yup sure is.

Which is why I try not to throw stones, .....glass houses etc etc.

[Akzle]

... story about having a rifle barrel stuck up my nose in the Bethlehem Post Office in the early hours of Christmas morning, .

jesus !

[Katman]

If this thread really was started as a means to get people to learn something from it, there'd be a whole lot more discussion about whether your lane positioning could have been better, whether 40 - 45 kph was an appropriate speed for the situation and how you managed to misread the level of hazard that the situation presented - and a whole lot less of the "there there, don't be so hard on yourself, it was the nasty cab driver's fault".

[Maha]

Seems as though old Steve did learn something from this ''Cautious rider who will be even more cautious in future''

[pritch]

If this thread really was started as a means to get people to learn something from it, there'd be a whole lot more discussion about whether your lane positioning could have been better, whether 40 - 45 kph was an appropriate speed for the situation and how you managed to misread the level of hazard that the situation presented - and a whole lot less of the "there there, don't be so hard on yourself, it was the nasty cab driver's fault".

You need to lighten up. Again.

I've posted details of accidents and near misses and I read other accounts of accidents and near misses because they act as a reminder. They can promote thinking about the situations described so as to help one react appropriately should such a situation arise.

Unremitting negativity though, doesn't tend to promote much of anything.

[WristTwister]

Those yellow cross-hatched "Keep Clear" zones are a hazard, I often see:

1. Cars stopping on them as if they weren't there
2. turning cars drive straight through and risk getting T-boned by traffic flowing in the second lane
3. people on two wheels lane-splitting through these keep clear zones and risking not being seen (see 2.)

Ride Forever (Andrew Templeton not Ian btw) teaches that you should look at every intersection, so we have to consciously add these Keep Clear zones to that list. Obviously we'd need to consider the best road positioning for being seen from any potential traffic (1-3, 1 for right turning traffic, 3 for left turning). Probably covering our brakes as we approach an intersection, maybe going even slower than 45, try 35?

Some people say that your helmet is the most visible part of a motorcyclist in traffic, maybe attach a strobe light. With the festive season well underway we should easily find some christmas lights to adorn our bikes with as well. (I'm being sarcastic, NEVER assume we're seen).

[Ulsterkiwi]

I believe the chances of avoiding the crash would have been far greater if you had been riding a taller bike for the simple reason they give you better perifial vision. If you are tall enough demo an adventure bike and ride exactly the same route and if you feel instantly safer you will know the problem is with your bike. No need to put any more money into further riding school training then. I have demoed a crusier myself and was well aware the lower ground clearance could present a danger but they do have a neat look about them though.

Only the arrogant or the truly stupid assert there is nothing more to be learned, which are you? Its seems pretty obvious that the OP is reflecting on what happened and what they can learn from a nasty but thankfully recoverable incident. The lessons are more about what they could have done differently than what bike they were riding. Having a different machine is not in and of itself going to change the use of that machine. The change simply offers different behavioural options not a guarantee of their use.

Exactly what money needs to be put into riding school that presents such a barrier? A Ride Forever Gold course costs $50 for a full day of instruction. Compared to the cost of running a motorcycle that is pocket change. Even paying an instructor $75 an hour for one on one training seems pretty inexpensive to me against the costs of owning and maintaining a motorcycle.

Inevitably things go wrong, a question of when not if, so a more useful measure is how we respond to what management loves to call "adverse events". It is to the OP's credit that they acknowledge something needs to change in how they responded to the incident. That infers an openness to the idea he has some responsibility and doesn't look for something or someone (or dog) to blame.

[bogan]

Poster 1 has said he can not ride a tall bike as he is not tall enough for them but unlike you he did not rubbish my suggestion. The higher you are on the road the better your peripheral vision is on anything whether that be a tall bike or a big rig which in my opinion gives you a safety advantage whether you have been to a riding school or not. Poster 1 said he had already been to riding schools and sounded like a careful rider rather than a guy who had come to grief while riding under pressure to keep up on a group ride. Shit can happen no matter how many riding schools you have been to.

And I bet it the cab's fare was one of those motherfucking dogs again, right. Unavoidable, eh sport!

[Ulsterkiwi]

Poster 1 has said he can not ride a tall bike as he is not tall enough for them but unlike you he did not rubbish my suggestion. The higher you are on the road the better your peripheral vision is on anything whether that be a tall bike or a big rig which in my opinion gives you a safety advantage whether you have been to a riding school or not. Poster 1 said he had already been to riding schools and sounded like a careful rider rather than a guy who had come to grief while riding under pressure to keep up on a group ride. Shit can happen no matter how many riding schools you have been to.

I did not rubbish the suggestion of a taller bike. I said riding a taller bike does not make the rider safer, it provides different abilities. Peripheral vision will not be made better by being higher up. Peripheral vision is determined by an individual's unique anatomy and physiology. An elevated position will change what that individual's peripheral vision is potentially able to detect, not that they will detect it.

What I actually questioned was your assertion that there was no need to spend money on riding school. Exactly what evidence have you to support the notion that education and training are NOT beneficial?

If you had actually read what I written you would have seen that I too asserted things will inevitably go wrong. At no point did I state taking instruction would guarantee a rider could be incident free. Did you even stop for one minute to consider that the OP's reflections were happening because they had attended rider training courses?

And how, pray tell, did group riding enter into this conversation? Your limited record collection must be all but worn out by now.

[PrincessBandit]

?... Poster 1 said he had already been to riding schools and sounded like a careful rider rather than a guy who had come to grief while riding under pressure to keep up on a group ride....

Goodness, I was wondering how long it was going to take for that ole chestnut to come up. I was silently congratulating you for your restraint, but alas it did not last.

[nzspokes]

In relation to the actual accident that poster one had I meant that getting a taller bike over going to a riding school would have been more beneficial but only in relation to that actual accident. Tell me how does a riding school teach you to see over the top of a 4WD which I think poster one said prevented him from seeing the taxi sooner? We will have to agree to disagree on any merit of sitting up higher gives you in terms of peripheral vision. The issue is a moot point anyway as poster one said he is not "Tall Enough" for a tall bike plus has also been to riding schools but maybe just not the right one perhaps according to you. I have ridden in similar lanes myself and am fully aware of the risk of right turning traffic between stopped cars in the next lane and keep an eye out for them. I did not have to go to a riding school to learn that. Having a tall bike despite what you say gives me a safety advantage. Maybe you need to go for a ride on a tall bike on such a road as it may surprise you the better view and safety you will get from it.

Hey Retard, ever think that 4x4 had windows?

[bogan]

Having a tall bike despite what you say gives me a safety advantage. Maybe you need to go for a ride on a tall bike on such a road as it may surprise you the better view and safety you will get from it.

They do have longer stopping distances though.

Nor can I think of any tall bikes tall enough to see over a 4wd on (not to mention vans, trucks, etc), 4wds generally being taller than one's standing height, and one's standing height generally being taller than one's practicable riding height (on account of the foot downy bits).

It's almost like the ability to know the limitations of what you can see, and ride accordingly, is a more practical option that saying; if only one's steed was higher, one could get the best perspective of all :innocent:

[Ulsterkiwi]

In relation to the actual accident that poster one had I meant that getting a taller bike over going to a riding school would have been more beneficial but only in relation to that actual accident. Tell me how does a riding school teach you to see over the top of a 4WD which I think poster one said prevented him from seeing the taxi sooner? We will have to agree to disagree on any merit of sitting up higher gives you in terms of peripheral vision. The issue is a moot point anyway as poster one said he is not "Tall Enough" for a tall bike plus has also been to riding schools but mybe just not the right one perhaps according to you. I have ridden in similar lanes myself and am fully aware of the risk of right turning traffic between stopped cars in the next lane and keep an eye out for them. I did not have to go to a riding school to learn that. Having a tall bike despite what you say gives me a safety advantage. Maybe you need to go for a ride on a tall bike on such a road as it may surprise you the better view and safety you will get from it.


Ok, I will give it one more go.

A taller bike will only help if you use the options it provides you with. The OP is not able to take advantage of those so your suggestion is moot as you said.

Again, I am saying a taller bike COULD help, it is not accurate to say that it WILL

Riding school is not about telling you taller bikes change your view. Riding school is about getting you to think about how you ride the bike you have.

One question I would ask the OP is: what was your road position just before the incident happened? Was that position the best to maximise how visible he was to other road users that might present a hazard to him? That is one way to obviate the problem of not being able to see over a 4WD.

He stated he had already slowed down, thats good, it means he was thinking about what was going on around him. What might have helped in this situation was more thinking about what he could do to make himself safer.
Note I said "safer" not "safe" because there is always risk and always a possibility things will go wrong no matter what. Taking a rider education course is an effective way of learning how to mediate for risk, not remove it.

I ride an adventure tourer by the way, about as tall as they come.

[Ulsterkiwi]

.... as a result I rest my case. ......


....Without any further details I can only assume it was a case of riding under pressure to keep up. ......

both timely reminders that if someone is counting on you to make a cogent argument based on actual facts to keep them from the death sentence, the future is not looking too bright.

[onearmedbandit]

BTW there was a news report a few days ago of a guy having a crash with a car going in the opposite direction on a group ride. Without any further details I can only assume it was a case of riding under pressure to keep up. It would certainly be worthwhile for the NZTA to run a safety campagin about the danger of group rides and the pressure to keep up but if the group riding posters on here are anything to go by they would just ignore it anyway.

Oh. My. Fucking. God.

You are right though, you can only assume. Could've however been any number of situations that caused that riders accident. Did that ever cross your mind? Actually, you don't need to answer, it is obvious it didn't.

[5ive]

I dont think from what poster one has said right from the start he is a careless rider but with some of the responses he has got I sort of felt some were putting him into the same boat as pressurised overtaking group riders for failing to see the taxi sooner.

BTW there was a news report a few days ago of a guy having a crash with a car going in the opposite direction on a group ride. Without any further details I can only assume it was a case of riding under pressure to keep up. It would certainly be worthwhile for the NZTA to run a safety campagin about the danger of group rides and the pressure to keep up but if the group riding posters on here are anything to go by they would just ignore it anyway.

A single rider by himself has an off, and you're talking about group riding again...

http://images.mentalfloss.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_640x430/public/dumb_lead.jpg

I just got back from a group ride, and no one died or had an accident.

Off to buy a lotto ticket.

[onearmedbandit]

If its not likely to be riding under pressure to keep up explain how a rider can have a crash with a car going the other way? If it had been the car driver crossing onto the other side of the road they would have taken out more than one bike.

Assumptions again huh. You seem to live your life by them. A 'group' ride doesn't necessitate that all or any of the riders are in a tight bunch, so it is completely possible that the car (if it had crossed the centre line) took out a single bike. Maybe the rider had a mechanical issue. An acute medical issue. Maybe was distracted by something. Maybe took a different line and hit some gravel on the road. Maybe was just riding outside their skill level without feeling the pressure to keep up. Maybe had a bee fly in their helmet. Maybe maybe maybe. So many maybe's but they don't exist to you. It simply must be pressure to keep up. Hey maybe they had read some of your posts and were so bewildered by your apparent narrow perspective they had a laughing fit and lost control. Maybe you were to blame for this riders accident. Hope you can sleep well.

[caseye]

Assumptions again huh. You seem to live your life by them. A 'group' ride doesn't necessitate that all or any of the riders are in a tight bunch, so it is completely possible that the car (if it had crossed the centre line) took out a single bike. Maybe the rider had a mechanical issue. An acute medical issue. Maybe was distracted by something. Maybe took a different line and hit some gravel on the road. Maybe was just riding outside their skill level without feeling the pressure to keep up. Maybe had a bee fly in their helmet. Maybe maybe maybe. So many maybe's but they don't exist to you. It simply must be pressure to keep up. Hey maybe they had read some of your posts and were so bewildered by your apparent narrow perspective they had a laughing fit and lost control. Maybe you were to blame for this riders accident. Hope you can sleep well.

I just want her/him IT! to shut the fuck up about shit they OBVIOUSLY know nothing about.
Please no one else encourage this dangerous as fuck idiot to be listened to by any poor newbie coming here.
Seriously, was it my call this poster would be gorn for good as a bad example of how not to win friends and influence people.
Old Steve, I'm 100% certain you did what you knew to do and thoght to do before you got tagged, I'm also 100% certain that your only reason for posting your fate was so that others cold talk it over and thrash out what might have been able to be done differently.
I''m glad you posted, I'm glad OL Katman's message is still relevant, I'm bloody angry this jerk is getting any airtime at all, is there actually anyone out there in this thread that rides a bike high/tall enough to see over a real SUV?
Do any of you actually thknk that could possibly have made a difference to the outcome of OS's off?
We all of us should, ride our own ride, we should all know the limitations of THE bike WE ride, if we don't we're already behind the eightball and might as well simply keep doing the same thing over and over again like cassina in the hope something happens differently.

[Maha]

I dont think from what poster one has said right from the start he is a careless rider but with some of the responses he has got I sort of felt some were putting him into the same boat as pressurised overtaking group riders for failing to see the taxi sooner.

BTW there was a news report a few days ago of a guy having a crash with a car going in the opposite direction on a group ride. Without any further details I can only assume it was a case of riding under pressure to keep up. It would certainly be worthwhile for the NZTA to run a safety campagin about the danger of group rides and the pressure to keep up but if the group riding posters on here are anything to go by they would just ignore it anyway.

Boats/Motorcycles and Taxi's...Sounds like a good movie title.

[Akzle]

I dont think...
...(Without any further details) I can only assume...

this pretty much sums you up.


i pray your next collision is your last, if only to spare the internets your torrential horseshit.

[Akzle]

And vise versa.

funny. cos of the not-8 collisions i've had, a genuine 0 i've been at fault.

no dogs were harmed in the making of this i'm-better-than-you fact.

[Old Steve]

I haven't got the energy to keep up with this post, I'm sorry I started it.

Some interesting points have been brought up, Katman was the first to ask what my lane position was.

Normally I ride down the T3 lane in the LH wheel track on the basis that I am further away and have infintesimally longer to react to a car in the centre lane who suddenly wants to change to the T3 lane and can't be bothered either looking over their left shoulder or indicting.

At intersections I either stay where I am if there are no cars waiting to come out of the intersection or fade to the right of the lane if there are cars there and the centre lane completely blocks the intersection (no-exit side streets don't have 'keep clear' markings), again giving myself that nanosecond extra to react to the car which thinks they'll just pop out of the side street and cruise down the T3 lane a while.

In the case on Monday, I thought I had hazards on both my left (cars waiting to exit the side street) and the right (cars which might change lanes into the T3 lane or cross into the side street from the other way). I had therefore eased into the centre of the lane to give myself the maximum distance from both sides - the road was dry so I discounted any likely problem with the centre strip being oily. I had eased off the throttle and rear braked to bring my speed down, I was watching the road not my speedo but I know I'd slowed from 55 which I'd checked further up the road, and knowing my bike estimate that I was doing 40 to 45.

I cannot ride a taller bike. Well, I could, and have ridden a Honda ST1100 and a Triumph ST, but in both cases (and I rode the ST1100 for three years) I was extremely uncomfortable about my ability to stop the bike and balance it with only the balls of my feet contacting the ground. I found the discomfort about any likely stop ahead was distracting and that, when riding, knowing I would be able to put my feet securely on the ground allows me to concentrate on paying attention to my surroundings. Yes, being a little lower on a cruiser could have contributed to my off, but I was on a cruiser by choice and that's not something that could have or will change.

Please feel free to bicker and snarl at each other, I've had enough and won't be posting regularly again.

I hope someone learns something from my thread

[Akzle]

I hope someone learns something from my thread

i hope it's you

[Akzle]

I learnt a long time ago not to post on here about accidents you have that are no fault of your own as I got no sympathy myself. At the time i suggested a taller bike I did not know you are not tall yourself and even the tall bike I ride I would not mind if it was a bit lower. All the best.

pretty sure "being an ignorant moron" is pretty much your fault, past the age of about 14...

[nzspokes]

I learnt a long time ago not to post on here about accidents you have that are no fault of your own as I got no sympathy myself. At the time i suggested a taller bike I did not know you are not tall yourself and even the tall bike I ride I would not mind if it was a bit lower. All the best.

As Im somebody thats involved in dog rescue, you should not be anywhere near the road on anything bigger than a BMX.

Think of the poor dogs you keep hitting.

[Katman]

Just keep your mutt on a lead muppet and it will be safe from being hit on the road. Sadly not all dog owners are that sensible and end up paying the price with the death of their dogs and cats on the road.

I agree entirely.

Anyone who doesn't keep a dog under strict control near a road (especially a dog who has a penchant for chasing cats, other dogs or motorbikes) is no better than the parent who allows their toddler to play unsupervised in a driveway.

[Akzle]

Just keep your mutt on a lead muppet and it will be safe from being hit on the road. Sadly not all dog owners are that sensible and end up paying the price with the death of their dogs and cats on the road.

solid advice.

whose mutt are you? i'll put it to them.

[swbarnett]

Just keep your mutt on a lead muppet and it will be safe from being hit on the road. Sadly not all dog owners are that sensible and end up paying the price with the death of their dogs and cats on the road.
You don't honestly expect us cat people to put them on a lead???? Just when I thought you couldn't get any more retarded!!! Any cat person knows that no-one owns a cat. They honour us with the privilege of becoming part of our family.

[Akzle]

You don't honestly expect us cat people to put them on a lead???? Just when I thought you couldn't get any more retarded!!! Any cat person knows that no-one owns a cat. They honour us with the privilege of becoming part of our family.

...and i shoot them if they're on my property, or actively run them over on the road.
if you cant look after or control "your" animal, you don't deserve it.

[nzspokes]

Just keep your mutt on a lead muppet and it will be safe from being hit on the road. Sadly not all dog owners are that sensible and end up paying the price with the death of their dogs and cats on the road.

Have you hit one of my dogs champ? Or just random ones you see?

Or do you just hate dogs?

[swbarnett]

...and i shoot them if they're on my property, or actively run them over on the road.
if you cant look after or control "your" animal, you don't deserve it.
As I said. "My" cat is not my animal. she is free to come and go as she pleases. As is any other member of my family.

[nzspokes]

I have only intentionally wanted to kill a dog once and that was when I saw it attacking a smaller dog. In that instance the owner pulled it off in time. As for the dogs on the road they are the reponsibility of the owner to keep them on a leash if they dont want them hit. Simple as I would have thought.

You actually wanted to kill a dog?

[Akzle]

As I said. "My" cat is not my animal. she is free to come and go as she pleases. As is any other member of my family.

then i'm free to shoot it...

[swbarnett]

then i'm free to shoot it...
Only as free as you are to shoot any other member of my family.

[onearmedbandit]

Feck how many topics can this thread cover? It's sheer brilliance.

[Akzle]

Only as free as you are to shoot any other member of my family.

incorrect. pest animals must be controlled.


but, if any other member of your "family" was tresspassing and hunting on my land without permission..

[Akzle]

Feck how many topics can this thread cover? It's sheer brilliance.

you new here or something?

the OP is only ever a polite suggestion.

[Luckylegs]

you new here or something?

the OP is only ever a polite suggestion.

Or as the Marmite Jar (Actually... did that really happen or did even old people have urban legends) might have said... "A new starter for ten"

[husaberg]

incorrect. pest animals must be controlled.


but, if any other member of your "family" was tresspassing and hunting on my land without permission..

Your land....... are you actually claiming ownership of some land now.:nya:
Because that would be funny

[swbarnett]

incorrect. pest animals must be controlled.
"Pest" is a very relative term. One's pest is family to another. I do understand that.


but, if any other member of your "family" was tresspassing and hunting on my land without permission..
You still don't have the right to shoot them (legally or otherwise). Use of reasonable force to detain and remove from your property only.

[Akzle]

You still don't have the right to shoot them (legally or otherwise). Use of reasonable force to detain and remove from your property only.

i do wonder about this "otherwise", cos i'd say in this otherwise-land, i've got the right to do whatever the fuck i want.

(and also, legally, i do. if your cat-family can't read the sign, it aint my problem)

[jasonu]

I haven't got the energy to keep up with this post, I'm sorry I started it.

Some interesting points have been brought up, Katman was the first to ask what my lane position was.

Normally I ride down the T3 lane in the LH wheel track on the basis that I am further away and have infintesimally longer to react to a car in the centre lane who suddenly wants to change to the T3 lane and can't be bothered either looking over their left shoulder or indicting.

At intersections I either stay where I am if there are no cars waiting to come out of the intersection or fade to the right of the lane if there are cars there and the centre lane completely blocks the intersection (no-exit side streets don't have 'keep clear' markings), again giving myself that nanosecond extra to react to the car which thinks they'll just pop out of the side street and cruise down the T3 lane a while.

In the case on Monday, I thought I had hazards on both my left (cars waiting to exit the side street) and the right (cars which might change lanes into the T3 lane or cross into the side street from the other way). I had therefore eased into the centre of the lane to give myself the maximum distance from both sides - the road was dry so I discounted any likely problem with the centre strip being oily. I had eased off the throttle and rear braked to bring my speed down, I was watching the road not my speedo but I know I'd slowed from 55 which I'd checked further up the road, and knowing my bike estimate that I was doing 40 to 45.

I cannot ride a taller bike. Well, I could, and have ridden a Honda ST1100 and a Triumph ST, but in both cases (and I rode the ST1100 for three years) I was extremely uncomfortable about my ability to stop the bike and balance it with only the balls of my feet contacting the ground. I found the discomfort about any likely stop ahead was distracting and that, when riding, knowing I would be able to put my feet securely on the ground allows me to concentrate on paying attention to my surroundings. Yes, being a little lower on a cruiser could have contributed to my off, but I was on a cruiser by choice and that's not something that could have or will change.

Please feel free to bicker and snarl at each other, I've had enough and won't be posting regularly again.

I hope someone learns something from my thread

Did you or the pigs ever catch up with the taxi driver?

[jasonu]

I learnt a long time ago not to post on here about accidents you have that are no fault of your own as I got no sympathy myself. At the time i suggested a taller bike I did not know you are not tall yourself and even the tall bike I ride I would not mind if it was a bit lower. All the best.

No, you get flayed every time you post because you are a stupid cunt with warped and retarded ideas.

[Maha]

Your land....... are you actually claiming ownership of some land now.:nya:
Because that would be funny

It's only 8sqm but it's basically made up of metal and rubber.

[jasonu]

It's only 8sqm but it's basically made up of metal and rubber.

This one.....

[swbarnett]

i do wonder about this "otherwise", cos i'd say in this otherwise-land, i've got the right to do whatever the fuck i want.
"otherwise" meaning any decent moral code that you or I may try to live by. If people with varying views are to co-exist in close proximity we can't go around shooting people just because they happen to be somewhere that we don't want them.


(and also, legally, i do. if your cat-family can't read the sign, it aint my problem)
I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure that you don't have the legal right in NZ to shoot trespassers.

[Moi]

Last Post

I haven't got the energy to keep up with this post, I'm sorry I started it...

I hope someone learns something from my thread

Thank you for posting - what you said has made others think about what they are doing when riding. They might not have said that, too much "noise" getting in the way, but they have thought about what you did and what they might do in a similar situation - I have certainly thought about it and considered what I'd have done and what I'll practise with the intention of avoiding such happening: learning from others' mistakes and misfortune...

All the best for a speedy recovery.

I'm presuming you're not intending to post on this particular thread again - that I can understand.

[Akzle]

"otherwise" meaning any decent moral code that you or I may try to live by. If people with varying views are to co-exist in close proximity we can't go around shooting people just because they happen to be somewhere that we don't want them.


I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure that you don't have the legal right in NZ to shoot trespassers.

i dont want to live in close proximity to any cunt. hence i don't, but even when i do, i'll shoot your cat if it's on any property i'm lawfully on. it is illegal to release pest animals.

most persons don't, but i can assure you, i do.

[Maha]

This one.....

Is that guy wearing a gimp suit?

[caspernz]

I haven't got the energy to keep up with this post, I'm sorry I started it.

Some interesting points have been brought up, Katman was the first to ask what my lane position was.

Normally I ride down the T3 lane in the LH wheel track on the basis that I am further away and have infintesimally longer to react to a car in the centre lane who suddenly wants to change to the T3 lane and can't be bothered either looking over their left shoulder or indicting.

At intersections I either stay where I am if there are no cars waiting to come out of the intersection or fade to the right of the lane if there are cars there and the centre lane completely blocks the intersection (no-exit side streets don't have 'keep clear' markings), again giving myself that nanosecond extra to react to the car which thinks they'll just pop out of the side street and cruise down the T3 lane a while.

In the case on Monday, I thought I had hazards on both my left (cars waiting to exit the side street) and the right (cars which might change lanes into the T3 lane or cross into the side street from the other way). I had therefore eased into the centre of the lane to give myself the maximum distance from both sides - the road was dry so I discounted any likely problem with the centre strip being oily. I had eased off the throttle and rear braked to bring my speed down, I was watching the road not my speedo but I know I'd slowed from 55 which I'd checked further up the road, and knowing my bike estimate that I was doing 40 to 45.

I cannot ride a taller bike. Well, I could, and have ridden a Honda ST1100 and a Triumph ST, but in both cases (and I rode the ST1100 for three years) I was extremely uncomfortable about my ability to stop the bike and balance it with only the balls of my feet contacting the ground. I found the discomfort about any likely stop ahead was distracting and that, when riding, knowing I would be able to put my feet securely on the ground allows me to concentrate on paying attention to my surroundings. Yes, being a little lower on a cruiser could have contributed to my off, but I was on a cruiser by choice and that's not something that could have or will change.

Please feel free to bicker and snarl at each other, I've had enough and won't be posting regularly again.

I hope someone learns something from my thread

Sad to see, but not surprised, this thread deviate from the topic. Brave of you to lay it all out for the combined audience of KB to offer criticism and/or ridicule. Hope you heal up well and soon!

[Maha]

i dont want to live in close proximity to any cunt.

Correct me if I am wrong, but you do live in close proximity to one, the cramped conditions can't be helped.

[old slider]

Glad you are still amongst us Old Steve, your post like others I have read give me and others an opportunity to hopefully become more aware, thus increasing our survival chances, being forewarned, is as they say, forearmed, any prior knowledge of the hazards or problems with motorcycling is great for us who are not so skilled as many others on here.

[trufflebutter]

I doubt anyone reading such a post will alter their riding style and habit, especially questionable styles or habits. One can only hope that any new rider who glances over such a posts/threads, will bypass the bullshit juvenile time wasting chest beaters that regularly creep into threads at times.

Riding in severely heavy traffic at peak times musters up a whole different degree of vigilance than that of any given country road.
Good posts Old Steve, glad you're okay :niceone: Bike damage is nothing, body damage can be insurmountable.

[Doppleganger]

Wish you a speedy recovery mate.
No need to listen to the twats on here that know everything from your name sake up.

[eldog]

This post reminded me of the use of checking off possible hazards esp while in traffic.
All too often lately, I have found that I have become complacent in my riding.

All too trusting in my ability to judge events and being able to respond.


When I first read the OP I imagined his position to be exactly how he described it in a later post.

I have appreciated the 'heads up' call for myself.
Its actually one of the reasons I do the occasional group ride.
To stop bad habits forming.

Thanks Old Steve :headbang:

[release_the_bees]

This post reminded me of the use of checking off possible hazards esp while in traffic.
All too often lately, I have found that I have become complacent in my riding..

Likewise. As somebody who rides daily on the road where the accident occurred, this thread has served as a timely wake up call.



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[old slider]

This post reminded me of the use of checking off possible hazards esp while in traffic.
All too often lately, I have found that I have become complacent in my riding.

All too trusting in my ability to judge events and being able to respond.


When I first read the OP I imagined his position to be exactly how he described it in a later post.

I have appreciated the 'heads up' call for myself.
Its actually one of the reasons I do the occasional group ride.
To stop bad habits forming.

Thanks Old Steve :headbang:


Maybe my safe following distance on a 50km two lane road, (the main street of Town) was too much for the twat who pushed me to the left as they passed into oncoming traffic at the same time as we were crossing a controlled intersection then braked hard suddenly in front of me to make a right hand turn. Maybe one of those chains that you can swing at an idiots vehicle to wake them up is the way to go.

[eldog]

Maybe my safe following distance on a 50km two lane road, (the main street of Town) was too much for the twat who pushed me to the left as they passed into oncoming traffic at the same time as we were crossing a controlled intersection then braked hard suddenly in front of me to make a right hand turn. Maybe one of those chains that you can swing at an idiots vehicle to wake them up is the way to go.

Obviously they were under a great deal of peer pressure to keep up with the rest of the group.:scratch:

Your better off avoiding those knumb nuts

[Akzle]

Maybe my safe following distance on a 50km two lane road, (the main street of Town) was too much for the twat who pushed me to the left as they passed into oncoming traffic at the same time as we were crossing a controlled intersection then braked hard suddenly in front of me to make a right hand turn. Maybe one of those chains that you can swing at an idiots vehicle to wake them up is the way to go.

something to do with "sizing up your opponents"... 2Tonnes of metal and plastic vs your squishy carcass...

[Ulsterkiwi]

I haven't got the energy to keep up with this post, I'm sorry I started it.

Some interesting points have been brought up, Katman was the first to ask what my lane position was.

Normally I ride down the T3 lane in the LH wheel track on the basis that I am further away and have infintesimally longer to react to a car in the centre lane who suddenly wants to change to the T3 lane and can't be bothered either looking over their left shoulder or indicting.

At intersections I either stay where I am if there are no cars waiting to come out of the intersection or fade to the right of the lane if there are cars there and the centre lane completely blocks the intersection (no-exit side streets don't have 'keep clear' markings), again giving myself that nanosecond extra to react to the car which thinks they'll just pop out of the side street and cruise down the T3 lane a while.

In the case on Monday, I thought I had hazards on both my left (cars waiting to exit the side street) and the right (cars which might change lanes into the T3 lane or cross into the side street from the other way). I had therefore eased into the centre of the lane to give myself the maximum distance from both sides - the road was dry so I discounted any likely problem with the centre strip being oily. I had eased off the throttle and rear braked to bring my speed down, I was watching the road not my speedo but I know I'd slowed from 55 which I'd checked further up the road, and knowing my bike estimate that I was doing 40 to 45.

I cannot ride a taller bike. Well, I could, and have ridden a Honda ST1100 and a Triumph ST, but in both cases (and I rode the ST1100 for three years) I was extremely uncomfortable about my ability to stop the bike and balance it with only the balls of my feet contacting the ground. I found the discomfort about any likely stop ahead was distracting and that, when riding, knowing I would be able to put my feet securely on the ground allows me to concentrate on paying attention to my surroundings. Yes, being a little lower on a cruiser could have contributed to my off, but I was on a cruiser by choice and that's not something that could have or will change.

Please feel free to bicker and snarl at each other, I've had enough and won't be posting regularly again.

I hope someone learns something from my thread

apologies if my posts deviated from the intent of your thread. With the caveat that I am not referring to any of your comments, sometimes I cannot ignore stupidity and misinformation being promoted.

Your reflections on what happened challenged me to think about what I would do in your situation, so thank you. Hope you have a speedy recovery.

[old slider]

something to do with "sizing up your opponents"... 2Tonnes of metal and plastic vs your squishy carcass...


Yep, your dead right there Akzle,

Lunchtime traffic I was following a few cars up our busy main street, I stuck to the right hand wheel track and had the car in fronts drivers eyes clearly visible in his rear mirror, I left a good couple of car lengths between us seeing the speed was around between 20-30kmh. A line of traffic was following me so I was keeping one eye on my mirrors, the traffic lights changed to amber as I was a quarter way across and phuck me the car behind feed it the fat and sliced past me as I quickly moved to the left hoping to avoid losing my elbow on his passenger side mirror or worse. I thought Phuckwit etc, 40 mts ahead he slammed on his brakes obviously suddenly deciding to take the road on the right once the oncoming traffic had gone, my phuckwit opinion changed. luckily for me or possibly him I was unable to stop and express my displeasure at his driving.

[Akzle]

Yep, your dead right there Akzle,


are you tryna' make it into my signature?? :o:eek: it's pretty full.... i'd have to kick someone off...

[old slider]

are you tryna' make it into my signature?? :o:eek: it's pretty full.... i'd have to kick someone off...


Sorry that took me awhile to figure out, lol

I had no idea what you meant, then it clicked after staring at your post for a few minutes. (I have never admitted to being bright)

I imagine you have the best people there, "some more than once", I am still no closer to figure out who really hates who, and who is pretending to.

[Akzle]

Sorry that took me awhile to figure out, lol

I had no idea what you meant, then it clicked after staring at your post for a few minutes. (I have never admitted to being bright)

I imagine you have the best people there, "some more than once", I am still no closer to figure out who really hates who, and who is pretending to.

i dont hate anyone. this is the internets and is not serious.

i certainly wouldn't go wasting my real-life time with my kb fanclub though.

-edits (cos after a box of cody's and giving my mitti a good hiding, it wasn't apparent from what i typed)-

cos they take this shit WAY too srsly.

[old slider]

i dont hate anyone. this is the internets and is not serious.

i certainly wouldn't go wasting my real-life time with my kb fanclub though.



Lol, argh Gummon mate, ewes saying lots this stuff knot for reel.

[caseye]

She is! Terrible ain't it?

[old slider]

Anyone heard how Old Steve is doing recuperating from his surgery?

[Old Steve]

Three weeks later and I went back to work yeasterday, ACC are paying for me to taxi to and from work, bike is still at the shop - probably parts won't be here before Xmas, but I won't be riding until later in the New Year anyway.

My shoulder is still delicate, I can raise the forearm up to the horizontal. Bruises and ribs have cleared up, still got some shopping to do for replacement gear (Youi paid out $500 for replacement gear) but don't feel like trying jackets and pants on at the moment.

I do know that I'm getting a 'voucher' for a ProRider Gold course for Xmas from my wife. In fact I believe if the bike had been written off then I would have been under a lot of pressure not to get another one. The shop can't replace the exact model topbox I had fitted so have asked me for my favoured GIVI top box model, don't know what GIVI has in stock but I asked for the TRK52 (52L Trekker topbox)

Finally, the Police have located the Taxi driver and have scheduled a 'discussion' with him this Thursday as they want to hear his view of the incident. They already have two witnesses who gave statements, plus my own statement. At least I should get the Taxi company insurance company's name so I'll get me excess paid by someone else.

I tried getting ACC to advise what accident type my accident had been classified as in their statistics - was it a single vehicle accident as only one vehicle was damaged or was it a multiple vehicle accident as the Taxi caused the accident? But they could not/would not advise me. I might write and ask for their classification as I have a strong feeling that because of the nature of motorcycle accidents where a bike may go down avoiding another vehicle, and yet not actually hit the other vehicle, that this type of accident is likely to be classified as a single vehicle accident.

Could have been worse, and I'll be even more careful and slow down even more at that sort of intersection.

[Luckylegs]

Three weeks later and I went back to work yeasterday, ACC are paying for me to taxi to and from work, bike is still at the shop - probably parts won't be here before Xmas, but I won't be riding until later in the New Year anyway.

My shoulder is still delicate, I can raise the forearm up to the horizontal. Bruises and ribs have cleared up...

Firstly, glad things are on the mend. I do have to laugh at the irony of you now using a taxi.

I will say, i might go against the grain of this site, but im not convinced it should be recorded as a multi vehicle accident. There were not two vehicles involved. The way the accident played out is unique to motorcycles and unfortunately does show the inherent danger and unique situations we find ourselves in. These accidents happen daily between cars and no-one gets injured, or need tax payers to taxi them to work, cos they become minor fender benders

...fire retardant underwear on and ready for for what may come.

And to finish... still glad your on the mend and will be back on the bike at some point. Take care. At least you have an excuse to do sweet fuck all over chrissie.

[pritch]

I do have to laugh at the irony of you now using a taxi.



That had eluded me, but now that you mention it. :yes:

I hope Steve can bend his drinking arm sufficiently now.

[Luckylegs]

That had eluded me, but now that you mention it. :yes:

I hope Steve can bend his drinking arm sufficiently now.

Thats what funnels and friends are for

[Katman]

I will say, i might go against the grain of this site, but im not convinced it should be recorded as a multi vehicle accident. There were not two vehicles involved. The way the accident played out is unique to motorcycles and unfortunately does show the inherent danger and unique situations we find ourselves in. These accidents happen daily between cars and no-one gets injured, or need tax payers to taxi them to work, cos they become minor fender benders

I'd go even further and suggest that repeatedly stating that it was the taxi drivers fault shows that very little has been learned.

[Luckylegs]

Two vehicles do not have to crash for a multivehicle accident to occur as in the case of boy racing the driver of the car that did not crash can be charged too.

Being charged of a traffic offence and being included in a crash statistic are different things. Do you know that an accident resulting from two cars racing will be recorded as multi vehicle accident. I some how doubt it. Would you expect a police chase where the chassee simply runs out of talent and doesnt make a corner to be recorded as a multivehicle accident.

[Luckylegs]

Two vehicles do not have to crash for a multivehicle accident to occur as in the case of boy racing the driver of the car that did not crash can be charged too.


Being charged of a traffic offence and being included in a crash statistic are different things. Do you know that an accident resulting from two cars racing will be recorded as multi vehicle accident. I some how doubt it. Would you expect a police chase where the chassee simply runs out of talent and doesnt make a corner to be recorded as a multivehicle accident.

Oh, oh...oh - maybe all accidents on group rides should be multi vehicle accidents???

[Old Steve]

I hope Steve can bend his drinking arm sufficiently now.

Sufficiently ambidextrous, and able to drink left handed, so that the festive season will be unaffected.

Katman, I'm not saying and don't think I've said that the Taxi driver was completely to blame. I will in future slow down at such intersections even more than I did in this instance, and depending on traffic in the side street I may ride further to the left of the lane and not come out into the centre of the lane. But I contend that the Taxi driver was a definite contribution to the accident, without the taxi being there I would have had no need to take avaoiding action and my bike wouldn't have slid out from under me. What the Police surely want to discuss with him though is why he left the accident site without making sure of any injuries and offering aid, I think that is a legal requirement.

I've been back to the intersection and now know why I low sided. The camber of the side road intrudes out into the main road where the camber of the main road is lower, it comes almost 1/4 of the way across the inside (T3) lane from the left. As I tried to steer around the front of the taxi, while still turning/leaning left, my bike rose up on the start of the side road camber - I remember feeling the bike rise and thinking that I was going to high side - and that must have reduced the traction enough that the bike low sided. That the bike and I slid in front of the taxi shows that I would have cleared it if the bike hadn't low sided (or if you like, I hadn't low sided the bike).

[swbarnett]

I'd go even further and suggest that repeatedly stating that it was the taxi drivers fault shows that very little has been learned.
I put it to you that a lot has been learned. Certainly Steve's post show a very good post accident attiude as far as I can tell.

Yes, the rider is ultimately responsible for their own safety. But that doesn't mean that another party to an accident can't be held legally cupable. In this case the taxi, in legal terms, initiated the chain of events that lead to the accident.

[Katman]

In this case the taxi, in legal terms, initiated the chain of events that lead to the accident.

You can talk in legal terms all you like.

But to miss such a glaringly obvious hazard as the gap in the traffic as described in the original post, indicates a level of culpability equal to the taxi driver thinking he could take advantage of the gap.

[trufflebutter]

I put it to you that a lot has been learned. Certainly Steve's post show a very good post accident attiude as far as I can tell.

Yes, the rider is ultimately responsible for their own safety. But that doesn't mean that another party to an accident can't be held legally cupable. In this case the taxi, in legal terms, initiated the chain of events that lead to the accident.

I would suggest that (and considering his previous posts in this thread) his repeated point of interest is purely a conceited attempt to bolster an ailing argument with himself.

[pritch]

I'd go even further and suggest that repeatedly stating that it was the taxi drivers fault shows that very little has been learned.

But of course you have zero justification to say that, because you didn't witness the accident so you really don't know precisely what happened.

For the record, I too thought the OP demonstrated a good attitude and his report has caused people to be aware of the possibility of such a thing happening to them. Well, those of us who don't consider we know everything there is to know already?

[swbarnett]

You can talk in legal terms all you like.

But to miss such a glaringly obvious hazard as the gap in the traffic as described in the original post, indicates a level of culpability equal to the taxi driver thinking he could take advantage of the gap.
I think you've missed the difference between legal culpability and personal responsibility. I take full responsibility for my own hide. If this happened to me I'd be kicking myself for not seeing the danger early enough to mitigate it. At the same time I would hold the other party fully culpable for any and all damages - as would the law as I understand it.

The fact of the matter is that the taxi driver broke the law - Steve didn't.

[swbarnett]

I would suggest that (and considering his previous posts in this thread) his repeated point of interest is purely a conceited attempt to bolster an ailing argument with himself.
What I got from his posts was that, yes, he blames the taxi driver for the accident (as do I based on what I know of the situation). BUT, he also accepts that there were things he could've done to mitigate the taxi driver's blatant diregard for his obligations under the law and prevent an actual accident occurring.

[Katman]

I think you've missed the difference between legal culpability and personal responsibility.

You're the one talking in legal terms.

Culpability extends beyond what's simply 'legal'.

[nzspokes]

You're the one talking in legal terms.

Culpability extends beyond what's simply 'legal'.
How many times have you lost your license?

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[Moi]

Good news Old Steve...

thanks for the update.

At least your drinking of festive cheer will not be curtailed by a sore shoulder... :drinknsin



As for no one seems to have learnt anything..., I suggest that people who ride in heavy traffic situations and/or use bus or T-lanes will be more aware of these sort of intersections and will do whatever they consider appropriate to keep themselves safe: taking personal responsibility - that is a learning/re-learning/revising situation. I'd also suggest that, if with any luck, the taxi driver might also be far more cautious when turning right across two lanes... the taxi driver was very lucky it was a bike and not a car coming down the T3 lane - being t-boned would have ruined his day a bit more... possibly a seriously injured passenger.

[Katman]

How many times have you lost your license?

I've never lost my license.

How about you?

[pritch]

I've never lost my license.


I seem to recall that a year or three back you were full house on demerits? Close but not out?

[Katman]

I seem to recall that a year or three back you were full house on demerits? Close but not out?

They had me sweating.

[old slider]

Pleased to hear your recovering well Old Steve, This thread has high lighted my need to be even more vigilant on our roads. (thank you).

There also appears to be a few riders who are far more experienced and apparently more aware than many others on here, I am hoping they will devote some time offering there experiences with some sound advise to hopefully improve us less competent riders.

[swbarnett]

You're the one talking in legal terms.

Culpability extends beyond what's simply 'legal'.
Which is why I prefixed it with the word "legal".

I do understand there is a difference. This is actually my point.

[Maha]

I seem to recall that a year or three back you were full house on demerits? Close but not out?

He probably stayed home to avoid Taxis.

[Akzle]

I've never lost my license.

How about you?

i've never had mine...

[Akzle]

, I am hoping they will devote some time offering there experiences with some sound advise to hopefully improve us less competent riders.

riding into shit hurts: don't.

[nzspokes]

They had me sweating.

Best not to be giving advice then.

[onearmedbandit]

Best not to be giving advice then.

So someone has to be perfect to be giving advice? Not ever seen Katman discouraging riding above the speed limit, more just advocating situation awareness.

[old slider]

riding into shit hurts: don't.


lol, Thanks Akzle, I am hoping that even us born again riders can remember how true that is from our past experiences.

[onearmedbandit]

riding into shit hurts: don't.

Yes, yes it does. 19yrs later and the pain is still as bad as the day of the accident. Tried avoiding riding into solid things ever since.

[Madness]

riding into shit hurts: don't.

I reckon you can take all the advice given on KB ever and combined it still wouldn't be as beneficial as having a recollection of having felt the pain caused by riding into shit. Personally, I count myself extremely lucky to have felt a fair amount of discomfort at the early age of 16 when I slammed my mint RG250 into a Hillman Avenger.

[Katman]

Best not to be giving advice then.

Sorry, I'm not seeing the connection.

[old slider]

The Kawasaki H1 Mach 111 otherwise known as the triple with the ripple or widow maker claimed quite a few of my mates or known riders in a short time, has there been another bike since that reduced riders numbers quite like it?

[Madness]

The Kawasaki H1 Mach 111 otherwise known as the triple with the ripple or widow maker claimed quite a few of my mates or known riders in a short time, has there been another bike since that reduced riders numbers quite like it?

That would be the Suzuki GSXR-1000, the "Squidmobile"

[nzspokes]

Sorry, I'm not seeing the connection.

That's to be expected.

[Gremlin]

The thread is starting to descend into personal attacks. Let's keep this thread about Steve's incident, and the learnings that can be taken from it.

[Akzle]

The thread is starting to descend into personal attacks. Let's keep this thread about Steve's incident, and the learnings that can be taken from it.

reading the situation: you fail.

[jasonu]

The thread is starting to descend into personal attacks. Let's keep this thread about Steve's incident, and the learnings that can be taken from it.



Yeah ya bunch of eggs...
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[Old Steve]

Well, I've had an MRI (four weeks after the accident) and having another review in a week or so to see if I need corrective surgery. The Police have also located the taxi driver who said he did stop, came up to me and touched my shoulder and asked me how I was, and when I didn't answer turned around and left. The Police have viewed his taxi camera files and are charging him with careless driving causing injury and leaving the scene of an accident - they maintain there is no evidence of him coming up to me, and leaving after no response wouldn't have been acceptable anyway.

Youi are paying out, excess $410, but are also making a lump sum $500 payment for replacement bike gear (new boots, jacket and helmet visor). The Police are adding the excess to the reparations to be paid by the taxi driver is he is convicted, plus a little bit more for replacement costs above the Youi $500.

Still a bit sore in the right shoulder, can't raise my upper arm above the horizontal so am looking forward to the specialist seeing the MRI. Guess I'll have the bike back before I'm able to ride it, will just go down into the garage and sit on it and go brmm brmm.

[pritch]

Best of luck with the shoulder. The taxi driver could be nominated for the Nobel Prize for literature, his explanation is a work of fiction. :whistle:

[caseye]

Glad the bike side of thing is working out Steve, As for the bloody taxi driver, never trust em, He's injured you, gone away without a word and expects to get away with it. Good Job he didn't. As for the injuries, get em sorted properly, don't let no Doc tell you it can't be, make that ACC Levy work fro you for a change.
Brmm brmmm is Ok, proper motor noise along with hand and eyes working controls is better, looking forward to seeing you out and about again.
Your thread was a good one, don't be discouraged by the nay sayers, some of them mean well, the others are not worth worrying about.

[neels]

Well, I've had an MRI (four weeks after the accident) and having another review in a week or so to see if I need corrective surgery. The Police have also located the taxi driver who said he did stop, came up to me and touched my shoulder and asked me how I was, and when I didn't answer turned around and left. The Police have viewed his taxi camera files and are charging him with careless driving causing injury and leaving the scene of an accident - they maintain there is no evidence of him coming up to me, and leaving after no response wouldn't have been acceptable anyway.

Youi are paying out, excess $410, but are also making a lump sum $500 payment for replacement bike gear (new boots, jacket and helmet visor). The Police are adding the excess to the reparations to be paid by the taxi driver is he is convicted, plus a little bit more for replacement costs above the Youi $500.

Still a bit sore in the right shoulder, can't raise my upper arm above the horizontal so am looking forward to the specialist seeing the MRI. Guess I'll have the bike back before I'm able to ride it, will just go down into the garage and sit on it and go brmm brmm.
Other than the pain, sounds like as good an outcome as you can expect.

Best wishes for a speedy recovery back to riding

[Moi]

Good news all round...

:apint: Here's to a speedy recovery!

[old slider]

Speedy recovery, good luck with the shoulder, they can be tricky buggers to repair, rehab and physio is the go.

[jasonu]

Speedy recovery, good luck with the shoulder, they can be tricky buggers to repair, rehab and physio is the go.

Add acupuncture to the list of treatments.