Fair cop?

[Ocean1]

"US movie studios accuse NZ internet users of flocking to piracy sites"

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/88210260/us-movie-studios-accuse-nz-internet-users-of-flocking-to-piracy-sites

Now, would that have anything to do with the differences in prices those studios charge these filthy thieving Kiwis?

When US companies stop using Kiwis to subsidise their home markets then they might have a point, until then: Fuckem.

[Akzle]

dude, economoney.
if you don't like the product at the price, don't buy it. no excuse to resort to illegal thievery. :tsktsk:
shame on you.

[Madness]

You think a slightly higher price here with a population of ~4 million would have an effect on prices in a market of ~322 million? :scratch:

[jasonu]

You think a slightly higher price here with a population of ~4 million would have an effect on prices in a market of ~322 million? :scratch:

They are not in the business of producing movies so a bunch of cheap cunts can watch them for free.

[puddytat]

Most American films are either schmalzig , or a team America wank fest.
Or porn.

[Madness]

They are not in the business of producing movies so a bunch of thieving black cunts can watch them for free.

Edited for accuracy.

[Mike.Gayner]

I pirate everything I watch. Because it's free and easy, really no other reason than that.

Step 1: Build a list of all the TV shows you want on showrss.info.

Step 2: Plus the generated RSS feed into your torrent software of choice.

Step 3: Enjoy watching your TV shows that are automatically downloaded at the moment of release.

[WristTwister]

Maybe less people would pirate if we had the same Netflix and HBO offerings here in NZ at the same price as the US market.

Not to single out Sky but Sky forces customers to buy a lot of content they never watch when most customers buy sky for 3 things - SoHo, Sport, and Movies.

But we also don't get pursued for illegal downloads of movies or tv shows in NZ, only music. If you can walk into JB Hifi and walk out with a boxset each day and never get stopped by security, many people would keep doing it. It's the "it's only illegal if I can get caught" mentality.

[TheDemonLord]

Maybe less people would pirate if we had the same Netflix and HBO offerings here in NZ at the same price as the US market.

Not to single out Sky but Sky forces customers to buy a lot of content they never watch when most customers buy sky for 3 things - SoHo, Sport, and Movies.

This.

If you put artificial barriers in place to try and increase your profit margin, you can't complain when people subvert those artificial barriers.

[R650R]

until then: Fuckem.

Bet your attitude would be different if some Chinese outfit copied some engineering design of yours and started mass producing it and taking away work and revenue from you?

Just because its easy and 'everyone else is doing it' doesn't make it right. With our own talent here for films singing and acting, film locations we should be moving to really protect digital content.
Judging by reaction I got at work mentioning I paid to watch an iTunes film it seems pirating is rife here...

Awhile ago I had some young Bimbo steal one of my photos and pass it off as her own on her website, F me if she didn't then straight out justify it by saying someone else had already used it and she took it from there.
Had a business opportunity so very politely explained and educated her, then F Me again if she's got another one of mine and playing the dumb card again.

Yeah we've all copied films at times be it VHS DVD or online but don't ever try and justify it as being right in any way, unless its porn as then your only short changing the pimp, the sheilas already gotten what shes going to get out of the deal lol....

[pritch]

Kim Dot Com has said it several times, if the studios released the movie simultaniously world wide for a fair price, piracy would all but disappear.

Chris Dodd's days might be numbered. He is the spokesman for the MPA and a life long bestie of the US Vice Prez, but Joe Biden only has a couple of weeks left in the job.

The US movie and music industries actually tried to ban all future technology a year or two back. They tried to ban cassette tapes way back, and they've been at it ever since. The problem isn't piracy, it's their out of date business model.

Now they are opposed to "fair use"? Dunno why, fair use exists in the US of A and has done for a very long time. We don't have it here. As I understand it, in this country the music industry consider that any copying of music is illegal. You can download an album from iTunes but if you make a copy to play in the car that is technically illegal in NZ. I recenty bought an import vinyl album ex USA and it came with a card containg a code that enabled a free download of the album. In essence they consider you bought the right to play the music, in this country it is considered that you bought a CD or some software. You have no rights to the music.

Looking at the list of the most pirated movies, it's no surprise who is doing the pirating. There's nothing much there I'd want to watch.

[TheDemonLord]

Now they are opposed to "fair use"? Dunno why, fair use exists in the US of A and has done for a very long time. We don't have it here. As I understand it, in this country the music industry consider that any copying of music is illegal. You can download an album from iTunes but if you make a copy to play in the car that is technically illegal in NZ. I recenty bought an import vinyl album ex USA and it came with a card containg a code that enabled a free download of the album. In essence they consider you bought the right to play the music, in this country it is considered that you bought a CD or some software. You have no rights to the music.

Looking at the list of the most pirated movies, it's no surprise who is doing the pirating. There's nothing much there I'd want to watch.

That's not Fair use though....

The biggest issue is relatively few people know what constitutes Fair Use.

[Swoop]

Couple this with the simple fact of "Not available in your country" when you go to subscribe to a service.

If they don't want to provide their product in this country, expect it to be pirated from elsewhere.

[AllanB]

I had a interesting conversation with a bunch of people over xmas about this subject.

Me - I've always been against piracy of music or films - maybe because of my own artistic interests. Don;t really know. I don't mind paying for something good someone has made.

It will only get worst - young people and technology just expect everything to be available free on their devices.

[FJRider]

You think a slightly higher price here with a population of ~4 million would have an effect on prices in a market of ~322 million? :scratch:

Roughly 1.3% of the US take .. given the higher fees charged here ... I would be happy to "survive" on that amount as my only income.

[jasonu]

I pirate everything I watch. Because it's free and easy, really no other reason than that.

Step 1: Build a list of all the TV shows you want on showrss.info.

Step 2: Plus the generated RSS feed into your torrent software of choice.

Step 3: Enjoy watching your TV shows that are automatically downloaded at the moment of release.

That says a lot about you dunnit. Thief.

[Motu]

Motorcyclists - used to be we were always on the wrong side of the law...and loving it. Now they are government/big business fearing do gooders. What happened to rebelion...did it buy a Honda ?

[awayatc]

Loyalty..

2 way street....

Get fucked.

Mind you ....

Fuck TV

[Ocean1]

You think a slightly higher price here with a population of ~4 million would have an effect on prices in a market of ~322 million? :scratch:

Well yes, it does. So does the massively higher prices HP, Apple, Microsoft et al charge anywhere outside the US subsidise their domestic market.


If you put artificial barriers in place to try and increase your profit margin, you can't complain when people subvert those artificial barriers.

Correct. If the market wasn't artificially distorted there'd be competing suppliers regulating the price.


Bet your attitude would be different if some Chinese outfit copied some engineering design of yours and started mass producing it and taking away work and revenue from you?

The only time that happened it was an American company. And by the time they had their copy on the market it my later design made it redundant.

Patents? Who gives a fuck?


Yeah we've all copied films at times be it VHS DVD or online but don't ever try and justify it as being right in any way, unless its porn as then your only short changing the pimp, the sheilas already gotten what shes going to get out of the deal lol....

Actually I don't believe I have. Yet.

It's on the agenda though, since I have a brand new head unit in the van which won't play with any media I own, and since apparently what I originally paid for when I purchased Ogden's Nut Gone Flake on vinyl was the rights to use the artists property...

[Gremlin]

Well yes, it does. So does the massively higher prices HP, Apple, Microsoft et al charge anywhere outside the US subsidise the domestic market.
Conversely, the likes of Microsoft sell software very cheaply in say, India, because of the massive piracy issues. Sell it so cheap people consider buying it legally. So... they know exactly how things work and simply do whatever suits them best, then cry when it doesn't go their way. Given the eye watering prices (we sell Microsoft licences to our clients) I really don't feel sorry for them (especially when each version gets worse).

Copyright, relatively easy link to follow: https://www.consumer.org.nz/articles/copyright-law

[James Deuce]

Bet your attitude would be different if some Chinese outfit copied some engineering design of yours and started mass producing it and taking away work and revenue from you?


Not how the entertainment industry model works. The product is completely paid for and profitable when it is released. Except for Cinema release-only movies, which is a rapidly disappearing model. Most distributors with a brain are going Cinema + VOD at the same time. What we're paying for as end users is distribution rights, and as we all know with Sky, THAT is where the real theft happens.

[TheDemonLord]

That says a lot about you dunnit. Thief.

If there was a subscription service that was as easy as the above, people would pay for it.

I currently have Netflix - but I still torrent the occasional show because it isn't available in Netflix, or at least it's not available in NZ (and my VPN is playing up), or it's an exclusive title licenced to a rival company.

All of which is nice, but I don't care - I want a single portal, where I can consume all the content I want to consume - I'm happy to pay a reasonable fee for such a service.

This is where the artificial barriers come into it.

[onearmedbandit]

Conversely, the likes of Microsoft sell software very cheaply in say, India, because of the massive piracy issues. Sell it so cheap people consider buying it legally. So... they know exactly how things work and simply do whatever suits them best, then cry when it doesn't go their way. Given the eye watering prices (we sell Microsoft licences to our clients) I really don't feel sorry for them (especially when each version gets worse).

Copyright, relatively easy link to follow: https://www.consumer.org.nz/articles/copyright-law

A friend of mine who is in IT spoke to a Microsoft rep a number of years ago about people using stolen versions of their OS, his response was "we don't care about the end user stealing our product, we'd rather them stealing and using ours rather than using any other OS'. However he made it clear they actively pursue the outfits selling large quantities of their property.

[Ocean1]

A friend of mine who is in IT spoke to a Microsoft rep a number of years ago about people using stolen versions of their OS, his response was "we don't care about the end user stealing our product, we'd rather them stealing and using ours rather than using any other OS'.

Which is presumably why every iteration of their OS includes compatibility issues with competing app's. It's that anti-competitive behaviour that irks, and it's the usual validation for bypassing their market restrictions.

Autodesk maintained a monopoly in draughting app's for a couple of decades by continually releasing new versions that were not only incompatible with competing app's file protocols but weren't reverse compatible with their own products. The competition got gradually better and ACad got progressively mired in more and more dead-end market driven changes. You could almost see the inevitable result coming: their market share went from 60% and slowly falling to complete collapse almost overnight. Now they're almost irrelevant.

[Gremlin]

Autodesk maintained a monopoly in draughting app's for a couple of decades by continually releasing new versions that were not only compatible with competing app's file protocols but weren't reverse compatible with their own products. The competition got gradually better and ACad got progressively mired in more and more dead-end market driven changes. You could almost see the inevitable result coming: their market share went from 60% and slowly falling to complete collapse almost overnight. Now they're almost irrelevant.
Autocad has also moved to subscription-based revenue. Bastards. It's still used plenty in some sectors of industry... gotta work through that with a client...

[Akzle]

Which is presumably why every iteration of their OS includes compatibility issues .

no that's just cos they're shit at code.

[scumdog]

Fuck, you lot waste time on watching movies AND waste even more time on KB??:facepalm:

[Ocean1]

Autocad has also moved to subscription-based revenue. Bastards. It's still used plenty in some sectors of industry... gotta work through that with a client...

If any of my clients want dwgs there's at least three apps in front of me that can export them in any flavour they want. In fact at one time a significant part of my income was converting formats so my clients could read their customer's Pro-E files, (eg) in Solidworks, (eg).

That's no longer the case, the few industries still using Acad to any great extent have been a minority for years now, all of those compatibility issues built into their system are now far more of a problem for them than almost any comparable app you can buy.

Which, given the grief and extra work Autodesk has caused me over the years pleases me no end