Bloody freedom camping rules.

[Asher]

Im currently spending new years in Queenstown with my lady friend and went into town last night to celebrate the new year.
We drove into town and after about 35 mins of looking for a car park we found a spot in the botanical gardens carpark that i was happy with leaving the car at over night as we were planning on taxiing home (responsible drinking bs).
At about 1:30am when the bar we were at closed we decided we had had enough of the crowds and went to look for a taxi. The que at the taxi stand was ridiculous, there would have been over 200 people waiting so we decided to go back to the car and wait for a few hours before trying again.
We sat in the car with the engine running to keep warm and music playing but ended up falling asleep for about an hour and a half. After we woke up we returned to the taxi stand and managed to get a ride home.
Returning to the car this morning i find a fucking ticket on the window for $200 for freedom camping. Turns out they had given us a ticket at 3am and had not even woken us up to tell us to bugger off.
Parking wardens piss me off at the best of times but this is fucking ridiculous.
Im going to try and fight it but wont hold my breath over it.

Rant/

[jasonu]

Im currently spending new years in Queenstown with my lady friend and went into town last night to celebrate the new year.
We drove into town and after about 35 mins of looking for a car park we found a spot in the botanical gardens carpark that i was happy with leaving the car at over night as we were planning on taxiing home (responsible drinking bs).
At about 1:30am when the bar we were at closed we decided we had had enough of the crowds and went to look for a taxi. The que at the taxi stand was ridiculous, there would have been over 200 people waiting so we decided to go back to the car and wait for a few hours before trying again.
We sat in the car with the engine running to keep warm and music playing but ended up falling asleep for about an hour and a half. After we woke up we returned to the taxi stand and managed to get a ride home.
Returning to the car this morning i find a fucking ticket on the window for $200 for freedom camping. Turns out they had given us a ticket at 3am and had not even woken us up to tell us to bugger off.
Parking wardens piss me off at the best of times but this is fucking ridiculous.
Im going to try and fight it but wont hold my breath over it.

Rant/

Freedom campers=cunts too stingy to pay for a spot in a motor campground that leave their rubbish and feces in a pile when they move on. You can blame those scroungers for your misfortune.

[jellywrestler]

Im currently spending new years in Queenstown with my lady friend and went into town last night to celebrate the new year.
We drove into town and after about 35 mins of looking for a car park we found a spot in the botanical gardens carpark that i was happy with leaving the car at over night as we were planning on taxiing home (responsible drinking bs).
At about 1:30am when the bar we were at closed we decided we had had enough of the crowds and went to look for a taxi. The que at the taxi stand was ridiculous, there would have been over 200 people waiting so we decided to go back to the car and wait for a few hours before trying again.
We sat in the car with the engine running to keep warm and music playing but ended up falling asleep for about an hour and a half. After we woke up we returned to the taxi stand and managed to get a ride home.
Returning to the car this morning i find a fucking ticket on the window for $200 for freedom camping. Turns out they had given us a ticket at 3am and had not even woken us up to tell us to bugger off.
Parking wardens piss me off at the best of times but this is fucking ridiculous.
Im going to try and fight it but wont hold my breath over it.

Rant/
ha de haha, well done, lucky the cops didn't see you, with the motor running it would've been a breath test on top of that.

[Akzle]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

[R650R]

ha de haha, well done, lucky the cops didn't see you, with the motor running it would've been a breath test on top of that.

Yep. although just sitting in the driver seat would be enough

[R650R]

Freedom campers=cunts too stingy to pay for a spot in a motor campground that leave their rubbish and feces in a pile when they move on. You can blame those scroungers for your misfortune.

Come say that in the adventure touring section lol.....

[R650R]

We sat in the car with the engine running to keep warm and music playing but ended up falling asleep



Now if you'd both gotten in the BACK seat you really wouldn't have needed the engine running to stay warm.... just sayin....

[FJRider]

Im going to try and fight it but wont hold my breath over it.

Rant/

You might have a leg to stand on ... Page (2) (c)

In this bylaw freedom camping does not include the following activities:
(a) temporary and short-term parking of a motor vehicle;
(b) recreational activities commonly known as day-trip excursions;
(c) resting or sleeping at the roadside in a caravan or motor vehicle to avoid driver fatigue.

http://www.qldc.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/Council-Documents/Bylaws/Freedom-Camping-Bylaw-December-2012.pdf

[AllanB]

I detest freedom campers shitting all over New Zealands roadsides. I applaud any council doing something to stop it. Fucking cheap arse freeloaders you come over here on a shoe-string budget.

In your case, if you look at it objectively what were they to think? Two people asleep in their car at 3.00am ......

Write a polite letter, include a copy of the invoice for where you are staying and the taxi ride and I would be surprised if the ticket was not wiped.

[Luckylegs]

Freedom campers=cunts too stingy to pay for a spot in a motor campground that leave their rubbish and feces in a pile when they move on. You can blame those scroungers for your misfortune.


Come say that in the adventure touring section lol.....

Consider it said!!! - Do you, or the inhabitants of said section make a habit of leaving piles of rubbish and poos before you move on? otherwise they weren't talking about you so move on. If you do, you've earned Jase's description and may you all fall off the side of a cliff somewhere while your adventurin'

...Feel free to copy this to that section and invite em' here to discuss.






...lol

[mossy1200]

A few weeks ago I got a ticket for parking near a hydrant cover while working on the pumps in the pump station 1 metre away from said hydrant that supplies said hydrant and I didn't get off lol. I had to pay the council to fix a council fault. Absolutely Positively Wellington!

[R650R]

A few weeks ago I got a ticket for parking near a hydrant cover while working on the pumps in the pump station 1 metre away from said hydrant that supplies said hydrant and I didn't get off lol. I had to pay the council to fix a council fault. Absolutely Positively Wellington!

I've seen our local police park over the top of ours during covert breath alcohol checks... he does leave the engine running though :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re_VFd7dajA

[jasonu]

I've seen our local police park over the top of ours during covert breath alcohol checks... he does leave the engine running though :)

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Did you run over and tell them to fuck off?

[Moise]

Yep. although just sitting in the driver seat would be enough
Yeah, NEVER sit in the driver's seat after you've been drinking. It cost us a lot of $$$ to get our son off a drink driving charge when he was a teenager.

Good to hear that they've cracked down on freedom camping down there. The lookout car parks, etc. were pretty disgusting at times.

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[Tazz]

The people doing the damage aren't 'freedom campers', they are fuckwits. Just like there are fuckwits on motorcycles, push bikes, foot or in cars etc etc that do not represent everyone. I see a crackdown on rules for enjoying our country that directly cuts us off too, not just those fuckwits that are not even here for 12 months of their lives.

Fine the crap out of them, deport them, educate them better on arrival, whatever it takes but it is tragic there is so much LOCAL support for insane rules that cut off LOCAL access (and yes there are plenty of local fuckwits too!).

Short sighted much people....?!

[jasonu]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/wanganui-chronicle/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503426&objectid=11777793

One poo in the pot and out you go.

[Tazz]

If I could change laws to guarantee people came and spent money where I work I would also be all over it.

[ellipsis]

I did not know it was illegal to sit in a parked car after you have been drinking as the offense does have the word driving in it and being parked up is not driving I would have thought.


...you have proven on numerous occasions that you don't think...

[FJRider]

I did not know it was illegal to sit in a parked car after you have been drinking as the offense does have the word driving in it and being parked up is not driving I would have thought.

The wording .. is In Control of the vehicle whilst under the influence ... etc

Keys in the ignition and sitting in the drivers seat.

This also covers those giving driving lessons to a learner driver ... and sitting in the front passenger seat.

[FJRider]

This is a link to the QLDC area that shows the areas freedom camping is not permitted. Looking at it ... it would seem there is valid reasons for the ban in those areas.

http://qldc.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=77543efd1fb44a7b9ea68ab8305d0e07

Having lived in the Queenstown/Central Otago area for many years ... I've seen "Freedom Camping" in almost every green spaces, and most quiet (free) car parking spots throughout Central Otago. This includes children's playgrounds, parks and reserves and even school grounds. Even in a quiet cul-de-sac and darker street.

Left behind is the usual assortment of waste/rubbish/shit (literally)in (or near) an rubbish bins in the areas. I saw one letter written to the local free paper complaining that the rubbish bins in such places need to be enlarged "to stop the problem of this mess being made". The writer actually gave their name and country of origin. (France actually)

[FJRider]

If I could change laws to guarantee people came and spent money where I work I would also be all over it.

The (anti) freedom camping regulations are not laws. Merely by-laws. Enforced by Council staff and they hold NO powers of arrest or detention. Police are only involved if called by said council staff in cases of altercations with said freedom campers. Or ... if actual laws (depositing dangerous litter/wilful damage etc) are being broken. Any (court) actions started/taken after the issue of a ticket ... is up to the discretion of those appointed by the council to enforce the by-laws. That is of course if the offenders are still in the country when the fines are due. Often this is not the case.

It is not a case of "Changing Regulations" to just make them spend money where they work. It has been regular practice (for many years) in all of the Holiday Parks in Central to police their own camps to stop the "sneaky shower" practice. Some sneaky visitors have even been known to cook their meals in the camps kitchens without being booked in the camps. They choose to use privileges they have not asked (or paid) for. Most such places see it as theft and those caught are usually referred to the police.

In today's Otago Daily Times ...

https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/queenstown/crackdown-freeloaders

[Coldrider]

Freedom campers=cunts too stingy to pay for a spot in a motor campground that leave their rubbish and feces in a pile when they move on. You can blame those scroungers for your misfortune.
If you think you can rock up to a camping ground in Central Otago without booking 3 months prior, you have no idea what you are talking about.

[Mike.Gayner]

We have so much natural beauty and so little population density in this country, it's an incredible shame that the heavy hand of government (goaded by a handful of loud NIMBYs) is telling us how we can enjoy this beauty.

It's bad enough that 99.99% of the land in NZ is owned and inaccessible, at the very least we are within our rights to enjoy what little slice we have left.

Fuck freedom camping bylaws, most of which are illegal and unenforceable.

[FJRider]

Fuck freedom camping bylaws, most of which are illegal and unenforceable.

When they start camping in the green spaces just down the road/street from your place ... you might change your opinion. And especially if its a place your kids play.

90% of the anti freedom camping by-laws apply to residential areas.

[Black Knight]

I have already had a rant about this subject some weeks back only to be told by one of the more regular posters to fuck off.Now it seems I may have been correct,come visit the Bay of Islands if you want to see the disrespect for the environment that these bludgers have.

[Mike.Gayner]

When they start camping in the green spaces just down the road/street from your place ... you might change your opinion. And especially if its a place your kids play.

Like I said, NIMBYs. Local residents don't own the public land around them - you don't get to tell other people how they can use public spaces, within the bounds of reasonableness of course.

It's the same smug, arrogant attitude of people who live in beach towns and try to exclude/limit the use of beaches by visitors.

[Virago]

Like I said, NIMBYs. Local residents don't own the public land around them - you don't get to tell other people how they can use public spaces, within the bounds of reasonableness of course.

It's the same smug, arrogant attitude of people who live in beach towns and try to exclude/limit the use of beaches by visitors.

So you won't have any problem with people using the footpath outside your house to take a dump?

[Tazz]

The (anti) freedom camping regulations are not laws. Merely by-laws. Enforced by Council staff and they hold NO powers of arrest or detention. Police are only involved if called by said council staff in cases of altercations with said freedom campers. Or ... if actual laws (depositing dangerous litter/wilful damage etc) are being broken. Any (court) actions started/taken after the issue of a ticket ... is up to the discretion of those appointed by the council to enforce the by-laws. That is of course if the offenders are still in the country when the fines are due. Often this is not the case.

It is not a case of "Changing Regulations" to just make them spend money where they work. It has been regular practice (for many years) in all of the Holiday Parks in Central to police their own camps to stop the "sneaky shower" practice. Some sneaky visitors have even been known to cook their meals in the camps kitchens without being booked in the camps. They choose to use privileges they have not asked (or paid) for. Most such places see it as theft and those caught are usually referred to the police.

In today's Otago Daily Times ...

https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/queenstown/crackdown-freeloaders

Correct, it is a law, on a 'local' level. Good luck using that to somehow get around enforcement though.

Some people shoplift. Should rate payers in my local community pay for shop security and anti theft measures? Because that is what camp ground owners on some level are asking for.

I do feel compassion for them all said and done. The people that do that are in no way in the right, same with the lazy excuses for humans that shit next to a car in a fucking rest spot and drive off.

Rubbish could 'quickly' be helped by having refundable tax on glass and plastic.
Only helped though, there are bigger problems.

[Tazz]

I have already had a rant about this subject some weeks back only to be told by one of the more regular posters to fuck off.Now it seems I may have been correct,come visit the Bay of Islands if you want to see the disrespect for the environment that these bludgers have.

You paying a toll to use the road every time your on it. No? Bludger! :laugh:

I hope there is a solution out there to keep people enjoying the country while weeding out the inconsiderate asshats.

Still though, not as much venom at what shocking farming practices are doing to the place as the camping crowds efforts. Bit selective.

[jasonu]

If you think you can rock up to a camping ground in Central Otago without booking 3 months prior, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Being unable to book a spot in a camp ground has fuck all to do with this issue and certainly does not give the go ahead to park where you want, use facilities without paying (or even asking) that belong to private businesses and driving away leaving your trash and feces for someone else to clean up. These cunts are a bunch of filthy freeloaders that likely never even tried to book. Fuck them.

[Akzle]

Rubbish could 'quickly' be helped by having refundable tax on glass and plastic.
Only helped though, there are bigger problems.

what actually needs to happen is that manufacturers are charged for the lifcycle costs of not only what they make, but it's packaging and cartoning too (obviously these will be passed on to the consumer)
so what you'll see is a) less fucking plastic and b) less shit products and c)less packaging in general.

same applies to fast food wrappers. McDs should be charged cleanup costs every time one of their customers leaves a fucking quarter pound of shit in the carpark or chucks it out the window of their car.


vote akzle.

[FJRider]

Correct, it is a law, on a 'local' level. Good luck using that to somehow get around enforcement though.

Some people shoplift. Should rate payers in my local community pay for shop security and anti theft measures? Because that is what camp ground owners on some level are asking for.

I do feel compassion for them all said and done. The people that do that are in no way in the right, same with the lazy excuses for humans that shit next to a car in a fucking rest spot and drive off.

Rubbish could 'quickly' be helped by having refundable tax on glass and plastic.
Only helped though, there are bigger problems.

1. Laws are enforced by Police with powers of arrest. Police cannot arrest anybody for breaking a by-law.

By-laws are enforced (tickets issued) by council staff with NO powers of arrest, council employee's with all the authority of an average clerk. After the pay by date has passed, accounts are usually sent to vehicle owners. And the rental companies return them. then the accounts are sent to debt collection agencies.
Police refuse to enforce by-laws. Any legal action regarding the breaking of by-laws must be instigated (and paid for) by Council. For small (what amounts to) parking fines ... this is seldom financially viable. As such ... rely on the honesty and integrity (:lol:) of the offender to pay the fine demanded.
Such are the woes of local governments ... in ALL parts of NZ.

2. Camp ground security has always been the responsibility of it's staff. No rate payer funds are used to police camp grounds (unless it is a council camp ground). Using camp facilities without paying is theft. As such ... against the law. And Police are involved when offenders are caught by camp staff.

3. Rubbish and shit is left by the lazy element of travelers that know they will be long gone when the rubbish is found where they left it. Any refundable tax will not be sufficient to be worth the effort and time to return and collect. They don't even (seem to) have time to find an empty rubbish bin.

[FJRider]

Like I said, NIMBYs. Local residents don't own the public land around them - you don't get to tell other people how they can use public spaces, within the bounds of reasonableness of course.

It's the same smug, arrogant attitude of people who live in beach towns and try to exclude/limit the use of beaches by visitors.

The powers that are voted into office are indeed "owned" by the local residents. Often the bounds of reasonableness is exceeded ... Greatly ....

The complaints of the use of beaches by visitors is a separate matter but not (usually) involving council by-laws. Most such complaints I have heard are (claimed) in regard to tribal ownership issues. The private land issues near beaches/lakes/rivers etc ... occur nationwide. And I concur with your thinking.

[russd7]

Like I said, NIMBYs. Local residents don't own the public land around them - you don't get to tell other people how they can use public spaces, within the bounds of reasonableness of course.

It's the same smug, arrogant attitude of people who live in beach towns and try to exclude/limit the use of beaches by visitors.

unfortunately this is a case of the actions of a few fuck it for everyone else, travel the southern routes of our fair country and stop in some o the accessible lakeside rest areas or sea side rest areas and have a look, don't let ya kids out of the car unless you want them playing in shit (literally)

this is not only happening in rest areas where there is no toilet but also in places where there are toilets available but people either cant be bothered using them or don't want to use them.

most down here don't oppose freedom camping on a whole, it is the mess that is left by some freedom campers that destroys the natural beauty.

as for public land, ya might find that through their rates people do own the public land around them and have a say via their local councilor

[Mike.Gayner]

as for public land, ya might find that through their rates people do own the public land around them and have a say via their local councilor

That's not how ownership works.

[Virago]

...this is not only happening in rest areas where there is no toilet but also in places where there are toilets available but people either cant be bothered using them or don't want to use them...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11777314

As above, in many cases there are lots of toilets provided. But many tourists find our chemical or "long-drop" dunnies too unpleasant to use, and would rather shit in the bushes alongside - or worse next to waterways. For some overseas visitors this can be partly due to cultural aversion to sit-down toilets - squatting in the bush is preferable.

Many of these tourists come from countries where they have comparatively high levels of Giardia in their gut. Their habit of shitting near waterways has rendered it inadvisable to drink from many of our high-country streams.

But back to freedom camping. I'm interested to know what those who so vehemently oppose controlling by-laws think should be done about the problems.

[granstar]

Poops in the bushes - be wary of nettles, just saying. :dodge:

In this century (and last) food is more and more sold into plastics for food safety (but then is it, often more packaging than product in an item) ,the consumer not having a lot of choice about packaging other than not buying it. This leaves a mass of pollution, left not only at camping sites of unclean N.Z, but in our homes and habitat environs. People have got perhaps lazy as the world becomes "throwaway", tradespeople do not repair things these days, technology is out of control. Oh the days we used to get a return on glass bottles, bread used to come unwrapped and always tasted best after a store cat had chased a mouse across it on the shelf, fish and chips came in biodegradable news-wrap, no one died, or lived to tell, it never affected me in any way :crazy:

Perhaps a look up the ladder to the core issue and not all at the firefighting stage. A google on plastic waste escalating in the oceans killing the inhabitants shows the problem is massive and global. The onus of people to stop littering is big, how does it get controlled in a world of corporate greed.
Yeah if every one did their little bit, I ride a motorcycle to reduce emissions, I pick my shit, I pick up others shit from beaches and reserves, porobally makes jack difference but I feel better about leaving a place better than when I found it, but a majority don't seem to care too much. A change may come when it's all too late and the world is like those house on the "hoarder" programs on t.v, ...have we given up?.

[FJRider]

That's not how ownership works.

Tell that to the Councillor ... :killingme

[FJRider]

unfortunately Most down here don't oppose freedom camping on a whole, it is the mess that is left by some freedom campers that destroys the natural beauty.

as for public land, ya might find that through their rates people do own the public land around them and have a say via their local councilor

Many locals in a lot of these areas have "adopted" some parks and roadside verges to keep the places looking tidy. But they get sickened (literally) when they find the entire contents of a campervan waste tank at a rest stop or car park.

For public ownership to work ... people must take ownership of the problems in their areas. If the idea that those causing issues shouldn't pay (Literally .. ??) a part in fixing the problem offends anyone ... is it a case of head in the sand ... or are we missing something .. ??

[Tazz]

what actually needs to happen is that manufacturers are charged for the lifcycle costs of not only what they make, but it's packaging and cartoning too (obviously these will be passed on to the consumer)
so what you'll see is a) less fucking plastic and b) less shit products and c)less packaging in general.

same applies to fast food wrappers. McDs should be charged cleanup costs every time one of their customers leaves a fucking quarter pound of shit in the carpark or chucks it out the window of their car.


vote akzle.

Can't argue with that. If all companies are forced to do it the playing field is level cost wise as well. It is on us to bring it around by paying more attention to what we buy as well, but, if people can't even use a toilet...

[russd7]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11777314

As above, in many cases there are lots of toilets provided. But many tourists find our chemical or "long-drop" dunnies too unpleasant to use, and would rather shit in the bushes alongside - or worse next to waterways. For some overseas visitors this can be partly due to cultural aversion to sit-down toilets - squatting in the bush is preferable.

Many of these tourists come from countries where they have comparatively high levels of Giardia in their gut. Their habit of shitting near waterways has rendered it inadvisable to drink from many of our high-country streams.

But back to freedom camping. I'm interested to know what those who so vehemently oppose controlling by-laws think should be done about the problems.

hence why i stated "not wanting to use them"

in our travels from one end of the south to the other and yes we stopped in and passed areas where freedom camping happens we found that the majority of those that were travelling the vehicles that seemed to predominately stop in these places, ie the toyota previa type camper or small van type or car and tent, were of European persuasion so therefor the cultural aversion part of your argument does not stand up. the asians that were in campers were in large motorhome type campers and from what we witnessed they tended to stop in camp grounds.

i personally don't advocate stopping freedom camping but am still not sure how to fix the problem

[Grumph]

That's not how ownership works.


Tell that to the Councillor ... :killingme

In an increasing number of rural locations, the landowner closest to the site of the problem is often now the Councillor...

It's happening as a result of frustration and the desire to do something about it...
I'm picking that there will be an increasing number of Councils banning freedom camping - certainly in the SI.
Whether ratepayers will be happy paying for enforcement officers is another question.

[Big Dog]

Would it be a simple solution to lift bans as such but charge those dumping waste with bio or eco terrorism?
Life sentence at theirs or their personal expense followed by deportation ought to be a suitable deterrent.

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[FJRider]

In an increasing number of rural locations, the landowner closest to the site of the problem is often now the Councillor...

It's happening as a result of frustration and the desire to do something about it...
I'm picking that there will be an increasing number of Councils banning freedom camping - certainly in the SI.
Whether ratepayers will be happy paying for enforcement officers is another question.

I'm picking the issue will be taken over by Central Government. The rules in Legislation not by-laws.

[Mike.Gayner]

I'm picking the issue will be taken over by Central Government. The rules in Legislation not by-laws.

This was addressed by the government several years ago and was hotly debated. The government correctly erred on the side of freedom of movement and freedom of enjoyment of public spaces. The new legislation gave powers to local bodies to determine restricted areas, under the proviso that they need to have good defensible reasons behind such restrictions.

Most freedom camping bylaws in place are illegal under this legislation, and it would be childs play to challenge infringements.

[Akzle]

Would it be a simple solution to lift bans as such but charge those dumping waste with bio or eco terrorism?
Life sentence at theirs or their personal expense followed by deportation ought to be a suitable deterrent.

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enforcement paid for by whom?

[FJRider]

Most freedom camping bylaws in place are illegal under this legislation, and it would be childs play to challenge infringements.

Refer to the first post in this thread ... the OP was obviously NOT "freedom camping" ...

[Big Dog]

enforcement paid for by whom?
The terrorist, should they be unable to pay, their govt.

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[Akzle]

The terrorist, should they be unable to pay, their govt.

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yes but the catching, evidence-ing, and jewry/ court...

[Black Knight]

Yesterday I was talking to a "Freedom Camper" of German extraction in an area clearly marked no camping,yep he was in a shitter Subaru station waggon,with his girlfriend but sans toilet.I gave him a bit of a rev and during the conversation it came about how much campgrounds are charging and why they chose to freedom it.We talked about Elliots Bay camp-lovely surf beach,no toilets (dig your own long drop)no showers and no water other than what comes out of a single hose serving the whole camp and its brown-the price $20 per person per night!!!!!!-This guy said that in Europe prices would be half this.While I agree that running a camp has its financial problems,I wonder if maybe some are being too greedy and forcing these young tourists into alternative ways.

[Big Dog]

yes but the catching, evidence-ing, and jewry/ court...
Add a poo tax to inbound tourists without hotel bookings.
Get the councils to track it with this additional funding... call it Poolicing.

Once evidence is collected hand over to regular police or however does our counter terrorism.

Ps, I'm sure GCSB already track this shit. They just aren't sharing.

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[Ocean1]

Yesterday I was talking to a "Freedom Camper" of German extraction in an area clearly marked no camping,yep he was in a shitter Subaru station waggon,with his girlfriend but sans toilet.I gave him a bit of a rev and during the conversation it came about how much campgrounds are charging and why they chose to freedom it.We talked about Elliots Bay camp-lovely surf beach,no toilets (dig your own long drop)no showers and no water other than what comes out of a single hose serving the whole camp and its brown-the price $20 per person per night!!!!!!-This guy said that in Europe prices would be half this.While I agree that running a camp has its financial problems,I wonder if maybe some are being too greedy and forcing these young tourists into alternative ways.

That's at the very cheap end of the market. Which in many cases completely disappears peak season as the cheap sites get repriced significantly upwards. I've watched many council owned campsites we used as kids shut down or sold off to developers over the years, and I don't think they're being replaced. So I'm not sure the councils involved aren't in many ways directly responsible for the lack of facilities AND the prices the remaining ones charge.

Kiwi's travel far more than other countries, the Big OE has become a defining cultural Kiwiism and I think it contributes to our generally tolerant attitude for other cultures. I'm all for encouraging other countries to do the same, even if some of the cost is born by NZ. It's worked before and it'll work again.

[Jeff Sichoe]

Just charge a minimum $1,000,000 entry tax for any visitor and watch as NZ becomes the worlds escape plan for the wealthy

we can all just sit back and live on the tax.

[Tazz]

Pricing is interesting. Can't remember if I mentioned it before but I paid $35 a night for a powered site in Wanaka last year and here in Picton it is $51 :eek: I've since scored a place for $80 a week, which is still a bit more than I thought it would be (we charge a lady $50 a week to use a property in Chch that includes indoor toilet and wash house. Obviously we're too cheap!)


That's at the very cheap end of the market. Which in many cases completely disappears peak season as the cheap sites get repriced significantly upwards. I've watched many council owned campsites we used as kids shut down or sold off to developers over the years, and I don't think they're being replaced. So I'm not sure the councils involved aren't in many ways directly responsible for the lack of facilities AND the prices the remaining ones charge.

Kiwi's travel far more than other countries, the Big OE has become a defining cultural Kiwiism and I think it contributes to our generally tolerant attitude for other cultures. I'm all for encouraging other countries to do the same, even if some of the cost is born by NZ. It's worked before and it'll work again.

Purau in Canterbury is an interesting example of that. A previous owner tried to partially subdivide it, he was told no, never ever it must remain a camp ground and then the next guy who came along with a bit more money in his pocket suddenly gets to do what he wants. But there is no corruption in NZ guys!

[Akzle]

Add a poo tax to inbound tourists without hotel bookings.
Get the councils to track it with this additional funding... call it Poolicing.

Once evidence is collected hand over to regular police or however does our counter terrorism.

Ps, I'm sure GCSB already track this shit. They just aren't sharing.

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...and for the ones not inbound tourist? the "kiwis"?

personally we need some snakes. or at least rumours of snakes

"...and a man had to have his cock and balls amputated after he was bitten by a snake while defecating within 200m of a river"
news reports might slow things up...

[Voltaire]

Yesterday I was talking to a "Freedom Camper" of German extraction in an area clearly marked no camping,yep he was in a shitter Subaru station waggon,with his girlfriend but sans toilet.I gave him a bit of a rev and during the conversation it came about how much campgrounds are charging and why they chose to freedom it.We talked about Elliots Bay camp-lovely surf beach,no toilets (dig your own long drop)no showers and no water other than what comes out of a single hose serving the whole camp and its brown-the price $20 per person per night!!!!!!-This guy said that in Europe prices would be half this.While I agree that running a camp has its financial problems,I wonder if maybe some are being too greedy and forcing these young tourists into alternative ways.

I was travelling around Europe in my self contained Kombi in 2004 used to stay in campgrounds as we had young kids.
Germany had good ones for Campervans called Standplatz's ( standing places) basically a carpark with toilets and showers for 10 euro a night....and they sold beer.
Paid around 50 Euro once for camping in Austria and Italy. French had park up areas with toilets for a few euro.
French campgrounds are often owned by Council so are cheap.
Here I think the costs are reflected in the land prices.
NZMCC was the driver behind Freedom Camping for campervans with self containment certs, but its hard to control non members. Not that difficult to get a van certified, sink, 10 l waste and drinking water PP or 3 days.

[Big Dog]

...and for the ones not inbound tourist? the "kiwis"?

personally we need some snakes. or at least rumours of snakes

"...and a man had to have his cock and balls amputated after he was bitten by a snake while defecating within 200m of a river"
news reports might slow things up...
The same.

That'd be the eels....

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[Tazz]

Did a spot of 'freedom bludging' the other night. The area was tidy as, unlike further up steam where the locals like to fish. They must be those bloody 'tourist locals' though so they're not accountable for anything because they are one of us, wankers.


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[Black Knight]

Geesus Taz,$51 in Picton is a real rip.Stayed at the backpackers on the roundabout a couple of years back-$26 in a dorm room with free choc pudding dessert,and a spa pool.Pretty much the best value BP on our 4 week ride through NZ.

[Black Knight]

This weeks Listener has some pretty scarey reading guys.

[Akzle]

so y'all cunts don't know how to put up a fly eh?

[Virago]

so y'all cunts don't know how to put up a fly eh?

Is it as easy as putting up the awning?

[Akzle]

Is it as easy as putting up the awning?

probably easier but a motorbike can't tow a caravan.
for that you need a phat sweet magna. buy my car.

[jasonu]

but a motorbike can't tow a caravan. .

Sure they can...
https://www.google.com/search?q=motorcycle+camp+trailer&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjMp4_q88DRAhUIwlQKHcmmBJoQ_AUICSgC&biw=1365&bih=921#imgrc=ip7v9NRM-StJDM%3A

[Grumph]

Yamaha actually offered a camper set for some of the TX twins in the 70's.

Probably the ultimate accessory for concours now as i think they sold SFA.

[Tazz]

Geesus Taz,$51 in Picton is a real rip.Stayed at the backpackers on the roundabout a couple of years back-$26 in a dorm room with free choc pudding dessert,and a spa pool.Pretty much the best value BP on our 4 week ride through NZ.

I was shocked mate. They must be supplying 10 ply toilet paper or something or a hooker and blow addiction that needs decent funding.

$6 a night per person at a bunch of DOC sites not too far away that have a decent view though.
And guess what the caretakers say there....the biggest fuckwits and people they get the most trouble from are New Zealanders! Don't believe me go ask some of them. The sun doesn't shine out of our asses any more than foreign visitors.

That would be the Sequoia backpackers I think (up for sale at the moment I think out of interest).

[Berries]

Turns out they had given us a ticket at 3am and had not even woken us up to tell us to bugger off.
This explains why - https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/queenstown/freedom-camping-attack-disappointing

[Black Knight]

That would be the Sequoia backpackers I think (up for sale at the moment I think out of interest).

Yep that's the one,you should buy it Taz and put the prices up,easily run,the woofer residents do all the work-Sequoia is a seriously good BP,prolly the best of the 20 odd I stayed in during the trip.

[Tazz]

That would be the Sequoia backpackers I think (up for sale at the moment I think out of interest).

Yep that's the one,you should buy it Taz and put the prices up,easily run,the woofer residents do all the work-Sequoia is a seriously good BP,prolly the best of the 20 odd I stayed in during the trip.

haha that's actually a possible plan for the future but probably in Sri Lanka before it gets popular and spendy. Even with WOFers it's hard work though unless you have a massive place that is always packed. Picton is spoilt for backpackers tbh. The Jugglers Rest is also up for sale and one of the best in NZ, The Tombstone is also very good and then down the road there is the Hopewell Lodge (where we're off to for a few days next week) which is I think still the top rated BBH one in the country and around a fawking awesome road for motorcycles.
I'm actually surprised I haven't the Hopewelll mentioned more as a good spot to go to on here more considering the amount of ferry crossings the KB community does.

[rustys]

Have to agree with most, Camp grounds in NZ are charging pretty high prices these days just for a patch to put up a tent.
Went over to the UK and IOM TT last year and took a tent with us, we camped for a month and saved a fortune on our accommodation budget. We used the www.ukcampsites.com.uk a great system they have to find a Campsite close to where you happen to be for the night, it will give you lots of choices. There are Lots of basic Farm type camps where the Farmer puts up a small simple ablution block with power, say a couple showers and toilets and charges 5 - 10 quid a night each. Don't see why it could not be done in NZ, class people as guests, no registered campground, and make a few dollars on the side. Might stop a lot of overseas campers leaving there rubbish around.

[Swoop]

Have to agree with most, Camp grounds in NZ are charging pretty high prices these days just for a patch to put up a tent.
Went over to the UK and IOM TT last year and took a tent with us, we camped for a month and saved a fortune on our accommodation budget. We used the www.ukcampsites.com.uk a great system they have to find a Campsite close to where you happen to be for the night, it will give you lots of choices. There are Lots of basic Farm type camps where the Farmer puts up a small simple ablution block with power, say a couple showers and toilets and charges 5 - 10 quid a night each. Don't see why it could not be done in NZ, class people as guests, no registered campground, and make a few dollars on the side. Might stop a lot of overseas campers leaving there rubbish around.

Fucking spot on!
That's the way to do it.

I spent a month and a bit in the UK last year, and didn't have any hassles with freedom camping. Just respected whichever place I stopped in.

[Akzle]

There are Lots of basic Farm type camps where the Farmer puts up a small simple ablution block with power, say a couple showers and toilets and charges 5 - 10 quid a night each. Don't see why it could not be done in NZ,

i do bro. only that, there's no ablution block (BYO spade) and the fees are fucking ridiculous.

[rustys]

i do bro. only that, there's no ablution block (BYO spade) and the fees are fucking ridiculous.

Ridiculously CHEAP !!!! no problem with that mate.

[Akzle]

Ridiculously CHEAP !!!! no problem with that mate.

dunno. there's not too many places that sell chips 'round 'ere. which catches a few out...

[Coldrider]

Being unable to book a spot in a camp ground has fuck all to do with this issue and certainly does not give the go ahead to park where you want, use facilities without paying (or even asking) that belong to private businesses and driving away leaving your trash and feces for someone else to clean up. These cunts are a bunch of filthy freeloaders that likely never even tried to book. Fuck them.When you build your presidents wall you,ll realise it it has two sides.

[Tazz]

Interesting and pretty balanced (I think) article. Sourced from someone who deals with freedom campers everyday too rather than those who like to jump to conclusions. Nice for a change!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/88345009/an-evening-in-the-life-of-a-freedom-camping-enforcement-officer-in-golden-bay


The freedom camping hotspots of Golden Bay have caused headaches for residents and authorities. Nina Hindmarsh rode along with an enforcement officer for the night.

Golden Bay is teeming with freedom campers.

At this time of the year, it seems like every vehicle parked up at a beach or river spot has its boot stuffed with bedding.
Freedom camping enforcement officer of Control Services, Sally Quickfall.
Nina Hindmarsh

Freedom camping enforcement officer of Control Services, Sally Quickfall.

I'm riding along in Sally Quickfall's patrol car for the evening - hoping to get a closer look at the work of a local enforcement officer and what freedom camping is really like in Golden Bay.

As the day turns to dusk, we visit all the popular spots beginning at the base of Farewell Spit and going all the way to Tata Beach.

Armed only with a uniform and a notepad, Quickfall patrols these areas every morning and night over the busy period.
Freedom campers Alexander Zach and Carolin Hupe of Germany. The young couple are travelling around in New Zealand in ...
Nina Hindmarsh

Freedom campers Alexander Zach and Carolin Hupe of Germany. The young couple are travelling around in New Zealand in their van for six months.

She says her role is to educate freedom campers on what they can and can't do, and to move the illegal campers along.

She hands out pamphlets and takes down vehicle registrations, before coming back early the next morning to check if they have complied.

"The best consequence if they haven't moved on is to give them an early morning wake-up call. It's probably as effective as a $200 fine," she says as we drive.
Freedom camping in Golden Bay next to the Takaka River on State Highway 60.
Alden Williams/Fairfax NZ

Freedom camping in Golden Bay next to the Takaka River on State Highway 60.

She can threaten illegal campers who refuse to move on with a trespass notice covering all Tasman District Council owned land, but says the large majority comply.

Quickfall tells me Kiwis can be "the most hard work."

"I think it's a sense of entitlement to the land."
Illegal freedom campers are parked all the way down the Takaka river bank on the stones.
Nina Hindmarsh

Illegal freedom campers are parked all the way down the Takaka river bank on the stones.

She tells me that last week she had her notepad wrestled out of her hands and thrown into the tide by a disgruntled freedom camper at Milnthorpe Beach near Collingwood.

She's also been verbally abused and, most recently, she was spat at. Ironically, they were all New Zealanders.

Near Pakawau, a Kiwi couple have set up camp in a reserve next to a sign which reads, "no overnight staying."
Freedom camping in Golden Bay next to the Takaka River on State Highway 60. French tourists Julie Etcheverry, left, and ...
Alden Williams/Fairfax NZ

Freedom camping in Golden Bay next to the Takaka River on State Highway 60. French tourists Julie Etcheverry, left, and Tristan Tranchard.

The man, a farmer from out-of-town, says he can't find anywhere to go because accommodation in Golden Bay is fully booked.

Quickfall tells him he can stay one night but that he must leave at first light. He tries arguing with her, but eventually he agrees.

At Taupata Point, near Farewell Spit, Quickfall points out used toilet paper strewn in the bushes.

There are four vehicles in the carpark, three of which are self-contained.

She knocks on the window of the non self-contained station wagon. A handsome young couple are dozing in the front seats and they wake up, startled.

"I'm just making sure you are aware you can't stay here tonight because you're not self contained," Quickfall says.

"Yes, we know," says the woman in a thick French accent.

"So where are you staying?" asks Quickfall.

They say they are hoping to stay at a camp ground.

"I doubt you will have any luck at this time of the year," Quickfall says.

"Normally I would say you can't because you're not self-contained, but because [the camp grounds] are all full I'm going to ask you to go to Waitapu Bridge in Takaka for just one night and then you need to move on - at least there's a toilet and you can use it."

She hands them the pamphlet with an address and the couple drive away.

"In a week's time when [the camp grounds] start to empty out again, I will be telling them that they need to go there, but you can't send them there if there are no vacancies," she says.

"Therein lies the problem in Golden Bay - we just don't have enough facilities."

Quickfall tells me there's a lot of preconceived ideas in Golden Bay about freedom camping.

"People keep telling us they're 'pooing' here and they are 'pooing' there, and I walk around these places and it' not really like that," she says.

She says Golden Bay is unusual because in 2011 the community voted out on-the-spot fining for illegal campers.

"When the Rugby World Cup was in New Zealand there was a blanket fine legislation put over the whole country, and it only stood for one year. The interesting thing is that I didn't write one fine - I didn't have to," she says.

"Even if I had fining I doubt I would have to write many tickets because most people when I ask them to move, they move."

Quickfall says she's noticed a huge increase this year in certified, self-contained vehicles — even station wagons and small vans that most people wouldn't guess are self-contained.

"Most people wouldn't know unless you know to look for the certified self-contained sticker," she says. "I think most people are trying to do the right thing."

At the other freedom camping hot spots Quickfall hands out pamphlets and asks the non self-contained vehicles to move to Waitapu Bridge.

"Now I'll take you to have a look at Reilly Street," she says.

Quickfall has been told not to bother patrolling the area this year, and she says it's no longer a tenable job for one person.

"I see the problems at Reilly St as a separate issue to freedom camping.

"It's going to become a compliance issue, a police issue and a health and safety issue. It's a whole different issue than freedom camping now and I believe it will need to be tackled by multiple agencies."

When we pull in, I'm shocked at what I see.

It's like a huge party at the river. Over 100 vehicles are parked in the car park, on the side of the road and right down to the river's edge.

Hundreds of freedom campers are occupying the area cooking, drinking alcohol, blasting out loud music and socialising in scattered groups.

Three uncontrolled dogs roam free with no sign of the owners. A large, non-permitted fire burns at the river and several piles of rubbish are strewn throughout.

The campers are mostly polite, but it's the sheer number of them in a non-facilitated area that leaves me feeling slightly sick.

Night is falling, so we quickly head to our last stop at Waitapu Bridge.

I'm pleasantly surprised to see almost all of the freedom campers whom Quickfall moved on have parked up there for the night.

She asks three groups near the river to put out their fires. She also tells them the river is tidal so they need to move to the carpark before they go to sleep.

"I would say about 90 per cent of them are really compliant and do as they are asked," she says.

"Mostly, people just want to do the right thing."

[Akzle]

Interesting and pretty balanced (I think) article. Sourced from someone who deals with freedom campers everyday too rather than those who like to jump to conclusions. Nice for a change!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/88345009/an-evening-in-the-life-of-a-freedom-camping-enforcement-officer-in-golden-bay
über-long quote

tl:dr. cunt.

[Virago]

Interesting and pretty balanced (I think) article. Sourced from someone who deals with freedom campers everyday too rather than those who like to jump to conclusions. Nice for a change!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/88345009/an-evening-in-the-life-of-a-freedom-camping-enforcement-officer-in-golden-bay

Jeez, if you're going to do a stupendous copy and paste, at least proof-read it.

[Tazz]

Jeez, if you're going to do a stupendous copy and paste, at least proof-read it.

Or you could just click the link.

Try and do things to convenience people and what do you get, fuckin whingers every time...:laugh:

Anyway, we'll gloss over the comments about NZer's being dicks, campsites being full (so you know, used), and people taking a sneaky dump on the side of the road a non occurrence/issue as said from someone patrolling everyday.

It would be cool to have interviews like this from DoC sites and council enforcement folks from around the country to compare behavior, and also results based on the behavior of the enforcement when people are in the wrong.

[jasonu]

Interesting and pretty balanced (I think) article. Sourced from someone who deals with freedom campers everyday too rather than those who like to jump to conclusions. Nice for a change!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/88345009/an-evening-in-the-life-of-a-freedom-camping-enforcement-officer-in-golden-bay

That was a tough read...

[Tazz]

That was a tough read...

Stuff/Fairfax do seem to hire monkeys.

Regardless, from the horses mouth via a horses arse that was given a biro and some paper...

[Tazz]

Im going to try and fight it but wont hold my breath over it.

Rant/

How did you get on with this in the end mate?

[Asher]

Got out of it by sending in taxi and accommodation receipts. They emailed back saying they would waive the fine and 'don't let us catch you again' type bullshit.
Queenstown Lakes District Council can still go fuck themselves though.

[Mike.Gayner]

Queenstown Lakes District Council can still go fuck themselves though.

You're not wrong there.

Good result nonetheless - a rare moment of sense.

[Tazz]

Got out of it by sending in taxi and accommodation receipts. They emailed back saying they would waive the fine and 'don't let us catch you again' type bullshit.
Queenstown Lakes District Council can still go fuck themselves though.

Good. Mother fuckers.

Section 5: 2-C might be worth a mention for anyone in a similar position.
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2011/0061/latest/DLM3742849.html
Beer is fatiguing :D

Probably different if you're drunk in your camper, but under a jacket or whatever in a car, come on. You don't want to be there either :laugh: Would they rather people drive the streets drunk? Be interesting to get the popos opinion on tickets like that too.

[Coldrider]

As soon as the Aucklanders start complaining about the traffic jam from Frankton to Fernhill / Glenorchy turnoff roundabout the QLDC pull out the good old freedom camper issue to deflect attention. The freedom camper issue can be fixed but the traffic management can't.

[oldrider]

As soon as the Aucklanders start complaining about the traffic jam from Frankton to Fernhill / Glenorchy turnoff roundabout the QLDC pull out the good old freedom camper issue to deflect attention. The freedom camper issue can be fixed but the traffic management can't.

True! - Politics and magic work the same way - "look over there while I do this" - time honoured method still works and will amaze for generations yet to come! :lol:

[Laava]

True! - Politics and magic work the same way - "look over there while I do this" - time honoured method still works and will amaze for generations yet to come! :lol:

Was amazed today on my bike tour to see how many campers, caravans and tents are all camping on the other side of the lake from you! You are still at otematata?

[neels]

Was amazed today on my bike tour to see how many campers, caravans and tents are all camping on the other side of the lake from you! You are still at otematata?
Its very popular over there, you just need to know what the lake levels are going to do......

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[neels]

As soon as the Aucklanders start complaining about the traffic jam from Frankton to Fernhill / Glenorchy turnoff roundabout.
Not just the aucklanders, it's a right pain in the arse.


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