The most dangerous things you see other riders doing on the road.

[onearmedbandit]

As suggested by cassina, lets see what us as riders perceive as being some of the more dangerous behaviour we've witnessed other riders doing.

I'll get the ball rolling:

Overtaking on blind corners. Puts the shits right up me when Ive seen this happen.
Undertaking traffic at speed in town. Also puts the shits up me.
Tailgating.

There's more but these three stood out to me the most.

[Tazz]

Leaning over the centerline while cornering.

[HenryDorsetCase]

running wide on corner exit on a left bender

as OAB says too: tailgating.

[Murray]

Passing trucks in pissing rain when you can't see a damn thing (not passing lanes)

[Gremlin]

Undertaking traffic at speed in town. Also puts the shits up me.
Tailgating.
These 2 and leaning over the centreline / cutting corners

[Laava]

Fuck where do you start! All of the above plus, and this is one thing that is dangerous for you as a following rider, overtaking traffic in such a way as to cause them to take evasive action. This includes, overtaking coming up to an intersection or corner where the overtaken vehicle is forced to slam on his brakes where they previously had no need to. Etc etc.. Once this person has been inconvenienced, they are most likely now pissed off and less likely to be considerate to the next person wanting to go past them. Which could be you!. I have stopped riding with or near certain riders because of this effect.
Speeding and needlessly overtaking in town. If you need to go fast, for fuck sake do it away from everyone else! I guess sometimes when it is for the sake of showing off that it is only done near or around other people.

[Katman]

I've had motorcyclists go to great length to try hiding faults on their bike when they come in for a WOF.

Wiping up leaking fork seals is the most common one - especially funny when they forget to wipe off the oil that's made it's way onto the brake pads and disc.

[caspernz]

Overtaking dangerously. My truck is 23 metres long yet some Harley riders still think they can scoot past as if it's the length of a car :brick:

Tailgating. The number of times I've seen a rider get showered with stuff chucked up by 32 tyres on the deck... :rolleyes:

Cornering incorrectly. So your little bike needs to be 4 inches inside the centerline, yet you wanna hang your body into my lane? Learn how to ride buddy! :wacko:

Lane splitting at speed. Yeah it's fun when we're cruising along the motorway and a biker wants to duck and dive between other traffic at 30 km/h or more than the traffic. Hope they're organ donors :oi-grr:

Overtaking as a group. So you think it's a good idea to tailgate your mate thru an overtake? Mmmm, I'd be making my own decision thanks :lol:

Ducking out onto the road in front of trucks. All sweet for a sports bike rider who is onto it, but not so flash for others...yeah I only weigh 50 tonne...so roll the dice if you wish :mad:

Speeding can be dicey, for one of the crashes I arrived at shortly after it happened, the guy had been outriding his stopping distance by such a margin...it was straight into a pine box for him.

There will be other circumstances, but the above is my 5 cents for today.

[ellipsis]

...Just about every indiscretion I see on the highways and roads from other riders usually rates a grimace at the action, but knowing that on my way to being an experienced rider, I have to acknowledge that I have been guilty of them all at some stage and got away with it... The things that get me the most though are the riders who have no clothes on and helmets that are not really helmets at all, swinging off their steeds like they are the only cunts out there...they must even embarrass their mothers...

[EJK]

Overtaking while on coming traffic inbound, then pulling back into left lane 1 second before a head on crash.

Egotistic sportbike riders, cruiser riders who think their bikes can go faster than an R1, trying to keep up with their riding buddy etc.

[onearmedbandit]

The situation you describe is often due to group riders under pressure to keep up. I have seen that many times.

Probably not the correct thread for it, but seeing as you've brought it up. Would you consider that in some of the situations you've seen that it might not be pressure every time but also possibly ego? In group rides I've been on where there has been some spirited riding, knowing the riders as I do, there is no pressure at all for anyone to keep up. But sometimes there has been ego. I have no problem admitting I ride often above the limit, I don't own a sportsbike for doing 100km/h, but I have no interest in the ego bullshit myself, there's no prizes for arriving at your destination first on the road.

Some may argue that I'm splitting hairs. But what I get from you when you talk about pressure to keep up is that of a rider who rides in fear of not keeping up, for example what others may think of them. Ego on the other hand is wanting to be the first to arrive etc.

[awayatc]

The situation you describe is often due to group riders under pressure to keep up. I have seen that many times.

groove + needle = stuck.....

try to grow a second braincel...?

[nzspokes]

Group rides, more specifically cruiser group rides. Recent memory of a bunch of riders coming the other way and 50% were in my lane. And a couple of Ks down the road one was sitting in the ditch.

And riders with bodies over the centre line. Dumb.

[MVnut]

Whether the reason is pressure to keep up or ego as you put it the danger resulting riding for ego is not lessened in my opinion. I threw in a third reason the other day a fear of getting lost also equally as dangerous.

You can't get lost in NZ, too small.

I will add, riding too slow, particularly in groups. For instance on Ulysses group rides (open road) they require a maximum speed of approx 93kph. Incredibly dangerous when a large group rides at considerably slower than the speed limit. Frustration is a killer too

[onearmedbandit]

Whether the reason is pressure to keep up or ego as you put it the danger resulting riding for ego is not lessened in my opinion. I threw in a third reason the other day a fear of getting lost also equally as dangerous.

Ok. Do you possibly see why your message may be getting lost because of your delivery? What I mean is your assumption that it's always pressure to keep up on group rides insults a lot of your audience because not everyone who goes on group rides suffers from that pressure. Nor do they all suffer from ego. Nor getting lost.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Dickheads riding (obviously) over their ability level. A menace to every other road user.

[Woodman]

Passing multiple vehicles on roads where there are a lot of intersections, ingoings etc. Gives me the shitz.

[R650R]

Engaging in fuckery, covers it all....

But

Group rides with 'fast' riders.... where the 'fast' guys are the ones who do idiot overtakes, then others overtake worse to keep up. That's dumb shit.
In fact group rides at all in any form...

Stopping in dumb places, if someone can run into you they will, pull OFF the damn roadway....

running tyres down to canvas....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag1eMsaqKXU

[trufflebutter]

Ok. Do you possibly see why your message may be getting lost because of your delivery? What I mean is your assumption that it's always pressure to keep up on group rides insults a lot of your audience because not everyone who goes on group rides suffers from that pressure. Nor do they all suffer from ego. Nor getting lost.

What is with senior members of this site and the flaming threads directed at cassina?

Oh and on this > ''Overtaking on blind corners. Puts the shits right up me when Ive seen this happen''?
I saw a video some time ago posted by a rider that clearly showed a certain one armed rider overtaking several bikes/a camper van and a car or two through a left hand bend with oncoming traffic...ring a bell?

[R650R]

I've had motorcyclists go to great length to try hiding faults on their bike when they come in for a WOF.

Wiping up leaking fork seals is the most common one - especially funny when they forget to wipe off the oil that's made it's way onto the brake pads and disc.

I clean my drivechain to make it look like a new one ;)

[onearmedbandit]

What is with senior members of this site and the flaming threads directed at cassina?

Oh and on this > ''Overtaking on blind corners. Puts the shits right up me when Ive seen this happen''?
I saw a video some time ago posted by a rider that clearly showed a certain one armed rider overtaking several bikes/a camper van and a car or two through a left hand bend with oncoming traffic...ring a bell?

Yup. Was it a blind corner I overtook on? Do you know that bit of road? I can answer one of those for you. it wasn't a blind corner by any stretch of the imagination. And I was well back within my lane before any oncoming traffic was near.

Oh and this isn't a thread aimed at cassina. When he/she suggested it I thought it was a good idea.

[rastuscat]

Overtaking while on coming traffic inbound, then pulling back into left lane 1 second before a head on crash.

Egotistic sportbike riders, cruiser riders who think their bikes can go faster than an R1, trying to keep up with their riding buddy etc.

You've got a few photos of those things I bet.

[EJK]

You've got a few photos of those things I bet.

Fortunately no. Only observed during group rides and some dickhead cruisers trying to race an R1. But I do have an album full of riders leaning over the center line.

[pritch]

The situation you describe is often due to group riders under pressure to keep up. I have seen that many times.

Bollox!!! Some riders put their brains in neutral when they get in a big group. Perhaps they think the :Police: won't be able to identify them as the suicidal fuckwit among many bikes? I don't know, but their idiocy goes far beyond any pressure to keep up. Especially when they are at the front of the group.

Cassina reminds me of the saying, "If the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."
She knows now't, so everything she sees looks like a rider under pressure to keep up.

Perhaps she should get out more? The Catlins? SH43? The Gentle Annie? The Nullabore? Route 66? The Croatian Coast Highway? The further the better. :devil2:

[Big Dog]

Riders who ride their ego rather than their skill level.

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[mossy1200]

Went on a MV Agusta group ride. Split into several speed groups for the Gentle Annie. One returned via helicopter from the slow group.
Combination of causes for accident.

Long story short rider in front slowed down for corner and hes underestimated the speed reduction and run onto the grit to avoid rear ending.
All the normal group mistakes. Problem for me with groups is often the difference in skill levels and people not knowing each others riding style and ability.

My pet hates is the summer shorts and jandals brigade that have appeared again a couple of weeks ago.

The latest in skin graft repair involves the use of fish skin and scales over the bare flesh.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3602333/Why-sheet-cod-scales-save-skin-grafts-Atlantic-fish-used-treat-slow-healing-wounds.html

Kind of interesting but i would rather not.

[mossy1200]

Riders who ride their ego rather than their skill level.

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http://www.energicamotor.com/energica-ego-electric-motorcycle/

Good for the enviroment though?

[Big Dog]

http://www.energicamotor.com/energica-ego-electric-motorcycle/

Good for the enviroment though?
That looks dangerous enough... more data required.
Send me one and I'll report back. ;)

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[jasonu]

The situation you describe is often due to group riders under pressure to keep up. I have seen that many times.

Talk about poking the bear...or in this case the annoying cunt.

What a bunch of morons.

[mossy1200]

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[Scubbo]

I see people riding their motorcycles on the road all the time with other motorists, crazy motherfuckers.

[Voltaire]

Waving, especially group rides..... but I suppose its the peer pressure.

[WristTwister]

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Product placement by Alpine Stars?

[awayatc]

Dangerous. ..?

And annoying...?

A Cassino on wheels.....

I suppose multiple Cassino would be Cassina.....?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Perving at hot humans on the sidewalk is fucking dangerous too. Best to park up and have a beer for that pass time. The amount of insurance jobs I've seen at work due to perving. Oh...and showing off. Might have a few scars myself from that fault.

[Scuba_Steve]

Riding slow
Slow as in slower than the surrounding cage traffic

[Daffyd]

I could write a book on riders' behaviour here, but one of the worst is the habit of wearing a helmet not done up or, even worse, a full face helmet perched on top of the head! The traffic police do nothing about it; just watch then ride by.

The law states that a rider must wear a helmet but doesn't say it should be done up. Pillion riders don't have to wear one.

It has been "suggested" that long sleeves should be worn, but shorts and jandals are very common.

Passing against oncoming traffic is also very common.

[Laava]

For instance on Ulysses group rides (open road) they require a maximum speed of approx 93kph

Not any Ulysses ride I have ever been on although I have heard that there are a couple branches that have some strict speed retricting happening. Which branch are you talking about?

[Moise]

Where to start? Probably what makes me cringe the most is high speed lane splitting. I saw some gang members riding at 130 plus just go straight through slower traffic without slowing down.

Car drivers who try to stop you overtaking. An endangered species fortunately, but I've had a couple of bad experiences with ute drivers in the last year.

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[Paul in NZ]

I think cleaning any vehicle you take in for a warrant before hand must help with a pass and if they do find something wrong it will be easy to spot. I am sure they would give more detailed attention to a dirty bike/car.

I agree - I always clean my vehicles before a service or a wof.... Right down to my mountain bikes... I grew up around garages, why should the poor mech get covered in all your shit...

[Akzle]

Dangerous. ..?

And annoying...?

A Cassino on wheels.....

I suppose multiple Cassino would be Cassina.....?

a casino! it's mostly luck, but the house always wins and the punter comes off second best! very apt metaphor!

[Akzle]

I agree - I always clean my vehicles before a service or a wof.... Right down to my mountain bikes... I grew up around garages, why should the poor mech get covered in all your shit...

i operate on the assumption that they don't want to get filthy checking shit, the half inch covering of mud and road grime is also probably holding several important bits in.

[T.W.R]

Where to start? Probably what makes me cringe the most is high speed lane splitting. I saw some gang members riding at 130 plus just go straight through slower traffic without slowing down.


Threading the needle....seen it multiple times and not just gangs but the full mix of bikers....white lining & yoyo passing in heavy open road traffic....just asking for trouble and enhancing cagers perception of us tenfold.

Hugging the fog line in medium/heavy traffic...perfect place to be muscled around by other vehicles or be unseen completely

[jafagsx250]

Perving at hot humans on the sidewalk is fucking dangerous too. Best to park up and have a beer for that pass time. The amount of insurance jobs I've seen at work due to perving. Oh...and showing off. Might have a few scars myself from that fault.


I'm guilty. But sometimes the ass is fat.

I don't do the twist in my seat and have a stare. That's stupid. Not crashing is much more preferable to looking at a woman you'll probably never see again.


And riding like a squid. It's been mentioned but I have seen far too many people just ride with a helmet and summer clothes.

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[pritch]

I will add, riding too slow, particularly in groups. For instance on Ulysses group rides (open road) they require a maximum speed of approx 93kph. Incredibly dangerous when a large group rides at considerably slower than the speed limit.

That would be dangerous and it would piss me off, but I've never come across it and wonder where you came by this apparent fantasy?

[trufflebutter]

Yup. Was it a blind corner I overtook on? Do you know that bit of road? I can answer one of those for you. it wasn't a blind corner by any stretch of the imagination. And I was well back within my lane before any oncoming traffic was near.


IIRC - IMHO - FYI it's all relative. What is normal for the spider seems chaos for the fly. IYKWIM.

[MVnut]

That would be dangerous and it would piss me off, but I've never come across it and wonder where you came by this apparent fantasy?

Unfortunately not a fantasy. Canterbury Branch....imagine a group of 40 or 50 bikes, mainly cruisers, on the motorway or main highway doing low to mid 90's in perfect weather etc.....frustration city. A handful of riders would usually take off a bit quicker and ride at more normal speeds...only to be chastised later at the monthly meetings at the Cashmere Club.

On the plus side, the Club has some really great people and then there is the free training every 2nd weekend, run by Steve Orpwood, a very talented man. Those interested should check it out.

[MVnut]

IIRC - IMHO - FYI it's all relative. What is normal for the spider seems chaos for the fly. IYKWIM.

Ridden many times with OAB, yet to see him put a wheel into the danger zone.

[FJRider]

i operate on the assumption that they don't want to get filthy checking shit, the half inch covering of mud and road grime is also probably holding several important bits in.

The usual policy for those places ... is then to water blast the bike before ... and charge you extra for the privilege ...

[eldog]

I have never come across a slow moving group ride either. Maybe thats how they would all ride if their was no pressure or ego to keep up or maybe the group ride was for a funeral.

Define what you mean by slow.

[caseye]

I have never come across a slow moving group ride either. Maybe thats how they would all ride if their was no pressure or ego to keep up or maybe the group ride was for a funeral.

Not going to be long and you guys are going to get very very tired of this shit.

[Akzle]

I have never come across a slow moving group ride either. Maybe thats how they would all ride if their was no pressure or ego to keep up or maybe the group ride was for a funeral.

you probably couldn't catch up to a slow group

[Night Falcon]

got passed by HW61 gang once on some tight twisties (I was slowing down for a mate), they were trying to intimidate the two boys on the Austrian bikes I think. They rode past as close as you cloud without actually hitting me, then overtook cars and a truck on mass on a blind corner. I'd call them nutcase tosspots cept I'm worried they might come looking for me.......those boys like to dish it out but don't seem to like getting it served up.....tosspots....ohh I never said that :no:

[5ive]

you probably couldn't catch up to a slow group

It just wouldn't be safe because of the added pressure.

[aprilia_RS250]

Patched/gang bikers are the worst. I once had an encounter with a bunch of them at the Tauranga turnoff south of Bombay when me a mate were heading to do the Coromandel loop.
The whole herd of them were going 130-140 and passing us aggressively just as we were turning. Then they proceeded to overtake cars on shoulder lanes, double yellows, cars in opposite direction flashing their lights etc etc. Their antics and manic riding then disappeared from our view and they probably ended up in some field having butt sex with each other because that's what they like to do in prison. :lol:

[pritch]

Unfortunately not a fantasy. Canterbury Branch....imagine a group of 40 or 50 bikes, mainly cruisers, on the motorway or main highway doing low to mid 90's in perfect weather etc.....frustration city. A handful of riders would usually take off a bit quicker and ride at more normal speeds...only to be chastised later at the monthly meetings at the Cashmere Club.

On the plus side, the Club has some really great people and then there is the free training every 2nd weekend, run by Steve Orpwood, a very talented man. Those interested should check it out.

That gives rise to several thoughts. Firstly, it might be a Canterbury thing, you do seem to have some strange people down there. Is there still a lot of inbreeding? :innocent:
We do note too that Canterbury keeps pinching our rugby players.

Secondly, 40 or 50 bikes is a really good number, my local branch would be jealous of a turnout like that. The group rides here used to be at a good pace but then to accommodate a "born again" and a lady rider things were slowed down, not to below 100kph but too slow for me. The most recent ride I went on was a joint effort between two branches and at the start there seemed to be a hold up. The two guys parked adjacent to me gestured up the road so off the three of us went, we had a nice brisk ride. I assume the other twenty whatever travelled at a somewhat more relaxed pace.

If I was in a group that travelled at less than 100kph for no reason, there wouldn't be a second time. As you say that would be dangerous.

[Black Knight]

Next time one of those patched up HD riders pulls their favourite stunt of overtaking me within 2 inches of the mirror on my ute,I might just have an involuntary spasm in my right arm reducing the 2 inches to zero.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Next time one of those patched up HD riders pulls their favourite stunt of overtaking me within 2 inches of the mirror on my ute,I might just have an involuntary spasm in my right arm reducing the 2 inches to zero.

Just repay the favor mate. They don't seem to like being carved up at twice their speed.

[WNJ]

This was one that I was a bit weary on personally https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161007/4a7840c4222021a9cea2c9fe61b54f76.jpg. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161007/86afba3a195bfd33157a6e033b5e8a7c.jpg

[EJK]

Funny nobody has yet mentioned anything about wheelies :D

[trufflebutter]

Ridden many times with OAB, yet to see him put a wheel into the danger zone.

So you were not on the ride in question then? And how did he lose a limb, at work?

[Akzle]

It just wouldn't be safe because of the added pressure.

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fuck that's funny as fuck. cassey is such a sack of shit.

but alas, must spread.

[Crasherfromwayback]

So you were not on the ride in question then? And how did he lose a limb, at work?

My guess is tugging himself off too often!

[onearmedbandit]

So you were not on the ride in question then? And how did he lose a limb, at work?

Your original reaction was to me talking about overtaking on blind corners, claiming that I had done so. As I think I'm pretty sure I know who you are, you know that corner isn't blind. You also only saw the overtake from another riders camera. I can't be bother defending myself to you about it, I know you have your issues with me (if indeed I am correct in my assumption) so it's pointless. Other than to say you were called out on your claim and can't deny it.

Oh and everyone on here who knows me knows how I lost the use of my arm, 22yrs old and over-confident and I paid the price in what could've been a normal crash, like so many other riders before me. But the way I landed meant I carry my injury with me forever. You've never crashed? Friends of your never crashed? Working off my assumption I know what the answer is. Just hope you don't land like I did in any future crashes, I'll tell you right now its not much fun.

Just remember the saying about glass houses...

[onearmedbandit]

My guess is tugging himself off too often!

Oi! In confidence remember????

[rastuscat]

The law states that a rider must wear a helmet but doesn't say it should be done up..

Gotta burst your bubble on this one. Here's what the Rule says

Safety helmets for all terrain vehicles, motorcycles, and mopeds
(1)
A person must not drive or ride on an all terrain vehicle, on a motorcycle, in a sidecar, or on a moped on a road unless the person is wearing a safety helmet of an approved standard that is securely fastened.

Securely fastened.

[v twin]

My guess is tugging himself off too often!

Shit if that were true I'd have lost both arms and half a leg years ago.....

[Crasherfromwayback]

Just remember the saying about glass houses...

Should wear clothes!

[MVnut]

So you were not on the ride in question then? And how did he lose a limb, at work?

Now how do I put this subtly ? .............Fuck Off !

[Gremlin]

Gotta burst your bubble on this one. Here's what the Rule says

Safety helmets for all terrain vehicles, motorcycles, and mopeds
(1)
A person must not drive or ride on an all terrain vehicle, on a motorcycle, in a sidecar, or on a moped on a road unless the person is wearing a safety helmet of an approved standard that is securely fastened.

Securely fastened.
:psst: Daffyd is in the Philippines

[Scuba_Steve]

Gotta burst your bubble on this one. Here's what the Rule says

Safety helmets for all terrain vehicles, motorcycles, and mopeds
(1)
A person must not drive or ride on an all terrain vehicle, on a motorcycle, in a sidecar, or on a moped on a road unless the person is wearing a safety helmet of an approved standard that is securely fastened.

Securely fastened.

So as long as it's tightly strapped on your arm you're right, right?

[trufflebutter]

Now how do I put this subtly ? .............Fuck Off !

Your intelligence is underwhelming.

[Runty]

Thr most dangerous thing I've seen another rider do on the road..... Cartwheels.... Unintentionally {obviously)

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[Laava]

:psst: Daffyd is in the Philippines

Lol, yeah and someone may be able to confirm but my stepson and his wife were in vietnam and hired a scooter where the law is that someone on the scooter must be wearing the helmet. Doesn't matter which one, the driver or one of the four passengers.

[pritch]

Gotta burst your bubble on this one. Here's what the Rule says

Safety helmets for all terrain vehicles, motorcycles, and mopeds
(1)
A person must not drive or ride on an all terrain vehicle, on a motorcycle, in a sidecar, or on a moped on a road unless the person is wearing a safety helmet of an approved standard that is securely fastened.

Securely fastened.

I gotta burst yours. He was writing about the Phillipines. I do take it you aren't quoting the Phillipines law?




OK I see Gremlin got here already.

[Daffyd]

Gotta burst your bubble on this one. Here's what the Rule says

Safety helmets for all terrain vehicles, motorcycles, and mopeds
(1)
A person must not drive or ride on an all terrain vehicle, on a motorcycle, in a sidecar, or on a moped on a road unless the person is wearing a safety helmet of an approved standard that is securely fastened.

Securely fastened.

Read my post again... The operative word was HERE!

[mossy1200]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3391113/Motobot-Valentino-Rossi-Yamaha-s-robotic-motorbike-rider-challenge-MotoGP-legend-2017.html


The future of safe riding.

[eldog]

Anything under the speed limit. Some will say the speed limits slow too.

I ride in groups who don't care (as far as I know, if your slow) - proceed at your own pace.

If I arrive at a stop and the group is already to move on - no worries.
As long as I know the destination, I will get there.


If I want to go faster than slow, I do that when on my own, I don't want to put others at risk.


There are definite places where the indicated limit could be increased.
but I guess this would depend on a whole lot of items
- the biggest of which the general public cant drive at higher speeds.

following too close to me can be dangerous for your hearing and your patience.

[roogazza]

Out for a morning fang this morning and a classic happened. No crash, but a 4x4 pulled out to pass a campervan who then decided to speed up to 104 kph ! The 4x4 was out stranded on the wrong side abviously too scared to go over 104 ? It was out there for fuckin ages and finally crept past,finishing the pass on a no passing line !
Surely the idea is to get up it and make a quick pass which is what I always do.
All this speed kills shit has people petrified.

[old slider]

Out for a morning fang this morning and a classic happened. No crash, but a 4x4 pulled out to pass a campervan who then decided to speed up to 104 kph ! The 4x4 was out stranded on the wrong side abviously too scared to go over 104 ? It was out there for fuckin ages and finally crept past,finishing the pass on a no passing line !
Surely the idea is to get up it and make a quick pass which is what I always do.
All this speed kills shit has people petrified.


Exactly. Trying to stay within the law when passing other traffic can be, and is, out right dangerous, but someone stated earlier that we do not need to pass other vehicles.

[roogazza]

Exactly. Trying to stay within the law when passing other traffic can be, and is, out right dangerous, but someone stated earlier that we do not need to pass other vehicles.

I couldn't count the number of passes on people doing 90 kph this morning.Trouble is my beast is doin go to jail speeds in seconds. :devil2:

[old slider]

I couldn't count the number of passes on people doing 90 kph this morning.Trouble is my beast is doin go to jail speeds in seconds. :devil2:



Lol, far safer than spending half the day on the wrong side of the road.

Those others all doing 90 may have been out on group trips, hope they didnt pressure you in to passing them all. bwahaha

[jasonu]

When I decide to pass my thinking is a ticket for speeding is cheaper than a risking head on not passing over the speed limit.

Why do you even get out of bed in the morning?

[Scubbo]

it's OK to admit you felt that pressure Cassina, first step to fixing the problem

[WristTwister]

In my opinion its not the group leaders who are the ones saying you must keep up if you want to be in our group but some following riders who make a decision for themselves that it is better to be seen by others keeping up. There was a public group ride in ChCh raising money for St John ambulance where a safety briefing was given but that did not stop some riders feeling under pressure/ego to keep up.

So you're saying that a rider who may choose to keep up with quicker riders is putting themselves at risk. Even with a pre-ride briefing some continue to choose not to "ride their own pace" and even though other riders would rather someone ride within their abilities and not come off. So really it's the individual's choice then isn't it?

[Laava]

In my opinion its not the group leaders who are the ones saying you must keep up if you want to be in our group but some following riders who make a decision for themselves that it is better to be seen by others keeping up. There was a public group ride in ChCh raising money for St John ambulance where a safety briefing was given but that did not stop some riders feeling under pressure/ego to keep up.

Yep, I am sure this is a part of it. Also the rubber band effect where half the group overtakes and stays at pace whereas the remaining half are now going slower and consequently speed the fuck up to catch up when they finally get past. It is human nature and you can find yourself doing this without consciously thinking about it.

[george formby]

Yep, I am sure this is a part of it. Also the rubber band effect where half the group overtakes and stays at pace whereas the remaining half are now going slower and consequently speed the fuck up to catch up when they finally get past. It is human nature and you can find yourself doing this without consciously thinking about it.

Yup, that's my take on it. Takes presence of mind to make good, safe, calls when the riders ahead get past and disappear.

[pritch]

When I decide to pass my thinking is a ticket for speeding is cheaper than a risking head on not passing over the speed limit.

Credit where credit is due. That's the most sensible comment I've ever seen you make.:2thumbsup

[eldog]

In my opinion its not the group leaders who are the ones saying you must keep up if you want to be in our group but some following riders who make a decision for themselves that it is better to be seen by others keeping up. There was a public group ride in ChCh raising money for St John ambulance where a safety briefing was given but that did not stop some riders feeling under pressure/ego to keep up.

Since you don't go on group rides, what makes YOU, think they felt they were under pressure.

[onearmedbandit]

Since you don't go on group rides, what makes YOU, think they felt they were under pressure.

Read about it on the internetz you see...

[WristTwister]

Since you don't go on group rides, what makes YOU, think they felt they were under pressure.

Because people who ride dangerously need an excuse?

[skippa1]

In my opinion its not the group leaders who are the ones saying you must keep up if you want to be in our group but some following riders who make a decision for themselves that it is better to be seen by others keeping up. There was a public group ride in ChCh raising money for St John ambulance where a safety briefing was given but that did not stop some riders feeling under pressure/ego to keep up.
Youve got this whole group thing going on......i think youre sitting at the keyboard wanking, hoping someone will join in and give you the sticky end you desire

[Akzle]

Since you don't go on group rides, what makes YOU, think they felt they were under pressure.

his wof guy told him.

[SVboy]

I have seen them pass me in my car on the way to Akaroa. If they were not under pressure there would be no need to pass as I dont drive below the speed limit and if my speed is limited its by other traffic in front. Maybe you need to ride/drive this road at the weekends before you will understand what what I am on about.

Reread your reply several times. Look at it from the context of a motorcyclist if you can.It may help you understand why your intellect is regarded as sub-par and your comments are dismissed as irritable jokes by actual motorcyclists.

[Autech]

Unintentionally went on a Ulyssies ride in Hamilton once. Murray was away so another chap told us to meet up as usual for the laxed out ride.

He wanted to check my bike for safety and get me to sign some bs form about riding standard etc. Proceeded on the ride behind him and his Mrs (slowly) in the given direction and passed many turn offs for some fantastic windy roads. Was begining to doze off so headed up past him, waved n took the next right n lived happily ever after. That was dangerous for me as I was losing concentration.
Same thing ended up costing me my Gixxer on another group ride where the leader took us on a tour of boring straight roads at retarded speeds.

As for dangerous shit, for me it's the bell ends trying to get knee down on the road. Totally pointless and not safe due to bumps etc.


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[T.W.R]

:facepalm: yet another thread turned into a look at me by the village idiot so he can get on his soapbox of delusion and spout his demented woffle :facepalm:
Fucking sickening :brick:

[awayatc]

my pet hate is bikers that pass on left.....

had one once that did that to me on a group ride......

had a very fuckin friendly chat to him at first stop after that.


Am not at all agreeing with the big C on many if any things.....
but have to admit that group rides don't often work for me.
To many dickheads, and people having alcohol at stops.
Will always continue on my lonesome after any breaches of MY standards...
Happily ride with people I know and trust though

[Woodman]

I have seen them pass me in my car on the way to Akaroa. If they were not under pressure there would be no need to pass as I dont drive below the speed limit and if my speed is limited its by other traffic in front. Maybe you need to ride/drive this road at the weekends before you will understand what what I am on about.

But they are on motorbikes whereas you are in a car. They are passing you so they don't have to follow a car that is generally slower accelerating and braking than a motorbike, and how the fuck can you tell that they are under pressure from other riders? Do you have some sort of gauge on your dash? Please tell me.

[Akzle]

and how the fuck can you tell that they are under pressure from other riders? Do you have some sort of gauge on your dash? Please tell me.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

[Katman]

To many dickheads, and people having alcohol at stops.


Ah yes, the good old Poker runs.

[KawasakiKid]

.....and I look in my rear view mirror.....



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjGXn249Fc0

[pritch]

You need to see it to believe it.

Ain't that the truth. I've yet to see it. :whistle:

[jasonu]

before you will understand what what I am on about.

I don't think even you understand what you are on about...

[trufflebutter]

:facepalm: yet another thread turned into a look at me by the village idiot so he can get on his soapbox of delusion and spout his demented woffle :facepalm:
Fucking sickening :brick:

Once his/her name was mentioned in post #1 it was inevitable. OP didn't see it that way ''Oh and this isn't a thread aimed at cassina''
There was no need to have cassina's name in the first post, it was an invitation by doing so.

[SVboy]

Cassina is as intractable as his comments are irrelevant. What OAB has skilfully done is open a debate on safe practices in group riding, encouraging us to reflect on our own skillset.Cassina's inability to understand other viewpoints and stuck record syndrome make us come back and read, and think.(if just to wonder how a person like this could exist, let alone ride a bike!) Well done OAB!

[Blackbird]

Cassina is as intractable as his comments are irrelevant. What OAB has skilfully done is open a debate on safe practices in group riding, encouraging us to reflect on our own skillset.Cassina's inability to understand other viewpoints and stuck record syndrome make us come back and read, and think.(if just to wonder how a person like this could exist, let alone ride a bike!) Well done OAB!

+1 with those sentiments!

Just to stoke the flames in certain quarters, there's a research paper from a University of Coventry research fellow who is a keen rider himself which which indicates that "experienced" riders (as opposed to those who actively seek training opportunities from time to time) were not particularly good at hazard perception. Trying to succinctly paraphrase the results, bad habits picked up over the years detracted from general situational awareness. There's obviously a lot more detail than that but that's the guts of it. Probably unsurprising given all the posts in this thread :yes:

[Katman]

Cassina is as intractable as his comments are irrelevant. What OAB has skilfully done is open a debate on safe practices in group riding, encouraging us to reflect on our own skillset.Cassina's inability to understand other viewpoints and stuck record syndrome make us come back and read, and think.(if just to wonder how a person like this could exist, let alone ride a bike!) Well done OAB!

Can you possibly fit your tongue any further up his arse?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Just to stoke the flames in certain quarters, there's a research paper from a University of Coventry research fellow who is a keen rider himself which which indicates that "experienced" riders (as opposed to those who actively seek training opportunities from time to time) were not particularly good at hazard perception. :

Think the word *lazy* needs to find it's self in there.

[Blackbird]

Think the word *lazy* needs to find it's self in there.

:niceone::niceone:

[Moi]

+1 with those sentiments!

Just to stoke the flames in certain quarters, there's a research paper from a University of Coventry research fellow who is a keen rider himself which which indicates that "experienced" riders (as opposed to those who actively seek training opportunities from time to time) were not particularly good at hazard perception. Trying to succinctly paraphrase the results, bad habits picked up over the years detracted from general situational awareness. There's obviously a lot more detail than that but that's the guts of it. Probably unsurprising given all the posts in this thread :yes:

This it?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25180786

Note the other papers listed to the right...

[Blackbird]

This it?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25180786

Note the other papers listed to the right...

No. I've seen that one too.

[onearmedbandit]

Once his/her name was mentioned in post #1 it was inevitable. OP didn't see it that way ''Oh and this isn't a thread aimed at cassina''
There was no need to have cassina's name in the first post, it was an invitation by doing so.

That's your twist on it. The idea was suggested by cassina in another thread, had it been anyone else I would've given credit there too. This wasn't intended at all to target cassina but to do exactly what I said in the first post, to get our perception as riders.

[AllanB]

Usual shit today on a busy road - couple bikes ahead of me - looked to be taking care and not letting the traffic irritate them - lasted about 10kms I reckon until the pass and keep passing regardless of visibility mode plugged in.

Usual Sunday stuff.


Carry on.


Mrs B asked how the ride was 'meh - too many cars..' must wake up earlier.

[SVboy]

Can you possibly fit your tongue any further up his arse?

Can you possibly say anything constructive?

[KawasakiKid]

There is always much talk of returning riders, usually 45 years + and the mayhem they create. Fair amount of truth to that, though certainly not in all cases. Most return on a large cruiser, Harley etc. Very heavy and not agile.....possibly like the owner. There definitely needs to be training in this area. The majority of returning riders need to work on their game, very few come back naturally.

The same can often be said for middle aged riders who are not returners, they get careless because they think they know it all.....sorry no-one does because there is always change. Technology of course.

And old riders....should they stop? are they dangerous? I have a friend who rides every day....at 74 dare I say he is virtually perfect in his riding. He rides into the town he lives, better than taking a car...usually 2-up with his wife. No problem, I have ridden open road in a group with him on sportbikes, do you think he has issues when in a group....fear, ego, etc........NO. Nobody can see the crystal ball and say rider 'X' is under the group ride spell that Cassina (in particular) speaks of.

The biggest worry I have today about bike riding is that it will end too soon for me, if my health gets bad. People are always going to crash, going to die on bikes. It's sad but it will never stop. Best to enjoy the motorcycle, treat every day as learning and love the adventure.

[Blackbird]

The biggest worry I have today about bike riding is that it will end too soon for me, if my health gets bad. People are always going to crash, going to die on bikes. It's sad but it will never stop. Best to enjoy the motorcycle, treat every day as learning and love the adventure.

Amen to all that:niceone: Have been riding since I was 16 and hit 70 later this year. Knees are pretty stuffed but apart from that, not too bad. Just thankful that I've been able to ride for so long. There aren't too many things that I'm truly passionate about but riding is one of them. Just trying to do what I can to safely extend my riding for a few more years.

[Akzle]

There is always much talk of returning riders, usually 45 years + and the mayhem they create. Fair amount of truth to that, though certainly not in all cases. Most return on a large cruiser, Harley etc. Very heavy and not agile.....possibly like the owner. There definitely needs to be training in this area. The majority of returning riders need to work on their game, very few come back naturally.

The same can often be said for middle aged riders who are not returners, they get careless because they think they know it all.....sorry no-one does because there is always change. Technology of course.

And old riders....should they stop? are they dangerous? I have a friend who rides every day....at 74 dare I say he is virtually perfect in his riding. He rides into the town he lives, better than taking a car...usually 2-up with his wife. No problem, I have ridden open road in a group with him on sportbikes, do you think he has issues when in a group....fear, ego, etc........NO. Nobody can see the crystal ball and say rider 'X' is under the group ride spell that Cassina (in particular) speaks of.

The biggest worry I have today about bike riding is that it will end too soon for me, if my health gets bad. People are always going to crash, going to die on bikes. It's sad but it will never stop. Best to enjoy the motorcycle, treat every day as learning and love the adventure.

rbgiafp .

[Akzle]

one poster has agreed with me directly.

better have that printed, laminated and framed there champ.

...put it above the dining table so you can bask in your own glory at every meal.

[v twin]

better have that printed, laminated and framed there champ.

...put it above the dining table so you can bask in your own glory at every meal.

Or maybe on this

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Portable-Foldable-Comfortable-Tv-Tray-Table-w-Cup-Holder/192181773

[onearmedbandit]

ChCh to Akaroa road most Summer weekends.

Just please remember, that's your perception. Doesn't actually make it true. Nor does it make it any more true because someone agrees with you.

[v twin]

Omg stop. There are a trillion possible scenarios every second of every ride. No second on any road or even the same road are ever the same.... that's why we ride....freedom.... chance ....and another trillion other reasons. I'm out! Fucking nanny state shit

[granstar]

Those who pass right close brushing beside you in your riding space It's been only large capacity V twins that have done it to me a few times, i seen them coming in my mirror, doesn't scare me if that is the intent (??) but it's a bit bloody stupid don't you think.

Another is group rides where bikes are lined up and leaving to ride off in an orderly fashion by peeling out and off one at a time, someone further down the line decides just can't wait a few seconds (like it matters where you are in the group) and jumps into the line over your path of exit from the file and near tips you off.

[Akzle]

Just please remember, that's your perception. Doesn't actually make it true. Nor does it make it any more true because someone agrees with you.

dude. someone agreed with me once.


since then we've had Y2K, tsunamis, 9/11, 7/11, 420, and negroes...
so best not to agree with anyone ever ehh.

[jasonu]

Doesn't actually make it true. Nor does it make it any more true because someone agrees with you.

Unless that someone is your WOF dude...

[98tls]

Funny moment today coming back from Christchurch (in the Falcon) i come up behind 4 guys on bikes we get to a passing lane..a fucking long one they overtake the 2 cars that moved to the left then suddenly nothing happens as they simply wont pull over into the left lane so :bye: fuck em went into the left lane myself and got passed them that way didnt see them again until i stopped at Winchester to stretch the legs,heard them coming though did seem ages before they actually got there and as they go passed one of em gives me the bird another calls me a cunt:laugh::laugh::laugh: I truly believe the fuckers thought i was in the wrong:facepalm: I can understand why some form an unhealthy opinion re motorcyclists.

[nzspokes]

Funny moment today coming back from Christchurch (in the Falcon) i come up behind 4 guys on bikes we get to a passing lane..a fucking long one they overtake the 2 cars that moved to the left then suddenly nothing happens as they simply wont pull over into the left lane so :bye: fuck em went into the left lane myself and got passed them that way didnt see them again until i stopped at Winchester to stretch the legs,heard them coming though did seem ages before they actually got there and as they go passed one of em gives me the bird another calls me a cunt:laugh::laugh::laugh: I truly believe the fuckers thought i was in the wrong:facepalm: I can understand why some form an unhealthy opinion re motorcyclists.

No, thats because you are in a Falcon. :lol:

[98tls]

No, thats because you are in a Falcon. :lol:

;) Could ave been in a Hillman Hunter the cunts still would have held me up,gotta be fair its the first time ive ever had bikes do this usually its someone in the lastest 4wd offered by Peugeot or similar.Am guessing they would have done the same thing if i was on the bike dunno...i would have.

[rastuscat]

Ridden many times with OAB, yet to see him put a wheel into the danger zone.
I've only ever seen him ride once. The front wheel was off the ground. Saves tire wear.

[caseye]

No, thats because you are in a Falcon. :lol:

Yeah, Fords Sux, didn'tcha know that?
You did nothing wrong on New Zealand roads, just can't do it anywhere else in the world without being a law breaker.
Apart from that, who's road is it? Fuck em, pass them on the inside again, maybe they'll learn a passing lane is for PASSING, finished,? move over, thats called COMMON COURTESEY, something lacking in a large number of motorists and surprisingly a larger number of motorcyclists of all persuasions.

[Moi]

Funny moment today coming back from Christchurch (in the Falcon) i come up behind 4 guys on bikes we get to a passing lane..a fucking long one they overtake the 2 cars that moved to the left then suddenly nothing happens as they simply wont pull over into the left lane so :bye: fuck em went into the left lane myself and got passed them that way didnt see them again until i stopped at Winchester to stretch the legs,heard them coming though did seem ages before they actually got there and as they go passed one of em gives me the bird another calls me a cunt:laugh::laugh::laugh: I truly believe the fuckers thought i was in the wrong:facepalm: I can understand why some form an unhealthy opinion re motorcyclists.

Were they riding those new Entitlement models?

... I believe they are available in 2-wheeled and 4-wheeled versions!

[old slider]

I wonder if any returning riders on here would be likely to admit if they have had a crash since retuning that if they had not stopped at all they would not have had it? I am in the MLC age group but have never stopped and from media stories it does appear the riders who have returned are the ones in my age group who have a greater number of crashes otherwise there would be media stories saying your chances of coming to grief are much higher over the age of 40 say irrespective of how long you have been riding for.


I think the middle aged onwards rider like yourself Cassina who has always ridden is the most at risk!!!.

statistic also show this in many facets of life, the same as Riding motorcycles, this age group (The apparently more experienced) who have hunted deer for many years are the same demographic that results in most of NZs hunting tragedies.


Maybe for this group its more about you thinking you are better or know it all, rather than those returning participants who are more likely to be cautious with their pursuits.

[Paulo]

always shits me when I see someone with their child pillion in shorts and no gloves and an ill fitting ancient open face helmet filtering through traffic. saw that today in Wellington. Kiddie must have been about 6.

[old slider]

always shits me when I see someone with their child pillion in shorts and no gloves and an ill fitting ancient open face helmet filtering through traffic. saw that today in Wellington. Kiddie must have been about 6.


100%

Must be living in a seaside suburb, because I see it everyday on all manner of motorized bikes, kids with either parents or older siblings often with 2 or more youngins hanging on as they make a fast run to their destinations , often zooming along a mixture of grass verges, footpaths and public roads as they make their way to various recreational areas, ie, the fishing spots along the river banks, river mouth and the multitude of accesses to the coastline.

I love seeing them being allowed to do this but the incidence of close calls, injuries and tragedies keep unfolding.

[Paulo]

100%

Must be living in a seaside suburb, because I see it everyday on all manner of motorized bikes, kids with either parents or older siblings often with 2 or more youngins hanging on as they make a fast run to their destinations , often zooming along a mixture of grass verges, footpaths and public roads as they make their way to various recreational areas, ie, the fishing spots along the river banks, river mouth and the multitude of accesses to the coastline.

I love seeing them being allowed to do this but the incidence of close calls, injuries and tragedies keep unfolding.

Yeah I'm not into wrapping kids in cotton wool as a rule ( I spent my childhood falling off bikes and getting hurt and doing dumb things ) but you have to wonder about some people judgement as parents, The other thing is seeing guys in full leather and race boots and gloves and their girls on the back in a party dress and sneakers

[Autech]

Funny moment today coming back from Christchurch (in the Falcon) i come up behind 4 guys on bikes we get to a passing lane..a fucking long one they overtake the 2 cars that moved to the left then suddenly nothing happens as they simply wont pull over into the left lane so :bye: fuck em went into the left lane myself and got passed them that way didnt see them again until i stopped at Winchester to stretch the legs,heard them coming though did seem ages before they actually got there and as they go passed one of em gives me the bird another calls me a cunt:laugh::laugh::laugh: I truly believe the fuckers thought i was in the wrong:facepalm: I can understand why some form an unhealthy opinion re motorcyclists.

I actually know a lad who got *555 for doing this to another car, got summoned to court and lost his license solely based on their (old farts driving in passing lane) account of what he did. Didn't help he was a kiwi born Asian boyracer though I guess who'd already lost his license for being a tool.

[jasonu]

always shits me when I see someone with their child pillion in shorts and no gloves and an ill fitting ancient open face helmet filtering through traffic. saw that today in Wellington. Kiddie must have been about 6.

Like these cunts?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fws1XkcTHys

[nzspokes]

But your belief is flawed assuming all media critisism of middle aged bikers in the MCL age group is correct as they only say its the returning rider who is most at risk.

It will be the least trained rider that is at risk.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I truly believe the fuckers thought i was in the wrong:facepalm: I can understand why some form an unhealthy opinion re motorcyclists.

They probably (like me) freaked that a Falcon could do over 100kph mate!

[T.W.R]

Once his/her name was mentioned in post #1 it was inevitable. OP didn't see it that way ''Oh and this isn't a thread aimed at cassina''
There was no need to have cassina's name in the first post, it was an invitation by doing so.

That's the unfortunate thing about it.
OAB is one of the sharper tools in this shed so its something worthwhile not just a space filler. Whereas the tripe the dimwit dribbles out is cringe worthy.
Its all just assumption, paranoia, nervousness, arrogance, & ignorance.....once in a blue moon it'll squeak out something basic and think its a wee gem.

Even just a couple of those things transferred to riding a motorcycle are dangerous things and thats a huge part of the problem in general that contributes to a percentages of our accidents, the PTB, & the majority of the public.
A social conditioning that has been happening for decades has already got a bias against us.....even all the tv safety campaigns for basic & critical road safety never feature motorcycles yet a high percentage get cleaned up that exact way.

Least with the like of my avatar I'm honest about what I am as a motorcyclist & where my roots are, every time I ride I'll operate outside the confines of what the law states somewhere along the line but as an exercise in discretion & consideration. Once it was as far as far can be from that and just blind arrogance of youth & ignorance to the consequences (christ we used to do central ChCh to the Akers chippy in 1hr flat...and that was on the likes of CB900fa, GS1000, 1200 Laverda etc).
But decades & one good wake-up call later....
To really survive out there you have to humble, alert, & assertive. Arrogance & nervousness are asking for trouble

[Big Dog]

Bike this morning over ~5kms.
Didn't head check, indicate or merge coming down an on ramp. Forced the car whose space he occupied as he pushed past to swerve into the middle lane, which forced middle lane into fast lane.

Next move was to come across to the fast lane in one movement without indicators or head checks to tailgate a bike which changed lane to let him past.
Then tailgated a car with less than a bike length at 100kms until that too changed lanes.

About then we were treated to a cop pulling a speeding car over so he suddenly slowed down... for a few moments then back to alternating between tailgating and changing lanes without indicating or head checks.

I wish this was unusual.



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[rastuscat]

So as long as it's tightly strapped on your arm you're right, right?

The helmet manufacturer designed it to go on your head. That's what the rule relates to. Wear a spare one on each elbow if you like, as long as you have a securely fastened onemail on your head.

[rastuscat]

I wish this was unusual.

It's not unusual.

Tom Jones says so.

[Ulsterkiwi]

Bike this morning over ~5kms.
Didn't head check, indicate or merge coming down an on ramp. Forced the car whose space he occupied as he pushed past to swerve into the middle lane, which forced middle lane into fast lane.

Next move was to come across to the fast lane in one movement without indicators or head checks to tailgate a bike which changed lane to let him past.
Then tailgated a car with less than a bike length at 100kms until that too changed lanes.

About then we were treated to a cop pulling a speeding car over so he suddenly slowed down... for a few moments then back to alternating between tailgating and changing lanes without indicating or head checks.

I wish this was unusual.



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I have seen this happen so often with bikes, cars, utes, anything on the road really. I wish the gentlemen and ladies who carry out enforcement of our road rules would pay more attention to this and other kinds of crappy driving/riding rather than obsess with 4 or 10kph limit tolerances. Surely someone travelling at 115kph observing good lane discipline, signalling appropriately, allowing adequate following distance who is alert and focused on what they are doing is far safer on the road than the idiots moving at 95 who do none of the things the person moving at 115 is doing?

[Akzle]

I wish the gentlemen and ladies who carry out enforcement of our road rules would pay more attention to this and other kinds of crappy driving/riding rather than obsess with 4 or 10kph limit tolerances.

vote akzle.

[rastuscat]

I have seen this happen so often with bikes, cars, utes, anything on the road really. I wish the gentlemen and ladies who carry out enforcement of our road rules would pay more attention to this and other kinds of crappy driving/riding rather than obsess with 4 or 10kph limit tolerances.

Amen. Out of interest, there are a lot of cops who do in fact focus on things apart from speed.

My trio of faves were seatbelts, cellphones and stop signs.

[toycollector10]

:facepalm: yet another thread turned into a look at me by the village idiot so he can get on his soapbox of delusion and spout his demented woffle :facepalm:
Fucking sickening :brick:

Brilliant and hilarious turn of phrase there, T.W.R. Can I use it ....? Yes, we've clashed in the past so I hope all is forgotten/forgiven...Life's too short.

[toycollector10]

My group ride pet peeve. Would you believe UNDERTAKING and TAILGATING. Peace.

[Scuba_Steve]

The helmet manufacturer designed it to go on your head. That's what the rule relates to. Wear a spare one on each elbow if you like, as long as you have a securely fastened onemail on your head.

do you actually have to wear it on your head tho?
I looked at the deadly pedley rules (never bothered with motorbikes as I'm happy to wear one) & it just says it must be "securely fastened" not that it must be "securely fastened in prescribed manner" or "as per manufactors instructions" or even "on the head", just that it must be "fastened securely"; so is there anything to stop you (other than the curruption exceedingly present in the system) from wearing the helmet [securely fastened] on body parts other than the head?

I mean here is the verbatim of it
11.8 Safety helmets for cyclists
(1) A person must not ride, or be carried on, a bicycle on a road unless the person is wearing a safety helmet of an approved standard that is securely fastened.


I also like how motorbike helmets are not approved... Yet another piece of legislation that states if you want to be safer it's illegal

[george formby]

Amen. Out of interest, there are a lot of cops who do in fact focus on things apart from speed.

My trio of faves were seatbelts, cellphones and stop signs.

In the UK, if you get pinged speeding you are given the choice of paying the fine and getting demerits or paying for and attending an "education/training" day. I would like to see this idea broadened to road users who are a potential hazard, the chancers, the self righteous and the bullies. Something along the lines of "You're driving/riding like a knobber, pay $100 and spend a day being educated or pay $200 and have "I'm a knob" on your licence.

Just a thought.

[varminter]

do you actually have to wear it on your head tho?
I looked at the deadly pedley rules (never bothered with motorbikes as I'm happy to wear one) & it just says it must be "securely fastened" not that it must be "securely fastened in prescribed manner" or "as per manufactors instructions" or even "on the head", just that it must be "fastened securely"; so is there anything to stop you (other than the curruption exceedingly present in the system) from wearing the helmet [securely fastened] on body parts other than the head?

I mean here is the verbatim of it
11.8 Safety helmets for cyclists
(1) A person must not ride, or be carried on, a bicycle on a road unless the person is wearing a safety helmet of an approved standard that is securely fastened.


I also like how motorbike helmets are not approved... Yet another piece of legislation that states if you want to be safer it's illegal

I think the word "helmet" says it all, if it's on your arm it would be an 'armlet'.

[T.W.R]

Brilliant and hilarious turn of phrase there, T.W.R. Can I use it ....? Yes, we've clashed in the past so I hope all is forgotten/forgiven...Life's too short.

Ha more than welcome to.
Don't think we've locked horns in the past....exchanged a couple of PMs about 7yrs ago when I was trying to locate an old bike of mine that may have been held by one of your club members. But haven't clashed over anything.

[Big Dog]

When I saw your post I initially only saw
It's not unusual. to be loved by anyone...


Then I scrolled down...


Tom Jones says so.



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[Ulsterkiwi]

Amen. Out of interest, there are a lot of cops who do in fact focus on things apart from speed.

My trio of faves were seatbelts, cellphones and stop signs.

Sadly it would seem they are in the minority, certainly in the upper echelons who determine policy and are the public face of road policing. I would love a senior officer (Inspector or above) to come out and say something like "Inappropriate speed is of course a risk factor but essentially driving like a complete knob with no visible demonstration of adherence to the road rules, awareness of what is going on around you or consideration of other road users is dangerous and leads to what we laughingly call accidents. To that end I am directing my officers on the ground to actively seek out texters, tailgaters, aggressive drivers, drunks, druggies, those who fail to signal, those who do not use proper lane discipline or otherwise fail to drive to the conditions and ticket the shit out of those useless numpties. Forget speeding, lets get people actually taking driving seriously and afford it the respect its due"

yeah, I know dreaming and all.......

Bottom line is, the public just perceive that the police are after speeders and its to collect revenue. Clearly what is being said or done does not address that perception in a way that will remove it.

here are a couple of examples:
Riding on Raumati straights, long time 70kph restriction. Guy in front of me is on a Ducati sport bike. He is riding less than 1.5m from the car in front of him at 70ish kph. I mean right up the car's arse. I am thinking, this guy has a death wish. Up ahead is a marked highway patrol car, one of the orange ones so we can all see them. The officer is looking up, not writing, not on the RT, not on the phone, not dealing with another motorist.
The car with the semi attached Ducati up his arse drives past. I see the police officer look at the scenario. Does he put on the disco lights and pull the biker over? Does he say, look mate, thats dumb shit, give yourself space or look mate here is a performance certificate for dumb shit behaviour? Does he hell, noone is going over 70 so not his problem.

Me, on a S40 with an L plate. wife's bike. Riding down a long open 50kph road near home. Doing the limit, following good lines for safety, stability and visibility. No braking, just a steady 50-55kph. Guy in a massive red ute is right up my arse. Weaving all over because he cant get past due to oncoming traffic and I am clearly in his way. No, he is not a volunteer firefighter going to a call out because we pass the firestation. He eventually speeds past me, then jumps on the brakes so that I have to as well. Takes off burning rubber, does the same thing. Hanging out of the cab screaming at me, shaking his fists flipping the bird, accelerating then jumping on the brakes in front of me. I back right off, I don't want trouble. This continues for about 600-700metres. I am passing a mates workshop who has a car garage. I stop there because he is my mate and has several big fuck off wrenches that make for pretty good persuaders. The guy in the ute gets the message and roars off still shaking his fist and screaming. I am WTF?
So, I have his plate, ring *555 tell them the story. Response? That wasn't nice we will send out a message and if anyone sees him they will have a word. Have a word? That's AOS stuff!! thats kick his door in and feed him to the dogs, they had his plate and a description and knew where he was lived. Why not pay him a visit rather than hope someone sees him? If my report is enough to pull him over if seen, why not enough to go looking?

Look I do not subscribe to the theory that the police are a govt gang and they all suck. Most are decent men and women trying their best with limited resource available to them. In my non-expert opinion the PR side of road policing is completely screwed up. I consider myself a reasonable motorist and an average citizen but the message that I get is I can pretty much do what I like so long as its below the speed limit. That can't be right.

[Ulsterkiwi]

In the UK, if you get pinged speeding you are given the choice of paying the fine and getting demerits or paying for and attending an "education/training" day. I would like to see this idea broadened to road users who are a potential hazard, the chancers, the self righteous and the bullies. Something along the lines of "You're driving/riding like a knobber, pay $100 and spend a day being educated or pay $200 and have "I'm a knob" on your licence.

Just a thought.

My brother back in UK was recently telling me of attending one of these education days because he had racked up too many points. He said 80% of those attending were there in body only. One guy slept through the whole thing. He said it changed his attitude to speed limits but clearly not all! I guess no solution is perfect and will not always work as intended.

[george formby]

My brother back in UK was recently telling me of attending one of these education days because he had racked up too many points. He said 80% of those attending were there in body only. One guy slept through the whole thing. He said it changed his attitude to speed limits but clearly not all! I guess no solution is perfect and will not always work as intended.

It was my Mam telling me about it. She is in her 70's and got done for speeding in her Honda Jazz, lol.

She freely admitted to learning not a lot, she's a good driver coming from a petrol head household, but found it acutely embarrassing. I'm not sure if she's getting lighter shoes or a radar detector as a consequence.

[Moi]

Sadly it would seem they are in the minority, certainly in the upper echelons who determine policy and are the public face of road policing. I would love a senior officer (Inspector or above) to come out and say something like "Inappropriate speed is of course a risk factor but essentially driving like a complete knob with no visible demonstration of adherence to the road rules, awareness of what is going on around you or consideration of other road users is dangerous and leads to what we laughingly call accidents. To that end I am directing my officers on the ground to actively seek out texters, tailgaters, aggressive drivers, drunks, druggies, those who fail to signal, those who do not use proper lane discipline or otherwise fail to drive to the conditions and ticket the shit out of those useless numpties. Forget speeding, lets get people actually taking driving seriously and afford it the respect its due"

yeah, I know dreaming and all.......

Bottom line is, the public just perceive that the police are after speeders and its to collect revenue. Clearly what is being said or done does not address that perception in a way that will remove it...

+1

plus those who don't understand what S T O P or G I V E W A Y mean...

[awayatc]

It's all about safety......


Tui.

[nzspokes]

Amen. Out of interest, there are a lot of cops who do in fact focus on things apart from speed.

My trio of faves were seatbelts, cellphones and stop signs.

The awkward truth is we all know that's not true.

[Luckylegs]

The awkward truth is we all know that's not true.

Really, you know all of 'em?

[awayatc]

The awkward truth is we all know that's not true.

Amen....

Also some of those "other things" some cops may be looking at don't make me feel a lot safer....

Like seatbelts or rego.

Demerit points for rego on hold....

Feel sorry for the few remaining good and well meaning police officers out there.
Must be tough defending policies that are being trashed out by brainless imbeciles....
A bit like having to work for Cassina....

[rastuscat]

The awkward truth is we all know that's not true.

Ahem. Anyone who knows me knows it's true.

[awayatc]

Amen. Out of interest, there are a lot of cops who do in fact focus on things apart from speed.
.

Anybody familiar with NZ traffic policing knows that to be not true...

The "a lot of cops" part.....

[jdz89]

Today I had to make an emergency trip to the hospital in regards to my broken wrist, unfortunately I had to do something very silly and that was ride my bike there with a cast on. Obviously it's far less than ideal but I had no other option. Couldn't wear my riding jacket or wear gloves, definitely felt like the most dangerous thing I've done on my bike but I was incredibly cautious and safe.

Does anyone know the laws surrounding doing this?
The doctors told me that driving a car is legal but insurance doesn't cover you but he wasn't sure about motorbikes.

[T.W.R]

Today I had to make an emergency trip to the hospital in regards to my broken wrist, unfortunately I had to do something very silly and that was ride my bike there with a cast on. Obviously it's far less than ideal but I had no other option. Couldn't wear my riding jacket or wear gloves, definitely felt like the most dangerous thing I've done on my bike but I was incredibly cautious and safe.

Does anyone know the laws surrounding doing this?
The doctors told me that driving a car is legal but insurance doesn't cover you but he wasn't sure about motorbikes.

Amateur :bleh:

In 1994 living & working in Huntly I completely shattered my left elbow in an accident in Hamilton which involved bone grafts & metalware to get it somewhere near usable & radial nerve damage (still graded as 27% permanent disability now). The 1st check-up had to get to Waikato hospital and had no other option than ride my bike.
It hadn't run for ages and wouldn't start so bump started it and rode to Hamilton sporting a full cast from bicep to wrist and unable to use my left hand at all.....got a few looks walking into the hospital in leathers carrying a helmet in one hand and the other poking out the end of a cast with piano wire slings for my fingers.
Surgeon wasn't too impressed and didn't say to much when I geared up to head back to Huntly :shutup:

[jdz89]

Amateur :bleh:

In 1994 living & working in Huntly I completely shattered my left elbow in an accident in Hamilton which involved bone grafts & metalware to get it somewhere near usable & radial nerve damage (still graded as 27% permanent disability now). The 1st check-up had to get to Waikato hospital and had no other option than ride my bike.
It hadn't run for ages and wouldn't start so bump started it and rode to Hamilton sporting a full cast from bicep to wrist and unable to use my left hand at all.....got a few looks walking into the hospital in leathers carrying a helmet in one hand and the other poking out the end of a cast with piano wire slings for my fingers.
Surgeon wasn't too impressed and didn't say to much when I geared up to head back to Huntly :shutup:


What a trooper, how the hell did you use the clutch?

[T.W.R]

What a trooper, how the hell did you use the clutch?

:laugh: didn't use it/couldn't use it....it was all clutchless shifting and only had a couple of interesting starts getting away lights etc but otherwise once moving simple as piss to clutchless gear change :niceone:

[Gremlin]

That reminds me of taking a mate to the doctors for a checkup after a motorcycle accident. Only I didn't have my car licence back then, so I took him on another bike. Crutches went into a backpack (yay for adjustable crutches). He hobbles in, I'm carrying our helmets. Nurses ask how he got injured...

Got disapproving looks for our solution, then ran over a duck on the way back to his place and he was certain we were going to crash... The adventures you get up to :laugh:

[nzspokes]

Ahem. Anyone who knows me knows it's true.
Lets be honest. Road policing died with the MOT. Its obvious that they are moving to electric eyes to keep the money coming in.

On my 7 minutes of motorway I saw 7 drivers using phones. 2 of which were trucks, 1 being a container truck.

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[Madness]

Let's be honest. Spokes needs to get out of D'Auckland more often before making sweeping statements that make him look like a stupid egg.

[FJRider]

The awkward truth is we all know that's not true.

Only those that have only been stopped for speed related offenses and infringements ... would believe that.

[nzspokes]

Let's be honest. Spokes needs to get out of D'Auckland more often before making sweeping statements that make him look like a stupid egg.
Why would anyone want to be out of Auckland?

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[WNJ]

Why would anyone want to be out of Auckland?

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Sold 1 house 10 yrs ago in highland park, now own 4 out of auck, including 10 acres bush, good enough reason for my family to leave, :woohoo:

[Madness]

Why would anyone want to be out of Auckland?

You & D'Auckland deserve each other.

[trufflebutter]

Sold 1 house 10 yrs ago in highland park, now own 4 out of auck, including 10 acres bush, good enough reason for my family to leave, :woohoo:

It is illegal to sell a rental property, so some have no choice but to stay put and gee up the shit hole in which they reside :shifty:
Most Auckland dwellers will complain about said shit hole in which they reside, but only to those who don't live there for the very reason that is being conveyed to them.

There is life to be lived outside the those city limits that's for sure.

[Moi]

...Most Auckland dwellers will complain about said shit hole in which they reside, but only to those who don't live there for the very reason that is being conveyed to them.


You have evidence for your blanket statement?

[trufflebutter]

You have evidence for your blanket statement?

Only verbal, they don't complain via email.

[Moi]

Only verbal, they don't complain via email.

Anecdotal is so unreliable...

[george formby]

Anecdotal is so unreliable...

Dunno about that..... I was bitten by a snake a few years ago and the medic gave me an anecdote. I was right as rain in no time.

[Zedder]

Dunno about that..... I was bitten by a snake a few years ago and the medic gave me an anecdote. I was right as rain in no time.


You were lucky, some bites can turn sceptic even with an anecdote...

[george formby]

You were lucky, some bites can turn sceptic even with an anecdote...

IIRC, he swabbed it with antisceptic to prevent any infraction.

[trufflebutter]

Anecdotal is so unreliable...

Have not spoken to each and every 1 million plus of the unfortunate ones that are stuck there, but that doesn't change nor exempt the grizzles that are often heard and expressed by those who have hailed from there.

[FJRider]

Have not spoken to each and every 1 million plus of the unfortunate ones that are stuck there, but that doesn't change nor exempt the grizzles that are often heard and expressed by those who have hailed from there.

The good news is ... all those that do not live there .... do not care if they grizzle or not. I am one of those ...

Many (all actually) on benefits were offered $5000 grants to move to other areas ... most refused. Some that did move ended up wanting to return. Some actually refused because they wouldn't get to hold any of that $5000 ... so I think that stable door has now closed ...

Their choice to live there ...

[nzspokes]

Case in point,

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/88491324/prisoners-in-our-own-home

[FJRider]

Case in point,

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/88491324/prisoners-in-our-own-home

She obviously didn't bring her lawnmower down from Auckland with her ... or perhaps she didn't have a lawn in Auckland (either).

[Zedder]

IIRC, he swabbed it with antisceptic to prevent any infraction.

I can aseptic story now you backed it up.

[Big Dog]

She obviously didn't bring her lawnmower down from Auckland with her ... or perhaps she didn't have a lawn in Auckland (either).
She'd do anything to move back to Auckland?
Does that include getting a job?

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[Daffyd]

Like these cunts?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fws1XkcTHys

See it every day here.

[trufflebutter]

The good news is ... all those that do not live there .... do not care if they grizzle or not. I am one of those ...

Many (all actually) on benefits were offered $5000 grants to move to other areas ... most refused. Some that did move ended up wanting to return. Some actually refused because they wouldn't get to hold any of that $5000 ... so I think that stable door has now closed ...

Their choice to live there ...

Better the devil you know. It's like giving up smoking, if you actually have to want to give up, then you'll probably succeed, no of this 'I'll give it go' shit.
and then blame everything else but their own lack of will power, when they fail.

[FJRider]

Better the devil you know. It's like giving up smoking, if you actually have to want to give up, then you'll probably succeed, no of this 'I'll give it go' shit.
and then blame everything else but their own lack of will power, when they fail.

No ... they're just too fucking lazy to get off their own ass and do things that are in there own best interest. Then blame everybody else for doing nothing to help them.

It's called the "Not my fault" syndrome ...

[trufflebutter]

No ... they're just too fucking lazy to get off their own ass and do things that are in there own best interest. Then blame everybody else for doing nothing to help them.

It's called the "Not my fault" syndrome ...

If you read what I said you will have realised that my sentiments are the same as yours, I just used a nagaram (opps sorry akzle) I mean anagram.

[Akzle]

That reminds me of taking a mate to the doctors for a checkup after a motorcycle accident. Only I didn't have my car licence back then, so I took him on another bike. Crutches went into a backpack (yay for adjustable crutches). He hobbles in, I'm carrying our helmets. Nurses ask how he got injured...

Got disapproving looks for our solution, then ran over a duck on the way back to his place and he was certain we were going to crash... The adventures you get up to :laugh:
rbgiafp


(:motu::laugh: )



Lets be honest. Road policing died with the MOT. Its obvious that they are moving to electric eyes to keep the money coming in.

On my 7 minutes of motorway I saw 7 drivers using phones. 2 of which were trucks, 1 being a container truck.

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i see it ALL THE FUCKING TIME.



....and 99%s: no fucks given.

but when i see it in combination with *bad driving* then it really boils my fucken kumara.



Case in point,

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/88491324/prisoners-in-our-own-home
what she should be taking is a fucking jog. why isn't it legal to shoot fatties yet.
vote akzle.

[jafagsx250]

rbgiafp


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i see it ALL THE FUCKING TIME.



....and 99%s: no fucks given.

but when i see it in combination with *bad driving* then it really boils my fucken kumara.



what she should be taking is a fucking jog. why isn't it legal to shoot fatties yet.
vote akzle.


Because they are easy lays maybe? At least that's what my chubby chaser neighbour tells me.

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[Big Dog]

Because they are easy lays maybe? At least that's what my chubby chaser neighbour tells me.

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It's always somebody's mate...

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[v twin]

what she should be taking is a fucking jog. why isn't it legal to shoot fatties yet.
vote akzle.

Fuck.......its not legal....:whistle::whistle:

[jafagsx250]

It's always somebody's mate...

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Honest g!

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[rastuscat]

vote akzle.

Stand for something. I might vote for you.

But so far you've failed to stand for anything.

[Akzle]

Stand for something. I might vote for you.

But so far you've failed to stand for anything.

i stand for all sorts of shit. sitting down leads to fat-assery.

[trufflebutter]

Stand for something. I might vote for you.

But so far you've failed to stand for anything.

His life's structure will fail to advance any further than a lonely existence on a sub par website, he seems more than comfortable attempting to build a virtual life rather than concentrating on his possible real one.

[GrayWolf]

His life's structure will fail to advance any further than a lonely existence on a sub par website, he seems more than comfortable attempting to build a virtual life rather than concentrating on his possible real one.

nah mate this 'sub par' website IS asskills existence :laugh:

[trufflebutter]

nah mate this 'sub par' website IS asskills existence :laugh:

Duly noted. :blink:

[madbikeboy]

His life's structure will fail to advance any further than a lonely existence on a sub par website, he seems more than comfortable attempting to build a virtual life rather than concentrating on his possible real one.

You're mean. You'll fit into this sub par website fraternity excellently.

[madbikeboy]

The most dangerous thing I've seen on the roads while here? Basically every line of traffic is stuck behind some asian bitch with her face pressed up against the windscreen while texting on her phone while doing 20 kph less than the speed limit. Bikers seem fine, leave them alone.

I hope I ticked all the boxes... Racist. Tick. Sexist. Tick. Hateful. Tick. This misanthrope is happy to have contributed in such a positive way.