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[G4L4XY]

If a motorcycle is listed as say a 2016 however the frame/chassis is actually a 2014 so it took 2yrs to sell from new. Is that legal?

If someone was to buy something as explained above and then find out it's not a 2016 what are their options?

[onearmedbandit]

If a motorcycle is listed as say a 2016 however the frame/chassis is actually a 2014 so it took 2yrs to sell from new. Is that legal?

If someone was to buy something as explained above and then find out it's not a 2016 what are their options?

No it wouldn't be legal, the year of manufacture is misrepresented. Did you buy the bike from a dealer? Was it advertised as a 2016 model or first registered in 2016? If it was sold as a 2016 you'd have recourse through the CGA.

https://www.consumer.org.nz/articles/consumer-guarantees-act

[Mike.Gayner]

If a motorcycle is listed as say a 2016 however the frame/chassis is actually a 2014 so it took 2yrs to sell from new. Is that legal?

If someone was to buy something as explained above and then find out it's not a 2016 what are their options?

I'm not understanding what you're asking. If it was "as explained above" then you knew it was a 2014 first registered in 2016 before buying it? If that's the case, then obviously yes it's legal.

[AllanB]

Hmmmm interesting.

I say the dealer should always notify you if it is a new old stock sale. Suzuki have run their Summer Fest sales for absolute years selling off 'new old stock' in the manner you describe. Generally speaking in their defense there are F-all changes on the model other than colour - ie a 2015 Bussa new, zero kms - five grand under rrp of a '2017' which is the same bike but now in arctic white instead of 2015's pearl white ......

Plus I am aware of dealers who have been caught out in the same manner on trade-ins going by the first rego date not the made date.

Does it matter? Is a born 28 years ago blonde better than a born 30 years ago blonde?

[mossy1200]

Is a born 28 years ago blonde better than a born 30 years ago blonde?

Is the overall condition the same and will they hold their value equally?

[eldog]

Hmmmm interesting.

I say the dealer should always notify you if it is a new old stock sale.

Generally speaking in their defense there are F-all changes on the model

Does it matter? Is a born 28 years ago blonde better than a born 30 years ago blonde?

They don't always notify you, speaking from experience, it pays to know to ask.

maybe F-all changes but it's something the buyer should be made aware of.
leaves a sour taste when you find out, you expect a current year bike and it's not.
esp if it's a few more years older. Thinking about usual rubber parts that are continually deteriorating.

but really doesn't matter usually... go for the younger model, easier to train.

[Cosmik de Bris]

Hmmmm interesting.

I say the dealer should always notify you if it is a new old stock sale. Suzuki have run their Summer Fest sales for absolute years selling off 'new old stock' in the manner you describe. Generally speaking in their defense there are F-all changes on the model other than colour - ie a 2015 Bussa new, zero kms - five grand under rrp of a '2017' which is the same bike but now in arctic while instead of 2015's pearl white ......

Plus I am aware of dealers who have been caught out in the same manner on trade-ins going by the first rego date not the made date.

Does it matter? Is a born 28 years ago blonde better than a born 30 years ago blonde?

It makes a big difference if the new model has better stuff like electronics and motor design etc., like the latest Suzuki and ZX10r, the two year old models might be quite different.

[tigertim20]

If a motorcycle is listed as say a 2016 however the frame/chassis is actually a 2014 so it took 2yrs to sell from new. Is that legal?

If someone was to buy something as explained above and then find out it's not a 2016 what are their options?

you havent given enough information for anyone to tell you the next best step.

Do you own the bike?

Have you owned the bike for a while, and just realised that it is not the year / model you thought it was when you purchased it, and are upset about it?

Have you owned it for a while, and are trying to sell, it, and have had a potential buyer raise the question?

are you wanting to buy the bike?

It happens quite often, say a 2000 model bike sits on the showroom floor, and gets sold brand new, in 2002. The person at the aa or whatever mistakenly enters the year that the bike if first registered, rather than the year of manufacture, easy enough mistake when dealing with a brand new vehicle being registered for the first time.

AS long as when the bike is changing hands, it is advertised clearly, i.e. "this bike is a 2000 model, but is registered as a 2002 model, due to it being sold to its first owner in 2002" then it is fine. Really, something illegal has only happened if it has been knowingly misrepresented.

[eldog]

My experience was that they 'forgot' to mention it during the sale process.

at the time I thought it was a bit underhand.

when I mentioned it the sales person looked slightly embrassed.

if it was explained up front then no worries.

over it now.

[HenryDorsetCase]

If a motorcycle is listed as say a 2016 however the frame/chassis is actually a 2014 so it took 2yrs to sell from new. Is that legal?

If someone was to buy something as explained above and then find out it's not a 2016 what are their options?

So what you are saying is you did no due diligence whatever, and now you're whining. Suck it up. Princess.

What is your loss?

[AllanB]

It makes a big difference if the new model has better stuff like electronics and motor design etc., like the latest Suzuki and ZX10r, the two year old models might be quite different.

In the above case - yes. I was referencing models that change F-all for a couple of years. Example 2005 -2007 Honda hornets - colour changes only, it was interesting to see parts they changed colours on, not just the bodywork. SV1000. GSXR750, Triumph Bonnie. That stuff.

OP will need to be more bike specific.

[neels]

My ducati is a 1998 model, actually built in 1997, registered as a 2000 because as above i assume thats when it was first registered.

No dramas when buying as was advertised as a 98 rego'd in 2000, most people aren't as pedantic as me checking vin numbers, and no difference between years.

Its not that hard to get the vin and figure out what it actually is, before dropping the cash. And I don't mind 12 monthly wofs......

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[AllanB]

Factory frame number plate will generally have the build month and year on it. If not the brake lines have a made date on them but this cannot be relied upon as the brake line date is often a year earlier than bike build date. Logical as they probably order XX thousand of them for their predicted yearly build.

[caspernz]

Need more info from OP.

I've done the "buy old model" thing. Bike made in one year, first registered 2 years after manufacture year.

As for the 28 yr vs 30 yr old blondes, too many variables. Need more info :laugh:

[G4L4XY]

you havent given enough information for anyone to tell you the next best step.

Do you own the bike?

Didn't want to go into too much detail. Basically the ad was for a specific year and in fact the bike is two years older and it wasn't stated "first rego'd"

I'm getting a full refund at their loss. Well my loss as well. Two days travelling there and back. Complete waste of time.

[rastuscat]

My bike was built in 2013. It was first reg in 2014.

People who know the brand know there was a model update in 2014, so know when my bike was made.

It's not a good idea to just rely on registration details. They're only as good as the system which records them.

Some bikes run around on a dealer plate to get them from one year to the next.

[neels]

My bike was built in 2013. It was first reg in 2014.

People who know the brand know there was a model update in 2014, so know when my bike was made.
Same with my bike, frame colour and a few other details changed, so anyone who knows what they're looking at will know what year range it was built.

If all else fails check the VIN number, google is your friend.....

[Banditbandit]

Didn't want to go into too much detail. Basically the ad was for a specific year and in fact the bike is two years older and it wasn't stated "first rego'd"

I'm getting a full refund at their loss. Well my loss as well. Two days travelling there and back. Complete waste of time.

So what are you grizzling about? The waste of time ? Shit - you got a day on the road didn't you?

[G4L4XY]

So what are you grizzling about? The waste of time ? Shit - you got a day on the road didn't you?

The false advertising.

[flashg]

I totally agree.
It's ok for those of us that have been around bikes for years and know what to look for and what questions to ask.
I don't like the way dealers don't advertise a bike for exactly what it is. Seem's a bit sneaky to me. People with no experience will get caught out. Its the sort of thing you'd expect from a car dealer.

[FJRider]

Didn't want to go into too much detail. Basically the ad was for a specific year and in fact the bike is two years older and it wasn't stated "first rego'd"

I'm getting a full refund at their loss. Well my loss as well. Two days travelling there and back. Complete waste of time.

Suzuki introduced a few "New" models over the years ... built from parts unused from previous model lines ... with little difference to previously built models. Often a mix of parts from other models and a different paint job.

People buy the new bikes often sold new at a lower price than earlier models ... without the buyers being aware the parts may have been "Old stock" and built a few years previously. The 79/81 GS1000S models were an example. The RF900 was sold at one stage for $10,000 when earlier/comparable models were sold $15,000 plus ...

But ... on this "issue" you have ... is solely based on YOU not doing your homework first. If you traveled sight unseen/money paid ... to get the bike ... any costs you incurred is your problem. If you were looking for a specific model to buy ... the onus is on you to ensure the model they had was the one you wanted.


Are you actually getting a refund ... or just going to ask for a refund .. ???

[Old Steve]

The Suzuki VZ800/M50 is a case in point. In 2009 or 2010 Suzuki remodelled the M50, it went from an unshrouded headlight and a ducks arse rear mudguard to a shrouded headlight and a wrap around rear mudguard and looked like a little M109 clone.

You'll see a number of 2009 M50s with the unshrouded headlight and a ducks arse rear mudguard advertised as 2010 or later models because they were registered in that year. With a model change as obvious as that, a new owner can lose out on resale value if they aren't aware.

[Mike.Gayner]

The Suzuki VZ800/M50 is a case in point. In 2009 or 2010 Suzuki remodelled the M50, it went from an unshrouded headlight and a ducks arse rear mudguard to a shrouded headlight and a wrap around rear mudguard and looked like a little M109 clone.

You'll see a number of 2009 M50s with the unshrouded headlight and a ducks arse rear mudguard advertised as 2010 or later models because they were registered in that year. With a model change as obvious as that, a new owner can lose out on resale value if they aren't aware.

You see the same thing often, and the biggest problem, as you mentioned, is that you've already lost a year or two of depreciation before you even finalise the deal.

E.g. this "2016" Speed Triple which is actually a 2015 (speaking of which when are they going to do a proper discount on this thing? It's been hanging around for well over 1.5 years and the new model has been out the whole time).

http://www.bayride.co.nz/used-bikes/Triumph-Speed-Triple-94-2016_1120/

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[G4L4XY]

But ... on this "issue" you have ... is solely based on YOU not doing your homework first. If you traveled sight unseen/money paid ... to get the bike ... any costs you incurred is your problem. If you were looking for a specific model to buy ... the onus is on you to ensure the model they had was the one you wanted. Are you actually getting a refund ... or just going to ask for a refund .. ???

One would imagine an "authorized dealership" would know their stuff and not falsely advertise something. I'm getting a refund.