Big dude

[TheAngryFits]

I'm looking at obtaining my learners license at the beginning of the year. I'm a big dude, 6'0 130kg (on a good day). I'd be commuting about 100kms a day and was wondering what a solid beginner bike would be for big guys.

I've read forums and it's usually unanimous that it all depends on the feel of the bike. How comfortable one is with a bike, what feels better when sitting on a bike, confidence and the rest.

I'm thinking with my size and distance I'd be travelling each day that a 250 is probably not gonna get the job done, am I right?

I've looked at bigger bikes but I really don't want to dump a lot of money into my beginner bike. I was looking at a couple of 650s, the Suzuki S40 mainly, the Hyosung gv650 as another. The problem is the s40 seems a bit small and the Hyosung is well, a Hyosung.

I apologize if these questions have been addressed elsewhere, but I really haven't had a chance to scour THESE forums and was hoping to find someone, a big someone, who might have some incite regarding my particular situation.

Oh, btw, I'm not opposed to 250s, I'd gladly rock a 250 if a 250 will have me, but I have a big ass and I'd need a bike that can appreciate a man bear.

Thanks in advance.

[haydes55]

I would say get a motard... but with the size of your backside you'd swallow the slim seat.

Go to a bike shop or 4 and try sitting on a bunch of bikes.

[TheAngryFits]

Pretty sure motard seat would feel like I'm wearing a thong. Nothing wrong with that, of course, but it might not look pretty on the motorway.

[Wannabiker]

Suzuki SV 650. (pretty sure they are LAMS??)
BMW F650

[Gubb]

I'm bit bigger than you, (6'3" - same weight) and started on a Hyosung 250 (This was before LAMS). Did plenty of long commutes and trips no worries at all. Thatbeingsaid, if I had to do it again, i'd be looking at a SV400/650 (Street Triple 660 if money allowed!) or CB500.

[aprilia_RS250]

KLR650 - cheap, good for taller people. Late models start around 6k used to ~9k new. Reliable - they are ok.

[Pound]

I'm a big dude


That's a nice euphemism. <_<

[WristTwister]

With LAMS bikes its's about Power to Weight ratios for most bikes over 250cc so take that into consideration when you look at 650s. 650cc LAMS bikes are usually restricted to about 45hp so even though a 600 may sound like a lot they can be heavier - and therefore slower - than something that's lighter and 400cc

Also, because you're a heavier person, remember to increase the preload on your suspension, most bikes are configured for 60kg asian riders.

[tigertim20]

ER650N, SV650 or MT-07 would be reasonable options IMO.

[Luckylegs]

Are you a 130 kgs of center (sic) linebacker or could you perhaps eat a few less pies between now and then and have a few more options.

Seriously, riding is hard work. You might find it easier if your more in shape...

:confused::confused::confused:

[5ive]

130kg plus the weight of your gear and anything else you want to take to work... yeah, you're the only person I'd reccommend get a 600-650 LAMS bike. I can't recommend any though.

I do the same distance commute on a 296cc bike, and during winter the bike sometimes carries over 120kg.

You'll be fine on a 600-650 LAMS, then upgrade when you can. You should be able to afford a better (second hand) bike with the money you scrape back from selling the LAMS bike.

[Baldkiwi]

I am similar weight. started on a KLR650 but was uncomfortable on long rides. then got a Hyosung GV650 which is much more comfortable and powerful but very cheaply made. I would look at a new one and it should be good for couple of years. Now I'm riding a Triumph Bonneville which is an awesome commuter.

[Big Dog]

KLR650 - cheap, good for taller people. Late models start around 6k used to ~9k new. Reliable - they are ok.
Klr650 may not gel well with his weight.
I really wanted one until I sat on one.
At 130 ish kgs I hit the stops just lowering myself onto the seat and that was not in my gear, just shorts t shirt etc.
I didn't quite rest on them but pretty easy to see big coin going into suspension so I didn't bother.

My picks would be LAMS er650, MT, Honda forget the model but it is a 500cc version of the CB1300.
DR650 if your up for riding a saw horse for 100kms a day and want something to explore gravel poor off-road.



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[TheAngryFits]

Are you a 130 kgs of center (sic) linebacker or could you perhaps eat a few less pies between now and then and have a few more options.

Seriously, riding is hard work. You might find it easier if your more in shape...

:confused::confused::confused:

Not a complete Lardo, if that's what yer askin. I'm more of a heavy lifting, dead lifting, active all day at work kind of Lardo. I'm big, but a solid portion of it is muscle. The other portion of it is in fact pies. And pizza and whole chickens, a few babies and a bunny here or there. Not worried about the physicality of riding in the slightest.

[TheAngryFits]

I'm bit bigger than you, (6'3" - same weight) and started on a Hyosung 250 (This was before LAMS). Did plenty of long commutes and trips no worries at all. Thatbeingsaid, if I had to do it again, i'd be looking at a SV400/650 (Street Triple 660 if money allowed!) or CB500.

Pretty much the reply of the month right here. The 250 commuted you around solid enough? Didn't thrash the bike to the point it spent more time in the shop than it did under your ass?

[TheAngryFits]

Really appreciate all the insight here. I super expected to get flamed outta the forum, but thanks heaps for not killing me.

[TheDemonLord]

I'm about your weight (not your height though) - I started on a 250 Hornet - which was fine, except for uphills on the motorway where it struggled, I then got a GSX650FU - which was fantastic, plenty of torque low down.

[TheAngryFits]

I'm about your weight (not your height though) - I started on a 250 Hornet - which was fine, except for uphills on the motorway where it struggled, I then got a GSX650FU - which was fantastic, plenty of torque low down.

Thanks for that. That was my worry with my size. Hills on the motorway!

[Gubb]

Pretty much the reply of the month right here. The 250 commuted you around solid enough? Didn't thrash the bike to the point it spent more time in the shop than it did under your ass?
For commuting and learning to ride, it was fine. Size wise it was just right, but it was heavy when compared to the Japanese equivalents. I did end up blowing it up, but that was my own stupid fault. And a replacement engine only cost $500 and an afternoon to put it in.

It's all budget dependant. if you want something cheap, for 18 months or so while you learn, a Hyo is fine.

[Luckylegs]

Not a complete Lardo, if that's what yer askin. I'm more of a heavy lifting, dead lifting, active all day at work kind of Lardo. I'm big, but a solid portion of it is muscle. The other portion of it is in fact pies. And pizza and whole chickens, a few babies and a bunny here or there. Not worried about the physicality of riding in the slightest.

Ok magilla - sweet as. Welcome aboard. I cant help as i fit a very different profile however hope you find what your looking for and enjoy it.

[Big Dog]

Biking can be a little challenging for those who are not little.
Not at all aided by the number of importers who won't bring in gear that fits those of us with generous proportions.

Yeah, yeah I need to lose weight... but even at ideal weight I am still difficult to buy gear or bikes for.

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[TheAngryFits]

Biking can be a little challenging for those who are not little.
Not at all aided by the number of importers who won't bring in gear that fits those of us with generous proportions.

Yeah, yeah I need to lose weight... but even at ideal weight I am still difficult to buy gear or bikes for.

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I feel your pain. I'm just one of those naturally big guys, though I have packed on more poundage after leaving the military and moving to nz where I discovered meat pies, I try to justify that by calling it power. Even in the military, my uniforms were bigger than the norm.

Can't wait to see what kind of nightmare i face getting gear.

[aws]

Not quite your size and haven't been confined to a learner bike for some time, but my thoughts on the suggestions above: I doubt a motard would be comfortable enough for that long commute. A 250 could probably do the job, but you'll most likely be maxing out the suspension and you'll need to ring it's neck quite a bit. A mid size bike will rev a lot lower than a 250 at highway speeds. While LAMS limits horsepower, the bigger engine is going to have a broader spread of torque throughout the rev range. It'll just be easier and more comfortable to ride on a longer commute. It depends on your budget, but if it were me I'd be looking to the new breed of larger LAMS bikes, MT-07, Street triple etc.

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[Big Dog]

I feel your pain. I'm just one of those naturally big guys, though I have packed on more poundage after leaving the military and moving to nz where I discovered meat pies, I try to justify that by calling it power. Even in the military, my uniforms were bigger than the norm.

Can't wait to see what kind of nightmare i face getting gear.
Unless your budget stretches to fancier gear you might want to check out:
www.1tonne.co.nz who stock larger sizes. Send them your measurements and their recommendations are pretty accurate.
www.msw.co.nz who make tailor made gear or can tailor something to fit.

Technics used to be my go to brand but sizing can be a little weird and can be hard to get.

Neo are ugly but have good quality... but only a very limited amount of the big sizes available.

Helmets are another challenge if your head is in proportion.
If you can't find anything big enough try to find an HJC CLSP.
There are other options but not many.

Feet are in proportion too? Look for some Gaerne ones. Only ones I know that go up to a size 13w (euro 48) unless you like cruiser boots like Johnny Rebs. Other brands claim to do 48s but then the neck is the same size as the 45s so you can't get them on.

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[Gubb]

+1 for HJC and Gaerne. Both came in a a good price, and fit well for my keg-head and flipper feet.

[TheAngryFits]

+1 for HJC and Gaerne. Both came in a a good price, and fit well for my keg-head and flipper feet.

Thanks for that info, Big Dog and Gubb. I do have a melon, plus my beard adds another dimension to it.

Thanks everyone for your insight. Very much appreciated!

[Moi]

This thread: Motorcycle Gear Online Shops (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/155693-Motorcycle-gear-online-shops-what-is-available?highlight=online+shops) might be worth having a look at.

You'd probably get a better range available overseas, thinking the US, and motorcycle gear may still be duty free... used to be if it was "motorcycle safety gear".

[Gubb]

Once you get sorted with a bike and gear, gimme a buzz, and we can go for a ride.

[flashg]

No one has suggested the Yamaha XT660X motard or XT660R enduro or XT660Z tenere. The X and R can be found at very reasonable prices. The engine is bullet proof and reliable. It's a big single and has great torque and 47 hp. Also injected. It'll do 100km plus all day long even up decent hills. They are comfortable and roomier than heaps of others. Worth checking out.

[mulletman]

^^^^^^^ What Flash said , ive followed him when he had one and they certainly go well, and would be almost perfect sizing.

[Ocean1]

No one has suggested the Yamaha XT660X motard or XT660R enduro or XT660Z tenere. The X and R can be found at very reasonable prices. The engine is bullet proof and reliable. It's a big single and has great torque and 47 hp. Also injected. It'll do 100km plus all day long even up decent hills. They are comfortable and roomier than heaps of others. Worth checking out.


^^^^^^^ What Flash said , ive followed him when he had one and they certainly go well, and would be almost perfect sizing.

Yep, good call, the XT660X is all of that, good fit for the OP and great value.

[FatMax]

I myself am a big fat git and for three years owned a Hyosung GV250. This bike served me very well, even took it from Auckland to Nelson and back (one of our group mentioned that it deserved a medal for that)
I then upgraded to a Hyosung ST7 and again it was a great bike, a lot of torque for LAMS approved and went really well.
Both bikes had the comfort factor, were simple and straight forward, very very economical and ran great in all weathers and conditions.
It is what suits you mate and what you feel comfortable on, there are far too many biker label junkies out there, mostly snobby Harley riders who I used to laugh at when their bikes wouldn't start in the cold yet mine had no problem at all

[TheAngryFits]

Once you get sorted with a bike and gear, gimme a buzz, and we can go for a ride.

I will definitely give you a ring, I live on the Kapiti Coast, bout 50kms out of the Welly cbd

[TheAngryFits]

I myself am a big fat git and for three years owned a Hyosung GV250. This bike served me very well, even took it from Auckland to Nelson and back (one of our group mentioned that it deserved a medal for that)
I then upgraded to a Hyosung ST7 and again it was a great bike, a lot of torque for LAMS approved and went really well.
Both bikes had the comfort factor, were simple and straight forward, very very economical and ran great in all weathers and conditions.
It is what suits you mate and what you feel comfortable on, there are far too many biker label junkies out there, mostly snobby Harley riders who I used to laugh at when their bikes wouldn't start in the cold yet mine had no problem at all

The gv250 is what originally caught my eye, I just didn't know how it'd handle my size commuting which made me think gv650. It was between the Aquillas or a Suzuki s40 which I hear is a great beginner bike.

I was incredibly skeptical of the Hyosung brand, though, after reading the horror stories, but then I did some soul searching over a roast chicken and it came to me. For every one complaint there could be four extremely happy GV owners.

Was talking to a mate at work and he was telling me about the issues with his Kawa Ninja1000 (pretty sure it's a 1000) and the issues he had, the stator / regulator, rattling from his fuel tank and some others and the issues he had getting them rectified as Kawa didn't deem the issues a major issue so.

Hmmm, that sounds a lot like the feedback Hyosung gets.

So eff it, I'll go park my ass on a Hyo and see how it feels and if the seat makes my ass feel the way my wife makes me feel after a bottle of wine, then I'll give it a go!

Thanks KS everyone!

[Big Dog]

The gv250 is what originally caught my eye, I just didn't know how it'd handle my size commuting which made me think gv650. It was between the Aquillas or a Suzuki s40 which I hear is a great beginner bike.

I was incredibly skeptical of the Hyosung brand, though, after reading the horror stories, but then I did some soul searching over a roast chicken and it came to me. For every one complaint there could be four extremely happy GV owners.

Was talking to a mate at work and he was telling me about the issues with his Kawa Ninja1000 (pretty sure it's a 1000) and the issues he had, the stator / regulator, rattling from his fuel tank and some others and the issues he had getting them rectified as Kawa didn't deem the issues a major issue so.

Hmmm, that sounds a lot like the feedback Hyosung gets.

So eff it, I'll go park my ass on a Hyo and see how it feels and if the seat makes my ass feel the way my wife makes me feel after a bottle of wine, then I'll give it a go!

Thanks KS everyone!
You way the hyo to make your arse feel spent? :rofl:

Ps. Www.fc-Moto.de are doing a bit of a clearance on Gaerne boots. Ordered some a couple of days ago at half the regular price here.

Might want to buy from a bike shop though if you need to try some on.



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[arcane12]

I'm of similar build and I still have my s40. It does ok over the longer distances, but I found I needed... extra rear protection or the longer rides became rather uncomfortable. That said, with the airhawk I rode ~450km in one day, and was able to sit again in less than an hour after getting home!

That said even at my height (a few cm short of you) I feel the s40 is a little short, though it does mean I can always put a foot down, no matter where I stop! End of the day, until you have done the ride a few times you won't know for sure if it will work or not.

[TheAngryFits]

I'm of similar build and I still have my s40. It does ok over the longer distances, but I found I needed... extra rear protection or the longer rides became rather uncomfortable. That said, with the airhawk I rode ~450km in one day, and was able to sit again in less than an hour after getting home!

That said even at my height (a few cm short of you) I feel the s40 is a little short, though it does mean I can always put a foot down, no matter where I stop! End of the day, until you have done the ride a few times you won't know for sure if it will work or not.

Awesome feedback! I've now heard tales from biggies that have ridden the two bikes I'm looking at for myself and on top of that, great feedback regarding where to get gear for said biggies.

This place is amazing

[FLUB]

I'm 6'5" and was 130kg when I bought my KLR650 new in May last year (a bit lighter now). This latest version has a better seat and greatly uprated suspension over the previous model. I've certainly never bottomed it out. It handles way better than it should for a big trail bike and has no problem hauling me around all day. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it to a beginner of your size.

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