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skelstar
6th October 2005, 08:05
I heard on the grapevine that these fully faired version of my bike (250GT) maybe coming into the country. They are on the www.hyosungmotors.com.au site. Looks very similar to the 650R. I think they look sexy. I have seen one (650R) in black and it looks magic.

gamgee
6th October 2005, 08:46
finally something other than gn's coming into the country :niceone: and yeah they do look nice, wonder how much they'll cost, how much was your one?

Coyote
6th October 2005, 08:49
I think they look awesome. Good to see Hyosung aren't just copying the other companies and are making their own image

skelstar
6th October 2005, 08:51
I bought mine for $6000 new. support from my local has been excellent. You should expect the same from yours as they dont have a known brand that they can rely on to sell the bikes. We are the ones who promote the brand with our own experiences I guess.

I expect that worst case the bike will cost $8K. Probably $7K. I dont know for sure that they are coming into the country BTW.

Jonty
6th October 2005, 09:13
I think they will sell well here. I wonder if they weigh less than the GSX? If so, it will be a good alternative to the ageing inline 4's.

GR81
6th October 2005, 09:14
thats a VERY nice looking bike!

(the GSX is a 2cyl, not inline4 ;))

skelstar
6th October 2005, 09:28
I think they will sell well here. I wonder if they weigh less than the GSX? If so, it will be a good alternative to the ageing inline 4's.
Well I dont think you can buy GSX's new anymore. I think my bike weights about 160kg, and it looks as big as the 650GT version. Most people that comment on my bike say that it looks big. A big advantage (Im guessing) for when I go to a larger capacity bike as I will be familiar with the size, geometry and handling.

Smorg
6th October 2005, 09:34
thats a VERY nice looking bike!

(the GSX is a 2cyl, not inline4 ;))


LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :Pokey:

Coyote
6th October 2005, 09:40
The 650R is only about 500 bucks more than its naked version isn't it? So the 250R should be about the same

skelstar
6th October 2005, 09:57
The 650R is only about 500 bucks more than its naked version isn't it? So the 250R should be about the same
The 650R is $1000 more than the naked, but *apparently* Hyosung announced that the 650 naked is now $7999 (down from $8995) and the 650R is $9999.
:niceone:

Krayy
6th October 2005, 10:07
The 650R is $1000 more than the naked, but *apparently* Hyosung announced that the 650 naked is now $7999 (down from $8995) and the 650R is $9999.
:niceone:
I'd be interested in looking at the 650S if they end up bringing that in. Looks da bomb,

Str8 Jacket
6th October 2005, 10:07
finally something other than gn's coming into the country

:laugh: hehe, while waiting at Caltex for everyone on Sunday there were at least 3 red 250 Comets on the forecourt at once . . . remember that Skelstar? :eyepoke:

skelstar
6th October 2005, 10:11
I'd be interested in looking at the 650S if they end up bringing that in. Looks da bomb,
Apparenlty (again - I dont want to sound like I know what Im talking about) they arent going to bring in the semi-faried one. You can buy bracket/cap thingies to turn the fully faired 650R into an 'S'. About $89/side. Maybe. Dont quote me :).

skelstar
6th October 2005, 10:12
:laugh: hehe, while waiting at Caltex for everyone on Sunday there were at least 3 red 250 Comets on the forecourt at once . . . remember that Skelstar? :eyepoke:
Indeed I do. Still had the silly mudguards attached though :).

Str8 Jacket
6th October 2005, 10:20
Indeed I do. Still had the silly mudguards attached though :).

hehe, I didn't notice that! : :cool:

Jonty
6th October 2005, 10:29
Indeed I do. Still had the silly mudguards attached though :).

Yep, but they had those nasty yellow L mudguards removed :niceone:

nudemetalz
6th October 2005, 10:38
How much horsies do the 250's put out ?

hyorider1
10th October 2005, 11:25
I bought mine for $6000 new.

Hey skelstar, you mind answering a few questions about your 250R here...

http://korider.com/PHP-Nuke/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=215

..about your 250R? Lots of interest in that bike. Not many bikes that size look so good.

skelstar
10th October 2005, 11:38
[korider] I had a look and it looks like they know as much as I do. I know how much they will be sold for now, but i might wait until its official before saying anything. I dont want to put the bike shops at a disadvantage. Mine is the nekid version and not the 250R anyway.

[nudemtlz] I am pretty sure mine puts out 27.5hp. Dont know i thats rear-wheel or engine. Of course you have the v-twin torque as well (apparently). Its good (so far) for about 140km/h, have beaten an FXGT trying hard, but been beaten by a Golf GTi trying very hard off the lights. The bikes run much better after being run in as well. The running in period was quite good for when I was learning at the same time. So by the time you have some skills, youre bike is good to go.

skelstar
10th October 2005, 12:02
Checkout this pic that I found (actually been around for a while).

MrMelon
10th October 2005, 12:11
Looks like that bike in the pic's got an nc30 swingarm and rear wheel.

spada
10th October 2005, 14:22
Just had a look at the hyosung site. Yeah looks very cool. I was talking to a shop and they said around $7500, I think, don't qoute me on that. (my memory would have to worst of any body you know) What was this post about again? :sweatdrop

dry weight 155kg

go to the site for the rest of the specs.

Should waste a vtr though. Hmm.. the spada, no chance ha ha :D

skelstar
10th October 2005, 14:24
Just had a look at the hyosung site. Yeah looks very cool. I was talking to a shop and they said around $7500, I think, don't qoute me on that. (my memory would have to worst of any body you know) What was this post about again? :sweatdrop
dry weight 155kg
go to the site for the rest of the specs.
Should waste a vtr though. Hmm.. the spada, no chance ha ha :D
Yeah...umm...I heard that its a LOT cheaper than that. Not cheaper than the nekid version of course but...

nudemetalz
10th October 2005, 15:41
Just had a look at the hyosung site. Yeah looks very cool. I was talking to a shop and they said around $7500, I think, don't qoute me on that. (my memory would have to worst of any body you know) What was this post about again? :sweatdrop

dry weight 155kg

go to the site for the rest of the specs.

Should waste a vtr though. Hmm.. the spada, no chance ha ha :D

Hmm,.......my VT (R) is reputed to put out around 43 ponies at the crank...dunno what that's at the back wheel, but it blows away the NZ.

I feel a race up to 100km/h (legal of course) coming on.........

gamgee
10th October 2005, 15:55
and vt250f puts out 45hp so yeah maybe hyosung have gone for a tuned down v twin for reliability or something?

skelstar
10th October 2005, 16:10
and vt250f puts out 45hp so yeah maybe hyosung have gone for a tuned down v twin for reliability or something?
It will be something like that. A bike maker starting out is not going to want to make motors that are even slightly unreliable.

k14
10th October 2005, 16:17
and vt250f puts out 45hp so yeah maybe hyosung have gone for a tuned down v twin for reliability or something?
you're dreaming mate, not even a cbr250 puts that out at the wheel. more like 30hp or so. I used to have a vt250f, top indicated speed was 160, so definately capable of 150+. Cool bikes too. That hyosung looks not too bad either, definately gonna sell big on the learner market.

Dafe
10th October 2005, 16:18
Look Skelstar, The only way to beat the curse of the SV Thou, Is to buy one! :devil2:

skelstar
10th October 2005, 16:33
Look Skelstar, The only way to beat the curse of the SV Thou, Is to buy one! :devil2:
Or make sure I ride around with two of you guys there at the same time.:)

I think I might hold on to my bike for a while eh...get a nice can for it and a flyscreen (Buell S1 Lightning). Its clearly quick enough to get into trouble :devil2:.

nudemetalz
10th October 2005, 16:45
you're dreaming mate, not even a cbr250 puts that out at the wheel. more like 30hp or so. I used to have a vt250f, top indicated speed was 160, so definately capable of 150+. Cool bikes too. That hyosung looks not too bad either, definately gonna sell big on the learner market.

I ain't dreaming 'cause, I don't actually believe it myself, but that's what Honda claims (at the crank, not back wheel), not me ;)
http://www.motorbikes.be/en/Honda/1987/VT%20250%20F/

But, more to the point, be interesting to see how they compare for power, real-world riding power that is.

gamgee
10th October 2005, 16:45
you're dreaming mate, not even a cbr250 puts that out at the wheel. more like 30hp or so. I used to have a vt250f, top indicated speed was 160, so definately capable of 150+. Cool bikes too. That hyosung looks not too bad either, definately gonna sell big on the learner market.

i didn't say at the wheels, and top indicated speed is actually 180, and mines been up to 175 (although not by me) and the speedo is probably inacurate at that high a speed, it's 33 hp at the rear wheel

nudemetalz
10th October 2005, 17:07
i didn't say at the wheels, and top indicated speed is actually 180, and mines been up to 175 (although not by me) and the speedo is probably inacurate at that high a speed, it's 33 hp at the rear wheel

I would agree with you there.

The VT250Fs are not that slow and the later VTR's were quite detuned apparently, as well as losing a cog in the 'box.

But the GT250R's are definitely a great looking machine.

k14
10th October 2005, 18:23
I would agree with you there.

The VT250Fs are not that slow and the later VTR's were quite detuned apparently, as well as losing a cog in the 'box.

But the GT250R's are definitely a great looking machine.
Yeah agree there, had an 87 model and I'm pretty sure that was down on a bit of power (smoked a fair amount) but still went pretty well. Awesome bike to learn on, cheap to crash too. Crap front brakes though, stupid inboard rotor system.

P.S. Wasn't aiming my other comment at you mate, just putting the guy I quoted straight. :headbang:

gamgee
10th October 2005, 18:28
P.S. Wasn't aiming my other comment at you mate, just putting the guy I quoted straight. :headbang:

don't want to start a fight here, but what do you mean putting me straight? you were the one that assumed i meant at the wheels, as i said above it's 33hp at the wheels, 45hp at the crank, i have done my research on this bike, oh but the one thing i haven't found out, is how to fix the dodgy fuel pump in these, before it breaks and causes the engine to eat itself, anyone know? (sorry about the thread hijack but at least we're still talking about v twins :niceone: )

k14
10th October 2005, 18:35
don't want to start a fight here, but what do you mean putting me straight? you were the one that assumed i meant at the wheels, as i said above it's 33hp at the wheels, 45hp at the crank, i have done my research on this bike, oh but the one thing i haven't found out, is how to fix the dodgy fuel pump in these, before it breaks and causes the engine to eat itself, anyone know? (sorry about the thread hijack but at least we're still talking about v twins :niceone: )
Nah sorry mate, no way the engine makes 45hp anywhere (maybe if you hooked it up to nos). I'd say its 35hp at the crank, 33 wheel. Normally the losses from crank to wheel are around 5% so that would be 2 or 3hp in this case. :done:

skelstar
10th October 2005, 18:38
Regardless its a bit more power than the Hyosung then. Hmm.. :)

Bren_chch
10th October 2005, 18:55
33 at the wheel... what have you done to it, standard spec is a huge 25 at the wheel! :apumpin:

limbimtimwim
10th October 2005, 18:55
don't want to start a fight here, but what do you mean putting me straight? you were the one that assumed i meant at the wheels, as i said above it's 33hp at the wheels, 45hp at the crank, i have done my research on this bike, oh but the one thing i haven't found out, is how to fix the dodgy fuel pump in these, before it breaks and causes the engine to eat itself, anyone know? (sorry about the thread hijack but at least we're still talking about v twins :niceone: )Look at the blue line. From http://www.rooracing.com/Vtr250.jpg This is of couse the post '98 VTR250. But the engines are mostly the same. They do have cosmetic differences though.

Most likely 33 'ps' .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsepower#PS

limbimtimwim
10th October 2005, 19:04
Should waste a vtr though. Hmm.. the spada, no chance ha ha :DYou wait till the December E<->W sprints matey.

You too Skelstar.. ;-)

skelstar
10th October 2005, 19:06
You wait till the December E<->W sprints matey.
You too Skelstar.. ;-)
Yo I seen your game! (sorry watching 2fast2furious).

madboy
10th October 2005, 19:16
Its clearly quick enough to get into trouble :devil2:.Just not quick enough to get outta trouble... :chase:

skelstar
10th October 2005, 19:19
Just not quick enough to get outta trouble... :chase:
Didnt mean YOUR kinda trouble.

gamgee
10th October 2005, 19:24
Look at the blue line. From http://www.rooracing.com/Vtr250.jpg This is of couse the post '98 VTR250. But the engines are mostly the same. They do have cosmetic differences though.

Most likely 33 'ps' .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsepower#PS

i've got the site i got the specs from at uni, i'll post it tommorow, but the vt250f redlines at 12500rpm not 11000 as in that dyno test

gamgee
10th October 2005, 19:28
found the specs for the vt250fe, it was PS, just about to read the difference with ps...
although this one only reports it as 40ps but i'm sure i read 45 for the vt250f:
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~et7t-tum/mc/vt250fe-spece.html

gamgee
10th October 2005, 19:31
so i figure that means it's 39.4hp at the crank at the minimum sorry the other figures were just from memory and haha they were obviously a bit wrong

k14
10th October 2005, 19:38
so i figure that means it's 39.4hp at the crank at the minimum sorry the other figures were just from memory and haha they were obviously a bit wrong
Yeah that figure is still way inflated. That dyno chart looks about right, 29 crank and 25 at the wheel.

fishb8nz
10th October 2005, 19:50
Excuse my ignorance, but I've meaning to bring this up, at some point. What does PS mean, is it HP? Not Kw.
Welcome the elucidation.

gamgee
10th October 2005, 20:25
Yeah that figure is still way inflated. That dyno chart looks about right, 29 crank and 25 at the wheel.
that dyno chart is for a vtr which has a redline 1500rpm below the vt250f! and doesn't a dyno measure the power at the wheel anyway? I stand by 40ps as they are only slightly less powerfull than a cbr and slower due to being bigger and heavier than a cbr. anyway, i'm not getting heated over this it's a good debate for once! :apumpin:
and the difference between hp and ps is described here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsepower#PS

gamgee
10th October 2005, 20:30
just had a read on some other forums and aparently the new vtr put out 25hp whereas the old vt250f's put out 43hp

gamgee
10th October 2005, 20:37
from here:
http://www.cybersportbike.com/2/breviews/honda/hondamisc.htm



* Bike: Honda VT250F
* Name: David
* Year Of Bike: 1988
* Miles: 20 000
* Rating: 9
* Date: Tuesday, October 08, 2002

Mods

F1R RACE EXHAUST,uni racing filter
Carberation

sleeps untill 7000 rpm,then theres about 40-45 hp on the back wheel,and can rev to 14 ,500 very grunty and zippy when its cold ,its a little rattly,but when its warm it purrs like a pussy does 120 mph (200 km/hr)
Brakes

brakes are ok,inboard front disc works well
Handling

good suspension,steering good,good for high speeds
Comments

awesome!!!i can keep up with a FZR400 or a CBR250RR and race against the boyracers and kick their ass


some of it sounds a bit suss, but i everywhere i look there are reports of the vt250f producing 40+hp

spada
10th October 2005, 20:39
Yeah...umm...I heard that its a LOT cheaper than that. Not cheaper than the nekid version of course but...

True had a stuip moment. 6500 sounds better if the GT costs 5995. Sorry I can't add :dodge:

Well it will probably be cheaper if the price of the GT has been reduced, but I'm pretty sure he told me the GTR would be 500 more then the GT. So if the GT only costs 4995 then the GTR will cost 5495.

I'd pay the extra if I wanted a faired 250 bike cause you get so much more.

gamgee
10th October 2005, 20:39
sorry i'm not going to let this die, heres another one:
http://www.250ccbikes.com/thelist.html
says around 40hp

sAsLEX
10th October 2005, 20:39
the old vt250f's put out 43hp

maybe if the dyno was on weed and the bike on nitro!

gamgee
10th October 2005, 20:42
maybe if the dyno was on weed and the bike on nitro!
well if you can find a site that reports anything less than 40hp for the VT250F i'd like to see it, because in all the searching i've done i haven't seen one!

Bonez
10th October 2005, 20:46
I heard on the grapevine that these fully faired version of my bike (250GT) maybe coming into the country. They are on the www.hyosungmotors.com.au site. Looks very similar to the 650R. I think they look sexy. I have seen one (650R) in black and it looks magic.Road test of the nikked one here - http://www.onewheeldrive.net/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=351&Itemid=126

spada
10th October 2005, 20:48
says around 40hp

Can't really believe that. Honda only ever said that the spada made 35hp at the crank. You sure about that figure?

CBR's only are claimed at making 45 hp and as a rule of thumb the more cyclinders there are the more power that will be made.

As for the 0-100 comment earlier, sure your on. Make sure your at the sprints in November though so everything can be timed.

k14
10th October 2005, 20:49
well if you can find a site that reports anything less than 40hp for the VT250F i'd like to see it, because in all the searching i've done i haven't seen one!
Yeah I found one, go to here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=373724#post373724)

Mate get you're bike dynoed so then we can see that it puts out 40hp. They are all talking porkies, only way a VT250 is going to do 200kph is if it's thrown out of a plane at 10 thousand feet.

gamgee
10th October 2005, 20:51
They are all talking porkies, only way a VT250 is going to do 200kph is if it's thrown out of a plane at 10 thousand feet.
that part i agree with

gamgee
10th October 2005, 20:52
Yeah I found one, go to here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=373724#post373724)
what do you mean go there it just links to one of my posts

k14
10th October 2005, 21:03
what do you mean go there it just links to one of my posts
You wanted me to link to a site that says the vt has less than 40hp. So i did :done:

gamgee
10th October 2005, 21:15
what do you mean go there it just links to one of my posts
no i said vt250f i even put it in bold letters

Bren_chch
10th October 2005, 21:20
i'm telling u the 'F' model has 25hp at the wheel!! :psst:

gamgee
10th October 2005, 21:23
i'm telling u the 'F' model has 25hp at the wheel!! :psst:
what proof do you have, as all i'm seeing over and over from all these different websites is 40+hp

Bren_chch
10th October 2005, 21:25
40+hp thats so bull, show me ur links to these 40+ dyno charts! :whistle:

gamgee
10th October 2005, 21:27
you show me your dyno chart for an f model showing 25hp!!! i've posted three sites already that claim 40+hp no one has posted a single site to the contrary, and until they do i'll be claiming 40hp as well

Bren_chch
10th October 2005, 21:28
post that link here to the 40+hp dyno report.

gamgee
10th October 2005, 21:31
when an sr250 is 23hp, which i've ridden/ owned, the vt250f would easily be twice as powerfull as the sr250 i'd say your full of shit claiming only 25hp, maybe the new vtr's are that weak, but the older vt's went far harder than the new ones, if your to lazy to go back and read my previous posts then thats your problem

gamgee
10th October 2005, 21:32
and if you find somewhere for me in dunedin to get the bike dyno tested i'll go and do it (so long as it's not to expensive) as i can see it's the only way we are going to settle this

k14
10th October 2005, 21:34
when an sr250 is 23hp, which i've ridden/ owned, the vt250f would easily be twice as powerfull as the sr250 i'd say your full of shit claiming only 25hp, maybe the new vtr's are that weak, but the older vt's went far harder than the new ones, if your to lazy to go back and read my previous posts then thats your problem
Mate you don't have a clue what you're talking about. A VT250 doesn't have 40hp anywhere, only way you could do it is to hook up 15 extra horses to help tow it (if you don't understand that its because 1 horse = 1hp, so you take the 25hp it already has and then add the 15 horses to get 40hp) ok you get that? :rofl:

Bren_chch
10th October 2005, 21:34
no need to get personal... I just think that 40+ is not possible from a factory 'f' model and untill you show me a dyno print out of ANY 'f' model i'll always think that.

:bash: :ar15:

gamgee
10th October 2005, 21:35
here's a dyno for a gsxf250 which isn't as powerfull as the vt250f:
http://www.rooracing.com/250Across.JPG

k14
10th October 2005, 21:38
here's a dyno for a gsxf250 which isn't as powerfull as the vt250f:
http://www.rooracing.com/250Across.JPG
No its actually a ZX2R, which is more powerful than a vt250, you can see it goes to just on 30hp making it about 5hp more than your vt.

gamgee
10th October 2005, 21:39
no need to get personal... I just think that 40+ is not possible from a factory 'f' model and untill you show me a dyno print out of ANY 'f' model i'll always think that.

:bash: :ar15:
not getting personal, just getting sick of people going rarr rarr rarr, it's not possible and yet i'm the only one posting spec sites claiming actual figures

gamgee
10th October 2005, 21:40
No its actually a ZX2R, which is more powerful than a vt250, you can see it goes to just on 30hp making it about 5hp more than your vt.
read the dyno properly the pic is there for no reason, the test was actually done on a gsxf250 across

gamgee
10th October 2005, 21:42
heres the zxr250 dyno, and if it's 5hp more than a vt250f that makes the vt250f pretty close to 40hp :Pokey:
http://www.rooracing.com/Zxr250.jpg

k14
10th October 2005, 21:48
heres the zxr250 dyno, and if it's 5hp more than a vt250f that makes the vt250f pretty close to 40hp :Pokey:
http://www.rooracing.com/Zxr250.jpg
I said its a ZX2R not a ZXR250, there is a difference. ZX2R is a parallel twin and the ZXR250 is a inline 4. The VT250 probably makes the most torque out of the lot (being a vtwin) but makes the least power. You'll never convince me that a vt250 has much over 30hp let alone 40hp. Its just a fact of life. Hell the nsr250's only came with about 50hp out of the factory and thats a 2 stroke. A 4 stroke is lucky to make half the power of a 2 stroke at the same capacity.

gamgee
10th October 2005, 21:50
I said its a ZX2R not a ZXR250, there is a difference.
well it's the same bike in both photos...

gamgee
10th October 2005, 21:55
anyway enough of arguing over the finer details of the vt250f, basically it comes down to: twins are way cooler than singles and fours (or threes and sixes for those that like to be really different)

skelstar
10th October 2005, 21:57
anyway enough of arguing over the finer details of the vt250f, basically it comes down to: twins are way cooler than singles and fours (or threes and sixes for those that like to be really different)
Amen (10 chars)

gav
10th October 2005, 22:33
I think all you fella's should stop pissing around with girlie 250's and buy my CBR600F (105hp according to the Honda brochure :psst: )
specs VT250FE 35hp (http://www.tar.hu/vt/specs_en.htm)

AS for this info....who the hell calls their bike David????

* Bike: Honda VT250F
* Name: David
* Year Of Bike: 1988
* Miles: 20 000
* Rating: 9
* Date: Tuesday, October 08, 2002

Mods

F1R RACE EXHAUST,uni racing filter
Carberation

sleeps untill 7000 rpm,then theres about 40-45 hp on the back wheel,and can rev to 14 ,500 very grunty and zippy when its cold ,its a little rattly,but when its warm it purrs like a pussy does 120 mph (200 km/hr)
Brakes

brakes are ok,inboard front disc works well
Handling

good suspension,steering good,good for high speeds
Comments

awesome!!!i can keep up with a FZR400 or a CBR250RR and race against the boyracers and kick their ass

limbimtimwim
10th October 2005, 22:39
what proof do you have, as all i'm seeing over and over from all these different websites is 40+hpYour own link ( http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~et7t-tum/mc/vt250fe-spece.html ) says 40ps. ps is a little less than horsepower.

Weird shit happened when the '98 VTR250 was born. They moved max torque down, and lost horsepower..

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.honda.co.jp/factbook/motor/VTR/19971100/index.html See 'principal statistics' .

I do know a VT(R)250 that does 210kph however.. MINE!!

http://www.cdd.co.nz/sprint/EastWestSprintResultsSep2005.htm

I am bike 13.













They didn't calculate that correctly...

limbimtimwim
10th October 2005, 22:49
AS for this info....who the hell calls their bike David????That is weird
i can keep up with a FZR400 or a CBR250RR and race against the boyracers and kick their assThis person is obviously a few slices short of a sandwich. And they called their bike Dave. Would depend on that CBR/FZR rider. I mean, I passed a GSXR1100 going up the 'takas last week. That doesn't mean I can keep I can keep up with Velox on her 250 Jade.. Hell. No.

David... Why don't I just call mine 'Matthew' or something? Hmm.. I think I'm going to pop off to the shed to clean Matthew. Have a sit on Matthew. Paint Matthew bright red and pretend it's a Ducati Monster S4...

nudemetalz
11th October 2005, 06:05
210km/h out of a VT or VTR ?????

hmmm,...I had an FE model (the half-faired twin piper) and I got an indicated 175km/h on a long straight after a bit of effort.
I've got the FG up to 160 but I don't think there's a lot left, prob get the same top speed,..but wouldn't be able to get anywhere near 200...it ain't an NSR !!

gav
11th October 2005, 06:16
Those time trial results are cocked up big time, that 1998 VTR250 that shows as 210km/h, you've changed that or what? Look at the times you've recorded
"11.33, 10.47, 11.64" I guess this is seconds to do a flying 1/4 mile? Well check out the CBR400RR below yours, he's in the 7 second bracket but his speed is shown as 197.6 km/h!

limbimtimwim
11th October 2005, 12:23
Those time trial results are cocked up big time, that 1998 VTR250 that shows as 210km/h, you've changed that or what? Look at the times you've recorded
"11.33, 10.47, 11.64" I guess this is seconds to do a flying 1/4 mile? Well check out the CBR400RR below yours, he's in the 7 second bracket but his speed is shown as 197.6 km/h!I know!! I was being silly :-)

I calulated it here

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=373829&postcount=146

spada
11th October 2005, 16:40
I said its a ZX2R not a ZXR250, there is a difference. ZX2R is a parallel twin and the ZXR250 is a inline 4. The VT250 probably makes the most torque out of the lot (being a vtwin) but makes the least power. You'll never convince me that a vt250 has much over 30hp let alone 40hp. Its just a fact of life. Hell the nsr250's only came with about 50hp out of the factory and thats a 2 stroke. A 4 stroke is lucky to make half the power of a 2 stroke at the same capacity.

They actually only made 45hp. Japan restricts bikes to a certain hp rating depending on size and classification. Thus the NSR makes the same amount of power as a cbr from the factory.

Before you all start throwing things at me :dodge: this is only in Japan not anywhere else. Everywhere else they deristrict so up with the power.

I'll find the old manufactuers annual and see if I can find the power rating to end this once and for all.

What could have been done is that the bikes could have run on a car dyno (It can be done). This means that a different formula has been used by the computer to give corrected figures.

Corrected means that the calculated loss of the drive train has been added to the back wheel power. If it was run on a car dyno the wrong loss will have been added as cars lose anything from 30% to 60% through their drive trains. :thud:

Hopefully I'll find that book. Whats the bike in question that has "40hp".

gamgee
11th October 2005, 16:44
if you could post the 3 main vt types that would be awesome:
vt250
vtr250
vt250f (which has subtypes such as e and g)

nudemetalz
11th October 2005, 18:33
if you could post the 3 main vt types that would be awesome:
vt250
vtr250
vt250f (which has subtypes such as e and g)

Well from what I've read about VT250's (I'm on my 2nd one) this is what I believe.
(hp rated at the crank BTW)

VT250FD (1983-84) - 35hp
VT250FE,FF,F2 (1985-86 twin piper) - 40hp
VT250FG, VTR250 Interceptor (1986-1989) - 42hp

VT250 Spada (1989) - 34hp (was derated)

VTR250 (199? - current) - 32 hp (latest model may have a bit more)

Now before you all get stuck into me and tell me to pull my head in, this is the CRANK-RATING not back wheel and also this is from research off the net.


Cheers
Chris