Lane splitting surprise.

[sopachrga]

I asked on my facebook page what most people thought of motorbikes lane splitting to get to the front of intersections etc.
Most people were pretty good and expressed they had no issues as long as we weren't going too fast.

But one guy took things to a whole new level saying he would intentionally knock someone off their bike for it. What the hell would convince someone to do this?

Chch people, this is the guy who want to watch out for:
328089

Has anyone ever encountered this on the road?

[Oakie]

I didn't lane split (I don't) but i did use the cycle lane (I do sometimes) to get to the front once at the Dyers Road, Linwood Ave intersection in CH. Guy two lanes over gets out of his car, walks over to me and starts abusing motorcyclists in general. I was in a vulnerable position so didn't provoke him be you can be damned sure I made sure I was two cars in front of him by the time the two lanes merged into one on the other side of the intersection.
And I haven't seen the door opening trick but I have seen a ute deliberatly swerve into the cycle lane to obstruct a wee GN 125 that was using the cycle lane to get past very slow traffic the week after the Feb 2011 earthquake here.

[sopachrga]

Interesting. I've never seen someone actually actively do something about it.
I've had someone beep their horn as I went past (slowly) but that was it.

Interesting thing is, it's not illegal (in most cases)

[v twin]

Not often, but I have had a car try and close the gap while I was creeping through to traffic lights and once on the open road I was making a pass, some guy moved out to push me wide as I went by. Just random dicks, it is becoming more common for car to pull over to help the pass

[pritch]

I have had a driver open a door to prevent me getting past, more than once, but it's rare. Rare but symptomatic of the headcases that abound on our roads.

[sopachrga]

It'd be good to have some clear laws around it so that people know for sure.
I think in most cases, people tend to think it's illegal.

[WNJ]

Interesting. I've never seen someone actually actively do something about it.
)

I have had a door opened on me, ( yes it was on purpose) I stopped in time but while fuckwit had his door open I rode forward into it ( yes on purpose) ( what a c@@t am I ) and bent his door forward on the hinges, needles to say he couldn't close it :lol: then I moved back a bit and continued on my way, :whistle:

[sopachrga]

Haha. Nice work!

[rc_36_rider]

I asked on my facebook page what most people thought of motorbikes lane splitting to get to the front of intersections etc.
Most people were pretty good and expressed they had no issues as long as we weren't going too fast.

But one guy took things to a whole new level saying he would intentionally knock someone off their bike for it. What the hell would convince someone to do this?

Chch people, this is the guy who want to watch out for:
328089

Has anyone ever encountered this on the road?


I believe it is the stress of modern day slavery. The reality of it is you are not harming or hindering the cage driver in any way they are just soo stressed out with the shite that is our reality they cannot handle someone not fitting into their perceived little box. In Hamilton rush hour traffic I have people swerve at me as I pass them stuck in a line of traffic not doing the speed limit more times then I can remember, toot as I go past, move over in stopped traffic at lights to try block my path and just generally be upset that I'm not following them and all the other sheeple in their cages. To hell with them I say, they choose to drive a cage and tow the line and follow the heard... Bugger that!!! Live to ride ride to live! be happy and do what you will that does not harm others and if that means screw the ques then so be it I say!

[rc_36_rider]

I have had a door opened on me, ( yes it was on purpose) I stopped in time but while fuckwit had his door open I rode forward into it ( yes on purpose) ( what a c@@t am I ) and bent his door forward on the hinges, needles to say he couldn't close it :lol: then I moved back a bit and continued on my way, :whistle:

I have not had that one but I would do as you did, make the muppet think twice about doing it again!

[mossy1200]

Think you will find failing to check mirrors for hazards before opening your door is an offence and passing stationary vehicles is not.

[sopachrga]

Think you will find failing to check mirrors for hazards before opening your door is an offence and passing stationary vehicles is not.

Yup, exactly.

[Gremlin]

It'd be good to have some clear laws around it so that people know for sure.
I think in most cases, people tend to think it's illegal.
Be careful what you wish for. Specific laws could easily make it illegal. All scenarios are already covered by existing laws.

As also said, it is an offence to open a door without making sure the way is clear to do so.

[sopachrga]

Yeah valid point.

[trufflebutter]

Could it be, not so much the act that pisses car drivers off, but the speed and subsequent carelessness (in the drivers mind) in which some carry out this biker only advantage. Because lets face it, a lane splitting bike is probably passed a car before the driver even registers it has happened possibly giving the stationary car driver cause for comment.

[Akzle]

1) opening a door so as to cause a hazard to traffic is illegal as fuck.

2) if your "boot isn't closed properly" it's probably able to be classed as an insecure load. also illegal as fuck.

somebody should do something!

[Akzle]

I have had a door opened on me, ( yes it was on purpose) I stopped in time but while fuckwit had his door open I rode forward into it ( yes on purpose) ( what a c@@t am I ) and bent his door forward on the hinges, needles to say he couldn't close it :lol: then I moved back a bit and continued on my way, :whistle:

you could have kept the pace up and probably landed the front wheel on the cunt's nuts...

[Luckylegs]

1)...somebody should do something!

VOTE AKZLE! right?

[Akzle]

VOTE AKZLE! right?

rbgiafp

... now y'all getting it.


(but really, all i'd do, is enable the stasi to do their fucking job in enforcing policy, rather than collecting for the slush-fund.)

[pritch]

Could it be, not so much the act that pisses car drivers off, but the speed and subsequent carelessness (in the drivers mind) in which some carry out this biker only advantage. Because lets face it, a lane splitting bike is probably passed a car before the driver even registers it has happened possibly giving the stationary car driver cause for comment.

Nah. You're giving the twats too much credit. They just hate to see somebody doing better than them. They're stuck and you aren't? Instant hate.

[FJRider]

It'd be good to have some clear laws around it so that people know for sure.
I think in most cases, people tend to think it's illegal.

If you don't know the rules ... be wary if you try to play the game ...

https://www.drivingtests.co.nz/roadcode-questions/motorbike/motorbike-specific-questions/when-in-a-line-of-stopped-or-moving-traf/


Lane splitting or filtering

While you might see other riders lane splitting or 'filtering' this is not a technique that you should use until you are experienced. Lane splitting is where you can ride between vehicles that are moving slowly or are stationary.

A motorcycle may overtake a vehicle on the right within the same lane if it is safe to do so. The traffic must be stationary or slow-moving and the way ahead must be clear. A motorcycle may overtake a vehicle on the left only if that vehicle is stationary or if it is turning right. It must not overtake on the left if the vehicle is turning left.

Therefore when traffic is stationary at the lights you can lane split on either side; if traffic is moving slowly on the motorway then you must only lane split to the right of a lane. Stick within 20kph or so of the speed of the other traffic otherwise you will likely be stopped and charged with careless driving or dangerous driving, both which carry a substantial fine.

You must not ride down the extreme right of the motorway outside the line. Also you must not ride in the hard shoulder unless it's a transit lane.

Remember that as a motorcyclist you can use bus lanes where indicated, and these are likely to be safer than lane splitting because there will be a bigger margin.

Be careful when filtering through traffic that is stationary at traffic lights because pedestrians could be walking between cars.

[sopachrga]

Yes I know those rules by heart!
I was meaning more so car drivers knew that lane splitting was legal to start with. Then worry about the details later.

You ask most car drivers they will say it's illegal as you don't have 100M of clear road throughout the overtaking manoeuvre. (Despite that being an incorrect interpretation of the rules)

[Moi]

... I was meaning more so car drivers knew that lane splitting was legal to start with. Then worry about the details later...

If many drivers have difficulty with

https://static2.stuff.co.nz/1314563099/017/5523017.jpg

and

http://previews.123rf.com/images/jamesharrison/jamesharrison0906/jamesharrison090600087/4971730-Stop-sign-New-Zealand-Stock-Photo.jpg

and

https://atroll.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/img_1435.jpg

How do you expect them to cope with?

http://www.theage.com.au/content/dam/images/g/j/x/g/q/3/image.related.articleLeadwide.620x349.gjxdsr.png/1443515668625.jpg

[nzspokes]

So for him to comment he must be a mate?

[sopachrga]

Sort of... a Facebook "friend" not a real friend. I'm in a band so get lots of randoms adding me on Facebook. I usually just accept them.
He has since been blocked.

[nzspokes]

Sort of... a Facebook "friend" not a real friend. I'm in a band so get lots of randoms adding me on Facebook. I usually just accept them.
He has since been blocked.

I would have kept him as a friend and trolled the shit out of him.

[mossy1200]

Could it be, not so much the act that pisses car drivers off, but the speed and subsequent carelessness (in the drivers mind) in which some carry out this biker only advantage. Because lets face it, a lane splitting bike is probably passed a car before the driver even registers it has happened possibly giving the stationary car driver cause for comment.

+1

Moderation is the key. Watching people split at speed past cars that are already travelling at more than a crawl looks dangerous and often scares people who are unaware your coming. If I see a gap in one of the lanes ahead I assume someone will change lanes into it without indicating and its the lane changer that gets you hurt. We all know riding is risky but sometimes a little common sense increases or chances of survival.

Bus or transit lanes on the left is a big danger when someone not in that lane wants to turn or park and has not seen you because they look quickly for a bus and you have not been spotted.

99.9% of wellington traffic will even give you room to go through. There is always going to a couple that wont or even try prevent you. Watch out for them. You also need calculate the human era and drivers that are not paying any attention(auto pilots and phone zombies). Even if your not in the wrong your still going to get hurt.

Saying that idd be TEMPTED to slow impact that f@#%s door off its hinge limit with 400kg of M109r. Disclaimer ---- "Not intentionally if that actually happened".

[Swoop]

It'd be good to have some clear laws around it so that people know for sure.

The rule is simple. "Deliberate blocking" by tin top = their mirror dangling by wires or sitting on the tarmac.
Top Tip: BMW drivers don't like this and will chase you... (an excellent bit of fun, I might add).

[Dogboy900]

I have heard a lot of people say they would do this, or even one guy claim that a mate of his does it and knocks motorcyclists off "all the time". When I point out that a 200+ Kg motorcycle is going to right royally fuck your door even if it is moving slowly the story usually changes.

People are full of shit most of the time.

Of course I do encounter people moving over to close up the gap when I am filtering almost every time I ride. If you keep an eye out it is not that big a deal, and most overestimate the size of their car and leave enough room to get past anyway, or the person in the lane next to them wonders what the hell they are doing so move over and open the gap.

It is surprising how many non riders do dislike the idea though. I try to be sensible when filtering, keep the speed down, and always acknowledge anybody that moves over to give me a little more room.

[FJRider]

Saying that idd be TEMPTED to slow impact that f@#%s door off its hinge limit with 400kg of M109r. Disclaimer ---- "Not intentionally if that actually happened".

Back in the '80's ... a guy tried that on me on the Hutt motorway near Lower Hutt. He was still rolling about 20 km/hr ... and I was passing about 30 km/hr. He had a stiff southerly behind him as he was heading to Upper Hutt. The wind did some damage as the wind pulled the door out of his hand. But the Suzuki GS1000 flattened the door against his front mudguard. No damage to the bike.

I bet he never tried it again.

[Voltaire]

Nah. You're giving the twats too much credit. They just hate to see somebody doing better than them. They're stuck and you aren't? Instant hate.

Its the downside of driving a ton of metal with 4 seats. On the plus side you can text, update your FB, apply makeup, drink coffee, have a burger and be in air conditioned comfort.

I find on my Highbrook Drive lanesplit ( its chocca after 4:00 PM, that cars and even the other day an articulated truck moved over for me. I do give an wave to show appreciation for such actions.:2thumbsup

[mossy1200]

Back in the '80's ... a guy tried that on me on the Hutt motorway near Lower Hutt. He was still rolling about 20 km/hr ... and I was passing about 30 km/hr. He had a stiff southerly behind him as he was heading to Upper Hutt. The wind did some damage as the wind pulled the door out of his hand. But the Suzuki GS1000 flattened the door against his front mudguard. No damage to the bike.

I bet he never tried it again.

The little limit arm has very small pins on it. Would not be hard to shear those off.

[Moi]

... I find on my Highbrook Drive lanesplit (it's chocca after 4:00 PM) that cars and even the other day an articulated truck moved over for me. I do give an wave to show appreciation for such actions.:2thumbsup

Do it on your Vespa...

and you could imagine you're in Roma...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egC5piol2xQ

[CJR]

I wouldn't be too worried.. If he can't close his boot, he probably cant figure out how to open door either.

I looked him up, did a bit of research. Looks like a twig and plays kids games on his phone/tablet (twitter). And he looks like one of those entitled-jerks that likes to quote legislation to get his way or appear factual (cached posts from multiple sources), instead of holding down a job (linkedin) for more than a few months. I'd wager the chances of him man'ing up to his words would be small, somewhere between his biceps and his IQ.

[Voltaire]

Do it on your Vespa...

and you could imagine you're in Roma...

Embedded link removed to reduce stress levels of over worked moderators :wacko:

So far any time I try any ' fancy maneuver I end up in neutral or miss a gear....friggen twist shifters.

[sopachrga]

I wouldn't be too worried.. If he can't close his boot, he probably cant figure out how to open door either.

I looked him up, did a bit of research. Looks like a twig and plays kids games on his phone/tablet (twitter). And he looks like one of those entitled-jerks that likes to quote legislation to get his way or appear factual (cached posts from multiple sources), instead of holding down a job (linkedin) for more than a few months. I'd wager the chances of him man'ing up to his words would be small, somewhere between his biceps and his IQ.

Oh yeah I can't see him following through with it. Just surprised me how angry some people seem to be with the idea.

[CJR]

Oh yeah I can't see him following through with it. Just surprised me how angry some people seem to be with the idea.

I think it's normal these days, people get mad at what they're unable to understand.

[R650R]

Seen all sorts of nutter struff on roads and all sorts of people using their vehicles as offensive weapons....

Have FB friend who works for Transit NZ... she thinks its fine to impede tailgators or brake chceck them, damn the consequences to other innocent road users because of her actions or a frustrated drivers actions. Now if we've got that atoitude from a law abiding choild raising person.... what hope have we got from real nutters....

[AllanB]

I'm surprised that you are surprised.

It's not some god given right.

I don't ride through town a lot, when I do I am very selective about lane splitting or creeping (as it creeping past a long row of cars on the outside to get to the front).

I've seen some plainly stupid lane splitting by motorcycles while crawling along in my car - activity that pisses me off and I ride! For example the prat with a skull face mask lane splitting and pushing in car mirrors to get through......

[Gremlin]

Have FB friend who works for Transit NZ... she thinks its fine to impede tailgators or brake chceck them, damn the consequences to other innocent road users because of her actions or a frustrated drivers actions. Now if we've got that atoitude from a law abiding choild raising person.... what hope have we got from real nutters....
Here's an interesting one: http://legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2004/0427/latest/DLM303635.html?search=ts_act%40bill%40regulation%4 0deemedreg_road+user_resel_25_a&p=1

So that line of people tailgating each other preventing others from passing... all breaking the rules...

[Akzle]

is this new gay-stalker-cunt shit™ now considered socially acceptable? or normal?

seems like some gay stalkerish cunt shit to me.



I wouldn't be too worried.. If he can't close his boot, he probably cant figure out how to open door either.

I looked him up, did a bit of research. Looks like a twig and plays kids games on his phone/tablet (twitter). And he looks like one of those entitled-jerks that likes to quote legislation to get his way or appear factual (cached posts from multiple sources), instead of holding down a job (linkedin) for more than a few months. I'd wager the chances of him man'ing up to his words would be small, somewhere between his biceps and his IQ.

[CJR]

seems like some gay stalkerish cunt shit to me.

Acquainted with with gay cunt shit are ya?

Acceptable and normal appear to be rather varied terms on these forums mate. All sorts of horses here.

[swbarnett]

We all know riding is risky ...
I wish people would stop saying this. Especially riders. Risk of injury if you have an accident may be higher but when performed with due care and attention the risk of having an accident in the first place is no higher then driving a car.

[Akzle]

Acquainted with with gay cunt shit are ya?

Acceptable and normal appear to be rather varied terms on these forums mate. All sorts of horses here.

but one way and another, YOU feel it's OK to stalk someone like that?

[Akzle]

Seen all sorts of nutter struff on roads and all sorts of people using their vehicles as offensive weapons....

Have FB friend who works for Transit NZ... she thinks its fine to impede tailgators or brake chceck them, damn the consequences to other innocent road users because of her actions or a frustrated drivers actions. Now if we've got that atoitude from a law abiding choild raising person.... what hope have we got from real nutters....

I've been guilty of brake checking twats.

i tend not to engage in behaviours that could be detrimental to my self or others, but sometimes, when I'm in a bigfuckentruck™ and some cunt thinks that being 2 feet off my bumper is a good idea, that their weapon is better at accelerating and braking, i put it to the test. amazing the gap that opens up and how quickly.

but generally i just gtfo the way, i'd rather not be involved in their accident.

[Luckylegs]

I wish people would stop saying this. Especially riders. Risk of injury if you have an accident may be higher but when performed with due care and attention the risk of having an accident in hte first place is no higher then driving a car.

Thats just patently stupid. Riding involves a machine which would happily fall over when you dont actively stop it doing so. I also dont see too many cars highsiding people...

[Onewheelmotion]

All the time. It's like jousting where I'm from in San Francisco CA. On the street. On the freeway. Idk how many size 12 dents I've had to leave in someone's door because they tried to squeeze me out or purposely swerved at me.

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[swbarnett]

Thats just patently stupid. Riding involves a machine which would happily fall over when you dont actively stop it doing so. I also dont see too many cars highsiding people...
Yes, there is risk involved. I'm not denying that. What I'm saying is that there is no more risk for the the skilled rider than in many other activities that are not seen as dangerous.

I don't deny that there's an initial period (that varies from rider to rider) where the risk is higher than it is for novice car drivers. However, once sufficient skill and the correct attitude is obtained the rider is at no more risk of having an accident than the average car driver.

[Swoop]

Have FB friend who works for Transit NZ... she thinks its fine to impede tailgators or brake chceck them
She sounds like another of the cunt-monkeys who drive in the outer lane and refuse to move left. "Self imposed authoritarian" of personal beliefs but not actual laws.

...but sometimes, when I'm in a bigfuckentruck...

Presumably this is your mitsubishi magna?

[jasonu]

She sounds like another of the cunt-monkeys who drive in the outer lane and refuse to move left. "Self imposed authoritarian" of personal beliefs but not actual laws.


Those cunts are known as self appointed speed police.

[mojo1444]

Yes, there is risk involved. I'm not denying that. What I'm saying is that there is no more risk for the the skilled rider than in many other activities that are not seen as dangerous.

I don't deny that there's an initial period (that varies from rider to rider) where the risk is higher than it is for novice car drivers. However, once sufficient skill and the correct attitude is obtained the rider is at no more risk of having an accident than the average car driver.
Hmmm I think no matter how skilled you are the probability of someone else ruining your day is high on a bike than a car.

Believe it just check YouTube with all the crash & fails most are not even a motorcyclist fault... Reminds me of a funny one I saw months ago... Son gets drop off by his mum where his bike was in the parking lot... 20mints later the same Mom runs into her son's bike at the motorway merging section claiming she didn't see him. The young fella got so mad at his mother for trashing his bike.

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[jafagsx250]

I'm surprised that you are surprised.

It's not some god given right.

I don't ride through town a lot, when I do I am very selective about lane splitting or creeping (as it creeping past a long row of cars on the outside to get to the front).

I've seen some plainly stupid lane splitting by motorcycles while crawling along in my car - activity that pisses me off and I ride! For example the prat with a skull face mask lane splitting and pushing in car mirrors to get through......

While that is a dick move it's not as though they can't just reach over and push it back out again if it's on the drivers side. I personally haven't done it though so it's probably going to annoy more than a few car driver's


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[swbarnett]

Hmmm I think no matter how skilled you are the probability of someone else ruining your day is high on a bike than a car.
I'm talking about the probability of having an accident. Not the level of injury that will likely result.


Believe it just check YouTube with all the crash & fails most are not even a motorcyclist fault...
Most of the ones I've seen, while the other party may be technically legally culpable, the rider was also not giving due care and attention to what was going on around them. I ride with the firm knowledge that the only one looking after me is me, whether I'm in the car or on the bike. This has stood me in good stead so far and I don't feel all that vulnerable.

[Berries]

Believe it just check YouTube with all the crash & fails most are not even a motorcyclist fault...
Who in their right mind is going to post video of their own fuck ups?

[caseye]

Who in their right mind is going to post video of their own fuck ups?

Coming to you live from cassina cam!@#$%^Oh My F...ing g...
You had to ask didn't ewe??????????????

[v twin]

Who in their right mind is going to post video of their own fuck ups?

Paris Hilton a kardasian

[Madness]

Who in their right mind is going to post video of their own fuck ups?

Reminded me of this guy... (https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/132965-Progression-of-a-total-motorcycle-noob?)

[eldog]

Coming to you live from cassina cam!@#$%^Oh My F...ing g...
You had to ask didn't ewe??????????????

Cassina Cam. Another KB thread:corn:

from the couch perhaps?

[russd7]

I wish people would stop saying this. Especially riders. Risk of injury if you have an accident may be higher but when performed with due care and attention the risk of having an accident in the first place is no higher then driving a car.

kinda like people saying it is lucky when some one has not binned their bike.

[Berries]

Paris Hilton a kardasian
I'd tap it.

[v twin]

I'd tap it.

True. Same :msn-wink: probably tell everyone before they did to

[skippa1]

Yes, there is risk involved. I'm not denying that. What I'm saying is that there is no more risk for the the skilled rider than in many other activities that are not seen as dangerous.

I don't deny that there's an initial period (that varies from rider to rider) where the risk is higher than it is for novice car drivers. However, once sufficient skill and the correct attitude is obtained the rider is at no more risk of having an accident than the average car driver.
Fucken horse shit

[russd7]

Fucken horse shit

funny you should say that, i was busy reading this thread earlier and my pager went off so i put the laptop down and off i go, i live about 10km from the station, so im clipping along and i come up behind a commodore and this thing is sitting on the centre line so i back off, a car comes round a bend ahead and this fucken commodore started drifting over the centre line, i throw the anchor out and swerve to the left waiting for the carnage, luckily both cars realized what was happening and swerved away from each other and i dropped right back till i got to the turn off to the station.
coulda been a whole lot worse

[swbarnett]

Fucken horse shit
I said the risk is the same for a rider with sufficient skill and the correct attitude. I didn't say it can't happen. That's actually part of the attitude I'm talking about. I don't ride thinking it will never happen to me. Quite the opposite - I ride with the knowledge that it can happen to me so I need to take every reasonable step to mitigate that fact.

And just to re-iterate, I'm talking about the risk of having an accident in the first place, not the concequences should one occur.

[Roark]

Sounds pretty much the same as everywhere I've splitted.

Finnish law neither explicitly allows nor forbids splitting, and in practice it's tolerated but the cops can always fine you for unsafe driving if your ride like a dick. During rush hour traffic crawl on the main ring roads most drivers move over and are happy to let bikes past, but there's always someone who tries to block you. With plenty of lanes getting around them is not an issue.
In Scotland splitting worked a charm, the few times it was required in Edinburgh and Inverness. At the Isle of Man during the TT fortnight bikes had complete run of the place, with ad hoc bike lanes springing up even on regular two-lane roads, with slow lines of cars on the outside and 100+ km/h lines of bikes at the middle. No idea if it was legal, but it was allowed.
Then again in Spain, where splitting is SOP, some cunt decided to open his car door into a scooter splitting in front of me. The girl on the scooter was unhurt, but her scooter got an ugly scrape down the side. The guy in the car tried to grab her, but she escaped. Nobody in the surrounding mass of cars gave a fuck, and as I was on a rental Ducati with stupid expensive insurance deductible, I decided to avoid confronting the angry Spaniard as well.

I reckon splitting is as safe as any kind of riding, provided the speed difference isn't too big and you're not too close to the bike at front. Seen enough rear-end collisions and close calls to not want to put me and my bike between multi-ton mobile Facebook browsing boxes on wheels.

[skippa1]

I said the risk is the same for a rider with sufficient skill and the correct attitude. I didn't say it can't happen. That's actually part of the attitude I'm talking about. I don't ride thinking it will never happen to me. Quite the opposite - I ride with the knowledge that it can happen to me so I need to take every reasonable step to mitigate that fact.

And just to re-iterate, I'm talking about the risk of having an accident in the first place, not the concequences should one occur.
And just to re-iterate, I said

fucken horse shit

[swbarnett]

And just to re-iterate, I said

fucken horse shit
We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I don't know you or your riding style.

I know what happened to you as much as was said on KB. IIRC from what you've said the accident was definitely the other party's fault. What I don't know and wouldn't even presume to comment on is what your mindset was like at the time and whether you could've done anything to prevent it.

[Swoop]

While that is a dick move it's not as though they can't just reach over and push it back out again if it's on the drivers side.

If a rider can reach out to a car driver's mirror, they can easily pull their own mirrors in on their bike first!

[skippa1]

We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I don't know you or your riding style.

I know what happened to you as much as was said on KB. IIRC from what you've said the accident was definitely the other party's fault. What I don't know and wouldn't even presume to comment on is what your mindset was like at the time and whether you could've done anything to prevent it.
My Mindset had 5/8 of fuck all to do with anything

[rastuscat]

Finnish law neither explicitly allows nor forbids splitting, and in practice it's tolerated but the cops can always fine you for unsafe driving if your ride like a dick. .

That's pretty much the situation here too.

[jafagsx250]

If a rider can reach out to a car driver's mirror, they can easily pull their own mirrors in on their bike first!
True. Or even putting theirs back in the right spot

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[awayatc]

True. Or even putting theirs back in the right spot

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You got to be kidding.....

I ride...

And I drive..

I don't touch other peoples vehicles including mirrors

Other people don't touch mine. ..

Not sure how I would react, but it wouldn't be pretty

[pritch]

What I don't know and wouldn't even presume to comment on is what your mindset was like at the time and whether you could've done anything to prevent it.

Enter Katman stage left? :whistle:

[Swoop]

True. Or even putting theirs back in the right spot.
Nope. No need to because you don't touch their mirrors.
Fold your own bike's mirrors all you wish (have done this a few times on my bike while riding) to get through traffic.

[Cosmik de Bris]

Nope. No need to because you don't touch their mirrors.
Fold your own bike's mirrors all you wish (have done this a few times on my bike while riding) to get through traffic.

Damn Panigale!

[pritch]

If a rider can reach out to a car driver's mirror, they can easily pull their own mirrors in on their bike first!

I use CRG Lane Splitters, there's a detent so the mirror just clicks back to the correct adjustment afterward. They aren't cheap but they are better than the cheesy crap on sale here.


This isn't where I bought mine but you'll get the idea.

https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/crg-hindsight-lanesplitter-bar-end-mirror

[jafagsx250]

I use CRG Lane Splitters, there's a detent so the mirror just clicks back to the correct adjustment afterward. They aren't cheap but they are better than the cheesy crap on sale here.


This isn't where I bought mine but you'll get the idea.

https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/crg-hindsight-lanesplitter-bar-end-mirror
I had a set of them on my gsx250. They were quite good. Only issue I had was that after a couple of knocks they needed readjustment. But that only required some fiddling with Allen keys.

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[madbikeboy]

I had a guy with 'roid rage who took offence to my lane splitting; 2009 I think. He actually hit me with his car twice, I had injuries to my leg, and damage to my thou. Long story short, the cops didn't give a fuck, I tried pressing charges and they wouldn't have a bar of it. The guy assaulted me with a car and they "had a chat with him". Apparently, riding motorcycles means I have less rights and no protection. Useless cunts at the North Shore cop shop.

Completely lost faith in the police, left to go overseas and found police forces in Australia and the US to have much more professionalism and common sense.

I've started riding on the road here in NZ again recently, and so far I've had one person have a go. I didn't call police, and I sorted the issue out very diplomatically and successfully with the little bastard.

[rastuscat]

I had a guy with 'roid rage who took offence to my lane splitting; 2009 I think. He actually hit me with his car twice, I had injuries to my leg, and damage to my thou. Long story short, the cops didn't give a fuck, I tried pressing charges and they wouldn't have a bar of it. The guy assaulted me with a car and they "had a chat with him". Apparently, riding motorcycles means I have less rights and no protection. Useless cunts at the North Shore cop shop.

Completely lost faith in the police, left to go overseas and found police forces in Australia and the US to have much more professionalism and common sense.

I've started riding on the road here in NZ again recently, and so far I've had one person have a go. I didn't call police, and I sorted the issue out very diplomatically and successfully with the little bastard.

Wow. Whatever you are doing which causes people to try to hurt you........maybe you want to stop doing it.

Bit of a common theme by the sound of it.

[Scubbo]

I have people close the gap on purpose all the time on the short commute on south-western home in the afternoons --- usually BMW drivers, lots also make room which is nice/get a wave of appreciation

I just take it slow these days though, blow the cobwebs out on the weekends away from people, they can't be trusted, my loss i'm sure? :violin:

[pritch]

Wow. Whatever you are doing which causes people to try to hurt you........maybe you want to stop doing it.

Bit of a common theme by the sound of it.

Not necessarily. There's no psychometric testing component to getting a drivers licence. It's estimated that one in five people suffer from a personality or mental disorder. That means there's a lot of screwball bastards behind the wheel. It's not like you need to make an effort to remember this, you should see constant reminders if you are at all situationally aware. Living in a protective bubble on a cop bike may have minimised the evidence, but you don't have that anymore so the real situation should become apparent soon enough.

[jasonu]

Wow. Whatever you are doing which causes people to try to hurt you........maybe you want to stop doing it.

.

Eh? 2 instances of cunt like behavior from cunts in cars since 2009. I'd say that was pretty good.

[madbikeboy]

Eh? 2 instances of cunt like behavior from cunts in cars since 2009. I'd say that was pretty good.

Yeah, I thought so too.

[madbikeboy]

Wow. Whatever you are doing which causes people to try to hurt you........maybe you want to stop doing it.

Bit of a common theme by the sound of it.

Is this some sort of meek inheriting the earth type thinking? Perhaps with the power of positive thinking no harm will come to me.

But, in the real world, if someone hits me, I hit back.

[awayatc]

Wow. Whatever you are doing which causes people to try to hurt you........maybe you want to stop doing it.

Bit of a common theme by the sound of it.

Sheltered life....

Life in uniform....

Same thing

[Berries]

It's estimated that one in five peope suffer from a personality or mental disorder. That means there's a lot of screwball bastards behind the wheel.
And presumably about the same rate riding bikes?

[awayatc]

And presumably about the same rate riding bikes?

Much higher in some area's. ...

[pritch]

And presumably about the same rate riding bikes?

And some posts on KB suggest they are here too. :whistle:

[trufflebutter]

And some posts on KB suggest they are here too. :whistle:

To be honest though, Rodeos are better suited for horses than motorcycles.

[rastuscat]

Sheltered life....

Life in uniform....

Same thing

A dude came on a course a while back wanting to get expert at emergency braking. Because 2 to 3 times each week he had to slam his brakes on when people pulled out in front if him.

It wasn't a braking problem. Problem was him riding around and not seeing things happening until they turned into an emergency.

If someone feels like the world is picking on them, a look in the mirror is a good place to start.

[nzspokes]

a look in the mirror is a good place to start.

Thats not going to help much if people are pulling out in front of him. :bleh:

[Moi]

That's not going to help much if people are pulling out in front of him. :bleh:

Nah! check the lippie before the kissie... :crazy:

[rastuscat]

Thats not going to help much if people are pulling out in front of him. :bleh:

I'll borrow a little philosophy here.

If you own the problem, you own the solution.

You're right, when someone pulls out in front of you it's their fault. But fault means bugger all when you're lying in the back of an ambulance.

Owning the solution means doing what you can to avoid other folks bad driving. If you keep falling victim to other folks errors, changing your style to a defensive one can fix a lot of that.

Funny how I find that very few crises arise in my riding these days. 40 thousand km this year. Can't recall a single close call, despite seeing a lot of atrocious driving. Quite a bit if risk taking from riders too.

Just my experience since I took ownership of my riding. Continuing to foist blame onto others gives you no control of the situation.

[swbarnett]

I'll borrow a little philosophy here.

If you own the problem, you own the solution.

You're right, when someone pulls out in front of you it's their fault. But fault means bugger all when you're lying in the back of an ambulance.

Owning the solution means doing what you can to avoid other folks bad driving. If you keep falling victim to other folks errors, changing your style to a defensive one can fix a lot of that.

Funny how I find that very few crises arise in my riding these days. 40 thousand km this year. Can't recall a single close call, despite seeing a lot of atrocious driving. Quite a bit if rusk taking from riders too.

Just my experience since I took ownership of my riding. Continuing to foist blame onto others gives you no control of the situation.
While I totally agree with everything above, I think nzspokes was trying to be funny. You know, looking backwards in the bike's mirrors while the danger is in front of you.

[rastuscat]

While I totally agree with everything above, I think nzspokes was trying to be funny.

My bad. Missed that.

[swbarnett]

My bad. Missed that.
My wife did as well when I told her.

[Guided_monkey]

So it appears that the Auckland roading commander is on a 'thing' for lane splitting.

Got pulled by bike cop at Central Junction. Discussion with cop.....fine and demerits. :angry2:

Was being a bit aggressive so all my fault. :facepalm:

Be careful out there.

[Akzle]

Was being a bit aggressive so all my fault. :facepalm:


not at all.

the POLICy Enforcement are there to do just that: enforce policy. they are drones and should act as such, irregardless of your attitude.


which brings to mind the quote:

don't confuse my personality with my attitude. my personality is all mine, my attitude depends on you

personally, i've never had a cop stop me to give me blowies or cash or drugs, so there's a precedent for me not wanting to have anything to do with the cunts.

[madbikeboy]

So it appears that the Auckland roading commander is on a 'thing' for lane splitting.

Got pulled by bike cop at Central Junction. Discussion with cop.....fine and demerits. :angry2:

Was being a bit aggressive so all my fault. :facepalm:

Be careful out there.

I rode past a fine looking blonde policewoman yesterday through the spaghetti carpark. Was lane splitting with my normal finesse and good manners on my ultra-quiet Hayabusa (that's all a joke in case you missed it). Slowed right down. Blew her a kiss. She just laughed and waggled her finger at me.

What does a man have to do to get a fine looking policewoman to stop and ask for his number. I'm just a boy. Standing in front of a girl. Asking her to handcuff me.